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Speaker 1: fun as episode with Ebony the Queen Williams. Guess what
Speaker 1: decision we're about to make? Horrible Decisions. Hi guys, welcome
Speaker 1: to another episode of Horrible Decisions. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Mandy Be sitting next to Wheezy w TF. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: love it, y'all. We got a guest today and I'm
Speaker 1: super excited that she finally came and joined us. Yes,
Speaker 1: with the hold, but in this outfit she's holding couch
Speaker 1: and saving it. We would love to give a warm
Speaker 1: welcome y'all to our guest today, miss Ebony. Kay, will
Speaker 1: you what's up? No, we ain't got to sound effects,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm so excited for you to finally join us.
Speaker 1: Up too long Nowbody tell you to be in Miami fail.
Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, as far as you're branding.
Speaker 1: When we got the email from Dolly that was like
Speaker 1: every wants to come on the show, I was like,
Speaker 1: is there another Ebany? Really? No, but I've been stalking
Speaker 1: maybe in her d. I was like, but you know
Speaker 1: what it's I guess that's what you think people are
Speaker 1: on Instagram right right? For example, I'm always getting books
Speaker 1: and those covers. Wheezy about those books and those covers.
Speaker 1: I was just like, damn, we'll be gonna say, hey
Speaker 1: was she Oh, I'm not gonna y'all send me that
Speaker 1: dryass rundown bitch. I did listen. I did. I did
Speaker 1: because I was like, you know, like certain people, we
Speaker 1: still want them to feel comfortable, even though we will
Speaker 1: make you feel uncomfortable. I was like, Okay, well, here's
Speaker 1: the way we're gonna go about this so that I
Speaker 1: don't have to ask Ebony if she eats aster like
Speaker 1: toes which one do you do? You know, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to But also, if you had to pick, would
Speaker 1: you rather eat ass or sucktos? Suck toes? Definitely? Really
Speaker 1: you ain't you ain't look Yeah, yeah I don't. That
Speaker 1: doesn't even feel hard to me. Oh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you have a like men feeling? I actually haven't.
Speaker 1: Haven trying to think. I would prefer that they're both,
Speaker 1: that they both would be washed. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I don't presume either the anus the toes are washed.
Speaker 1: You know, you said man toes man toes is different
Speaker 1: than I will say. You do give hetero, but you
Speaker 1: give me. I made out with a girl in college,
Speaker 1: for sure. But also a lot of people told me,
Speaker 1: um that I was giving them power lesbian. Oh you
Speaker 1: guys don't get any power lesbian me. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not shout out to the whole LGBT a cute community,
Speaker 1: love y'all. But a lot of people get super powerless bean.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a strong women. They don't. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's even like it's it's just ameanor like us. Hold on,
Speaker 1: I look like you actually like a relaxed lesbian. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm not like a pillow, a pillow princess crazy.
Speaker 1: I actually don't really care for heads. So I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm the one who eats everyone in the bed, whether
Speaker 1: it's you're a worker baby, Yes, that is actually me.
Speaker 1: I'm never a pillow princess. I do want to say, Um,
Speaker 1: I am, how did you go here? Already about the way,
Speaker 1: already welcome to horrible decision, Welcome to horrible decisions. I
Speaker 1: do want to say, however, I am a little envious
Speaker 1: of you, um and y'all. Before the camera's cut on,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm so jealous, eany you just look
Speaker 1: like a wife, and I feel weasy to pot like hose,
Speaker 1: even though weey swear she don't really look like oh
Speaker 1: she thinks she little white be material. But then you
Speaker 1: come in and we're like, no, we look like the
Speaker 1: hose and you look like no. No, have either of
Speaker 1: y'all been married? No? No? No, okay, so no no,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna share you. I think I'm older a
Speaker 1: little bit than both of you, So let Auntie give
Speaker 1: y'all some first gyms. I have been brish, I have
Speaker 1: a ring, pop, I did ze ways show shout out
Speaker 1: to ze Way her new Showtime show with Nap. She
Speaker 1: gave us ring pops in her swag bag. I love that,
Speaker 1: So I have a ring pop for you, says Okay,
Speaker 1: she proposed to me. She proposed with a ring pop
Speaker 1: ring y'all know, but that Kelly Price you want to
Speaker 1: say at age? No, No, I'm Auntie age. We are,
Speaker 1: y'all are definitely if y'all don't know about that Kelly
Speaker 1: Price he proposed to me. Maybe you weren't in the
Speaker 1: rate Cayden keeping. Oh maybe I can't sing. Okay, you
Speaker 1: have to do me like that many So anyway, back
Speaker 1: to what wives and what hos look like. By the way,
Speaker 1: just relaxed. You ain't guy talking to the mic. You
Speaker 1: don't have to do you have a good boy and look,
Speaker 1: yeah it was right quality. Come join us like we got. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know it's a little different setup. So I was
Speaker 1: briefly married in my late twenties. Uh, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: In and out within a year. I call it my
Speaker 1: starter marriage. This is what I was sure any successful
Speaker 1: marriage requires, I believe from my experience, a lot of sex.
Speaker 1: So if you were projecting an aesthetic, ladies, please pay
Speaker 1: attention that says that you are skimmish about sex, prudish
Speaker 1: about sex. You actually are not looking to be a wife.
Speaker 1: You're looking to be a oh mate, So just get
Speaker 1: that out of your mind. I think there's a misconception
Speaker 1: at air. I think it's also generational. I think it's
Speaker 1: like when you're young, you think that like, oh, let
Speaker 1: me look buttoned up and polished and all that ship
Speaker 1: to look wifely. No men want their wives to funk them.
Speaker 1: That is like a part wifely duties. Right, it's a
Speaker 1: part of it. Don't ever, ever, ever stop having sex
Speaker 1: in your man Okay, So let me ask you then
Speaker 1: why you think. And of course I already had the
Speaker 1: conversation where I believe Steve Harvey ruined dating for a
Speaker 1: lot of our generation in saying that in order to
Speaker 1: be seen as wife the material or girlfriend material even
Speaker 1: you should hold out and not have sex. But you're
Speaker 1: saying the complete opposite, and as a woman, so I
Speaker 1: want to know. I think it's six in one hand,
Speaker 1: half a dozen the other. I think what I got
Speaker 1: from Steve Harvey, and I don't think anybody in here
Speaker 1: like takes advice from Steve hard Let's be clear, um,
Speaker 1: do you think they don't? I said in here, Yeah, here,
Speaker 1: I think we really believe in that. It's not I
Speaker 1: don't believe in sex without monogamy. But once I decide
Speaker 1: I want to be a monogamous with you, So it's
Speaker 1: a double standard. Oh so this is this story. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this was with my expience. We you're my man now,
Speaker 1: I said, no, listen, this is a true story. I've
Speaker 1: told this story I think one other time in public.
Speaker 1: But here I don't think youbody heard it. So here
Speaker 1: we go, aeron to go here. Everybody's gonna here right now.
Speaker 1: So we had been dating maybe two months. We had
Speaker 1: probably gone on six or seven actual dates like dinners,
Speaker 1: knicks games. It was cool, it was a vibe. He
Speaker 1: had money. Okay, So I wasn't sure if there was
Speaker 1: a lot of physical attraction until date three or four,
Speaker 1: and then we started kissing. I'm like, okay, maybe sometimes.
Speaker 1: So fast forward to date number seven. I then decided
Speaker 1: that I needed to figure out what the sex was
Speaker 1: gonna be like, because I don't want to fall in
Speaker 1: love with somebody i'm not sexually compatible with, like that
Speaker 1: is a horrific one. So I was like, okay, age,
Speaker 1: not with a hard age. Horrif so we do the deed,
Speaker 1: it was great. Do the deed all right, ebony, legal deed.
Speaker 1: Like the legal deed. We executed a deed. No look
Speaker 1: at me trying to do little. We did the thing.
Speaker 1: We had our little sex capaid um, and it was
Speaker 1: it was absolutely good, only to get better. Because that's
Speaker 1: my experience, I think if the sex starts good, it's
Speaker 1: going to only go to great. I've never had a
Speaker 1: sexual experience where we regressed like we always think. Okay, No,
Speaker 1: I have where I started having to tell him the
Speaker 1: sex ain't even good. Clearly, I like you, because your
Speaker 1: sex is not given what it was given, what it was,
Speaker 1: what it was given. Sometimes people get lazy. Women do too.
Speaker 1: I have women do to thing about it, how many
Speaker 1: guy friends we've had, or someone who's should do this
Speaker 1: for me any I mean, I'm not gonna do one
Speaker 1: thing I don't do. I'm people on makeup like I
Speaker 1: used to. Yeah, but I'm not gonna go from licking
Speaker 1: the balls to then saying I'm not gonna lick the
Speaker 1: balls anymore. I think that's false advertising. I don't believe
Speaker 1: in that. Whatever I start in fact, I start at
Speaker 1: a lower quadrant about a game. And then because it's women,
Speaker 1: we expect a game for men. But you're saying your
Speaker 1: first game. I'm not really, I'm not, no, no game.
Speaker 1: Work your way up to that, because so you're saying
Speaker 1: you don't even suck the first not the first time
Speaker 1: we sleep together. Now you don't know, go to three
Speaker 1: thousand off the rill, but she's gonna suck. Told them,
Speaker 1: do you expect to get out on the first time?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily. I feel like most guys do that though,
Speaker 1: to like get you to have sex, because we expect
Speaker 1: them to have a game. Back to the story. They's
Speaker 1: a good intermediate questions. Okay, okay, story, so we have sex,
Speaker 1: we fuck you good man? Yeah, okay, now getting out
Speaker 1: of it, and then um, I'm like, so, by the way,
Speaker 1: if you ever want to do that again, which I
Speaker 1: also enjoyed. Um, he was still like finishing, so he
Speaker 1: was just like really like on one, I was like, um,
Speaker 1: we go together period point blank. In the story, we
Speaker 1: go together. We're in exclusive monoguous relationship. Otherwise continue to
Speaker 1: see other people and I can too, but then that
Speaker 1: part of our relationship is not going to be on
Speaker 1: the table. And that's how we ended up in a relationship.
Speaker 1: That's how you begin rings. Bitch, damn, I need wait wait,
Speaker 1: wait so real quick. I do want to, but it's
Speaker 1: like they want a monogoruous relationship. Everybody's not looking for that.
Speaker 1: I want, I want now, and like we just want
Speaker 1: want to comment. I just also want a wife be
Speaker 1: on the side and a little other whole on the side,
Speaker 1: but commitment, but also like I want commitment, but all
Speaker 1: my babies. But like maybe if I want to suck
Speaker 1: somebody else one day, I could. Okay, Well, people have
Speaker 1: whole marriages like that, your marriages I want, we want
Speaker 1: whole marriages, whole, but whole marriages as well. Hilarious. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: you negotiate the terms of your marriage. I mean I
Speaker 1: feel like we hear about that a lot now in
Speaker 1: Hollywood especially. This is going on in bedrooms across America.
Speaker 1: So I'll just say shout out Smith and Ja Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean exactly that, Smith, And do you ever work
Speaker 1: on prenups I have, which we're not there yet, I
Speaker 1: guess will do it now. Yeah, I want to ask
Speaker 1: the question, like family, yes, people, have people ever had
Speaker 1: in a prenup something that had to do with sex. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you can put terms in about maintaining the type of
Speaker 1: sex is what I've most frequently seen, like kind of
Speaker 1: to y'all's point, making sure that oral sex is a consistent,
Speaker 1: regular part and if it is not not there can
Speaker 1: be a financial consequence. Absolutely out here, absolutely because that
Speaker 1: could it could be considered a breach of your agreement. So,
Speaker 1: and here's the thing. I'm glad that we actually brought
Speaker 1: it up, because I did want to say that this
Speaker 1: has been a conversation to where across my friends with
Speaker 1: my relationship. Now, if marriage is ever on the table,
Speaker 1: my partner has to sign a prenup at this point
Speaker 1: with seeing like weezy and I don't have a cap
Speaker 1: at all with with what with what we can see
Speaker 1: horrible plus three Yeah, no, y'all going straight to the top.
Speaker 1: Already almost there. And so I want to ask you,
Speaker 1: how often do you see women doing the prenup to
Speaker 1: protect themselves? Because normally we hear about the men wanting
Speaker 1: to protect their assets and feel as though women are
Speaker 1: the gold diggers. How often do women actually give the
Speaker 1: pre Generationally shifting fast, y'all, Most every prenup I have
Speaker 1: done have been for women and women of color, mostly
Speaker 1: black women. I'll just say, you're playing because we don't
Speaker 1: work around. Because we're not working around. We worked really hard.
Speaker 1: One thing we're gonna do is we're gonna go to
Speaker 1: fucking school. We're gonna go to school, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: vote Black women gonna do that ship um, and we
Speaker 1: own homes at a higher level. We we just are
Speaker 1: acquiring wealth at a different level than our brothers, and
Speaker 1: we need I want to close that wealth gap, you know,
Speaker 1: for our black brothers as well. But yeah, I just
Speaker 1: believe everybody should get a prenup. I really do. And
Speaker 1: by the way, guys, I know we did an awful job.
Speaker 1: We kind of gave Ebony the arrogant wheezy intro by
Speaker 1: just saying Ebony whatever. It was a joke on another episode.
Speaker 1: We just know she is that bitch now. So she's
Speaker 1: she said google me, I was playing. I ain't got
Speaker 1: a Wikipedia. Well, what I love about this conversation For
Speaker 1: those of you who are not familiar with Ebony Kay Williams,
Speaker 1: I just want to run down real quick. She is
Speaker 1: our sister on the Black Effect Network and her co
Speaker 1: host is there so fine, So justin is her co
Speaker 1: host with on the podcast Holding Court. You guys may
Speaker 1: have also seen her on Revolts State of the Culture. Um,
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. She came in, she gave me good.
Speaker 1: I don't know when he's coming back, but I don't
Speaker 1: know anyway. That actually like nothing. I didn't know about
Speaker 1: it of Court. If I had a name was on it,
Speaker 1: I would have say, that's kind of ore a little
Speaker 1: bit connection because Ebony is the only person that I
Speaker 1: know in this industry to work as well with Joe
Speaker 1: and Charlemagne almost coincidely, and so that's kind of where
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, girl, you're like, you're
Speaker 1: the only person to ever be huge energy, a lot
Speaker 1: going one. Wait wait, we just want to say, Charlottagne,
Speaker 1: it is our partner. And I never hear him complain
Speaker 1: talk about Joe. I really feel like he doesn't give
Speaker 1: a It's not that it's more it's just more of it. No,
Speaker 1: it's not obs because I'm the really idiots people. I
Speaker 1: feel like it was the ops, like who I work with,
Speaker 1: Charlottmayne is up there doing his ship. I don't even
Speaker 1: want to act like that's well, no, I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it can the people around us. No, that's
Speaker 1: not what we're doing. It's people that say that people
Speaker 1: working with both of them, We don't even need to
Speaker 1: mention working with both of them, like, well, well me
Speaker 1: and Ebony do um. And then people ask people all
Speaker 1: the time they should um. And then I do want
Speaker 1: to say as well for those of you who are
Speaker 1: stands like myself. Uh, miss Ebony Kay Williams is the
Speaker 1: first black castmatee on the Real Housewives of That's of
Speaker 1: New York. Yeah, you know, I just started watching it
Speaker 1: during quarantine and you know, I love to do you know,
Speaker 1: the voices me and Marry all. But so when I
Speaker 1: first started watching um so, I was living in Mexico
Speaker 1: last year and the only things that I could watch
Speaker 1: for very old episodes of Real house that they were
Speaker 1: in English. So I live in Elias and when I
Speaker 1: saw I was like Jill Zaron saw very fabric. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be walking by like damn, I'm gonna just buy
Speaker 1: some Pellows and Drakes, just you like. It was so exciting,
Speaker 1: But you know, I fell out of Housewives, and I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, when you stop watching the show, you kind
Speaker 1: of don't realize that you'll fall back in. Come on,
Speaker 1: I need draw, not because baby I stand. I did
Speaker 1: the Patriots like super huge. You fall in and out
Speaker 1: of show. Even people with the podcast sometimes they'll still stop.
Speaker 1: They jump back, like it happens when you have something
Speaker 1: so long running. And just the excitement I think and
Speaker 1: love that people have shown you Ebany has made me
Speaker 1: so excited, especially Leah, like we're all so happy to
Speaker 1: like see this happen. And especially because in Atlanta we
Speaker 1: watched Black Girls for years and and Potomic and it's
Speaker 1: married to medicine, amazing black women in New York and
Speaker 1: we just got it. So keep watching anyway, anyway, shout
Speaker 1: out to that. But I did real quick before we
Speaker 1: get intar a little show. I did just want to
Speaker 1: do a quick icebreaker. Uh. And even though we kind
Speaker 1: of broke the ice real quick already, they're really quick.
Speaker 1: Would you rather um and weezy? I would love your
Speaker 1: answers on these as well? Real quick? Uh, this is
Speaker 1: relationship edition, guys. Would you rather tell the truth and
Speaker 1: hurt your partner or lie and not hurt your partner? Oh?
Speaker 1: Tell the truth. I hurt my partner. I'm notorious for
Speaker 1: hard truth in general. Friends, mama, partner don't matter. She said,
Speaker 1: you're telling people you going to jail. No, but and
Speaker 1: how much time can you do? And you should consider
Speaker 1: that before you Yeah, I didn't let you, huh, because
Speaker 1: unfortunately a lot of my clients are repeat offender. Sorry weezy,
Speaker 1: I don't know what y'all know about that life, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I know I didn't. He got locked right back up
Speaker 1: and because he got later parole exactly, it's like I
Speaker 1: didn't even get you before. You're sucking up again. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: by the way, what is your title? Because that is
Speaker 1: what we're gonna get into as well. You are a yes,
Speaker 1: So I am M. K. Williams Esquire, which means I
Speaker 1: have a licensed attorney in the state of North Carolina,
Speaker 1: still licensed to practice. And I'm an attorney, but I'm no,
Speaker 1: I haven't practiced. And about nine ten, she just know
Speaker 1: a law of y'all, just like we know how to
Speaker 1: dick all right, put it next way? And no one said,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do that either, But you're
Speaker 1: just getting it off the first date right right right
Speaker 1: next one. Would you rather your parents not like your
Speaker 1: partner or your friends not like your partner? For my
Speaker 1: case my parents only because God knows, I love Glory,
Speaker 1: but she's in New Orleans and she's not somebody that
Speaker 1: has the interface with us. Okay, routine basis, what about you?
Speaker 1: Because I know you love your mama, and your mama
Speaker 1: will tell I don't like this man. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I hate when my friends don't like somebody, but my
Speaker 1: mom would be hard. Your mom is very very rude
Speaker 1: and petty when she doesn't like someone. Um, and I've
Speaker 1: experienced it, like when I was dating Jeeves. I dated
Speaker 1: this white guy and he was very artsy williamsburgy guy,
Speaker 1: and my mom would addict the size of a forearm.
Speaker 1: And my mom we're at dinner. Nice. He takes us
Speaker 1: out to this place and my mom has been just
Speaker 1: weight on hand and foot by men i've been with. Right,
Speaker 1: She's used to me being a man, and even not
Speaker 1: a fluent men, Like, this is what I do for
Speaker 1: my mother. Right, we're doing Michelin Stars, we're doing of course. Right.
Speaker 1: We go to this restaurant and so you live in
Speaker 1: New York, you're staying in New York. He goes, yeah.
Speaker 1: She was like, okay, and how long do you think
Speaker 1: that's going to go on because she did. She said,
Speaker 1: you know, she said, because he was he was artsy,
Speaker 1: which means my mother broke. I don't take creatives like
Speaker 1: that either. Now for me, I'm into that, so I'm
Speaker 1: times supposed to say that. I mean, it's cool they
Speaker 1: see out at this point. I mean, my car husband
Speaker 1: wasn't creative. I used to only I'm not my starter husband.
Speaker 1: But she was basically like, you know, So we went
Speaker 1: to the next club. I wanted to take them to
Speaker 1: towel and my mom said, and is this the place
Speaker 1: she would want to go, because you know, I just
Speaker 1: I get your I see what your ribe is. You
Speaker 1: had meet My mom would be real housewive, the first
Speaker 1: black girl she could black women to get into Studio
Speaker 1: fifty four. And she'll let you know, I kind of
Speaker 1: want to hang out with she's she's she's a trip.
Speaker 1: I took her to the public hotel. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you how boogie my mom? Is this where I get
Speaker 1: it from? Ian Schragar designed that right, And so somebody
Speaker 1: was trying to tell her who he was, his white waitress.
Speaker 1: My mom said, honey, I've done this before. I partied
Speaker 1: with him. I know who he is. I've opened. I
Speaker 1: understand this. I don't need you to tell me where
Speaker 1: I am. Thank you, kind of like somebody tried to
Speaker 1: tell me about sag Harbor. Oh yeah, y'all gotta watched
Speaker 1: the episode. You gotta watch. Go ahead, Okay, go ahead,
Speaker 1: EXE either or last one? Would you rather make love
Speaker 1: three times a day for a month or not make
Speaker 1: love for a month? Oh? No, three times a day
Speaker 1: is fine in the beginning, that's great. Three times a
Speaker 1: day day for a month. I can hang, I believe,
Speaker 1: I know. I can't. I can not do it at all. No,
Speaker 1: I don't ten times in one morning and still was
Speaker 1: like coming over, that's ninety times, and I'm that's a lot.
Speaker 1: But the alternative is nothing. Let me. I just want
Speaker 1: to make sure. That's a great question to no one
Speaker 1: says it has to be took. Yeah, look, so can we?
Speaker 1: It could be three pumps it out. I mean that's
Speaker 1: I don't say that is not if it's full on sex.
Speaker 1: Did actually saying real quick sex? Actually doesn't say sex.
Speaker 1: It says make love. When it's making love. That's a
Speaker 1: lot of intimacy. No, it's not just three strokes. That's
Speaker 1: barely breakfast. Lunching dinner. Note. No, actually, you know how
Speaker 1: I would make this. I feel like I could. I'm
Speaker 1: up for a challenge. I would. It goes three times
Speaker 1: every time regardless. So what that's different because you have
Speaker 1: around within like a session three separate times. In my
Speaker 1: head is like in the morning you say that you
Speaker 1: you can. It could be it could be backed back.
Speaker 1: Where did the rule come from? Okay, came from Google.
Speaker 1: Next is our vanilla ship. For those of you who
Speaker 1: are tuning, who are tuning in for the first time,
Speaker 1: Vanilla ship is sex in the news. And this is
Speaker 1: something that maybe you guys have been aware of already,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to save it specifically to talk. Yes, um,
Speaker 1: just because we and I ain't lawyer's bitch. I mean,
Speaker 1: I got two bachelors. That's about it. Um. Okay, you
Speaker 1: people know she couldn't wait to tell us that I
Speaker 1: love it, girl, I love come from corporate, I have
Speaker 1: to bitch. I came from corporate too. I just climbed
Speaker 1: to the top of that. Okay with me, I got
Speaker 1: my little papers to um and I just figured out
Speaker 1: what I was gonna hang on. My doctor Umar would say,
Speaker 1: why do both of y'all me white man's paperwords. Is
Speaker 1: this what we're doing? Don't get you an honorary brother.
Speaker 1: I've told you Dr Umar ain't even adopted and I
Speaker 1: don't side with that motherfuck ne bro. That's it anyone, y'all? Wallet? Okay?
Speaker 1: Is that your friend? Girls? My brand? Okay? So the
Speaker 1: middle Ya got this little narrow ass brand for me?
Speaker 1: Go ahead? You know what if your Instagram, well, it's
Speaker 1: about to you. You a fenty ambassador, we all see
Speaker 1: you with some link bit essence article. I was like,
Speaker 1: ohly ship, Yeah, the first time my personal life is
Speaker 1: being discussed, which I get, Wenna get there. So I
Speaker 1: did want to have the conversation again, as some of
Speaker 1: you guys may know, uh they legalized or decriminalized. I
Speaker 1: want to know the difference partially partially prostitution in New
Speaker 1: York um. So we've talked about prostitution being legal in
Speaker 1: places like Nevada, um where there's brothels and things like that. However,
Speaker 1: before we get into this, what is the difference between
Speaker 1: legalization and decriminalization, because I feel like that's what I've
Speaker 1: been reading in the article and they go back and
Speaker 1: forth and I'm not sure if they mean the same
Speaker 1: thing at all. Yeah, they really do. But it's like semantics, right,
Speaker 1: So when somebody says it's been decriminalized, like we're hearing
Speaker 1: that about marijuana recently, right, So that means what used
Speaker 1: to be deemed statutorially on the record books as a
Speaker 1: violation of law is no longer deemed such. Not want
Speaker 1: to be careful here what we talk about this new
Speaker 1: semi partial decriminalization of prostitution, because it's not statutory yet, y'all,
Speaker 1: so people still means that means, Okay, I feel like
Speaker 1: we're about to go to school house lock right all
Speaker 1: the story because I think about it. So let's use
Speaker 1: our context clues, right, So, statutory rape normally refers to
Speaker 1: when you've not been forcibly raped. It's it's a consensual
Speaker 1: sexual act, but it's deemed statutory because of the age
Speaker 1: on the book. So it's by the letter of the law,
Speaker 1: it's deemed illegal, not necessarily that all right, So let's
Speaker 1: go back to statutory prostitution on the books, it is
Speaker 1: still very much illegal to have any exchange of money
Speaker 1: or commerce for consensual or non consensual sex acts. So
Speaker 1: that's important, and I want everybody liking y'all. That's why
Speaker 1: a lot of these organizations and coalitions around truly fully decriminalize,
Speaker 1: decriminalizing sex work and prostitution and solicitation are still aggressive
Speaker 1: despite this new policy. See now we're talking about a
Speaker 1: policy that this particular district Attorney Suvance in Manhattan, he's
Speaker 1: just decided not to prosecute. See the difference. God you,
Speaker 1: So the law is still on the books but is
Speaker 1: still illegal, but you can't go to jail for it,
Speaker 1: only because he is just choosing. See what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Now we're talking about prosecutorial discretion. So that means once
Speaker 1: he's out of office, because Sivance is not running again.
Speaker 1: So this is like governor desientists who in Florida. He's
Speaker 1: a Florida governor is saying is that he won't prosecute
Speaker 1: people who aren't wearing masks. Correct, So now we're talking
Speaker 1: about the issue of So he is making that decision,
Speaker 1: he's making that decision, and once he leaves office, that
Speaker 1: prosecution is still at play and it's up to the
Speaker 1: next person that assumes the wrong. So it's not really,
Speaker 1: it is not right, it's not don't believe the hype. Basically, um,
Speaker 1: I think it's great. So you can still get arrested,
Speaker 1: You can still get arrested, you will not be arrested
Speaker 1: under Sivances administration. Now, I want to also give you
Speaker 1: some more good news though. So far, all of the
Speaker 1: other candidates, and there's a lot of them that are
Speaker 1: running to replace Sivan's in dash here in Manhattan, have
Speaker 1: all said they're gonna go further than Sivans. Not only
Speaker 1: are they not going to prosecute um the people selling
Speaker 1: uh sex work per se, they're also not gonna penalize
Speaker 1: or criminalize the purchasers of sex work. We were further
Speaker 1: them is John's in the business aint. We call them tricks,
Speaker 1: you know. So now says if you bi sex, you
Speaker 1: can be prosecuted even under Sivans. If you're selling sex,
Speaker 1: you cannot be. Oh you will not be I should
Speaker 1: say all these new d as are saying fun the bullshit.
Speaker 1: We want to fully decriminalized I decriminalized. That's hard word
Speaker 1: to say, sex work. And we will not prosecute buyers
Speaker 1: nor sellers of sex and they will support legislative episode.
Speaker 1: That's the key takeaway for all these ship sounds like
Speaker 1: a bunch of mumbo jumbo beach to the point we
Speaker 1: need to keep the pressure on legislatively when we need
Speaker 1: the state assemblies and eventually federal legislators. So that's congressmen
Speaker 1: and women in U. S. Senators to decriminalize sex works.
Speaker 1: That's the only way it will be consistent across the board.
Speaker 1: No one ever will ever be arrested again for unlicensed massage,
Speaker 1: selling sex, or buying sex. And that's the goal, cause
Speaker 1: sex work is work. And funk out of here on
Speaker 1: your of course, yeah dustn't and I had a full
Speaker 1: episode actually meant like because the women that some of
Speaker 1: the women on Real Housewives are very conservative, oh even
Speaker 1: about a real housewive, like like do your stance on
Speaker 1: that in saying sex work is real work, especially being
Speaker 1: on the show with entrepreneurs and wives and people who
Speaker 1: may look down on sex workers. Is the conversation that
Speaker 1: we can maybe see what you will see. Um, well,
Speaker 1: you know Lee is my cast made and shout out
Speaker 1: to leva tween and she that's like literally her tagline
Speaker 1: this year is um sex positive BS negative. So she's
Speaker 1: gotten a lot of shift from these women because she's
Speaker 1: very outspoken in her sexuality with yes, all those things
Speaker 1: so next episode or the week after, I think this
Speaker 1: episode for lou Anne and I get into a conflict,
Speaker 1: will call it around these notions of respectability, politics and
Speaker 1: vulgarity and what kind of women should you know? What
Speaker 1: terms like if you were too liberal for that arena,
Speaker 1: Well you'll see how the ship goes down. Because my
Speaker 1: thing is, it's so funny. Actually, I'm glad we were
Speaker 1: talking about this because I know I present a certain
Speaker 1: way and present a certain way. Looked like I want
Speaker 1: to propose to you right now with your little wife,
Speaker 1: because she said you were giving what we still a
Speaker 1: pup bitch. I'll takeing care of your girl. You might
Speaker 1: just taking care of me. You might be taking care
Speaker 1: of whatever. Y'all coordinated code she got on rare bottom
Speaker 1: when I'm talking about But I'm on your show, so
Speaker 1: it's all good. It's all good, sisters. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: this notion of women that look a certain way, have
Speaker 1: a certain level of education, have a certain level of
Speaker 1: societal standing, shouldn't say these things, or shouldn't um speak
Speaker 1: in these ways, or even shouldn't carry themselves in what
Speaker 1: I believe is like, for instance, a lot of people
Speaker 1: are mad at me because I've said that, I said
Speaker 1: the word bitch a lot, I heard a lot. I
Speaker 1: have a big potty mouth, um, and I'm hearing a
Speaker 1: lot of women black, white and other. You know, to
Speaker 1: be such an educated young lady, it's a shame you
Speaker 1: choose to use that language in you know, here's what
Speaker 1: I say to that comments and suffer yeah, and my
Speaker 1: comments and my d m s and you know it's
Speaker 1: like this, I respect your position. You need to get
Speaker 1: the funk out of here because I have earned the
Speaker 1: right to use whatever fucking vernacular I choose to. And
Speaker 1: I can hit you with statutory the fucking policy and
Speaker 1: Iraan what's going on with the nuclear deal and all
Speaker 1: of that, and I can cut you the funk out,
Speaker 1: so you know what I mean. So what we're not
Speaker 1: gonna do. It's like a ball and right, that's nuclear,
Speaker 1: But we're not we're not gonna shame women. And Leah
Speaker 1: and I really we don't funk with that. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna shame women around their choice of how they choose
Speaker 1: to carry themselves and make ignorant presumptions around their knowledge
Speaker 1: base based off of their their choice to lean in
Speaker 1: or out of their vulgarity sexuality or anything. There's so
Speaker 1: much uh sorry, go ahead. I had to get that off.
Speaker 1: There's welcome with them, like I've I've seen people talk
Speaker 1: about her and her daughter when they TikTok together and
Speaker 1: they have fun together, and um, we both have very
Speaker 1: open moms and we've had them on our show. And
Speaker 1: I really feel like that's why I don't get pregnant right,
Speaker 1: Like my mom was so open, but then we had
Speaker 1: shut up, shut up. I can't stand, y'all. I can't
Speaker 1: say I saw. I just saw the most baby early.
Speaker 1: So the meme I saw the other day, y'all, and
Speaker 1: normally I'm you know, I have a ridiculous dress sense
Speaker 1: of humor. Not a lot shakes to me. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh they really think I don't know who it was, y'all.
Speaker 1: It was somebody that was like, he's our baby daddy today.
Speaker 1: To bit you just did, I was like, you might
Speaker 1: have been at your page. I was like, I'm done.
Speaker 1: I felt bad. That is true, you just camp it.
Speaker 1: I'm done. I saw Mothers Day. Damn, some of y'all
Speaker 1: you can say mother Day today. Let me not be
Speaker 1: problematic because I was gonna say, we were so open
Speaker 1: to be able to talk to our moms with things
Speaker 1: get help. And I feel like not saying that whatever
Speaker 1: happened with Kiki, that's Leah's daughter's name. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I could see them having such a better bond when
Speaker 1: it comes to when she does get into the age
Speaker 1: where she starts dating and and things, and I think
Speaker 1: it's so important. I think it works that way. I
Speaker 1: think Gloria told me I was going straight to the hill.
Speaker 1: I mean, if there was any and it worked that
Speaker 1: way for me too, you know, so I think and listen.
Speaker 1: I also think kids are their own individuals. I think
Speaker 1: so much of it is just they're gonna do what
Speaker 1: they're gonna do. So I kind of think these extremes
Speaker 1: of parenting. I don't know. I'm not a parent yet.
Speaker 1: We'll see. My mother was very like, oh no, I
Speaker 1: can very much be like on the kids. Okay, you'll
Speaker 1: get to in the essence piece. Yeah, I want to.
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know this, this is
Speaker 1: it's already been a problematic episode. We get more problematic.
Speaker 1: Just stay tuned. Yeah, but like, yeah, so I don't
Speaker 1: think personally weasy. I don't know if there's a rhymar
Speaker 1: reason I think the whole being super open and come
Speaker 1: to me when you're ready to have sex, and we'll
Speaker 1: go get the birth control and then we'll, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll bring out the banana and teach you how to
Speaker 1: properly uh what you call? Did you men? I still
Speaker 1: don't know how to put a condomn on a dick
Speaker 1: reservoir tip the other day and he was like, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess I just because it was big and I
Speaker 1: know you need to leave the air too. And then
Speaker 1: I don't think I spell it, but I was trying
Speaker 1: to be like hot and put it on and then
Speaker 1: it just spread it. He was like, I will, I
Speaker 1: will say what you just said. I'm so glad you
Speaker 1: brought forth to it, because a little bit of that
Speaker 1: was how and why we started this show. We had
Speaker 1: met um for those of y'all who go back and
Speaker 1: maybe or aren't familiar with how we met. We met
Speaker 1: after not speaking for about five years. But we were
Speaker 1: both in different spaces of our life. I was in
Speaker 1: school working for Golden Sacks, and she, you know, was
Speaker 1: an account executive for a tech company. And when we met,
Speaker 1: she also had a sugar daddy and I was still
Speaker 1: getting flewed out. So we was like, damn, we're still smart,
Speaker 1: we read books, we have real good jobs, and we're
Speaker 1: still being horse. And we felt that it was important
Speaker 1: that a lot of women, you know, despite whether you're
Speaker 1: in school, getting masters and bachelors or any type of education,
Speaker 1: in work in corporate or or literally taking care of yourself,
Speaker 1: you can do so and be respected but still indulge
Speaker 1: in the sexuality and things that you joy, and you
Speaker 1: could still be who you are. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: change to like you know, Louianna you just mentioned is
Speaker 1: a lot older, and we know she did her whole
Speaker 1: countess thing. And I think that the way the world
Speaker 1: has changed, with being so modern and being so open,
Speaker 1: we will see that start to develop. Like I think,
Speaker 1: only differences as we're talking about it. I mean, as
Speaker 1: Leah says in the Tailor, which is accurate, they're all hoos.
Speaker 1: We're all like, I mean, you know, it's true. You know,
Speaker 1: everyone's having a sexual experience of some sort, whether it's
Speaker 1: with yourself, whether it's with multiple partners. What is the
Speaker 1: definition of Yeah, what are we even talking about? What
Speaker 1: the fund is a whore? What is a whole? Like?
Speaker 1: What you know that's such a loose We did a
Speaker 1: post legal type of prostitution. Okay, we did a post
Speaker 1: um God, I think I did this three years ago
Speaker 1: because someone like hurt my feelings with something and I
Speaker 1: was like, why did they call me that? And I
Speaker 1: was like, why is it hurting when someone else calls
Speaker 1: me that? But not when we're saying it from promiscus.
Speaker 1: We got it so a whole fight because I called
Speaker 1: a promiscuous she said, I am not. I said, but
Speaker 1: you just said you got nutted in and went to
Speaker 1: another niggata eat it all for something like that, Mandy,
Speaker 1: you did, But I loved them, so she thought, because
Speaker 1: she thought because there were feelings for these men that
Speaker 1: she was says there was a definition. We looked it up.
Speaker 1: It said something about just like with no care or
Speaker 1: no emotion or something. Oh I'm glad you guys brought
Speaker 1: this up. Now I'm thinking about it. You know, Auntie
Speaker 1: is a little older. He excuse me. We get into
Speaker 1: a serious debate on this season the Housewives and in
Speaker 1: this Hampton's arc about what friends with benefits means um
Speaker 1: and you guys are gonna see this, so it's like
Speaker 1: it's it's Sonya and Lu and I put my twoth
Speaker 1: in out there and I just I just don't believe
Speaker 1: in sex shaming other women. Like if this woman wants
Speaker 1: to have sex, um whoever, whatever, and that is her
Speaker 1: comfort now in your business, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like that is and and like for Sonya, as you'll
Speaker 1: see her friends would benefit. She'll have her friends with
Speaker 1: benefits for ten years. That's me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They're not in a relationship, but they have a sexual
Speaker 1: compatibility and it gives I love it. That's me that well.
Speaker 1: And I like I was still up until this current relationship,
Speaker 1: I was sucking men that I was working in high school.
Speaker 1: Like that's so crazy to me. She can't believe it.
Speaker 1: But it's niggas that like from ten years ago, like
Speaker 1: in mind you like I just turned thirty, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been with my man. You know, she she took
Speaker 1: that body away. I'm very much. I'm very much like
Speaker 1: I love it. But what is a hole? What? It
Speaker 1: had four hundred comments of people so diffused. Some people
Speaker 1: said prostitutes, the one it's selling sex someone to the
Speaker 1: girl who's lose, someone who's and it was like, we
Speaker 1: really don't know, and I think the reclaiming of that word,
Speaker 1: which is funny when she said you're all hoses, no
Speaker 1: one really knows, and a lot of there are a
Speaker 1: lot of hose that just don't present his hose. I mean,
Speaker 1: can we tell a true no man, but you present
Speaker 1: it such like girl, let me get on one knee
Speaker 1: right now. And I just never I wasn't having sex
Speaker 1: and there wasn't an aura of sexual prowess to me.
Speaker 1: Nobody would actually want to marry me. Do you get that, Mandy?
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to be in a sexless marriage. And when
Speaker 1: you start dating older man, I don't know how the
Speaker 1: oldest what's the oldest man you've ever dated? My man?
Speaker 1: Right now? How's the old Okay, I've dated. The oldest
Speaker 1: man I've ever dated is fifty eight. And then but
Speaker 1: I'm older than you. I'm almost ten years older than you.
Speaker 1: You gotta remember, Okay, So therefore I have a seven
Speaker 1: seen or girl. When you're talking about men who are
Speaker 1: in their later fifties who are mostly coming out of
Speaker 1: their first or second marriage, most of them are divorcing
Speaker 1: their first wives because they were having sex with them.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm they're traumatized from these sexless fucking marriages.
Speaker 1: It ain't sexless because I with mad married niggas. They
Speaker 1: were getting sex, but not from their wives. Oh yeah, fat,
Speaker 1: I'm it was getting sex. That's the number one thing
Speaker 1: I find that these older men are looking for. They
Speaker 1: are looking for a sexually active, fluid relationship. And look
Speaker 1: at the sugar daddy dynamics. Yeah, they want you to
Speaker 1: only be having sex with them, but they want a
Speaker 1: lot of sex, you know what. I feel like a
Speaker 1: lot of men want women because they also have checked boxes.
Speaker 1: Like I remember, and I talked about this on the show.
Speaker 1: I went out with a friend of mine and it
Speaker 1: was me and two of my friends, and he literally
Speaker 1: sat there and said, because of the shapes of our
Speaker 1: bodies and what we exude, he doesn't feel like he
Speaker 1: could bring me home. But the other girl, who mind you,
Speaker 1: my homegirl had all the sugar daddy is super sell
Speaker 1: in the box. She has a more uh, I guess
Speaker 1: persona that doesn't read sex or that. And so this
Speaker 1: has been a conversation as well where men want to
Speaker 1: take off and feel like they can bring their women
Speaker 1: around their family or the church or different things because
Speaker 1: it looks good. But yeah, yeah, they're not fulfilled. That's
Speaker 1: that's I think a lot of the men picked their
Speaker 1: first wives based on that ship. They're picking somebody that
Speaker 1: is aesthetically pleasing to everybody. But but and then the
Speaker 1: second time, and I'm glad we're laying the foundation more
Speaker 1: what we're about to get into. You know, I just
Speaker 1: actually had a thought of some of my friends sent
Speaker 1: to me when we're talking about what is a home
Speaker 1: shout out to Brittany. We were going out that night
Speaker 1: on FaceTime with some dude. I'm talking to just one
Speaker 1: of the and she was like, oh, you know, we're
Speaker 1: about to go be hosed And he was like, what
Speaker 1: does that mean? And she was like, it told me,
Speaker 1: we're really gonna be home. It just mean we don't
Speaker 1: have whole energy. We're gonna be talking and ship. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking, and then we don't go home. You'll
Speaker 1: be making out with your friends. Uh that my friends,
Speaker 1: my friends. I fu women that I want to like.
Speaker 1: I don't like, you know, I don't like doing that line. Why.
Speaker 1: I just want to know an out and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go be host tonight, but you're really not
Speaker 1: holding But see No, that is where you have your
Speaker 1: own definition. When I told my man I was out
Speaker 1: with my friend and then I spent the night, he
Speaker 1: knew we fucked and I didn't out, but he was like,
Speaker 1: does he consider that cheating? If you have sex mean
Speaker 1: you being a hole? Though? I mean I had set.
Speaker 1: When I say I'm going to go be a home,
Speaker 1: it means I'm going at the club and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be on some bird ship. You're gonna look at my stories,
Speaker 1: gonna be like that's what it looks like. That's when
Speaker 1: I say I'm gonna be a whole, like I'm out
Speaker 1: bro see. I think it's just a difference in age
Speaker 1: because I don't go back there because I like in
Speaker 1: school in law school, Like there are people that you know,
Speaker 1: see me now and see my career and they're like, wow,
Speaker 1: I can't we give the same epony. And I've always
Speaker 1: been the same way. It's just a bit just tired.
Speaker 1: You know, I was doing all that what you're talking about, dad,
Speaker 1: So I'll come and talk to me all that fifty
Speaker 1: years ago, you know. Seriously, when I was twenty, when
Speaker 1: I you know, I just barely missed the window for
Speaker 1: freakneck o you're kind not made it through college if
Speaker 1: you really took it, think about it. No, I had
Speaker 1: a good ass time in college. If you really would
Speaker 1: engage in the freakneck who knows that actual freakneck in Inlands?
Speaker 1: Fair enough? But I had enough great hall parties and
Speaker 1: that you had New York at its prime. I'm knowing
Speaker 1: what I wasn't in. You know I was in the South,
Speaker 1: are you? Yeah? Um Chapel Hill, excuse me, your tar
Speaker 1: Heel Tario good duke, look you, but you didn't really
Speaker 1: go there though? Nobody don't you do it? Actually waits
Speaker 1: a duke? It's okay, Yeah, go ahead and buy that
Speaker 1: stank and as duke t shirt at the Walmart and
Speaker 1: keep it cute. Man. Actually, wait a second. Every single
Speaker 1: I didn't I don't think I was gonna get mad
Speaker 1: in here. I did get but listen, every time I
Speaker 1: have a layover in the Charlotte Airport, that's where I
Speaker 1: get my duke at tired. Okay, And just anybody that's
Speaker 1: been the Duke's sections this fucking day, we're not okay.
Speaker 1: And the tar Heel ship is like my goods just said,
Speaker 1: um not Walmart, the airport, I think it was a
Speaker 1: step up airport, go to our horde where we get
Speaker 1: into our horrible decisions. So the horrid derb. I want
Speaker 1: to ask both of y'all. Um, I wanted to give
Speaker 1: tips today on how to be intimate with your partners
Speaker 1: without penetration. I know there's a lot of women who
Speaker 1: we talked about sex almost being a duty, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit more in terms of marriages.
Speaker 1: But what act physically or emotionally have you done with
Speaker 1: your partner that is still intimate but does not include penetration.
Speaker 1: I want to start, or you can start, wait because
Speaker 1: you got one. Go ahead, Evany, let's start with you sometimes.
Speaker 1: But it came to me, Um, I guess, uh, synchronized masturbation. Oh,
Speaker 1: here we go. Look, it was new for me in
Speaker 1: my last relationship, and I thought it was very cool
Speaker 1: when you guys retired or no, it was honestly was
Speaker 1: when we wanted to be like extra nasty. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: for sure, it is. It's like yeah, yeah, So it's
Speaker 1: like I wanted to be a porn star. Let out
Speaker 1: my porn star energy when you believe it there where
Speaker 1: y'all watching, just see it, and I'm like let's see,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get market right right, I'll let you
Speaker 1: go talk to me. That's the name of the restaurant, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I love the name home. That's where we're going. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did want to say something that I've recently been doing.
Speaker 1: What be going to my how you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So something that me and my partner do and I
Speaker 1: think that you know. So, I've been recently taking bar.
Speaker 1: So I'm doing bar. Oh my god, it's like yoga
Speaker 1: but with like a ballet ship. Oh a r R
Speaker 1: got it, bitch, my body hurt, baby. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've just been like your flexibility. No, So I'm working
Speaker 1: on my flexibility. So I'm doing bar and then I
Speaker 1: do cardio as well. And something that I really appreciate
Speaker 1: that he does is that doesn't include penetration. He lays
Speaker 1: me on top of him and he literally stretches my
Speaker 1: whole body so I'll be on top of him, and
Speaker 1: he pulls my legs all the way back and stretches that.
Speaker 1: Then he'll take my arms and pull them all the
Speaker 1: way back, and so as I'm on top of him.
Speaker 1: After workout thing, this is in the morning after sex.
Speaker 1: This is also just when we're just laying down and
Speaker 1: he's like, let me just stretch you. And it's something
Speaker 1: that is just like I feel so good, Like I
Speaker 1: literally moan while he does. But it's like he knows
Speaker 1: I've been working out, and he even was like, let
Speaker 1: me come down to your gym and make sure you're
Speaker 1: doing the right ship because I don't need you losing
Speaker 1: certain things that I like this there, but he knows
Speaker 1: I've been working out, and I just you know, and
Speaker 1: he'll just stretch me, and so I lay on top
Speaker 1: of him and he just, you know, he's athletic, so
Speaker 1: I'm sure he knows these little athletes. Um a little
Speaker 1: over a year now and it's been great, but he
Speaker 1: loves that I'm getting now back into just being more
Speaker 1: active and he just stretches me, and I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I've never had a person she never had
Speaker 1: a trainer is a training old. I used to fun
Speaker 1: models and trainers, and I never had someone like this
Speaker 1: is training one on one but but but that but
Speaker 1: in a way where we're not in the gym, we're
Speaker 1: not on the phiore, and it's just like it could
Speaker 1: definitely be sexy too. Let me tell you when I
Speaker 1: get stretched out, shout out to my trainer Gino, who
Speaker 1: really has a brother ly vibe to me. We haveing
Speaker 1: friends for a long time, but every time he stressed me,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh my goodness, he's just beauty turned off.
Speaker 1: And also, stretching is so sexual. By the way, anyone
Speaker 1: who ever uses services like this is a totally professional person. Um.
Speaker 1: But I think I, in my head thinks stretching is
Speaker 1: so sexual. I think massages are sexual. The white on
Speaker 1: the right, the way the way I be sage of
Speaker 1: my nigga, you be like, okay, So I go lower
Speaker 1: back and then I go like hips. And then when
Speaker 1: I get them cheeks and I started spreading them, I
Speaker 1: start my thumb going in. I'm just saying I loves
Speaker 1: all right, welcome now, guys, to the horrible decision here.
Speaker 1: I did want to talk about clearly again, we've talked
Speaker 1: about you looking like a wife. You've been engaged, you've
Speaker 1: been married. I wanted to talk about the rules of
Speaker 1: or maybe the duties of a housewife and compare it
Speaker 1: to the modern day woman, um. But also what we
Speaker 1: expect um and something that I did want to bring up.
Speaker 1: I guess before we start there. Um, there is a
Speaker 1: negative connotation currently with housewife. Um, you are a lawyer,
Speaker 1: you have all of these brands and platforms. Now you
Speaker 1: would be considered a modern day woman, which Kevin Samuels
Speaker 1: actually says is our downfall a lot is that the
Speaker 1: modern day woman is not prepared to be a wife
Speaker 1: because we're so overly independent. How is Kevin, I'm really interesting, right,
Speaker 1: It's an interesting catalyst for a deeper, more important conversation.
Speaker 1: I'm very seriously funny. So this is. But I don't
Speaker 1: listen to a ton of Kevin because I do think
Speaker 1: sometimes he'd be right about some of these women expectations,
Speaker 1: Like I get it, But I don't think that anybody,
Speaker 1: especially that looks the way that he does, can get
Speaker 1: on anyone's Internet and tell women how they asked him.
Speaker 1: But way way. It's the same way we say he's
Speaker 1: knowing it. Now it's a spectacle, and now he's able
Speaker 1: to make money from demeaning black It's the same way
Speaker 1: we said, no one in this room listens to uh
Speaker 1: Steve Harvey, but people do just to mean black men
Speaker 1: too when they called on like he had this one
Speaker 1: dude under here. It doesn't matter but he'll do this.
Speaker 1: I do think he's equal opportunity. Like, dude, you're like
Speaker 1: five six, you're overweight dollars a year, and you talk
Speaker 1: about you want to tend bro where you know. I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you as as a woman, who is
Speaker 1: I would consider despite you being untie aged, like you said,
Speaker 1: you are a modern day woman. You own businesses and
Speaker 1: you're growing. There's no there's no ceiling to what you
Speaker 1: can do either. However, you do still have a lot
Speaker 1: of powerful, wealthy men, which is what I think a
Speaker 1: lot of us seek, who want the housewife, who don't
Speaker 1: want you to do anything. So I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about that a little bit before we get into as well,
Speaker 1: you're positioning in men's lives. Yes, um, but yeah, talk
Speaker 1: to us about about that. I think it's a real
Speaker 1: conflict of interest. It's the best way to describe it,
Speaker 1: because you're right, I think a lot of I thought,
Speaker 1: and I think I still think, but I'm open to
Speaker 1: being corrected on this. That the answer because before my
Speaker 1: ex fiance, all the men outdated I was the breadwinner
Speaker 1: like significantly so and that was fine because you know whatever,
Speaker 1: like we said, sugar mom, Okay, I was gonna be
Speaker 1: stuck about, but like too making two or three times
Speaker 1: what they made, and that that was fine. Um just
Speaker 1: because my well, my gord, when you make a lot
Speaker 1: of money and you're in a certain bracket though, like
Speaker 1: it's hard working, you know, bullshit jobs. It's just they
Speaker 1: were in different fields. You know, I was at a firm.
Speaker 1: I was still remember doctors are only making like once.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they look at you. Can you not say one
Speaker 1: fifty ain't ship. I'm just people listening to doctor. That's
Speaker 1: not ship. It's not not ship when you have three
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars worth that school. I'm sorry. I never
Speaker 1: when I was younger and millions did too. I'm in
Speaker 1: shock at what doctor's name. My friends, my friends doctor
Speaker 1: will make millions. But well good, It's just like lawyers,
Speaker 1: I know, dollar, your lawyers million dollar or your lawyers.
Speaker 1: So insane with doctors, you're right, sist. It's like some
Speaker 1: do make and some make three million because they're stay agents.
Speaker 1: Their cardio basket and this, and man, I'm not shooting
Speaker 1: on someone making fifty. It is really that that pay
Speaker 1: is way too low for that job, and that pay
Speaker 1: is could we just be honest that is a hard
Speaker 1: way to live in New York City if you're accustomed
Speaker 1: to a certain lifestyle. And I'm just gonna say that
Speaker 1: that's a fact. So whatever. Um. Back to the men
Speaker 1: with money, Yes, a lot of them say that they
Speaker 1: want a Clare Huxtable type. They want a Michelle Obama.
Speaker 1: They want somebody that's going out here getting it like
Speaker 1: they're getting it. But they do not really want That
Speaker 1: has been my experience, because they do expect you to
Speaker 1: get in where you fit in to a life that
Speaker 1: they have already curated. Um from them deciding where y'all
Speaker 1: are gonna live, where you're gonna go to vacation, where,
Speaker 1: how the builds are just whatever, um. And I want
Speaker 1: to be in control. They do want to be in control,
Speaker 1: but they don't And they say they want a partner.
Speaker 1: And I think you can control some women willingly. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's a bad thing. I want to be
Speaker 1: very clearly. There are plenty of women that like it
Speaker 1: a lot. Some women like it because they don't have
Speaker 1: another way to live that lifestyle. Let's just tell the truth.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm too busy to make decisions.
Speaker 1: That's a different thing, though. What you're talking about is correct.
Speaker 1: You're talking about an optionality portion. I'm talking about women
Speaker 1: that are dependent on that man's ability to curate a
Speaker 1: lifestyle they would never otherwise even have access. And I
Speaker 1: think that those men that want that should be with
Speaker 1: those kind of women. Lee and I have actually been
Speaker 1: talking about this. She's gonna be mad, But Lee and
Speaker 1: I've been talk about this recently. Some of these men
Speaker 1: that we're being set up with through these you know,
Speaker 1: wealthy social life friends of ours. We go out with
Speaker 1: these men, and these men are confused about their market value.
Speaker 1: These are men that make a little bit of change.
Speaker 1: They might have a little house in Greenwich, they might
Speaker 1: drive a four door autie and they out here thinking
Speaker 1: they ball it out of control. And they really think
Speaker 1: that women like us who make our own significant means
Speaker 1: are gonna be are gonna be like your dad, I
Speaker 1: don't give up, Like what what what life was like?
Speaker 1: Maybe I really think it must be like I don't
Speaker 1: know if I've seen this many women entrepreneurs five ten
Speaker 1: years ago. I've already talked about the amount of money
Speaker 1: I make with some people and they're like no, really yeah,
Speaker 1: and they won't believe it or I was on a
Speaker 1: date drink thing kind of with this guy who was
Speaker 1: saying something about me needing to have um a partner, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know when you guys get a summer home. I said, honey,
Speaker 1: I've been looking at property in Miami already, right, how
Speaker 1: can have one alone? That you were talking about getting
Speaker 1: cribin in Atlanta? Yeah? Why wouldn't we be able to do?
Speaker 1: They're very confused because there was a general not too
Speaker 1: long ago, let's be clear, where women of all races,
Speaker 1: but particularly women of color, would never have had the
Speaker 1: financial access that we enjoy because we've worked for it,
Speaker 1: to be clear. But they're not accustomed to it. So
Speaker 1: they really are out here. Most of them come out
Speaker 1: of a first or second marriage, and they're thinking that
Speaker 1: they got monopoly money to spend, and they think that
Speaker 1: they're supposed to get a batty with a great job,
Speaker 1: and they were supposed to be oh so excited about
Speaker 1: their mediocre ass like to it's the idea of being
Speaker 1: excited about money, cars, homes that essentially I have access to.
Speaker 1: So you think that I'm supposed to fall over you
Speaker 1: because these are the things you have, but they're not
Speaker 1: things that are mine. That you're giving to me, and
Speaker 1: so the times it used to be the goal though man, yeah,
Speaker 1: and again it's seen everything is different now. A generation
Speaker 1: ago that that would be yours. That's what women were
Speaker 1: marrying for. They were marrying to say, I can't afford
Speaker 1: a summer home by myself ever, but if I marry
Speaker 1: this man, you can't. Even Let's build on the control
Speaker 1: part for a moment. If you have an Essence article
Speaker 1: that came out, they could someone say, could make you
Speaker 1: look controlling. Oh yes, people are saying heine conversation and
Speaker 1: so so, guys, there has been For those of you
Speaker 1: who are not hip on what's happening with Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of New York. Um, though Ebony is on there, she
Speaker 1: did call off her engagement, so she is not currently
Speaker 1: tied to anyone, which is why she said she's being
Speaker 1: set up. Um. But Essence wrote an article and says
Speaker 1: that the Real Housewives of New York newby understands that
Speaker 1: kids come first. Um. However, she says that she needed
Speaker 1: to be first. So the article pretty much paints the
Speaker 1: picture that you called off your engagement because this man
Speaker 1: chose his kids over you. Now, there is a lot
Speaker 1: of dialogue with that, especially when you're dating older men. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're coming into oftentimes them having a previous family, you
Speaker 1: possibly having to address the ex wife or ex baby mom,
Speaker 1: or you know, the mother period. Can you go into
Speaker 1: that a little bit, because that is a little problematic
Speaker 1: A little bit. I totally respected, I respect everybody's opinion
Speaker 1: that the kids should come first, and I actually divinely
Speaker 1: disagree with that, and I know that I have an
Speaker 1: unpopular minority of cases. I believe in the divine order.
Speaker 1: I believe it's God spouse kids. I don't have a
Speaker 1: funk whose kids they are. I don't care if there
Speaker 1: are kids we brought into the world together. I don't
Speaker 1: care if they're the kids you have with your ex wife,
Speaker 1: your baby mama, or three moments ago. I truly believe
Speaker 1: that is a fundamental problem in American society today. I
Speaker 1: think all these funking I feel like these kids. I
Speaker 1: feel like all these kids are out here being treated,
Speaker 1: many of them, as if they are the center of
Speaker 1: the universe, as if their their desires and their expectations
Speaker 1: of life and family are the primary priority. And I
Speaker 1: think it's really fucking these kids up. I think there's
Speaker 1: a place for children in society, and I think it
Speaker 1: is really to be at the guidance and foundational um
Speaker 1: subordination of the adults in the family. I think there's
Speaker 1: kids and there's adults. And I believe that any man
Speaker 1: that is to be my husband has to make me
Speaker 1: his primary partner and priority and we together, and don't
Speaker 1: pick me if you don't trust my judgment to build
Speaker 1: a beautiful, safe and loving family for you and your children.
Speaker 1: If you don't believe in my ability to do that,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be your wife anyway, because you're saying you
Speaker 1: would have accepted those kids into your home. And then
Speaker 1: in that regard, let's talk about these kids. Okay. First
Speaker 1: of all, these kids were one team eighteen and thirteen,
Speaker 1: so two of them were young adults. Okay, so that's
Speaker 1: thirteen is fine, But two of them were twenty and eighteen.
Speaker 1: So where I come from, I've been out of the
Speaker 1: house at sixteen. I was out of the house at eighteen.
Speaker 1: I was out of house at sixteen. I was at
Speaker 1: the Great University of North Carolinia Chapel Hill, Mandy at sixteen. Okay,
Speaker 1: again again shout out to the tar Hills um we're
Speaker 1: gonna bleep that out. Um, you know. So again, I
Speaker 1: know that this is not customary my feelings about it,
Speaker 1: and I just believe that the way I'm able to
Speaker 1: navigate space as an adult, as an entrepreneur, as a
Speaker 1: strong businesswoman, it's a strong woman confidence in my blackness
Speaker 1: and femininity at the same damn time. It is because
Speaker 1: I was raised by a strong adult. And I just
Speaker 1: I just think a lot of these parents out here
Speaker 1: are fucking punks, I really do. And I think they
Speaker 1: let these kids run over them. The kids are running
Speaker 1: the households, and the parents, husband's wives, mothers, and fathers
Speaker 1: are really at the They're deferring to children's leadership within
Speaker 1: the home, and I think it's a problem. Was he
Speaker 1: quarantined with their mother as well? No, they're rich. So
Speaker 1: these people all have different houses. Okay, So their mother
Speaker 1: is married, been married for ten years to a wonderful man.
Speaker 1: So they have a huge house in New Jersey. My
Speaker 1: ex fiance has another huge house in New Jersey, in
Speaker 1: addition to the house that we shared together in Tribeca.
Speaker 1: A lot of houses he chose to to quarantine in Tribeca,
Speaker 1: excuse me. In one of the New Jersey, New Jersey
Speaker 1: houses without man And when you say quarantine, this isn't
Speaker 1: ten days, this is this is the duration this was.
Speaker 1: He left. He came in the room with a backpack
Speaker 1: on and said, I'm going to Jersey because Cuomo and
Speaker 1: them saying it's gonna be a lockdown and I won't
Speaker 1: be able because that's what we had done, and it
Speaker 1: had worked. Back and forth, of course, back and forth.
Speaker 1: Of course, I would never stand in the way of
Speaker 1: a man. That's why I don't like the way those
Speaker 1: articles were written, implying that I would ever ever put
Speaker 1: myself in front of a man and his children. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I would never have the audacity to do that. I
Speaker 1: will tap out before I do that. So he had
Speaker 1: successfully up until that point, managed being with his kids
Speaker 1: every Wednesday night, being with his kids pretty much every
Speaker 1: weekend because he's just a very active father. Not every
Speaker 1: other he was every weekend, and it was never a problem. Um.
Speaker 1: But when the quarantine hit, he went in March and
Speaker 1: I didn't really see him back in the city until August. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, excuse me, wait, wait not the adjustment of
Speaker 1: the seat. Yes, now, let's get into it. Were you
Speaker 1: not invited? I was invited. Did he want you to stay?
Speaker 1: He just saying come by, or did he not say, hey,
Speaker 1: this is okay. Let me just tell no, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: March August. He wanted me to come and stay permanently
Speaker 1: with them in jun Jersey during the warrantine and in
Speaker 1: the perfect world Ladies who wouldn't want to share at
Speaker 1: that time with their soon to be husband. We were
Speaker 1: actually planning a wedding and they're soon to be step kids.
Speaker 1: Goes back to what I was just talking about. Leadership.
Speaker 1: My ex fiance, wonderful man. Still love him to this day,
Speaker 1: not in love with him, but love him as a
Speaker 1: goodass man. We had a fundamental different value system as
Speaker 1: it relates to children's positioning in the home to me,
Speaker 1: his oldest children, not the thirteen year old. He was
Speaker 1: never the problem, sweet little boy. The oldest children ran
Speaker 1: the household, and I it was not. He did not curate,
Speaker 1: my ex fiance, did not curate a safe, comfortable environment
Speaker 1: in that home to where I was comfortable as a
Speaker 1: grown ass woman who still had to work. I was
Speaker 1: still doing. They did the culture launching, holding court all
Speaker 1: this ship for house. I couldn't live there, and because
Speaker 1: my ex fiance love him to death, he didn't curate
Speaker 1: an environment where I could be there with them. I
Speaker 1: had to select myself. And I don't have any other family.
Speaker 1: I don't have no cousins. I don't have like, I
Speaker 1: don't have that. I don't have any siblings. My mom
Speaker 1: was in New Orleans. I had to be in New
Speaker 1: York for work, so I was by myself. I got COVID.
Speaker 1: I was sick for six eight weeks moderately, so no, no,
Speaker 1: I had symptoms. I was sucked up for like six
Speaker 1: to eight weeks by yourself, by myself. Oh yeah, by myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. He didn't send no soup, he didn't send
Speaker 1: no nurse, he didn't send anything. Because I get it.
Speaker 1: He was some and this nigga came over and bathed me. Yea.
Speaker 1: So for those reasons, I am not trying to make
Speaker 1: him look like a bad person. He's not. He just
Speaker 1: is a fundamentally different belief system. He believes that his
Speaker 1: children are his family, and he never saw me as family,
Speaker 1: and that's the deeper issue. So I'm not going to
Speaker 1: enter a whole fucking marriage with a spouse that doesn't
Speaker 1: identify me as family. I think were these questions, these
Speaker 1: conversations that were had early, like as far as values,
Speaker 1: do you feel like women should ask these questions prior?
Speaker 1: Like how early should these conversations we had them. I'm
Speaker 1: really glad we're talking about this um and I hope
Speaker 1: people can learn from it because I learned a lot.
Speaker 1: So this is where he's definitely not a bad guy.
Speaker 1: He wasn't looking for a wife. Let me give him
Speaker 1: that credit. He did not his he knew his kids
Speaker 1: were still growing up because when I met him as
Speaker 1: kids where I think like sixteen, fourteen and nine, right,
Speaker 1: So he wasn't looking for a wife. He wasn't looking
Speaker 1: to make anyone other than his children his priority. So
Speaker 1: he's not in the wrong here. I want to be
Speaker 1: very clear about that. At the time, I was on
Speaker 1: some Oprah ship. As I said in the first episode
Speaker 1: of RONDI, I wasn't looking for her husband. Every man
Speaker 1: I've ever met before him slowed me the funk down,
Speaker 1: costing ship liabilities in every fucking way. So I wasn't
Speaker 1: looking for a husband or wanting children either. I grew up, deeply,
Speaker 1: deeply loved this man. Y'all and seeing him be the
Speaker 1: father that he is to his kids made me aspire
Speaker 1: to that relationship, and I was like, damn, this is
Speaker 1: some special love, this is some beautiful ship. Maybe I
Speaker 1: do want this. So what happened is short, Mandy, what
Speaker 1: we want to change? What I want to change. I
Speaker 1: decided in the course of the four year relationship, I
Speaker 1: do want to be a wife. My opinion that you changed.
Speaker 1: When I read the article, I was like, you must
Speaker 1: have misconstrued her words. Then when you started speaking, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, she really means this bullshit? Really then,
Speaker 1: Chel the end, it made me realize, oh, because you're right,
Speaker 1: absolutely right. As as women, we should put our work
Speaker 1: in our career first. Um with oh, Bay who I date.
Speaker 1: He's a VP at a huge financial entity. He's a
Speaker 1: great black man, and now he's completely offloaded at that
Speaker 1: tier to work wherever he wants. So it's like, we're
Speaker 1: still living in Mexico. Let's live in Mexico, let's do
Speaker 1: Mexico City, let's keep doing to loom. We'll get a
Speaker 1: crib here. And I'm like, I'm like, well, now, I
Speaker 1: mean I have a job offer that's got me back
Speaker 1: and forth to l a salaried again. I've got a
Speaker 1: studio here, just got the second one, like I'm not leaving,
Speaker 1: thank you, and I'm third. Yeah, you know you're in
Speaker 1: your forties. You're feeling like you're setting this Like if
Speaker 1: I move with all this ship running, I hold myself back.
Speaker 1: We'll see. So let's put a pin in that. Because
Speaker 1: I had a career opportunity come to me maybe year
Speaker 1: two of our relationship, and this is where I started
Speaker 1: to push for marriage. I need to know, motherfucker, are
Speaker 1: you my family? Because before I pass up on this
Speaker 1: l a big time seven figure job, are you my family?
Speaker 1: Because if you're my family, this is why I'm old fashioned.
Speaker 1: Funk that job. If you're my family, fuck that job.
Speaker 1: You're my priority. This is why being number one mutually
Speaker 1: is important. Okay, and this is why I hold two
Speaker 1: to this standard. And nobody's gonna get me office. So
Speaker 1: you can call me a selfish bitch, a raggedy bitch, uh,
Speaker 1: not understanding bitch, whatever, I'll be all of that, but
Speaker 1: we have to be family to each other, and we
Speaker 1: have to be each other's priority. Because if you're not
Speaker 1: willing to make me your family and your priority, now
Speaker 1: I have to take that job because I'm not your
Speaker 1: number one? How the funk you look like? Am I? You?
Speaker 1: You are a modern day woman and that's I think
Speaker 1: what a lot of women listening to this. We all
Speaker 1: want to be Evan. We do. We y'all talking just
Speaker 1: a minute. I'm just kidd was I was like this crazy? No,
Speaker 1: I don't. Kids, really hope that people has to read
Speaker 1: the name of this episode. By the way, kids, I
Speaker 1: really hope you Williams ever made to people are able
Speaker 1: to get to this point in the conversation because we
Speaker 1: we we get a lot of comments where they're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I wasn't even able to finish because
Speaker 1: your guests said that crazy shit, and like even Weezy said,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this bit really gonna live down
Speaker 1: this hill on the right. But I don't think that
Speaker 1: was the most We to never let a guests talk
Speaker 1: without interrupting, like you keep going right, explain you're saying
Speaker 1: that this is gonna go somewhere. That was great. Also,
Speaker 1: I will say he got me really wanted to bench
Speaker 1: holding court. What is the holding court about? Because you've
Speaker 1: got Dustin He's so funny, so talented and funny ever
Speaker 1: is in the marketplace for some vagina. I just want
Speaker 1: to know I'm first in line and could a deal.
Speaker 1: I could have sided deal, you could have thought deal.
Speaker 1: You must not know about our deals. So one might
Speaker 1: be that's the probably facts. Presidents, presidents, president, we should
Speaker 1: ask us in what is his type if he had to.
Speaker 1: I don't know that, Dustine, I've never asked him. I
Speaker 1: don't know that he's gold star. I don't know that
Speaker 1: he's never had a woman sexual. He hasn't look at
Speaker 1: us we're talking about let me not talk about somebody sexually.
Speaker 1: All the niggas we have the same type of niggas. Okay, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask him after this podcast, a star, do
Speaker 1: you have a girl? Do? I? Do you look too? Everybody?
Speaker 1: I still want to suk us it more well, I
Speaker 1: will tell you. I actually made a comment about that once,
Speaker 1: and I read some reviews about how they were like,
Speaker 1: how uncomfortable do you think it is for a gay
Speaker 1: man to constantly hear when it's so hard to live
Speaker 1: in his world that you guys want to him? And
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, sorry, is it hard for him?
Speaker 1: It's probably annoying. It's probably annoying. I think it's annoying here.
Speaker 1: It's probably annoying, so I think. But I think also
Speaker 1: I've been in the can you imagine me as so sexy?
Speaker 1: I was about to say, but he demands like I've
Speaker 1: walked in rooms and me and Carlo we did like
Speaker 1: we went to a club with dust at one time
Speaker 1: and we just looked. It was like, oh, dust we
Speaker 1: know you ain't ship the way the ment like people
Speaker 1: just I'm not going nowhere with Dustins a very condu
Speaker 1: and he radiates a very welcoming energy energy and I
Speaker 1: think that that is really the most exciting thing about
Speaker 1: that person totally, when you meet people that just welcome
Speaker 1: you and anything. I've seen Dustin a few times this
Speaker 1: summer during quarantine, and um, I've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: people that I recognize in the industry, and Dustin is
Speaker 1: one of the only ones that will always speak to me,
Speaker 1: hug me, be kind to me, and if a fan
Speaker 1: comes up to him, be just as war. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with being on Black Effect, was that something curated through
Speaker 1: Black Effect or did you have a relationship with Dustin.
Speaker 1: I didn't know Dustin from a can of paint. What
Speaker 1: happened was I was already curating Holding Court pre Black
Speaker 1: Effect and Charlemagne. You know, we've been in talks for years,
Speaker 1: but whatever, I was like, call me when the ship
Speaker 1: is real by Charlemagne. Um, to his credit, he did.
Speaker 1: Did you get the fox? Yeah, all the calls, the
Speaker 1: call shout out to Charlemagne, Charle Charlemagne, and he did,
Speaker 1: to his credit. And so by that point I was
Speaker 1: already going to launch independent and come out of pocket,
Speaker 1: you know the vibes. Um. But but anyways, it made sense.
Speaker 1: So I was already looking for a co host wheezy
Speaker 1: before the Black Effect deal materialized. And my shout out
Speaker 1: to my dear friendness Sword Natalie Robinson, who was in
Speaker 1: the first episode of Real Housewives of New York. She's like,
Speaker 1: my age is a little bit older, but she's got
Speaker 1: she's with the ships, like she keeps her finger on
Speaker 1: the pulse. You know, I'm on my auntie status. She's like, girl,
Speaker 1: did you see this TikTok and my cal no beach?
Speaker 1: I got no TikTok's just like so I saw called her.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm looking for I said, I want
Speaker 1: extremely smart, extremely funny, because you know, I can excuse
Speaker 1: serious Uh, I want younger than me, which is hilarious
Speaker 1: because Dustin's not. I was like, and I don't care
Speaker 1: about sexuality. Just make him look good, though, because at
Speaker 1: something I want to take this show on the road
Speaker 1: and I make no apologies. At some point I want
Speaker 1: to do concert. Yeah, I need an attractive man. I
Speaker 1: don't want no ugly fucking man. And um she Dustin
Speaker 1: Ross was the first name she sent me. She sent
Speaker 1: me like fifteen, and I clicked on Dustin's I g
Speaker 1: and I called him immediately and I never talked to
Speaker 1: anybody else's shout out. We dropped Wednesdays, We dropped every
Speaker 1: Wednesday everything. Yeah, but you don't need to come in.
Speaker 1: We need video. We're gonna go to show some space.
Speaker 1: Look good, do look good. It might be something people
Speaker 1: watch on you Just Jack to take it in on
Speaker 1: just the jack off? I mean, is that is that
Speaker 1: the threshold? This episode? Jack on a funny when I
Speaker 1: started to get a lot, man Gan, where does my
Speaker 1: modesty come in? Right? One thing? Is your show come
Speaker 1: on on TV? Okay? Real Housewives of New York comes
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Speaker 1: our sister eany I know we were talking about not
Speaker 1: having other podcasters on for a while the way, but yeah, no,
Speaker 1: and we didn't. But I was like, no, but every
Speaker 1: gonna come on and then no other we really we know.
Speaker 1: I love y'all, thank you. I'm really really glad I
Speaker 1: came on. I'm glad you guys gave me the space
Speaker 1: to talk about my truth because people bad as sucked
Speaker 1: in the streets. But the way you expect, I'm glad
Speaker 1: that you and that's for me. I'm not saying no,
Speaker 1: the woman or man has to apply that standard. I
Speaker 1: learned an important lesson and that's why with my current matchmaker,
Speaker 1: I don't want nobody with no kids that's not grown
Speaker 1: because the matchmaker. We gotta do Part two. Goddamn it,
Speaker 1: do the matchmaker? Could the betchmaker come on with you?
Speaker 1: We gotta do that, y'all actually know the matchmaker probably
Speaker 1: like y'all know that, like there's you know, levels, but
Speaker 1: like the matchmaker, matchmaker, y'all know, we gotta We'll come back.
Speaker 1: Dot Com enjoyed the five minutes to tune it into
Speaker 1: another episode of Horrible Decisions. Then Shroby, what the fund
Speaker 1: is it? Proby, it's like an Hourly Hotel of Miami.
Speaker 1: But it's like a sex hotel. There's like mirrors on
Speaker 1: the ceiling, there's in the room. It's so fucking gross,
Speaker 1: but it gets the job done. How much was it?
Speaker 1: That's what tears? Like. The nicest room is like seventy. No, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not even listening that bro. Like the nicest is
Speaker 1: like eighty, y'all would say, for like four hours or
Speaker 1: some ship like that. He picked me up from my
Speaker 1: house and we got stop. So we met at wingstop
Speaker 1: somewhere and then such a nigga as story. We met
Speaker 1: in a wing stole. Now we started fucking. Y'all is
Speaker 1: from Florida for real? Okay, So hold on, So y'all
Speaker 1: meet and go to a choby. That's what's called right,
Speaker 1: It's actually it's on Oka Chobe. The hotel is called
Speaker 1: Executive Hotel or like Executive Palace or whatever. It's just amy.
Speaker 1: We call it the Chobe because it's on I'm definitely
Speaker 1: posting Executive Palace. So you guys meet there. This is
Speaker 1: a year ago, and yeah, we're either of you doing
Speaker 1: only fans type content. No, we didn't start doing well
Speaker 1: till like nine months. So once you tell and love. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: so that's like that because we were like we were like,
Speaker 1: knock out everything I want to do now, you know,
Speaker 1: just get it out the way before we catch feelings
Speaker 1: and then like figure it out later. But then the
Speaker 1: exact opposite happened. It was like seven months of us
Speaker 1: talking and getting to know each other and then once
Speaker 1: we like ca realized all right, you're not going nowhere.
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere, Like it's like, actually get into
Speaker 1: the technic. What about So my first time like seeing
Speaker 1: Ali again, I was on Twitter and this girl accidentally
Speaker 1: posted a picture of her boyfriend's dick. Did y'all have
Speaker 1: only fans before her or after that? I think he
Speaker 1: had his only fans and he had like a couple
Speaker 1: of dick picks up. Um. So it wasn't until after
Speaker 1: taking He's like, all right, well do you want to
Speaker 1: do this? And I'm like, yeah, so you started doing
Speaker 1: an only fans. Tell me what happens when the first
Speaker 1: person that y'all know, whether it's like family or a friend,
Speaker 1: is like, what the fund is wrong with you? It
Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet. It was not a surprise for a
Speaker 1: lot of my friends. But it's pretty on brain for
Speaker 1: my close friends, like from people that I know from
Speaker 1: high school that I'm actually really close with their right,
Speaker 1: Like we saw you look like you. We couldn't expect
Speaker 1: those cities this day in your top know, how much
Speaker 1: time do you dedicate to an only fans profile? Like
Speaker 1: how much time do you actually need to put into
Speaker 1: making sure that it's worth it, because at some point
Speaker 1: you had a regular job. It's a it's a daily job,
Speaker 1: like just as far I mean, I know, um, just
Speaker 1: some friends. I know some people they set out days.
Speaker 1: We haven't got to that point where we're like, okay,
Speaker 1: well this is too overwhelming. We need to set days
Speaker 1: to do this kind of just like all right, we're
Speaker 1: on Twitter, we're on Instagram. Let's just go check only fans.
Speaker 1: Like as far as like shooting and whatnot, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no schedule. We kind of just yeah, but we're
Speaker 1: still like a l and error process, like just like
Speaker 1: understanding what we want and what we don't. And she's
Speaker 1: like that like working with people or like we're just
Speaker 1: trying to keep through something exclusively for our this kind
Speaker 1: of thing. So it's like go back and forth from
Speaker 1: just you know, trying to see like what we like
Speaker 1: to do, or like how we like, like how we
Speaker 1: like to spend our time with. Do you notice that
Speaker 1: the sex is different when you're doing only van sex
Speaker 1: versus like other like your personal sex, like tell us that, Um, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: there's really That's why I like. I like telling people
Speaker 1: like if we didn't have an only fans, we would
Speaker 1: still have as many videos in our phone. You know,
Speaker 1: we gotta old this ship to a cloud. When we started,
Speaker 1: it was just old videos from like when we first
Speaker 1: started talking