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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 2: What's Up?

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Speaker 3: What's Up?

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Speaker 4: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Everybody?

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Speaker 4: This is Andrew Gillum coming to you with not the second,

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Speaker 4: but the third episode of Native Land Pod, where we

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Speaker 4: break it all down for you.

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Speaker 2: What's happening in.

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Speaker 4: Politics, a little bit of what's happening in culture, but

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Speaker 4: not too much of either. And the beauty of today

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Speaker 4: is I get to do it with two of my

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Speaker 4: favorite favorite people, Tiffany Cross and Miss Angelo Rod.

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Speaker 2: What's up, ladies?

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Speaker 5: Hey everybody, welcome with you number three, Welcome home. Can

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Speaker 5: I just say really quickly before we get started, I

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Speaker 5: want to give a shout out to the Gathering Spot.

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Speaker 5: I'm broadcasting to you, guys, life from a gathering spot,

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Speaker 5: black owned business, and so just shout out to them

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Speaker 5: for being a partner and host of Native lamppod. So

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Speaker 5: what up Gathering Spot? Shout out to the gathering.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Gathering Spot for sharing some space with us.

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Speaker 4: It's only a tiny bit of space because Tiffany's so

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Speaker 4: fun sized.

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Speaker 1: The disrespect for the petits out here, well, I tell

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Speaker 1: you that you.

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Speaker 6: Let me find out fun size, like yeahful, I'm sorry, Tiffany,

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Speaker 6: let me know I need to go ahead and withdraw

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Speaker 6: my offense if there's.

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Speaker 5: An I'm vertically challenged. Sobody my secret. I'm five to two,

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Speaker 5: but my attitude six months and don't try it all

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Speaker 5: right exactly? How about that.

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Speaker 4: I also have a slight confession, which is, y'all, I

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Speaker 4: have some or surgery in the past couple of days.

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Speaker 4: And so if you are looking at this or even listening,

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Speaker 4: you hear me, you know, mess up a word, a

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Speaker 4: little kerfuffle here or there.

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Speaker 2: Just give me a little bit of grace today. I'm trying.

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Speaker 2: We're pushing and.

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Speaker 1: Brother, because if it would have been me, I would

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Speaker 1: have been under bed somewhere. Y'all would have to come

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Speaker 1: get me.

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Speaker 4: Please believe the Metzure in full effect today, Yeah and fullfect.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for showing up though while you're still a

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Speaker 5: little bit under the weather because I've had only episode three, y'all, yeah,

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Speaker 5: you kind of can't.

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Speaker 1: We might have came to your house to come get you,

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Speaker 1: or or all the listeners who we should probably think

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Speaker 1: the people have been listening, they have been reviewing the podcast.

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Speaker 1: We are so grateful that you're tuning in. But Andrew

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Speaker 1: on episode three, they definitely would have run to your

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Speaker 1: house and been like, where you at, Gillam come through.

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Speaker 5: So we're grateful for that care.

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Speaker 4: You're basically saying the center of our listening universe is

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Speaker 4: based here in Tallahassee.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, no, I think that there are planes, trains

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Speaker 1: and automobiles though, So that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: There it is, y'all, There it is.

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Speaker 4: We have an exciting show for you all today, as

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Speaker 4: I said in the intro, a little bit of news,

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Speaker 4: a little bit of the culture, but not too much

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Speaker 4: of either of them. We're getting right to the news, ladies.

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Speaker 4: And I gotta say this because I remember doing this

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Speaker 4: public speaking event and I and I greeted folks as

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Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, and this one woman and two of

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Speaker 4: her friends afterwards came up to me to say, we

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Speaker 4: are not ladies, we are women. And she then gave

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Speaker 4: me a whole thing about the difference. And so just

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Speaker 4: know that I know the difference, but I know my

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Speaker 4: two colleagues.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me I'm not I would like to know.

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Speaker 1: You know, Cicely Tyson used to draft people saying ladies.

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Speaker 4: Created with a dainty, you know, particular way of being

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Speaker 4: a trophy established upon women by men, more of a

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Speaker 4: sort of status and social daintiness than it had to

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Speaker 4: do with gender.

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Speaker 5: I don't mind. You can. If you look like me,

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Speaker 5: you can call me girl. If you don't look like me,

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Speaker 5: don't call me.

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Speaker 1: Don't call me hip who I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about baby later. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 5: Yes, later, we're gonna get it at. We're gonna get

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Speaker 5: it at anyway, Andrew, are you trying to get us

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Speaker 5: to New Hampshire? I think, my brother I am trying

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, but we can take our time

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Speaker 4: In fact, we're gonna spend a long time in New

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Speaker 4: Hampshire because by now, I'm sure all of you all

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Speaker 4: know what happened this Earlier this week, New Hampshire held

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Speaker 4: the primary that Angela. I think people projected to have

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Speaker 4: a lower than what actually performed turnout on behalf of

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Speaker 4: the Republicans. I don't know what you make of that,

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Speaker 4: but essentially we had what was record turnout in New

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Speaker 4: Hampshire for this primary election, and the all able King

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump appeared to have prevailed that I get the

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Speaker 1: I think what was really fascinating is think I thought

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Speaker 1: a lot of people would you know, kind of stick

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Speaker 1: that one out. They had more than three hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: outpacing their performance which was their original high mark in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. So it is fascinating to see folks come

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Speaker 1: through and, as Tiffany would say.

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Speaker 5: Vote for their king.

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Speaker 5: Can I say though, this is my big problem with

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Speaker 5: New Hampshire. All right? First of all the issues that

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Speaker 5: they voted on their top four issues, it was the economy, immigration,

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Speaker 5: foreign policy, and abortion. Okay, so those were the top

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Speaker 5: four issues. And then you saw a reporter after reporter

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Speaker 5: talking to voters and they would ask, why are you

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Speaker 5: voting for Donald Trump? And the random voter would say, oh,

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Speaker 5: well his policy aligns with mine. Now did these reporters

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Speaker 5: say really what policy specifically?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 5: Or they say well my life was better under Donald Trump?

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Speaker 6: Really?

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Speaker 5: How So they just put these sound bites out there

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Speaker 5: like it's truth, and they would never challenge any of

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Speaker 5: these folks on any of these things. And that to

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Speaker 5: me is so that's what I want to hear what

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Speaker 5: policies specifically align with you, and I'll keep saying this

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Speaker 5: until the media gets it right. Never once was anybody asked, well,

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Speaker 5: what do you make of his racism? What do you

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Speaker 5: make of his misogyny? What do you make of his xenophobia?

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Speaker 5: What do you make of the ninety one indictments. It

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Speaker 5: was just let's pretend none of this has happened, and

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Speaker 5: we're going to treat this like everything about this man

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Speaker 5: is normal, when nothing is normal and democracy is on

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Speaker 5: the line. This has been my big drum that media

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Speaker 5: influences policy influences elections, and both are failing right now.

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Speaker 4: I kept hearing about immigration, immigration, immigration, immigration. Can somebody

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Speaker 4: just put into context for me? Is what is the

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 4: What is it the Canadians dangerous?

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Speaker 2: What is it that makes look?

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Speaker 5: I mean I think the reality of it is people

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Speaker 5: are mad. Yeah, I think people when they say immigration,

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Speaker 5: I think what it is is people are mad that

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Speaker 5: the brown people crossing the border. Because most of these

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Speaker 5: voters likely watch something you know, like o In or

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Speaker 5: Fox News. They have it on a twenty four hour

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Speaker 5: doom loop in their home and all they can see

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Speaker 5: is my life is so shitty because all of these

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Speaker 5: people keep coming in taking resources from me. This is

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Speaker 5: the reason why I don't live in a bigger house

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Speaker 5: because of these people. This is the reason why my

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Speaker 5: of these people. There is no immigration issue in New Hampshire,

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Speaker 5: certainly not one that should be driving your interest at

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Speaker 5: the ballot box. So I call bs on that it

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Speaker 5: is racism under a different name, MASSES policy, and we

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Speaker 5: see you, We know the truth. You know the thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to know. What was the last time you

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Speaker 2: were in New Hampshire?

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Speaker 1: Just the first of Nebruary. Actually, so hasn't happened. I

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Speaker 1: don't think I've ever I ain't never had a connecting

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Speaker 1: flight through New Hampshire. I never passed through to go

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Speaker 1: somewhere else, you know, I just I really haven't.

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Speaker 2: What about you.

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Speaker 5: The last time I was in New Hampshire was in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty. Andrew and I a Bols fellows of diop

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Speaker 5: at Harvard and we did an event in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 5: And so that was what four years ago?

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Speaker 4: Yeah at least, and mine was I mean about four

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Speaker 4: y'all is because New Hampshire hearkens back to a comment

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Speaker 4: who shows up in these products. Right now, Angela did

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Speaker 4: a great credit by talking about three hundred thousand more people,

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Speaker 4: and of course we salute, you know, more participation. But

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Speaker 5: Ninety four percent white. I was just pulling it up.

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Speaker 1: I found ninety two point six TIFs need to be

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Speaker 1: on Jeopardy. That's good, Tiff. Ninety two points is what

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Speaker 1: I just pulled up Therety is.

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Speaker 4: And that that's not to say that people who look

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Speaker 4: same upbringing, same issues, own as one or the other.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. It matters.

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Speaker 4: But the interesting thing that I found about the New

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Speaker 4: coalesce around Nicky Haley, whereas everybody else who was pretty

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Speaker 4: much identified as just a Republican got behind Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: So Donald Trump got to see the coalescing of Republicans

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Speaker 4: behind him. But this really interesting gap opened up, y'all.

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Speaker 4: And I wonder if you take anything from this that

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Speaker 4: independence and no party affiliates who leaned more right, many

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Speaker 4: for Donald Trump. That group got behind NICKI Haley to

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Speaker 4: the degree of I don't know for or so of

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Speaker 4: them voted for her. Do you think this signals anything

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Speaker 4: in the long term to be problematic for Donald Trump?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, I think that the thing that

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Speaker 1: we're seeing is there is a real divide in the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party in terms of what they want out Like

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Speaker 1: we know that Donald Trump is absolutely what the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party has been building for many years. But I think

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Speaker 1: that there are some folks, maybe the Karl Roves, the

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Speaker 1: folks who were associated with HW and W. Bush, who

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Speaker 1: don't want it to be this outward like this blatantly racist.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine the Condoleeza Rices even of the world,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want it this bad. Clarence don't care, y'all, see

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Speaker 1: that Clarence does not care as long as you take

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Speaker 1: them on a trippy good but the rest of them right,

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Speaker 1: there's there may be some pause, I think with What

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Speaker 1: is interesting is Nikki Hayley being from the state of

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Speaker 1: South Carolina and then having a senator who she appointed.

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Speaker 5: Somebody's the Tim Scott, but not mine.

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Speaker 1: Still, despite being appointed by her originally being from the

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Speaker 1: indorse Donald Trump. Of course, we know he'd already dropped

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Speaker 2: Thank you. They were saying, we need a president who

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Speaker 9: We need a president who understands the American people are.

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Speaker 2: Sick and tired of being sick and tired.

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Speaker 5: They are loyal to power. I really quit, Andrew.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear what you got to say, but

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Speaker 4: No, No, that that's fair, And I actually tend to

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Speaker 2: But it won't. On the Tim Scott thing Man.

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Speaker 4: There is a particular disdain that he has for her,

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Speaker 1: You're talking about doubling down. Tim Scott doubled down after,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump had a lot to say about why he's

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Speaker 10: You ever think that she actually appointed you, Tim, and

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Speaker 10: state and she endorsed me. You must really hate her. No,

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Speaker 10: it's uh, it's a shame. It's a share.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I just love you.

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Speaker 7: No, that's good.

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Speaker 10: That's why he's a great politician.

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Speaker 1: Lord man, I do not even claim him. So I

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Speaker 5: Again, your vote makes a difference in November, not just Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: So if you if you missed what that was, this

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Speaker 4: We've often said that, but to confuse the election date,

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Speaker 1: sure you're dealing with this too. As our parents' age

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Speaker 1: is there are so many different kind of scams that

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Speaker 1: specifically really target our seniors. Robo calls probably for the

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Speaker 1: most part, or targeting seniors. Young people are texting and

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Speaker 1: you know, on social and other ways. Although my mom

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Speaker 1: had shout out to mom and daddy always on Facebook,

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Speaker 1: but like I literally walked in on my dad probably

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe six months ago in the summer.

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Speaker 1: He's on the phone arguing with someone from Amazon about

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Speaker 1: something that he didn't purchase, and They're trying to get

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Speaker 1: him to give his debit card number so that they

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Speaker 1: could refund him this money. And I was like in

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Speaker 1: the kitchen and kind of halfway listened. I was like, wait,

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Speaker 1: who are you talking to? And he was like Amazon.

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Speaker 1: I was like, they don't even call. So I snatched

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Speaker 1: the phone. I was like, I suggest you hang this

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Speaker 1: phone up right now before I call the FEDS on

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Speaker 1: that ass. Sorry, daddy, but that's what happened, and he

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Speaker 1: knows it, but like literally, And the reason why I'm

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Speaker 1: bringing that up is because AI isn't just hurting us

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Speaker 1: and engaging in voter suppression. It is literally causing our parents,

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Speaker 1: our elders to like spin excess resources that they don't have.

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Speaker 1: It is fraudulent on all fronts, and so of course

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Speaker 1: it's going to impact the electro system. So we have

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Speaker 1: to be hyper vigilant and super aware. And then we

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Speaker 1: have to figure out a way to discern truth from

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Speaker 1: a lie, even when it is a voice that we

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Speaker 1: all know. That's a lot, you know, So anyway, Amazon

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Speaker 1: stys I want to get.

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Speaker 5: Point out really quickly. Yeah, and Angela, I love that

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Speaker 5: you brought up the fact that a lot of seniors

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Speaker 5: are targeted by this. I also want to point out,

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Speaker 5: because you said your parents spent a lot of time

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Speaker 5: on Facebook, Well, these mega social media companies like Meta,

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Speaker 5: like Amazon, like x Twitter or whatever we're calling it

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Speaker 5: these days, they have fired a lot of people who

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Speaker 5: were in position to safeguard some of these AI efforts

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Speaker 5: to infiltrate these platforms. Those people have been fired in

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Speaker 5: sweeping numbers. We saw this over the years, and nobody

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Speaker 5: a lot of people were waving a red flag saying, hey,

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Speaker 5: this isn't a good idea, and those positions, as far

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Speaker 5: as I know, have not been replaced. So that's something

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Speaker 5: to think about when you're on social media. Man.

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Speaker 4: Well, I just I really hate that they have determined

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Speaker 4: that it is no longer their responsibility to play in

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Speaker 4: this space. When they are they have the platforms by

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Speaker 4: which many of these scams are being perpetuated. You've created

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Speaker 4: the space, you've created the ring in which the game

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Speaker 4: is being played. But somehow you're not responsible for referees,

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Speaker 4: you're not responsible for safeguards. You run up, you know,

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Speaker 4: against the stand and you break a leg or your

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Speaker 4: nose or you this there's no responsibility to be shared whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: And I got to say, it's a big reflection of

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Speaker 4: our regulatory environment, which is really played kid gloves with

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Speaker 4: a lot of these companies, basically, you know, taking the

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Speaker 4: lead shop and saying, well, if we start to regulate

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Speaker 4: artificial intelligence, then we're going to stifle creativity, innovation, and

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Speaker 4: growth in these sectors. You saw this come to a

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Speaker 4: head this past summer doing congressional hearings where the Biden

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Speaker 4: administration did get out there and basically say, you know,

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Speaker 4: we don't want to put handcuffs on innovation, yet let's

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Speaker 4: let it, you know, lead a bit, and then the

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Speaker 4: regulation is going to follow. And I just think that

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Speaker 4: this is a mistake, and I think we are badly,

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Speaker 4: badly misestimating the ways in which this is harmful to

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Speaker 4: our democracy and the way that it's going to show

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Speaker 4: up this election cycle. And in a race where you're

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Speaker 4: talking about the difference between the winner and the loser

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Speaker 4: being a point represented by a couple of votes every precinct,

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Speaker 4: you can start to calculate how very quick fast, and

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Speaker 4: in a hurry, the other side realizes that we're playing

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Speaker 4: in margins, We're not changing whole communities and whole societies.

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Speaker 4: We're just in the indentations, very very small, unwriteable places

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Speaker 4: that are making the big difference here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with that, all right, And honestly, AI

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Speaker 5: is scaring me. I want to I want to move on.

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Speaker 5: If we can't exactly sci fi or horror right now,

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Speaker 5: it feels like horror.

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Speaker 4: Well, y'all, we could keep going with this AI thing,

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Speaker 4: but I'm getting freaked out, so I think it's time

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Speaker 4: to pay some bills.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a break real quick.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hate to make it worse for y'all after

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Speaker 1: the break, but it's still a little bit of horror.

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Speaker 5: And gloom and doom.

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Speaker 1: What did you say earlier, tiff what was the what's

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Speaker 1: the gloom doom cycle or something?

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Speaker 5: Doom loop?

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Speaker 2: The doom loop coming up?

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Speaker 5: That's they're so good.

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Speaker 1: If the Democratic Party could hire Tiffany Cross to lead

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Speaker 1: them in messaging, they would probably.

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Speaker 5: Well, then there's that. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing, though, this is a place where

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Speaker 1: I think the Democrats are killing it from a messaging standpoint.

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Speaker 1: As you all know, we're just on the other side

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Speaker 1: of the fifty first anniversary of Roe versus Weight, and

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, of course, the Supreme court overturned

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Speaker 1: Row in the Dobbs decision. However, Kamala Harris, Madame Vice President,

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Speaker 1: who we know and I just talked about this last week,

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Speaker 1: is fantastic at prosecuting the cases against the thing. I

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Speaker 1: wanted it to be against racism, but Kamala showed you

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Speaker 1: how to get it done. When she went to Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: as they face this new bill that's been introduced to

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Speaker 1: ban abortion after fourteen weeks, there would be an abortion band.

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Speaker 1: She took abortion head on. She talked about what was

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Speaker 1: at stake with the Wisconsin law, but she also talked

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Speaker 1: about what would happen if a national band were to

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Speaker 1: make it to President Biden's desk.

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Speaker 11: In America, freedom is not to be given, It is

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Speaker 11: not to be bestowed. It is ours by.

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Speaker 12: Right, by right, and that includes the freedom to make

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Speaker 12: decisions about one's own body, not the government telling you

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Speaker 12: what to do.

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Speaker 11: This afternoon, in the Wisconsin legislature, extremists will hold a

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Speaker 11: hearing on a new bill that would ban abortion in

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Speaker 11: this state with no exception for rape and incest. And

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Speaker 11: in the United States Congress, extremists are trying to pass

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Speaker 11: a national abortion ban to outlaw abortion in every single state.

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Speaker 11: But what they need to know is that if Congress

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Speaker 11: passes a national abortion ban, President Joe Biden will veto it.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing we talked about last week, the

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Speaker 1: importance of Vice President Harris being on the road kind

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Speaker 1: of prosecuting the case against the things. I know that

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Speaker 1: people desperately want to hear what the Democratic Party will

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Speaker 1: do for them going forward. How have these accomplishments that

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Speaker 1: they've made helped people in a really tangible way. But

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Speaker 1: the thing that I love about this is this calls

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Speaker 1: women ladies no matter we're saying, Andrew straight to the

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Speaker 1: carpet and reminds them all, particularly the fifty three percent

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Speaker 1: of white women who voted for Donald Trump in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: where are you going to stand? You want to be

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Speaker 1: a single voter issue about life? Do you really want

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Speaker 1: the government making these decisions for women? It has been

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Speaker 1: too long where the government has put positioned itself to

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Speaker 1: make decisions for us and not doing the same thing

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Speaker 1: for men. And so I really appreciated her being in

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Speaker 1: this role, not only fighting against a potential national ban

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Speaker 1: if the fifty first anniversary of Row, but also taking

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Speaker 1: it straight to the Wisconsin state legislature, and we all

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Speaker 1: know that Wisconsin is a battleground state. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was super smart tactically, geographic, messaging wise. I just appreciated this.

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Speaker 1: I love to hear what y'all thought.

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Speaker 5: I thought she did a great job to your point

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Speaker 5: prosecuting the case. It makes me nervous her messaging there aside,

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Speaker 5: she did a great job. I'm passionate about this issue

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Speaker 5: for sure. Her messaging aside, though, Angel, it does make

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Speaker 5: me nervous if we're trying to appeal to white women

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Speaker 5: to show up to help save this country because they

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Speaker 5: a white woman outpaced white men in their support for

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Speaker 5: Brian Kemp when he ran for governor in twenty sixteen

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Speaker 5: in Georgia, and they wrote it for him because he

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Speaker 5: was introducing that abortion ban in Georgia that ended up

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Speaker 5: having potentially having bad economic impact on the state. So look,

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Speaker 5: whatever it takes, everybody show up. Her messaging was great,

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Speaker 5: But if we got to depend on folks outside of us,

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Speaker 5: I'm just not sure that's enough to keep Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: from the Oval office. Quite frankly, as scary as that is.

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Speaker 4: God, I hope you're wrong by every by every measure,

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Speaker 4: but to to Angela's original point, which is to say

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Speaker 4: that this was a clear example of the Vice President

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Speaker 4: going in unleashed, unrehearsed, unchecked, unbothered really by opinions of others,

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Speaker 4: but rather getting to the point of saying, look, I'm

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Speaker 4: so frustrated, but I also feel so free to talk

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Speaker 4: about that level of frustration, what drives it, what animated

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Speaker 4: her in that moment. It is true, this is the

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Speaker 4: kind of of of animated and anger field moment that

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Speaker 4: I think we we wanted to hear a little bit

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Speaker 4: more of when we were when we were reviewing that

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Speaker 4: piece on race that she that she sat down with

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Speaker 4: the view on and I just got to say, I

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Speaker 4: think part of what gives the Vice President gave her

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Speaker 4: license on this issue is the broad based support, appearingly

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Speaker 4: from white women majority white men in some of these

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Speaker 4: elections that have taken place where it's been essentially a

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Speaker 4: vote on whether or not you stand by a woman's

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Speaker 4: right to choose or not. And frankly, the motivations may

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Speaker 4: have been different for what got them to where they

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Speaker 4: are on the issue, but they cast to vote the same,

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Speaker 4: which was to say, no government, you don't have a

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Speaker 4: seat in this room. We're taking the seat back. Leave

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Speaker 4: it between a woman and her doctor. Case after case

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Speaker 4: after case where this has been on the ballot and

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Speaker 4: states both red, blue, and purple. I said both, but

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Speaker 4: all three everything in between. We still come out on

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Speaker 4: the right side of this issue. And I think the

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Speaker 4: Vice President felt that license to be able to say,

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Speaker 4: it's unfortunate that we still don't yet have that license

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Speaker 4: that has been well earned, well established on the issue

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Speaker 4: of race in this country, but certainly on this issue,

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Speaker 4: I think she felt licensed. To your point, Angela, she

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Speaker 4: prosecuted it like a prosecutor. Would she tore it from

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Speaker 4: you know, to quote boomerang from Ruda to tudor not

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Speaker 4: to quote boom y'all ain't gonna get that boomerang reference.

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Speaker 2: I got it.

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Speaker 1: Got to coordinate, you know whatever. Anyway, Okay, well there's that.

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Speaker 1: I just I just thought we should acknowledge when they

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Speaker 1: do the things that we're encouraging. And so kudos to y'all. Yes, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: kudos Vice President.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for that. All right, lampid tip, that's thank you.

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Speaker 5: I just want to thank you. Shout out native lamp pod. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Wisconsin, we know politics are everywhere, tip everywhere.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about what I know, you love.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're the in house resident expert on sports

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Speaker 1: but also entertainment.

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Speaker 5: What's going on? What's going on? Oh yes, thank you? Okay,

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Speaker 5: I want to talk about award season because y'all know

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Speaker 5: I the OSCAR nominations came out this week and there's

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Speaker 5: a lot of chatter about it. But I really wanted

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Speaker 5: to talk to you guys about award season in general

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Speaker 5: because there's a diversity problem, as you may have heard

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Speaker 5: in Hollywood. So I do want to shout out killers

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Speaker 5: in a flower Moon. Some people liked it, some people didn't.

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Speaker 5: But at least there was Indigenous representation at the Oscars,

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Speaker 5: which is long overdue. Jeffrey Wright and American fiction Sterling K.

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Speaker 5: Brown and Danielle Brooks for the Color Purple. So I

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Speaker 5: love seeing an Api community was nominated. I love seeing

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Speaker 5: some of the diversity. But Angela, this is my issue.

658
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 5: Oh yes, thank you, thank you. But here's the thing.

659
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 5: The award shows to me still come across like this

660
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 5: is white man's land. You know, it is still overwhelmingly

661
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 5: white people saying do we select you, do we like you?

662
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: Or not?

663
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 5: From the Oscars, to the Emmys, to the Grammys, and

664
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 5: I just have stopped putting a lot of credence into

665
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 5: some of these award shows. And to me, we're celebrating

666
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 5: the diversity in front of the camera, which is good.

667
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 5: Thirty percent or movies that had a title main character

668
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 5: black actor went up thirty percent since twenty twenty two.

669
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 5: We like that, but we got to talk about diversity

670
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 5: behind the camera and a lot if you, I know,

671
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 5: you probably remembered this, Angela. I think Variety, maybe the

672
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 5: Hollywood Reporter. Variety did a whole spread on the number

673
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 5: of black women executives who were leaving some of these

674
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 5: major studios, everybody from Warner Brothers to Discovery, and these

675
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 5: are people who have power, they have green light power,

676
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 5: they were leading some of the DEI efforts, and it's

677
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 5: just shameful. So I don't know what it takes for

678
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 5: us to build and create our own but I know

679
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 5: when I see the creativity that exists among black folks

680
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 5: on social media, I'm like, what would entertainment be without us?

681
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 5: So I don't know how we fix this. Angela, you're

682
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 5: in LA. I feel like you have your hand on

683
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 5: the pulse or finger on the pulse of the community,

684
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 5: and you said at the intersection of a lot of things,

685
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 5: including entertainment, politics, policy, all of that. So you're so

686
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 5: dope and my sister, So I'm really curious your thoughts

687
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 5: on this because it's frustrating to be mad about it

688
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 5: and also want to celebrate it at the same time.

689
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am, you know, thankfully, I don't have my

690
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: pulse too much on this community being grooted or groomed

691
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: in politics. For by Congresswiman Water, so I was like,

692
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: for real, La not Hollywood. It's a difference. And then

693
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: also Seattle, so definitely keeping them roots. But I think

694
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: that what's frustrating to me is there are these incredible

695
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: actors also Coleman Domingo style.

696
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 11: Man.

697
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: Watch him on the carpet, y'all, he is killing it.

698
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: But they are every time, like nails it, every time

699
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 1: they are shining. And Danielle Brooks deserved, I honestly thought

700
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: to Raji deserved and not she killed it as sugar.

701
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm also partial because of everything she's been saying, and

702
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: I want her to get up on the stage except

703
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: an award and say it again where nobody can run

704
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: from it, and then the other thing, I'll tell you

705
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: that I was really disappointed by TIF. You know, in

706
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: our Girls Chair, we've been talking a lot about how

707
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: powerful Origin is. I was so disappointed that there it

708
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: was a complete snub, and I would argue, oh, did.

709
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 5: They That's what I thought they weren't. The film didn't

710
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 5: come out in time. Let's see somebody check me. But

711
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 5: I think that's what the issue was.

712
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: It says Ava Duvernet's Origin has been notably shut out

713
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: of the awards circuit this season, not receiving any Golden Globes,

714
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: Critics Choice Awards, or SAG Award nominations. Origin had been

715
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: a possible Oscars hopeful, but it was ultimately shut out.

716
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if shut out means that she missed

717
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: the deadline.

718
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 5: No, they would have said if she missed the deadline.

719
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 5: So I take that back. I retract my statement. Why

720
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 5: do you think she wasn't nominated? I think because she

721
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 5: didn't need to go through a big studio.

722
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: And I think that right now, you know, big hollyoo

723
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: what wants to make this point that like, in order

724
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: for it to be official, in order for it to

725
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: be credible, in order for it to be good enough,

726
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: you need to go through our process. That process rewards

727
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: old traditionally white power structures, the same thing we talk

728
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: about industry wide, and I think this is no different.

729
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 5: This is the film that got.

730
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: An eight minute standing ovation in Venice, you know what

731
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, this is like an incredible work where

732
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: when I saw it at the New York premiere there

733
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: was a five minute standing ovation. Like, I just I

734
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: don't understand. I would like to understand what we're talking about,

735
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: especially because she pushed to do this herself to get

736
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: the financing from the philanthropic community, from other folks who

737
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: would donate to it, because she knew it needed to

738
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: come out before the election. She knew that democracy was

739
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: on the line, and so she wanted people to see

740
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 1: where this type of these types of ugly ideologies come from,

741
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: and that's why she put out this film based off

742
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: of Isabelle Wilkerson's cast.

743
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 5: So I just I don't know.

744
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what all goes into it, but I

745
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: can tell you every single award season, I'm happy for

746
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: some folks, but really pissed about some other things. And

747
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: this is one of those things that I'm really pissed about.

748
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 5: Because do we care, you know, like to me if

749
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 5: you get an Oscar nod. Again, we're begging the white

750
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 5: man please pay attention to us, Please give us one

751
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 5: of your awards. I'd rather her see economic success at

752
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 5: the box office. You know, if there's some kind of

753
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 5: way we can bypass the gatekeepers who rarely allow us

754
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 5: access to this kind of thing, I'm all for it.

755
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 4: Andrew, what you say, well, I say we should go

756
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 4: where we get love, right, and sometimes those places are

757
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 4: ones that we create for ourselves, and sometimes that love

758
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 4: comes from places that we didn't necessarily anticipate, which brings

759
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 4: me to this next topic.

760
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Speaker 5: I knew where you were going. I love this.

761
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: Yes, girl, is this topic of when a black woman

762
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 3: calls me baby?

763
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 5: Yeah?

764
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 4: There's this video on social media.

765
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's play it. We had to clip.

766
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 4: Okay that that really it touched me because I know

767
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: the feeling and I'm certain that it is probably layered

768
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 4: with all this other stuff that we're gonna throw up

769
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: on it today. But let's just take it in its

770
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 4: innocent form.

771
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: Let's play. Rachel.

772
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 8: I pray to God that this does not come off

773
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 8: as offensive to anybody, because I mean, that's with the

774
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 8: utmost love and respect from the bottom of my whole

775
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 8: entire heart. But when a black woman calls me baby,

776
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 8: there is so much I what kind of magic are

777
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 8: you putting in there? Because that shit hits harder than crack.

778
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 8: I every single time, every encounter in my life that

779
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 8: I have had with a black woman where she calls

780
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 8: me baby, I have never felt more loved and supported in.

781
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 5: My entire life.

782
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 8: I feel almost imprinted on, like like are you my mother?

783
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: I feel her.

784
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 4: I know that this is probably feel She conditioned this

785
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 4: video saying I hope this is not a fan to anybody.

786
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 4: I hope this is you know, so I think this

787
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 4: is out of the goodness of her heart.

788
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 2: But it's true. And for me, it was the.

789
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 4: Lunch room ladies when I was going like elementary school,

790
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 4: and it would be like, you know, baby this, or baby,

791
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 4: you need to put some such and such on there,

792
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 4: or just the compliment and it ended with a baby,

793
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 4: or it was a direction and instruction and baby was

794
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 4: somewhere in there. I just felt like they knew me.

795
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 4: They probably did. I was probably one of the bad ay,

796
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 4: you know, grand babies or something.

797
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: But it touches a special place.

798
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 4: But I've grown up with it, and so I think

799
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 4: I kind of don't give it the weight and the value,

800
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 4: you know, the.

801
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: Way that it pierced this woman.

802
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 4: It probably it's so normal, it's so baked in the

803
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 4: cake for me that it doesn't that I don't say

804
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 4: it enough, But I felt this woman. And when you

805
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 4: consider growing up in a household where you may not

806
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 4: get that kind of a refrain, I'm just saying, I

807
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 4: see how in the run of the mid day, when

808
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 4: this is not your normal, and it happens and it

809
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 4: pierces you so much so that it stops you in

810
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 4: your track and you just have to interrogate, my goodness,

811
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 4: why did this hit me the way that it hit me?

812
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 4: And why do I feel the way that I feel?

813
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 4: And I think that there is a long history of

814
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 4: the role that black women had played in all of

815
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 4: our lives and in the life of a nation that

816
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 4: that probably gives a better explanation of it. But in

817
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 4: addition to having made me laugh, it also pierced me

818
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 4: because it reminded me of an all too comfortable feeling

819
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 4: that I get when I hear it not in disrespect,

820
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 4: when I hear it not in condescension, but when I

821
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 4: hear it in the true love that is I think

822
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 4: being communicated for someone. If this is not your every

823
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 4: day I get how we can stop you and pause

824
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 4: you in your tracks.

825
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: I said nothing deep, just saying.

826
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Speaker 1: Well, Tiff, I don't know if you I can just

827
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, y'all, okay, okay, Well I'm gonna I'm gonna

828
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: be breached, so you can close this out breach And

829
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: this is what I want to say. And you know,

830
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: we talk about our arrival onto the shores of this country,

831
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: and in my book manuscript, I believe it will stay

832
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: in the book.

833
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 5: That will have a release date eventually that I'll share.

834
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: I talk about how the experiences of our ancestors reside

835
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: in our dna, you know, for the good, the bad,

836
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: the ugly, and the indifferent. And our ancestors who were

837
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: stolen from the continent and brought here through the institution

838
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: of slavery, participated in something called wet nursing. Wet nursing

839
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: is when slave masters relied upon black women to breastfeed

840
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: their white children. And so there is this inherent connection

841
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: to our community. And we know that we in a

842
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: lot of ways shaped culture. There are so many things

843
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: that you know, I believe when we just when we

844
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: say things are such a discerning people, it hits different.

845
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: I do think this video was funny and cute, and yeah,

846
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: it was resonant, but also I would be lying to

847
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: y'all if I didn't say there was something in me

848
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: that was like, oh that kind of cringed and was

849
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: frustrated by it. I'm glad that she shared it. That's

850
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: her truth, but also I'm like, sis, if you only

851
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: knew the history behind this, and yeah, it does something

852
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: different than you. It resonates right with your great great

853
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: grandmother that might have been on the bosom of one

854
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: of our great great great grandmothers.

855
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 5: Right.

856
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: So I was triggered by that, and I hate to,

857
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, I hate when I'm seeing something on social

858
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, so whack. You know, they didn't

859
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: mean it like that, and I know she didn't. But

860
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: I think that we would be remiss if we didn't

861
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: take these opportunities to teach history when we have the

862
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: opportunity to teach history, because they're literally trying to peel

863
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 1: out these real, very tangible stories out of history books.

864
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, I want you to know about wet nursing.

865
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: I want y'all to look it up because it was

866
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: a real thing, tiff issue. You have the floor man, Well, one,

867
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: I was not offended by the video. I don't have

868
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: the expectation that she would know the history. I think

869
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: kudos to you, Angela, for encouraging her to know the history.

870
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: My challenge with the video is one I felt like, Oh,

871
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: this is sweet and cute and it's warm, and I'm

872
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: happy that she had that experience. However, white women sit

873
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: at the right hand of power. Angela brought up the

874
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Speaker 1: slave trade. White women were a lot.

875
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 5: They couldn't vote, they couldn't own property in terms of housing,

876
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 5: but they could own a person. They could participate in

877
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 5: the buying and selling of the enslaved. And so I

878
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 5: think we have always had to deep so reach deep

879
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 5: down in our humanity to be able to nurse their babies,

880
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 5: like Angela said, and care for their children while ours

881
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 5: were kidnapped. But when you look at that through the

882
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 5: lens of present day, I just think about the role

883
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 5: white women play in society, and I believe this woman

884
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 5: genuinely feels loved when a white when we call you know,

885
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 5: white people, or call anybody. When when black women say

886
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 5: baby it is a loving term of endearment. However, I

887
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 5: would love for white women to offer something uh in

888
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 5: the same value. I would love for white women to

889
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 5: constantly be the people who are calling the police on us. Disproportionately,

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Speaker 5: there been forty one white women governors, not a single

891
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 5: black women governor, and I bet if white women were

892
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Speaker 5: willing to vote for a black women governor, we'd see

893
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 5: some white women hold four point four percent of CEO

894
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Speaker 5: positions black women point two percent. I bet there'd be

895
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Speaker 5: more if there were white women to support them in

896
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Speaker 5: that endeavor. White women far outdue us in the wealth gap,

897
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 5: and every equal payday, you hear white women all the

898
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Speaker 5: time saying, you know, we earn eighty percent on the dollar,

899
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 5: never acknowledging that that figure is very specific to white women.

900
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Speaker 5: When it comes to black women, api women, indigenous women,

901
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 5: those numbers are different. They are the loudest voices against

902
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 5: affirmative action, despite being equal or even greater beneficiaries of

903
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 5: it every time. Mostly they choose race over gender. So

904
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Speaker 5: if you like it when we call you baby, I

905
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 5: want to tell you we would love it if we

906
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 5: could call you ally wo. We definitely got that with social.

907
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Speaker 4: God name you know what for reminding us of what

908
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 4: it means to have a platform like this, my God,

909
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 4: to not just take what is the obvious, but to

910
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Speaker 4: state what might not be the most obvious and use

911
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 4: it as a call up, call out, a call up

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Speaker 4: to action for folks. And I also still want.

913
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Speaker 2: To say that.

914
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 4: It's okay for those of us who received this, because

915
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Speaker 4: I think both my co hosts received this originally and

916
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 4: it's intended form, which was for joy and lacrity and

917
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 4: and all the fun of it all, that it's okay

918
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 4: to still share joy and fun fielled social media videos

919
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 4: and that this, that and the other. Just know that

920
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 4: if it gets called up on this show, that is

921
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 4: has got to be packing something and be ready to

922
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 4: rumble with the history and the facts and to know

923
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 4: that it's seated in something, uh something, something greater. But

924
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Speaker 4: you're allowed to have joy to y'all, You're allowed to

925
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Speaker 4: have it.

926
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Speaker 1: I would like to vote to name this episode call

927
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Speaker 1: me Baby, I call you l I call me baby,

928
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Speaker 1: Call you l.

929
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Speaker 5: I I like this just like if you killed it.

930
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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

931
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Speaker 1: And off the top of the dome you talking about

932
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Speaker 1: somebody that got bars tiff.

933
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Speaker 5: You are in the top five.

934
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Speaker 1: My ge like you killed that man speaking of killing it, Andrew,

935
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Speaker 1: and you know, we want to make sure that we

936
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Speaker 1: keep the table open. You think it's time for Q

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Speaker 1: and A.

938
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Speaker 4: I do think it's time for some question and answer

939
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Speaker 4: after we pay some bills.

940
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Speaker 2: I do, I do. I'm with you, all right, We're back.

941
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Speaker 2: We're back. We're back. As you all know.

942
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 4: So we said from the very very very very beginning

943
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 4: that this show was about inviting you into the conversation

944
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 4: and centering the experienses that we have at the center

945
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 4: fold of the conversation. And so we want to do

946
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 4: that by tossing this on over just listener questions which

947
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 4: we're going to hear directly from you.

948
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Speaker 7: Bless you, bless you, bringing you greetings from the Arc

949
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 7: of Covenant Ministries. My name is Cecil Ward, and I'm

950
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 7: posing this question to the Native Land Podcast. In a

951
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 7: world where war is inevitable, our democracy is being threatened.

952
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 7: We even had our own president, President Biden, tell us

953
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Speaker 7: that this time when we vote, our freedom and our

954
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 7: democracy will be on the ballot. While still believing that

955
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Speaker 7: the faith based community is still the last frontier of

956
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 7: spirit led activism in the Earth, aside from knowing that,

957
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 7: where do you see the faith based community faring in

958
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 7: the midst of so much disarray, when it looks like

959
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 7: everything is subject to change? How to we fear in

960
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Speaker 7: the lineup?

961
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Speaker 2: Look?

962
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Speaker 5: I think I like this question for a few reasons. One,

963
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Speaker 5: so often in the media you hear people talk about evangelicals.

964
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 5: It's like the white is silent, you know. Somehow this

965
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 5: group of very right wing extremists have co opted this

966
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 5: term as though they represent it. And there was a

967
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Speaker 5: study that came out a few years ago. I don't

968
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Speaker 5: want to misquote it, but a majority of the folks

969
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Speaker 5: who identify as evangelical, who the media references, do not

970
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Speaker 5: actually go to a church. They are members of the

971
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Speaker 5: mega church, not a megachurch. And so when we talk

972
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Speaker 5: about the role of faith in politics, I think there

973
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 5: is a reckoning that has to happen in the Black

974
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 5: church around some of the things that are preaching the pulpit.

975
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 5: Not everyone is in church every Sunday. I don't go

976
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 5: to church every Sunday. Haven't been to church in years.

977
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 5: I feel very comfortable with that decision. I think some

978
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 5: of the policies that are pushed out from the pulpit

979
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 5: don't always serve our communities, and a lot of people

980
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 5: feel unwelcome with some of the messaging that happens in

981
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 5: the Black church. So I appreciate his point, and I

982
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 5: think there is certainly always a role for church to play.

983
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 5: It's been a home of organizing in our communities. But

984
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 5: I do think we have to branch out, and I

985
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 5: think instead of inviting folks to come into the church,

986
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 5: the church might need to go into the community and

987
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 5: make their efforts known there and make sure that the

988
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 5: policies they're supporting not only you know, adhere to the

989
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 5: teachings of the Bible that they represent, but make sure

990
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 5: that people feel welcome in the way that I think

991
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 5: they would say that Jesus would want people to feel welcome.

992
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 13: Piece and blessings boy R. J. Miller here, y'all love

993
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 13: him the more and Iowa So my biggest thing is

994
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 13: how do we get the Democratic Party to work for

995
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 13: our black and brown brothers and sisters that are that

996
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 13: are in our local area, you know, on a city

997
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 13: or local level and on a state level. I would

998
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 13: like to know what should we do to improve the

999
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 13: Democratic Party to make it work for us. Also, I

1000
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 13: think you guys should clarify what you guys mean by

1001
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 13: democracy for our viewers that may not be educated democracy

1002
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 13: because everybody didn't take a Civics classes and everybody go to.

1003
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Speaker 1: College for I really love his question, and I'm sorry

1004
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Speaker 1: this is RJ, and r J. I want to just

1005
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: to commend you for sending it in. I'm so encouraged

1006
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: by this question because what he's really talking about is

1007
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: how to organize on every level and what does accountability

1008
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: really really look like. I think that the moment that

1009
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: we believe that we're worthy enough to have a voice

1010
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: and to have a perspective and that our elected officials

1011
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: should push an agenda for us, that we have the

1012
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: power to persuade them, and then they must act because

1013
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: we put them there.

1014
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 5: So whether you.

1015
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: Voted for the person or not, once they are in office,

1016
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: they work for you because you are a taxpayer, full stop.

1017
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: If you voted for them, you have even more leverage.

1018
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 5: The way that our.

1019
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: System is structured right now, if you've helped to finance

1020
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: their campaign, you have even more leverage.

1021
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 5: One day.

1022
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: I hope that changes, but that is what it is

1023
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: right now. On every single level, there are laws that

1024
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: are past ordinances, executive actions, bills that are passed that

1025
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: impact our everyday lives. So I think the most important

1026
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: thing we do we can do is get familiar with

1027
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: what those things are. Get our top three to five things,

1028
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: and say, I know he brought up voter disenfranchisement. He

1029
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: brought up returning citizens and the importance of them being

1030
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: able to have their say. What does it look like

1031
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,479
Speaker 1: to ensure that folks always have access to the ballot box?

1032
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: What does it mean to democratize that access. When we

1033
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 1: talk about democracy, we're talking about a kind of government

1034
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: that serves the people. One person, one vote, right, doesn't

1035
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: mean that we make it harder to get to the

1036
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: ballot box. It doesn't mean that we try to silence you.

1037
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: We don't pick up the phone when you call. We

1038
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: do politics for the people. That means the people must

1039
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: instruct the politics. Policy must be people led. We must

1040
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: be a compassionate kind of government. We haven't always been

1041
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: that way. It hasn't been that way. I don't feel

1042
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,479
Speaker 1: comfortable saying we it has not always been that way.

1043
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: It now must change. And so I did it once,

1044
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: perform and do it again. Shout out to our good

1045
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: sister and friend Alicia Garza, who runs the Black Futures Lab.

1046
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: They created the Black Census Project. Soon, I think by

1047
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: the summer, Black to the Future Action Fund will come

1048
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: out with the Black Agenda that will be operational on

1049
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: every single level, starting from the local, local, state, and

1050
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: federal government. So hopefully that helps our j We really

1051
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: appreciate your question.

1052
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 5: All right, next question, Ay podcast.

1053
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Speaker 7: My name is Brandon.

1054
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 9: I am originally for the Bahamas, became to the US

1055
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 9: in two thousand and three for college, and recently a

1056
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 9: few years ago became even a citizen. Got tired of

1057
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 9: paying taxes and not being able to vote anyway, Today

1058
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 9: I heard some very troubling comments from Charlie Kirk where

1059
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 9: in which he called MLK about a guy and wanted to,

1060
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 9: you know, unravel the myth of him, as well as

1061
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 9: talking really harshly about the Civil Rights Act and how

1062
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 9: it reshaped America in a negative way. And so I'm

1063
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 9: really curious some what your all your thoughts are on that,

1064
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 9: especially in your last episode relating back to Nikki's comments

1065
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Speaker 9: regarding America was never a racist country.

1066
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Speaker 5: Who want to take that? I definitely don't want to

1067
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 5: talk about Charlie Kirk it would be one long be

1068
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 5: if I answered this question, So I talked that with

1069
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Speaker 5: somebody else.

1070
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Speaker 1: Andrew you.

1071
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't want to completely dismiss this brother, but

1072
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 5: his question I apreiate appreciate his question. And I think

1073
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 5: the point that he made without even asking is he

1074
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 5: was paying taxes without being represented here in the United

1075
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 5: States on the mainland. So I think that is an

1076
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 5: important point to make. And I look in terms of

1077
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,959
Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk, this is somebody who says asks the nine

1078
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 5: Things for the sole purpose of getting attention. So with

1079
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Speaker 5: the utmost respect to his brother for asking this question,

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Speaker 5: I would just say we will not lend Native Land

1081
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 5: Pod to address his nonsense. I think it would be

1082
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 5: disrespectful to our listeners and our audience to even give

1083
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 5: any credence to what he said about doctor Martin Luther

1084
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 5: King Junior. I think most folks who are listening to

1085
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 5: this podcast know the role that doctor King played very well.

1086
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 5: And we don't have to ask the question is this

1087
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 5: a racist country? That question has been asked and answered.

1088
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 5: We don't have to ask the question what impact the

1089
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Speaker 5: civil rights legislation had on the country. We are living

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Speaker 5: examples of it, and in the words of doctor King,

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Speaker 5: who said this in an interview with NBC News. I

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Speaker 5: want to say, in nineteen sixty four, we have a long, long,

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Speaker 5: long way to go.

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Speaker 4: You know, not giving any credence to mister Kirk, but

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Speaker 4: simply saying we're not. We need to start making messiahs

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Speaker 4: out of men, period. Because doctor King walked the earth

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Speaker 4: like a man born into it by a mother, raised

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Speaker 4: by a mother and a father, cultivated and shaped by

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Speaker 4: a society, and took extraordinary steps to try to make

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Speaker 4: life better where he stood, and we all got to

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Speaker 4: reap the benefits from it. And shouldn't we all, I think,

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Speaker 4: except that charge, which is right where we are, to

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Speaker 4: do our part, whatever that part may be, small, middle large,

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Speaker 4: to try to make things better where we are. You

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Speaker 4: did so question her by saying you were done paying

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Speaker 4: taxes without the full rights of citizenship. Now you have

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Speaker 4: that right, and now we charge you further to try

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Speaker 4: to make this whole thing a little bit better for

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Speaker 4: those that come behind you. I think that's all any

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Speaker 4: of us can be asked to do, and really all

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Speaker 4: any of us should be should call ourselves to do,

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Speaker 4: is to try to make it better for those who

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Speaker 4: come behind us.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do want to just acknowledge we are especially

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Speaker 1: not going to get credence to misinformation on this show

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Speaker 1: on the other side of the death of Dexter King.

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Speaker 1: So the King family's been through so much, so we

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Speaker 1: just want to send our condolences to the family, to

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Speaker 1: Martin the third, to Bernice, to everyone in that family.

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Speaker 1: We know that you all have been through so much,

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Speaker 1: and we certainly honor the legacy of your true, wonderful

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Speaker 1: father and thank you for sharing him with the world.

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Speaker 5: And we're not going to get into this nonsense. So

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Speaker 5: we'll go to the next question. We got another question, yep,

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Speaker 5: last one.

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Speaker 1: It's from Tallahassee, so pay attention Reverend doctor Gillim.

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Speaker 14: Hello Native Land Podcast. My name is Natalie Gamon and

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Speaker 14: I am in Tallahassee, Florida. I just wanted to say

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Speaker 14: that I love the space that you all provide for us.

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Speaker 14: My question is what steps can the black community take

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Speaker 14: to correct our self sabotage crabs in a bucket mentality

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Speaker 14: that has been ingrained in us from slavery.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you, Natalie.

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Speaker 2: That's crib y'all, she said.

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Speaker 4: Tallahassee Florida, And maybe each one of us may want

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Speaker 4: to just offer, you know, a quick suggestion, and mine

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01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 4: simply would be what we can do to stop it

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01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 4: is not participate in it. So if we all make

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Speaker 4: the choice to just extract ourselves, when that conversation goes

1141
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 4: left in the crabs in the bucket, you're like, oh no,

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Speaker 4: that ain't my lane. I'm stepping out, bagging up. That's

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Speaker 4: a huge contribution. And by no means do I mean

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Speaker 4: that as a throwaway suggestion. That's a very real suggestion.

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Speaker 4: It'll stop, it'll stop having life, It'll stop having breath

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01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 4: when we start giving it life and stop giving it breath.

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Speaker 4: Don't participate. That ain't my lane.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 14: Too.

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Speaker 5: Shit, I got something on it. I got something on it.

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Speaker 5: My quick one is I would hesitate at putting this

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01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 5: crabs in a barrel mentality on us, and I would

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01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 5: challenge the folks listening, remember who the enemy is. When

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01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 5: we look at each other, at what you got, what

1155
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 5: you got, and what she got, and what I want

1156
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 5: what she got, always remember they got the most. It's

1157
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 5: enough for everybody power see nothing without demand. We should

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01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 5: be looking across the way, not at each other. And

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Speaker 5: I will say, because I gave this testimony last week,

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Speaker 5: I will say, as you all may know, we have

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Speaker 5: a collective of women all in the space of media.

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Speaker 5: I can't, I won't want to name everybody but Angela

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Speaker 5: joy Sonny Brittany, Alicia Aaron, I'm gonna get in trouble,

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Speaker 5: Jamel Latasha Brown. Yes, our crew is ten women all

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Speaker 5: in media. We have never once looked at each other

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Speaker 5: as competition. And I will tell you all that having

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Speaker 5: that kind of sister If you don't have that sisterhood,

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01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 5: go out and create it, Go out and find people,

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Speaker 5: because the thing is, when the ground drops from under you,

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01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 5: you want to be able to look to your right,

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Speaker 5: and so you're left and have sisters who, if nothing

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Speaker 5: else by osmosis, have a collective energy to keep you

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Speaker 5: from hitting rock bottom. And so don't buy into the

1174
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 5: mentality because if you think it exists, then it tends

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Speaker 5: to perpetuate. Find yourself, be the change, find yourself in

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Speaker 5: community with each other, and be giving and a blessing

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Speaker 5: to everybody around you.

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Speaker 1: What I was gonna say first is you know, one

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Speaker 1: of our awesome Native Land Pod family members asked about

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Speaker 1: democracy and today Andrew, watching you struggle through with this wisdom, teething,

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Speaker 1: hold his mouth and everything he's in pain. I actually

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01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: want to strip the podcast of democracy real quick to it.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you'll join me in this. We can be bullies

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Speaker 1: if we need to. Andrew, I think that you should

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Speaker 1: consider waiting on sharing your really important story until next

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Speaker 1: time because I'm watching you struggle.

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Speaker 5: Look how you owning your mouth right now? Let these

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01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 5: women I don't want I don't want you to do it.

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Speaker 5: Are you gonna be honestly, Andrew? I'm vetoing you.

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Speaker 2: I'm not mad at you.

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01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 4: I'm mad because it's pain, pill is kicking off.

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Speaker 5: It's too important. What you have to say is too important.

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Speaker 5: So if you're good with it, I do think we

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01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 5: should wait because I want people to hear your testimony

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01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 5: and what you survived. And I just I know I

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Speaker 5: have questions. I know Angela has questions. So yeah, how

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Speaker 5: you feel about waiting.

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Speaker 2: I feel fine.

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Speaker 4: That just means that this full ninety minutes of an episode,

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Speaker 4: they're gonna get a They're gonna get sixty minutes of it, yeah,

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Speaker 4: which is.

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Speaker 2: What we said.

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Speaker 5: You know what, I bet they still get an hour

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Speaker 5: and a half of it.

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Speaker 1: Because now the topics.

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Speaker 5: So here's my thing.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's been really hard to watch what's happening

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Speaker 1: in Georgia with the Fulton County DA. We see Fannie

1209
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: willis being kind of really raked across the calls based

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01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: upon her alleged personal decisions and relationship with the special

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Speaker 1: prosecutor who she assigned to the Trump case. I believe

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Speaker 1: we have sound. I would like to roll that sound.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we should say there was no proof I think

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Speaker 5: in the filing. I don't know if we said that

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Speaker 5: initially hidden party. At this point there is no proof.

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Speaker 5: And what we do need to see is the judge.

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Speaker 14: Is going to have a hearing on this case, it

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Speaker 14: seems in early February, and then.

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Speaker 11: The judge is going to decide whether or not.

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Speaker 5: It is proved up. Here's my issue.

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Speaker 1: I feel like black folks, we know this, like have

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01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: to be twice as good. We have to be able

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Speaker 1: to hurdle the challenges of guilt in the court of

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Speaker 1: public opinion. We have to, of course be ethically above reproach.

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Speaker 1: As attorneys, I know that as well as an attorney,

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Speaker 1: there are all of these bars that we have a

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Speaker 1: hurdle and This is such a massive distraction from the

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Speaker 1: Trump case in all of the many civil and criminal

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01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: allegations against him in courts throughout the land, both in

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Speaker 1: state and federal court, and so to even have this,

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Speaker 1: it's been such a massive distraction. It's so frustrating to

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Speaker 1: watch this happen. But I don't think that we can

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Speaker 1: have something called native Lamb power. We talk about the

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Speaker 1: even our kitchen table issues and not bring this up.

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Speaker 1: So I know y'all got strong feelings, but this I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to address it because to me, it feels

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Speaker 1: like there's an elephant in the room, and I at

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01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: least want us to talk about what it is. But

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Speaker 1: we knew Sisters was gonna get dragged once she went

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Speaker 1: after this man.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the thing is like we knew she was

1242
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Speaker 5: going to face a heavy opposition. And my challenge with

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Speaker 5: this is the media far too often plays into the

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Speaker 5: right's hand and then they have to become reactive to it.

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Speaker 5: This has nothing to do with the evidence in the case.

1246
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Speaker 5: And my challenge to the media landscape would be, every

1247
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Speaker 5: single time you talk about Fannie Willis's personal life, please

1248
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 5: immediately follow that up with the recording of Donald Trump

1249
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 5: pressuring election officials to find an additional eleven thousand votes. Now,

1250
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, the story has become about her

1251
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 5: personal life, and it just seems like it is. It

1252
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 5: seems like a red herring. It's irrelevant. It's fine if

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Speaker 5: they want. That's something that you talk about in chambers

1254
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 5: or whichever. It doesn't take away from the crime that

1255
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Speaker 5: he is accused of committing in the state of Georgia,

1256
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Speaker 5: a state that is at the center of so many

1257
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Speaker 5: elections even this year, a state that's on the verge

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Speaker 5: of becoming purple. Like that is the more interesting conversation.

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Speaker 5: That's the more fruitful conversation that will be informative to voters,

1260
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 5: not what she was doing personally with a member on

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Speaker 5: her team. I find the entire thing distasteful, and as

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Speaker 5: y'all know, I didn't even want to talk about it

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Speaker 5: because I felt like we were, you know, following following

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Speaker 5: their red hearing. So I'm ready for everybody to to

1265
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 5: move on off this and keep the focus where it

1266
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Speaker 5: needs to be.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this triggers me at a whole new level where,

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Speaker 4: for a lot of reasons and reasons that I'm acquiesced

1269
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 4: to the advice of my colleagues, and so we'll share

1270
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 4: more and more of my and unpacked more and more

1271
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Speaker 4: of my own story, you know, in the coming weeks.

1272
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Speaker 4: But can somebody point to aside from there being no

1273
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Speaker 4: evidence inside this filing by the Trump folks, can somebody

1274
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 4: point me to the evidence in this reco case that

1275
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Speaker 4: has been falsified by Fining or by any member of

1276
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 4: her team. Can somebody underscore for me where the lie

1277
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Speaker 4: is inside the charges that have been bought? The evidence

1278
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,520
Speaker 4: has been out, a whole cloth made up and furtherance

1279
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Speaker 4: of the charges that they've levied against this man. This

1280
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 4: woman has been, along with her team, a more than

1281
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 4: superior your prosecutor as it relates to these charges. And

1282
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 4: she knew she would have to be, she along with

1283
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 4: her team, would have to be because she was bringing

1284
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Speaker 4: a former president of the United States of America to account.

1285
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Speaker 4: You don't hear the Trump lawyers writing memos and asking

1286
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Speaker 4: for special hearings on any of the merits of any

1287
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Speaker 4: of this. And I know that it can be frustrating

1288
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 4: for so many of us who say, we know off

1289
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 4: jump that we've got to be ten times as better

1290
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 4: and ten times as this and this is that we all, Yes,

1291
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 4: it's already baked in, but at some level do we

1292
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 4: ever get to be measured for the job that we're

1293
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 4: actually up for?

1294
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Speaker 2: Do we ever?

1295
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 4: Where when's the critique come down on the thing that

1296
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 4: I'm applying for, or and proportionality to that thing that

1297
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 4: I'm applying for, or applying my skill set toward, start

1298
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 4: undoing my credentials that then no longer stand in furtherance

1299
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Speaker 4: to the job that I'm doing. We're in here, does

1300
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 4: any of that exist at all? This is simply how

1301
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Speaker 4: can we come at this woman, degrade this woman, embarrass

1302
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 4: this woman, make her carry shame so that we don't

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Speaker 4: have to pay attention to that big, fat ass elephant in.

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Speaker 2: The middle of the room. I'm sorry for the y'all

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Speaker 2: know who get the.

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Speaker 4: Apology, man, But instead of talking about the big thing

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01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 4: sitting dass center in the room and the weight around

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01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 4: the room is crashing in on it all the walls,

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about that tree outside across the street down

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Speaker 4: the way dropping some fruit that might then drop an

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01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 4: acorn that might roll down the hill and possibly end

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Speaker 4: up on the court lawn. Let's talk about that distraction,

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01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 4: and so God knows. I I know where we have

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Speaker 4: to take all of.

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Speaker 2: This For truth.

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Speaker 4: I am sure that the attorney, her staff team, all

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01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 4: those folks are carrying a heavier weight today than they

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01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 4: were yesterday because of a lot of this. But I

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01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 4: truly hope that to the extent that we address this

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Speaker 4: in the future, that we're coming at it to hopefully

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01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 4: shed a different type of light on it, and not

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01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 4: to pile on to the gossip arena that these folks

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01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 4: are kicking up around this thing. The sides show that

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Speaker 4: they want us to be paying attention to.

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Speaker 2: Rather the.

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Speaker 4: Crazy, unprecedented stuff that it's in its proper place being

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Speaker 4: litigated in a court of law. And I'm even embarrassed

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01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 4: to hear that a judge has to hold a hearing

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01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 4: taking up the court's time dealing with something like this

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01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 4: when in actuality it bears no weight so far as

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Speaker 4: any of us can see, on the actual proceedings itself.

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01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 4: I would show me the weight that it is bearing

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01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 4: on that and if there is a if there is

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01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 4: a charge to be bought before the Georgia Bar, then

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01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 4: bring it there. But so far as I'm concerned, I don't,

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01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 4: I don't see it. I think this is this is

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01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 4: only intended to distract, and God knows, I hope they

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Speaker 4: all keep their heads up and do the job that

1339
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 4: they're there to do with no bias on any side

1340
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 4: of it, no bias on any side of it, except

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01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 4: with a bias toward the law.

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Speaker 2: Do that. I wish that.

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Speaker 4: I wish that the same had been done in my

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01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 4: court case, that the bias had been toward the law

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01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 4: and not around an individual, whether you like them you

1346
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 4: hate them, whether you admire their politics or you don't,

1347
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 4: whether because of the color of their skin you think

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01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 4: that they are prone to criminal or whether they've actually

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Speaker 4: done something criminal.

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Speaker 5: And that's the thing too, That's what I wish.

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01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,600
Speaker 2: That's what I wish this thing was about.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing too though, Right like when I take

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01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: a step back, if I were in the courtroom with

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Speaker 1: the defendant, let's take Donald Trump out of it, this

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01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: is absolutely something that would come up, So that part

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01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: is not the distraction. Like you, you do have to

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01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: demonstrate any potential bias that could come up in a case.

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01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:32,520
Speaker 1: You should bring that up. I think what is frustrating

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01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: to me as a lawyer. I remember being in law

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01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: school and prosecute prosecuting prosecutors' offices trying to petition black

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Speaker 1: law students to become prosecutors.

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Speaker 5: They had a really hard.

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Speaker 1: Time getting us to stand on that side of the

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Speaker 1: law because we don't want to be with the man.

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01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: We have family members who've had evidence planning on them,

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01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: tampered evidence, you taken the money from a case, and.

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Speaker 5: Right, we know that.

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Speaker 1: And so now there are there's the face of many

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Speaker 1: black women prosecutors, Kamala Harris, Kim Fox, Marilyn Moseby, and

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Speaker 1: most of them have been the subject of this kind

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Speaker 1: of targeting. That's exactly why we don't want to go

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Speaker 1: do this. So I understand the side of it where

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Speaker 1: it's like, yes, this would come up in any course

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01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 1: case like this is this is something that would be

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01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: challenged if she appointed this man because of a personal relationship,

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01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: in any personal priety. I'm saying, if impropriety, then then

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Speaker 1: that does come up. And to your point, Andrew, yes,

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01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: it also does go to the bar. But I want

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Speaker 1: us to be very aware of the fact, and we're

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01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 1: all clear about the fact that when black people, black

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01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: women choose to become prosecutors, what they have to deal

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Speaker 1: with the allegations lodged against them, the ways in which

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Speaker 1: they have to defend their character, their integrity, and their

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Speaker 1: ability to stand in the court of law as a prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's it's it is remarkable, it really really.

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Speaker 5: I think made a really good point Angela about the

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Speaker 5: role of prosecutors, because that's something that gets sweeped over

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01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 5: as well. One Black people need to pursue these positions

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01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 5: because prosecutors decide what charges will be brought, if any

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01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 5: charges will be brought, So you do serve a role there.

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Speaker 5: And again I have to say the media played a role,

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01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 5: a huge role in who gets to be prosecutors as well.

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01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 5: When for the first time, when media started paying outside

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01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,839
Speaker 5: attention to police brutality, that is when people paid attention

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01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 5: to who prosecutors were. When they started paying attention to that,

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01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 5: then you saw the election of Kim Fox in Illinois,

1397
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 5: you saw the election of Marilyn Moseby in Baltimore. You

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01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 5: saw the election of multiple prosecutors of color across the country.

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Speaker 5: So just keep in mind these are elected positions. People

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01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 5: run to be DA's all over the country. This is

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01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 5: an area where you have a role in democracy. This

1402
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 5: is an area where you can say, this is what

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01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 5: I want my government to look like. And prosecutors play

1404
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 5: an outsized role in a very unforgiving criminal justice system

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01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 5: when it comes to black and brown folks. So that's

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01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 5: all I.

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01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 2: Got to say.

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01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 4: I've also heard rumors, and I've totally blown the gasket

1409
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 4: because I'm past my pain ads and my mouth is

1410
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 4: given to me real problems at the moment. But i

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01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 4: just have to say, I've heard rumors on rumors on

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01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 4: rumors of not just you know, prosecutors in my area

1413
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 4: and who they relate to, and who they socialize with

1414
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 4: and who they take trips with, and it's so well known,

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01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 4: you know, in these circles, and I've never in a

1416
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 4: legitimate environment her I think back to again, I will

1417
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 4: deepen into my own story at the right time for

1418
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 4: myself and for our listeners. But I'm looking at the

1419
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 4: local newspapers showing clips of me vacationing with a guy

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01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 4: I'll just say, for the sake of this conversation, Sean,

1421
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 4: who I've known and interned with my sophomore year in

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01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 4: high school and have known ever since. At his wedding,

1423
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,759
Speaker 4: the birth of his kids, so on and so forth

1424
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 4: pictures of he and I being on vacation, as if

1425
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 4: it is somehow nefarious and untoward. Yet colleagues who sat

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01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 4: on the same council who were on vacation with others,

1427
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 4: people who did business to the tune of millions and

1428
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 4: millions of dollars with the city government, not a mention

1429
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 4: of them, not a photograph. I'm not a mention out

1430
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 4: of anything. So the fact that when we do something

1431
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 4: that there's got to be something untoward and nefarious associated

1432
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 4: with it, and when they're doing it, they're just living,

1433
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 4: they're just existing, they're just they're upright and wholesome. And

1434
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 4: I just the double standard that exists there between the

1435
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 4: type of scrutiny between what we do that is commonplace,

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01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 4: that is every day, that is normal for them, that

1437
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 4: we've got to justify and explain and explain a way

1438
01:17:55,400 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 4: and justify and answer questions about when we're just paying

1439
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 4: our own way, maybe treating this friend to a lunch,

1440
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 4: no one ever interrogates their affordability. And by the way,

1441
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken, this question has to do with

1442
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 4: a flight that he may have bought for. Assumes somebody

1443
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 4: he was dating and that person he's dating happens to

1444
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 4: be in a turn. So she trumped up this whole excuse,

1445
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 4: pardon the pun, but Trump made up this whole case

1446
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 4: against Trump so she could get a free flight paid

1447
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 4: for by the government, a flight she could have bought herself.

1448
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 4: I mean, I just it's incredible to me the Lenks

1449
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 4: that we have to go to prove that we are

1450
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 4: just living an everyday experience similar to the ones that

1451
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 4: they have every day.

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01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't have to set aside forty five minutes

1453
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 5: for Andrew's testimony because he has so much and say

1454
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 5: about it, and I have a lot of questions about it.

1455
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 5: I know a little bit about it. But Andrew, I

1456
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 5: mean seriously, I have to tell you, people have no

1457
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,759
Speaker 5: idea what you went through. So I'm very much looking

1458
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 5: forward to you sharing that part of your story because

1459
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 5: I think it highlights the corrupt nature of what can

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01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 5: happen when power is in the wrong hands. So thank

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01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 5: you for giving us a teaser there, a little tidbit,

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01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 5: But I'm very much looking forward to that in the

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01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 5: coming weeks. All Right, when we come back, we're going

1464
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 5: to do a call to action, but we gotta pay

1465
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 5: some bills first. So don't go anywhere. We'll be right back.

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01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 5: Welcome back, everybody. It is now time for us to

1467
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 5: do our call to action. As you know, every week

1468
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 5: we will have a call to action for our native

1469
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 5: land pod family. So this week, kicking off the call

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01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 5: to action, I am going to kick it to my sister,

1471
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 5: who I just want to say this. She might get

1472
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 5: mad at me for saying it, but she's wearing her

1473
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 5: hair big today and I think it looks so beautiful

1474
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 5: when she lets her hair just dry and it looks

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01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 5: big and beautiful and curly and bouncy and healthy. Her

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01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 5: cousin Miya does my hair too, So shout out to

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01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 5: Mia Angela. What's your call to action? Moisturize the hair,

1478
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 5: condition the hair.

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01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I told you that I'm marr. We didn't

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01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: actually play his sound, but the New Hampshire GOP. I

1481
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: think he's the vice chair. Oh yes, the dreadlocks and

1482
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 1: started about right here. And I told Tip this was

1483
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: how my ISSH was gonna look when I leave. So

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01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: let me just show y'all.

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01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 5: Look, I'm pretty Darren close.

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01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 1: But you know, my call to action is one that

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01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about because you know, a lot of

1488
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: times people want to call you out, but the people

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01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: who really love you, and I think the listenership that

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01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 1: we're beginning to build, want to call us in. And

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01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:39,600
Speaker 1: sometimes corrective action can be loving. So there was a

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01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: there's some folks in the indigenous community who reached out

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01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: last week and they were worried about filling a race

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01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: with the pod, and I asked them if they'd heard

1495
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 1: some of our explanations. Some of them I know we're

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01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,560
Speaker 1: going to release. We have about fifteen minutes of a

1497
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: conversation where we talked about what native lamp pod means

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01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 1: to us.

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01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 5: And so my first call to action to all.

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Speaker 1: Of you is to think about what Native lamppod means

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01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,639
Speaker 1: to you, what it means to have a place where

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01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: you can be home, even if it is virtual for

1503
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: an hour or so or so emphasis on or so

1504
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 1: every week. And then the second thing I would do is,

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01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: even when you're in conflict with someone, I would like

1506
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 1: for you to take a step back, think about what

1507
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 1: it means to communicate your position outside of the lane

1508
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: of fear and talk to them from your real perspective.

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01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 1: You might be afraid of being a race, because that's

1510
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: all you've ever seen as an individual or as a person.

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01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,879
Speaker 1: But what if that wasn't their intent, what if their desire,

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01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 1: their deepest desire, our deepest desire is for you to

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01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: feel seen and heard, which is indeed the case.

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01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 5: And so shout out to the community who.

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01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 1: Said, we don't necessarily feel seen and heard. And here

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Speaker 1: are some of the ways that you can invite us

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Speaker 1: in make sure that we have a seat at the

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Speaker 1: table because our seat was stolen when we just offer

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Speaker 1: a seat to others. I'm so grateful for that. You

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Speaker 1: will hear more about that. It will be a surprise

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Speaker 1: for next week from some more of that conversation and

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Speaker 1: in what we decided as a collective, as a coalition

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Speaker 1: for how we can ensure Indigenous folks Indian Country and

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Speaker 1: every other BIPOC community member has a seat at the

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Speaker 1: table and always feels welcome home here.

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Speaker 5: So that's my call to action. I love that. I love,

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Speaker 5: love love that call to action. As y'all know, Andrew

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Speaker 5: had surgery and is uh dealing poor poor baby. We're

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Speaker 5: gonna call I think we should call Andrew baby. Every

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Speaker 5: e do it?

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Speaker 2: Like, Yes, that's the whole thing about that too. We

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Speaker 2: can dive deep boy.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, oh yeah, we could get into Andrew because

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Speaker 5: we talked politics all the time, and my call to

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Speaker 5: action has nothing to do with politics. I was going

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Speaker 5: to jump in and get my call to action and

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Speaker 5: let you close out the show, but I want to

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Speaker 5: make sure you feel okay to do that. Okay, So

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Speaker 5: my call to action has nothing to do with politics,

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Speaker 5: and I'll be really quick. My call to action is,

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Speaker 5: please adopt, don't shop. If you know me, you know

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Speaker 5: I love dogs and I see people go to breeders

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Speaker 5: all the time and it just breaks my heart because

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Speaker 5: pitbulls are my absolute favorite breed. They're the nicest, sweetest dogs.

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Speaker 5: Don't believe the hype, and tens of thousands are euthanized

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Speaker 5: every month in shelters, and so I say, if you

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Speaker 5: want to welcome pet into your home, please visit your

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Speaker 5: local animal shelter. They are amazing dogs there. You don't

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Speaker 5: have to go to a breeder. If you don't want

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Speaker 5: to go to a shelter, at least go to a

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Speaker 5: rescue program if you're looking for a specific breed. But

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Speaker 5: dogs are commitments. I mean, these are like two year

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Speaker 5: old toddlers who never grow up and it is a

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Speaker 5: twelve to fifteen year commitment to care for your fur babies,

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Speaker 5: so please adopt, don't shop. That's my call to ask

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Speaker 5: likes to thank you.

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Speaker 4: Mine is very personal this week, y'all, which is get

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Speaker 4: your wisdom teeth pulled before you end up forties.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, use that from its Yes, go to the dentist,

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Speaker 5: Go to the dentists. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, first of all, we just want to thank you all.

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Speaker 1: We're starting to get so many more questions and we

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Speaker 1: love to bring you all right in.

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Speaker 5: We say welcome home, and we mean it.

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Speaker 1: where you're from at the top of that question, and

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Speaker 1: sure we get to it every week. You can follow

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Speaker 1: us at native lamppod. Before we end the show, I

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Speaker 1: Angela Raie, Tiffany Cross, Andrew Gillum and there are two

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty four days until election Day.

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