1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back. You're listening to Table for two. 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: This is Bruce Bosi and we are at the Sunset 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Tower on a beautiful October day past. 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: Oh you're doing you're doing your voice. Wow, it's a 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: whole lunch radio voice. 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: And we're sitting at a specific table that I think 7 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: is the most elegant, glamorous, well let table. 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 3: In the room. 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: And there's a reason for it, and it's the Tom 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 1: Ford table because today we're having lunch with the man himself, 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: Tom Ford. Our conversation was recorded back in October, before 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: the two point eight billion dollar sale of Tom's company 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: to Estay Lauder was announced, So while we don't talk 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: much about that. 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 3: Change, we do cover the things that made that brand. 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: Such a success, elegance, beauty, and layer. Speaking of which 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: Tom's wearing a black suit and a white shirt. 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: Big change. 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: It's what I always I love that your cuffs are 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 3: not buttoned. 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: Oh yes, it's my casual look. 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: This is Bruce Bosi and this is my podcast Table 23 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: for two. 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: You have to know this about Tom. 25 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: So Tom and I had the pleasure of our children 26 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: going to the same school at a certain period of time, 27 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: so I drop off and Tom would be dropping his 28 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: son off at school, as I would might be dropping 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: my daughter off, and oftentimes I'd turn the corner and 30 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: at eight o'clock in the morning, this is what you 31 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: look like. 32 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: Oh, because it's easy, you know. I think people think, oh, 33 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: a suit's so fancy, blah blah. 34 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: Blah a suit. 35 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: A suit is so easy, you know, you don't have 36 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: to think. And I wear the same not the same 37 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: exact suit. I have probably ten of them that are 38 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: just copies of each other. But I think it's important 39 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: in love to figure out what you look good in, 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: what you feel comfortable in. You know, you don't need 41 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: to change your style or your fashion just because fashion changes, 42 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: you know. I think the most iconic people in the 43 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: world are when you think about, you know, what someone 44 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: looks like. You think about icons. I mean, for example, 45 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 2: they don't usually change their style. 46 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 3: Well, it can be a good example of that. 47 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: Let me finish, No, it was interrupted by food. 48 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 3: Unfortunately for Tom. Food came. Even though you know this 49 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 3: is about lunch. 50 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 2: I know, but it's not about lunch. It's about talking. 51 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: And I was. 52 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: In fact, I never have lunch. I never go out 53 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: to lunch. 54 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: I'm very honor. 55 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 2: You usually don't even eat at my desk. If I'm 56 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: in the office and I smell food, I'm like, who's 57 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: eating food? Dinner is different, you know, dinner's fine, but lunch. 58 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: It interrupts my day. It interrupts my way of thought. 59 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: I don't like going out in the daytime past a 60 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: certain age. Nobody looks good in overhead overhead daylight speaking, 61 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: don't I think we're at Tom. 62 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: We are at the Tower Bar, which is a very 63 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: very beautiful, elegant restaurant, very Hollywood. Jeff Clin's done an 64 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: incredible Jeff Clin owns the place, and we're at Tom's table, 65 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: and Tom. 66 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: We are at my table, although I never sit here 67 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: in the day as I only sit here at night. 68 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 2: And I'm so crazy that I had them black out 69 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: the overhead spotlight at my table. There's an overhead light 70 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: at every other table. They put candles at mine. But 71 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: I won't sit with an overhead light because nobody looks 72 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: good with an overhead light. You get shadows over your eyes, 73 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: you get shadows, you know, shadows everywhere. Even if you're young, 74 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: you don't look great with the overhead light, So avoid 75 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: it at all. 76 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: Costs, so go back. 77 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: You were telling me, well, way, don't want to talk 78 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: about lighting, because you know we were at your house 79 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: the other Oh my god, and I was watching you 80 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: get dressed, and you don't have proper lighting in your bathroom. 81 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it. Because someone once said, 82 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: or I read, or I don't know, some famous decorator 83 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: or famous vain person that lighting a bathroom is all 84 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: about lighting the face. And it's true. You know, a 85 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: powder room's different. It's for guests, it's evening. You know 86 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: that needs to be sexy, sensual, not overly lit. But 87 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: your bathroom, I mean you've got to be throwing light 88 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: on your face and again after a certain a Bruce, 89 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 2: you need a magnifying mirror because I think if you 90 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: can make yourself look great with a mirror magnifying your 91 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: face and a really bright light, you know you're gonna 92 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: look good when you go. 93 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: So I had one. 94 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: I had the magnifying your not the light, and Tom 95 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: was helping me get ready and a photo shoot that 96 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: Tom was art directing, which was really great. We had 97 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: a really wonderful afternoon, but you had to put You 98 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: kind of taught me a little bit about men's makeup. 99 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: You know, a little putting. 100 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: Which makeup, let's call it grooming groom, which, by the way, 101 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: you know, isn't It's just to make your skin look better, 102 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 2: especially when you're having you know, a photograph done. But 103 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: I mean I could talk about that for for well, 104 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 2: because there are all sorts of tricks you know, which 105 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: you learn well, you learn when you today. Know, if 106 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 2: you've ever done a you know, a talk show or 107 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: something like that, the makeup artist will put matt powder 108 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: under your eyes because light bounces off of slick, shiny surfaces. 109 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 2: So if there's something matt under your eyes, a light 110 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: can't bounce off of it, and underneath your eyes look 111 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: dead smooth. So you know, again, past a certain age underneath. 112 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: Of your you know, the part underneath you know, I'm 113 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: past that certain age is about thirty No I'm kidding, 114 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: I'm kidding, good kiddy, And then you told me that 115 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: fifty five it gets you get to that next Well, no, no, 116 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: I'm sixty one. So I mean, if you can, everyone 117 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: knows what you did like. This is not what sixty 118 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: one looks like. This is certainly not what sixty one. 119 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: Someone said to me the other day. You know, Oh, sixties, 120 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: the new fifty, and seventies, the new sixty, but eighty 121 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 2: is still eighty and it's kind of true. 122 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: Yes, Lighting, you taught me a little bit about grooming 123 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: and evening out my skin, and I get it. So 124 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: I used to see Tom at school because we have kids. 125 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: So tell me how's fatherhood been, what's going on? 126 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 3: What it was? 127 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 2: Oh, fatherhood is amazing this. 128 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: Year, I want to send my condolences. I love. 129 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: I used to see Richard in the morning, in the 130 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: afternoons picking up Jack, and. 131 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: We were together for thirty five years. And it's been hard. 132 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: It's been about a year now and only now am 133 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: I actually able to really start seeing a future, seeing 134 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: a third act hopefully in my life, both you know, 135 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: professionally and personally. It's been hard, and I've really just concentrated. 136 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when I say it's been hard, 137 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: a lot of other people have had to go through this. 138 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: So I realized that it's part of life, losing someone 139 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: that you love and someone that you've been with for 140 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: a long time. But I've concentrated the year really on 141 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: keeping Jack, my son's life as normal, you knows as 142 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: it could be because it was very traumatic for him too, 143 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: to lose his father, you know, right before he turned nine, 144 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: and that was that was hard. Oh yes, kids, I'm 145 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: trying to keep cutting you off. I have a feeling 146 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: where both people that like to talk a lot. 147 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: We all know, we go all over it. 148 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: But but but back to that. When I was about 149 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: to have Jack, a therapist said to me, you know, 150 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: having a child is the most selfish thing in the 151 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: world that you can do. But raising a child is 152 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: the most self less thing that I've never heard of. 153 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: And it's true because you know, the world is where 154 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: there are plenty of people on the planet. So having 155 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: a child and saying, you know, I want to bring 156 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: another creature into existence could be considered somewhat selfish. But 157 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: raising a child indeed is self less. And you know, 158 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people listening to this have kids, 159 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: and you know that, you know, you know that it's selfless. 160 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: You do you give up. 161 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: Yourself, it's the you know, the minute you hold that baby. 162 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: The daunting responsibility. Just that overwhelmed me at least was 163 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: like wow, like everything is now changed and everything is 164 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: about ava and it is not easy. Now I'm getting 165 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: into the high school years. So it's a little bit 166 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: more about me. 167 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: Oh, I was desperate to talk about the baby crib 168 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: in your bathroom for a year or two. So there's 169 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: your bathrooms the size of a basket. 170 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 3: Brian and I. 171 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: So when we have a bedroom that had two bathrooms 172 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: and wh ava was small, we made one of the 173 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: bathrooms her room. 174 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: The bathrooms, as I said, they're the size of most 175 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 2: people's living room. 176 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: You know that is t M I you can editing. 177 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: That's fun. So let's talk about beauty. Let's talk about yes, beauty, 178 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: and there's so much going on, no are we No? 179 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: I mean I said Tom, Tom smells so good. 180 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 3: What I'm wear. 181 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: Which is one of my fragrances, I take on a beldejour, 182 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: which is a Catherine Deneuve was in and Boudegeor is 183 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: the mask version. It's a very somewhat classic fragrance that 184 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 2: when I was developing it, I sort of was thinking, Okay, well, 185 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: if carry Grant we're alive today, what kind of fragrance 186 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 2: would he'd be wearing. So it's more classic than a 187 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: lot of my other frame is that. 188 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: The one of the first things you notice about someone 189 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: when you see scent like that it smells scent? 190 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 3: Is that their eyes? It's their shoes? Like what what gus? 191 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: The team? 192 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: It's eyes. It's not shoes, its eyes. 193 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 3: What do you what do you see? You're talking about 194 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 3: the color of the eyes. 195 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: Nose has nothing to do with the color. Yeah, it's 196 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 2: something in people's faces. I'm closing my eyes while I 197 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: talk to you because I often close my eyes when 198 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: I talk because I can I can concentrate and focus. No, 199 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: when I say eyes, I guess it's expression. You know, 200 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: some people just look behind and other people just look 201 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: like jerks, and often it proves to be true. So 202 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: it's something about people's faces. And if they have a 203 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: kind face, I noticed that, or you know, an intelligent face. 204 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think it's important because I have the 205 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: gift of having lunch with town four to talk about 206 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: the gift. 207 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: You can have lunch with me anytime where we actually. 208 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: Eat, because neither one of us are eating because I'm 209 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: I dare not eat as now that I know you. 210 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 2: Can eat, it will just make chewing nor. 211 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 3: I know, I know, well you know, I guess the 212 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 3: beauty secret. 213 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: I guess that's not really what I'm so interesting, But like, 214 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: there seems to be a whole movement about and they 215 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: call it that I think anti anti aging, but that's 216 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: even not a good term. Like what people are doing 217 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: now to sort of age gracefully beautifully. 218 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: It's so interesting You want to talk about beauty so 219 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: much because it's so I mean, obviously I'm in the 220 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: beauty business, and of course, you know, I can tell 221 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 2: you lots about different kinds of skincare, different kinds of 222 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: makeups or all the makeup or you know, tricks to 223 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: look better. But for me, that's so much not what 224 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: life is about. What is like, it's so funny. I 225 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: often go to parties and people will actually want to 226 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 2: have a serious conversation with me about moisturizer, and I'm like, 227 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Were you talking about moisturizer? 228 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: Let's talk about politics or what you're doing, or the 229 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,359 Speaker 2: latest film you've seen, or we get there. 230 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 3: We touch upon me. 231 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 232 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, well okay, what's going on? Just right now? 233 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 2: What's going on? 234 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: No? 235 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 3: No, no, just it with beauty that you're like, okay, this. 236 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: Is people are injecting way too many things. 237 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 3: Let's talk about the procedures. 238 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about facial dysmorphia, because I think a 239 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 2: lot of people You look at a lot of celebrities 240 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: now and you just think, oh my god, what do 241 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: they see when they look in the mirror. They don't 242 00:12:54,679 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: even look like themselves any longer, And it is truly dysmorphia. 243 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: I think a lot of these people lose touch with 244 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: who they were. They see a line and they think 245 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: they have to fill it. They see a wrinkle and 246 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 2: they've got to fill it. They see someone else's mouth 247 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: and they think they need to have that. And I 248 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: think it is a problem culturally for us. I think, 249 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: you know, everything has to be done in moderation, and 250 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 2: it's very hard, I think, to maintain your eye and 251 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: realize that, okay, well you do have to age. That 252 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: is it looks odd sometimes when people literally don't age. 253 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: I just don't want to get into specifics about who 254 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: who looks great, who doesn't look great. Well, Well, for me, 255 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: I have a good friend, well Ali McGraw, who's a friend, 256 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: and she looks incredible. She's in her mid eighties and 257 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: she's beautiful, absolutely beautiful right, and has not done anything 258 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: to herself. Oh, she takes care of herself, you know. 259 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: I think a certain point you have to give up 260 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: trying to be best in show and settle for best 261 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: in class. And so if you're a certain age, look 262 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 2: the best you can possibly look that age. Take care 263 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 2: of yourself, eat well, exercise. It's all those same old 264 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: things you hear about. You got to exercise, you gotta 265 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: eat well, You've got to take care of yourself. 266 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 4: And that's true. 267 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 3: Welcome back to table for two. 268 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: I am having an incredible time here at the Sunset 269 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: Tower with Tom Ford. And since we're not eating right now, 270 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: I'm wondering when does Tom have lunch? 271 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 3: So you you don't eat except for dinner. 272 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: I actually do eat lunch, but I don't go out 273 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: to lunk going out to lunch, and I never go 274 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: to lunch parties. You know, during Oscar Week, a very 275 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: good friend of ours always has a lunch party. 276 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 3: And I know go during the day as well. 277 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: During the day breaks up my day, ruins whatever I'm 278 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: working on that day. I don't drink. So you go 279 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: to a lunch party, people are drinking, they get sloppy. 280 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: It's you know, okay, I just want to get on 281 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: with my day and dinner. I've been to your house 282 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: and you eat. It's super clean, very fish, a lot 283 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: of fish. I was vegan for a few years and 284 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: now I eat fish as well. 285 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: So is that the kind of so you prefer entertaining 286 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: at home and being sort of in control of the food. 287 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: Well, I started entertaining or having people over for dinner 288 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: a lot during Richard's illness because he really couldn't go out. 289 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: So for the last five years we've pretty much just 290 00:15:55,240 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: had people to our house for dinner. Now I'm realizing, oh, 291 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: there are restaurants, I can go out, I can go 292 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: out with friends, and so I've been doing that a 293 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: lot more. 294 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 3: Are you are people? If I'm allowed to ask asking 295 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: you out on date? Because I know a lot of 296 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: people that want to ask. 297 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 4: Around a date, it's good. 298 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: Really, No no one has ah. 299 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 3: And that's surprising. 300 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, well I don't know. 301 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: I'm only now even starting to think about that and 302 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: maybe starting to be able to well, as I said, 303 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: to think about it. But no no one ever comes 304 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: on to me, No one ever asks me out. 305 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: That is that's shame, But okay, I got it. Do 306 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: you think it's because of like there's an austereness about you? 307 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 2: Because of austere you know probably I don't know, you know, 308 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: I think I'm actually a very shy person. I don't 309 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: know that, you know, most people would believe that. But 310 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: I think sometimes when you're very shy, you can see 311 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: aloof right, and it's really a defense to just kind of, 312 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: you know, maintain a story. And I'm very formal person. 313 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: You know. 314 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: You are a. 315 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 2: Formal person, well meaning that it takes a while, you know, 316 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: but by the way Europeans are, and I've lived in. 317 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 3: Europe for thirty years or. 318 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: More, and Europeans are by nature much more formal than Americans. 319 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 2: You know, especially in California, people hug you immediately, and 320 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: you know, you waiter, I'll come over and tell you 321 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: his name, what his favorite food is on the menu, 322 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: ask you personal questions. And it's very very odd to me. 323 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: I mean, your hardline at a dinner party when we've 324 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: hosted them, when you as like the whole spousal thing, 325 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: separate spouses. 326 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you have to. I mean, yeah, I'm 327 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: old fashioned, you know. I believe if you go to 328 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 2: a dinner party, you cannot sit spouses next to each other. 329 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: You have to split them up that way when they 330 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: go home and get into bed. They've got a lot 331 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: of things to gossip about. Oh my god, that woman 332 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: who said next to me she was a nightmare, she 333 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 2: was horrible. Really, well, you didn't have to sit next 334 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 2: to him, Wow, he was so boring. No, yes, And 335 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 2: did you see what she had on? You know, if 336 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: you're sitting next to your spouse, you don't get to 337 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 2: do that. 338 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: You don't know, and it's just ridiculous. 339 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 2: That's the point of a dinner party is to meet 340 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: new people, or to at least be able to talk 341 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: to people you don't talk to every day. 342 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: You bring up La, so I associate you because New York. 343 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: You're not done yet. I think you're completing your work 344 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: on Houstin's townhouse. 345 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: That is, let's call it my townhouse. Yes, formerly it belonged. 346 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 3: To all we have New York London. 347 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 2: I actually was in that. I was in that house 348 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: when I was eighteen. I was dating someone who worked 349 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 2: for Anti World at the factory and went by I 350 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: probably would have been nineteen seventy nine to pick someone 351 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: up before we went out, and I walked. 352 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 3: Into that house and I was just like wow, really. 353 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: And so it's amazing that to me that I own 354 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 2: that house now. 355 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: And yeah, the beautiful thing about life. 356 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: I mean like that. Yeah, if you live long enough 357 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 2: you get to have. 358 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: Those are you? Are you keeping it in that. 359 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: Sort of I actually put it back to the way 360 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: that it looked. It was designed by an architect called 361 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 2: Paul Rudolph, who was the dean of architecture at Yale. 362 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 2: And there's a long story to that I won't bore 363 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,959 Speaker 2: your listeners with, but he redesigned the house for Halston. 364 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 2: It wasn't designed originally for Halston, redesigned it for him 365 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: when he moved in in nineteen seventy four, and then 366 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 2: it was owned after that by Johnny Annelli and Gunter 367 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: Sachs and it had been ripped apart sadly, and so 368 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: I have basically put it back the way it was 369 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: because it was pretty. It was pretty perfect. 370 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, how cool. 371 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: But I mean, but that's sort of like your thumb 372 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: print on so many things. You bring back, you make 373 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: thinks sexy again, you bring things back. What you did, 374 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: you know with Gucci, what you've done over the course 375 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: of the town Ford, it's certainly my style. Thank you, 376 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: You're welcome. We have very specific feelings about our cities. 377 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: Tell me about Los Angeles. You're Los Angeles. 378 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 3: I love LA. 379 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: I love the sun, I love the palm trees, I 380 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: love the climate. I grew up in the American West, 381 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 2: so I love space. I love the history of LA, 382 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: you know. But I suppose I maybe live in the 383 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 2: past imagination of the LA or what it was. I mean, 384 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 2: you know of all those film sets, and you know, 385 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: and life was never like you saw in the movies 386 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 2: or you saw in press photos from let's say, the 387 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 2: golden age of Hollywood. But that is what is still 388 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: in my head. That has nothing to do with the 389 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 2: reality of LA today. 390 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 3: You know. 391 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: LA is a very family oriented city. I love it 392 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: when Richard was alive, you know, and everyone stays home 393 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 2: in LA. It was one thing to me. Now that 394 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: I am single, LA can be a very isolating place. 395 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 2: You know, We're all in our cars. There's not street 396 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 2: life the way there is in other cities like New 397 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 2: York or London, and you can feel very isolated. And 398 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 2: I'm feeling that at this moment and my life. And 399 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 2: I lived in London for more than twenty years and 400 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 2: I've just bought a place there and you did, I did, 401 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: and I'm thinking of possibly moving back. Yeah, well I 402 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: haven't told my son that yet, so I don't think 403 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: he'll be listening. 404 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 3: To this podcast. Jack. 405 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: He loves anyway, and he grew up there. We're up 406 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 2: there till he was five. He had the most beautiful 407 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: English accent, which now sounds very califul. 408 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 3: You know, he's he's a special, special boy. We're basically neighbors, 409 00:21:59,040 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 3: and which is like. 410 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: Said, neighbors. Now, how many times do we see That's 411 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 2: I'm saying. 412 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 3: And frequently live. 413 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: Less than five minutes away from each other and we 414 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 2: see each other, yeah, six times a year. But that's 415 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 2: the way everyone is. 416 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: As much as I would hate you doing that, you're 417 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: going to move to New York. 418 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 3: Exactly, but I'm going to move to New York. And 419 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 3: I'm also your daughter doesn't know that, now do they 420 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 3: all know that? 421 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I have four years, three and a half years, 422 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: and I would like a room in your place in London, 423 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: like maybe like a downstairs apartment that can just come 424 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: and go when I visit. 425 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 3: And I do think London is a great. 426 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: The reason I like London is that it has all 427 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: of the I mean, I have a place in New York, 428 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: so I'm lucky. I get to go, you know where, 429 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: whatever city I want. But what I like about London 430 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: and it says all the cultural the features of New York, 431 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 2: but it is a calmer city. If you're in your 432 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 2: house in London, you can hear your clock tick, whereas 433 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 2: in New York you hear a horns home, you've talked to, 434 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: you feel the rumble of the way you feel. You 435 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: open your door and you're just bombarded. Whereas in London 436 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: you can open your door and there's a park in 437 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,239 Speaker 2: front of you, or a garden or a you know, 438 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: it's a different a different rhythm. 439 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 3: So do you have will this happened soon? Yeah? 440 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 2: No, Oh my gosh, what I don't know. I mean, 441 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: I'm renovating it now. It'll be done in May, and 442 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 2: we'll certainly spend the summer there. 443 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 3: And so we're thinking, all right, wow or not or not? Well, 444 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 3: you don't know. 445 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: As I said, I love la I'm not sure. 446 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 3: Let me thank you that gosh, you have my mind 447 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: going all around. 448 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: So you I read something that I thought was super 449 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: groovy and cool about you. 450 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 3: What and if this is true all of it? 451 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: Of course, you, when you were a young boy, used 452 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: to rearrange your parents furniture, and I think. 453 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 2: And they let me do it. I think they realized 454 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 2: I could do it better than they could. They went 455 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: out to a movie. I grabbed a babysitter or nanny 456 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: or whatever was with and I said, all right, we're 457 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: moving the sof over here. We're pushing that over there. 458 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 2: And I would say to my mother before she left me, 459 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: I going to rearrange the living room when you leave, 460 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: and she would say, Okay, go for it, go go ahead. 461 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 3: That is so fun to me. 462 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: And I think, you know my parents. My mother is 463 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 2: still alive. She lives here in LA and she's great. 464 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: But my parents were great. They allowed me to be 465 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: creative really in any way that I wanted. They were very, 466 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 2: very supportive always, and I think they knew that I 467 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 2: enjoyed this and that I was good at it, and 468 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: so okay, let him do it right. 469 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 3: That's very special. Do you let that happened with Jack? 470 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: No way Jack wanted to change. 471 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 2: He would be like, well, Jack has his own bedroom 472 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: and playroom, and I mean, he can do whatever he 473 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: wants in there, but no, can't touch the rest. And 474 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: I don't know that I'll ever be able to be 475 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: with anyone else romantically maybe yes, but I don't think 476 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: I could live with anyone else. I mean, my are 477 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 2: so perfectly. Somebody's gonna come in, so can I put 478 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: my grandmother's chest right here? 479 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 3: And it's like, no, you would be so difficult to 480 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 3: live with. 481 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 2: Just so you know, I'm easy. 482 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: No, from the that side of like putting things down, 483 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: like you can't put that there. 484 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 3: Brian's somewhat like that, just not as bad. 485 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 2: I think the only way I could ever live with 486 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: someone again was to keep my place, let them keep theirs, 487 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: and then we get someplace together. Yeah that is because yeah, 488 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: I'm very or they have to just be somebody who 489 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: just lets me do it. 490 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 3: Like that's you, that's your area. 491 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're an incredibly talented art director. 492 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 3: Are you taking photographer? You really should have? Thank you, 493 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 3: You're welcome. One of the things you do really well. 494 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: And I think one of the reasons, like all your 495 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: stuff is so sexy, is not just because of you, 496 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: but how you present it. 497 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 3: You've leaned into that, You've leaned in. 498 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: An equal sectionality. I'm an equal opportunity objectifier. Yeah, I 499 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 2: am just as happy to objectify men. You know, in 500 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: our culture we objectify women all the time. We have 501 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: used nude women or barely clad women to sell products 502 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: for years, and I'm glad that finally, you know, they're 503 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: you know, we're using men in that same way, and 504 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: it's okay now for men to be sexy. So many 505 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 2: straight guys will come to my shop. They're trying on 506 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,239 Speaker 2: a pair of pants and they want to turn and 507 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: they want you to give them a mirror so they 508 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: can look at their asses in the mirror. Now that 509 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 2: when I was growing up was not something that happened. 510 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 2: Men were not that aware of their bodies. And these 511 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: straight guys, who's like, you know, what does my butt 512 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: look like? Give me a mirror, And it's interesting the 513 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 2: comfort level. And by the way, men are just as vain, 514 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: if not more vain, than women, and I think they 515 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: just haven't been given the license to be that way 516 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: in the past, and increasingly they are. 517 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: I think that's been really exciting to watch and really 518 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: exciting to see that change. 519 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 3: And you bring up something else, which has then been 520 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 3: the world we live in, which is. 521 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: This whole sort of cancel culture which bleeds into that, 522 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: which bleeds into all these. 523 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 3: Aspects of objectifying. Who feels objectified. 524 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: It's hard as a fashion designer. If you want to 525 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: celebrate a certain look or thing, you have to immediately think, Okay, 526 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 2: where did this come from? What culture did this come from? 527 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 2: Will this be considered appropriation when for me it's really celebration. 528 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: I mean, there have been collections that I've done in 529 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 2: the past, well not only collections that I've done, but 530 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 2: music that's been created by others, art that's been created 531 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: by others that you could not create in today's world 532 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: because it would be considered appropriation. So you have to 533 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: be very careful. It's affected the way we take pictures, 534 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: it's affected the way I design, it's you know, you 535 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: scrutinize ideas sometimes before you can even get them off 536 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: the ground, which is very hard creatively because I think 537 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 2: the best or for me, the most creative way to 538 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: work is to just let loose and just throw everything 539 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 2: out there and then rein it in. 540 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: Having lunch with Tom is super special to me. And 541 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: Tom is not only one of the most incredible fashion 542 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: designers as we all know, but he's an incredible filmmaker. 543 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: And Thomas made two Academy Award nominated movies, A Single 544 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: Man and Nocturnal animals. So let's get back to the 545 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: table and find out what inspires Tom when it comes 546 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: to making movies. If you walk through your career or 547 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: you know your life, what I know of your early 548 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: years and architecture and then going into design and then 549 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 1: you know you're traveling Europe and your success, and then 550 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: you go into the movie business, and you know, when 551 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: I saw a single. 552 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 3: Man is like a piece of art. It is beautiful. 553 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: Your your your your ability to go from fashion to 554 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: creating a film? 555 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 3: Where did that? Where does that come from? 556 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: And you have these two films that you've done there beautiful? 557 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: Are you working on another film? And you also have 558 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: my god, you're asking like five questions, and let's go. 559 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 2: Back to where where does it come from? Because I'm 560 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 2: already forgetting what you ask. No, no, no, you can 561 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: ask the second one after the first. 562 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 4: Uh. 563 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 2: They sort of lead that way. Yes, as you can tell, 564 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: I'm very bossy, which right there is a good answer director. 565 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 3: The word director. 566 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 2: It's something that comes naturally to me. You know, I 567 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: am a creative director. I am used to working with 568 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 2: the very best people in fashion. Let's just say, let's 569 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 2: start with fashion. The very best people you have to 570 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 2: have a vision. You have to know what you want 571 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 2: to say as a fashion designer, but you have to 572 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: lead and inspire this group of people. Fashion designer, I 573 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: mean you assistant designers, seamstresses, hair and makeup people, lighting people. 574 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: You have to get the best out of them. So 575 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 2: you have to inspire them and you know, let them 576 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 2: express themselves. But at the same time you have to 577 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 2: sort of corralat ale and focus it into your vision, 578 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 2: which is in my case, somewhat singular. You know, fashion 579 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: is not a democracy, it's a dictatorship. And in the end, 580 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 2: you know, if I design something is because that's exactly 581 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 2: the way I want it. I've been called a control freak. 582 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 2: I hate that word, but I think if my name 583 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 2: is on something, it needs to be exactly the way. Sure, 584 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 2: So yes, others somebody else can say maybe it should 585 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 2: be like this, and I say, no, you should be 586 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: like that, or yes, a great idea, right. So the 587 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 2: same is true with film. As a film director, it's 588 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 2: the same process. You have to have a vision, you 589 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 2: have to know what you want to say. You have 590 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 2: to hire the best people, bring out the best in them, 591 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 2: the best actors, the best cinematographer of the best of everything, 592 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: but yet you have to steer it all in a 593 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: way that expresses your point of view and that you 594 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 2: don't lose. So the process is not dissimilar. Also, the 595 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 2: thing about fashion is we have people don't realize. Fashion 596 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:59,239 Speaker 2: designers have an enormous kind of hard drive loaded with 597 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: images from almost every film that's ever been made. You know, 598 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 2: when we start a collection, we pull images from you know, 599 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 2: the twenties, the thirties, the forties, the fifties, the sixties, 600 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 2: and most of them are from film where they're from, 601 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: you know, So we have a grasp on culture, contemporary culture, 602 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: past culture that I don't think most people realize. And 603 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 2: that's very helpful when you're making a film to have, 604 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: you know, to know all of the great you know, 605 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 2: filmmakers that came. 606 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: Are there any that you can pull that you say 607 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: I loved or her work growing up that influenced you? 608 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 3: Oh? 609 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 4: God, so many. 610 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's more like pick a decade 611 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: and who was your favorite director from that period. You know, 612 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 2: there was a moment and this maybe sounds I don't 613 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: know whether this will sound great or not, but there 614 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: was a moment in gay culture when it was really 615 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 2: almost part of your responsibility as a gay man or 616 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: woman to know every old film that was ever made 617 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 2: and to be able to almost quote them, and that 618 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 2: has been lost often. Now I'll mention to a younger 619 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: friend that's gay. Oh you know, blah blah blah, something 620 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: Betty Davis said in this film, or so and so 621 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 2: said in that film where you know George. Do you 622 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 2: remember that? Yeah? Yeah, and they don't know what you're 623 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 2: talking about. 624 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 3: You know, I did not get lost. You're one hundred 625 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 3: percent right, We all knew. 626 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: So we now almost need to teach a gay cultural 627 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 2: history class. I don't know. 628 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 3: That might be what you do, you know? 629 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 2: Or maybe it's okay that we're losing it, because maybe 630 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 2: it means that that you know that the world is 631 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 2: becoming more homogenized. You can be gay, you can be straight, 632 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 2: you can be Maybe we don't have to, you know, 633 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 2: I look forward to this day when the phrase coming 634 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 2: out of the closet will just completely disappear because you 635 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 2: won't have to come out of a closet because you 636 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 2: would never have been in a closet. And people will say, oh, 637 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: it's getting there. You're dating her. Yeah, yeah, well weren't 638 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,479 Speaker 2: you dating him, Yes, but we broke up and now 639 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 2: I'm dating her and it's just not even a thought. 640 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: So I know I'm rambling, No, you're not right for 641 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 2: the movies we've now gone on to. 642 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 3: No. But I think I think you're right. 643 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: I think that you know what, what I see with 644 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 1: my nephews and some of their friends who are gay, 645 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: is they don't there's no declaration. 646 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 3: There really is no more declaration. 647 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: So I think that one and one of the reasons 648 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: I think that is happening is because of our generation, 649 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: but specifically people like yourself, who have influenced culture, who 650 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: have influenced style, who have brought the sexuality of men 651 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: and women and kind of intertwined it. Tom, That's something, 652 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: thank you, that a younger generation sees. 653 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 3: So they might not know the Betty Davis line. 654 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: They're looking at your images, your billboards, your commercials, your clothes, 655 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: your runway shows, and they're seeing this fluidity. 656 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 2: That's the thing. After I've been fashion designer for about 657 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,720 Speaker 2: thirty five years and I've seen every style and trend 658 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 2: home and go, and it constantly amazes me. You know, 659 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 2: some of my younger assistants in my design studio there 660 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 2: in their early twenties, and they'll come and show me 661 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 2: something that like, yeah, we did that in nineteen eighty eight, 662 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 2: And in my mind it's old because we've already done that, 663 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 2: we did that in nineteen eighty eight, But to them 664 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 2: it's so new. It was done twenty years before they 665 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 2: were born, and they've never seen it before, and they 666 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 2: get so excited. So it's constantly tricky to kind of 667 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 2: keep your mind, at least in fashion. Yeah, so you 668 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 2: have to surround yourself with young assistants to whom all 669 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 2: of these things seem fresh, even though you've seen them 670 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 2: in several incarnations previously. 671 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: When do you know like that it's because you sort 672 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: of brought back a seventies vibe for a bit there. 673 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's interesting because I was talking to 674 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 2: a friend who had just interviewed Georgia Harmani the other day, 675 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 2: and my friend said, and he's a fashion journalist, he said, 676 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 2: you know, if you could live in an era, just stylistically, 677 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 2: what would it be? And I said the nineteen thirties 678 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 2: And he said, that's what Georgia Armani said the other 679 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 2: day when I interviewed him, And I said, well, it's 680 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 2: the same because the early seventies were all about reviving 681 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 2: the nineteen thirties, and then the nineties was my generation 682 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 2: reviving the early seventies. So there and now everyone's reviving 683 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 2: the nineties. So there's a constant revival. But what happens 684 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 2: is it changes each time because our beauty standard changes. 685 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 2: Today's beauty standard is hard and a little meaner and 686 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 2: tougher than it was in the nineteen seventies, where in 687 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies men and women were kissable. They were 688 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 2: you know, you look at a beautiful woman in a 689 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 2: fashion magazine in the nineteen seventies and just smiling. You know, 690 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 2: women and men in fashion magazines and on the runway 691 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 2: in that period used to smile. I mean Halston shows, 692 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 2: you know, the models twirled down the runway with smile 693 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 2: on their face, laughing, and fashion was joyous. Today every 694 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 2: ad everyone's glaring at you and they're looking for me 695 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 2: and tough or miserable. Those are the ones that kill me. 696 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 2: Where it's like by this really expensive five thousand dollars coat, 697 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 2: and you two can look miserable and mean and depressed. 698 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 3: So anything on the horizon. 699 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 2: But you're a couple of things. One is a screenplay 700 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 2: that I finished right before COVID, and another is a 701 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 2: property that I have that I need to get busy 702 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 2: and finish the screenplay on. But I'm only now, as 703 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 2: I said earlier, coming out of a kind of year 704 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 2: long period of readjustment. And before that, Richard was quite ill. 705 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 2: For a few years we had COVID. I didn't feel 706 00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 2: very creative. 707 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: No, no, no, I understand that though memo, everything is 708 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,839 Speaker 1: still sort of so perfect. I mean, I just you're 709 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: you know, you walk into your store here in Los 710 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: Angeles and Beverly Hills and it's just your Your line 711 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: is just gorgeous. 712 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 3: What is what is spring? 713 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 2: What is Oh my god, you're not really going to 714 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,439 Speaker 2: do just a little bit, Oh my god, spring, Well 715 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 2: for spring, I take off my jacket and I roll 716 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 2: up my sleeves and that's called spring. 717 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 3: What is that? What are the colors of spring? 718 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 2: Oh god, come on, we're not going to talk about fashion. 719 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 3: We're not going to talk about We're done with fashion. 720 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 2: Not that I don't love fashion, I do, but I 721 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 2: think it's because it's my well, what would. 722 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 3: You describe my fashion? 723 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 4: Uh? 724 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 2: You take more fashion risks than most men. I know, really, 725 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 2: I think of you as very definitely a fashion consumer, 726 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 2: which is great because I know you wear a lot 727 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 2: of my clothes, but they look good on you. You know, 728 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 2: you take care of yourself, you know what works on you, 729 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 2: you know what colors look great on you. You're not 730 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 2: afraid to take risks, and so I would say you 731 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 2: are the perfect male customer. I'm not just saying that 732 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 2: because I'm sitting here having lunch with you being recorded, 733 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 2: but actually it's true. 734 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 3: Thank you. 735 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 2: I however, because I work in fashion, and by the way, 736 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 2: look at the runways and see what most fashion designers 737 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 2: come out in at the end of the show. Most 738 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 2: male fashion designers are in a pair of jeans with 739 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 2: a pair of trainers, with a T shirt or something 740 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 2: like that. Because all day long we spend time looking 741 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 2: at clothes, and it's we're in fittings, we're looking at fabrics, 742 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,720 Speaker 2: we're looking at colors, and I think it's very hard 743 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 2: to turn that back upon myself. I do it more 744 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,240 Speaker 2: in evening. You know, in LA don't wear evening clothes 745 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 2: very much unless you're on a red carpet in London, 746 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 2: for example. Though you know I would be in a 747 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 2: tuxedo a couple of nights a week, and there are 748 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 2: restaurants where you still have to wear a tie and 749 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 2: you have to have on a jacket. And so you 750 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 2: open a closet where I have evening clothes, and I 751 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 2: probably have, you know, twenty different evening jackets, whereas per 752 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 2: day I have a row of black suits or jeans. 753 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 2: You know, I have sort of two looks. I have 754 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 2: a look that I grew up in Santa Fe and 755 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 2: I still wear. You've probably seen me in it, you know, 756 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 2: beaten up jeans and nim shirt, a pair of boots. 757 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 2: So I sort of have two uniforms and one is 758 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 2: a suit. And you know, Jack, one of his teachers 759 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 2: called me in a year or two ago and said, 760 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 2: you know, we have a problem. And I said what 761 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 2: And she said, well, Jack is telling some of the 762 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 2: other boys that they're tacky. We're wearing shorts to school. 763 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 2: And I said, well, I really don't think shorts should 764 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 2: be allowed at school. I mean, Jack wears jeans and 765 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 2: a T shirt. 766 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 3: I love that about Jack, and I agree it's all 767 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 3: he does. 768 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 2: But all of his friends wear shorts. It's like Jack, 769 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 2: you can wear shorts on the tennis. Sure, you can 770 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,240 Speaker 2: wear shorts at home, you can wear shorts on vacasion, 771 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,800 Speaker 2: you can wear swim shorts in the pool, but no, 772 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 2: you really shouldn't go to school in shorts. 773 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: I have the same feeling, and I why have that 774 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: thing about men and sneakers that that were You should 775 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: wear shoes, You should wear loafers when you're in you know, 776 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: when you go out. Like so when I was in 777 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: COVID and I got up and I get just every day, 778 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: like I was leaving the house, but I was just 779 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: walking down to my office and Brian would be like, 780 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: where are you going? She'd hear click click click click, 781 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: and he I'm like, I'm just going down the. 782 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 2: Hall click click click click like a. 783 00:41:51,160 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: Heel, mister Ford, and never take it for granted spending 784 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: time with Tom, and I hope you've all enjoyed today's lunch. 785 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 3: Tom is incredibly. 786 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: Generous, he's loving, he's a reverent, he's kind. But it 787 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: doesn't always come without some anxiety. So let's talk a 788 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: little bit more with mister Ford to see how he 789 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: gets through the night. 790 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 2: Life inspires me and usually this will sound crazy, but 791 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 2: that comes from problems, meaning the things that wake me 792 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 2: up in the middle of the night. Are things that 793 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 2: are not working in my life, things that I need 794 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 2: to improve, things that I need to be You know, 795 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,360 Speaker 2: I'm crazy. I'll wake up the middle of a not 796 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 2: obsessing about something. But what that usually tells me is, oh, 797 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 2: there's not a solution here. Now. It'll sound trite to 798 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 2: pull that back into clothing, but often people will say 799 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 2: to me, you know. 800 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 3: Do you wear all your own clothes? 801 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 2: And I say, well, of course, because if there's something 802 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 2: I need, if there's some thing I want and I 803 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 2: don't make it, then that means all right, there's a 804 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 2: niche in the market that's inspiring to me, and then 805 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,280 Speaker 2: I design whatever it is. So life is what's inspiring 806 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,359 Speaker 2: moving through life when you encounter I'm very practical. You 807 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 2: encounter something you don't have, you invent it, you fix it, 808 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 2: you make it, you know. And so so life for 809 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 2: me is a little can be a little tortured, and 810 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 2: I think for those around me can be very tortured 811 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 2: because no matter what, I never stop, it's never perfect, 812 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,439 Speaker 2: it's never finished, it's never corrected. You know, I'll see 813 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 2: a new flaw, I'll have to repair it. I'll have 814 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 2: to fix it. I have to create it. It's constant, 815 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,240 Speaker 2: and that I think is part of being a designer. 816 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 2: I mean, you're designing, and you know all the things 817 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 2: that you're doing are supposed to make life better. It's 818 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,839 Speaker 2: supposed to make life more beautiful, more pleasant, more comfortable. 819 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 2: That's what we do. And so the things that wake 820 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 2: me up in the middle of the night are usually 821 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 2: things that are torturing me. Richard used to say, you know, 822 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 2: why are you thinking about this. It's not important. Yes, 823 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 2: it is important. We have to redo that. So far, 824 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 2: it's the wrong shade. It doesn't work with a carpet. 825 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 2: That gray is too cold and the carpet is a 826 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 2: warm gray. We have to fix it. Is driving me crazy, 827 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 2: you know, obsessing, and you know I'm fortunate enough to 828 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 2: be able to obsess about things. A lot of people aren't, 829 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 2: but I am, so I'm very lucky in that way. 830 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 1: It's so meaningful to me that you join me today. 831 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 3: I love you so much for so many reasons. 832 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: I think that what I know about Tom Ford is 833 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,319 Speaker 1: you know, your sense of humor, your generosity, and. 834 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,320 Speaker 2: I can be much more wicked when wow, when we're not. 835 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,280 Speaker 3: Being dirty together. We are just very we're dirty. 836 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:48,759 Speaker 4: I don't know. 837 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 2: Well yeah, well I think so. 838 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: But I just want to thank you very much for 839 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 1: joining me today at the table. 840 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 3: I hope this was not as painful as you thought 841 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 3: it was going on. 842 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 2: Oh it wasn't painful at all, and it was a 843 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 2: great pleasure, So thank you. 844 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: Table for two with Bruce Bozzi is produced by iHeartRadio 845 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: seven three seven Park and Air Maryland. Our executive producers 846 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 1: are Bruce Bosi and Nathan King. 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