1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? You guys everyone listening, thank you for 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: joining us. We are here, and are you a Charlotte 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: With incredible Ran van Holt. 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: I am so excited to. 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: Have him here. 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 3: I am so excited to be here. Thank you, thank you, 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 3: thank you. It's very pleasure. 9 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: It's such a great episode. And plus I just love 10 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: to see you. 11 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 3: I love to see you too. 12 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 4: I have such great memories of that period and that 13 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 4: that moment in our lives and that whole experience, and 14 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 4: you know a lot of it, you know, had to 15 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 4: do with you, and you know you just you're one 16 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 4: of a kind and you're so I'm just so. 17 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 3: Happy to thank you. 18 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: Let's talk about that time, because I remember that time 19 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: as being that summer. It would have been two thousand, 20 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: right or nineteen ninety nine. Are we still in nineteen. 21 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: Ninety nine, We're in the nineties. We're dating. 22 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: I don't even know if I should say, but like 23 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: I remember talking about nineteen ninety nine. This episode is 24 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: called The Cast System and it aired on August eighth, 25 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, so we had filmed it like in 26 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: the spring you know, I think right like not too 27 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: far in advance, and I remember like it was kind 28 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: of a glorious year. 29 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 3: It was the second It was a glorious year. And 30 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 3: to be in New York in the nineties it was 31 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 3: special in and of itself. 32 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 4: And I was in my twenties and being in your 33 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 4: twenties and in the nineties in New York City, you know, 34 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 4: beginning and trying to make it as an actor as 35 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 4: an artist was an incredible an incredible time to be alive. 36 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 3: I have the fondest, the best memories. 37 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 4: I have. One of my favorite moments of my not 38 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 4: just my career but my life was was that time 39 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 4: in New York time. 40 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: Right, But we had no idea really, you know, I guess, 41 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: which is always true. You don't really know what the time, 42 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: how special it is, no, And I remember right in 43 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: it right to my. 44 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 4: Parents, my dad, you know, you know say that all 45 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 4: the time or said that all the time. 46 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: You just don't know. 47 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 4: How how good we have it or had it until 48 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 4: it's gone or just yeah, it just it's hard, you know, 49 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 4: it's it was, yeah, it was, it was. It'sant looking back, 50 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 4: it was, uh, you know, people don't get it the 51 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 4: younger generation. 52 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 3: I tried to. 53 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 4: Explain to him, I mean, this is before green cell 54 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 4: phones just came out. I didn't have I mean I 55 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 4: probably just got a cell phone when we were shooting 56 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 4: your little flip. 57 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: I get it out as an episode to remember. 58 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: I had, you know, we're going to jump all over 59 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: the place. 60 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 4: I had a page or so when I when I 61 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 4: I didn't want to move move back to l A. 62 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 4: I thought it was gonna be temporary. But I got 63 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 4: a storage in it and in Manhattan because I thought 64 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 4: it was going to come back, right, And when I 65 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 4: went back to finally clean it out not that long ago, 66 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 4: by the way. 67 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: What. 68 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm like, what do I still I'm still 69 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: paying Manhattan or whatever? 70 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 5: No way, and I got what the hell do I 71 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 5: have in here? It was like I had, first of 72 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 5: all two pages, those two pages. 73 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 4: Poems that I had written and taken back from like 74 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 4: ex girlfriends and like weird just stuff that notes journals 75 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 4: and bad furniture. 76 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: Amazing. 77 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 4: But the pagers, yeah, we were you know, it was 78 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 4: a different time, meaning we didn't have social media, we 79 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 4: didn't have cell phone. Cell phone cameras probably just came out, 80 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 4: but it was more of an innocent free. 81 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: So free you could kind of do anything you wanted 82 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: and no one knew. 83 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: I missed those days. 84 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: Let me ask you what was going on, because this 85 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: is the kind of thing we're like at the time. 86 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: I remember being so excited that we got you. 87 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, like we were in the middle 88 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: of the season, and as you know, we would shoot 89 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: really late, and you know, I was really tired, But 90 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: I don't remember, like, what was going on in your career? 91 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: How did did you go to auditions? Did we just 92 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: call you? 93 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 4: I'm so glad that she asked it, because I was 94 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: trying to remember how that came about. Because the show, 95 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 4: first of all, to be on your show was such 96 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 4: a he was such a big deal. 97 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: Everybody wanted to be on it. It is the second season. 98 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 4: It just you know, obviously everybody knows what happened first 99 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 4: season right out of the gates. It just as a 100 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 4: juggernaut cultural like pioneering is very important in amazing show, 101 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 4: and so it was very competitive within our I'm sure 102 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 4: across the country, but especially in New York. It's a 103 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 4: you know, this smaller group of just just a smaller 104 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 4: group of actors and smaller business in general, but it 105 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 4: was very competitive to be on your show, and it 106 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 4: was a big deal get it to to be on 107 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 4: And I think I had auditioned a couple of. 108 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: Times for other parts, for other parts, and I think 109 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: it was Carrie or who was the casting Kerry Marry, 110 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 3: Billy Hopkins. 111 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 4: Yes, good, Yeah, for other parts on the show or 112 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 4: some other shows. But I you know, it was when 113 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 4: I first moved, When I moved to New York, that's 114 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 4: when I really started to work as an actor. 115 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: I can get a job here. 116 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: Amazing, that's so weird. 117 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 3: And I know I had had to move to New 118 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 3: York to make it. 119 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: Now, maybe you just look too good because like a 120 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: lot of the good looking actors were here in LA 121 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: it was. 122 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know I. 123 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 4: Definitely probably looked a little different or stood out a 124 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 4: little different than the New York. 125 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 3: Yeah. But so I had just I didn't really. 126 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 4: I mean, I had just finished the film with Independent 127 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: Film opposite, you know, Amanda Pete, and I had done 128 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 4: a few gigs like Homicide. 129 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 3: I did all the New York. 130 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, amazing. 131 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: I'd done Homicide was amazing, such a great show. 132 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 4: I think that's part of that's that's I think that 133 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 4: character in that role helped get me this job. I 134 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 4: played the Andrew Kunan of Baltimore. Basically, I was a 135 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 4: gay hustler killing rich gay men. 136 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 3: I don't remember this. 137 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: I've got to rewatch Homicide on the Street. Oh my gosh, Brian. 138 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 4: Well, it's you're laughing too, because I've been so lucky 139 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 4: and so fortunate to play these characters that have these 140 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 4: incredible lines or dialogue, and then we'll talk about our phenomenon, 141 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 4: which I still to this day I hear about it 142 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 4: to this day. 143 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: I had some great stories. I can't wait to share 144 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 3: some stories with you. 145 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: But you know, go ahead, go ahead whenever you want 146 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: to stay. 147 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 4: And we had so much to unpack. But so so anyway, yeah, 148 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 4: I played that role helped. I think we sent them 149 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 4: the VHS cassette real to the producer for your to 150 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 4: your show. And I don't know if I got an offer, 151 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 4: if I had to audition for this particular role, but 152 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 4: I remember reading the script and and and and dying 153 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 4: and going, oh my god. 154 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 3: Do I really get to do this? Do I really 155 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: get to play this guy? W forward? Yeah, which you 156 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 3: know we can you probably know more about it than 157 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 3: I do. 158 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't. 159 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 3: I don't do you. Did you guys have table reads 160 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 3: back then? 161 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: Yes, we had table reads. I don't remember our table read. 162 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: Though we didn't have one. Okay, I mean the whole 163 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 3: character and it's hysterical classic. We probably washed it up 164 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: more than we actually talked. 165 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: And the limits I'm sure we did. I have no doubt. 166 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: My face was so redeek. 167 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: That was so funny. Nice to meet you get. 168 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: In the back of the limits, but it wasn't hard. 169 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: It worked out. 170 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 4: It was so kind by the way you were so 171 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 4: gracious and welcoming, and to be honest, that was, you know, 172 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 4: super nervous. 173 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: Did you. 174 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: I could not tell. 175 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: I thought you were so perfectly cast because you were 176 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: having to play a movie star, which is a very hard. 177 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: Thing to do, perfect douchebag movie start. 178 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 4: No, I am that's prevcate. It's not the apple doesn't 179 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 4: fall far from the tree. 180 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: That's not true. But you know, it's funny. 181 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: And this is what's funny about rewatching In my mind, right, 182 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: I hadn't remember. 183 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: The douchebag part. 184 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, I just. 185 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: Remember that I loved you and you were great. 186 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: I enjoyed kissing you, and it was fun because it 187 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: was a departure from Charlotte's normal storylines, right, and at 188 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: that point she is kind of all over the place 189 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: in certain ways that I also am sometimes like, oh 190 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: my god, I'm doing this and I'm doing that. I 191 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: don't remember, but I remember you very clearly because it 192 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: was so much fun and I thought it was so great. 193 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: And it's really weird to rewatch and see Number one, 194 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: you are such a jerk in the end, your character 195 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: of course not you. 196 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: Like, but I don't remember. 197 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: So I was like, oh my god, I totally forgot 198 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: this entire scene, That entire scene at the restaurant washed 199 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: from my brain. Oh my god, just the happy art 200 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: art scene and the car making and this. 201 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 4: Gallery scene is hysterical, so great well written. I mean, yes, 202 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 4: the whole episode in the show in general is it's 203 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 4: so good. 204 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 2: It's a good one. 205 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 3: But I was, you know, yeah, I was really I was, 206 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 3: you know, nervous. 207 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: No, I just thought you were perfectly past because to me, 208 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: you embody that kind of like really relaxed confidence. I mean, 209 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: you're beautiful, obviously, you're tall and so good looking, but 210 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: don't really. 211 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 2: Know it and care. 212 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You've got that ease, you know, 213 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: and like at that point, like when I look back 214 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: on it, it seems almost like a Leonardo DiCaprio thing. 215 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: But at the time in our minds, I think it 216 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: was a George Clooney thing or a Brad Pitt thing. 217 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 4: I think this is my character was loosely based on 218 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 4: Leo and Toby in the. 219 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: And Toby you can say anything you want. 220 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 4: I don't even know if this is true. This is 221 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 4: probably all rumored and hearsay, but pussy Posse you Oh, 222 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 4: my character Wylie Ford was loosely based on the Pussy 223 00:09:58,360 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 4: Posse Shenanigans. 224 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I was told. 225 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: Wow, they probably kept that from me so that I 226 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: wouldn't judge it. 227 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 4: Actually, I'm glad they did. I'm glad they did. But 228 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 4: you know, I just, you know, I'm like, this is great. 229 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 4: I get to channel my inner douchebag, and I just 230 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 4: kind of embraced it. And it was you know, not 231 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 4: only you know, fulfilling, you know, creatively, but it was 232 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 4: also very. 233 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 3: Therapeutic, was it. 234 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, because you know that part of the business, 235 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 4: you know, I had to really, I still struggle with 236 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 4: the bit, you know, and especially when I get it, yeah, 237 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 4: and especially being young. And you know, that's half the 238 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 4: reason why I left La to move to New York. 239 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 4: I love La and I love California. I'm a California kid. 240 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 4: Just a business in New York was more, I think, 241 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 4: more suited for what I was trying to do. And 242 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 4: so I have a very strong opinion and judgment about 243 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 4: certain Hollywood things, you know, and right people, So yeah, 244 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 4: and so I enjoyed trying to go how can I'd 245 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 4: be as douchey as possible. 246 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 3: Something that I don't really care for? 247 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: Definitely, and who would care for that? I mean, it 248 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: is so ick. 249 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: And that's so funny to me that I didn't remember 250 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: that part. But I think I didn't remember that part 251 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: because you're so not that way, right, So, like that 252 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: part was the scene that we. 253 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: Did and we had to be hope Yeah that No, 254 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: you weren't that way in any way, shape or form. 255 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: You were a joy, you know, And so I just 256 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: remember the positives because you know, as an actor, you 257 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: remember the experience of filming more so than the finished product. 258 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 4: Right, yeah, exactly. You know, that's a good point. It's true. Yeah, 259 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 4: but you know I did so. 260 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: I did a lot of research for that, for that role, 261 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: just to you know, how did that go? Did you 262 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: learn new things? 263 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 4: Oh? 264 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: It came out with a few wounds. No, I know, 265 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. 266 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: I mean you look, you could have been doing all 267 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: that stuff if you wanted to. 268 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, you could have. 269 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: I remember, you were very devoted. You were very devoted boyfriend. 270 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: It was adorable, meaning like at the time, you know, 271 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: you were you were very much not like a player 272 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: or all the things that you were that your part was. 273 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: You were not that. 274 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I respected that. 275 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,239 Speaker 2: It was impressive. 276 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 3: Thank you, You're welcome. Yeah, I mean yeah, well if 277 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 3: I weren't, I'm definitely a Charlene. I didn't Charlotte. I 278 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: didn't remember that either. He's like, oh my god, he 279 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: just keeps going. 280 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: Me about my wrong name, and I'm just hanging in 281 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: there and the other thing that I didn't remember. And 282 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: then we'll get to the whole show. But like our 283 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: storyline is, it's pretty funny. I have to say, he's 284 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: pretty good and succinct, but so good, you know what 285 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like so packed, Like when I call Carrie 286 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: and she literally sits up in bed and says, get 287 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: out of there right now. 288 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: And I completely ignore her, like it is not even 289 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: I'm just like blah blah, blah blah. 290 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 3: And he's peeing in the alley. 291 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: Isn't that funny? 292 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: He's taking a luke. 293 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 2: I'm like, it's not adorable. 294 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's Charlotte, like if she taking drugs or 295 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: like it's so interesting and that I had not even 296 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: remembered that you blow pop smoke. And I at the 297 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: same time was trying to navigate our business mostly in LA, 298 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: because I do associate that kind of like weird behavior 299 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: and kind of party vibe and all that with LA 300 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: that was already sober, and I did have kind of 301 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: similar experiences to this, where I'd be at. 302 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 2: Like a dinner party set up with an actor. 303 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: I could name, but I probably I don't know if 304 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: I should, But like I think it had happened maybe 305 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: the year before this. 306 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: I'm watching it and I'm thinking, did I tell our 307 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: writers this story? 308 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 3: You know? 309 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: Back then, like we would feel very paranoid, like if 310 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: we talked to the writers that it might end up 311 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: in the show, right, so true, we would try to 312 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: be like, oh they're coming, be quiet, be quiet, if 313 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: we were like talking to each other, you know, chairs. 314 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 3: Right, that's a great point. It's exactly that does happen. 315 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: It totally does happen. 316 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: And because our writers were always trying to not write 317 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: fictional things like someone I had to know someone or whatever, 318 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: but usually it was their stories which gave us kind 319 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: of the freedom to play them if they weren't our own, right. 320 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,119 Speaker 1: But like I had had an experience with a situation 321 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: where I think a lawyer that I knew had said. 322 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: Oh, should I just tell the story? I should just 323 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 2: tell the story. 324 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: So I had been set up by a really nice 325 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: lawyer who I still know. He's not my lawyer, but 326 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: he's a nice lawyer. And I've been set up with 327 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: Matthew Perry. And this is like ninety eight, ninety nine, 328 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: ninety seven. Maybe I feel like it was like between 329 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: Melrose Place, which I did before the City, and. 330 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: It was at a house, it was a dinner party. 331 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 2: It was so low key. I thought. 332 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's so low key, And I 333 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: remember I had taken a bunch of roses from my 334 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: garden with me, like it's so weird. But I was like, whatever. 335 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: So I go to this dinner party. 336 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 3: I bring my little flowers. 337 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's a bunch of Hollywood people. I don't 338 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: even know who I was there other than this lawyer 339 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: at Matthew. 340 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: I feel like, have I met Matthew briefly? You know 341 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: how you would meet everyone out and about. 342 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: But I wasn't drinking or doing drugs, so I wasn't 343 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: really cool, you know, ever, right, which was fine, you know, 344 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: And I was like, I hope I can still succeed 345 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: without doing all this stuff. And it was not clear 346 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: in the nineties if you could do me I do. 347 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: It was a lot going on, a lot, right, Yes. 348 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: So I go to this dinner party. Matthew's lovely. He 349 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: sits next to me. 350 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: And he's talking about how thrilled he is, how happy 351 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: they are on the set at Friends, and he was 352 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: doing a film with Oh my god, my god, my god, 353 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna come to me in a minute. Amazing actress, 354 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: still functioning, great, great, great woman, good job. 355 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: She's out in the desert. 356 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: Right. So, like he would film at Friends and then 357 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: they'd put him in a car and drive them out 358 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: to the desert and they'd film all night. 359 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: Then he'd drive back. It was very hard, right. 360 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of how some of his problems 361 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: got like really aggravated and exacerbated. 362 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: I was like, wow, he's so happy. And I had 363 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: been around Melrose. 364 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: And they it wasn't the happiest place in a way, 365 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, And it was like stressy. There were fifteen 366 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: series regulars, you know, everyone had the feeling they might. 367 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: Get cut or whatever. It was that competitive and stressy, 368 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: you know. 369 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: So I was like, Wow, that's amazing, you're so happy. 370 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: So cut to after dinner and all the pot comes out. 371 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: They start just passing the pot around and I'm like, oh, 372 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: also me and pot. Very bad combination I had earlier 373 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: found out before I was sober, Like I just get 374 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: super paranoid and unhappy and time stops. 375 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: Like it's a horrible, horrible experience. 376 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 3: Right Yeah. 377 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, I number one, I was really 378 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: into my riet at that point because you kind of 379 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: had to be in the middle. 380 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 3: I did not know that. Yeah, and that's I'm proud. 381 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 3: That amazing. I'm so lucky I was sober for a 382 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: while right as well. Not that's good. 383 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 4: I thought it was the best thing I ever did. 384 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 4: I'm no longer, so I have to be honest. So 385 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 4: but you can be honest no longer. Well, I like 386 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 4: to lot. Sorry, no, but I'm there's a lot of 387 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 4: people in our industry that are sober and uh doing 388 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 4: extremely uh well. And I was fortunate enough to be 389 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 4: part of certain men's at that time with a lot 390 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 4: of our. 391 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: I've heard about these. 392 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, never been to men group. There's one rule that 393 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 3: you don't there's one rule. 394 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: That I'm not going to work out, but I love 395 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: to Whenever I do meet someone who has those experiences, 396 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm so happy because, as we're saying, in the nineties, 397 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: it just seemed like to fit in and be foolish. 398 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 3: It's so difficult. 399 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 4: It's more, it's more acceptable now I know what you're 400 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 4: what you're saying, You're absolutely right. 401 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 3: It would have been extremely difficult. 402 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 4: I couldn't have, you know, and I probably you know, 403 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 4: tipped over to the you know, probably drank too much 404 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 4: and had I really had a good time in New York, 405 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 4: you know, which is great. 406 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad, and I just think you don't know, 407 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, till you know that it's too much. 408 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, I hope Uh wow, that's 409 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 4: you know bold. I didn't know that, and you know, 410 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 4: I'm glad you didn't say anything, because then I probably 411 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 4: would have been so timid to uh, you know, do 412 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 4: the thing fake smoke, right, and you know, you know, 413 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 4: even though it was like just the Reagano flavored I 414 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 4: don't know. 415 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know what it was. 416 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 3: It wasn't it wasn't real weed, that's no. 417 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 2: It definitely was really no. 418 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: But it was so like when I watched itself in 419 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: that scene, it wasn't necessarily hard. 420 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: I did feel also because obviously we also. 421 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: Drink a lot, and that had been my main thing, right, 422 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: And it became difficult later on because I remember at 423 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: one point they put the four of us on the 424 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: cover of like either Newsweek or Time, I don't remember 425 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: which one. I don't know if we were holding our 426 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: cosmos in the picture, and they said something like, you know, 427 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: it's sex and the city responsible for the drinking problem 428 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: with the young people or whatever, and I was like, oh, 429 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, to try to walk both lines that I 430 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: was sober in life, but obviously were. 431 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 3: You public the sobriety I was. 432 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how how I don't know 433 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: how open or out front. I would put it in 434 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: the beginning because it seemed weird, you know, a little 435 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: bit right, And I didn't obviously know that the show 436 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: was going to go on so long and be the 437 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: humongest thing and all. 438 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: Didn't I take it to Miladies after? Didn't we go 439 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: to Miladi's after the show? Because I. 440 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 4: Don't remember that you didn't drink. I don't remember remember 441 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 4: meeting a bunch of people. Wait, no, it's in Princeton's. 442 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 4: It's not there anymore. It's the neighborhood bar. 443 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 5: Got it. 444 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 3: I've been a great pool table in jukebox. 445 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: But how adorable, my Prince. I was trying, Oh, Prince 446 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: and Sullivan, how great. I remember that area. I was 447 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 2: always trying to find a way to be social. 448 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, you were not. I remember you showed up hung 449 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 4: out for it, and then you know, and then. 450 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: I probably and also probably I was exhausted, and. 451 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 3: You probably were. 452 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: And I had a girlfriend, so I was probably trying 453 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: to behave. 454 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 3: I probably wasn't. So I. 455 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: Feel like you were. 456 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: I feel like you really really were. You talked so 457 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: sweetly about her. I was very impressed. Two young, hot 458 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: upcoming actors so loyal and adorable. 459 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 2: It was very impressed. 460 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 3: Oh it was the good old days. 461 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 2: It was the good old days. 462 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: But that moment when you do in that scene where 463 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: you lean over and blow the pot in my face, 464 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: when I'm watching myself, I have such an understanding that 465 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm pulling on these other exercises that it happened. 466 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: Now I'm going to look at that, I'm going to 467 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 3: watch that sceneing and I'm going to. 468 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: Say just because it's not like it's horrible or anything, 469 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: just like it's so familiar to the one. 470 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, there's a lot going on, I know, 471 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 4: I know. So I love about what we do. Those 472 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 4: moments especially, like even though they're probably difficult. The first thing, 473 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 4: you know, when I went to test, and I don't 474 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: know who, if it was Carolyn or Chris or who, 475 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 4: and I heard your podcast because there was there wasn't 476 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 4: that many people in the room when you tested, but 477 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 4: this was now HBO is a different monster, definitely, So 478 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 4: there was like there were so many people. 479 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: Yes, oh, no, terrifying, but you. 480 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 4: Know, and they were they were kind enough not to 481 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 4: say anything prior to me actually auditioning and going through 482 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 4: my thing, but afterwards they were going. You know, they 483 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 4: all mentioned Wiley Ford and how much they loved the show. 484 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: They loved that episode. It was super sweet. 485 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 4: That's good that we loved you in Sects and the 486 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 4: city and we're just so happy that you know that 487 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 4: our pastor crossing again. 488 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: Good. 489 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 2: I love to hear that. 490 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I do think it's interesting, and I'm not 491 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: objective obviously, but rewatching the show and we can. 492 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 2: We'll rewatch technically in a second. Everyone who's listening. 493 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: You know, in my mind, like you started by saying, oh, 494 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: is this thing that all the actors wanted, Like in 495 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: my mind, it took till season three, till we were 496 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: even like on the map, right, So it's super interesting 497 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,959 Speaker 1: for me to hear from people who were in New 498 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: York and other actors like, oh, everyone wanted to be 499 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: on that show was the thing, and it's gratifying, But 500 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: like at the same time, when you're in it, you 501 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: don't really know, you know what I'm saying. Like for us, 502 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: we were still I remember times they say, like, you've 503 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: got to get out there and get all the press 504 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: we can get, like because issue didn't really have hits yet, right, 505 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: because Sopranos was equal with us. We came on at 506 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: the same time, and like we would just talk to 507 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: anyone and everyone. Like I just found this really cute 508 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: clip of an episode. I think it's the end of 509 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: season two when we're on the rooftop. 510 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 2: We haven't gotten to it yet, but I. 511 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 1: Think entertainment tonight or e W, I don't know, entertainment. 512 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. 513 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: One of the you know, old fashioned entertainment shows comes 514 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: to the set and Sarah talks to. 515 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: Them at lank. 516 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. 517 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 3: On the street. 518 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 2: It's so interesting. 519 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: I just remember that we would just talk to anybody 520 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: and we would have to explain the show. She would 521 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: be like, it's four women, and Charlotte's the hopeful one, 522 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: and Miranda she's you know, she's very smart and kind 523 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: of cynical, and then there's Samantha and you know, she 524 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: just embraces her sexuality, like she's explaining from the beginning. 525 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: And this is second season, the end of second season, 526 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: Like for us, mentally, we felt like we were still 527 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: trying to crell that help, you know. 528 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 2: But I think in some ways. 529 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: That's great, right because you're in it and you're just 530 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: committed and you're just like we gotta we gotta make 531 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: it great. 532 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 2: We got to get out there and sell it. You 533 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying that that vibe I do. 534 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's probably it's good that you didn't recognize the 535 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 4: power and the success. 536 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what I mean, yet caught up 537 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 3: in that. 538 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,479 Speaker 2: We so weren't because we didn't. Yeah, it is and 539 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: it took a while. 540 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: And I remember now because it's obviously eight hundred million 541 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: years later and we've done the other show, and we've 542 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: done the movies, and we've done all these different things, 543 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: and this other show is ending, which brings me back 544 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: in my mind at the time that the first show ended, 545 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: which of course could have been the ending for the 546 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: whole thing. I never believed that because I'm me right, 547 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: and we had talked about doing a film, which ended 548 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: up happening many years later as Chris and I for 549 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: self BREKD and I discussed on the on the pod. 550 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: But it's so interesting to think about. 551 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: I remember at the time that we ended the first show, 552 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: we would go places as a group, award shows are 553 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: press or whatever, and people would say. 554 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 2: Like it's iconic, and we'd be like, stop, stop, stop, 555 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 2: don't say that. 556 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: But it was so weird to hear that, you know, 557 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: because it's not like we were that old. The show 558 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: hadn't been on that long like it was, you know, 559 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: And now I look back on it and I'm like. 560 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 3: They were right pioneering man, absolutely right. It's a big deal. 561 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: It is, but it's only just now really syncing in. 562 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 4: I mean, it's like really, yeah, I'm like, God, it 563 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 4: helped shape our our generation and our culture and still 564 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 4: do which is bire, I know, but you still have 565 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 4: that kind of uh, that that impact and that outreach 566 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 4: to even today. My wife, Oh, she's ten years younger, 567 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 4: but she and her friends still they have the DVD. 568 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 3: Now, I can't believe we have, don't you watch dvd? 569 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 3: But she does have the whole in the page. Yes, yes, 570 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 3: I remember, we still having. We're never getting rid of it, 571 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 3: even though it streams everything. 572 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 4: But but even you know, in in you know, in 573 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,479 Speaker 4: the kids, I say, kids and young adults today go 574 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 4: back and watch it and our huge fans. 575 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 2: And it's so amazing, do you know what any mean? Like, 576 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: I just don't know how I lucked out so much, 577 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: you know, I. 578 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 4: Feel you and I and I and I'm very fortunate. 579 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 4: I looked out to be do one. 580 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 3: Episode, impactful episode. 581 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 4: So that one episode led to a lot of good 582 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 4: things in my life. 583 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: I put you in a small, small group of people 584 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: where maybe you had worked and whatnot and been known 585 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: like to a small group, but hadn't necessarily like broken 586 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: out right, meaning like we thought you were amazing, and 587 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: then you were amazing. Like Timothy Elephant, you know, we 588 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: were like his first job right. 589 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 2: Still, Yeah, I. 590 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 4: Got a great so the whole so HBO Timothy Elephant, 591 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 4: I don't know up because David Milch and Deadwood, I 592 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 4: was a huge fan. I was almost undead with well 593 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 4: for Timoth, for Timothy's no. 594 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 3: Way, oh my god. 595 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 4: And I couldn't do it or you know, even test 596 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 4: for it or whatever because I was filming a film 597 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 4: basic or something like that and then for six months, 598 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 4: and so I missed that opportunity, and the John from 599 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 4: Cincinnati opportunity almost didn't come up because there was some 600 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 4: resistance because of my I. They felt that I passed 601 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 4: on and there's not a chance there was one of 602 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 4: my favorite shows and one of the best shows of 603 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 4: all time. 604 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 2: Wow, So you had to convince them they hadn't. 605 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 4: Threatened when I when I sidetrack again massive, I possessed. 606 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 2: Right in my wheelhouse, go for it. 607 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 3: I was obsessed with Deadwood and David Milts. 608 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 4: She incredible, yes, even from you know NYPD Blue Too, 609 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 4: which is network television, and I just I'm his biggest fan. 610 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 4: I thought, you know, it's amazing that he's like, you know, 611 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 4: I have to work with this man. And I'm you know, 612 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 4: I'm so upset that Deadwood didn't work out whatever. 613 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 3: And then I was reading the. 614 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 4: Newspaper when we used to read newspapers. 615 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 3: And there was the article about the cancelation of Deadwood, 616 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: and I was so upset. 617 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 4: And my girlfriend at the time ex girlfriend and girlfriend 618 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 4: at the time, She's like, just keep reading. 619 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 3: And they canceled the show. 620 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 4: But he's working on a new show about a dysfunctional 621 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 4: surfing family and. 622 00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 3: Well, and it's you know, it's sort of loose. 623 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 4: The vehicle, the family that was used as the vehicle 624 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 4: to tell the story wasn't about their family. 625 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 3: I knew very I grew up. 626 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 2: I know, you mean, it's an actual, real family. 627 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 4: It's loosely, it's not it's it's inaccurate. Yes, okay, incredible. 628 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 4: The son the person that I in a sense played it. 629 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 4: It's just a small role and it's crazy. 630 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 3: How this stuff works. 631 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 2: Wow. 632 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was a professional surfer, way better than I was. 633 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 4: But you know, I'd surfer with him a few times. 634 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 4: Knew the family very like, you know. 635 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: That's amazing. 636 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 3: It's crazy. But they didn't want to see me. They 637 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 3: didn't know you. 638 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 2: Had to push your way in. Well, good for you. 639 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, they they said no. 640 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 4: My agents really at the time they were like, what 641 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 4: they don't they don't want to see you, dude, I 642 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 4: don't know something. If you don't get me an appointment 643 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 4: or you know, an audition time, I will go there 644 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 4: in person. I will break that door down and see 645 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 4: I'm doing this. I'm not taking no for an answer. 646 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 2: Amazing. 647 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 3: I'm not that person. Yeah, but when I get, when 648 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: I get, you know, when that was your show. 649 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 2: You needed that that show. I mean, I do believe 650 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 2: in that I was abassin, Like. 651 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: Your part is your part, you know, but sometimes you 652 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: do have to go through some obstacles to get that. 653 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just like, but I love Timothy Offense too. Yes, 654 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 3: So as you. 655 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: Were saying yes, like Timothy, you Dan Futterman, who's also motion, 656 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,239 Speaker 1: we haven't checked in with him. 657 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 2: It's next week. 658 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 3: I can't wait. 659 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: I can't wait. 660 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: Like he's had such an interesting career that you know, 661 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: he's a showrunner. 662 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 3: Now I want to I'm gonna go look after. I 663 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 3: want to look up dance. I know, I. 664 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: Know he's behind the scenes, but he's incredible. 665 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: But so many people I'm not even remembering everybody obviously, 666 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of my guys right now. 667 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: But I mean Tim wasn't my guy, but Tim Timothy. 668 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: It was his first job, and he was so great. 669 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: And that was our first season where it hadn't even 670 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: been on the air, so no one knew anything about 671 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: what we were doing. I remember he plays like Valley 672 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: of the twenty something guys and he's talking about. 673 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: His dream with his hands, and. 674 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 3: I forgot yeh, he made that all up. I forgot that. 675 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 2: Ye yep, yep. 676 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: But I mean there's a hand all of you that 677 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, our guys I think had 678 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: great Our casting directors and our producers had great taste 679 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: and talent, you know, And it's so nice to be 680 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: able to have young actors on because obviously that show 681 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: was that show and with the and just like that, 682 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: we were able to have a different group of young 683 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: actors playing our kids and whatnot. Right, bizarre to say, 684 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: but you know, it's a fun thing to be in 685 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: the business and be able to be part of that. 686 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: Like I love that part of our business, finding talent, 687 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: being able to support talent, discover talent, show tent. 688 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: To the world. 689 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, create a safe environment for them. 690 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 3: You did. 691 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, you definitely created a great environment to create. But 692 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 4: I got to show this story. I don't know if 693 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 4: you remember this too. This is another and they think 694 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 4: this helped me get this next game. It was just 695 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 4: a crazy week in my life. So this is while 696 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 4: we're shooting our episode I Less Moonvez the head of CBS. 697 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 4: The auditions are for so funny. The difference between going 698 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 4: from doing your show playing Wiley Ford, uh, you know, 699 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 4: the douchey douchebag of all the actors, to then sort 700 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 4: of testing to being a character is testing for a 701 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 4: sitcom loving money, which was like Susie Kurtz, David auguy Steis. 702 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 3: There was like Rob Long and Dance David. It was 703 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 3: the showrunners. It was like Judy Greer, Paget Brewster. 704 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 4: I replaced my friend who wasn't my friend at the time. 705 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 4: But I became friends with dash My Hawk, one of 706 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 4: my favorite persons on the Slant, and they were it 707 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 4: sucks because they wanted to replace him in the pilot 708 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 4: and last minute I'm in the you know, lets wanted 709 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 4: to I had whatever audition fortant that goes Less wants 710 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 4: to meet you test and he's in New York for this. 711 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 3: You in New York right now is going to fly 712 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 3: back tonight like I'm filming. I'm working on I'm working 713 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 3: on Sex and the City. 714 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: You were hot, you were a hot commodity. I remember. 715 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 3: I'm sure that didn't hurt. But you guys good. 716 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 4: There was a you guys let me run up town 717 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 4: to meet with Less, and you and I talked. I 718 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 4: think you took a we're supposed to shoot all our 719 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 4: stuff and it's changed up scenes so you could let 720 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,959 Speaker 4: me go, Yeah, go to go meet with Less. I 721 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 4: remember taking the train up up to like where was 722 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 4: CBS at the time, like sixty days uptown on the 723 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 4: West Side, right. 724 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 2: In one of the big buildings, like a big high rise. 725 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and sweating. I went from wiley Ford to Amon 726 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 4: McBride and hauld Ass back down to Soho or yeah, 727 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 4: and uh and just you know, barely making it a time. 728 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 4: And I remember you guys are being so kind to 729 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 4: let me. 730 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 3: And I got the gig, yay. 731 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: I do remember talking about that, and I remember because 732 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: I think Amanda was on another film, and so it 733 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: was a big you were trying to decide, like, because 734 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: those are decisions, you know, it. 735 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 3: Was you have a great memory. 736 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 4: It was she booked the show TV show, uh, Jack 737 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 4: and Jill, Yes, oh my god, yes, she was moving 738 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 4: to Los Angeles, right, and the she. 739 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: I think she was on a film with Bruce wa. 740 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 3: The whole nine yards, yes. 741 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: Right, And all these things were happening at once for 742 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: both of you, and I remember you just saying like 743 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: this and that and trying to make the decisions and 744 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: where was she going to be? 745 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 4: And what? 746 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: Yeah you do? 747 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 2: And I thought it was so sweet. 748 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 4: Oh that's funny. And I did not want to I 749 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 4: did not want to leave New York. I always thought 750 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,719 Speaker 4: I would right come back. I thought you thought that 751 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 4: the TV show it was temporary, as they mostly mostly are. Yeah, unfortunately, yeah, right, 752 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 4: And so I was That's why I kept my I 753 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 4: kept my apartment. I gave my sub least to sublet 754 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 4: it to my buddy. 755 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: Wow. 756 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 3: But yeah, I was you know, I didn't want to 757 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 3: I didn't want to leave. I didn't want you know. 758 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 4: I thought I was gonna always come back. And part 759 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 4: of the reason was, you know, you know that wasn't 760 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 4: really looking to do uh sitcom right. 761 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 2: Because back then there was a big separation. 762 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 4: But the actors, I'm glad I did the writing on this. 763 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 4: That show that I did was it was was incredible. 764 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 3: And the actors and the talent. 765 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 4: That's another show I was like way in over my 766 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 4: head with you know, Brian. 767 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 3: Doyle Murray played my dad. 768 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 2: He's amazing. 769 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 1: But that was that was a great It's a great 770 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: I love to hear about what actors are kind of 771 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: going through or went through, or the different choices that 772 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: you have to make, because it does it's not easy, 773 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: you know. And I feel like obviously getting parts at 774 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: all is not easy, right They all know this technically, 775 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: But then also you have to make these decisions and 776 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: figure things out, and you never really know what's going 777 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: to happen. 778 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 2: There's so much unknown. 779 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, when you think you know it's going to happen, 780 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 4: you know, just when it gets dangerous making assumptions and 781 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 4: like yes, I'm going to spend this money because I'm 782 00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 4: going to be working forever. 783 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 3: And I know on Cougartown, which I was, it was 784 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 3: like the Lewis was to watch. 785 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 4: Oh my god, it was fun to do what a 786 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 4: great but that was another fun time. We got a 787 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 4: lot of stories about that. I'm sure, but I remember 788 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 4: I wasn't Josh and I would do these cleanses and 789 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 4: not be able to you know, just to you know, 790 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 4: stay healthy and cut off drinking. And we do the 791 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 4: Master cleans of all things too. 792 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: Oh I remember the days and everyone did the Master 793 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 1: didn't you see back? 794 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 2: Who's coming soon? She could tell you some Master cleans stories. 795 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:31,479 Speaker 2: It was the thing. 796 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: It was the thing. 797 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 3: It was hard. 798 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 2: I couldn't do that. 799 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 3: I did. 800 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 4: We had bets, but it was impossible on our set 801 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 4: because we would there would we would call. 802 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 3: It the red tea. Yes, we would drink. We'd put 803 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 3: red wine in a cup. 804 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 4: And put a little tea string outside so it looked 805 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 4: like you're drinking tea. It was really red wine. We 806 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 4: were all wine. I was on the show that was 807 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 4: That wasn't a thing like you were saying. Bill Lawrence 808 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 4: would take stuff in our real life and put it 809 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 4: in the show, and the wine things started pretty early on. 810 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 4: We go along so well, we got to lunch on 811 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 4: wine Wednesdays, and wow, we all liked our one good thing. 812 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 2: I wasn't on that. 813 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know I was. 814 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 4: I know, I know that I thought about that. You 815 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 4: were sharing with me about your sobriety. I was like, ah, thank. 816 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 2: God, because I would have really not fit in. 817 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 3: You would have fit in. I would have made I know, 818 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 3: pretty much that whole cast. 819 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 2: Yes, I think it would have been okay, but I 820 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 2: would have been in my trailer. 821 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: Okay, you guys, it's too much fun. You're talking to 822 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 1: Brian ben Holt. We're going to come back for part two. 823 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 1: Please join us later in the week.