1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what with the Hall 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: of Famer Tim Kirkchen, I'm his son, Jeff Kirchen, and 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: today Cubbs broadcaster Jim Desha's, former major league pitcher is 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: joining as our guest. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: And he made us laugh so many times about the 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: Andy Griffiths show, about what a terrible hitting pitcher he was, 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: and he struck out the first eight batters of a game, 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: first guy in the modern era to do that. He 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: got a Hall of Fame vote. Jim Deshay's covered a 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: lot of ground with us today. 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 3: And all of it was hilarious. 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: Our special guest this week is my dear friend, Jim Desha's, 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: former major league pitcher, former really good major league pitcher, 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: and now the color broadcaster color analyst on Cubs games 15 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: with our dear friend Boog Shambie. Jim, this is my 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: son Jeff. We do a podcast together. 17 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, how about that? Hi, Jeff? How are you fellas right? 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: Jim? Before we get to the US, before we get 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: to baseball, you are from Messina, New York. 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 3: I know all about this. 21 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: Can you explain another one of the famous people who's 22 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 2: from Messina, New York? At least in sitcom history. 23 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, perhaps the most famous Messinian ever, if a Messinian 24 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 3: is even a word. It's the great House Smith, who 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: had a long career in Hollywood and radio, but most 26 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 3: well known as Otis the Drunk on the Andy Griffith Show. 27 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 3: People of a certain age will remember the lovable drunk 28 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: Otis who used to lock himself up in the jail cell. 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: And we got to be buddies many many years ago 30 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 3: when I was playing for the Astros. 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: That's amazing that Jim tell us about. Tell us about 32 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: the little ceremony that they had on the field with 33 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: you in uniform from helping here the Andy Griffith Show 34 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: fan club. 35 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: Tell the club. Yes, these fan clubs, they apparently they 36 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: popped up all over all over the place back in 37 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: the day, and they may still exist for all I know, 38 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: But so I'll try. I try to get to that point. Initially, 39 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 3: how I even got to know Hal Smith. It might 40 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: have been rob beating somebody's doing an article and and 41 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 3: and asked me, because Mescene is a small town in 42 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 3: northern New York, if I were like the most famous 43 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: guy from there, And I said, no, it's Hal Smith 44 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: who played Otis the Drunk and somehow, how somebody sent 45 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: how that article and he called the clubhouse looking for me, 46 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 3: and that's that's how this relationship started, and we end 47 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 3: up chatting. I met him in La we were out 48 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: to play the Dodgers and my wife and then two 49 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: of my daughters were little and they were with us 50 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 3: on the trip and we met and had breakfast with 51 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 3: Otis or How. And the great thing was, you know, 52 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: we're sitting in the restaurant of the hotel and he 53 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 3: sees us as he's acrossing the lobby, and as soon 54 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 3: as he sees it, he just starts staggering and doing 55 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: the drunk Otis watch and immediately breaks into character. Uh, 56 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: and he was delightful. He sat at the table. You know, 57 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 3: he voiced Winnie the Pooh for years, so he did 58 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: Winnie the Pooh for the girls, and that blew them away. 59 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: And uh, you know, he did a bunch of other 60 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: So so anyway, that got to be a thing, and 61 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 3: Notice and I would connect every now and then. And 62 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: we had this clubhouse guy in Houston, Buck Kincaid. For 63 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: all I know, he's still there. Buck loved Andy and 64 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: Maybury in the whole deal. So he said, can I talk, 65 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 3: and they developed a better friendship than I had. He 66 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 3: eould call hell like once a week from the clubhouse 67 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 3: and they'd catch up on all things baseball and Andy Griffith. 68 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: You know, he got the dirt on Aunt B and 69 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 3: he got the dirt on Helen Crump and who was 70 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 3: nice on the set and who wasn't? And yeah, so 71 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 3: they had they had this long lasting relationship. And and 72 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 3: at some point along the way, while I was still playing, Yeah, 73 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: the Andy Griffith fan club decided to do something at 74 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: the ballpark and and honor house. 75 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: And who was there that day? Wasn't there a Barney 76 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: Fife impersonator? Yeah, should get some present the woman who looked. 77 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: Like an I know, I got a signed a picture 78 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: of Otis riding a donkey, you know in May there 79 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: in character you know, and uh, I can't remember who 80 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 3: was there. Tend to tell you the truth, I don't 81 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: remember who all the characters were at that time. But yeah, 82 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: there hadn't been a Barney impersonator. 83 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: But Jim, when Hal Smith called you in the in 84 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: the clubhouse that day, did he introduce himself? How did 85 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: he introduce himself? Yeah? 86 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 3: As how? And then you know, I think I think 87 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 3: he immediately jumped to that. I saw that you mentioned 88 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: me in the article, and I thought that was really 89 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: neat and I just wanted to call and reach out 90 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: and say hi, and so I'm a big fan he 91 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 3: because I'm a fan of yours to I'm sure he 92 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: had until he'd seen that article. He probably had no 93 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 3: idea because he had long gone from from Messina he 94 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: left as a kid to pursue his acting career. Yeah, 95 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 3: that was a fun little little episode. 96 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: Calls alls to the clubhouse for for our younger generation. 97 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: That's like today's sliding into DMS. Right, that's like hitting 98 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: somebody up on Instagram and being like, hey, Jim, saw 99 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: your post, would love to chat with you sometimes. 100 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 2: That's so cool that. 101 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: He called the clubhouse and wanted to reach out, that's 102 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: specially Yeah. 103 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: And I was, you know, I was scop smacked its 104 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 3: Hal Smith and told it's the drunk in my world 105 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: my brain. That's a big time star right there, and it's. 106 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: A big it was a big time note for me 107 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: to get into sports illustrated that here Jim de Chase 108 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: in uniform is accepting like an honorary membership to the 109 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: Andy of me. Right, so I send this in and 110 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 2: Peter Carey, who was number two in charge at Sports Illustrating, 111 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: it was while I was there. Jim, he looks at 112 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: the note and he goes, I don't understand this. I've 113 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: never seen this show. No one has ever seen this show, 114 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 2: Andy Griffiths Show. And a bunch of editors had to 115 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: come in say Peter, everyone has seen the show. How 116 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: could you have never seen it? So they finally decided 117 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: to put it in the magazine. 118 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Yeah. Well, and it's funny because my 119 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 3: dad is currently in a nursing home up there in Thessine. 120 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: He's ninety two years old. And I spent a bunch 121 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 3: of the off season up there and spent a lot 122 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 3: of hours in the nursing home, and lo and behold 123 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 3: there was a lot of gunsmoke and then the Andy 124 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 3: Griffith Show being watched in Room one O four at 125 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 3: the Highland Nursing Home. 126 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: Well, Jim, this is not my observation. I heard it 127 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: somewhere else. But I still get a kick out of 128 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: the Everyone in the Andy Griffith Show is single fell Mulu, 129 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: you know Andy Barney, you know Floyd the barber, Goomer goober. 130 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 2: They're all single except for Otis the drug and he's 131 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: drunk every night. 132 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 3: The secret to a happy life. 133 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: He spends every night in jail, and he's the only 134 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: one who's married. 135 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: He's the only one living there full life. The rest 136 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 3: of them are bitter and lonely, sad. 137 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: So my longtime co host, So, I'm a country music 138 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: morning show host now in Philadelphia. I did Vegas morning 139 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: show radio for a long time, and my one of 140 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: my closest friends in the whole world is from Ogdensburg, 141 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: New York. 142 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: It's nice, not. 143 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: Too far from Messina, New York. For those who don't know, 144 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: that is truly upstate New York. Okay, Like I went 145 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: to Syracuse University, and I say, oh, I went to 146 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: school in upstate New York. No, no, no, that is 147 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: central New York to New Yorkers. And when you talk 148 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: Messina and you talk Ogdensburg. As my friend so kindly said, 149 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: I grew up in Canada. 150 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the North Country. Well we like to say, 151 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: we like to say God's Country, but yeah, not upstate 152 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: North to the North Country. And it's it's very quiet, 153 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 3: it's very rural. Asburg. There were bitter rivals back in 154 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: the day. 155 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Yeah, she went to Ogdensburg 156 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: Free Academy. 157 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: Dad. 158 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: She was a great swimmer and she would actually swim 159 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: the Saint Lawrence River. Is that what's up there? 160 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: Right? 161 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: Swimen into Canada and back. 162 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: That was for practice, Jim, speaking of upstate New York. 163 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: Jeffrey went to Syracuse. He's wearing his Syracuse shirt. You 164 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: you went to Lemoyne College. Tell us the story behind 165 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: going there. 166 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, Leamoyne's like the varsity in Syracuse 167 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: is the jv right in Syracuse, New York. I went 168 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 3: to Lamoye. I was when I came out of high school. 169 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 3: I was drafted by the Expos thirteenth round, twelfth round, 170 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: something like that. And it's funny because at the time 171 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 3: college baseball wasn't as big as it is now, and 172 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 3: guys weren't as heavily recruited in Northern New York as 173 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 3: you know, somebody might be now who was in the draft. 174 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: So I was actually drafted by the Expos, but had 175 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: very little contact with any colleges. So it came down 176 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 3: to Cornell or Lemoyne. Lamoyne had a really good Division 177 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 3: two program. Cornell was Cornell, so there was obviously advantages 178 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: to that. And it's funny. When I went to visit Cornell, 179 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 3: it was a beautiful spring day, the campus was buzzing. 180 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 3: The coach was a fellow by name of Ted Thorne, 181 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: and he gave me this whole pitch. The four years 182 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: you're here, our spring trips will be California, Hawaii, Japan, 183 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 3: and Hawaii again. Wow, that's impressive because you'll put on 184 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 3: a corner out blazer, you'll go to these meet and 185 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: greets and you'll get up and talk and you'll network 186 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: with all these, you know, very successful people. I went 187 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: to Lemoy in college and I met Dick Rockwell had 188 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: you know, a minor league playing career and then a 189 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: long career coaching, one of the winningest coaches in college 190 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 3: baseball history. And Rock as we call him, was sitting 191 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 3: at his desk with a folder's coffee can and a 192 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 3: big chew and spitting into it on a gray, drizzly, 193 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 3: ugly day on a tiny campus, went not a soul 194 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 3: walking about, and I was like, this is the place 195 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 3: for me, this is where I want to be. Ah 196 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 3: and yeah, So I ended up at Lemoine, And the 197 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: great part of it is I end up being teammates 198 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 3: with Tom Browning there, who went on to have a 199 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: very successful major league career. And Tommy and I were 200 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 3: rivals in high school up there in the North Country. 201 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 3: He pitched in Malone. Your friend will know about Malone, 202 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 3: your partner. So Tom and I actually had initially committed 203 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: to Cornell, and when I said no to Lemoine, Rockwell 204 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 3: went and got Browning, and then I changed my mind 205 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 3: and circled back. So Tom and I and that big 206 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 3: teammates at Lemoine for three years and we went to 207 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: the Division two World Series a couple of times. So 208 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 3: it was a pretty good run for a very small 209 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: baseball school. 210 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 2: It's amazing. 211 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and as I've been told, like going 212 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: from Ogdensburg and Messina to Central New York is like 213 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: basically going to New York City at that point, because 214 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,239 Speaker 1: it's like when they would take trips to Syracuse. 215 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: It was like a big deal. 216 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: Here we go going to the big city. 217 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,599 Speaker 3: Absolutely, man that Hey, the first time I drove on 218 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 3: that six ninety loop, I said, what is going on? Yeah, 219 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: it was intimidating. 220 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: So Jim, you brought up obviously your very good major 221 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: league career, and you were the first, and Dad back 222 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: check me on this, make sure I have this right. 223 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: The very first pitcher to retire to strike out the 224 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: first eight batters of a game back in nineteen eighty six. 225 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: Do I have that right? 226 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: Dad? 227 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: I believe, although I've seen differing reports, I think Jim 228 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 2: Decha's is the first pitcher ever to strike out the 229 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 2: first eight batters of the game. What is your I 230 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 2: Am I right about that? 231 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 3: Jim? Well, well, you're mostly right about that. It was 232 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: I was the first in the modern era right to 233 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 3: do it. Right. You'll recognize the name Mickey Well of course, 234 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 3: and the way back. I believe Mickey Welch. I believe 235 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 3: Mickey Welch struck out nine in a row to start 236 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 3: a game pitching either four or against the Cleveland Spiders. 237 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 3: And I always claim that you can't have a record 238 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 3: when the opponent or your team is the Cleveland Spumpers 239 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 3: because nobody knows who they are. So I clung to 240 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 3: that that little bit of history, and that since been 241 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: tied a couple of times and then ultimately surpassed Pablo Lopez. 242 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 3: I think has it has nine. But you probably know 243 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 3: the story. I've probably told you the story of how 244 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 3: that that that sequence of games. Yeah, yeah, so this 245 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: was kind of fun. So we were picked probably by 246 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 3: most and probably by your publication too, Tim to finish 247 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 3: fifth that year in the in the NL West. But 248 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 3: we had one of those magical years where we got 249 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 3: contributions from a lot of guys we didn't expect to have. 250 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: So we're coming down to the wire and we're gonna 251 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 3: we're going to win the division. It's late in the year, 252 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: it's late September, and i'd been actually on the shelf 253 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 3: for a little bit, missed the starter or too with 254 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: tender elbow. Anyway, I'm starting against the Dodgers. I strike 255 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: out the first eight guys. They were probably hung over, 256 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: just interested, I don't know, you know, somebody at the 257 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: center field probably was flashing it light in their eyes. 258 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 3: But anyway, I strike out the first eight guys, ended 259 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: up pitching a two hit shutout, and the next night 260 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: Nolan Ryan pitches. Nolan pitches and he's a one hit 261 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: ball and strikes out fourteen. So after the game, I'm 262 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 3: in the clubhouse and I'm shaving on next to all 263 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 3: in Ashby our catcher, And I said, you know, Ash 264 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 3: Nolan's got to do that, right. I mean, this is 265 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: my shining moment, my one shining moment. He's got a 266 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 3: billion of them, could he not? You know? Does he 267 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: have to come out here and show me up? And 268 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: and Ashes I got a feeling Scotty referring to Mike 269 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 3: Scott is going to show you both up. And the 270 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 3: next day Mike comes out and throws a no hitter 271 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: to beat the Giants and that clinched the division. So 272 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 3: we go two hitter, one hitter, no hitter on successive 273 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 3: days to clinch the division. In as re perfet of it, 274 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 3: I mean, because when you say I think he's going 275 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 3: to show you both up, there's nothing but a no 276 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 3: hitter that's going to beat the one hit eight fourteen 277 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 3: strikeout game. 278 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: First guy in modern history to strike out the first eight. 279 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 2: And you were like third on the total ball. 280 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 3: For the Yeah, barely get a brons It's it's like 281 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 3: an afterthought. 282 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, they forgot about to you. 283 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: By the Sunday notes that that, Jim, do you remember 284 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: the eighth straight Dodgers that you struck out? 285 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: You can't do that after all these years. 286 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 3: Can you no, Steve Sacks was laid off. Remember that 287 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 3: Reggie Williams was in there somewhere. 288 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: A second fourth. Enus Cabell hit third. 289 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 3: Uh, Reggie Williams mentioned h. 290 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: Hit second, So you got the first, Anderson hit seventh. 291 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: Wait to go, Jim, this is really impressive. Yeah, that 292 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: was the catcher. He had the fifth, the third baseman, Alex. 293 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna quiz you anymore. Jeff Hamilton hits, Jose 294 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: Gonzalez hit eighth, and they pitch hit for the pitcher. 295 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: And do you remember who the pinch hitter was? 296 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: Oh? 297 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I sure do, Larry, see you, Jim. Yeah, he 298 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 3: popped up the second base on a two two perch. 299 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: We look at this. It was nineteen eighty six. You 300 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: had a chance to drag out the first nine batters 301 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: of a game, and you got seven of the nine. 302 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 3: Right. 303 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: That is so cool? 304 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you know when you like again one shining moment, 305 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 3: you're gonna cling to it. So you know, I just 306 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: every night I go to bed and I look at 307 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: that lineup card and go, man, wasn't I senting that? Jim. 308 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 2: Another distinction that you had and help me with this, 309 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: is you threw over to first base like more than 310 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: any pitcher, like in a season. I'm going to be 311 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: wrong on this, but I'm gonna be semi closed. And 312 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: you once through to first base like three hundred and 313 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: thirty seven times and pick off? Have I got that right? 314 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: Am I close to that? Am I in the ballpark 315 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: with that? 316 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 3: Yes? It's in the three hundreds, it's in the three hundreds. Yeah. Well, 317 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 3: a lot of base runners with a lot of opportunities. 318 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: And Jim in Montreal, I remember when when you would 319 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: when anyone would throw over, wouldn't they put like a 320 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 2: chicken up of the scoreboard, Like you're such a chicken 321 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: you won't even throw it to the plane? 322 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? 323 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: Am I right about that? 324 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: Yes? And you know, you think about that old scoreboard 325 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 3: at Olympic Stadium and what not, the modern graphics we 326 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: have today. So it was these little yellow light bulb 327 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 3: chickens that would they they put the chicken noise and 328 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 3: they'd move across the screen and then they kind of 329 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: hang there from like a clothesline, is what I recall. 330 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: And and me being just a little bit of a contrarian, 331 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: I say, well, you want chickens, you're gonna get chicken. 332 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: So I just kept going. I was like, to hell 333 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 3: with the game, who cares what's happening in the game. 334 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: I'm going for the chicken record and I want to. 335 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 3: I think I got maybe sixteen of them. I mean 336 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 3: I think I you know, yeah, I think I threw 337 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: up a lot of chickens. And I had to be 338 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: so annoying to play behind right when that was going on. 339 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: I didn't even think about that like then, but as 340 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: a broadcaster now watching oh my god, catch. 341 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: Steve Traxel was the slowest worker ever and once Mark 342 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: Grace screamed at him, Pitt, throw the ball. It's hot 343 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 2: out here, and he was on his team. He was 344 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: the first basement. He was yelling episode picture. So Jim, 345 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 2: no one yelled at you on your tea for throwing 346 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 2: over the first you know, I. 347 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: Would imagine they talked behind my back. They probably went 348 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 3: to the manager or anything we can do about this guy. 349 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 3: But they were two professional they like nobody wants to 350 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 3: interfere with anybody else's what they're doing out there. They 351 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 3: probably should have. And I think Chris Welsh he may 352 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: have made a run at that record too. I think 353 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 3: Chris threw over there on Chris, not my season, single 354 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 3: season by my chickens, Jeff. 355 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: Which I hold Welsh another soft throwing left handed like Jim, 356 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: although Jim to Chase grew harder than Chris Welsh, but 357 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: both of them were successful pitchers, Jim really successful. And Jim, 358 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 2: you got a vote for the Hall of Fame. Would 359 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 2: you please explain that whole story? 360 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 3: Shameless campaigning and a column messed with me to the column. No, 361 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 3: So here's here's how that went down. I didn't even 362 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 3: know I was eligible. But apparently if you play parts 363 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 3: of ten minutes whatever whatever that criteria is, you know 364 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 3: parts of ten Menus League seasons, you're on the ballot. 365 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 3: And every year when they put the ballot out, you'll 366 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 3: see the voting and there's always guys who get no votes. 367 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 3: So when somebody brought it to my attention on a 368 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 3: radio interview, Hey, you're on this Hall of Fame ballot, 369 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 3: and I said really, And I said, I just I 370 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 3: just want to get one vote. I don't want to 371 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 3: get shut out. I know I'm not a Hall of Fame, 372 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 3: not even close, but I'd like to get a vote. 373 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 3: That would be fun. So Chuck Pool, who you know, 374 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 3: is in our media relations department back then, and the 375 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:55,239 Speaker 3: Sanders Twins, they were also working for the shows at 376 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: the time. They decided to start a campaign on my behalf. 377 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 3: They called me and they asked me, we have permission. 378 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 3: It's all gonna be tongue in cheek. We're gonna have fun. 379 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: They called it one Man, one Vote. They set up 380 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 3: a website and uh, they really went to town promoting 381 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 3: it and John Lopez, who wrote for the Houston Chronicle 382 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 3: at the time. John ended up writing a column which 383 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 3: in which he said he either had already voted for 384 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 3: me or was going to vote for me, but he 385 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 3: supported it by saying, Jim Desha's represents kind of like 386 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 3: every man. Every every we all dreamed about it, being 387 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 3: a big league ball player. We all wanted to get there, 388 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 3: have fun with it. He's not a real hell famer, 389 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: but I want to give him one vote to just 390 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 3: because in his mind, I've represented the mainstream or the 391 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: body of major league players who never you know, would 392 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 3: whatever reached that level. So I got, I got the 393 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 3: one vote, and I got it got a fair bit 394 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 3: of attention. Some some people got the joke. Some people 395 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 3: were really offended by it. So you know, it's I 396 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 3: just had. My biggest fear was in starting this campaign 397 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: that a whole bunch of you writers will go, I 398 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 3: want me to be the guy that gives him a vote, 399 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, I gives enough votes and 400 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 3: then I go, oh my god, Now what do I do? 401 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 2: Jim, do you have like a memento of John Lopez's column? 402 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: Is it framed somewhere? Do you do you have the 403 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 2: voting somewhere framed in your house to vote for the all? 404 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 2: I do not. 405 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 3: It's probably the columns, probably in a box somewhere with 406 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 3: other scrap book type memorabilia. My neighbors in Houston at 407 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 3: the time, they came walking down the street with balloons 408 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 3: and confetti and so, yeah, we had some fun. 409 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: That's so good. All right, So, Jim, you were a 410 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 2: terrible hitting pitcher. We're not going to hide the fact 411 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 2: here you hit eighty eight in your career. You've laughed 412 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 2: about this many times with me. Just explain your troubles 413 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: at the plate in the big leagues. I know, the 414 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: pitching is like no one's ever seen anything like that before. 415 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, lack of speed, lack of cower. 416 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 3: We're two big pieces of my skill set. The only 417 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 3: when I really hit the ball hard, it was usually 418 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 3: over the third base, Duggy. I was a left handed hitter, 419 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: and even I remember when Yogi was coaching. Yogi Bear 420 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 3: was was our coach for a time in Houston, and uh, 421 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: I was taking VP. I think it was in Chase 422 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 3: Stadium one day and I'm popping it up into the 423 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 3: cage and hitting little and Yogi, the sweetest man on earth, 424 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 3: he just got shaking and said, get that hell out 425 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 3: of there. He's basically land me out of the cage 426 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: here in DP, I was the starting pitcher that night. 427 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 3: He's like, you're supposed to be pumping me up, Yogi, 428 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: But yeah, I have the record for most at bats 429 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 3: without an extra base hit. That's mine. Uh now that 430 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 3: we have DH in both leagues, that'll be mine forever 431 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 3: there's a rule change. I came close. I feel like 432 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 3: in my heart, I came close once or twice because 433 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 3: I hit a little roller right down the third baseline 434 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 3: and it kind of trickled in the left field. But I, 435 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 3: you know, head down running. I wasn't smart enough to think. 436 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 3: I was just you know, pumping my legs and the 437 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 3: side was like halfway to the right field by the 438 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 3: time I realized that the third baseman didn't didn't feel 439 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 3: the ball. And then maybe maybe the biggest highlight of 440 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 3: my hitting career is in spring training one time I 441 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 3: hit a ground ball at the second base off Ramone Martinez, 442 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 3: and that might be the only time I ever pulled 443 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 3: the ball against a big league pitcher. So that was like, 444 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 3: that felt really cool. It felt like a normal hitter 445 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 3: kind of out. 446 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: And Jem and his paper. Martine is his brother, and 447 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: he was almost as filthy as his brother when it 448 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 2: came to Grendtoff and Jim Descha's pulled a ground ball 449 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: against Ramon Martinez. That's pretty impressive. 450 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 3: I turned in around. It's probably a change up and 451 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 3: the closest. 452 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 2: You ever came to hitting a home run, Jim in 453 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 2: the big leagues anything anything even close. 454 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 3: No, I never I'd never hit a home run in 455 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 3: batting Proctor. No, I mean, you know, I will say 456 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 3: in my defense. Nineteen ninety two, I spent half a 457 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 3: year at the Padres and Jimmy Snyder was the coach there, 458 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 3: and he worked us pretty good. He get us into 459 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 3: the cage like the day before you were to start 460 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 3: and he throw me some good VP with you know, 461 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 3: and I felt like I swung the bat pretty well 462 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 3: that year. I got a couple of hits. I had 463 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: one year where I got nine hits, and on the 464 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 3: final day of the year, I had a bet against 465 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 3: Mike Scott that I would get ten and I had 466 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 3: a pretty decent line drive to left field and I 467 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 3: think Joel Youngblood was left fielder for an out, so 468 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 3: I didn't get my tenth hit. But I also had 469 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 3: a year I think I went two for fifty two 470 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 3: one year, yeah, which I mean, come on, I could 471 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 3: probably go two for fifty two. 472 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: Jim, you may have gone two for fifty two, but 473 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: you also were able to draw a decent amount of water. 474 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 2: You walk twenty three times with an eighty eight average. 475 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 2: That's pretty impressive, isn't it. 476 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 3: I said, you know, I think early one of my 477 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: first games, I drew a basis loaded walk against David 478 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 3: Palmer and drove in a run and I think he 479 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 3: got released like the day after, which I felt like 480 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 3: that that's on me. I think I think that was 481 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 3: my fault. But it wasn't like I had this great 482 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 3: eye and I was working at bats, you know, I 483 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 3: probably fouled a couple of pitches off and just you know, 484 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 3: happened to end up walking. Wasn't my plan him. 485 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: I've said many times though, hitting in the big leagues 486 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: and hitting in high school is a completely different thing. 487 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 2: They have nothing in common. Were you a good hitter 488 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 2: in high school or were you not even a great 489 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 2: hitter in high school? 490 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 3: I was, you know, I hit in the middle of 491 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 3: that in order. In high school. You know, I probably 492 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 3: hit for a good average. My claim to fame is 493 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: I took I hit a home run off my good 494 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 3: buddy Tom Browning future made leaguer. Again comes with some context. 495 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 3: Sinking line drop to the left field at the left 496 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 3: field and misplays in a no fence. This in northern 497 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 3: New York. The ball rolls down a hill, so I 498 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 3: had the leg out. I had the leg, you know, 499 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 3: so left field is like fighting cows for it to 500 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 3: get the ball shield back here and I circled the basis. 501 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 3: But that was always my claim to fame because Tommy 502 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 3: and I we had we had a fun rivalry with 503 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 3: that stuff. Jim. 504 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: I was a little league umpire, and some of my 505 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: favorite things that I had to do was established ground 506 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: rules and. 507 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 2: We I feel like I umpired it so many ballparks. Okay, 508 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: if it hits the. 509 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: Stream that's only a hundred yards in right field, it's 510 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: an automatic double. If it hits the house in center, 511 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: it's a trip. Like we had to come up with 512 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: the most obscure rules just so we can play little 513 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: league baseball. 514 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: And that sounds like one of those rules. If it's 515 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: down the hill. 516 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked like like when you're playing you know, 517 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 3: kids and playing, Yeah, hitting a tennis ball up against 518 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 3: the school, and if it hits this high on the wall, 519 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 3: it's a double. If it hits this high, it's a triple. 520 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: And yeah, one of those deals. We had a game 521 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 3: and we had a team in college. I don't know 522 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 3: if it was Kuts down state, some some school in 523 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 3: Pennsylvania where the baseball field back down to the football field, 524 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: and it was so short to right field, like from 525 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 3: the foul pole to you know, right center. You could 526 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: hit it six hundred feet and it's going to be 527 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 3: a double because it was so short to begin with, 528 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 3: you know, it was like one and then it would 529 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 3: you know, flare out. So if you hit it out 530 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 3: that way, it was a legitimate home run. But yeah, 531 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 3: you have to kind of make do Jim for all of. 532 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 2: Your pitching and your terrible hitting. You you also joined 533 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: the Chris Berman nickname club. And I'm wondering if you 534 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 2: remember Chris Berman, who had the greatest nicknames ever for players, Bruce, 535 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 2: I mean Bert b home blid Levin. You remember yours, 536 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 2: of course, right? 537 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 3: Oh? Sure, yeah, Jim. Two silhouettes on the shades on 538 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 3: the chase based on the Herman hermits too, silhouettes on 539 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 3: the shades, right, yeah, that was reach. 540 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: We didn't most of them, but I love that one. 541 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that took it. That was the next level. And 542 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 3: He's so People Magazine did an article on Chris and 543 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 3: his nicknames and at the time, they asked him to 544 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 3: lift his top five or ten or whatever it was, 545 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: and and he listed that one among them. And and 546 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 3: you know, my wife was like, hey, you made People magazine. 547 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 3: And I was like, well, Chris, I actually made People 548 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 3: magazine stories about him. My name just happens to be 549 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,239 Speaker 3: in there. It's like, you know that she was more 550 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 3: fired up about that than had I been on the 551 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 3: cover of s I or something like look at that. 552 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 3: You know you're you're a crossover sensation. 553 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 2: But Jim, that was kind of an honor to be 554 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: in the top ten of Chris Burman's nicknames, right. 555 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and I still I still Every now and 556 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 3: then people will refer to it, you know, people of 557 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 3: a certain generation, remember, we'll you know, refer to me. 558 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 2: As to Oh really they still do after all this time. 559 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 3: People, Yeah, yeah, people will still you know, bring it up. 560 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: And yeah, Boomer was famous, Mike Aldretty was was Mike 561 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 2: enough Aldretty? What's his nickname? There were there were ri right, Oh, 562 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 2: there were so many good ones. 563 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, so. 564 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: Wasn't there one that was like innocent until proven gosh, gilt. 565 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 2: Gilky, innocent until proven guilty. Very good, Jeff, you're way 566 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: too young to remember that. I was in fifty doubles 567 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 2: one year. That's pretty darn good. 568 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 569 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: The Internet is a beautiful thing where it brings up 570 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Now, Jim, obviously we're talking broadcasters. You 571 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: are a broadcaster with former guests of the show and 572 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: dear friend of ours, boog Shambie. You guys get to 573 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: do these games together there tell us. I think the 574 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: art of calling a game and the relationship as a 575 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: radio guy myself not a Baseball play by play guy. 576 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: But that relationship is so important, and there's so much 577 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: time spent together. There's so many conversations that go in 578 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: different directions. 579 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: What is it like being in the booth the two 580 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: of you together. 581 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a dream. I mean, he's really 582 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 3: easy to work with. We have the same sensibility, you know, 583 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 3: when it comes to the game. We're into the modern analytics. 584 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 3: You know, we'd like to have fun. We'd like to 585 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 3: play around, probably more so than some people would like, 586 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 3: you know, I imagine, I imagine if there's you know, 587 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 3: if there's people grousing about our show, it's we go 588 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 3: off the rails, probably a little more than they would like. 589 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 3: But you know, it's just it's who we are and 590 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 3: it's always been my position, and I think you guys 591 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 3: would agree. We play one hundred and sixty two games, 592 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 3: so this isn't football, and a lot of goofy things happen, 593 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 3: and so we're just we're trying to create an atmosphere 594 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 3: where we're drawn people into our world and we're sharing 595 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 3: you know, it'd be like if you're hanging out with 596 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 3: some buddies watching the game. There are times when you're 597 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 3: gonna be locked in on the action because that's what's 598 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: captivating you. And there are times you're going to be, 599 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,479 Speaker 3: you know, spitballing about something else that's going on over here, 600 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 3: because at that particular point, the game isn't all that exciting. 601 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 3: So you know, you speak to so many different masters, right, 602 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: people have people if they want to hear the modern analytics, 603 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 3: they don't want to hear it. They want you to 604 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: goof around. They don't want you to go around. So 605 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 3: all you can really do is just be yourself and 606 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 3: hope it's good enough for most of the people. 607 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: And one time you went off the rails, Jim, You're 608 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: gonna have to fill in a bunch of blanks here. 609 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: But Jeff, this was twenty twenty one, and I hope 610 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 2: I got this right. Boog is doing the game and 611 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: Jim's sitting right next to him, and Boog goes like this, 612 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: and Jim says what And Boog says, Ryan Tapara picture 613 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: for the Cubs. He he looks like someone take it 614 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 2: from here, Jim, what happened? 615 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 3: Then? Yeah, So they get a tight shot of Ryan 616 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 3: and I go kind of looks like my other Randy 617 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 3: Boom Boo's lost his mind. It just didn't It just 618 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 3: tickled him. And uh, in that moment anyway, the shot 619 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 3: we had of him, he looked a lot like my 620 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 3: cousin Randy was. You know, I grew up in the 621 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 3: see in New York A you're older than me. And yeah, 622 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 3: that's just sometimes the stuff that comes into the head 623 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 3: and you don't filter and it comes out and and 624 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 3: like later on at night you're going to bed. Did 625 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: I really say that that I really choose to sing 626 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 3: at that point in the telecast? You what an idiot? 627 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I'd rather swing and miss a 628 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 3: few times trying to have fun then then just play 629 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 3: it straight down the line. But and Books Books such 630 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 3: a great partner because he knows, you know, he just 631 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 3: he loves to laugh and he gets it. 632 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: Jim, you're in good company because swinging and missing is 633 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: what our podcast is all about. 634 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 3: Swings and chokes all the time. Right. 635 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: We have more reaches here than more stretches here than 636 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 2: William mc he believe me, Jim. Yeah, but didn't you 637 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 2: say about Ryan to Para he's got a better slider 638 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: than my cousin Randy. 639 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 3: Yes, Randy the slider. 640 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 2: That's so good. So I remember Boog telling me. A 641 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: couple of years later, he goes to do a basketball 642 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 2: game and Matt Painter is there. Matt Painter does broadcasting, 643 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 2: and Matt comes up to him goes, look, I'm like 644 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 2: the biggest Cubs fan in the world. I'm legit, and 645 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 2: he says to Boog, I know who cousin Randy is, So, Jimdy, 646 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: cousin Randy talked to you about all this that you 647 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: kind of made him famous just because he looked like 648 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 2: Ryan to Para. 649 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: I think I've probably seen cousin Randy once since then 650 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 3: and it didn't come up. And I have no idea 651 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 3: Cousin Randy is aware of the impact that he had 652 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 3: on on our broadcast. You know people back then. I'm 653 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 3: sure somebody has mentioned it to him, but I've never heard. 654 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 2: All Right, Well, before we before where we get to 655 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 2: the final part of this, just tell us about the Cubs, Jim, 656 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: and what you've seen this year. I mean, they're a 657 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 2: pretty darn good team. Just give us a quick scouter 658 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 2: report on what you're seeing from the Cubs. 659 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been really impressive, scoring a ton of runs. 660 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: The schedule early on was really tough with a lot 661 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 3: of Dodgers anddres Diamondbacks. When the season started the August 662 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 3: kind of of the mind, if this team is five 663 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 3: hundred at the end of April, bully for them, and 664 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 3: they've far out played that. They went up against that 665 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 3: tough schedule and played very well despite injuries to Justin Steele, 666 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 3: who's done for the year, Showdy Monaga, who's out right now. 667 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 3: Ian has got a little blake thing, but I think 668 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 3: he'll be back soon. The starting pitching has been really good. 669 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 3: The bullpen has kind of had to fight through some issues, 670 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 3: but the lineup is dynamic. They steal a bunch of bases, 671 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 3: they hit home runs, they slug, they walk. Picrow Armstrong 672 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 3: has been unbelievable. Kyle Tucker has been in a little 673 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 3: bit of a funk here for the last two three weeks, 674 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 3: but he started lights out, was, you know, one of 675 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 3: the best players in the league for an extended period 676 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 3: of time. So they'll they'll continue to score. There's no 677 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 3: doubt in my mind there'll be one of the highest 678 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 3: scoring teams in the league when all of a said 679 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 3: and done, and if they can avoid any more big 680 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 3: injuries to their pitching, staff. They're going to be in 681 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 3: great shape. 682 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 2: And Jeff, my favorite baseball name is on the Cubs. 683 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 2: Do you want to explain that to Jim Deshay so 684 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 2: he can learn something from us. 685 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: Carson Kelly is my dad's favorite name. Can't say favorite player, 686 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: can't play favorites here, but his grandson, his first these 687 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: three grand kids, the very first one named Carson, and 688 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: my dad's my sister, my dad's daughter. 689 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: Carson's mom is Kelly. Carson Kelly. 690 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 3: Oh wow, so that's an easy thing he has to. 691 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: Carson Kelly hit for the cycle out of the nine 692 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 2: spot this year, first guy to ever do that in 693 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: the month of March, and then he had a couple 694 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: of other amazing games. This is what tickles me. Every 695 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 2: time we see Carson Kelly have a big day, I'm thinking. 696 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 3: Well, he's been unbelievable too. He's you know, he's a 697 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 3: thirty year old player, so there's a track record of 698 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 3: who he is as a player, and all of a 699 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 3: sudden he's turned into you know, Albert Poohole's at the plays. 700 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. 701 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 2: Jim, isn't this the beauty of baseball? Kidding aside that 702 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 2: the light seems to have gone on for him after 703 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 2: ten years in the league and age thirty, that he's 704 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 2: doing things he's never done before. Is that not one 705 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 2: of the great beauties of baseball? 706 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 3: Right? And it's contrary to what we always say, right, 707 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 3: we always say, well, the back of the baseball card 708 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 3: is going to show up. Usually we say it when 709 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 3: a player is scuffling and we know him to be 710 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 3: a good player. Sooner or later, the numbers are going 711 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 3: to be there. And that does hold true most of 712 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 3: the time. What makes the game so much fun is 713 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 3: it doesn't happen all the time. They are all liars. 714 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 3: Guys figure something out, or they just the way they're used. 715 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,959 Speaker 3: They get on a roll, they getucked in mentally, whatever 716 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 3: it is. Guys have outlier seasons and then and you know, 717 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 3: win a championship. You need that. But it is one 718 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 3: of the one of the really fun things about baseball. 719 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 3: And that that's the other thing too, is when you 720 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 3: play one hundred and sixty two games, you have to 721 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 3: have a bit of humor, right, You have to be 722 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 3: able to roll with the ups and the downs. And 723 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 3: I was thinking about this the other day. In our sport, 724 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 3: when you're getting beat eighteen to two in the ninth inning, 725 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 3: You're going to bring in an outfielder to pitch and 726 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 3: everybody on your team is going to have a belly 727 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 3: laugh watching him pitch, even though you're getting your butt kick. Now, 728 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 3: can you imagine a football game where you're getting beat, 729 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 3: you know, sixty three to seven. Hey, let's take the 730 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 3: center and put him at quarterback, and that'll be a riot, 731 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 3: you know, and the coach is over there with the 732 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 3: heads of that on's going to be yucking it up. 733 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 3: And you know, that's just that's it's it's only baseball 734 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 3: that that that happens. 735 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 2: You met, well, I mean if Garret your premian suddenly 736 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 2: was putting it as a quarterback, I mean, it's just 737 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: not gonna look right. 738 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, It's just yeah, it's And I think 739 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 3: that's the beauty of the game, the everyday opportunity for nonsense. 740 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 3: This is one of the great things about the game. 741 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 2: And then you have games like that, Jim. 742 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: And then you have games like Game seven of the 743 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: World Series in Cleveland. 744 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,240 Speaker 3: I was there watching the game, and yeah, you ride 745 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 3: the highs and lows and the interesting start from that game. 746 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 3: I was in a suite with some people from the 747 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 3: Cubs front office, my wife and I and you know, 748 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 3: there was a lot We ate the Lucky Cake before 749 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 3: the game, and you know, there's obviously a lot of excitement, 750 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 3: and then Cleveland takes the lead. We have the rain delay. THEO, 751 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 3: THEO Epstein, had been sitting in the stands watching the 752 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 3: game from behind home play. THEO comes into the box. 753 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 2: We ran. 754 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,919 Speaker 3: Nobody wanted to talk to THEO. It was like, there's 755 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 3: so much tension. Everybody's like, you know, when you don't 756 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 3: want to get called on by the teacher. Yeah, he 757 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 3: came in. He was human and we're all trying to 758 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 3: not make eye contact with him. But thank god things 759 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 3: ended up. 760 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: Jim, we could keep you all day, but we have 761 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: to leave with Since we started with The Andy Griffith Show, 762 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: and since we have a team tim during every broadcast 763 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: that we do, you saw the All Pope team. 764 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 2: Apparently you've got to kick. 765 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 4: Out of that. 766 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 2: So in your honor and in honor of Hal Smith, 767 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 2: Otis the Drunk, I came up with the All Andy 768 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: Griffith Show team from major leaguers, using their first names only, 769 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 2: because that's how they're always identified in the show. So 770 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 2: We'll start out in the outfield, of course, with Otis Nixon. 771 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 2: After Otis the drunk, we have Andy Van Slight after 772 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 2: Andy Taylor, Sheriff Andy Taylor. And by the way, a 773 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 2: few years ago in the playoffs, Jim, that guy Sheriff 774 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 2: the picture Sheriff faced Chris Taylor. 775 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 3: So we had a Sheriff. 776 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 2: Taylor at bat, which tickled me to know Ryan Sheriff 777 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 2: against Chris Taylor. And our third outfielder is John Mayberry Junior. Oh, 778 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 2: so we've got in the city. Our catcher is Emmett Rogers. 779 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 2: Jeff Emmett Clark was the fixed guy. I couldn't find, Jim, 780 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 2: anyone named Goober who played in the Major League, so 781 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 2: I pivoted to Gomer Hodge after Gomer Pile, who was 782 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 2: Goober's cousin. Am I doing okay so far? 783 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Gomer? Yeah? He to Goober out down at walls. 784 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And then they spun off the Gomer Pile 785 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 3: show out right. 786 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,919 Speaker 2: The second baseman is Barney Kotch. And by the way, Jim, 787 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 2: I will never I will never forgive former Cubs manager 788 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 2: Dale Swain because Steven Feife was pitching one day for 789 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 2: the Dodger and he was pitching against the Cubs at 790 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 2: Wrigley and Yes, and for some reason, Dale Swain gave 791 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 2: Darwin Barney the day off, preventing the greatest batter picture 792 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 2: matchup ever, the Barney five matchup. I've been Kim, I've 793 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 2: been waiting my whole life for this, and he decided 794 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 2: to give Darwin Barney arrest. How could he do that? 795 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would have. 796 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 4: I would have gotten into if I'd known that, I 797 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 4: would have gone into the office and mentioned that I 798 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 4: don't know if Dale was in the mood to take 799 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 4: any advice as to what his lineup should be, So 800 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 4: I don't want I don't want to know if you're 801 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:39,760 Speaker 4: flowing Mayberry. 802 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 3: But one of the highlights of my broadcasting career was 803 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 3: in the Astrodome early on in my career. We were 804 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 3: playing the Reds and Jack McKeon was the manager and 805 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 3: he had an outfield of Dimitri Young Michael Franks and 806 00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 3: Chris Stein had a young Frank from Stein's outfield, And 807 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 3: when I was running on my line off that day, 808 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 3: I was like, this is the greatest moment of history 809 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 3: of the sport. This is this will never be surpassed. 810 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 2: I can't believe I got scooped by a left handed picture, Jim. 811 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 2: Those are the things I died to recognize, Young Frankenstein. 812 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that. 813 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 3: Is yeah, it was magic. And there's no way Jack 814 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 3: right this poor manager. Oh my gosh. 815 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,320 Speaker 2: Well, I can't complete the list, but I'm gonna The 816 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 2: third basement is Howard Johnson. Howard Sprague, of course, was 817 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 2: the nerdy guy who worked in one of the one 818 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,839 Speaker 2: of the front offices there. I really had trouble at shortstop, Jim. 819 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 2: Ernest Ryles is my shortstop, and get this so so 820 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,720 Speaker 2: jeff Ernest t Mass is one of the great characters 821 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 2: in the history of the Andy Griffiths Show. And I 822 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 2: kept looking for someone named Ernest in Major League history 823 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 2: who had a middle initial TEA, and I couldn't find him. 824 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 2: And Ernest Ryles does not have a middle name. His 825 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 2: name is Ernest Ryles. And so from now on he's 826 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 2: going to have a middle name. It's going to be 827 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 2: the letter T, so he could be Ernest t Ryles. 828 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 2: And last, and this is the biggest stretches of all, 829 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 2: Floyd Banister is our pitcher, named after Floyd Lawson, the 830 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 2: barber who Jim loved because Floyd was a wildly underrated character, 831 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 2: and this guy didn't play in the big leagues, but 832 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 2: he pitched somewhere. I'm not sure where. Opie Pace was 833 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 2: our pitcher after Opie Taylor. So, Jim, I heard Opie. 834 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 2: I got such a kick out of this. I heard 835 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 2: Ron Howard, who played Opie Taylor, talking on a talk 836 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 2: show once and they were asking him how much money 837 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 2: he made as a child actor in the mid sixties, 838 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 2: and he looked it up and one year Opie Taylor 839 00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 2: made more money than Sandy Kofax. Oh wow, credulous. He goes, 840 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 2: I'm just a little kid playing Opie Taylor and I'm 841 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 2: making more money than the Greatest Picture of. 842 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 3: Seen. That's amazing. 843 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,839 Speaker 2: If this is what I do in my spare time, 844 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 2: I come up with the All Andy Griffith Show TVV. 845 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 3: Well, good, pull on. I was wondering, if you're gonna 846 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,359 Speaker 3: get an ernest Ty Bass in there. 847 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 2: Good, We'll finish with this in that bunk Showalter loves 848 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 2: the Andy Griffith Show more than anyone, and he knows 849 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 2: each episode number, Jim, so if you say citizens arrest 850 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 2: that one, he'll go that was episode one hundred and twelve. 851 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 2: That's how well he knows that show. 852 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 3: So good, it's amazing. Yeah, that's so good. 853 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 2: But but Bunk Showalter did not get a join the 854 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 2: Andy of Mayberry fan club with Aunt b presenting him 855 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 2: a book with a Barney person understanding right there on 856 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 2: the field of the astronoe. Only Jim to Shay's got a. 857 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:09,720 Speaker 3: Magical moment. 858 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 2: This was so great. 859 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,919 Speaker 1: Thank you for taking your time to be a part 860 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 1: of our family. As we say so, thank you again. 861 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 3: This was a blast, my pleasure. And by the way, 862 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 3: you know, the Dolphins of Lamoine almost took Syracuse down 863 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,399 Speaker 3: in basket. That's right. 864 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 2: Thanks for bringing up. 865 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 3: I got and I'm a huge Shue fan though, So yeah, Jim. 866 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 2: We had Jim Beheim on the podcast in April and 867 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,399 Speaker 2: he he could not have been funnier, more charming. When 868 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 2: we talked about golf, we talked about baseball, we talked 869 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 2: about basketball. He grew up loving the Milwaukee Braves. Hank 870 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 2: Aaron was his guy, Warren's mad was this guy. Sandy 871 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 2: Kofax was his guy. Even though Opie Taylor made more 872 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 2: money than he did. 873 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 3: A lot of guys that generation, right basketball guys were 874 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:05,760 Speaker 3: huge baseball. 875 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 2: It was just so nice to meet a basketball guy 876 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,280 Speaker 2: and recognized he had such a wonderful love of baseball. 877 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 2: Also that's because, of course, Jim, it's the greatest game 878 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:17,240 Speaker 2: in the world. 879 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 4: As we know. 880 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,439 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks thanks for making 881 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,800 Speaker 2: us lappen so many times my pleasure. 882 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,320 Speaker 1: Guys, Thank you to Jim Dechase for being our excellent, 883 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: hilarious guest today on is this a great game or 884 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: what He's fantastic? Dad, Everything you had told me fit 885 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 1: is advertised you. You hit the nail on the head 886 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 1: when you told me how great he was. 887 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,840 Speaker 2: Jeff, I will never watch the movie Young Frankenstein again 888 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 2: without seeing about Jim Decha's one of the funniest movies ever, 889 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 2: and Jim Deschase made it even funnier with the story. 890 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:55,800 Speaker 3: That he told. 891 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. 892 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,439 Speaker 1: Don't forget to subscribe wherever you're listening right now, Share 893 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,800 Speaker 1: the podcast with a friend, and as always thinking to 894 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: being a part of our family.