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Speaker 1: Welcome Texans. Mark Vandermere and John Harris with you. The

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Speaker 1: show begins. It's a holiday program Juneteenth. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people have time off, a lot of people don't. So

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Speaker 1: we appreciate those who are working today to make life

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Speaker 1: great for everybody else and themselves too. Because I think

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Speaker 1: you're earning a nice check. I hope you are. I

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Speaker 1: hope it's time and a half or whatever. Holidays warrant.

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Speaker 1: Who knows I might have started something with some people

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Should I be all right? I'll just

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Speaker 1: start over. Welcome everybody, Okay. John McClain joins us tonight.

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Speaker 1: The General is with us after a week off. But

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Speaker 1: you were very much on General. So you made your trip,

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Speaker 1: and I want to hear about this first holiday show.

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Speaker 1: We have some time to get into this. You made

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Speaker 1: your trip to the Florida Keys to meet with Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Johnson regarding your documentary, How did it go? Tell us

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Speaker 1: about the experience. Good evening.

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Speaker 2: It couldn't have been better. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Mark Burn's a director, and I drove to the producers,

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Speaker 2: Rob Lanch and Scott Nethery flew and then I flew

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Speaker 2: back and Jimmy could not have been more accommodating. He

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Speaker 2: has a bar restaurant sports bar restaurant called the Big

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Speaker 2: Chill in Key Largo. He lives south of that And

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Speaker 2: when we first contacted him, and the reason we wanted

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Speaker 2: Jimmy was nineteen sixty in the semi finals of the

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Speaker 2: state for a playoffs port Arthur Jefferson went up against

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Speaker 2: Corpus Christy Miller. Miller beat him six to zero, and

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Speaker 2: first integrated state championship in Texas high school history. And

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Speaker 2: the head coach, Pete Regas, who we interviewed, love him.

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Speaker 2: He told us Jimmy Johnson was the best player they

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Speaker 2: and they scored one touchdown on a reverse by Johnny Rowland,

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Speaker 2: who spent thirty five years in the NFL as a

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Speaker 2: running back and as a coach. So we thought we

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Speaker 2: talked to Jimmy, and we did. We talked to him

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Speaker 2: He said, you know when we used to play. I

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Speaker 2: of course, he was very honest about you know, how

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Speaker 2: But he was terrific, and I know he had a

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Speaker 2: blast because he told us, he said, when this guy,

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Speaker 2: when this comes out, you guys let me know because

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Speaker 2: I want to help you promote it. And we said,

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Speaker 2: got a lot of friends who could tweet it and

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Speaker 2: it was funny. His sports bar there, one of the

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Speaker 2: women that's worked for him for a long time was

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Speaker 2: talking about the biggest crowds they get or when the

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Speaker 2: Panthers play, and of course Florida Panthers just won their

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Speaker 2: second consecutive Stanley Cup and on our career, we talked about, man,

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Speaker 2: it would have been fun to be there and watch

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Speaker 2: them celebrate that championship. But the thing about Jimmy is,

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Speaker 2: you know, you retired from Fox after last season. He'd

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Speaker 2: done it thirty one years and so now he doesn't

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Speaker 3: General, what's the release date or do you have a

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Speaker 3: release date for the documentary? And way of asking this,

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Speaker 3: but as you continue to uncover more and more stories,

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Speaker 2: We're hoping to have everything finished and ready to go

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Speaker 2: and hoping it will premiere at south By Southwest Film

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Speaker 2: so many members of the Pro Football of Fame who

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Speaker 2: Their books like the Definitive pv IL book, Michael Hurd

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Speaker 2: makes you sick to your stomach when you see what

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Speaker 1: Wow. Can't wait to see this next spring. Looking forward

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Speaker 1: to it. John McLean joining us and the visit with

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson brings up this question. Is Jimmy Johnson properly rated?

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Speaker 1: So we have overrated, underrated, properly rated? As an NFL

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Speaker 1: Marv Levy and Bud Grant do not? But somehow that

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Speaker 1: happens in life. But tell me about Jimmy Johnson, your

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you a story. Wade Phill had a roast

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Speaker 2: I told him he's gonna get in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: And he told me what And he said he didn't

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Speaker 2: the players he drafted he traded for. All of them

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Speaker 2: And so I told him, because of the decisions he

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Speaker 1: making trades, draft picks, et cetera. We talk about the

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson draft trade chart. So if Jerry was the

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Speaker 1: How instrumental was Jerry Jones in the construction of the

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Speaker 2: Well, the way that worked out, Jimmy had in his

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Speaker 2: And I'm guessing if Jerry had still been satisfied with

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Speaker 2: no time, he's super bowls they could have won even

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Speaker 2: had a way of They did a great job coaching.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Barry Switzer is the first to tell you, you know,

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Speaker 2: with them. He always gave Jimmy credit for that, so

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Speaker 2: I he could I don't know how long you would

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Speaker 1: I always gave him credit for what he did with

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins too. He put together a really good defense

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Speaker 1: built a hell of a team. They just couldn't replace

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Speaker 3: You don't say finding your quarterback is very difficult in

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Speaker 1: But they went to the playoffs all the time. They

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Speaker 1: He did a good job Miami, which made me think

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Speaker 1: about this. As we were talking about this last night,

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Speaker 1: we were watching a show on Netflix. I won't tell

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders and at one point, somebody says Jerry

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Speaker 3: Speaking of quarterbacks general I don't know that we've talked

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Speaker 2: Well, they won ten games last year, didn't they. I

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Speaker 2: But I do not see them being a Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: The Texans played the entire AFC West and we're all

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Speaker 2: You would have to say the Broncos because they had

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Speaker 2: So I would say them, you know, it's hard for

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Speaker 1: I think what's fascinating.

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Speaker 3: We talked about this for a while, and part of

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Speaker 3: it is because of the quarterbacks in the AFC, But

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Speaker 3: we talk about what a gauntlet the AFC is, right,

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Speaker 1: And yet we talk about how great the AFC is.

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Speaker 3: Was that good that somebody would knock off the damn Chiefs?

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Speaker 3: it's like, oh, the AFC is a gauntlet. O. Chiefs

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Speaker 3: people have been put out lists, and it's mind blowing

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Speaker 3: in some sense to see Justin Herbert ranked so high,

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Speaker 3: three lousy halves of playoff football. And yet he's consistently

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Speaker 3: start ranking the quarterbacks. So I'll ask you and Mark

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm taking Justin just Well, boy, that's a tough one,

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Speaker 1: Okay. I that's a tough one, Shoe, Yeah, it is tough.

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Speaker 1: And that's a really difficult one. Great question. I can

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Speaker 2: That was the forty nine ers, wasn't.

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Speaker 1: learned from it, of course, general a lot of talk

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Speaker 1: and I guess it's anybody's guess where it's really ultimately

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Speaker 2: Let me say Charlie casually did not want to practice

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Speaker 1: Hey, you said, we're still once a year. That's another

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Speaker 2: No, he didn't come to practice. He would come to

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Speaker 2: One time he came and he was so proud of

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Speaker 1: Pith helmet with a fan in it sounds like a

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Speaker 3: Hey, General, yesterday, earlier in the day, and I said yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Values on First John on Jacksonville in the Rays, they

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Speaker 2: That guy's gonna have to come up find a stadium,

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Speaker 2: the Lakers. The Cowboys are the most valuable franchise in

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Speaker 2: Jeannie Bust and her family retained seventeen percent, and I

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Speaker 2: Dolan is ever going to sell or leave it to

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Speaker 2: his family. And it's the NFL has a rule no

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Speaker 2: foreign ownership, NBA and Baseball does not, So at some point,

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Speaker 2: you know, say the saudis called up an owner and

436
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Speaker 2: said we'll give you fifty billion for your franchise. All

437
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, the NFL is going to be rewriting

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Speaker 2: that by law so you can get foreign investment, because

439
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Speaker 2: there's no end to where it goes. I think everybody

440
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Speaker 2: is shocked by the ten billion figure, and every NFL

441
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Speaker 2: owner has got to be rubbing his hands together and

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Speaker 2: lee over that deal.

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Speaker 1: For the Lakers, why did the previous owners of the

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Speaker 1: race call up the Saudis and say, hey, you know what,

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Speaker 1: all these live golfers, nobody cares get a Major League

446
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Speaker 1: Baseball franchise. All you have to do is park a

447
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Speaker 1: couple of billions here for a stadium and you're good

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Speaker 1: to go.

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Speaker 2: How that would have been a very smart thing to

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Speaker 2: do if they wanted a franchise in Tampa or Saint Pete.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's no other market. Obviously, Vegas will have

452
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Speaker 1: the A's. I don't think you can go anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: You can't do baseball in San Antonio, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's not gonna work.

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Speaker 2: They're talking about the next the Nashville and nash Charlotte, Yes,

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Speaker 2: would be the next two franchises, and they're prepared. They

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Speaker 2: have a baseball group in Nashville for the last three

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Speaker 2: years to have everything ready to go for when baseball expans.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I can't wait to see how all this stuff

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Speaker 1: shakes out. And I also can't wait to see where

461
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Speaker 1: the practice facility is going to be. News should come

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Speaker 1: out soon, well allegedly soon. Yeah, this will be really interesting,

463
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Speaker 1: really interesting to see how the Texans handle this one,

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Speaker 1: how it's handled with the Texans and their partners, and

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Speaker 1: what ultimately transpires. All right, general, we're in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the desert, and we asked Jonathan this, We asked

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Speaker 1: john this. I answer the question, how you feeling? How

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Speaker 1: you feeling about the season? We're done with many camp.

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Speaker 1: It's in the rear view mirror. We got a long

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Speaker 1: way to go till training camp. But it's going to

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Speaker 1: happen before you know it. And when everyone's asking you

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Speaker 1: how are you feeling about the Texans, you answer the question.

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Speaker 2: Go People ask me that every day and I say,

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Speaker 2: I can't wait for training camp. I wish it was tomorrow.

475
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Speaker 2: And they have a super Bowl caliber defense, and until

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Speaker 2: they figure out the offensive line, they won't have a

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Speaker 2: super Bowl caliber offense. I've got a lot of confidence

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Speaker 2: in the wide receivers. I think they should run away

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Speaker 2: with the AFC South again. Don't think anybody's even close

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Speaker 2: to them. I think they'll hope that they I don't

481
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Speaker 2: think they'll get a bye, but they'll win a first

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Speaker 2: round game. And the thing I want to see, and

483
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Speaker 2: I know you guys do too, is for the first

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Speaker 2: time since the franchise was born, get beyond the divisional

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Speaker 2: round of the playoffs, hopefully hosting an AFC championship game here.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think the Texans are up there with

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Speaker 2: Baltimore and Buffalo and Kansas City yet. It may take

488
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Speaker 2: another off season, but there's certainly good enough to run

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Speaker 2: away with AFC South. And if you do that in

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Speaker 2: the offensive line is even just mediocre, it'll be such

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Speaker 2: an improvement over last season.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff general, as always, thanks so much for being

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys very much for having me on this

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Speaker 2: lovely Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: All right, coming up, we'll do a who's Better with coaches.

497
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Speaker 1: Johnny is going to be on the spot, so we'll

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Speaker 1: find out what he has to say about the questions

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Speaker 1: I throw at him, and you can play along at home.

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Speaker 1: It's Texans Radio. Great to have you along for the

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Speaker 1: ride here Texans Radio. Mark Vandermere and John Harris with

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Speaker 1: you as we count down the days to training camp. There,

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Speaker 1: I am, do we get Johnny? Yeah, I told you

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Speaker 1: yesterday I said, don't do that, but I'm doing it

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Speaker 1: now because we're over a month. But it's gonna dial

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Speaker 1: down pretty quickly.

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Speaker 3: Hey, we saw the news yesterday that both rookies and

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Speaker 3: vet's going to report on July twenty second. Now, I

509
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Speaker 3: don't know what that means as far as dates yet.

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Speaker 1: Of training camp, but if they're reporting on a twenty second,

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Speaker 1: if that's official. Yeah, yeah, the NFL reported that yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I think you practiced the day after your report to

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Speaker 1: start practicing. Now practice as we saw last year, these

514
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Speaker 1: days it's different. It's an abbreviated ramp up practice the

515
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Speaker 1: first two to three days, and then you get the

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Speaker 1: real heavy stuff. So I think they'll stick their feet

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Speaker 1: in the water, their toes, maybe more than the toe,

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Speaker 1: the feet up to the ankle, maybe the knees, and

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Speaker 1: then they'll get it going in pads four or five

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Speaker 1: days in right, that's what they've done the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years.

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Speaker 3: Like everybody, Oh, you got to have I think the

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Speaker 3: rule is three day you have to have three days.

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Speaker 3: But I think I remember correctly. The last couple of years,

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Speaker 3: we think pads are coming on day four.

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Speaker 1: They don't. Yeah, it's day five.

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Speaker 3: So they go a full four days in out of

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Speaker 3: pads and then put the pads on day five, if

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Speaker 3: I remember correctly. So we'll see, we'll see what the

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Speaker 3: what the case is, just got to get this get

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Speaker 3: this team ready and stay healthy. We just there's a

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Speaker 3: document that our preseason TV crew has got going around

533
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Speaker 3: Dave Keeney, our producer, with Kevin and d and myself

534
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Speaker 3: and then Shelby Coppage and it's like, hey, put in

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Speaker 3: all the storylines, and so David fed it with a

536
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Speaker 3: bunch of storylines.

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Speaker 1: So I'm looking at.

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Speaker 3: All of them like, oh man, it's getting me excited,

539
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: so excited about the season, so excited about the preseason

540
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Speaker 3: games and just seeing these guys and pads, seeing how

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Speaker 3: the offensive line comes together, how it gels. I think

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Speaker 3: one of the biggest pieces Mark that I have been

543
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Speaker 3: really excited about just hearing a lot guys and six

544
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Speaker 3: been playing the sound of Titus Howard talking about the

545
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Speaker 3: offensive line and moving over to guard and you know,

546
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Speaker 3: what I said at the end of last year. I

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Speaker 3: think I think he played really well at guard, Like

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Speaker 3: I think he can be a very good guard. But

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Speaker 3: I think to be able to do that, I think

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Speaker 3: you had he has to make the step of accepting

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Speaker 3: that that role, and it feels like he's more accepting

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Speaker 3: of it now than ever before.

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Speaker 1: And I think if that is one thing, because.

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Speaker 3: We got tackle bodies for days seemingly now obviously, get

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Speaker 3: a guy hurt here and a guy tweaks a hamstring there,

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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, Okay, that depth can go

557
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: up and smoke it a little bit, but you feel

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Speaker 3: like you got a lot of tackle bodies, and those

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Speaker 3: the tackle positions will end up getting filled and I

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Speaker 3: think ably filled.

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Speaker 1: But if you can just lock in one of those

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Speaker 1: guard spots right now, Titus at right guard, seemingly, if

563
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Speaker 1: you could just lock in that right guard spot and

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Speaker 1: just go, yeah, we know that's going to be a

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Speaker 1: good spot for us because Titus is there and Titus

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Speaker 1: is going to play well. Just think about how that

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Speaker 1: changes everything on the offensive line.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, knowing that's going to happen at that guard spot

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Speaker 3: where you struggled.

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Speaker 1: The last few years, Well, you know he's gonna play

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Speaker 1: one of them, Ronald Yeah. Yeah, and they've got enough

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Speaker 1: guys to fill in. I hate to use that term,

573
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Speaker 1: but to play tackle. Blake Fisher, right, he can play

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Speaker 1: right tackle, Cam Robinson Earth. We got a lot of

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Speaker 1: reps and the OTA sessions. Now these are without pads, obviously,

576
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Speaker 1: but good to see a rookie out there getting a

577
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Speaker 1: lot of business in the OTA time of year with

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Speaker 1: Mini camp. All right, let's do this who's Better Coaches version?

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, we're not going to mention every coach in

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Speaker 1: NFL history. It's funny because I stumbled on this list

581
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: and this could really sidetrack us. But oh no, I won't.

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Speaker 1: I won't spend too much time. ESPN ranks the top

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Speaker 1: twenty coaches of all time, and it's nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with in the NFL. Yes, with the victory lists that

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Speaker 1: I don't include college on these lists. I know college

586
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: coaches are great. There's so many great college coaches. However,

587
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: when you can go out and just get guys, yeah

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00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: I need a left tackle, get me three of them,

589
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, get me four quarterbacks. I know it's different

590
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: now with nil it's a lot harder than it was. Sure,

591
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: but when you can go do that, when you choose,

592
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: it's a different landscape. It's almost a different sport that way,

593
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: when you can just go get players to fortify your

594
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: roster as opposed to the NFL. Well, you can get

595
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: guys too in free agency, but your limited salary cap.

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Speaker 1: You all know how it works. I don't have to

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Speaker 1: explain this to you. Vince Lombardi's their number one, Bill

598
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Speaker 1: Walsh number two, Don Shula number three. So this list

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Speaker 1: is NFL coaches, NFL coaches. Okay, yeah, oh we can

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Speaker 1: so Vince won, Vince one, which is great, all right,

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Speaker 1: Good for Vince Lombard. Bill Walsh because he was such

602
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: a patriarch of the offensive side of the football, that

603
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: innovation and then taking that and winning with it. He

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Speaker 1: wrote that book, the book that all the coaches read,

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Speaker 1: The coach. Yeah, they all love it. Paul Brown was six,

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Speaker 1: but who'd you say was three? Don Schula, he's the

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Speaker 1: whole time winner. Okay, yeah. Belichick Belichick seven, Yeah, I know, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I bet I understand, I bet I can write that paragraph.

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Speaker 3: We put Bill Belichick at number seven because we feel

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Speaker 3: like his success was predicated on Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: More so than maybe Belichick as a coach. I bet

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. Yeah, probably because before him he

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Speaker 1: has the three that I mentioned. Then George hallis Chuck Nole.

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Speaker 1: I don't put Chuck Nolle in front of Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 1: no way, know how, no day of the week. All

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Speaker 1: these guys are excellent. Okay, so nobody sucks, but Belichick

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Speaker 1: deserves to be in front of Chuck Noll. Paul Brown,

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Speaker 1: I get it because he won championships in that other

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Speaker 1: league before joining the NFL. He was great in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: He was he was an offensive patriarch. He was the

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Speaker 1: Bill Walsh of the forties and fifties. Yeah, Bill Walsh

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Speaker 1: coached under him and got a lot of stuff for him.

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Speaker 1: So I might put Paul Brown higher. I'm not go Lombardi,

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Speaker 1: Paul Brown, Bill Walsh. Yeah, maybe I think Paul Brown.

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Speaker 1: You know he'd begat Yeah, Bill Walsh, Yes, So maybe

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Speaker 1: he put him in front. Landry is eighth on this list.

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Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs ninth. Joe Gibbs is an underrated underrated completely

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Speaker 1: on these lists, my god, completely under They go back

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Speaker 1: to Curly Lambeau. I can't. Yeah, it's such a different era.

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Speaker 1: He's great founded the Green Bay Packers, coach them, he

631
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Speaker 1: and George Hallis. It's like they deserve their own category. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's tough to put them in there.

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Speaker 3: I mean modern modern football relatively speaking, and those eras

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Speaker 3: that they were coaching in.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the.

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Speaker 3: Forward pass was still i would say in its infantile stages,

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Speaker 3: but it still was in its infantile stages.

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Speaker 1: Really, But to me on that, on that list, I

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Speaker 1: feel like.

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Speaker 3: Asking the question the right way of asking this, what

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Speaker 3: did you bring from an innovation standpoint to the game.

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Speaker 1: How did you change the game? How did you change

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Speaker 1: the game?

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Speaker 3: And I think about Joe Gibbs and Joe Gibbs with

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Speaker 3: the artists formerly noticed the Redskins. He won super Bowls

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Speaker 3: with three different quarterbacks, first of all art styles. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like Chuck Nol went everyone with the with Terry Bradshaw,

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Speaker 3: you have the same team, right, But Chuck Chuck Noll

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Speaker 3: also incorporated and obviously had defensive coordinators that ran a

650
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Speaker 3: different type of defensive system that his guys were were

651
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Speaker 3: great with. But Paul Brown basically invented watching film. He

652
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Speaker 3: invented the coach comp system in a helmet, you know,

653
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Speaker 3: he won with with Jim Brown, and then Jim retires

654
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Speaker 3: and they Graham Otto Graham. He wins with automatic auto.

655
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Speaker 3: He has, you know, his guards, Chuck don Shula, I

656
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Speaker 3: think being one of them running plays in and out

657
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Speaker 3: of the huddle. Maybe Chuck Nole running plays in and

658
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Speaker 3: out of the huddle. Joe Gibbs when he's with the Redskins,

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Speaker 3: he invents the one back offense because he couldn't block

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Speaker 3: Lawrence Taylor. Now, sometimes some of these innovations are born

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Speaker 3: out of we got to figure that out.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's necessity. Necessity is the mother of invention, right,

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Speaker 1: and so, but he still he came up with the

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Speaker 1: one back offense. Yeah, good for him. And he also

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Speaker 1: coached under Don Coriel, who was an offensive innovator. Right,

666
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Speaker 1: So there's some stuff there. Now. Parcels is eleventh on

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Speaker 1: this list. I'll read you the rest of the names.

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Speaker 1: You tell me if any one of these guys deserves

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Speaker 1: to be ahead of Parcels. Parcells, who won two Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls with the Giants, turned around multiple franchises. I give

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Speaker 1: him a lot of credit for turning around the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: the Jets, Jets, the Cowboys. I mean, he really brought

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Speaker 1: each of those three from the dull drums, from the

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Speaker 1: abyss to the postseason. All right, John Madden, I think

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Speaker 1: Parcells is in front of him. Yes, Chrs. Johnson is

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Speaker 1: a tough one. I mean, he built the new Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: I think what you said about Parcels, though, is the

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Speaker 3: fact that Parcells did it in a number of different locations.

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Speaker 1: Now we talked about we talked about Jimmy Johnson and Jimmy.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy did a decent job with Miami. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy built that thing.

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Speaker 3: In Dallas, but you could say Parcels built the thing

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Speaker 3: in New York.

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Speaker 1: He was almost fired and Cardinals with two different quarterback,

685
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Speaker 1: which you're right, you kind of get a plus for that.

686
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Speaker 1: And you know, again, everybody's put Jimmy in front of Madden. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you'd put Jimmy. Put Jimmy in front of Masters. One

688
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Speaker 1: super Bowl, Tom Coughlin, I'm not putting in front of Parcels. No,

689
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Speaker 1: He's got two Super Bowl wins, he built the Jags.

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Speaker 1: Two AFC Championship Game appearance is very nice.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad to have him ranked on this because I

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Speaker 3: think Coughlin is he goes to that underrated stage. Joe

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Speaker 3: Gibbs too left off a lot of times, because when

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Speaker 3: you think about Tom Kauflin, it's the first thing you're

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Speaker 3: thinking about. Fifteen minutes early is not on time?

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Speaker 1: Is on time? On time is fifteen minutes late time?

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Speaker 1: You know. So you think about those kind of things

698
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: with Coaughlin and you forget. Damn he had two runs

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Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl with the Giants after almost nearly

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Speaker 1: getting fired in two thousand and seven. They turned that

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Speaker 1: thing around. He wins two super Bowls with that organization,

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Speaker 1: so I think it's awful for good.

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Speaker 3: And then what he did with the Jaguars, you know,

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Speaker 3: building that from scratch essentially. So I'm glad Coughlin's mentioned that,

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Speaker 3: But I can't put in front of parcels.

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Speaker 1: But Grant Hankstram, he might deserve to be higher on

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Speaker 1: this list. Marv Levy Grant Levy each lost four Super Bowls,

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Speaker 1: but they got there. They're awesome. Sid Gilman, Sid Gilman

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Speaker 1: who coached the Oilers for a bit, Yeah, coach the

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Speaker 1: Chargers back in the day.

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Speaker 3: That's more the AFL kind of innovation, like bringing the

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Speaker 3: passing game in vogue, you know at Lance allwork.

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Speaker 1: John Haden was a quarterback. They were doing Dog Coriel

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Speaker 1: like things out in San Diego with that group before

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Speaker 1: Coriel really made it famous. Yeah, this list does not

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Speaker 1: include anybody who's active. Let me check. So I guess

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Speaker 1: these are inactive guys. You know. I think that's their angle,

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Speaker 1: because who could you include. I mean, obviously Belichick is

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Speaker 1: now inactive. As far as the NFL goes, Mike Shanahan's

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Speaker 1: on the list. Wow. Oh, two super Bowl wins went

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Speaker 1: to three others, very different teams, same quarterback. Tony Dungee

722
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Speaker 1: wins one super Bowl doesn't even go to the other

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Speaker 1: because that was Jim Caldwell with the Colts. He built

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Speaker 1: the Bucks out of nothing. I mean, John McKay did

725
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: nice things with them, but then they submerge and he

726
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Speaker 1: brings them back. So that's good. He's the twentieth guy

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Speaker 1: in the list. Anyway, that's their top twenty list. But

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Speaker 1: I want to go to some current guys, Johnny, and

729
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Speaker 1: we're gonna settle this once and for all. Who's better Boo,

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll or John Harbaugh? Who's better? Pete Carroll? Now,

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Speaker 1: hear me out, hear me out, can make a case

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Speaker 1: for both. John Harball has had Lamar Jackson and he's

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Speaker 1: had the top seed twice yep, and he's got one

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Speaker 1: playoff win combined. The both times he's had the top

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Speaker 1: seed with Lamar Jackson, he got off to a great start.

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Speaker 1: Joe Flackow and he five consecutive playoff appearances, a playoff

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Speaker 1: win in each of those appearances, wins the super Bowl

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Speaker 1: in twenty twelve. Since the Super Bowl win in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 1: he's got four playoff wins total. He's got Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: and he hasn't been able to get back to the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl. So all of these guys have flaws. Pete

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Speaker 1: Carroll has eight playoff victories since he won the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Think about that. Since he won the Super Bowl. You

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Speaker 1: and I talk about Seattle a lot, how they're very

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Speaker 1: overlooked franchise, and I think this plays into that. Now.

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Speaker 1: I know the last five six years weren't as good,

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Speaker 1: but they were still competitive, still making the postseason, and

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Speaker 1: they were nine to eight when he got shown the

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Speaker 1: door in Seattle. How about that? Who's better?

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Speaker 3: Here's the other thing too, about Pete Carroll and our

751
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 3: buddy Teddy Johnson would remind US. Carrol was fired in

752
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Speaker 3: both New York and New England before he got it

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Speaker 3: going at USC, which then.

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Speaker 1: Brought him back to Seattle at USC. So there's a

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Speaker 1: part of me that just thinks, Okay, look at Seattle,

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, look at Ravens, John Harbaugh. I mean, both

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Speaker 1: of them. Man, it's tough one, isn't it. At Calton

758
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Speaker 1: it's a very very good one. I think Carol does

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Speaker 1: not get enough credit. I think that's my an.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna end up going with Harbaugh and I but

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Speaker 3: I mean that's picking niche right there, because there are

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Speaker 3: things I like about Carol, but I think it's gonna

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Speaker 3: sound weird. I think pekeets a little stubborn sometimes about

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Speaker 3: how he does things, which I know a lot of

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Speaker 3: great coaches do. I think that John Harbaugh is a

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Speaker 3: little bit more meliable. Like I remember, ironically, it's the

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Speaker 3: game in twenty nineteen out in Seattle against Carol's team

768
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Speaker 3: where it's fourth and something. It's kind of raining, kind

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Speaker 3: of miserable, and they were gonna kick a field goal and.

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Speaker 1: Lamar got mad.

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Speaker 3: Mars Storm starts to storm off the field, and Harball

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Speaker 3: looks at him and was like you want to go

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Speaker 3: for this to He's like bleep, yeah, and he grab

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Speaker 3: grabs him as he goes by. He goes, Okay, we're

775
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Speaker 3: going for this. Put him back out on the field.

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Speaker 3: Lamar Randall zone reed, ran in the end zone.

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Speaker 1: They win it again.

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Speaker 3: I think that John Harbaugh's is a little bit more adaptable. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And I think that's why I would give him a

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Speaker 3: little bit of the edge. You get a Super Bowl

781
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: from John Harbaugh, it goes way over the edge. But

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Speaker 3: I think that's the one thing I'll give him a

783
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Speaker 3: little bit more credit. Thing Pete can be a little stubborn.

784
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Speaker 3: I think John's a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit more adaptable with things He's adapted with He's adapted

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Speaker 1: with Lamar as his quarterback, who is not the.

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Speaker 3: Traditional pocket guy, right. I mean, Pete did that with

788
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Speaker 3: Russell Wilson. But I'm gonna give it to Harball just

789
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Speaker 3: just barely, just barely.

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Speaker 1: Everybody who coaches in the AFC in this era has

791
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Speaker 1: had to deal with Belichick and now Andy Reid in

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, so that's been tough. Harball has had to

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Speaker 1: go through the Patriots. It's kind of like what I

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Speaker 1: say about the Rockets having to go through Golden State.

795
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Speaker 1: You know, I mean really difficult, right, So that makes

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Speaker 1: it hurt. And now you've got Kansas City to deal with.

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Speaker 1: Now you're not as good as them. But it is

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Speaker 1: what it is, right, Irony doesn't mean you're bad. Irony

799
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Speaker 1: is for the Ravens, though the Chiefs only beat them

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Speaker 1: once in the playoffs when you're time. But I still

801
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: think when you're two years it was the bill, the

802
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Speaker 1: top seed status, stuff like that, Patriots, all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: All right, who's better? Sean Payton? O't boy, we're running

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Speaker 1: out of show. Sean Payton or Mike Tomlin. Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton, hang on, let me just paint the picture here.

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Speaker 1: I know you're just winning the super Bowl. He's won

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Speaker 1: five playoff games, all in New Orleans. Since winning the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, he's had some losing seasons mixed in there

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Speaker 1: with That's right, three years that they went to the

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Speaker 1: Green Barer. Three straight losing seasons. Exactly. We know that

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Speaker 1: because it's just so easy for us. Tomlin's only won

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Speaker 1: three playoff games in the last what ten to twelve years? Yes,

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Speaker 1: so there's that. However, Tomlin goes to the playoffs with

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Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett. He goes to the playoffs with the exhumed

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Speaker 1: body of Russell Wilson, who Peyton could not get to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs with. But I know he was just getting

817
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: started in Denver at me on this and last year

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Speaker 1: Peyton coached up bow Nicks. I think they're very similar.

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Speaker 1: I think all these guys have a lot of similarity.

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Speaker 1: Very all want super Bowls a long time ago. They

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Speaker 1: all in some ways get more credit than they deserve.

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Speaker 1: In other ways, maybe we're not appreciating them enough.

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Speaker 3: I am not answering quickly because oh, it's definitive this

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Speaker 3: guy with that guy. I'm answering because dead radio is

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Speaker 3: the worst thing that can be in your ears as

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Speaker 3: a radio guy. You I hate dead radio. So this

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Speaker 3: is they're going hm hm huh. So I'm picking. But

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Speaker 3: what stands out As soon as you said that, the

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Speaker 3: first thing that stood out to me was Peyton took

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Speaker 3: over a Broncos team that was miserable. Yeah, and in

831
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three he didn't get him into playoffs, but

832
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Speaker 3: they want some games.

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Speaker 1: You look around and go, okay.

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Speaker 3: The next year they take a rookie, he takes a

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Speaker 3: rookie quarterback. They get in the playoffs. Now they don't win,

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Speaker 3: but they get in the playoff.

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Speaker 1: Rookie quarterback that a lot of people did not have

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Speaker 1: a lot of fakes. I feel like Tomlin lately, it's

839
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Speaker 1: been underachievements. But he's good. He's good. Oh I would

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Speaker 1: I love me by Tomlin? Yeah? But why are they

841
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Speaker 1: not more successful? Instory? They have not been able to

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00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: replace the quarterback. It's kind of like what we talked

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Speaker 1: about with the old Dolphins. I agree. If they still

844
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Speaker 1: had mid career Roethlisberger there, they would have won at

845
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: least a playoff game or two in a few years,

846
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: I would think. Or one of these two appears when

847
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: they had a great team, they had won thirteen straight.

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Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, they get knocked off by the Jags

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00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. Yeah, but don't underestimate the Jags. Every ten years,

850
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: so Johnny, every ten years. All right, coming up, something

851
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Speaker 1: happened in broadcasting that is going to change broadcasting. We'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what it is next here. It affects the

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Speaker 1: NFL and the Texans and everybody. It's Texans Radio. We

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Speaker 1: are running out of show, so let's get to this.

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Speaker 1: For the first time, streaming viewership collectively has overtaken broadcast viewership.

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Speaker 1: It's done. It's here. We all knew it was coming,

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00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: but it has happened. The networks, So that's linear TV

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Speaker 1: or traditional channels, however you consume them, they are taking

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Speaker 1: a backseat to all of streaming collectively. Now streaming is

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Speaker 1: very fragmented, right, Johnny. Yeah, you got Netflix, you got Paramount,

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Speaker 1: Paramount and Peacock. They have so such a small slice

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Speaker 1: of the audience it would freak people out. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: as far as growth, Netflix is down a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but it's still such a healthy part of the segment.

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Speaker 1: YouTube way up because YouTube is free and now people

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Speaker 1: on their flat screens are watching a whole ton of

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Speaker 1: stuff that they enjoy. But this affects the NFL because

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty nine, after that season, they can opt

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Speaker 1: out of their current deals and go as much streaming

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Speaker 1: as they want to go, and people will back up

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Speaker 1: the Brinks truck for them. Netflix. It'll happen absolutely, And

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Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to say it this way, but

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Speaker 1: in four years there's gonna be a significant portion of

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Speaker 1: the watching audience that unfortunately perishes and you've got just

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Speaker 1: more younger people.

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Speaker 3: How do younger people do things now. They don't mind

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Speaker 3: do it on their phone, they do it on their iPads.

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Speaker 3: They they're fine with streaming and finding it.

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Speaker 1: That's how younger kids expect to find things nowadays. Well

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Speaker 1: I can find it, where can I stream it? My kid? So,

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Speaker 1: my nineteen year old watches the NBA in highlight form

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Speaker 1: as the games are happening. Oh, Dad, you see this

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Speaker 1: in the first quarter of the Rockets game, you know,

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Speaker 1: And it's probably in the third quarter already, but he's

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Speaker 1: not watching it, you know now, sometimes busy school, whatever.

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Speaker 1: But it applies to the NBA playoffs, you know, as

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Speaker 1: the Rockets got knocked out in the first round. Watching

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Speaker 1: the rest of the games, I tend but I've always

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Speaker 1: done this. I tend to jump into games with teams

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Speaker 1: that I don't have a dog in the fight. Games

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Speaker 1: like that, I tend to jump in seven eight minutes

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Speaker 1: to go. I want to see how they executes finish.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to see the first quarter of a

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Speaker 1: game I don't care about, but I do care when

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Speaker 1: it gets deep. That's the beauty of the NFL, though.

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Speaker 1: The first quarter is so meaningful. Somebody drives down the

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Speaker 1: field and punches it in for a touchdown. That means

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Speaker 1: a lot. Now later in the game, that might not

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Speaker 1: be the winning margin, of course, but it really that

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Speaker 1: tips the scale mightily, and now it needs to tip back. NBA,

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Speaker 1: somebody has a ten to fifteen point lead, even it

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that much. Yeah. One of the things that

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Speaker 1: YouTube TV does a brilliant job of is you can

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Speaker 1: if you're recording that game, and this is for a

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Speaker 1: lot of college games.

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Speaker 3: I just have all college football games. If I want

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Speaker 3: to go with that game and I'm already two hours

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Speaker 3: in or whatever it might be, they show me.

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Speaker 1: Join live or watch the big play, watch the key play.

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Speaker 1: Amazon does that on Thursday nights right from the NFL.

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Speaker 3: So just I just watch the key plays and then

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Speaker 3: they take you from those key plays right to what's

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Speaker 3: going on live and you feel like you haven't really missing.

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Speaker 1: I just hate the spinning circle of death when I'm streaming.

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Speaker 1: Everybody does. It's just one of those oh yeah, of life.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely something you're gonna have to deal with.

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Speaker 3: But you just think about younger people and how they

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Speaker 3: consume product, and that is exactly how you do it.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we have the general on the show tonight.

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Speaker 1: This will be in podcast form soon enough. Tomorrow we'll

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Speaker 1: check in with some Texans we got guests. Stay tuned

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Speaker 1: find out more. Have a great night, Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for listening. Area forty five coming up next Go Texans.