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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: show on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Ali, he is Matt Williamson, and this

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Speaker 1: is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And Matt, we're looking here at Mike.

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Speaker 1: Clay's little projections here on ESPN, and he puts out

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Speaker 1: a chart. He'll tweet this thing out every once in

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Speaker 1: a while. He does it like after free agency, he

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Speaker 1: did it, you know, rape after the draft.

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Speaker 2: And all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: So he has the NFL unit grades across the board.

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to take a look at this a

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Speaker 1: little differently here, like where each team ranks once you

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Speaker 1: take a look at the entire roster offensively, defensively, but

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Speaker 1: I wanted to look at this a little bit differently.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to take the quarter let's take the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: out of the Asian okay, and see how would you

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Speaker 1: how would you rank the rosters in the NFL if

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Speaker 1: you take quarterback out of the equation, Because obviously, even

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Speaker 1: ranking something like this that that plays such a big factor.

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Speaker 1: Obviously it's it's the most important position in the league.

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Speaker 1: Maybe in all the Kansas City wouldn't be one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the Chiefs aren't, you know, if

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Speaker 1: you're if I'm looking here at at Clays unit grades,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, they get a four at quarterback.

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Speaker 2: As they should. That's as they should.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But when you look at the rest of the roster,

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Speaker 1: I mean the running backs are one, the wide receivers

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Speaker 1: are a point nine, that the edge rushers are one

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Speaker 1: point three, the safety positions point nine. I mean their

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Speaker 1: roster isn't as It's not all that.

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Speaker 2: No, right, I mean they gave a four to Kelsey

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Speaker 2: and the O line is good. They have obvious strengths

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Speaker 2: and they have obvious weaknesses, and Mahomes makes a lot

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Speaker 2: of it go away. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So if we just take the quarterbacks at if we

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Speaker 1: take the quarterbacks out of the equation, to me, does

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia have the best overall roster?

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Speaker 2: So you yesterday mentioned this idea, and I've just been

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Speaker 2: kind of kicking it around in my head and didn't

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Speaker 2: know how the best way we were exactly how we're

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Speaker 2: going to approach it. I almost thought the easiest way

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Speaker 2: is how many teams can you eliminate? From the conversation,

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Speaker 2: like I mean it's still not the.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals, you know what I mean, like the Rams, the Colts,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Cardinals, the Titans, the Falcons.

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Speaker 2: I mean like who has no chance you know for

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Speaker 2: that equation.

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Speaker 1: The Buccaneers, the Texans, right, Washington, Carolina, the Raiders. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: the Bears seems like Jacksonville. I mean, they're not going

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Speaker 1: to be in the top five, right right, I mean

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Speaker 1: without Lawrence. You know, well, if we just look at

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Speaker 1: his defensive grades, Okay, that's a good starting point. If

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Speaker 1: you look at this, his number one defense is Miami.

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Speaker 2: Surprisingly enough, Yeah, I think they have a conversation for

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Speaker 2: best team without quarterback too. I'm not saying they're my

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Speaker 2: number one choice, but I think you can have them.

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Speaker 2: They probably are.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at this, they get a

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Speaker 1: two point eight but on his grading system at quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but they have they have the number two roster overall.

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Speaker 2: I get that. I think that's not crazy. Like, my

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Speaker 2: biggest concern with them is their quarterback situation.

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Speaker 1: Quarterback situation. The Eagles get a three point six at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: They're number one overall. Okay, including quarterback, Yeah, that includes quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So I'm looking at the guys that just score well

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Speaker 2: These were the top six defensive scores. Packers came at six,

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Speaker 1: So those teams have to have good overall rosters for

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Speaker 2: Right right, I mean that's half of their roster is

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Speaker 1: It doesn't obviously include the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Right. So I think all those teams are in the conversation.

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Speaker 2: I would probably put Cincinnati in as well. I mean

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Speaker 2: what they were without a quarterback last year. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think they are either, Like his number

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Speaker 1: nine defense is Washington, They're not even close because their

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Speaker 2: I mean it's not like quarterback is a good thing

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Speaker 2: Bays defense high and they have all these first round picks.

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Speaker 2: He hasn't been a good defense for half a decade.

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Speaker 1: And it was more name last year than anything, and

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Speaker 2: I draft them in every fantasy league and they stunk,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean they're the first round pick after

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Speaker 2: first round pick, but the rest of their offense does

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Speaker 2: not have them in this conversation either. Scratch the Packers.

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Speaker 2: If we're gonna even put together like a top five,

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Speaker 2: what about Denver? Yes, that's a good one.

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Speaker 1: I think their borderline top tennish roster.

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Speaker 2: Denver is better than Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Like Kansas City doesn't even rate on this. Like

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Speaker 1: Chiefs and I'm just looking here at Clays rankings, they

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Speaker 1: got a one at running back, a point nine at

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Speaker 1: wide receiver, two point six at tight end, and I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: three point nine I'm gonna get the wrong. Four point

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Speaker 1: zero at tight end. The should say three point five

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Speaker 1: on the offensive line. Is that still the case?

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Speaker 2: Probably not?

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Speaker 1: Two point six on the defensive interior. That's based off

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Speaker 1: one player right right right, one point three on the edge,

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Speaker 1: three point three at linebacker, three point one at cornerback

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Speaker 1: that might be a little generous, and point nine at safety.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's.

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Speaker 1: Okay, right all right, but running back and receiver all

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Speaker 1: you're down, Yo, that's just terrible.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the best O line grades, which I

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Speaker 2: with me too. One way I was thinking about approaching

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Speaker 2: guess who else was I thinking?

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Speaker 1: Coat combinations of both? Dallas is pretty good, Atlanta Atlanta's

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Speaker 2: Their defense isn't. San Francisco is definitely in this conversation though, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: well that's why the forty nine ers are getting so

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Speaker 2: much love this offseason, despite the I mean, their quarterback

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Speaker 2: situation is atrocious and very unclear, right, I mean, if

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Speaker 2: I don't, it's still very unclear who the guy's even

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Speaker 2: It's three options and it does matter a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they might be the answer. I mean, their skill guys

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Eagles have an extremely I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at so Clay's great on San Francisco's offensive line is

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Speaker 1: point eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of get that, though the scheme makes

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Speaker 2: only one out of five, and they lost McGlinchey, they

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Speaker 2: really didn't do much to replace the other four. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of an unreported story. I'm shocked that even though

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Speaker 2: O line, Like one of those third rounders should at

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Speaker 2: I mean there were guys available. I mean, to me,

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Speaker 2: that's the only reason that they're not slammed dunk number

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Speaker 2: one this conversation. Yeah, the Eagles might be number one.

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Speaker 1: I think if I were looking at it, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I would put Philadelphia number one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm not sure where the weaknesses, and

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Speaker 2: I don't even care about hers. I mean, like, backs

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Speaker 2: out lying in the league that the league in sacks

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Speaker 2: last year. Defense looks quite good. I think the Eagles are.

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Speaker 1: One linebacker is a bit of an issue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're projecting on the Kobe Dean to make

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Speaker 1: hundred times. Young young linebackers get manipulated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he does have a point four linebacker and safety, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: which is fair Gary. Yeah, but I'd rather his D

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Speaker 2: line at one point nine I think is too. That

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Speaker 2: I know they lost hard Grave, but they did out

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Speaker 2: Jalen Carter. Yeah, they've got guys. Yeah, they'll be just

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Speaker 2: fine there. Steelers aren't crazy far off though.

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Speaker 1: No, that's why again, we look at these projections. So

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Speaker 2: Back, I'm fine with that, but a two point zero

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Speaker 1: A three point three at tight end.

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Speaker 2: Nice and deserve it. A two point one on the

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Speaker 1: People in Pittsburgh are still the under the idea, the

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Speaker 1: working under the auspices that the Steelers offensive line stinks

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Speaker 1: two point one means it's just above league average.

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, and you and I have

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Speaker 2: had this conversation eight bazillion times. I think last year's

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Speaker 2: OH line was better than a two point one, and

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Speaker 2: this one's like a three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're much closer to that than they

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Speaker 1: are two point one. Mm hm, they get a three.

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Speaker 2: Point real quick, because I was looking at this, because

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Speaker 2: this is back to our Firemoth conversation from last segment,

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Speaker 2: but also Washington, those guys are in that conversation.

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Speaker 1: Only the Niners, Vikings, Ravens, and Chiefs have a better

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Speaker 1: tight end grade. Yeah, I mean that tight end room

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on top of firemis you know, it's as

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Speaker 2: good as it's been.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, three point one on the defensive interior.

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Speaker 2: Which is also top six or seven by the looks

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Speaker 2: of things. Yeah, I'm just looking to see here. Who

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Speaker 2: Atlanta being ahead of them? It's crazy, it's crazy. Jared

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Speaker 1: He's a good player, He's not that good. Yeah. Who

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Speaker 1: else ahead of them? Cincinnati being ahead of them? No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I actually just wrote an article about that in the

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Speaker 1: lead in the division, and I had the Steelers one

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Speaker 1: in the division. Yeah, the tackle at edge they get

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Speaker 1: a three point six, which looks like it's fourth best

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Speaker 1: behind the Viking. What the what do the Vikings have

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Speaker 1: a edge had thirty five sacks last year.

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Speaker 1: Chargers got to show me on the field because they

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Speaker 1: Has Joey Bosa played a full season yet in the NFL?

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Speaker 1: He doesn't carry much weight. I guess he can't. He

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Speaker 2: That's very fair. Yeah, it doesn't have like unlike this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but one point five. Are there any four point

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Speaker 2: They they have one good one. They have one good one. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I still think it's the best linebacker group in the division.

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Speaker 1: I see that's amazing. The Bengals get a two point

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Speaker 1: According to cord to this, Cleveland's really good. Cleveland's yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see it that way. And then the

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Speaker 2: So do you agree with me? Of the five defensive positions,

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Speaker 1: I think linebacker for sure. Yeah, Safety, It depends again

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Speaker 2: Right? Look at the Ravens at the other three most

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Speaker 1: I mean they've they've been a team over the years,

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's troublesome for them, It's very troublesome.

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Speaker 2: They's you know all these I I give them more

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Speaker 2: They vastly overpaid for Odell.

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Speaker 1: Of course they got a one point nine receiver. By

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think that's being generous Odell Beckham, Like,

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'd rather have the Bills receivers. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: If the Ravens went to the Bills right now and said,

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, they wouldn't trade him for Digs.

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Speaker 1: No, straight out, We'll give you R five guys for

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Speaker 2: They would say, heck, no, no, he's a top five

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Speaker 2: to six to seven receiver, you know, right. I just

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Speaker 2: keep coming back to their defense though, edge D line

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's very unraven like, very unraven like. Right,

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Speaker 2: and they're they're counting on like a Jabo and Oway

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Speaker 1: If you look at there, I mean they get a

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Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley's got to play football before I say, still

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think they're giving him a good grade

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Speaker 1: what Ronnie Stanley was four years ago. M yeah, in

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Speaker 2: They lost their guard and right right, it's been a while.

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Speaker 2: That's it, I think.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if we just look at the roster sans quarterback,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean the teams I have check marks

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Speaker 2: I meant I have them here too. I have Dallas

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Speaker 1: But outside of that, I mean, you know, a lot

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Speaker 1: large degree. I mean he's clearly their their best grade

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Speaker 1: but it's average. Yeah in that division. It's good enough

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean I was leading the conversation.

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Speaker 2: two five, like I'm trying to the Rams are a

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Speaker 2: two three. I don't know how I drank the Rams.

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Speaker 2: But if you could move it up one notch, which.

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Speaker 1: If you move up to a two, you move it

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Speaker 2: That's that's New Orleans, CA. That's car right.

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Speaker 1: You're you're a playoff team. Yeah, it's a slim you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a playoff team. I mean, who knows how

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Because here's the thing that's gonna happen, is one

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't care how good the rest of the roster is.

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Speaker 1: If Joe, If Joe Burrow gets hurt, the Bengals are.

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Speaker 2: Cooked and the Browns are one, two, three, four, five, six,

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Speaker 2: I think he'd be more like a two to five

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Speaker 2: for me with a giant asterix. He can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't rate him any differently than Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 2: They should be exactly the same. That's perfect example. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if football right right, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: guys last year at this time, miserable seasons. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: If Pickett can be as good as Cousins is this year,

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Speaker 2: As Cousins in exercise like this, No, I hear you.

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Speaker 2: shooting too far. That's not a high bar to get over.

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Speaker 1: Well again, what were his projections for the season twenty

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Speaker 1: He gets if he can get that to twenty four

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Speaker 1: it's twenty four. I'd like to see fewer interceptions. If

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the interception things a hard projection, just because there

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Speaker 2: He's not gonna throw two next year, right right, you know,

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Speaker 2: And not all interceptions are created equally. If you're losing

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Speaker 2: there's three minutes left on the clock, that's better than

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Speaker 2: you have a three point league going into the half

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, But just an interesting look at Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 2: I would lean towards over That doesn't mean he's Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying I think he's a If there's thirty

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Speaker 1: Answer is yes, I do too, I do too, right,

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a fun exercise. Point one point one, point

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Speaker 2: one point one. Oh, it's the worst thing I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Their offensive line is a point one. They're running backs

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Speaker 2: They have the worst roster on this list, by the way,

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Speaker 2: The defense is horrendous. There their average defense is point three.

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Speaker 2: And with Aaron Donald, with the best player in this generation. Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But it's just a different way to look at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure there's people screaming at their phones

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Speaker 2: We all know that, you know. I mean, if you're

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Speaker 2: We understand that it's a quarterback driven league, but this

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Speaker 2: I think it's a really good exercise.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do as well. That's going to do it

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