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Speaker 1: Welcome into a lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Ink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we have more updates on

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Speaker 1: the Ravens search for their next head coach. It's been

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Speaker 1: a busy weekend, Garrett, and the second round of interviews

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Speaker 1: has reportedly begun for the Ravens, so we're going to

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Speaker 1: break that all down, as well as talk about John

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Speaker 1: Harball start in New York, as well as another kind

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Speaker 1: of surprise firing from the Buffalo Bills with Sean McDermott

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Speaker 1: and how that changes the Ravens head coaching search potentially.

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Speaker 1: So a lot to talk about, Garrett, and let's just

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Speaker 1: start off with kind of an update on where things

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Speaker 1: stand right now. We're taping this at three o'clock on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: just a timestamp this. So ten vacancies with Sean McDermott

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Speaker 1: out in Buffalo. That ties the record by the way,

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Speaker 1: ten head coach changes this cycle. So four of those

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Speaker 1: have been filled. Harball in New York, Jeff Halfley with

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Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins, Kevin Stefanski with the Atlanta Falcons, and

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Speaker 1: Robert Sala with the Tennessee Titans. The Ravens reportedly have

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Speaker 1: three second interviews set up that is with Anthony Weaver,

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Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator of the Miami Dolphins, Joe Brady, the

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator of the Buffalo Bills, and Jesse Minter, the

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator of the Los Angeles Chargers. The Ravens have

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Speaker 1: several candidates that are still in the playoffs, so they

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Speaker 1: won't be able to have If the Ravens wanted to

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Speaker 1: bring them in for a second interview, that couldn't happen

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Speaker 1: until Monday of this following week. Those candidates are Chris Shula,

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Speaker 1: d C of the Rams, Nate Sielhas, the pass game

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Speaker 1: pass game coordinator for the Broncos, and Darren Rizzy reportedly

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Speaker 1: is a new interview. He's a special teams coordinator with

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Speaker 1: the Broncos. Yeah, there are other interviews that have been

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Speaker 1: reported over the weekend. First interviews for the Ravens are

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Speaker 1: with Jaguars d C, Anthony Campanelli, and Rizzy. As I

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Speaker 1: previously mentioned, So that's where we stand right now. I

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Speaker 1: know that's a lot to digest, a lot of names,

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Speaker 1: which really kind of emphasizes the wide net that the

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Speaker 1: Ravens have cast. And you know, the Ravens are now

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Speaker 2: When I look at where the Ravens are right now,

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Speaker 2: the things that stand out to me are there's two

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Speaker 2: in particular. One is the extensive nature of this search,

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Speaker 2: interviewing a number of different candidates. It's not like they

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Speaker 2: went into this process and said, We've got our guy

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Speaker 2: mapped out. It's just formalities here, let's just get a

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Speaker 1: Very different from the New York Giants process slightingly where

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Speaker 1: they were locked in on Harball from the beginning and

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Speaker 1: very aggressively pursued him.

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Speaker 2: Basically, the Ravens are going through an interview process and

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Speaker 2: looking for that candidate. In the situation that you talking

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Speaker 2: about with the Giants at Hardball, it was a recruiting process, right,

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Speaker 2: seemed more so where they were trying to lure him

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Speaker 2: interview process and learning as much about these candidates and

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Speaker 2: doing their due diligence on everybody talking to a number

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Speaker 2: of candidates. Of course, you never know exactly how many

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Speaker 2: different people teams talk to. Some announce, some don't. But

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Speaker 2: I got to believe from an official interview standpoint, the

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Speaker 2: Ravens are at the top of the list from a

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Speaker 2: volume standpoint of what's been announced. And so that's the

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Speaker 2: first thing that stands out. It's just the extensive nature

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Speaker 2: me is that the Ravens are committed to their process

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Speaker 2: process based on the timelines around the league. So two

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Speaker 2: of the candidates who have interviewed here have now taken

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Speaker 1: But you would have to you would have to think,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Ravens have the top opening, and we

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Speaker 1: You would think that if they had said to one

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to go for it. But I would

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Speaker 1: To think that those coaches would have gotten an indication that, like,

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Speaker 2: I just think it depends on the coach, depends on

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Speaker 2: I think that there's something to be that they.

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Speaker 1: Feel like it's a great fit at this other place. Yep,

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Speaker 1: this is good, I'm gonna take it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and very well do that.

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Speaker 2: Right and The Baltimore Banner did a piece talking about

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Speaker 2: the process and included an interview with Kevin Byrne, of course,

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Speaker 2: who was our long term, longtime head of PR, was

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Speaker 2: involved in the process eighteen years ago when the Ravens

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Speaker 2: He made the point that the Ravens they they're committed

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Speaker 2: to their process and they're not Their timeline isn't adjusted

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Speaker 2: basically based on the openings elsewhere around the league, and

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Speaker 2: then if another coach is saying, hey, I might take

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Speaker 2: we're going through our process or we're going to stick

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Speaker 2: that other coach, that other job elsewhere, then that is

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Speaker 2: obviously within your right right And so I'm summarizing what

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Speaker 1: You really want us and you're willing to take another job,

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Speaker 1: then you weren't a guy anyway basically, right and good degree.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's that element.

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Speaker 2: And so all of this there's like a lot, there's

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Speaker 2: so many moving parts. It really is like a game

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Speaker 2: of musical chairs that it's unfolding on multiple levels head

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Speaker 2: coach coordinator jobs, Like there's a lot that's taking place

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Speaker 2: all at one time, and I just think the Ravens

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Speaker 1: Well, and patients can certainly pay off, right, Like I

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Speaker 1: Or why haven't the Ravens fallen for somebody like the

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go get them, right. But let's rewind two

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Speaker 1: years ago to the process that Mike McDonald went through

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Speaker 2: Adam Schefter compared it to the Ravens approach of the draft,

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Speaker 2: and he made the point that the Ravens, when you

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Speaker 2: have generally speaking, stuck to that draft strategy and it

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Speaker 2: the coaching search is a similar dynamic and the Ravens

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Speaker 2: And so that analogy from Schefter I think holds some weight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Ravens are a team that they want to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just interesting because that and I don't know

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Speaker 2: hiring one of those coaches who's still available, and some

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Speaker 2: of the player some of the coaches who the Ravens

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Speaker 2: to bring them back for second interviews. A number of them,

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Speaker 2: playing this weekend. Clint Kubiak playing this weekend offensive coordinator

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Speaker 3: This weekend house. Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 2: career helped maximize the talents of the quarterbacks, in particular

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Speaker 2: that he's coached Josh Allen MVP, Joe Burrow breakout season

439
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Speaker 2: at LSU went on to become the number one overall pick.

440
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Speaker 2: And so you have this track record of working with

441
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Speaker 2: really talented, high profile quarterbacks who play at their best

442
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Speaker 2: with you, there's something to like there.

443
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And that's what the Ravens want to get

444
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Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson. They want to get him back to

445
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Speaker 1: playing his best football, which he's certainly very capable of

446
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Speaker 1: doing here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

448
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Speaker 2: I also would say the thing that's interesting there, and

449
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Speaker 2: I know we're going to talk about this, but the

450
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Speaker 2: Buffalo job opening up, no idea what his relationship is

451
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Speaker 2: there from an organizational standpoint. Do they feel like they

452
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Speaker 2: have the replacement in house with him? Do they want

453
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Speaker 2: to keep what they have in place with that offense

454
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Speaker 2: and Joe Brady, or do they want a fresh start

455
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Speaker 2: and somebody else to come in there. I don't know.

456
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Speaker 1: Brian Dable is the name that's been thrown out a lot.

457
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 1: Previously worked with Josh Allen before as is OC before

458
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Speaker 1: going to the New York Giants as the head coach.

459
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Speaker 1: So Dables hasn't been really a name that's been out

460
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Speaker 1: there in this cycle seemingly.

461
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Speaker 3: But does he get back.

462
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Speaker 2: He has a connection with Buffalo that is worth I

463
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Speaker 2: think it seems like there's a natural connection there.

464
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Speaker 1: Certainly is worth consideration, certainly. And then Joe Brady and

465
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Speaker 1: then Davis Webb. Davis's Webb was playing quarterback for the

466
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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. They wanted to hire him to be there,

467
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Speaker 1: oh or quarterbacks coach of Josh Allen while he was

468
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Speaker 1: still playing. They were like, please retire, you're a third stringer.

469
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Speaker 1: It's time to hang him up and start coaching for us.

470
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Speaker 1: And he was like, now, I'm going to continue to play,

471
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Speaker 1: and then got in. He got into coaching later, yep.

472
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Speaker 1: And so could they be interested in bringing Davis Webb in,

473
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Speaker 1: who has experienced playing alongside Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also reportedly has a great relationship with him. Again,

475
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Speaker 2: it knows if that's true or not. But Davis Webb,

476
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Speaker 2: I think from a a name standpoint, is like the

477
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Speaker 2: most interesting name, one of the most interesting names in

478
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Speaker 2: this coaching cycle, because I don't think that he was

479
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Speaker 2: somebody who six months ago people were saying he's going

480
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Speaker 2: to be a head coach this cycle. He's not been

481
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Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator or a play caller yet, and he's

482
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Speaker 2: thirty years old, and so he was just playing. I

483
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: think a lot of people say, wait, but you know,

484
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Speaker 2: he was just playing, right, you know, backup quarterback, And

485
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Speaker 2: so I think that that name is obviously it's not

486
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Speaker 2: just one to watch, but it's an interesting one when

487
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Speaker 2: you consider the path that he's gone to this point.

488
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Speaker 2: And the Ravens were interested enough to have the initial interview,

489
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Speaker 2: we'll see if there's more, and Buffalo sounds like maybe

490
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Speaker 2: interested as well.

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Speaker 4: Well.

492
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Speaker 1: The natural question is could the Ravens have interest in

493
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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 3: With Sean McDermott, John Harbaugh and Mike Tomlin, these.

495
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Speaker 1: Are three highly successful coaches in the AFC that have

496
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Speaker 1: been duke in it out over the years and all

497
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Speaker 1: three relieved of their duties this offseason. You know, first

498
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Speaker 1: inclination with Sean McDermott, is I mean a great head coach,

499
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Speaker 1: I mean, very high winning percentage, the highest of those

500
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Speaker 1: three guys that I just mentioned in the regular season,

501
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Speaker 1: you know, is he too much? The parallels between he

502
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Speaker 1: and John Harball and their situations.

503
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Speaker 3: Are very much alike.

504
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Speaker 1: I mean, here are guys who are kind of that CEO,

505
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Speaker 1: kind of mold.

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Speaker 4: Now.

507
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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott was came from a defensive background, but kind

508
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Speaker 1: of was seen in that mode.

509
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Speaker 3: He wasn't a play caller.

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Speaker 1: For the Bills, right, a ton of regular season success

511
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Speaker 1: but fell short in the playoffs, and the Bills ultimately

512
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Speaker 1: decided all right, you've fallen short too many times here.

513
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Speaker 1: You know, had a great quarterback, didn't get to the

514
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl with Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: Does that preclude.

516
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Speaker 1: The Ravens from being interested in Sean McDermott, because it's like,

517
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Speaker 1: do we hire another guy in a similar mode who

518
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Speaker 1: also had trouble getting over at the top.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, what do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a great question. It wouldn't surprise

521
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Speaker 2: me given the extensive nature of the search if the

522
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Speaker 2: Ravens had a phone call with him, like they've they've

523
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Speaker 2: talked to a number of candidates, and so if they

524
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Speaker 2: feel like, hey, didn't expect him to be on the

525
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Speaker 2: market now he is, let's have a conversation, that would

526
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Speaker 2: not surprise me. I'd also don't know that, as we've

527
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Speaker 2: talked about earlier, the timing of it, I don't think

528
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Speaker 2: that they're going to say, well, we're already too far

529
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Speaker 2: down the road with any of these other candidates, so

530
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Speaker 2: we've already passed that opportunity. Now, if they want to

531
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Speaker 2: talk to him and they feel like he could be

532
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Speaker 2: the right fit, I think that they would go through

533
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Speaker 2: that process with McDermott. Also no idea what he wants,

534
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Speaker 2: like does he want to get right back into coaching,

535
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Speaker 2: does he want to take a year off? Who knows

536
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Speaker 2: like time will tell, but I think that, I mean,

537
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Speaker 2: it wouldn't surprise me if they had a conversation, and

538
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Speaker 2: where it goes from there is anybody's guess.

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Speaker 1: The other question with regards to the Bills is who

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Speaker 1: do the Ravens still have the top opening on the market,

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Speaker 1: and the Bill's job is going to be very attractive

542
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Speaker 1: as well. You have the opportunity to work with Josh Allen.

543
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Speaker 1: You have a talented roster that's gone far, you know,

544
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Speaker 1: gone to the playoffs several years in a row. Here,

545
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Speaker 1: you have a new stadium opening up next season. You

546
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Speaker 1: have McDermott was also given a long leash, like you

547
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Speaker 1: have a track record of ownership that you know is patient.

548
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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 1: My viewpoint on that is that the Ravens I think

550
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Speaker 1: would still have the edge given that you look roster wide,

551
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Speaker 1: I think that the Ravens, when you look up and down,

552
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Speaker 1: I think have more there than.

553
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Speaker 3: The Bills do.

554
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Speaker 1: Necessarily, I mean, these Baltimore more attractive generally than Buffalo.

555
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Speaker 1: You want to be freeze to your butt off. I

556
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Speaker 1: don't know, you know, there's a lot of factors in there.

557
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Speaker 1: I think the Ravens ownership and front office structure. And

558
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Speaker 1: now Brandon Bean just got promoted in Buffalo, so he's

559
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Speaker 1: gonna be over top of the head coach. And we're

560
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Speaker 1: not really sure what this structure will be like in Baltimore,

561
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Speaker 1: but kind of indications were that it would they would

562
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Speaker 1: continue the Ravens to continue the same kind of process

563
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Speaker 1: from Sebashati at the press conference. You know, so does

564
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: is a head coach more attracted in the Ravens job

565
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Speaker 1: because he reports the owner. He doesn't report to the

566
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Speaker 1: general manager. That's another factor.

567
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to say. I think that.

568
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: I think that the Buffalo job coming open adds more competition.

569
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Speaker 2: If you're both looking at the same coach, and you

570
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: both wanted to hire the same coach, and that coach

571
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Speaker 2: had offers from both teams, I think that it it.

572
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Speaker 2: There's no doubt that the level of competition around that

573
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: has been increased. I still think the Ravens job is

574
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Speaker 2: the best job, but I think that there's no doubt

575
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Speaker 2: the competition has increased on multiple levels. It's the head

576
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Speaker 2: coach and then also as you cycle through, depending on

577
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: who you hire as a head coach, how does that

578
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 2: affect the coordinator search? If you hire a defensive head

579
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Speaker 2: coach and you're looking for the best offensive coordinator. That

580
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: coordinator can look at both situations too, And there's just

581
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Speaker 2: more competition there as well. I think that like there's

582
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Speaker 2: multiple layers to it, and so and.

583
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Speaker 3: The Steelers competition. Well, you're right, and that's the thing.

584
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Speaker 2: The Steelers, like the Steelers is a very attract the

585
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 2: job as well, and and with with ownership that has

586
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Speaker 2: shown a willingness to to be stable and consistent and

587
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 2: have a long leash and all those things, like a

588
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: lot of things that you just said. It's a there's

589
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: a question of quarterback obviously in Pittsburgh that doesn't exist in.

590
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Speaker 3: Baltimore and Buffalo defense.

591
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like from an organizational stability, historic franchise standpoint,

592
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: there's a lot to like about that opportunity as well.

593
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 2: So I think that there's there's like there's competition for

594
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 2: jobs amongst these amongst those three openings in particular. And

595
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: I also, like I said earlier, if a coach feels

596
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Speaker 2: like they have a job, even if it's not one

597
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: of those three, I think the burden hand thing probably

598
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: does come into play and they say, you know what,

599
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Speaker 2: I've got this opportunity I'm gonna take it. So yeah, again,

600
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Speaker 2: I think the Ravens is the top job. But I

601
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Speaker 2: think that there's just gonna it only adds to the

602
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: level of competition in the mix.

603
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Speaker 1: Well, and just talk about competition, it makes me think,

604
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Speaker 1: you know, Anthony Weavers scheduled reportedly to do a second

605
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Speaker 1: interview with the Steelers if he goes to Pittsburgh and

606
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: they say we want to hire you, right, he's got

607
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: a second interview with the Ravens scheduled. Is Anthony Weaver

608
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: who's been a finalist multiple times now and not gotten

609
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: the job? Does he the willpower to be like, We're

610
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: gonna have to pause on that.

611
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Speaker 2: I want to see what the Ravens, you know, right,

612
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: And reportedly with the Ravens on Tuesday, with the Steelers

613
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Speaker 2: on Wednesday, and so like, and and we don't know

614
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Speaker 2: exactly how long the Ravens, how many candidates they want

615
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Speaker 2: to bring in for second interviews. Steve Pishotti had indicated

616
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Speaker 2: during the press conference last week that I was gonna

617
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Speaker 2: be about four or five finalists. Is that the same number?

618
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Speaker 2: Do they want to wait until the games after this

619
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Speaker 2: weekend and see if you could bring in any of

620
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: those candidates to come in, So there is that element

621
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Speaker 2: of the bird in the hand piece, and I think

622
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Speaker 2: that's going to differ based on every candidate and the

623
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Speaker 2: value of having that opportunity and do you take it

624
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: just when you get the when you get the call

625
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 2: that you can have a head coaching job, do you

626
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Speaker 2: take it? I think that really depends on that individual

627
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: person and their circumstances and all those factors.

628
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Speaker 1: Steelers, who are portedly also bringing Brian Flores in for

629
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Speaker 1: a second interview. That one just makes sense on the surface,

630
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Here's a defensive guy who

631
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Speaker 1: previously coached in Pittsburgh under Mike Tomlin learned from Mike.

632
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Speaker 3: So that one seems to make sense.

633
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: Also, the Browns, just to kind of round out the

634
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Speaker 1: AFC North news here, are also looking for their next

635
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: head coach. Tony Grossi, longtime Browns, reported that they are

636
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: hot on young offensive coaches. Nate schiel Haas has reportedly

637
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: gotten scheduled for a second interview. There's the guy who

638
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: hasn't interviewed here, Grant Udinsky, Yeah, who's the offensive coordinator

639
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, hasn't done an interview with the Ravens, but

640
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: reportedly could go for a second interview there.

641
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Speaker 3: Todd Monkin is there today? Is there today?

642
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Speaker 1: They've also got a second interview report lea schedule with

643
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel Jesse Minterter.

644
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: So Brown's are going about their.

645
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: Business here pretty quickly, but reportedly interested in the young ocs.

646
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard that. But also there's been reports out

647
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: of Cleveland Jim Schwartz, who's been He's interviewed twice there. Yeah,

648
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: so a lot of people think. I think there's a

649
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: general sense amongst fans like, hey, if you hired offensive coach,

650
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: go get Jim Schwartz as your defensive coordinator. He's been

651
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: awesome in Cleveland the past couple of years. Well, hey,

652
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz might get the Cleveland job. And b even

653
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: if he doesn't get the head coaching job, whatever head coach,

654
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: seems like the head coach that they bring in may

655
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Speaker 2: already want to keep him in place there as a defense.

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Speaker 3: Ownership might tell that head coach that they're keeping Jim Shore.

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Speaker 2: So this job comes with Jim as a defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: I'm how that's going to go. Uh But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean we kind of glossed over it. But Todd munkin interview.

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Speaker 2: In their second interview, he is he had previously coached

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Speaker 2: there too as an offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: Well, the reports are also that todm muncan could very

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Speaker 1: easily end up as John Harball's offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: John.

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Speaker 1: The reports are also that Anthony Weaver could end up

666
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Speaker 1: as John Harball's defensive coordinator. Yeah, that's if he obviously

667
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Speaker 1: doesn't get a head coaching job he or the Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: Or wherever those guys. J doesn't get the Browns job exactly,

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Speaker 2: and Weaver doesn't get this job. So yeah, I mean,

670
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Speaker 2: both of them are seemingly finalists for other opportunities, but

671
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Speaker 2: if not, then they could end up in New York

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Speaker 2: back with Harball exactly.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Harball, he had his introductory press conference in

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Speaker 1: New York today and a few just I tuned in

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Speaker 1: to watch that, as I'm sure you did, just interesting nuggets.

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Speaker 1: I mean a I thought that it was just kind

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Speaker 1: of classic John, Like it was like very familiar to

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Speaker 1: the thousands of press conferences that we've watched. Here, you

679
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Speaker 1: can tell he's fired up, like he is excited. You know,

680
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Speaker 1: when Steve A. Shatty was talking about how he felt

681
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Speaker 1: took some solace in the fact that, you know, knowing

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Speaker 1: that when he fired John Harball, he was going to

683
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Speaker 1: end up being just fine. He was going to be

684
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Speaker 1: the bell of the ball and he's going to feel

685
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Speaker 1: the glow of being a new head coach somewhere new

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Speaker 1: And you saw that from John Harball, like he is,

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Speaker 1: he is very happy to be there the New York

688
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Speaker 1: Football Giants, as he made clear, you know, same kind

689
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Speaker 1: of messages, it's all about the team, the team, the team,

690
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Speaker 1: same line that he used eighteen years ago when he came.

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Speaker 3: Here to Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he thanked the Ravens, specifically thanking Steve Bashatti and

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Speaker 1: Ozzie Newsom for helping him kind of, you know, get

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Speaker 1: his start and have so much success here with the

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Speaker 1: Ravens and thanks the players and coaches that he worked

696
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Speaker 1: with and talked about how you know, there's a lot

697
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Speaker 1: of good times and they did a lot of good

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Speaker 1: things together. Also made it clear that he certainly is

699
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Speaker 1: talking to Ravens coaches assistant coaches that he had here

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore about the possibility of bringing them to New York.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I thought one line that stood out to me because

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Speaker 2: Steve Bushatti did talk about maybe John wants to take

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Speaker 2: a year off, and then they had that conversation and

705
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Speaker 2: do you want to take time off? And John said,

706
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Speaker 2: there's no time to take any time off. That's his mindset, like,

707
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Speaker 2: that's his attitude. And that didn't surprise me hearing that

708
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Speaker 2: from him, that he said there's no time to take

709
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Speaker 2: any time off, and he just has kind of that

710
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Speaker 2: workmanlike attitude. Loves football, as he emphasized many times in

711
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Speaker 2: his press conference.

712
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Speaker 3: That basically, if you love football, you love.

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Speaker 2: Playing for the Giants. And that's kind of a horriball

714
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Speaker 2: family matra of right there. And he also said on

715
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Speaker 2: there it was obvious from the beginning that this was

716
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Speaker 2: the job, This was the one that he wanted, and

717
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Speaker 2: the Giants wanted him. And he believes that they have

718
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Speaker 2: a chance to be a playoff team this year and

719
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Speaker 2: then we'll see if that's the case.

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Speaker 1: Talked about how he wanted to be on the biggest stage, Yeah,

721
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Speaker 1: in the biggest sport in New York City and NFL

722
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Speaker 1: football that's as big as it gets. And he you know,

723
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Speaker 1: he likes Jackson Dart talked about that, and I did

724
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Speaker 1: think that it was interesting how He talked about his

725
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: connection with Andy Reid and how he's trying to basically

726
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Speaker 1: pull and Andy Reid. What Andy did after he got

727
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Speaker 1: fired by the e Eagles. Yeah, went to Kansas City,

728
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: won three Super Bowls with them. John said, yeah, let's

729
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: just sign up for that. I'll try and let's do that.

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Speaker 1: And Hey, from Ravens perspective, yeah, let's do that. The

731
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Speaker 1: Eagles won two super Bowls after Andy read Andy Reid

732
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Speaker 1: left too, two different head coaches, So I'd rather be

733
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Speaker 1: with one guy, but I'll take a couple of super bowls.

734
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a move that obviously worked out for

735
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Speaker 2: both sides. The message that Andy gave Harball was change

736
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Speaker 2: can be good, yep. And so Harball's going to get

737
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Speaker 2: another shot in New York. Of course, the Ravens is

738
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Speaker 2: going to get another shot with the new head year.

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Speaker 3: Same message applies to the Ravens. Sometimes change can be good.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

741
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Speaker 2: So we'll take a quick break. When we come back,

742
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Speaker 2: we're gonna have a conversation with our good friend Clifton.

743
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Speaker 3: A Hall of Fame friend. Yes, all done.

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Speaker 2: continue the conversation here on the lounge with a Hall

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Speaker 2: of famer. There's a lot more credentials in the room

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Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, as a good friend of the lounge,

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Speaker 2: our coworker, our buddy here, Clifton Brown, the Hall of

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Speaker 2: Famer joins us. It was just announced this week that

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Speaker 2: cliff is being inducted into the National Black Sports Writers

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. So first of all, let's give it up. Wow.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome man, Thank you so much, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've been hearing from so many people in

764
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Speaker 4: my life that I've worked with. No, that's been the

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Speaker 4: coolest part. Really did Yeah to think bags brought back

766
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Speaker 4: a lot of memories. Yep. And I'm just really humbled,

767
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Speaker 4: I really am.

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Speaker 3: So how's it go down? Did they knock on the

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Speaker 3: hotel door?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: You answer, we'd like to open the dolls.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Canton.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to No They I got a call about four

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Speaker 4: weeks ago that I was nominated. There were ten nominees,

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Speaker 4: so they can only elect no more than five in

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Speaker 4: each class, so I was one of the ten. You

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Speaker 4: have to get a certain percentage of votes. So I

778
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 4: did see the other names on the list and I

779
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 4: told my wife, I'm like, well, I don't think I'm

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Speaker 4: getting the ind but this is nice to be amongst

781
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Speaker 4: this group. And then I got a call last week

782
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 4: from David Squire, who I used to work with his

783
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 4: Sporting News was on the board, and I honestly thought

784
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Speaker 4: he was gonna he was calling me about something else, like,

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00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 4: you know, we're thinking about hiring somebody or you know

786
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Speaker 4: something like that. Can you talk to this kid? And

787
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Speaker 4: he's like, uh, you're a Hall of famer. I'm like,

788
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Speaker 4: what really it was? It was really cool. I was

789
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Speaker 4: really really touched and yeah, it's just yeah again. Then

790
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Speaker 4: you just start thinking about your whole career and things

791
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Speaker 4: you've done. Things. It's just it's kind of overwhelming, honest. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: First ballot, first ballot, the.

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Speaker 2: First ballot guy, well deserved. That's how you know you're

794
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: good when you're on the first balance.

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Speaker 1: Right. So forty five years in the business, Cliff, you

796
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: started the Boca Raton News and Uh, talk to me

797
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Speaker 1: and our listeners about breaking into this business, especially when

798
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Speaker 1: you did, when there weren't a lot of black sports writers.

799
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Speaker 3: What that experience was like for you.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean I just wanted to be a sports writer. Uh.

801
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Speaker 4: Being a black sports writer and being a pioneer trailblazer,

802
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 4: to be honest, wasn't on my mind. I was just

803
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Speaker 4: a kid who wanted to really be a sports writer.

804
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 4: And when I got the job in Boca, Uh, there

805
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Speaker 4: was another black writer on staff, Buyront Dobson. He was

806
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Speaker 4: covering news. I was thankful that he was there. He

807
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Speaker 4: kind of paved the way I thought for me at

808
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Speaker 4: this newspaper. But when I started going out and covering events,

809
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Speaker 4: and then yeah, just certainly that first NFL game at

810
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Speaker 4: the Orange Bowl, a Dolphins game that I was so

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Speaker 4: excited to cover. I was not thinking about being the

812
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Speaker 4: only black person in the press box when I was

813
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Speaker 4: driving down there. But when I walked into that press

814
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Speaker 4: box and looked and people again were staring at me

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Speaker 4: kind of because of what I looked like and they

816
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Speaker 4: didn't know who I was, I was like, Wow, this

817
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Speaker 4: is this is I'm going into new territory. Yea, yeah, so,

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Speaker 4: and unfortunately, there have been a lot of experiences in

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Speaker 4: my life going on where I've been the first and

820
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Speaker 4: even though you know a lot of people look as

821
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Speaker 4: as an honor, you know, it's also well, there should

822
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Speaker 4: have been someone before me that, and it does make

823
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Speaker 4: you feel that you are you have to do things

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Speaker 4: a certain way to kind of help open the door

825
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Speaker 4: for people behind you. And that's always been important to

826
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Speaker 4: me that when I left the job, and when I

827
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Speaker 4: left the place, and when I got promoted, that it

828
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Speaker 4: would leave a door open where no one could say

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Speaker 4: or have a hesitation of not hiring another black person

830
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Speaker 4: because of what I did. I want them to want

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Speaker 4: to hire another black person behind me, because of what I.

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Speaker 2: Did you know one of the areas where you talk

833
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Speaker 2: about being the first. And it's fun talking with you

834
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Speaker 2: about your career because you've covered some of the best

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Speaker 2: at the best Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, of course, the NFL,

836
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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, and then so many great players in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: But going back to being the first, you were the

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Speaker 2: first black sports writer of the New York Times covering

839
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Speaker 2: golf correct, correct, And that was in the nineties and

840
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Speaker 2: Tiger Woods heyday. And I'm curious how big that opportunity

841
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Speaker 2: was for you at the time and what it meant

842
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: for you to be kind of paving the way at

843
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: such an important time for golf and transformative time for

844
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Speaker 2: golf as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny. Some things just happened. Timing is a

846
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 4: lot of life. When things happen, how impactful it is.

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Speaker 4: And I had approached the Sports letter of the New

848
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Speaker 4: York Times about wanting to cover something other than basketball.

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Speaker 4: I had to cover basketball for about twelve years, dating

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Speaker 4: back to Detroit before I got to New York and

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Speaker 4: then in New York, and my ambition was to be

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Speaker 4: a calmist, and so I felt like I didn't want

853
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Speaker 4: to be pigeonholed as someone who could only cover basketball.

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Speaker 4: So I went to my balls and said, look, if

855
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Speaker 4: there's an opening some other sport, I like to try it.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to broaden my portfolio. So he said okay,

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Speaker 4: and then, not even thinking about golf. One day, he

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Speaker 4: called me a few months later said all golf writers

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Speaker 4: leaving and I don't know if you ever thought about this,

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Speaker 4: but would you like to be all golf writer. I'm

861
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Speaker 4: not offering you a job, but it's open. If you

862
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Speaker 4: want to throw your hat in the ring, please do.

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Speaker 4: So I thought about it, talked to my wife. I

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Speaker 4: started looking at some of the places they go. You

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Speaker 4: know I could do, yes, right, So I applied and yeah,

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Speaker 4: it was a coveted job. Larry Dorman, who was a

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Speaker 4: golf adgetized before me, went to work for Callaway Golf,

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Speaker 4: you know Eale Calloway himself. So I got the job.

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Speaker 4: And then yes, when I started covering tournaments, I did

870
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 4: not cover Tiger when he won the Masters. The first time.

871
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 4: The tournament I covered was the first tournament he played

872
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 4: in after he had won that Masters, at the Memorial

873
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 4: in your stomping Grounds. And that's where I met Tiger

874
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 4: Woods in Ohio playing at the memorial. He would have

875
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 4: been told I was coming, but we had never met.

876
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 4: We had a conversation in the clubhouse, and you know

877
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 4: who knew by that time. You know, he had destroyed

878
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 4: the masters and won by so much. We knew this

879
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 4: was like something special. But to really be on the scene,

880
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 4: I've seen him when I saw him whin I think

881
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 4: eleven majors in person, And yeah, it opened up a

882
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 4: whole new world for me, It really did. And yes,

883
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 4: there a lot of times weren't many people who look

884
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 4: like me covering the tournaments or certainly in his gallery

885
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 4: there were, but some of the places I went, yeah,

886
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 4: I mean it could get sometimes, you know, you felt like, Okay,

887
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 4: this is just me, you know, out here. But I

888
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 4: loved it. I really love covering golf. Uh and it

889
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 4: definitely brought my perspective about a lot of things.

890
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: Well, Cliff, you know how I feel about you. You're

891
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: a very skilled writer, and I think one of your

892
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: strengths is being able to connect with people right and

893
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: get to know people, get to know the athletes and

894
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: share their stories. And I think the guy who you

895
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: are speaks you know, everybody reaching out to you to

896
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: congratulate you and even making you a Hall of Fame

897
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: or speaks to the guy. But like, what I'm curious

898
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: to hear is how you're able to do that? Like,

899
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: how how do you connect so well with the people

900
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: that you're interviewing and covering.

901
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 4: I don't think there's a magic formula, Ryan, I mean

902
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: I always look at people though as people. I think

903
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 4: think that being athletes and being so good as at

904
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 4: what they do, we sometimes tend to focus on that

905
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 4: and not that the person behind it, then the person

906
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 4: underneath the helmet, the person in the area. They're just

907
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 4: like us. They're just extremely good at what they do,

908
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 4: and if you can connect with them on another level

909
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 4: other than just what they're able to do, that they're

910
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 4: a person. You know. Access is very important. When I

911
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 4: was covering the NBA, you could talk to guys, you know,

912
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 4: up to an hour and a half before the game.

913
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 4: So Michael Jordan, his routine was to come to the

914
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 4: reader really early, sit in the locker room, have a

915
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 4: couple of coffee, and kind of get mentally prepared for

916
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 4: the game. He wouldn't go out and shoot an hour

917
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 4: and a half before the game. Two hours yeah, he

918
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 4: was already pretty good. He didn't need to do that.

919
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 4: He needed to be mentally right to dominate. But he

920
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 4: also liked to kind of be distracted. So if you

921
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 4: knew him, once he got to know you, you could

922
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 4: talk to Michael Jordan for like a half hour before

923
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 4: any game, wow, up until it was time Okay, you know, Okay,

924
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: now the press has to leave. But yeah, so I

925
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 4: knew this and yeah, so you could have conversations when

926
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 4: you can do that. Golf. One of the things I

927
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 4: love about covering golf is you could talk to guys

928
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 4: at the driving range after they had had, you know,

929
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 4: practice Tiger Woods. He used to want to talk to

930
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 4: me sometimes during a pro am, like if he didn't

931
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 4: like the people he was playing golf with in the

932
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 4: pro am. You're like, I was like a buffer, you know, No,

933
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 4: I got talked to Cliff. You know, like, yeah, So

934
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 4: when you can know people on that level as you know,

935
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 4: as you guys are, then they open up. They feel

936
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 4: they're just talking to you, they will open up.

937
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: What's what's one of your favorite stories from from covering sports?

938
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, there's so many.

939
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: Cliff is like the ultimate dinner party guest, I'll get

940
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: I'll give you a fillibus, You'll give you time to

941
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: think of one. But but he's like, he's got a

942
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 2: million stories of roll off the tongue, and so we'll

943
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: put you on the spot to come up with one.

944
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, the first one. The camp says. We were talking

945
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 4: about Jordan after he came back from his first retirement.

946
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 4: It was like, Okay, he's back. They said, sent me

947
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 4: to write a story on Jordan and about you know,

948
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 4: his comeback to the game. So we were talking. It

949
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 4: was a preseason game in the Quad Cities, Iowa. We're

950
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 4: talking before this preseason game and he's telling me about

951
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 4: making a space jams that summer, and they built him

952
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 4: a bubble so that he could practice between sets where

953
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 4: he could shoot plays. And then all these players started

954
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 4: coming out to the set because they wanted to play

955
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 4: golf for him or basketball with him. And now he

956
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 4: says like, yeah, I'm down to like two hundred and

957
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 4: eighteen pounds, which for some reason that was important to

958
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: him that that's that's his go to weight. And he says,

959
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna come back and I'm gonna be Michael Jordan.

960
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 4: It was a great in it. So I'm walking away

961
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 4: from him, I'm like, thanks you for the time. He

962
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: goes Yo. And he used to call me New York.

963
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 4: He never called me Cliff. He called me new York.

964
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 4: He said new York. I'm like, yeah. He says, when

965
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 4: you get back to New York, you tell Patrick Ewing

966
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 4: he should have won a championship. When I was going

967
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 4: I'm back, I was like holy. I mean, I mean

968
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 4: he was so serious, like figuring out October preseason game.

969
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 4: He's already thinking like I'm like, yeah, that's that's one

970
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 4: that stood out. Yeah, I mean that stands out.

971
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: That was pretty clear.

972
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: The question I always get just in working around these

973
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: guys is also, who's your favorite interview? This is kind

974
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: of similar, but is there who's the best guy to interview?

975
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: What's the favorite interview you've ever done? We get that

976
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: about the lounge all the time. Is there someone that

977
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: stands out to you?

978
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, first name and pout in my mind

979
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 4: was Magic Johnson. I mean Magic Johnson to me, might

980
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 4: be the most positive person I've ever met. Like if Michael,

981
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 4: if Magic Johnson was on the tip, you figured you

982
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 4: were getting off. He'd figured out a way, Like, Yo,

983
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 4: we're gonna be cool, like, you know, I'm not drowning

984
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 4: like and yeah, I thought, well, you know, when he

985
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 4: announced he had aids, people thought he was gonna die

986
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 4: and looking like I'm like, if anybody could do that,

987
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 4: it would be him. And anytime you talked to Maggie Johnson,

988
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 4: you felt like you were the only person he was

989
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 4: talking to, even if there was a group of reporters.

990
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 4: When he answered your question, he always looking eye, he

991
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 4: had that smile, you know, and the way he played

992
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 4: the game, people wanted to play with him. You talk

993
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 4: about people connecting, he was the ultimate guy that when

994
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 4: he when you played with him, he made your game better,

995
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 4: He made the team better. He just he's what you want,

996
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 4: Like people talk about your best player being you know,

997
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 4: the most popular, hardest working. That's who he was. That's

998
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 4: why he want so much. Even now just being an owner,

999
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 4: you know, being connected with the Dodgers, people think about, well,

1000
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 4: he seems like he's always around teams that wins. It's

1001
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 4: because it partly because of him. If you're around him,

1002
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 4: if you bring him into your organization, you feel like

1003
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 4: you're going to win. So yes, I always look forward

1004
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 4: to talking to him because I knew I was gonna

1005
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 4: feel good and I was going to enjoy talking to

1006
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 4: him because that's just kind of person he was.

1007
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: You tell us, you talk about opening doors. What would

1008
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: be your advice to young journalists that are looking to

1009
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: get into this business?

1010
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 4: Just to number one, work hard, try and learn, be

1011
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 4: as versatile as you can. The business is so different

1012
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 4: than when I came into it. I could never have

1013
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 4: envisioned social media the way things are now. I mean,

1014
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 4: I remember when ESPN started, that was like a big deal,

1015
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 4: Like wow, there's like a sports network and like, you know, guys,

1016
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 4: you know Mike, Mike Wilbon, he was in the first

1017
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 4: a Black Schools Writers Hall of Fame. I'm going into

1018
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 4: class behind him. I went to his induction last year.

1019
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 4: And Will Bim was one of the first journalists who

1020
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 4: kind of went from print to TV and kind of

1021
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 4: married the two and you know, broad his scope by

1022
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 4: being a TV star. Well, I remember when you know,

1023
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 4: Mike was just a sports writer. The TV wasn't in

1024
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 4: the equation. ESPN became part of that. Now young people

1025
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 4: watch all dude, they all want to be Stephen A Smith,

1026
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 4: Mike will bomb Blood, which is fine, but you have

1027
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 4: to have build a platform, you have to pay your dues.

1028
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 4: And so I want young journalists to be versatile, hardworking

1029
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 4: and really attack the job with passion. Don't worry about

1030
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 4: where you're going, worry about where you are, and if

1031
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: you do the job where you are, it will lead

1032
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 4: to other things. So the Black Sports Writers Hall of

1033
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 4: Fame is a part of North Carolina a and Tease

1034
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 4: School of Journalism. And so this isn't just about you know,

1035
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 4: pumping our chest and recognizing black sports writer. It's about

1036
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 4: inspiring generations of journalists, sports writers, media behind us. We

1037
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 4: want these young people to see people like us who

1038
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 4: have had a career to help them do it, be

1039
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 4: there to counsel them, guide them. So that's a part

1040
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 4: of it. That to me is more important than just

1041
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 4: you know, recognizing our history and people in it. It's

1042
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 4: about inspiring the next people who will come along. So

1043
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 4: you know, twenty years from now, there'll be others sitting

1044
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 4: in your chair, sitting in my chair. That's what we

1045
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 4: want to that's what we want to grow.

1046
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 3: Alome, last question for me, who are the Ravens going

1047
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 3: to hire something?

1048
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 4: I'm not looking. We all want to know, but I

1049
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 4: mean it is interesting to me that you know, the

1050
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 4: Ravens have not been in this position for such a

1051
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 4: long time and we see the impact that a coaching

1052
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 4: change can have. I mean, you look at the team

1053
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 4: still in it, you know, you look at what a

1054
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 4: lot of young coaches now and or first time or

1055
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 4: even second time coaches, they're having an instant impact. It

1056
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 4: can happen. There's so much parody in the league now.

1057
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 4: To me, last year, what you did last year does

1058
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 4: not have to be your story at all next year.

1059
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 4: And so the Ravens are looking for that coach not

1060
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 4: only long term but short term to help elevate the

1061
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 4: Ravens to where we all know that they want to

1062
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 4: go and I feel like have the talent to go,

1063
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 4: So I obviously don't know what they're going to do.

1064
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 4: It is to me really fascinating. This is a fascinating

1065
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 4: time to me making a change from someone who was

1066
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 4: here for eighteen years, It's going to be really interesting

1067
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 4: to see what happens when they make the decision.

1068
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: Well, congratulations, Cliff. It's no coincidence that you're wearing gold

1069
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: shirt kind of today. The gold jackets in production that

1070
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 1: we're gonna get for you all righty, buddy, he's gonna

1071
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: walk around. He's walking into the locker room every time

1072
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: with a gold jacket.

1073
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 2: I get him a gold jacket walking around.

1074
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you we wear that one hundred. Thank you so much, Cliff.

1075
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 4: Thanks for having congrat so much we learned.

1076
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 2: As always, you can email us in the lounge at

1077
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: Ravens that NFL t net. Thank you so much for listening.

1078
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: We'll continue to break down everything throughout this process as

1079
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 2: the Ravens look for their next head coach, so stay

1080
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: tuned for more to come in the next few days.