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Speaker 1: In today's episode Ticul the Draft Podcast, we talked rookie standouts,

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Speaker 1: James Daniels, is balling at OTA's in mini camp, and

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Speaker 1: what makes this draft class unique. I'm gonna give you

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Speaker 1: some insights on OTA's and mini camps, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: give you some advice and how to watch training camp

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Speaker 1: practices for the best talent evaluation.

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Speaker 2: That all starts right out.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Together the Draft Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson

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Speaker 1: here with just a Guy Jason, and guys. It's been

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Speaker 1: a while since we've been on here, but this is

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Speaker 1: how we're doing the show now. Right there's no draft necessarily,

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Speaker 1: so what we're doing today is kind of updating you

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Speaker 1: on the on the drafts, of draft picks that we had,

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Speaker 1: the free agent signings, and just kind of giving you

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Speaker 1: a state of the Union from our perspective, kind of

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Speaker 1: with all the information we had from the draft, because

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Speaker 1: that's one thing I really hated as a when I

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Speaker 1: followed the draft is everyone gives you their analysis pre

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Speaker 1: but no one gives you their analysis posts. So that's

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Speaker 1: why I and just to guy Jason are here to

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Speaker 1: kind of help flesh out that evaluation and kind of

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Speaker 1: And I'm really excited to do.

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Speaker 3: That and also to continue to evowl sure right as well,

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Speaker 3: because like they're not they've just started their careers, so

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Speaker 3: we want to see how they improve, how they get better.

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Speaker 3: And I mean when I watch them when we were

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Speaker 3: scouting up to their draft, like I don't I don't

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Speaker 3: want to quit these guys, Like I want to see

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Speaker 3: how they do right and how they continue to grow,

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Speaker 3: how their skill set can translate, and then like self

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Speaker 3: evaluate myself and be like hey I saw this. I

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Speaker 3: didn't see this, so I get better next time. So

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Speaker 3: the next time we're going to the Combine and the

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Speaker 3: Senior Bowl into the ticket to the draft twenty five,

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Speaker 3: like we're we're a little better, right, right, We're a

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Speaker 1: And I think the other thing that I find really

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Speaker 1: interesting about the process is most scouting, you know groups,

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Speaker 1: three years out. They do like review every three years

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Speaker 1: of that draft class to see it was successful, who's not.

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Speaker 2: I also think kind of taking a little.

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Speaker 1: Micro look at it like this allows you to see

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Speaker 1: like the potential pit of fit, kind of cultural fit.

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Speaker 1: You know, scheme fit, you know how the guy kind

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Speaker 1: think these are always really helpful, again for what you're

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Speaker 1: talking about in terms of evil, but also showing you

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Speaker 1: that it's not always up to the talent evaluator. It's

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Speaker 1: up to the environment that the kids going into.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah. Most podcasts and media that covers the draft,

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Speaker 3: once a draft happens, they're done.

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Speaker 2: Ye not us, not us, not us.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be with you. So that being said, let's

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Speaker 3: jump right into it. OTAs of Mini camp are over,

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Speaker 3: comes to our rookies. All right, a lot of people

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Speaker 3: What does it mean to be impressive through OTAs in

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure this is different for everybody, but I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which you can see by the way on Command Center,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so make sure you guys check that out. But

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Speaker 2: Point for those guys.

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Speaker 1: And so I think when people say the draft classes

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Speaker 1: context of for this time of year, they're basically answering

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Speaker 3: So using that context that you just laid out for

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Speaker 1: So I think like he's just been awesome to me

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Speaker 1: in terms of watching it. He's not making catches every

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Speaker 1: single time, but watching him in individual work, watching them

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Speaker 1: when he's you know, running the backside clear route for

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Speaker 1: the dig and how there's no there's no quit, there's

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Speaker 3: So looking back on the evaluation through this draft class,

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Speaker 2: A guy that came to work every day, no.

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Speaker 1: Problems in the locker room, and was a part of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And not to make excuses for us in the

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Speaker 3: But I have no idea what his work ethic is,

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Speaker 3: and we see it, it's like, oh that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: You're a third rounder now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And there are certain things that show up on film,

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Speaker 1: just extremely important for us as evaluators again because we

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Speaker 3: So who else is set out? Let's keep going with this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I just want to real quickly, I was looking

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Speaker 3: So Dominie Campton is number forty five when you see

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Speaker 2: One more person, and it's going to be our guy.

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Speaker 1: Jye Daniels is the guy for me number five, and

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Speaker 1: I think this is where I feel very vindicated in

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Speaker 1: Situations like that when the windows are super tight, which

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen a ton of it just yet, but

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Speaker 3: And we're seeing him do all this without utilizing a

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Speaker 3: All of this is we want to see you throw

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Speaker 1: So I think the thing I've been really impressed with

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Speaker 1: I think what I'm alluding to there in terms of

434
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Speaker 1: things I want to see improve is there's a difference

435
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Speaker 1: between NFL Open and college open, and that's been really

436
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Speaker 1: hard for guys over the last couple of years from

437
00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,720
Speaker 1: big programs to figure out. I think to a tongue

438
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Speaker 1: of I low is a good example. Bryce Young is

439
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,320
Speaker 1: a good example. Guys that are used to having dogs outside,

440
00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,640
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, that's not open, but in the NFL,

441
00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,440
Speaker 1: that's open, right. The defender's draped over the guy's back,

442
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:33,920
Speaker 1: and it's about my ball placement.

443
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Speaker 2: Now.

444
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Speaker 1: At times he's shown really high level ball placement during

445
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,880
Speaker 1: OTA's in mini camp, which is awesome, but I want

446
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,800
Speaker 1: to see it when it's like when the.

447
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,560
Speaker 2: Margin for error is a little bit tighter.

448
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Speaker 1: And again, those are things that like he hasn't really

449
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,640
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to show, so I can't knock him.

450
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Speaker 1: But that's like kind of the outlying question is like

451
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,560
Speaker 1: you had league neighbors, Brian Thomas. They were all for

452
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Speaker 1: both first round draft picks. One was top five, like,

453
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Speaker 1: now what do we do with guys that are really good?

454
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Speaker 1: And again and the Reds on the other day, they

455
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,679
Speaker 1: had a man period. He's slinging fastballs to Terry with

456
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Speaker 1: tight slant windows a little bit different in man and

457
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Speaker 1: man coverage. I want to see what it looks like

458
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 1: versus an aggressive man match coverage where I got to

459
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Speaker 1: be confident and get the ball where it's got to go.

460
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Speaker 1: So but again, the other the processing I've been incredibly

461
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Speaker 1: impressed with, Like, and that's the stuff you saw at LSU,

462
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,199
Speaker 1: but the offense was so simple, Like how does he

463
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Speaker 1: do it with something that's a little bit more complicated,

464
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Speaker 1: And just his ability to know the offense from like

465
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Speaker 1: the first day of rookie Mini camp. I can't overstate

466
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Speaker 1: how impressive all that has been. And so again on

467
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 1: the whole, he's been incredibly impressive. The accuracy, the touch,

468
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 1: all those things. It's just this other club in the bag.

469
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it and it's one of the harder

470
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Speaker 1: ones to kind of cultivate.

471
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Speaker 3: So what do you think is unique about this season's

472
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Speaker 3: draft class, with this new regime that's in compared to

473
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Speaker 3: some others that we've seen come in here, is there

474
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Speaker 3: anything that sticks out as like a overarching sure characterization

475
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Speaker 3: of them?

476
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Speaker 1: Well, first off, so many things are just incredibly impressive

477
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Speaker 1: about this draft class. And credit to Adam Peters really

478
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: because it's like it's so easy to get caught up

479
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 1: with the shiny toy, right Like in the process we

480
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 1: both had our guys, We're like, Oh, I love this guy.

481
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: This guy's going to be incredible They all embody these

482
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 1: the same core tenants. Smart like football, tough, good athletes.

483
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 1: Like that's across the board, every single pick, from the

484
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Speaker 1: quarterback to the defensive end. They drafted in the seven,

485
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Speaker 1: John Baptiste, they drafted in the seventh round. They all

486
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Speaker 1: are like that, and it's so easy to be like, oh,

487
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Speaker 1: this guy is maybe not. I think Brian Brandon Coleman's

488
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,439
Speaker 1: an a showing example. There are guys that measurable and

489
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Speaker 1: tested wise, maybe we're better than him, but I think

490
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Speaker 1: the floor of that player, and Brandon Coleman is just

491
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Speaker 1: you are on base with that pick.

492
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Speaker 2: He's going to be a good NFL player.

493
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Speaker 3: So that seems so simple. It's so simple, seem so simple.

494
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Speaker 3: I want a guy who loves football. I want a

495
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 3: guy that's smart, guy that's a grounder. I want a

496
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 3: guy that's a hard runner. But all the time we go, oh, well,

497
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 3: this guy is super tall, yeah, and super athletic, and

498
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Speaker 3: he may and I have these other things. But oh man,

499
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Speaker 3: we get so like you said, the shiny tool, he

500
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Speaker 3: gets so excited about it. Why is that so difficult

501
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 3: even for like looking back, it's just like I see

502
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 3: Johnny Wilson walking around like, oh my, oh my gosh,

503
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 3: you see the potential, Like how do you stay ground?

504
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 3: How does Peters and Quinn stay so grounded with that?

505
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Speaker 3: Like what is it about it that makes it so

506
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Speaker 3: hard to do? But they're able to pull it off?

507
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

508
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Speaker 1: I had a conversation with Dan briefly and again like

509
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to reveal anything super insightful here, but

510
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, like what, like how do

511
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Speaker 1: you how do you make some of these decisions between

512
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Speaker 1: player A and player B.

513
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Speaker 2: He's like, are they competitor? Are they competitive?

514
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Speaker 1: And every single one of these guys like bensonatt on

515
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: tape is a competitive son of a gun, right, Dominic

516
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: Campton physical, fearless, competitive, Right, Mike sanderstill maybe the most

517
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: competitive player pound four pound shoot, maybe the best competitive,

518
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Speaker 1: petitive player period in the entire draft. Johnny Newton, he's

519
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: playing seven hundred snaps, probably three hundred more than he

520
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: should be playing, and he is finishing to the football

521
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: and those when you see that on film and you

522
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: interview the guy Jane Daniel was putting his head down

523
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: on a fourth and one for a first down like that.

524
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Speaker 1: Dude loves ball, like they all love ball. And it's

525
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: and again like if that's your guiding tenant, you know

526
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, obviously you gotta trust the process,

527
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: you gotta trust your board, all that kind of stuff.

528
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Speaker 1: But if that's your guiding tenant, you're gonna have more

529
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Speaker 1: hits than missus and I. And again it's to your point,

530
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: it's so hard to not go. Oh Man, Patrick paul Man,

531
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Speaker 1: he's got the longest arms ever in the NFL combine.

532
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Speaker 1: He's six eighties, three point fifty. Or Amarusmim is another

533
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: great example. But like those who get you fired, I

534
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Speaker 1: want the dude that's a self starter, gonna get better,

535
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: gonna grind, gonna maximize every ounce of talent. And I

536
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: look at the dudes that again, I go back to

537
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Speaker 1: San fran when I was there, the dudes that make

538
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: that organization go and what it is, they're wired exactly

539
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: like that. And the other thing is they fit specific

540
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: roles in the defense.

541
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Speaker 2: Like Jared Wagner what's.

542
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Speaker 1: His first name, not Bobby Wagner, A Warner, Fred Warner,

543
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: excuse me, the linebacker for San Francisco. He was a

544
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Speaker 1: safety in college and there was a coach that said,

545
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Speaker 1: I see a vision for him, just like Dominie Campton here,

546
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Speaker 1: like the vision for the players and the competitors at

547
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Speaker 1: all lines. So I've never come out of a draft

548
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Speaker 1: since I've been covering the team where I've been like,

549
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: these are all going to be good pros, borrowing some

550
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: injury or something crazy happening. But there they love ball,

551
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: They're hyper competitive, and it's a good reminder. Like you know,

552
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: on our sheet, on our Google doc we share, there's

553
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: a compete toughness column. You know what I mean is

554
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: we need to be I need to be harsh with that,

555
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: like do they love football? Because then that list of

556
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: people that's four hundred people long is all of a

557
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: sudden seventy five and you're like, we need to get

558
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Speaker 1: one of these seventy five dudes to fill out our team.

559
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm gonna hype you up Logan. Right, if

560
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Speaker 3: anybody he was listening to this, take it through their

561
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 3: draft podcast leading up to their draft, they would have

562
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: known that about you. You have that column and they

563
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 3: need to be a competitor. They need to have that

564
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 3: dog in them as all right, That's an important aspect

565
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Speaker 3: of this. And when we were Adie Mitchell, Johnny Wilson.

566
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Speaker 3: They may be great, but what we're talking about here

567
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 3: when they have that compete is your target gets bigger,

568
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: the margin of error gets smaller, and that's why they

569
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 3: lean maybe more towards somebody like, I mean, it's crazy

570
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 3: that we got Johnny Newton where he did because he's

571
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: an incredible talent and he fits this right when a

572
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Speaker 3: lot of our fans or draft analysts leading up to

573
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Speaker 3: it would have thought, well, why are you taking another detack?

574
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Speaker 3: You have pain, you have Alan, you just drafted Frenarian

575
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Speaker 3: Massis ridge Ery is still in this team, Like, you're

576
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 3: pretty deep there. Why are you going there when like

577
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 3: a Cooper de Gene for example, is still around. Well,

578
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Speaker 3: it's because when they got to that point, and if

579
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Speaker 3: you watch Commander that we released on YouTube, there's behind

580
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Speaker 3: the scenes of the draft room where Peters and Quinn

581
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: are like, I mean, this is a guy, right, we

582
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: have commander next to his name. If he's here, we

583
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: can't let him go because I'm going to make another plug.

584
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Speaker 3: When he sat down with Razko with the Rookies with

585
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: Brian Colbert and had his interview that's also on YouTube,

586
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 3: he was like, oh, I don't have a dog in me.

587
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: I got a lion. I am so I want to

588
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 3: be so aggressive that I want everybody to fear me

589
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 3: like a lion. Like everybody's a dog, but I'm a lion.

590
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,239
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, you're not going to the chance of

591
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 3: missing on that because he's going to be such a

592
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 3: hard worker. He's going to be such a grinder in

593
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 3: addition to his talent. That's just God given right and

594
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 3: that he's worked hard for it. But like, yeah, we do.

595
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 3: We just get lost with that. And it's great to

596
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: see this draft class. They all have that work hard

597
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: mentality and you see it in practices and OTAs that

598
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 3: you did not see previous seasons. Yeah, like real quickly,

599
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 3: this isn't on the rundown. Talk to me about how

600
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 3: just practice looks this season with Dan Quinn versus what

601
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Speaker 3: we saw in previous seasons.

602
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Speaker 1: Here, I think, you know, it's it's the energy, it's

603
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: the up tempo nature of it. It's the competitiveness, Like

604
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, there was I'm trying to think if there

605
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: was a play on last day of mini camp where

606
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: you know they got out at thirty minutes early, but

607
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: in red zone someone made a nice catch number eighty four.

608
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: He's a he's a free agent guy that they just

609
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: signed and in your league six years. He makes a

610
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: diving catch, hits his toes down, and Terry and Johann

611
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: are on the sideline going like that's my guy, that's

612
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: gat what a play and you and again it's it's

613
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: a new staff, it's a new environment, new ownership, lots

614
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: of new things happening. But I just look at him

615
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, that was something that ever happened.

616
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: Like just the joy of playing football, the joy of

617
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: competing is there.

618
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: And again when I played for Dan in Atlanta on a.

619
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Speaker 1: Thing that really stood out to me about him was

620
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: his ability to get that out of you say, hey,

621
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Speaker 1: it's fun to come to work, because dudes who enjoy

622
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: coming to work are going to put more into it.

623
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Speaker 2: Right.

624
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: And this is a little bit nerdy, but like in

625
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: my strength conditioning space with my other job, one of

626
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: the things that comes out is like if someone enjoys

627
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: the tasks task, they put more into it. They they

628
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: if someone likes lifting weights, they're going to do it

629
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: more right. And it's and they're and they're better at

630
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: it usually, and so I think like that they apply

631
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: that same principle here. It's like, Man, if they love

632
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: competing and coming to work and getting after it with

633
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: each other and fighting like in a brotherhood, I think

634
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: you're just going to have a really fantastic team. And

635
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: I think bringing in some of the veteran free agents

636
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: helps with that. I think bringing in some of these

637
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: rookies helps with that. But it's been a it's been

638
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: a lot of fun to watch, and I'm really happy

639
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: for guys like Terry and John and uh you know

640
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: that they get to experience this level of joy playing football.

641
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

642
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 3: The guy that made that catch was davey On Davis,

643
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: number eighty four wide receiver, two years of in experience

644
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: out of sam Houston State. It was a hack of

645
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: a play I wanted to give a little insight to

646
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 3: when we were out together at the last mini camp

647
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: practice and one of the things I was like, this

648
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 3: is just so smart. How come I never saw this

649
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: when I was here. Was Special teams was doing just

650
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: field goal work right and placekicker was and it used

651
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: to be when they're doing that, it was quiet. People

652
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: were like, Yeah, the rest of the team like this

653
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: last thing here, So we're just kind of walking around

654
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: getting ready for our next whatever the next scheduled thing is.

655
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: In this instance, everybody on the team got right next,

656
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: like literally right next to the placekicker and just was

657
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 3: heckling and screaming and yelling at him while he's trying

658
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: to make these kicks during practice. I'm like, that's so smart. Hey,

659
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: it gets everybody involved in the importance of what this is.

660
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: You're practicing a hostile environment and having the kick and

661
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: snap and hold with all this noise. We never saw

662
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: that before, but it's getting everybody involved. Nobody has ever

663
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: just standing around right. There's always and there is a

664
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 3: purpose to everything that's going on. We needn't see that

665
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 3: previous seasons. We're seeing it now with Dan Quinn No.

666
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent and it's just little exempt like the

667
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: energy Joe before practice. We'll see how that looks in

668
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: season or whatever. But something about it, man, and the

669
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: energy of the coaches too, you know, like Tap gets

670
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: a lot of love out there because he's going crazy,

671
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: Joe Whitt Junior's going crazy, Dan's coaching people up.

672
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: It's there's something.

673
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: It's a different vibe man and again he and again

674
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: it shows like how it's just such a good reminder,

675
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: just like with the draft stuff of when you're building

676
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: a team, it's got to be a consistent message from

677
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: the top to the bottom. Right, So it starts with

678
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: Josh Harris, you hire Adam Peters, you hire Dan Quinn,

679
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: and then Dan goes out and hires coaches that he

680
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: wants to reflect, you know, his values, which is energy

681
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: and getting guys better, and like that wasn't always the

682
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: case here, you know, even when I was playing here,

683
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: that wasn't always the case. And so it's pretty fantastic

684
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: to see that, and it just it just is is

685
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: a good, i think example of leadership and how it's

686
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: important and how it's a Christmas tree.

687
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: You know.

688
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: It starts at the you know, with a good base

689
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: with the coaches, position coaches, players, works its way up

690
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: and it's all it's all connected.

691
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: So yeah, we're releasing a historical pod coming out in

692
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks over the fourth of July week

693
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: that's all about the lead up to Super Bowl twenty two,

694
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: And we got a lot of people on this podcast

695
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: from that time. One of them is Joe Gibbs and

696
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: Charles Mann specifically talk about the practices before Super Bowl

697
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 3: twenty two and how how intense they were, because Joe

698
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: Gibbs said, we are practicing intense, we are practicing hard.

699
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: It had to cut practice, cut practice short because he

700
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: was like, someone's gonna get hurt. They're just so fired up,

701
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: they're so ready to Charles Mann says, I get goosebumps

702
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: thinking back to it because we knew we were the

703
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: better team because we practiced so hard, we knew we

704
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: were coming. We didn't have to rev up at the

705
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: super Bowl. We were already there, right, You don't have

706
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: to get ready. We stayed ready. And like you kind

707
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: even to feel that even here in Ota is a

708
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: training camp, they are at another level of we are

709
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: going to play football in a violent way, is how

710
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: Dan Quinn says it. We are going to arrive violently,

711
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: and they're starting at practice.

712
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: And I think that that physicality, that mindset is is

713
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: so incredibly important and it starts with the energy. And

714
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: again through OTA's they've done a good job. Through Mini camp,

715
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: they've done a good job. Now obviously training camps coming up.

716
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna do another one of these after training camp.

717
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: But so with training camp coming up, not everybody can

718
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: make the team. That's out there right What are some

719
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: positions that are having some interesting competition to you right

720
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: now that you're looking at, Like, man, this is a

721
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: deep group. There's gonna there's people really fighting for jobs here,

722
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 3: like or just gonna be interesting, like how do how

723
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 3: do you cut someone from here? Maybe we end up

724
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: keeping eight or nine here and cutting over here, Like

725
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: what are you looking at as far as like, man,

726
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: this looks this looks like a deep position right here.

727
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think an interesting one is the defensive tackle, specifically,

728
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: like with the addition of Gishon Newton obviously, because you

729
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: got Ridgeway, you got big Phill and it's just like

730
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: usually you keep four and so who best embodies that

731
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: vision of the things we've been talking about, who's competitive, tough,

732
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: self starter of that group because obviously John and Doron

733
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: are going to be here, and Gerson is I mean,

734
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: his film speaks for itself. He hasn't been practicing because

735
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: of a foot injury which he's rehabbing from. But of

736
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: those other two guys, who's going to kind of make

737
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: their name? And then I think another guy that's interesting

738
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: is Powell, the kid from Virginia Tech. The UDFA just

739
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: how explosive he is, how fast he is, Like does

740
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: he kind of make some waves as a guy that says, hey,

741
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm a pass rush specialist, you can bring me in

742
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: in certain packages? Is? I mean, he's tremendously athletic. So

743
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Speaker 1: I do think that's an interesting one because I think

744
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: it kind of says like who It's a great example

745
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: of who do we want to be defensively because I

746
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: think John Ridgeway works so well here because he was

747
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: this big run stopping guy that filled a very specific niche.

748
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Speaker 1: But do they want to keep that same identity and

749
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: does big is big fill enough of a self starter

750
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: at this point is to kind of warrant that roster spot.

751
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: So I think that'll be interesting in terms of reflecting,

752
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the cultural identity of the defense

753
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: linebacker to me is also very interesting. I think it's

754
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 1: pretty I think it's more set than people want to say,

755
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: basically in terms of like utilization packages. And I think

756
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to divert here a little bit, but I

757
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: think Joe Whitt Junior said, you know, we have seventeen

758
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: starters on defense, and I think that that reflects a

759
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: mindset from the coach. You know, we've got a dime linebacker,

760
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: we've got a nickel linebacker, We've got.

761
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 2: Our sub rushers.

762
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Speaker 1: And so with linebackers specifically, they're going to be using

763
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Speaker 1: Mike Sander still as a linebacker in some cases. They're

764
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: going to be using Dominie Campton or Jeremy Chin as

765
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: a linebacker in some cases. So how does that rotation

766
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: affect Jordan McGee, Frankie Luvu, and Bobby Wagner.

767
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Speaker 3: Like, I think there's some talk about jam And Davis

768
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: and what his role is going to be here in

769
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: the sense of how he has been playing linebacker versus

770
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: maybe what Wit and Quinn are scheming up for him.

771
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be It's to see how that goes.

772
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I might be a little bit of a

773
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: negative Nelly because I've never seen a guy position switch

774
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: and then be super effective. Like even Michael Parsons was, like,

775
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: you know, he played linebacker and defensive end until he

776
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: kind of matured as a defensive pass rusher.

777
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So talking about talk that jam And may turn

778
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: into more of an.

779
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: Edge rusher, yeah, correct, And can he make waves there?

780
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: You know, physically athletically he's got all that stuff going on.

781
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: But in terms of what Bobby Wagner does in practice,

782
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: in terms of what Frankie Louvou does at practice, in

783
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: terms of Jordan McGee and how he's moving around, how

784
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: confident he's playing. Again at Silotia's, it's just like, man,

785
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna And then you know Bo Bo Burmall, Burmall Burndall,

786
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: the guy from Notre Dame. He's been great as the

787
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: second Mike linebacker. You know, he's had a pick, he's

788
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: had a couple of PPUs, he's communicating. So they've got

789
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: some guys there that look much more traditional in terms

790
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: of above the neck play at linebacker, and I think

791
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: it'll be really interesting to see kind of how that

792
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: group develops and how they utilize all those different pieces

793
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: in that second level of the defense. So a couple

794
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: that again, the secondary I think is always interesting because

795
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: of you know, can you develop with Emmanuel Forbes, Can

796
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 1: you develop with Emmanuel Saint Juws safety rotations? Oh yeah,

797
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: Benjamin Saint Jews, that's gonna be tremendous. Receiver is always

798
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: interesting because it's like with the new coaching staff, with

799
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: the new receiver coach, who is your fifth and six

800
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: wide receiver like does bryceon Tremaine because of the physicality

801
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: that he plays.

802
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: With like Crackett. You know, I don't know.

803
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: So again, that's when you're keeping an eye on an

804
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: offensive line obviously would be the fifth group that I'd

805
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: be keeping an eye on.

806
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: So what's next then? I mean, now the OTAs are

807
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 3: done and mini camp is done, and we're moving into

808
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: training camp here, Sam, what do you want to see

809
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: out of the rookies in training camp? For you? Logan Paulson,

810
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: what do you want to see from them?

811
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: I think the next step of any good offseason program,

812
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: and the thing that you circle as a player, as

813
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: a coach, as a talent evaluator is when they start

814
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: putting the pads on, like that's the next thing, because

815
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: they've shown a certain ability to negotiate, you know, the

816
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: intellectual and physical demands at this point of the offseason.

817
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: But I look at this and I say to myself, like,

818
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, football is a collision sport, and it there's

819
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: a reason that when you're playing high school football, some

820
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: people stop playing because they can't deal with the contact.

821
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: I hate to say, but it's the same thing at

822
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: the NFL level. And I know the game has changed,

823
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: and a lot of people think it's neutered. Hate to

824
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: break it to you. Go watch an NFL game standing

825
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: on the sideline and your jaw would drop with the

826
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: level of physicality, right, And can you get yourself in

827
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: the right position on some tackles?

828
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: How do you block? How do you move people?

829
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: You know everyone's been talking about, you know, Ben Snatt

830
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: and how he can play fullback.

831
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: I believe it when I see it.

832
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: Like I love Ben Snnatt's film, I love his makeup,

833
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: I love how he's hit in the bag, But when

834
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: we have to go block Fred Wore or you know,

835
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner or Frankie louv on an iso, like, that's

836
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: a different ball of wax entirely. And I think he's

837
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: perfectly physical, perfectly capable of getting that done physically, But

838
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: that's a mindset thing. And so where are we at

839
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: from a mindset standpoint with regards to some of that stuff.

840
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: And so to me, rookies and they all should be

841
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: able to do it, but it's a different beast. And

842
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: I this is like I digress a little bit, but

843
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: like there's there is something when I first got in

844
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 1: the NFL about putting your hands on a guy who'd

845
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: done it for ten years in the line of scrimmage,

846
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, this is like just a different strength,

847
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: it's a different toughness, it's a different understanding of leverages

848
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: that you had to learn. And I was able to

849
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: learn it. Thank god they gave me time here with

850
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: you know, might give me an opportunity, but it's it's different.

851
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: And so that's the next thing I want to see

852
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: is how they handle that. And then when they get

853
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: to joint practices, how do they deal with something they

854
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: haven't seen every single day?

855
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: Right?

856
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: I think that's the other thing is how do you

857
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: adjust and how are you flexible? And again, because that'll

858
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: weed out a lot of people in terms of understanding

859
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: and perception of how to run a defense or how

860
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: to run an offense.

861
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, So if I'm a fan, which I am,

862
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 3: I'm just a guy and I show up to training camp,

863
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 3: and how as I a fan do I watch training

864
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: camp and get an evaluation or understanding of maybe what

865
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 3: these guys are going to look like or the team's

866
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: gonna look like when they hit the field. And the

867
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 3: reason I'm asking that is because when before I met

868
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: you and before I add the access that I do,

869
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 3: which I'm super grateful for and able to talk to

870
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,959
Speaker 3: you guys. And I would come out to a training camp,

871
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh, that was a great catch. He's

872
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: he should make the team, right like, or oh, man,

873
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 3: that was a great throw, or that was a good

874
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 3: block or good hustle. There. I see one play and

875
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: I make an opinion about him as a fan. Yeah, right,

876
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 3: But if you're a coach at practice, like what are

877
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 3: you looking for? And translate to at me as a fan,

878
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 3: I'm coming in, tell me as a fan what I

879
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: can look for and be like, get the most out

880
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 3: of coming to training camp.

881
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, So to get a true evaluation of training camp,

882
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: it's hard. You got to be really like a football mind.

883
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: But I'll try to distill it as best I can.

884
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: So there's a couple of ways to watch. One is

885
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: from a schematic perspective, so like defensively, like what kind

886
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: of coverage ructures are we in?

887
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: Are we in one high two? Iy?

888
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: Are we in man coverage? If we're in man coverage

889
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: and I'm evaluating a dB, how does he move, how

890
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: does he play his leverage? How to use his hands?

891
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: You know, and then you go from like a huge

892
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: kind of zoomed out level to a you know, an

893
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: individual lens there. But I think understanding kind of defensively,

894
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: what's going on, what are the past concepts we're running

895
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: offensively kind of big picture scheme. Then you got to

896
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: distill down right and you say, like, okay, is this

897
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: player executing in the context of this. Let's take a

898
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: pass concept for example, like everyone knows smash, which is

899
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: a five yard sit by the number one receiver, so

900
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: the guy on the outside and a corner by number two.

901
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: There's a million ways to run that based on how

902
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: you as the receiver in terms of the corner are

903
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: seeing the defense.

904
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: So do you have a football IQ.

905
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: You might make a great one headed catch, but maybe

906
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: you were on a different page in the quarterback because

907
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: you misread the coverage.

908
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: That's why you're making a winning man.

909
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 2: That's why you're making a one handed catch.

910
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: And so I do think it's help to kind of

911
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: step back and then if you're a value waiting one guy,

912
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: like let's say player X makes the one head to catch,

913
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: you want to watch them for.

914
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: The rest of practice. Watch every rep.

915
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: Got a feel like, is the coach talking to him

916
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: in between reps, is he's saying, hey, man, that's not

917
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: how we do that, and is there a lot of

918
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 1: negative feedback around this player. The ither think it's important

919
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: when you go to training camp is be aware of

920
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 1: who's in with the ones, who's in with the twos,

921
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: and who's in with the threes, Because if a guy's

922
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: balling with the threes, I hate to break it to you,

923
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: like they could have the best training camp of all time.

924
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: They're probably not making the squad, but if they're in

925
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: that two, that first and second group, those are guys

926
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: you need to kind of be aware of. And the

927
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: other thing I'd say is watch special teams because those

928
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: guys on special teams, even though it seems like a

929
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: wasted period, those guys are the guys that are looking

930
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: at to be maybe not the top forty four guys,

931
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 1: but definitely the bottom half of that roster.

932
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 2: The last ten roster spots will be filled out on teams.

933
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what I look for when I

934
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: go to practice is who's playing teams, who's got the

935
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: specific roles, like who's the gunner, you know, who's the

936
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: guy on the outside of the punt team, covering kicks

937
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: because those guys usually make the team. Who's the PP

938
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: that guy to make the team, and who's the return

939
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: man because there's five or six guys that maybe are

940
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: flex position, you know, like your OZ type guy that

941
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: is maybe your starting returner, and you're like, he's going

942
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: to make the team no matter what, So he's your

943
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: fifth or fourth wide receiver. And then again understanding kind

944
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: of where they are on the depth chart, and then

945
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: macro and micro levels in terms of evaluation, and don't

946
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: get caught up with the one play evaluation.

947
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: I think that's huge.

948
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: Like, for example, you know Johan Dotson had a great

949
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: play earlier this training camp where he beats press, knocks

950
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: the hands down, works up nice over the shoulder catch

951
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, well maybe he's progressed past having

952
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: an issue with certain press looks. And you go out

953
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: to the next couple of practices and he's getting hammed up

954
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: on press. So he's still it's a work in progress

955
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: for him.

956
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

957
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 3: That's not to say he's not playing.

958
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no, but it's just to.

959
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: Say like, oh, well he's now surpassed this.

960
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: No, he's still in the still working on it. Yeah,

961
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: still working on it.

962
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: And so again, like it's so easy with one play

963
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: evaluation to jump to sweeping conclusions.

964
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: Just don't do that. You need more.

965
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: Larger sample sizes tend to lead more accurate results.

966
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 3: All right, To end this, Okay, give the fans one

967
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: player to be like, hey, watch this guy when he's

968
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: out there. That's not the obvious. I mean we could

969
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 3: say Jaden, but like be like, you know what, fans

970
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: when if you get a chance to see him in

971
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: person at training camp, keep an eye on this number.

972
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'd say obviously we talked about you know,

973
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: Dominie Campton number forty five and Luke McCaffrey number twelve.

974
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: I think Jordan McGee is interesting. And again, just to

975
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: kind of go off script here completely, Frankie Luvu's tape

976
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 1: from Carolina last year was so physical and fun to watch.

977
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,479
Speaker 1: He's going to be number four, So watch him, watch

978
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: him as a pass rusher, watch him as a blitzer,

979
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: watch him fit runs like that. Dude is so fun.

980
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: His film is so fun to watch it. Like, there's

981
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: certain reports I gotta do for free agency for the show.

982
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, this guy's kind of whatever you know,

983
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: and I was so Jewish for him, man, because he

984
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: plays the game the way you're supposed to play it.

985
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: I think Brandon Coleman is a guy that I'm going

986
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: to be watching when the pads come on.

987
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: Seventy four.

988
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: I think he is seventy four.

989
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: That seems right, Yeah, and just a guy that is

990
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: going to have potentially a really big responsibility on this team.

991
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: I think you'll see why the team drafted him in

992
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: terms of athleticism, but also like how's he coming along?

993
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: Is he winning one on ones? Is he do holding

994
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: up in pass pro? Does he understand conceptually what they're

995
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: asking him to do? And as it comes to being

996
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: a part of a five man protection, like all that

997
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Because again, if he figures it out

998
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: and develops really quickly over his face.

999
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: He's gonna be your start and left tackle. I think.

1000
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: So that's a guy.

1001
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: And then again, Mike Sanders still, his college film is tremendous.

1002
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: He's playing that nickel and he's been He's just a

1003
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: blast to watch man.

1004
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: Just his college film's fun.

1005
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: He's fast, he's instinctive, he's smart football player, great ball production.

1006
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: So hopefully that translates here.

1007
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 1: So those are a couple of names that I would

1008
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: just kind of and again like there's so many guys Kwan,

1009
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: Jeremy Chin like those guys, and those guys are awesome Forbes.

1010
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: If you're looking for a guy that I think had

1011
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: a TA period, how does you look when the.

1012
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: Pads come on? That's number thirteen.

1013
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: I like watching for it.

1014
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fun to watch. And obviously Terry and Johann

1015
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 2: are a blast.

1016
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: And I think if you want just like an old

1017
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: dude that's like just playing the game at a high level.

1018
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: Zach rtz Man just he understands how to run routes,

1019
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: how to get open. If you're young tight end coming

1020
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: to training camp, definitely check him out for sure.

1021
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say you can't go wrong watching the

1022
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: linebacker crew. No, you really can't, just all of them,

1023
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: and I mean Frankie Luvu looks the part absolutely McGee

1024
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: number fifty eight. As you talked about a rookie that

1025
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: I'm I like watching, Jamn is fun to watch. And

1026
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: then man, you get to watch put Wagner And the

1027
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: last time I can remember watching a middle linebacker that

1028
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 3: I felt this confident with was London Fledger here and

1029
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: it's like you got that same caliber of player on

1030
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 3: this team at the middle linebacker. I mean, Bobby Wagoner

1031
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: is gonna get a gold jacket. London deserves a gold jacket.

1032
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: So you're watching Hall of Fame talent at that linebacker position. Yeah,

1033
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 3: get out the training camp, watch the linebackers. And when's

1034
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: the last time we said that.

1035
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: It's been a long time, but they all I think

1036
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 1: all four of those guys have a tremendous ceiling and

1037
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: the defense is going to play a lot better because

1038
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: of those guys, for sure.

1039
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1040
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I love doing this podcast with you.

1041
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: It's a great podcast man. Oh and yeah, just let

1042
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 1: us know what you want to talk about moving forward.

1043
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 1: If you want us to start talking about draft guys

1044
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: for next year, like true Psychos, we could start doing

1045
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: that too. But we're going to do a review right now.

1046
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: We're planning to do a review of training camp.

1047
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, our next episode will be once training camp wraps.

1048
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: We'll do a quick review kind of like what we

1049
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: did here, hopefully a little more in depth because we'll

1050
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 3: get a little more out of drinking.

1051
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: And that's it.