WEBVTT - THE L WORD with Brian Van Holt... (S2 E10 "The Caste System") 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:09.960 you a Charlotte? You guys everyone listening, thank you for 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:12.680 joining us. We are here, and are you a Charlotte 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.120 With incredible Ran van Holt. 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:17.800 I am so excited to. 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:18.280 Have him here. 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:21.760 I am so excited to be here. Thank you, thank you, 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:23.480 thank you. It's very pleasure. 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:26.079 It's such a great episode. And plus I just love 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:26.560 to see you. 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:27.640 I love to see you too. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.920 I have such great memories of that period and that 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:35.040 that moment in our lives and that whole experience, and 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:37.879 you know a lot of it, you know, had to 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:40.879 do with you, and you know you just you're one 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.479 of a kind and you're so I'm just so. 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:44.400 Happy to thank you. 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.280 Let's talk about that time, because I remember that time 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.960 as being that summer. It would have been two thousand, 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.280 right or nineteen ninety nine. Are we still in nineteen. 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:58.240 Ninety nine, We're in the nineties. We're dating. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.600 I don't even know if I should say, but like 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.480 I remember talking about nineteen ninety nine. This episode is 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.600 called The Cast System and it aired on August eighth, 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.320 nineteen ninety nine, so we had filmed it like in 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.200 the spring you know, I think right like not too 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:15.200 far in advance, and I remember like it was kind 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:16.479 of a glorious year. 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.399 It was the second It was a glorious year. And 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:23.399 to be in New York in the nineties it was 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:25.000 special in and of itself. 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.800 And I was in my twenties and being in your 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.600 twenties and in the nineties in New York City, you know, 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.040 beginning and trying to make it as an actor as 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:41.360 an artist was an incredible an incredible time to be alive. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.040 I have the fondest, the best memories. 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.720 I have. One of my favorite moments of my not 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.440 just my career but my life was was that time 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:51.320 in New York time. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.800 Right, But we had no idea really, you know, I guess, 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:56.680 which is always true. You don't really know what the time, 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:00.160 how special it is, no, And I remember right in 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:01.400 it right to my. 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.880 Parents, my dad, you know, you know say that all 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:05.160 the time or said that all the time. 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:06.680 You just don't know. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.440 How how good we have it or had it until 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:13.400 it's gone or just yeah, it just it's hard, you know, 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.880 it's it was, yeah, it was, it was. It'sant looking back, 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.160 it was, uh, you know, people don't get it the 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:21.040 younger generation. 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:21.680 I tried to. 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.160 Explain to him, I mean, this is before green cell 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.360 phones just came out. I didn't have I mean I 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.520 probably just got a cell phone when we were shooting 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:30.360 your little flip. 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:32.560 I get it out as an episode to remember. 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:34.880 I had, you know, we're going to jump all over 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:35.160 the place. 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.120 I had a page or so when I when I 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:39.920 I didn't want to move move back to l A. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.600 I thought it was gonna be temporary. But I got 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.720 a storage in it and in Manhattan because I thought 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.560 it was going to come back, right, And when I 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:50.679 went back to finally clean it out not that long ago, 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:51.239 by the way. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:52.000 What. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.160 I'm like, I'm like, what do I still I'm still 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.480 paying Manhattan or whatever? 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.800 No way, and I got what the hell do I 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.240 have in here? It was like I had, first of 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:12.520 all two pages, those two pages. 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.400 Poems that I had written and taken back from like 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:20.720 ex girlfriends and like weird just stuff that notes journals 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:21.720 and bad furniture. 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:22.720 Amazing. 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.280 But the pagers, yeah, we were you know, it was 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.560 a different time, meaning we didn't have social media, we 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:33.040 didn't have cell phone. Cell phone cameras probably just came out, 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.760 but it was more of an innocent free. 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.360 So free you could kind of do anything you wanted 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:41.400 and no one knew. 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:44.720 I missed those days. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.520 Let me ask you what was going on, because this 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:49.720 is the kind of thing we're like at the time. 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:52.160 I remember being so excited that we got you. 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.040 I don't know exactly, like we were in the middle 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:56.840 of the season, and as you know, we would shoot 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.040 really late, and you know, I was really tired, But 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.720 I don't remember, like, what was going on in your career? 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:03.960 How did did you go to auditions? Did we just 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:04.520 call you? 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.120 I'm so glad that she asked it, because I was 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:11.400 trying to remember how that came about. Because the show, 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.560 first of all, to be on your show was such 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:15.920 a he was such a big deal. 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.680 Everybody wanted to be on it. It is the second season. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.480 It just you know, obviously everybody knows what happened first 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.040 season right out of the gates. It just as a 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:31.520 juggernaut cultural like pioneering is very important in amazing show, 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.280 and so it was very competitive within our I'm sure 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.640 across the country, but especially in New York. It's a 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.920 you know, this smaller group of just just a smaller 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.240 group of actors and smaller business in general, but it 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.400 was very competitive to be on your show, and it 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.960 was a big deal get it to to be on 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:49.800 And I think I had auditioned a couple of. 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.680 Times for other parts, for other parts, and I think 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:56.560 it was Carrie or who was the casting Kerry Marry, 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:57.720 Billy Hopkins. 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:02.039 Yes, good, Yeah, for other parts on the show or 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.360 some other shows. But I you know, it was when 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.080 I first moved, When I moved to New York, that's 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.120 when I really started to work as an actor. 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:10.640 I can get a job here. 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:12.440 Amazing, that's so weird. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.000 And I know I had had to move to New 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:15.680 York to make it. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.520 Now, maybe you just look too good because like a 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.440 lot of the good looking actors were here in LA 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:21.000 it was. 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:22.000 Yeah, I know I. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.560 Definitely probably looked a little different or stood out a 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.440 little different than the New York. 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:31.239 Yeah. But so I had just I didn't really. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:35.360 I mean, I had just finished the film with Independent 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:39.080 Film opposite, you know, Amanda Pete, and I had done 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:40.520 a few gigs like Homicide. 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:41.480 I did all the New York. 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.640 Oh my gosh, amazing. 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:48.440 I'd done Homicide was amazing, such a great show. 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.640 I think that's part of that's that's I think that 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:56.040 character in that role helped get me this job. I 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.680 played the Andrew Kunan of Baltimore. Basically, I was a 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.320 gay hustler killing rich gay men. 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:03.919 I don't remember this. 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:08.720 I've got to rewatch Homicide on the Street. Oh my gosh, Brian. 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:12.159 Well, it's you're laughing too, because I've been so lucky 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.200 and so fortunate to play these characters that have these 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:21.520 incredible lines or dialogue, and then we'll talk about our phenomenon, 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.480 which I still to this day I hear about it 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:26.240 to this day. 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:29.760 I had some great stories. I can't wait to share 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:30.599 some stories with you. 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.840 But you know, go ahead, go ahead whenever you want 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:34.360 to stay. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:39.320 And we had so much to unpack. But so so anyway, yeah, 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.800 I played that role helped. I think we sent them 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:49.200 the VHS cassette real to the producer for your to 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.640 your show. And I don't know if I got an offer, 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:53.479 if I had to audition for this particular role, but 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:57.200 I remember reading the script and and and and dying 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:58.440 and going, oh my god. 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.360 Do I really get to do this? Do I really 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:05.240 get to play this guy? W forward? Yeah, which you 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.159 know we can you probably know more about it than 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:08.400 I do. 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.520 But I don't. I don't. 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.239 I don't do you. Did you guys have table reads 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:13.600 back then? 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:17.560 Yes, we had table reads. I don't remember our table read. 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:21.160 Though we didn't have one. Okay, I mean the whole 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:27.520 character and it's hysterical classic. We probably washed it up 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:28.520 more than we actually talked. 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.720 And the limits I'm sure we did. I have no doubt. 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.440 My face was so redeek. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.320 That was so funny. Nice to meet you get. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:40.160 In the back of the limits, but it wasn't hard. 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:41.040 It worked out. 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.040 It was so kind by the way you were so 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.840 gracious and welcoming, and to be honest, that was, you know, 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:47.680 super nervous. 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:48.440 Did you. 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:49.760 I could not tell. 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.640 I thought you were so perfectly cast because you were 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:55.960 having to play a movie star, which is a very hard. 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.760 Thing to do, perfect douchebag movie start. 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.280 No, I am that's prevcate. It's not the apple doesn't 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:04.240 fall far from the tree. 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.480 That's not true. But you know, it's funny. 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.320 And this is what's funny about rewatching In my mind, right, 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:11.960 I hadn't remember. 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:12.640 The douchebag part. 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:14.400 Really, Yeah, I just. 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.520 Remember that I loved you and you were great. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.960 I enjoyed kissing you, and it was fun because it 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:24.000 was a departure from Charlotte's normal storylines, right, and at 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:25.880 that point she is kind of all over the place 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.480 in certain ways that I also am sometimes like, oh 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.000 my god, I'm doing this and I'm doing that. I 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.400 don't remember, but I remember you very clearly because it 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.160 was so much fun and I thought it was so great. 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:39.760 And it's really weird to rewatch and see Number one, 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.320 you are such a jerk in the end, your character 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:43.120 of course not you. 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.240 Like, but I don't remember. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.559 So I was like, oh my god, I totally forgot 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.240 this entire scene, That entire scene at the restaurant washed 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.880 from my brain. Oh my god, just the happy art 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:54.880 art scene and the car making and this. 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:58.800 Gallery scene is hysterical, so great well written. I mean, yes, 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.760 the whole episode in the show in general is it's 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:03.240 so good. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:04.199 It's a good one. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.840 But I was, you know, yeah, I was really I was, 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:08.120 you know, nervous. 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.600 No, I just thought you were perfectly past because to me, 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:15.839 you embody that kind of like really relaxed confidence. I mean, 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.400 you're beautiful, obviously, you're tall and so good looking, but 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:20.240 don't really. 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:21.440 Know it and care. 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.800 You know what I'm saying, You've got that ease, you know, 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.560 and like at that point, like when I look back 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.959 on it, it seems almost like a Leonardo DiCaprio thing. 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.800 But at the time in our minds, I think it 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.319 was a George Clooney thing or a Brad Pitt thing. 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.600 I think this is my character was loosely based on 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:41.679 Leo and Toby in the. 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:46.360 And Toby you can say anything you want. 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:48.240 I don't even know if this is true. This is 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:54.400 probably all rumored and hearsay, but pussy Posse you Oh, 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:58.319 my character Wylie Ford was loosely based on the Pussy 0:09:58.360 --> 0:09:59.559 Posse Shenanigans. 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.160 Okay, that's what I was told. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.240 Wow, they probably kept that from me so that I 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:05.040 wouldn't judge it. 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.720 Actually, I'm glad they did. I'm glad they did. But 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.960 you know, I just, you know, I'm like, this is great. 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.600 I get to channel my inner douchebag, and I just 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.040 kind of embraced it. And it was you know, not 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.720 only you know, fulfilling, you know, creatively, but it was 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:21.559 also very. 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:22.760 Therapeutic, was it. 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:27.720 Yeah, you know, because you know that part of the business, 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:29.520 you know, I had to really, I still struggle with 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:31.760 the bit, you know, and especially when I get it, yeah, 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.160 and especially being young. And you know, that's half the 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.040 reason why I left La to move to New York. 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.679 I love La and I love California. I'm a California kid. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.800 Just a business in New York was more, I think, 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.800 more suited for what I was trying to do. And 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:54.040 so I have a very strong opinion and judgment about 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.880 certain Hollywood things, you know, and right people, So yeah, 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.200 and so I enjoyed trying to go how can I'd 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.120 be as douchey as possible. 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.320 Something that I don't really care for? 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.480 Definitely, and who would care for that? I mean, it 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:09.520 is so ick. 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.920 And that's so funny to me that I didn't remember 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:13.600 that part. But I think I didn't remember that part 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.120 because you're so not that way, right, So, like that 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:17.320 part was the scene that we. 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:19.880 Did and we had to be hope Yeah that No, 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:21.760 you weren't that way in any way, shape or form. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:23.920 You were a joy, you know, And so I just 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.400 remember the positives because you know, as an actor, you 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.960 remember the experience of filming more so than the finished product. 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:35.080 Right, yeah, exactly. You know, that's a good point. It's true. Yeah, 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:36.160 but you know I did so. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.160 I did a lot of research for that, for that role, 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.840 just to you know, how did that go? Did you 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:42.600 learn new things? 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:42.839 Oh? 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.280 It came out with a few wounds. No, I know, 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:46.120 I'm just kidding. 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:47.840 I mean you look, you could have been doing all 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:48.960 that stuff if you wanted to. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.720 I mean, seriously, you could have. 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.960 I remember, you were very devoted. You were very devoted boyfriend. 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:01.800 It was adorable, meaning like at the time, you know, 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.439 you were you were very much not like a player 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.000 or all the things that you were that your part was. 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:07.640 You were not that. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:09.080 Yeah, and I respected that. 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:10.239 It was impressive. 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:16.960 Thank you, You're welcome. Yeah, I mean yeah, well if 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:21.280 I weren't, I'm definitely a Charlene. I didn't Charlotte. I 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:23.920 didn't remember that either. He's like, oh my god, he 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:24.920 just keeps going. 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.600 Me about my wrong name, and I'm just hanging in 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.640 there and the other thing that I didn't remember. And 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.319 then we'll get to the whole show. But like our 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.640 storyline is, it's pretty funny. I have to say, he's 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.040 pretty good and succinct, but so good, you know what 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:40.280 I'm saying, Like so packed, Like when I call Carrie 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.960 and she literally sits up in bed and says, get 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:43.960 out of there right now. 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.600 And I completely ignore her, like it is not even 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:49.080 I'm just like blah blah, blah blah. 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:50.960 And he's peeing in the alley. 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:51.840 Isn't that funny? 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:52.760 He's taking a luke. 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:54.559 I'm like, it's not adorable. 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:59.800 I mean, it's Charlotte, like if she taking drugs or 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.240 like it's so interesting and that I had not even 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.000 remembered that you blow pop smoke. And I at the 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:10.280 same time was trying to navigate our business mostly in LA, 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:14.880 because I do associate that kind of like weird behavior 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:16.959 and kind of party vibe and all that with LA 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.360 that was already sober, and I did have kind of 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.160 similar experiences to this, where I'd be at. 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.080 Like a dinner party set up with an actor. 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.760 I could name, but I probably I don't know if 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.640 I should, But like I think it had happened maybe 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:33.600 the year before this. 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:35.960 I'm watching it and I'm thinking, did I tell our 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:37.000 writers this story? 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:37.840 You know? 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.839 Back then, like we would feel very paranoid, like if 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.840 we talked to the writers that it might end up 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.440 in the show, right, so true, we would try to 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.080 be like, oh they're coming, be quiet, be quiet, if 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.880 we were like talking to each other, you know, chairs. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.760 Right, that's a great point. It's exactly that does happen. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:55.120 It totally does happen. 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.400 And because our writers were always trying to not write 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.360 fictional things like someone I had to know someone or whatever, 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.280 but usually it was their stories which gave us kind 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.360 of the freedom to play them if they weren't our own, right. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.119 But like I had had an experience with a situation 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.520 where I think a lawyer that I knew had said. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.400 Oh, should I just tell the story? I should just 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:17.560 tell the story. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.640 So I had been set up by a really nice 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.440 lawyer who I still know. He's not my lawyer, but 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.480 he's a nice lawyer. And I've been set up with 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:31.200 Matthew Perry. And this is like ninety eight, ninety nine, 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.360 ninety seven. Maybe I feel like it was like between 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:38.600 Melrose Place, which I did before the City, and. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.200 It was at a house, it was a dinner party. 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:42.560 It was so low key. I thought. 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:44.280 I was like, oh, it's so low key, And I 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.480 remember I had taken a bunch of roses from my 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.560 garden with me, like it's so weird. But I was like, whatever. 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:51.880 So I go to this dinner party. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.320 I bring my little flowers. 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:55.840 You know, it's a bunch of Hollywood people. I don't 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.640 even know who I was there other than this lawyer 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:58.200 at Matthew. 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:00.880 I feel like, have I met Matthew briefly? You know 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:02.840 how you would meet everyone out and about. 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.200 But I wasn't drinking or doing drugs, so I wasn't 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.760 really cool, you know, ever, right, which was fine, you know, 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:10.640 And I was like, I hope I can still succeed 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.560 without doing all this stuff. And it was not clear 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.040 in the nineties if you could do me I do. 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.880 It was a lot going on, a lot, right, Yes. 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.200 So I go to this dinner party. Matthew's lovely. He 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:23.280 sits next to me. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.400 And he's talking about how thrilled he is, how happy 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.080 they are on the set at Friends, and he was 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:33.480 doing a film with Oh my god, my god, my god, 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.560 it's gonna come to me in a minute. Amazing actress, 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:42.120 still functioning, great, great, great woman, good job. 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:43.640 She's out in the desert. 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.600 Right. So, like he would film at Friends and then 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.280 they'd put him in a car and drive them out 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:48.720 to the desert and they'd film all night. 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.200 Then he'd drive back. It was very hard, right. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.800 I think it's kind of how some of his problems 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.440 got like really aggravated and exacerbated. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.120 I was like, wow, he's so happy. And I had 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:00.960 been around Melrose. 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:04.480 And they it wasn't the happiest place in a way, 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.600 you know, And it was like stressy. There were fifteen 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.160 series regulars, you know, everyone had the feeling they might. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.800 Get cut or whatever. It was that competitive and stressy, 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:15.160 you know. 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.640 So I was like, Wow, that's amazing, you're so happy. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.520 So cut to after dinner and all the pot comes out. 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.480 They start just passing the pot around and I'm like, oh, 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.600 also me and pot. Very bad combination I had earlier 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.080 found out before I was sober, Like I just get 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.560 super paranoid and unhappy and time stops. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.320 Like it's a horrible, horrible experience. 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:38.320 Right Yeah. 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.760 So I'm like, well, I number one, I was really 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.440 into my riet at that point because you kind of 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:43.120 had to be in the middle. 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.880 I did not know that. Yeah, and that's I'm proud. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:50.240 That amazing. I'm so lucky I was sober for a 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.640 while right as well. Not that's good. 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:54.440 I thought it was the best thing I ever did. 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:56.800 I'm no longer, so I have to be honest. So 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.720 but you can be honest no longer. Well, I like 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:04.800 to lot. Sorry, no, but I'm there's a lot of 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.400 people in our industry that are sober and uh doing 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:13.320 extremely uh well. And I was fortunate enough to be 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.560 part of certain men's at that time with a lot 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:15.880 of our. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:17.000 I've heard about these. 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:21.399 Yeah, never been to men group. There's one rule that 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.359 you don't there's one rule. 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.000 That I'm not going to work out, but I love 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.680 to Whenever I do meet someone who has those experiences, 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.640 I'm so happy because, as we're saying, in the nineties, 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.640 it just seemed like to fit in and be foolish. 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.160 It's so difficult. 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.720 It's more, it's more acceptable now I know what you're 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:42.360 what you're saying, You're absolutely right. 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.280