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Speaker 1: Welcome into the latest edition of The Unnamed Show with
Speaker 1: Logan Halson by Brand Whitstein. Today, let's focus in on
Speaker 1: the depth of the team, and we're gonna do so
Speaker 1: in draft version. So we're gonna have to set some
Speaker 1: rules here that you can't pick a starter, or at
Speaker 1: least a known starter, right, Okay, we're looking for spots
Speaker 1: on this team to showcase the depth and the importance
Speaker 1: of those players that we believe they're going to have
Speaker 1: throughout the course of the year. Right, And let me
Speaker 1: just start with this. As you're watching camp, right, what
Speaker 1: are you looking for, you know, outside of the players
Speaker 1: that we know are going to be out there for
Speaker 1: the first series against Jacksonville. Yeah, I think like camp
Speaker 1: is a really interesting time of year obviously because there's
Speaker 1: really forty four guys that are pretty well established. You know,
Speaker 1: probably after the first week at camp, you know who's
Speaker 1: going to be on the team, and like, having been
Speaker 1: a player, you kind of can flesh the roster out.
Speaker 1: So there's like, I don't know, ten spots that are
Speaker 1: really up for grabs and yeah, right, So for those guys,
Speaker 1: it's like what it's the little things, right, It's like
Speaker 1: how do they work at practice, how do they study
Speaker 1: in the classroom, and those things that people might not
Speaker 1: see because you know, when we watch practice it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: here's a big explosive play. That guy's gonna make the team.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, like how is he how's he digesting
Speaker 1: the playbook, how's he finishing? How important is it to him?
Speaker 1: How's he run on special teams? And that's why the
Speaker 1: evaluation for the bottom half of the roster becomes so
Speaker 1: challenging because the evaluation parameters are different. Right, You're not
Speaker 1: I'm not getting if I'm a tight end, I'm not
Speaker 1: getting evaluated against the other tight ends. If if I'm
Speaker 1: the last tight end, I'm getting evaluated against the sixth linebacker, right,
Speaker 1: because we're gonna basically embody the same role on the team,
Speaker 1: so really special team's value. How to me, a big
Speaker 1: thing is just finish, you know, like how they do
Speaker 1: the things at the position that are not necessarily like
Speaker 1: glorified or gratified or whatever. It's like, you know, does
Speaker 1: he finish his blocks? Does he like enjoy doing the
Speaker 1: grit work of the thing. Does he enjoy taking on
Speaker 1: blocks if he's a linebacker, Like, how does he handle
Speaker 1: those things? That shows a mindset and a passion for
Speaker 1: what they're doing in the position. You know, it's only
Speaker 1: the longer I come out of here, the more years
Speaker 1: to come out here. It really is week to week two.
Speaker 1: For younger guys, it's really week to week. Like the
Speaker 1: first week you'll see a player or two and they'll
Speaker 1: catch your eye and then you'll watch them. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a competitive spot, like on this team the secondary
Speaker 1: where you know a couple of younger players are definitively
Speaker 1: going to make the team. So you're kind of watching
Speaker 1: and you're looking for these couple of guys. The next week,
Speaker 1: you'll change your mind. It's like consistency, that's where I
Speaker 1: see it. Yeah, I see consistency and younger players and
Speaker 1: those are the guys that I think are there for
Speaker 1: the long lall. I think it's like the position that
Speaker 1: embodies that probably perfectly is tight end position right now, right,
Speaker 1: because it started off and it was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: these are the three guys. It's you know, Bates cold Turner,
Speaker 1: Curtis Hodges, and then our money is going to be
Speaker 1: the odd man out looking in. But obviously that's changed dramatically, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that that's just again speaking to your
Speaker 1: point like consistency, can you stay healthy, can you put
Speaker 1: good stuff on film? And that's all part of the
Speaker 1: evaluation process at this point of the off season for sure.
Speaker 1: All Right, so our objects are to draft a depth team, right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go in order like a fantasy draft, Okay,
Speaker 1: and then somebody somewhere is good determine who got it
Speaker 1: right the fans correct on social media, they're gonna tell
Speaker 1: us the producer is going to Maddie will do it.
Speaker 1: Who knows, right, Here's the deal. Six positions. Two of
Speaker 1: them have to be skilled position players. Two of them
Speaker 1: have to be lineman, offensive or defensive. Okay, you could
Speaker 1: do two defensive lineman or two offensive linemen. Up to
Speaker 1: you just have to be lineman, a linebacker or a
Speaker 1: dB and then one that they're calling wildcard. Okay, right,
Speaker 1: so that could be anybody. Yeah, right. I have a
Speaker 1: fundamental problem with this start out because I do think, like,
Speaker 1: take a position like running back, there's no definitive starter
Speaker 1: at this point. Well, I was raised my hat to go,
Speaker 1: can I take Antonio Gibson or can I take McKissick
Speaker 1: even right, because like talk about a mismatch weapon within
Speaker 1: the context of the offense, right, Like you know he
Speaker 1: would be starting on some teams. He's got a huge role.
Speaker 1: So again, like Cornelias Lucas, like all those types of
Speaker 1: guys that are fringe starter for maybe another team, Like
Speaker 1: I don't want to shy away from that, but in
Speaker 1: order to win the game, I'm gonna be really hunting
Speaker 1: seeking those kinds of players that I just need to seek,
Speaker 1: like approval. Right now, my first pick would be a
Speaker 1: Totio Gibson. Am I allowed to take him? I would
Speaker 1: say sure, just because like I don't really care, But
Speaker 1: then I would then my first pick would be McKissick. Fine,
Speaker 1: But in order to talk about the depth of a position, obviously,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Williams had a really nice camp so far, probably
Speaker 1: a practice squad type of player, but a guy that
Speaker 1: you feel good about. No. Yeah, but I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: the reason you're not taking Jonathan Williams is because he's
Speaker 1: not He's not going to have like a role, a
Speaker 1: starting role or significant role like as an NFL running
Speaker 1: back today. That's why he's gonna be on the practice
Speaker 1: squad or rotational piece. So again, just from like just
Speaker 1: to give those the depth guys their due, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so right, so all right, So I think then we're
Speaker 1: even here because we took two guys who really are
Speaker 1: starters on the team, but because of I don't know,
Speaker 1: some headlines that got a little out of control about Gibson.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, he's gonna play an enormously prominent role
Speaker 1: on this team, probably a little differently than we like.
Speaker 1: People like me who cover the team probably envisioned it.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's spiraled into He's big bench.
Speaker 1: There's a message being set. Oh my god, he's returning
Speaker 1: kicks and I'm sitting there watching that preseason gave the
Speaker 1: other day, going, oh, that's where he's going to kill
Speaker 1: somebody in space when they get him out of the backfield,
Speaker 1: making catches. You call him a backup ball you want,
Speaker 1: Gibson is maybe gonna have a bigger effect on games,
Speaker 1: running the ball five to ten times a game instead
Speaker 1: of twenty and catching five passes a game where he
Speaker 1: could blow the lid off of the absolute. And that's
Speaker 1: something like when they drive the guy like Brian Robinson
Speaker 1: that you immediately that that thought comes in your head,
Speaker 1: Like even if Brian Robinson isn't the starter technically and
Speaker 1: he's a rotational piece, like he's a pure runner, So
Speaker 1: that him getting more touches helps Gibson because it helps
Speaker 1: you kind of manufacture touches for him where he is
Speaker 1: in space, where where Gibson is kind of that truly
Speaker 1: special player. So yeah, even though he might not be
Speaker 1: the starter or whatever, I do think that is a
Speaker 1: I think I think his role in the offense is
Speaker 1: going to be so much more comprehensive and conducive to
Speaker 1: his skill set, even on special teams too. Right, him
Speaker 1: returning kicks, I think that's an outstanding Okay, you took mckissic,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I mean you should agree with me. Right,
Speaker 1: He's been an enormous impact player, right, right, I also
Speaker 1: agree with you that I'm not really sure how much
Speaker 1: time he's going to see on the field, what his
Speaker 1: role is. Well, it's the same thing with Gibson though, right, like,
Speaker 1: because Gibson in the game was featured heavily in the
Speaker 1: passing game, right, But in real life, the guy who's
Speaker 1: a better rout runner, the guyho's a more accomplished receiver,
Speaker 1: the guy who's got better hands is mkissick. Right, So
Speaker 1: do those touches all of a sudden when mckissicks Helsey
Speaker 1: go back to be mckissicks touches. That's my question for you. Right,
Speaker 1: Gibson in the game gets all these touches in space
Speaker 1: because McKissick isn't there, But when the when, the when
Speaker 1: the big dog, when the second best receiving back in
Speaker 1: the NFL is back in the lineup, how does that
Speaker 1: shake out? And that's to me a huge storyline is
Speaker 1: can you get all the guys the touches they want
Speaker 1: in the context of this offense? So I feel like
Speaker 1: now and my mind might change about this that on
Speaker 1: first and second down, you're going to see Gibson because
Speaker 1: he's a home run hitter, right, mkissick, While he's amazing
Speaker 1: at using other players momentum against them. Yeah, using leverage,
Speaker 1: great route runner, terrific move the chains type of player.
Speaker 1: He's not a home run hitter, right. That's not to
Speaker 1: devalue what he does. I think he's amazing at what
Speaker 1: he does, right, But Gibson, on any one given play
Speaker 1: is the player that potentially takes it to the house.
Speaker 1: Now on third and short, I think I want Mkissic
Speaker 1: on the field. I don't think I want the certainty
Speaker 1: of what he's doing, and I want to move the chain. Yeah, him,
Speaker 1: disagree with you, But I think in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: the guy that's more valuable to an offense is consistent
Speaker 1: rot runner who can win a matchup. Right. I can
Speaker 1: get an empty I can line them up outside and
Speaker 1: say hey, you're you're matching with a back or you're
Speaker 1: matching with a safety. He can win that matchup ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the time, and I can go with the
Speaker 1: football there, as opposed to Gibson, where there's a little
Speaker 1: bit inconsistency with his route running. Yes, he is a
Speaker 1: homewn hitter, right, You get him the ball on screens,
Speaker 1: you get him the ball on like those angle routes
Speaker 1: like we saw in the game things play he did
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. Ye, yeah, like that. There's very few people
Speaker 1: in this team that do that correct, but that don't
Speaker 1: require a high level of rot running, nuance and precision. Yes,
Speaker 1: I understand those situations, But which which players are going
Speaker 1: to be more impactful on the aggregate to the season.
Speaker 1: I'd say the guy who can consistently win your matchups
Speaker 1: and a guy that is a security blanket for Carson
Speaker 1: went touchdown all the Oh. I mean you know, like
Speaker 1: that's the short sided approach by because how many how
Speaker 1: many adr touchdowns have there been, like there's been one,
Speaker 1: and how many third down conversions that have extended drives
Speaker 1: for points? Right, So I'm not anti m kissing. It
Speaker 1: sounds like you are, all right pick number two for me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go defensive back here, Well we can go.
Speaker 1: We have to go skill skill, What are the rules? Okay,
Speaker 1: do not have to go in order can fill in
Speaker 1: anybody at any times mistakes, Go ahead. I am gonna
Speaker 1: go with someone who I think is going to play
Speaker 1: a prominent role in year two. It is not like
Speaker 1: the definitive starter starter because I believe we look at
Speaker 1: our safeties and go McCain curl, I'm gonna take Derek Forrest.
Speaker 1: Short side of I'm gonna take Derek Forrest. Uh. He
Speaker 1: is clearly going to have a large role for them,
Speaker 1: maybe some of this very famous Buffalo nickel stuff that's
Speaker 1: going on. I've seen a major difference in his play
Speaker 1: this year. He's aggressive, he hits. I think he can
Speaker 1: be the type of player that can have an impact
Speaker 1: player on the back end with the way that he hits.
Speaker 1: And I feel like there's a bit a massive difference
Speaker 1: for him from last summer to this summer, and clearly
Speaker 1: with the youth around that unit, he's gonna play a lot.
Speaker 1: So to me, he plays a pivotal role specifically in
Speaker 1: three safety set. Yeah. And if you know, you were
Speaker 1: the one who said that, Like it's about consistency, and
Speaker 1: it's a week to week thing. Like if you look
Speaker 1: at the evaluation this week, the guy who's getting more
Speaker 1: burned there now is Percy Butler. Who I'm gonna pick.
Speaker 1: I'm picking Percy Butler for the defensive back inst tell
Speaker 1: me why, and I'll tell you why. I think Forrest
Speaker 1: ends up playing a more prominent role. Why. What's happening
Speaker 1: is happening, so so again, I if we're just picking
Speaker 1: off like today, I think your pick is fine, Like
Speaker 1: I think it's five pick because I think right now
Speaker 1: he's playing better football. But I think over the course
Speaker 1: of the season, like and that's part of the thing
Speaker 1: with a draft, as you're drafting for potential, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, You're drafting on opportunity, and I think
Speaker 1: the guy with more growth potential is Percy Butler. Right,
Speaker 1: he can play nickel, he runs a four two, He
Speaker 1: hits when he can like, I think that's an area
Speaker 1: of the game where he needs to improve. He can
Speaker 1: fit the runs. He gives you that position flex and
Speaker 1: the speed to play the position flex. I think while
Speaker 1: Derek Forrest is a good football player and there's no
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind that he's going to be a
Speaker 1: solid pro for a couple of years, his ceiling is
Speaker 1: not what I'm looking for in my draft. I want
Speaker 1: more upside, and I think this week Percy Butler is
Speaker 1: shown an opport shown in my opinion, that he can
Speaker 1: do more in the context of this defense than Derek Forrest.
Speaker 1: Ken I think Derek Forrest is a good football player,
Speaker 1: but I think he's limited, and I think that's why
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Percy. Like right now, I think you're right,
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking Week five, who's gonna be playing better?
Speaker 1: And I think it's gonna be Percy Butler. Okay, I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be Forrest's job for the bulk of
Speaker 1: the year. I think Butler is where Forrest was a
Speaker 1: year ago. It is probably about a year away from
Speaker 1: playing a more prominent role. If I was taking a
Speaker 1: Dynasty depth draft right now, I would take Butler over
Speaker 1: Forrest for all the reasons that you just said that
Speaker 1: next year or the year after that, I'm hoping that
Speaker 1: he's a starting safety for them. He's playing a prominent role. Clearly,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be on special teams this year. I think
Speaker 1: he is not that player for them this year short
Speaker 1: of injuries, and therefore, I don't think you're going to
Speaker 1: see him as much as maybe you're anticipating you're gonna
Speaker 1: see him. And the other thing about this week, and
Speaker 1: you can tell me if I'm wrong about this, right,
Speaker 1: I think the backups are playing a ton. It's Baltimore,
Speaker 1: and I think he's just getting ready for the amount
Speaker 1: of reps that he's about to have in a game
Speaker 1: that is not going to really actually carry over to
Speaker 1: what we see on So I'm really glad you brought
Speaker 1: that up because they are doing Baltimore prep, but they're
Speaker 1: also doing like varsity prep too for Jacksonville at this point, right,
Speaker 1: And the guy who's getting the reps with the varsity
Speaker 1: is Percy Butler. It's not the Forrest, right, or it's
Speaker 1: not Forrest, Excuse me. I always want to call him
Speaker 1: the Forest anyway, So I think that there. So what
Speaker 1: I think is, despite what he's shown in practice and
Speaker 1: in the games, I think the coaching staff here thinks
Speaker 1: he's a little bit farther ahead of that where we
Speaker 1: think he's at. And I've talked to coaches. I think
Speaker 1: they're excited about him for the reasons that I'm excited
Speaker 1: about him, and I think if he can kind of
Speaker 1: grow up, I think they want to give him the job,
Speaker 1: and I think that is going to lead to more
Speaker 1: opportunity for him, which is why I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 1: But I do think that this him playing more on
Speaker 1: the starting defense this week shows a thought process that
Speaker 1: is exciting from the staff. And also I think the
Speaker 1: other thing is has cam Crow performed exceptionally well at
Speaker 1: the Buffalo nickel? Has he performed to the standard that
Speaker 1: they want? Obviously he had a you know, coverage bust
Speaker 1: against Carolina, had a coverage bunch against Kansas City. Maybe
Speaker 1: they're trying to solidify his role within the defense as
Speaker 1: that kind of post safety or the traditional safety. Yes,
Speaker 1: and find a guy who can play the Buffalo nickel.
Speaker 1: And in my opinion, after talking to the coaches here,
Speaker 1: they say Forrest has a hard time closer to the the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and would not be good in that role.
Speaker 1: I think Percy Butler has a skill set to maybe
Speaker 1: play more as that pure Buffalo nickel. I think that
Speaker 1: makes cam crowl stuffs an interesting development. This is two
Speaker 1: years of a row at the safeties where they ended
Speaker 1: up maneuvering people to finally get them into a position
Speaker 1: where they were having some effectiveness. I agree with you
Speaker 1: with Curl. I think he might be one of their
Speaker 1: best players on defense, that he'd find the right role
Speaker 1: for right absolutely clearly. All right, my next pick, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go on the line, and I think that this
Speaker 1: guy's going to play an absolutely massive role for this
Speaker 1: team this year. And that's West Schweitzer. Okay, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I don't disagree at this juncture, like I don't
Speaker 1: think that this team can rely necessarily on, especially on
Speaker 1: the interior, a regular productive starting five, that there's going
Speaker 1: to be rotational pieces that are going to happen. Schweitzer
Speaker 1: could be a backup center if you need him to be.
Speaker 1: He can play either guard. He probably starts against Jacksonville
Speaker 1: if he's healthy enough to do so. With Trey Turner's injury,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen him all camp. I think that's almost
Speaker 1: a definitive that that's going to happen. And I have
Speaker 1: a feeling he is going to be for them this year.
Speaker 1: The Swiss Army Knife. They need to keep the whole
Speaker 1: thing together. He feels like a glue guy to me.
Speaker 1: When he got hurt last week. That was the one
Speaker 1: where I went, they're in trouble on the line. They
Speaker 1: need him. Yeah, and I love this pick by you.
Speaker 1: I think it's a great pick because of all the
Speaker 1: reasons you said. Right, he's basically starting. He's basically been
Speaker 1: starting for the last two and a half weeks of
Speaker 1: training camp. He's physical, he's smart, he can play center,
Speaker 1: he can play the other guard. He's the guy that's
Speaker 1: kind of been in there interchangeably with the other pieces.
Speaker 1: I love the pick, but I'm gonna go yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but if I'm gonna pick somebody, I'm gonna go Cornelius
Speaker 1: Lucas here just because I think the tackle depth, Like,
Speaker 1: I think you can get away, Like if we were
Speaker 1: just drafting guards, I think you can get away. You
Speaker 1: can survive with Ciddy Charles, you can you can survive
Speaker 1: with some of these other backup pieces. I think they
Speaker 1: don't have enough tackles on this team, right, And I
Speaker 1: think that that's why Cornelius is so much more valuable
Speaker 1: than West. I'm watching the waiver wire next week when
Speaker 1: teams go down to fifty three. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: out of the realm at all that there's a potential
Speaker 1: interior alignment or a tackle to your point, the right
Speaker 1: one somehow doesn't make a team and is available, that
Speaker 1: they take a look at that. Yeah, because I think
Speaker 1: right now, you've got excellent I think you have excellent
Speaker 1: depth on the inside, right, And I think even if
Speaker 1: Cosmi can play can play guard, I think that's outstanding also.
Speaker 1: So again, it's just it's tackle is more valuable on
Speaker 1: this team in my opinion, because there aren't many of them,
Speaker 1: and because he's a high quality start. I mean, he played,
Speaker 1: he practiced two days last week and had not standing game,
Speaker 1: So that just speaks to kind of the caliber of
Speaker 1: player that he is. And again, I love Wes, but
Speaker 1: this is more just like what I think which position
Speaker 1: I think is more valuable. And I'm gonna say tackle. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay on the line. I'm gonna go the
Speaker 1: other side of the ball. But first let me tell
Speaker 1: you where we are. Let's see, we both cheated. I
Speaker 1: took Antonio Gibson and you took JD. Mckissic, right, which
Speaker 1: we both agree probably are kind of starters. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of not fair, Derek. I mean, yours is probably
Speaker 1: more cheating than mine. But that's okay, yeah, but you
Speaker 1: let me do it. It's not cheating if you allow that. Again,
Speaker 1: that's right. We then went with I took Derek Forrest.
Speaker 1: You took Percy Butler. You like the upside of Butler.
Speaker 1: I think by mid season you might see a lot
Speaker 1: more of him on the field, especially with the speed.
Speaker 1: And it's not that I don't like Forest because I
Speaker 1: think he is a physical for all the things you said,
Speaker 1: but I think I just think the upsides there. And
Speaker 1: then I went with west Schweitzer because I think he's
Speaker 1: going to play a key role in the interior of
Speaker 1: the offensive line, probably playing multiple positions this year. You
Speaker 1: took Cornelius Lucas because you feel like they're gonna need
Speaker 1: help at tall and the tackling is just like there's
Speaker 1: no there's no tackle depth here, like who's your who's
Speaker 1: the other tackle on the team? Yeah you have obviously
Speaker 1: um Leno caused me and who correct and the other
Speaker 1: guys you know, like beat Willie Beavers, all those guys
Speaker 1: that I don't I think they've had good camps. I
Speaker 1: don't think their NFL caliber swing guys. And so you
Speaker 1: need a swing guy. Cordeli is the guy. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay on the line other side of the ball.
Speaker 1: And again this is feels like a cheat because he's
Speaker 1: going to start week one because Chase Young is out.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna take James Smith. Will get out of here.
Speaker 1: That is cheating. He's a starter. You gotta pick somebody else,
Speaker 1: But he's starting if Chase Young was on the team.
Speaker 1: But he's not be starting. If my aunt had a beard,
Speaker 1: she'd be my uncle or whatever. That is, right, Like
Speaker 1: when west Schweitzer's healthy, he will be starting that cheating
Speaker 1: if if Trey Turner's healthy, he's not starting, though, that's
Speaker 1: what That's what I'm saying, and he Chase is different
Speaker 1: because he's on the pup's I could be starting till
Speaker 1: week five. It's fair, Maddie. You can say that in
Speaker 1: the microphones. Just so why is it fair? It is
Speaker 1: fair because Chase Young would be the starter of this
Speaker 1: team and the gay healthy he startin, right. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's that big of a distant him in a
Speaker 1: case too anyway, But go ahead, I'll take James Smith Williams. Clearly,
Speaker 1: there is going to be a lot of attention on
Speaker 1: Montes sweat, I would think from offensive coordinators who are
Speaker 1: going to be protecting because they don't have the other
Speaker 1: freak on the other side of the line. And therefore
Speaker 1: James Smith Williams is going to play a big role
Speaker 1: in determining whether this pass rush and this front is
Speaker 1: as successful as I think we both know they need
Speaker 1: to be. Because frankly, like I still firmly believe this
Speaker 1: team goes as far as that unit takes them, which
Speaker 1: is why I think you're hearing Ron Rivera publicly pressure
Speaker 1: them even in the preseason to say, we want things
Speaker 1: to go this way, we want things to go that way.
Speaker 1: He's pointing out pass rush lanes and that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: He's coming at them publicly to try to get the
Speaker 1: message across that they are a big deal, which makes
Speaker 1: him a big deal for this until Chase comes back,
Speaker 1: whatever date that's going to be. Right. Um yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I don't. I don't deserve I think you're I
Speaker 1: think this is like cheating kind of because he's basically
Speaker 1: been starting since this start. He started all OTA's all
Speaker 1: of training camp, like you let me pick Gibson. Gibson
Speaker 1: is there's a rotational element anyway, I'm gonna go Daniel
Speaker 1: Wise here, and I think Daniel Wise because he has
Speaker 1: shown tremendous potential inside he's flash as a pass rusher. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm playing the game correctly, so I'm going with a
Speaker 1: depth player, not a starter at a position. So I
Speaker 1: understand what it means I win, But I think, no,
Speaker 1: I don't. I disagree with that. Let me do that.
Speaker 1: I want I don't know. Oh, they're gonna pick the
Speaker 1: team that doesn't have Antonio Gibson on it. Okay, I
Speaker 1: think mckissi. We just talked about why. I think McKissick
Speaker 1: is a better fit for the twenty twenty two NFL
Speaker 1: standard of what the NFL is than Gibson is. You
Speaker 1: want big plays, I want consistency. I want first downs.
Speaker 1: I want to extend drives. I want mismatches and if
Speaker 1: you can tell me that flashy touchdowns and yelling touchdown
Speaker 1: way and how many times but times are going to
Speaker 1: happen this year? How many times? Once? It happened one
Speaker 1: time last year on a big, flashy long Touchdow. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, we're just talking ball. We're just talking ball.
Speaker 1: We're just talking ball here. We're just talking ball. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go yeah. Daniel Wise, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of potential, a lot upside are gonna be that fourth
Speaker 1: internal internal piece there. I think he'll play a lot
Speaker 1: of football for this team, much like James Smith, much
Speaker 1: like Casey two Hill. Obviously, Big Phil is a guy
Speaker 1: that I thought about going with here, but I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of cheating because he's you know, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be the starter of the Sinco package. He's your third element.
Speaker 1: He's gonna play a lot of football. So Daniel Wise,
Speaker 1: just to kind of get the name note right out there.
Speaker 1: He's at outstanding camp, outstanding preseason, a ton of pressures,
Speaker 1: and seems to be playing with a kind of nice
Speaker 1: mentality which I enjoy. Okay, this feels like a cheat too,
Speaker 1: so you can I'll let you not let me do
Speaker 1: this if you think this one's unfair. Okay, can I
Speaker 1: pick Curtis Samuel? He's the third guy, right, so we're
Speaker 1: trying to bring Yeah, Maddie, what's the what's the rest?
Speaker 1: I picked the third guy on the depth draft. He's
Speaker 1: starting it at your f position though, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the starter in your as your third receiver.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like Danny is what was the guy's
Speaker 1: name up in New England who started like Westwelker, He
Speaker 1: was like the leading receiver in the NFL. But he's
Speaker 1: the third guy on the roster. Like is that that
Speaker 1: doesn't seem right to me? Do you think they still? Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on before you rule on this, Maddie, teams now
Speaker 1: start Monday night football, not introducing a second tight end
Speaker 1: or fullback that introduce a third wide receiver. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like he's gonna be on the screen
Speaker 1: before the game starts, saying I am starting for the Commanders,
Speaker 1: so I can't pick him. I mean, Maddie's Maddie's judging.
Speaker 1: I mean, with that justification alone, I feel like we
Speaker 1: can't allow it. Okay, that's fine. Can I pick John
Speaker 1: Bates that it is a tough one coach, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go yes, Yeah, because you have to because Logan Thomas
Speaker 1: flex wild card. No, you could be your skill. He's
Speaker 1: your skill skill or your flex wild I guess I'll
Speaker 1: take skill because then it makes it easier for me
Speaker 1: because I could pick anybody with flex wild card. Right.
Speaker 1: But he's he's a skill player, right, you tell me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And he's also hurt though, So does that impact your No,
Speaker 1: because I have a feeling they're just taking it slow
Speaker 1: with him, and I'm hoping that that's what the cases.
Speaker 1: Then he's going to be back. I also think, in
Speaker 1: the same way that I talked about Schweitzer, I think
Speaker 1: he's integral, Yeah, completely totally integral to what they do
Speaker 1: this year. He's going to be there by far best
Speaker 1: blocking tight end that they have on the field. I
Speaker 1: think with all of the concern I have about the line,
Speaker 1: with pieces going in and out, likely some rotational pieces,
Speaker 1: I think he's someone that helps them solidified protection. And
Speaker 1: we found out last year he has hands. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: if Logan Thomas has to be on a pitch count
Speaker 1: or is not coming back really early in the season,
Speaker 1: I think he's an integral player here. So that's why
Speaker 1: I took John Bates. No. I think, like John, I'm
Speaker 1: You're not gonna find a bigger John Bates fan than
Speaker 1: me in this entire building. He's maybe the most physical
Speaker 1: blocker in the NFL. And when you're talking about kind
Speaker 1: of building a run game with, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: this diverse backfield, I think that's huge. You mentioned the
Speaker 1: past protection, which he excels at. You mentioned the hands.
Speaker 1: He's a very well rounded dude, great frame, all the things,
Speaker 1: And I guess I would actually stay with tight end
Speaker 1: as well, and I would go Cold Turner here, and
Speaker 1: I think col Turner because he has hurt as well.
Speaker 1: And again, this is one of those weird things where
Speaker 1: if you're going off of just like the roster today,
Speaker 1: I probably go somewhere else. But just based on what
Speaker 1: he showed in training camp, to catch radius, the physical stature,
Speaker 1: the ability to win one on ones. Again, that's a
Speaker 1: premium for me. Can we create mismatches when we get
Speaker 1: an empty who's matching him? Put that guy and can
Speaker 1: he win in The answer I think is yes, I
Speaker 1: love Bates and he can win in a different way.
Speaker 1: Like if we're in you know, kind of a running formation.
Speaker 1: I know he can be the defensive and I know
Speaker 1: he can be the linebacker in that physical element of
Speaker 1: the game. But if we're trying to find like a
Speaker 1: Gronkowski light type of player who I can line up
Speaker 1: and say, oh I get a man zone, tell he
Speaker 1: can run a deep route, I know he can win
Speaker 1: catch the fade. I think that's a very valuable skill set.
Speaker 1: And again he has hurt. The hamstring thing is is alarming,
Speaker 1: but because it's the second time it's happened, he had
Speaker 1: the same thing happened in OTA's But again, that's a
Speaker 1: guy that I just think he speaks to where the
Speaker 1: NFL is going from a matchup standpoint. If I can't
Speaker 1: go him because he's hurt, I would probably go Campsims
Speaker 1: here like, that's the other guy. Would go with cam Sims, Yeah,
Speaker 1: would be the other if I can't go Cold Turners.
Speaker 1: He falls into the same category that Mkissock falls in
Speaker 1: with me now where I look at him and I go, well,
Speaker 1: I think he could be a really valuable player for them.
Speaker 1: I just don't know how many reps he's gonna get,
Speaker 1: how often he's going to be on the field. I
Speaker 1: think last week we saw what he can be in
Speaker 1: the red zone. Yeah. So, but that's one of those
Speaker 1: guys where I go, I agree with you. I just
Speaker 1: with all of these different pieces this year, I can't
Speaker 1: quite figure out the puzzle yet. Yea. And I think
Speaker 1: also like his chemistry or lack thereof with Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: is significant, right, they just haven't All of his big
Speaker 1: plays have come and stem from his time with Heinecke
Speaker 1: on the field, and him and Carson just haven't seemed
Speaker 1: to jive yet. So that's another thing to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on with him. But yeah, if I'd go Cold Turner,
Speaker 1: if I can't go him, I'd probably go camp Sims.
Speaker 1: All right, wild card, So I can't take Curtis Samuel,
Speaker 1: you finally put your foot down. Yeah, seriously, Oh man,
Speaker 1: this is a tough one. Oh god. I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like there's part of me that's gonna pick somebody
Speaker 1: that may not make the team for your wild card
Speaker 1: and that's that's like, that's a scary move to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is that's ill advised. It is ill advised. That's true.
Speaker 1: A safe A safe pick if someone is going to
Speaker 1: be I don't know, I have no idea where you're
Speaker 1: going with this. So I'm gonna say Milo Eifler. I
Speaker 1: like Milo a lot. I'll take him. Milo Eifler. I
Speaker 1: actually think he might be in contention for the fourth
Speaker 1: spot right now. He just well that's why I'm picking up.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's gonna make the team, so obviously, like
Speaker 1: and I go off of you know, this is just
Speaker 1: me watching. He's on all the special teams unit especially,
Speaker 1: and therefore like that to me is the ultimate sign
Speaker 1: of he's probably at leases in line to make the team.
Speaker 1: And I think we all know that depth at the
Speaker 1: linebacker position is a real, real question. So there are
Speaker 1: three or four guys that I'd be keeping my eyes
Speaker 1: on the entire summer, like Milo Eifler, Trey Walker, who
Speaker 1: retired him back to John you know, like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: watching these guys that I'm going one or two of
Speaker 1: these guys are going to make this team. And Eiffler,
Speaker 1: to me, flashes among them the most speed, Right, So
Speaker 1: I think he's going to play, like because out of necessity,
Speaker 1: he's going to play this year and therefore he could
Speaker 1: And I'm not like looking at it like you're looking
Speaker 1: at Percy Butler, go guy, see the upside. I don't
Speaker 1: know that I see that, but I do know he's
Speaker 1: going to play, and if he has an impact, it's
Speaker 1: going to be invaluable to them. I mean, another interesting
Speaker 1: thing here would be to say, like a guy like
Speaker 1: I like your pick, and I think he's gonna make
Speaker 1: the team. I think he's gonna find a role. Like
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys in the in the third
Speaker 1: preseason game where you're like, oh, like this is your
Speaker 1: you know, the period of the punctuation on the end
Speaker 1: of your very solid offseason. If he plays well, I
Speaker 1: think he's got the job. But you know, a guy
Speaker 1: like Mayo is another interesting one here. I think I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna go Mayo, but you know, he's a guy
Speaker 1: that could start for a lot of teams in a
Speaker 1: situational starter for this team, and I think it would
Speaker 1: be get certain offenses. Yeah, absolutely, ins Tennessee. I think
Speaker 1: he's the guy that's gonna be in there. He's he's
Speaker 1: a little bit less um. He's a little bit more
Speaker 1: specific than Bates, for example, but a guy who's very
Speaker 1: very good at you know, reading his keys in the
Speaker 1: run game, getting guys lined up. Obviously lacking a little
Speaker 1: bit in coverage. But I don't think he's bad there.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't he doesn't like excel. That's why he's
Speaker 1: not starting here. But I'm gonna go with Dax Miln.
Speaker 1: I think from my flex guy, and I think because
Speaker 1: the return ability. He knows all the receiver spots. So
Speaker 1: if there were an injury, I think I could see
Speaker 1: a way where he's playing a little bit um situationally.
Speaker 1: And I think he's just had an outstanding camp. You know,
Speaker 1: he's just been super consistent catching the football, running routes,
Speaker 1: has seems to have a good relationship with not only
Speaker 1: m Heinekey, but also Carson Wentz. So he's a guy
Speaker 1: that I I'm very excited about. All Right, So let's recap.
Speaker 1: Here's what I got Antonio Gibson, John Bates, West Schweitzer,
Speaker 1: James Smith, Williams, Derek Forrest, Milo Eifler. You've got JD. McKissick,
Speaker 1: col Turner, Cornelius Lucas, Daniel Wise, Percy Butler, and Dax Milne.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you really think you're gonna win? Of course,
Speaker 1: because I've drafted better than you, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: So let's see you went. I mean, I have like
Speaker 1: four starters, so that's a little unfair. But the only
Speaker 1: one that kind of irks me a little bit is
Speaker 1: the James one. But I think, honestly, I think I
Speaker 1: have for the offer the type of philosophy that I'm
Speaker 1: trying to embrace. I feel like I have the correct
Speaker 1: offensive personnel. You know, I've got a guy in Dax
Speaker 1: who knows multiple receiver spots can return kicks. You're all
Speaker 1: upside though, You're all upside here, am I though? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean you're upside with Gibson. John is consistent West.
Speaker 1: I'm upside with Gibson. He rushed for a thousand yards
Speaker 1: last year. But I'm saying in the context you're saying.
Speaker 1: I'm saying upside in the context of the new offense
Speaker 1: with Brian Robinson. You're looking at best case scenario for you.
Speaker 1: Should you saying you think he's going to be used
Speaker 1: more than Mkissic. I think it Mkissics will be used
Speaker 1: more than Gibson, and that's why I like my pick
Speaker 1: better there, because I don't I don't think Gibson will
Speaker 1: have the same type of pass catching volume that we
Speaker 1: saw against Kansas City because I think Mkissic will be around.
Speaker 1: I do think there will be plays for him. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he's not gonna make plays. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be at the volume that you think you're
Speaker 1: gonna get here. I think he will have in most
Speaker 1: games as many targets as J. D. McKissick. For I
Speaker 1: don't know he will definitively have more carries than him
Speaker 1: in every game. I don't, so I think he will
Speaker 1: get more touches than Mkissick will on a week to
Speaker 1: week basis one way or the other. What he won't
Speaker 1: be is getting the volume of carries that he got
Speaker 1: in the past. So that's gonna get limited down to
Speaker 1: what five to ten maybe right on any particular day,
Speaker 1: but on targets, there's no way he doesn't receive three
Speaker 1: to five targets a game. Three to five targets a game,
Speaker 1: But like, where are those targets coming from? You? You're
Speaker 1: not going to give John like John's get deserves. Probably
Speaker 1: in the context of this offense, I'd say seven to
Speaker 1: ten Terry probably ten to twelve, right, and then you're
Speaker 1: gonna allocate. So then where's mckissic getting. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying so mkissic at least is in on third downs
Speaker 1: right as a pass protector, He's gonna be running out
Speaker 1: of that kind of three wide receiver set more he
Speaker 1: plays in that set. More, that set's gonna be on
Speaker 1: the field more. So. I mean again, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't want to sound like I'm down on Gibson. The
Speaker 1: thing I'm down on is how does he fit in
Speaker 1: this new use? And that's the big question I have
Speaker 1: for him? All Right, Yeah, I am upside with cold Turner.
Speaker 1: You are upside with cold Turner who hasn't practiced it
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. And listen, like I saw in
Speaker 1: the spring too. Yeah, I haven't seen him play in
Speaker 1: a NFL game yet. I've seen Bates play, and I
Speaker 1: like Bates a lot. Yeah, I took Schweitzer because I
Speaker 1: just think he's gonna be Swiss army Knight for them
Speaker 1: and necessary for them to kind of keep the whole
Speaker 1: thing together. I agree with you, though Lucas is going
Speaker 1: to play a lot. It's prominent role, and they are
Speaker 1: very very thin at down. I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: that's a wash. I mean, just depending on how you're
Speaker 1: looking at that. You squint and you say West is
Speaker 1: more valuable Corn because of the tackle depth. You know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of whichever you're whichever you're looking at. I
Speaker 1: got Chiefs with Williams, who's going to have more sacks
Speaker 1: than Daniel Wise, so I'm gonna look better. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many sacks did have last year, and I
Speaker 1: think he had one. So again, Daniel Wise in preseason
Speaker 1: has already had three or two in a pressure, two
Speaker 1: in three pressures. So a guy who's been able to
Speaker 1: generate pass rush with limited opportunities now, is his role
Speaker 1: going to be that in the season. Probably not, But again,
Speaker 1: a guy that I think has some upside, I got
Speaker 1: Derek Forrest over YouTube Percy Butler. I agree with you
Speaker 1: about the upside. I feel like this is and again
Speaker 1: that this conversation next year, and I'd go I would
Speaker 1: take Percy Butler over there. And again, I think this
Speaker 1: kind of goes back to the Gibson mckisic thing, just
Speaker 1: in terms of usage. I think you think Gibson's going
Speaker 1: to be used more, and that's why you value him.
Speaker 1: I think mcisics and more. I think Butler will be
Speaker 1: used more earlier than I would have thought, even like
Speaker 1: three days ago. Okay, and then I took Milo Eifler
Speaker 1: and you took Dacks Mill and as we think that
Speaker 1: these are guys who won't have prominent roles but could
Speaker 1: have important roles, right, And I think of the two,
Speaker 1: Dacks will probably be more significant because I think he's
Speaker 1: returning punts. Okay, what's the rules? People get to vote
Speaker 1: on this thing now? All right? We want fans to
Speaker 1: decide on our drafts. Man, we got in the weeds
Speaker 1: today with this is good though, Commanders dot Com the
Speaker 1: Depth Draft. If you vote for him, it's only because
Speaker 1: you favor the player, and it's just not there. WHOA,
Speaker 1: it's I don't know about that. It's probably because I
Speaker 1: could do ten pushups. I can do ten push you
Speaker 1: can't do it, right, now you can't do it right now?
Speaker 1: You see I had kiss and you said I can't
Speaker 1: do it. My wrist sharts. So because I had risk surgery,
Speaker 1: it's not my wrist hurts. Can you get push ups?
Speaker 1: Yes or no? Yes or no? Do you want to
Speaker 1: take me to the hospital? Is that what you want
Speaker 1: to do? I don't want to do that. Do you
Speaker 1: want to actually bother our trading staff to fix my wrist?
Speaker 1: We should maybe do something that I shouldn't be to
Speaker 1: go down and get it taped up and then you
Speaker 1: do ted push ups. All right, that's it for this show.
Speaker 1: See what happens next time.