1 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Lost worlds have always tugged firmly on the human imagination. 2 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: For millennia, we've shared tales of forgotten places where time 3 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: has not kept pace with history, where the clutter and 4 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: conformity of the contemporary world do not hold sway. The 5 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: most famous of all lost worlds is the mythical Atlantis, 6 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: first introduced in Plato's Dialogs to Maeus and Critius around 7 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty BCE. Atlantis is described as a 8 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: utopian island nation home to an advanced seafaring society. After 9 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: the Atlanteans supposedly went to war with Athens, the gods 10 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: punished them with fire and flood, sinking their proud home 11 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: Rome into the depths of the Atlantic Ocean. For some, 12 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: Atlantis is an allegory for the inevitable downfall that follows 13 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: greed and hubris. For others, it is of very real civilization, 14 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: lost to antiquity, but shining still in the imagination. There 15 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: are other similar stories of sunken lands around the globe. 16 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: Limyria a nation submerged beneath the Indian Ocean, move a 17 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: fabled continent swallowed down by the Pacific. Then there is 18 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:40,279 Speaker 1: the El Dorado, the legendary South American city of Gold 19 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: or Shambala, a mystical paradise of enlightenment hidden somewhere in 20 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: the Himalayas. Taken together, these stories point to a deep 21 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: rooted and universal desire to maintain some mystery in the world, 22 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: a mystery under constant erosion by the unceasing march of 23 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: technological development, and the human urge to explore, to fill 24 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: in the map of the world with fact distances and details. 25 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: But if the romance were squeezed out of our cartography, 26 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: it snuck back in through our fiction. In eighteen eighty five, 27 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: h Rider Haggard wrote King Solomon's Minds, often regarded as 28 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: the origin of the modern lost world genre in the 29 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: Western tradition, at least in it, Haggard's explorers, led by 30 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: the undauntable Allan Quartermaine mount an arduous trek through an 31 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: unmapped region of Central Africa in search of the fabled minds, 32 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: confronting ancient, unknown cultures. Three decades later, Arthur Conan Doyle 33 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: published The Lost World, in which another group of adventurers 34 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: discover a bubble of prehistory lingering atop an Amazonian plateau, 35 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: a microcosm of the past, full of ancient monsters and 36 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: rugged cave people. But there are other hidden parts of 37 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: the world and stories about them that reveal a darker truth. 38 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: In Joseph Comrade's seminal novel The Heart of Darkness, Sailor 39 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: Charles Marlowe speaks of his boyhood lust for adventure. Now, 40 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: when I was a little chap there were many blank 41 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: spaces on the earth, and when I saw one that 42 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: looked particularly inviting on a map, I would put my 43 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: finger on it and say, when I grow up, I 44 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: will go there. But there was one yet, the biggest, 45 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: the most blank, so to speak, that I had a 46 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: hankering after. That blank space on Marlowe's map was the 47 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: Congo Basin, an area of one point one million square 48 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: miles deep in central Africa, home to the world's second 49 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: largest rainforest, deepest river, and a huge range of flora 50 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: and fauna. It is a place that perhaps most represents 51 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: the stereotypical mystery and untamed wildness long attached to Africa 52 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: in the white European mind. The story is essentially an 53 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: account of Marlow's steamship journey up the Congo River in 54 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: search of the enigmatic Kurts, a sinister European ivory trader. 55 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: But as is so often the case, what Marlowe had 56 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: once viewed as an unknown space was rather simply unknown 57 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: to him. In reality, it was already populated by hundreds 58 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: of thousands of people, and the only strange and monstrous 59 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: things he discovered there were the brutal acts being perpose 60 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: traded on them. For Marlowe, the Congo ceased to be 61 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: a blank space of delightful mystery, and instead had become 62 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: a place of darkness. But there is a parallel story 63 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: to this sphere of dense forest and deep water, one 64 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: told over centuries by local Congolese and explorers alike, a 65 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: story that calls into question what we truly know about 66 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: our world and what may lurk still in the parts 67 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: of the map that have yet to be fully filled. 68 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: In You're listening to Unexplained, and I'm Richard McLean Smith. 69 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: In the seventeen sixties, abbe Levan Bonaventure Proia, a French 70 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: writer and cleric, worked as a missionary in the Congo basin. 71 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: Years later, after returning to France, he wrote a book 72 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: detailing his experience of the region and compiling his fellow 73 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: missionaries knowledge of its natural wonders. No doubt, this book, 74 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: titled a History of Lango, Cocongo and other Kingdoms of Africa, 75 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: would have slipped into total obscurity were it not for 76 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: one enigmatic passage. Missionaries Proyar Rites have observed passing along 77 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: a forest the trail of an animal they have never seen, 78 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: but which must be monstrous. The marks of its claws 79 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: were noted upon the earth, and these composed a footprint 80 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: of about three feet in circumference. By observing the disposition 81 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: of his footsteps, it was recognized that he was not running, 82 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: and he carried his legs at the distance of seven 83 00:06:55,440 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: to eight feet apart. Proyar does not elaborate further. It 84 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: gives no additional details and what this unnamed creature is 85 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: or what it supposedly looks like. This is nonetheless considered 86 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: the first written reference to a creature known as morkel 87 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: and Bembe, Africa's most infamous undiscovered animal, or in modern 88 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: terminology cryptid. In the oral traditions of the local Bantu people, 89 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: the mockle and Bembe is alternatively spirit allegory or flesh 90 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: and blood creature. One tale goes that during a bloody 91 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: bout of tribal warfare, a band of Congolese pigmies were 92 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: fleeing through the rainforest when they reached a river too 93 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: wide and dangerous to cross with pursuers on their trail, 94 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: They were caught until a broad back breached the river's surface, 95 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: a living bridge that the pigmase scrambled across to safety. 96 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: Other accounts present the macklay and bembey as a very 97 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: real and much less benign entity, but in either case 98 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: reference is always made to its grand site. In the 99 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: Lingala language, mockle and bembe means one who stops the 100 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: flow of rivers. In nineteen thirteen, a German explorer visited 101 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: what is now modern day Cameroon. The man Ludwig Freiheer 102 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: von steins u Lausnitz was on a government funded mission 103 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: to survey the German colonies. While trekking the bush, Ludwig 104 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: heard recurrent tales of a mysterious animal feared by natives 105 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: of the neighboring Congo. He was particularly astounded that these 106 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: accounts came from such experienced guides, who, despite coming from 107 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: different tribes separated by many miles of dense rainforest or 108 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: relaid similar details. The creature was said to inhabit shallow 109 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: waters and the exposed banks of sharp river bends. According 110 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: to cautionary tales, if anyone was unwary or unlucky enough 111 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: to paddle close to the creature's lair, the mokele and 112 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: Bembe would rush forth and destroy the canoes and the 113 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: people inside them with a heavy swipe of its tail. 114 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: It never ate the bodies, though they were left undisturbed 115 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: the floating detritus of the apparent beast's extreme territorialism, and 116 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: while local tribespeople spoke of the mochle and Bembe as 117 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: capable of hunting and killing an elephant, they were never 118 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 1: known to devour the carcass. Indeed, the mochle and Bembe 119 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: was said to enjoy an exclusively herbivorous diet, climbing laboriously 120 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: up the bank of the river to feast on the 121 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: local foliage. In particular, it is said to have a 122 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: taste for the mulumbo, an apple like fruit common to 123 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: the banks of rivers and lakes. To the people of 124 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: the Congo, the mochele and Bembe simply was an oversized 125 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: part of their ecosystem, like an elephant or a hippo, 126 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: and they described it with the same level of consistency. Supposedly, 127 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: the animal was very large, with a body a little 128 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: bigger than an adult elephant, covered in smooth, scaleless skin. 129 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: A small head sat at the end of a long, 130 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: sinuous neck, and it wielded an alligator like tail thick 131 00:10:54,840 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: with mussel. To Western explorers, however, physical discs scriptions of 132 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: the apparent monster, coupled with its eating habits, hinted at 133 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: an alluring, alarming question. Does a dinosaur live on the 134 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: so called lost world of the Congo basin? One man 135 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: attempted to find out. Professor Roy Mackell arrived in the 136 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: Congo for the first time in January nineteen eighty, a 137 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: respected biologist recently retired from the University of Chicago. He 138 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: was also vice president of the International Society of Cryptozoology 139 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: under world authority on the topic of the Lochness Monster. 140 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: Having grown tired of the endless, unrewarded search for NeSSI, 141 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: Mackell turned his attention to Africa after his friend, the 142 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: herpetologist James Powell, related a story he once heard from 143 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: a Bantu folk healer. The healer had told Old Powell 144 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: of a great jungle beast, a source of terror and 145 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: owe for the Bantu people. Keen to identify the creature, 146 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: Paw presented the healer with a picture book of animals. 147 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: The healer looked on passively as Paw turned the page 148 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: on one animal after another, when finally he told Paw 149 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: to stop, energetically pointing to one particular image on a page. 150 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: It was a picture of a Diplodocus, a sauropod dinosaur 151 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: measuring on average twenty seven meters long and four and 152 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: a half meters tour that went extinct one hundred and 153 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: forty five million years ago, and so Intrigued and buoyed 154 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: by the implications, Macaw and Powell made their way together 155 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: to the Republic of Congo. Starting from the city of 156 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: Ifondo in the northeast, the two friends began a month 157 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: long trek through the Licoala Swamp, a vast expanse of 158 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: over fifty five thousand maize like square miles of rivers, 159 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: shallow lakes, and low lying islands, as impenetrable to western 160 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: tourists as it is perfect for a semi aquatic lizard. 161 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: Their guide was Marion Nicole, a local pigmy whose help 162 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: would prove essential. As mocel and Bembay believers have argued, 163 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: the Likohala Swamp region is highly suitable for a large 164 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: prehistoric species to survive and breed in small populations. Not 165 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: only is it supremely isolated, it has remained almost unchanged 166 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: since the Cretaceous period, with a stable climate, minimal tectonic disruption, 167 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: and virtually no movement from its proximity to the equator. Here, 168 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: Macal argued a herd of dinosaurs could potentially go was 169 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: unnoticed as a swarm of insects. But it hadn't gone unnoticed, 170 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: as McAll and Powell quickly discovered while they trekked from 171 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: town to town. Stories of Maclay and Bembe encounters were 172 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: not hard to come by. One Bantu man, Furman Mossamele, 173 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: told them how as a young boy, he'd disturbed the 174 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: animal paddling near the town of Epina before he fled 175 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: in terror. Furman saw a small head rise from the river, 176 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: followed by a serpentine neck and broad ruddy back, just 177 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: like Powell's healer. Furman also pointed to a depiction of 178 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: a sauropod dinosaur in a book as the nearest comparison 179 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: to what he saw. Another first hand account from a 180 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: hunter named Nicholas Mondongo described a ruddy red river monster 181 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: standing in water only a few feet deep. He told 182 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: the fascinated researchers that the creature was at least ten 183 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: meters from its head to the tip of its thick tail, 184 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: and he too recognized the mochelae and bembe in the 185 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: drawings of the Diplodocus and other sauropods. Mikail had begun 186 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: his expedition with skepticism about the idea of a surviving 187 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: modern day dinosaur. However, after contemplating the scale of the 188 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: unexplored rainforest and hearing from more witnesses who each pointed 189 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: eagerly to pictures of surapods, he flew home with a 190 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: firm conviction something unknown was roaming the interior of the 191 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:57,359 Speaker 1: Congo Basin. In October nineteen eighty one, Macau returned to Africa, 192 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: determined to find definitive roof This time, he headed up 193 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: a larger team, which included his International Society of Cryptosymology 194 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: colleague Richard Greenwell of Congolese biologist doctor Marcellan and Nanya, 195 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: and pastor Eugene Thomas, an American missionary who'd lived in 196 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: the country since the late fifties and who claimed to 197 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: have heard over fifty first hand reports of the apparent creature. 198 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: German electrical engineer and avid proponent of the mckelay and 199 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: Bembey theory, Hermann Regustas was also supposed to join the party, 200 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: providing vital expertise and the ability to employ satellite tracking. Sadly, however, 201 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: for reasons unknown, he and Macaw fell out, and he 202 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: neglected to join the team on their quest. Under turret, 203 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: macau moved forward. This time, he decided to refine the 204 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: search area, choosing to focus on the waterways and swamp 205 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: land itself. As their trip began at the end of 206 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: the rainy season, water levels were high enough to allow 207 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: the group to travel by river, faster than the previous 208 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: year's overland journey and closer to the habitat that the 209 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: creature would ostensibly call home. The team traveled in perogues, 210 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: long narrow canoes carved from a single tree trunk. Parogues 211 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: sit very low in the water, with only an inch 212 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: or two of draft, but their stability and maneuverability makes 213 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: them the vessel of choice for Bantu and Pygmy river communities. 214 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: The group's initial aim was to reach Lake Telee, a 215 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: remote lake thought to be a particular haunt of the 216 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: Macklay and Bembey. As rumor had it, it was there 217 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty that a group of Bogombay pigmies felt 218 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: one of the creatures us using long spears. Only no 219 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: sooner had they begun feasting on the carcass. One by one, 220 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: the group as said to have collapsed and died due 221 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: to a deadly poison said to saturate the creature's flesh. 222 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: Even without the threat of poison, the Bogombay Pygmy story 223 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: is the only account of the enigmatic beast being brought 224 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: down by humans, and without spears or hunting expertise of 225 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: their own, there was no doubt. The Macal party set 226 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: out with no little trepidation as they headed back into 227 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: the swamp. Embarking from Pastor Thomas's mission, Macau's team first 228 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: canoed southwest down the Tanga River and then south on 229 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: the larger le Koala o Zerb River. At some point 230 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: Macau heard a loud splash from near the bank. He 231 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: turned quickly to see a sizeable rogue wave come cresting 232 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: across from the shadowy vine encrusted overhang. The river. Water 233 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: washed across their pirogues, prompting the guides to scream out 234 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: in terror Mochle and Bembe. Mockele and Bembey with great persistence, 235 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: Macau just about managed to convince them not to flee. 236 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: After a half hour search, the team found no evidence 237 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: or tracks with which to identify whatever had created the wave. 238 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: Either way, the nervous guide e Cole assured the team 239 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: that of all the creatures it might have been, crocodiles 240 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: do not create waves when they enter the water, elephants 241 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: do not fully submerge themselves, and no hippos were known 242 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: to inhabit that section of the le Koala. When Macau 243 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: asked how the guide knew the no hippos in the area, 244 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: his response was swift and matter of fact. The Mokel 245 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: and Bembey had chased them all away, he said. Some 246 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: time later, the expedition reached the confluence of the Lekoala, 247 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: o Zerb and the Uncharted River. By Here they established 248 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: a base and visited several local villages, gathering more eyewitness testimony. 249 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: In total, they collected more than thirty independent reports of 250 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: apparent encounters with the Macklay and Bembey. One hunter escorted 251 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: Macau to a stretch of river bank where he discovered 252 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: a large trail that he couldn't identify. Some large animal 253 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: had clearly dredged itself from the river and headed into 254 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: the surrounding jungle, leaving foot wide clawed prints. The size 255 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: of the path it created was roughly the same as 256 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: that made by an elephant, But elephants do not have claws, 257 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: and the hunter emphasized that neither did they devastate the 258 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: plant life in quite the way this creature had. Feeling 259 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: confident they were on the cusp of a discovery, Macaal 260 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: and his team aimed to push on to Lake Telley. Unfortunately, 261 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: to their great disappointment, they learned how fallible the maps 262 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: of the local region had up till then been. As 263 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: it turned out, the river they were on was not 264 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: the northern reach of the Bye River as they had thought, 265 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: and to reach Lake Telley from their position would require 266 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: an overland slog through the most inhospitable terrain, equipped only 267 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: for a river journey, they had no choice but to 268 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: turn back. Macaw's great search for the dinosaur of the 269 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: Congo had reached an anticlimactic end. He flew back to 270 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: the u s no less persuaded of the creature's existence, 271 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: but with the heavy awareness that none of the evidence 272 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: he collected would convince the zoological community. Roy Macaw's nineteen 273 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: eighty seven book A Living Dinosaur in Search of Mockelay 274 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: and Bembe, which he subsequently wrote, did much to promote 275 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: the idea of prehistoric survival into the present day, though 276 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: macau was ultimately forced to concede that though the mystery 277 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: beckons pending new information from future expeditions, our speculations must 278 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: rest here. But Roy mackel had not been the only 279 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: cryptozoologist scourring the swamps for monsters after their falling out. 280 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: Herm and Rougustus, the German satellite specialists, had initiated his 281 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: own expedition, which also took place in the autumn of 282 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one. In fact, Ermine had started a four 283 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: month before. Like Mackel, Ermine also centered his attention on 284 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: the elusive Lake Telley, but he was successful in reaching it. 285 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: His team, which included his wife Kia in the role 286 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: as chief medical officer, arrived there on October twenty eighth, 287 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: when Mackel was still days from setting out on the river. 288 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: Seen from above, Lake Telley is a great shining disk, 289 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: two miles wide and enclosed on all sides by a 290 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: limitless blanket of trees. To some it looks like a 291 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: vast eye staring up from a dark green face, the 292 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: inlets and rivers running to and from it like scars. 293 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: It is here that the mochll Bembe is thought to 294 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: make its home. On the afternoon of their first day, 295 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: Rmin and Kia noticed sizeable waves radiating in the otherwise 296 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: calm water. However, it wasn't possible to see the source 297 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: of the disturbance that day, but the following morning, one 298 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: of the party believed they spotted a long, neck like 299 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: protuberance stretching out from the lake. It stayed in view 300 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: for a full five minutes before sinking out of sight. 301 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: It was a week later when Herman and Kia heard 302 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: a frightening noise emanating from the jungle around their shore 303 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: side camp. It began as a low roar which increased 304 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: in volume and violence to a deep throated, trumpeting growl. 305 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: As they described it, the couple sat in their canoe, 306 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: rooted with fascination and fear as whatever made the noise 307 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: could be heard plowing through the trees, growling and battering 308 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: vegetation as it went. On November twenty seventh, after a 309 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: full month on the Lake Kia, claint have glimpsed a long, 310 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: sinuous appendage rising from the water, topped with a large 311 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: snakelike head. She estimated it to be over six and 312 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: a half feet in length. It apparently swayed in full 313 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: view as if waving to the awestruck woman, before sinking, 314 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: as ever, beneath the surface. Sadly, for all these sightings, 315 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: the Augustus expedition gathered no photographic or physical evidence. Hermann 316 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: blamed human error and humidity, and though he returned home 317 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: convinced of the existence of a relict dinosaur, his anecdotal 318 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: reports caused barely a stir. Two years after the Macal 319 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: and Rugusta expeditions, another team battled their way to the 320 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: shores of Lake Telley, but this time people paid attention. 321 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: Marcellan and Nanya was the Congolese zoologist who was part 322 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: of Macal's second expedition. He also had a government role 323 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: in the Ministry of Water and Forests. As such, he 324 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: was well placed and well provisioned to pursue his determined 325 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: search for the mackl and Bembe. In April nineteen eighty three, 326 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: he put together a seven person Congolese only team, whose 327 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: every member was familiar with the ecosystem they were set 328 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: to explore once again. The hunters were drawn towards Lake Telley, 329 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: like blood towards the heart. After days of canoeing and 330 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: trekking through dense jungle, they finally arrived and promptly set 331 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: up camp. On the second day of their stakeout, the 332 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: group observed a huge turtle near to their bank. By 333 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 1: Annanya's reckoning, it was over six feet long, easily double 334 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: the size of the commonly recognized African soft shell turtle. 335 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: Though some have wondered if this might in fact be 336 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: the root of the whole Mokelly and Benbe story, nothing 337 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: but an oversized turtle transformed through the prism of frightened 338 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: imaginations into something even grander. The truth is, the giant 339 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: turtle already has its own name and folklore attached the 340 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: endn Deci. They call it a creature in many ways, 341 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: just as fabled as the Mocklae and Bembey, And so 342 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: it would seem, even without offering up a surviving dinosaur, 343 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 1: Lake Hell was all already living up to its reputation 344 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: as a lost world of the Arthur Conan Doyle variety. Then, 345 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 1: on the third day May one, the dinosaur is said 346 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: to have made its presence known, and Nanya was filming 347 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: a troop of monkeys on the lake shore when he 348 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: heard one of his party crying out in excitement. Dashing 349 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: to the water's edge, he was stunned to see just 350 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: under three hundred meters off shore the rising neck and 351 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: back of a huge animal, and Nanya strode into the 352 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: water and toward the creature, feeling a jolt of adrenaline 353 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: when he saw its head turn at the sound of 354 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: his approach sixty meters in, and Nanya stopped and raised 355 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: his camera through the magnified lens. He later said he 356 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: took in all the details that he'd heard locals repeat 357 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: again and again. A foot long neck topped with an 358 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: undersized snakelike head with crocodilian eyes, its skin shaded from 359 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: its ruddy head down, a brown neck turning black across 360 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: its hump, and the ten feet of its back. In total, 361 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,959 Speaker 1: the creature, he claimed, was over five meters in length. 362 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: It sank for a moment beneath the water, he later said, 363 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: only for its neck to soon re emerge and stay 364 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: visible for a full twenty minutes. In this time, the 365 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: zoologist determined that he was looking at something reptilian rather 366 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: than mammalian, and felt compelled to conclude that it did 367 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: indeed look very much like a sauropod dinosaur. When Marcellan 368 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: and Nanyas Mochli and Bembe finally submerged fully into the water, 369 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: his team apparently rushed to its last location in their pirogue, 370 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: but saw nothing beneath the dense vegetable matter that gathered 371 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: at the surface of the lake. It was when they 372 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: arrived back at the shore that Ananya claimed to make 373 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: the crushing discovery that he'd accidentally filmed the whole encounter 374 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: with an entirely inappropriate focus setting, having neglected to change 375 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: it after filming the monkeys. When he eventually apparently watched 376 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: the footage back, it displayed only an impenetrable blurry image 377 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: he did take several photos with a small thirty five 378 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: millimeter camera. However, his grainy images of something dark breaking 379 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: the surface of the lake have garnered both support and 380 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 1: condemnation over the years. There the search for Central Africa 381 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: living dinosaur could have rested in the uncertain ground between 382 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: anecdote myth and compromised evidence. But there is just something 383 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: about those empty places on the map human beings cannot 384 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: keep away. Other expeditions have followed over the last forty years, 385 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: plenty of them, most failed valiantly to gain any greater 386 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: evidence than Roy mackel, Hermann, Rugusta's or Marcellan and Anya. 387 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety two, a Japanese film crew recorded fifteen 388 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: seconds of video showing something long and distinctly serpentine swimming 389 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: across Lake Telley's glassy surface. It remains the most compelling 390 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: sign that something unknown still calls the lake its home. 391 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: But it is worth noting that Mocklay and Bembe is 392 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: not the only prehistoric relic reported from the Congo. Other 393 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: tales tell of the cassai rex, a ferocious carnival able 394 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: to kill rhinos, and the Ammela and Tuca, a horned 395 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: reptile as large as a bush elephant, with a striking 396 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: resemblance to the triceratops. And then there is the Kanga motto, 397 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: a huge bird with a seven foot wingspan, scaled rather 398 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: than feathered. It is said to attack the boats of 399 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: those that venture too far into the rivers and trees. 400 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: When European explorers showed them images of prehistoric pterosaurs, the 401 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: local people didn't react with or as others had to 402 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: the Mochele and Bembe. 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