1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 2: Welcome in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: I hope all of you are having fantastic Thursdays wherever 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: you may be. Encourage you to go subscribe to the podcast. 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: Start out Clay Travis, Start out buck Sexton. Also, go 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: download the iHeartRadio app. And you want to keep up 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: with all the goings ons associated with the show, you 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: can go to Clay Andbuck dot com and see everything there. 10 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 3: All right, So I. 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 4: Want to open up phone lines here in this hour 12 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 4: eight hundred and. 13 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: Two eight two two eight eight two, And I think 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: probably for some of you out there who did not 15 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: hear all of the Mike Pence fireworks yesterday, we probably 16 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: should Buck at some point play that because our friends 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: at the View are even reacting to our show yesterday. 18 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 3: I think I think t it up. I think I 19 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: think play it now. A little reminder scent here. I'm 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: trying to I'm try out of throwing the towel. I'm 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: trying to invoke the mercy rules. Mercy we play before 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: we play this. 23 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 2: What was your head headspace as the Mike Pence conversation 24 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: got increasingly more and more contentious. 25 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 4: Did you feel like you needed to throw in it? 26 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: Like, at what point did you start thinking, oh, this 27 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: is a lot more tension than I expected. 28 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 3: Third, third round of the of the question, I was like, oh, boy, 29 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 3: you know, follow up totally normally, gotta follow up, gotta 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 3: press when you went to the third time and yeah, really, 31 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: just for me, it felt like it's that point in 32 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 3: the MMA match where one guy kind of goes a 33 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 3: little limp and you know it's over, and I'm uh, 34 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 3: I'm that guy who has to throw his body in 35 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: the middle for a second there because you know, we're 36 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: trying to trying to keep it are. 37 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: For people out there, Like again, I really was so 38 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: in disbelief that Mike Pence tried to go in this direction. 39 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: So let's play the audio so you guys can't hear it. 40 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: We'll play let's maybe the short version, Yeah, the short 41 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: version of And by the way, if you want to 42 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: go here the longer version, you can always go to 43 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: clayanbuck dot com. You can certainly go grab the podcast. 44 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: But here is the fireworks yesterday with former Vice President 45 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: Mike Pence on the show that has blown up and 46 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: everybody's reacting to all over the media landscape today. Here's 47 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: what you missed if you weren't listening yesterday, with all 48 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: due respect, when you aren't telling us what your decision 49 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: would be, I think you're dodging the question and frankly 50 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: not stepping up on the on the front of leadership, 51 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: which in the past you've been willing to do so 52 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: to me, not answering as a no. 53 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 5: Well, look, number one, I don't think you know what 54 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 5: the president's defense is, do you. I mean, what are 55 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 5: the facts? I mean, Look, we either believe in our 56 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 5: judicial process in this country or we don't. We either 57 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 5: stand by the rule of law we don't. I just 58 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 5: thought what I would tell you is, I think, as someone. 59 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 2: What I'm hearing is you're fine with Donald Trump being 60 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: put in prison, sir. And that to me, and you 61 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: were his vice president, feels pretty disrespectful. 62 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 5: I had a standard rule. I don't talk about hypotheticals. Look, 63 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 5: we don't know what the president's defense here is. I 64 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 5: think he's entitled to make his defense, entitled to have 65 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 5: his day in court, and uh, look let's you know, 66 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 5: let's take it one step at a time. But I 67 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 5: would just tell you that. I I but if. 68 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: You know that these are political charges and you do, 69 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: this is not this is not a difficult decision. 70 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 4: I think we've made. 71 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 3: I think we've gotten. 72 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 4: I think we've gotten what we're going to get here 73 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 4: in terms of an answer to this one. 74 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think any I think any conclusion by anyone, right. 75 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: Right, we can we can cut we can cut it 76 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: off there because he keeps kind of dancing around the question. 77 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: Well that was the third Just to be clear, that 78 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: was the third time that that you pressed him on 79 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: that on that question, and I you know, I did ask. Look, 80 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 3: I think that here's here's something that that is. I 81 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: think that's what Pence really believes because I think he 82 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: feels like Donald Trump betrayed him. I think that he 83 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: feels like Donald Trump left him high in and can 84 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: I just once I know you're fired up about this, 85 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: but just say that then that's the part of it. 86 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: Be like this guy left me. I'm his VP, he 87 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: left me high and dry. Because again, folks, I'm I'm 88 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: telling you what I believe the former vice president really thinks. 89 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 6: Here. 90 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know when he's talking about process or we 91 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 3: have to wait to see you know, we know, we 92 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 3: know what happened here. We also know I think that 93 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 3: on the pure if you're taking a legal is formalism 94 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: the right way to describe this, maybe. 95 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 4: You know they actually is yeah, that's accurate. 96 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 3: Ye, no law school necessary for this guy. He just 97 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: googles this stuff. But if you have a legal formalist 98 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 3: approach to this, I think everyone needs to understand. The 99 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 3: obstruction defense for Trump is he's in a lot of 100 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: trouble on that. On that, if you're going to argue 101 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: about whether you know, if a court says you have 102 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: to return the following things, there are actions you can 103 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 3: take not returning It is our point, or the point 104 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 3: that I think everybody is to make about this is yeah, 105 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 3: but they're doing this to Trump. And even Bill Barr 106 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: when he was making the case about this on Brett 107 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 3: Bear Show, he was saying that there is a double 108 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 3: standard here, and for a lot of us, we're just like, no, 109 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 3: we're not gonna there is a double standard. Isn't enough. 110 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: If a double standard means our guy goes down while 111 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 3: there guys and gal so to speak, go free, that 112 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: is unilateral political disarmament on process crimes here, which Bill 113 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: Clinton should have gone to prison for. If we're letter 114 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 3: of the law, Hillary Clinton should have gone to prison for. 115 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 3: Joe Biden still should probably based on the latest allegations 116 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: and evidence that we're waiting to see here from the FBI, 117 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: certainly his son should go. Like so, how many of 118 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: these times can we see one side gets away with 119 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: everything and our side gets jammed up on the process crime? 120 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: Even the Muller probe? What was the Muller probe really 121 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 3: all about nailing people for process crimes? Because there was 122 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 3: no substance to it. I mean they sent like Papadopoulos 123 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 3: get like two weeks in prison for lying about what 124 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: he had for breakfast. Effectively, it was garbage. 125 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: If Mike penns Head said, I believe Donald Trump is 126 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: not worthy of being re elected as president, and I 127 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: think he should have to take his medicine if a 128 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 2: court convicts him, and I don't think it's my job 129 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 2: or any other Republican candidate's job to pardon him if 130 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: he's convicted. 131 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 4: I would disagree. But that's at least. 132 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 2: An answer when you're trying to kind of float here 133 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: on what his answer was, in particular, because his brand 134 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 2: buck is I'm the guy who's willing to make hard decisions, 135 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: even if they're unpopular, because I'm willing to stand on 136 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 2: my beliefs. And then you to me disrespect this audience 137 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: by not telling us what your position on this actually is. 138 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 4: I just think I couldn't. I couldn't let. 139 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,559 Speaker 2: Him not answer, and and that's why I just kept, 140 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: you know, going after him over the I think. 141 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: A lot of people listening would feel like if if 142 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 3: they were my honestly, think about this, if you were 143 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: Mike Pence and you had gone through what he went 144 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: through from his perspective, put aside your politics or anything else, 145 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: I think you'd be really upset at Donald Trump. Yeah, 146 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: did you get it? And so and so. That's fine. 147 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: I mean, you know you could feel you certainly feel 148 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: that way. But if you're if you want to be 149 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: the commander in chief of the United States for four years, 150 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: I think you have to be willing to come out 151 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: and say what everyone knows you think. But you're not 152 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: really willing to do it because you want to sort 153 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: of have a little bit of both sides in the process. 154 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: And what I would point to Buck here is, remember 155 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: Ted Cruz, nobody got savaged more by by Donald Trump 156 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: than Ted Cruz in the twenty sixteen primary. Not only 157 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: did Donald Trump go after him, he went after his dad, 158 00:07:58,920 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: he went after his wife. 159 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 3: I mean, it was nasty. 160 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 4: And what did Ted Cruz do when Donald Trump got elected? 161 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: Ted Cruz could have been a whiny little brat who 162 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: was upset about how nasty the twenty sixteen campaign was. Instead, 163 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: to his credit, Ted Cruz manned up and he said, 164 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: this guy's the president. I'm gonna bust my ass to 165 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: be the most effective Senator I can for the state 166 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: of Texas and my constituents, even if maybe my feelings 167 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: are hurt, and even maybe if I feel like Donald 168 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: Trump didn't treat me fairly to me, That's what I 169 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: wanted to hear from Mike Pence, like, look, I'm mad 170 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: at Trump. Be mad at him because of what happened 171 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: on January sixth and the way you think he was treated. 172 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: But being mad at someone and not standing on principle 173 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: is the opposite of what I want whoever is in 174 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: that behind that resolute desk to do. 175 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: People can disagree with Bill Barr for example, Yeah, he's 176 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 3: telling you where he really stands on this stuff, Like 177 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: he's not. He's saying look, yeah, I work for the guy. 178 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 3: I quit. I disagreed with some of the stuff at 179 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 3: the end about the election. I defended him and he 180 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: did and I remember it very strenuously against the Muller probe, 181 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 3: which is really why I think, you know, he was 182 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: willing to take the job in the first place. And 183 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 3: he's like, this is where I am on this. He's 184 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 3: like Trump. Bill Barr's point on this is he broke 185 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 3: the law and he brought it on himself. Now you 186 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: can disagree with that, but Bill Barr's coming out and 187 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 3: saying it. You can say that you think that that's 188 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 3: you know, terrible wrong, whatever, but he's saying, and I 189 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 3: feel like you're your problem. Yesterday with or the part 190 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 3: that brought out the the ferociousness of Clay Travis for 191 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 3: a moment, which is not a very common sight, by 192 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: the way, was that he wasn't willing to tell us 193 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 3: what he really that Pence wasn't willing to say it. 194 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: You know, that's why we'll have Chris Christy and some 195 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 3: of you, I know are going to get mad at 196 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: us for even having Chris Christy on the show. He's 197 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: running for president. He says what he thinks he's willing 198 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 3: to make the case. Now, we'll ask him questions. If 199 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 3: he says things that we disagree with or think are unfair, 200 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 3: we'll push back on him. There'll probably be some fireworks, 201 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: and probably we're not going to hide from this stuff 202 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 3: because I actually don't. I don't think it's good. I 203 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: don't think it's good for Trump or any of us, 204 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: anyone who really believes in him in the media, to 205 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 3: just hide from all of the arguments that are out 206 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: there and create some echo chamber. All of that said, 207 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: the View, the ladies of have you heard this? 208 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: I have no idea what we're about to play. This 209 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: happened just in the last hour on the View, right. 210 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 2: Have you heard this audio. 211 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 3: At all time? 212 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 6: I have not. 213 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 3: I have not heard the audio. But they were speaking 214 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: about us, talking about how wise and handsome we are. Yeah, 215 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to hearing that. Here is one of 216 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 3: the co hosts of the View play it. 217 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 7: You can't miss in this that that's one of the 218 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 7: most listened to right wing radio shows in the country, 219 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 7: and they're essentially making the argument in twenty twenty three, 220 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 7: the year of Our Lord, that because you think DOJ 221 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 7: might be a little political you throw out all the 222 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 7: crimes that are listed in this indictment. Like that's the 223 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 7: first side of the absurdity here, and that there's a 224 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 7: lot of people who actually believe that. 225 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: Can I just say every single Democrat nodding at that table, 226 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: every single Democrat in that audience and watching at home, 227 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 3: the live audience and watching at home went along with 228 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 3: the Oh, come on, Hillary's running for president. Let's forget 229 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 3: about the Espionagac statute in this case. It doesn't make 230 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 3: it's not big enough. We need to let the election 231 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: play out without exception. They all made that case, and 232 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 3: now they're gonna sit there like, oh, but look, the 233 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 3: law's the law, and they're making this absurd case about 234 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: the politicization of it. It's not absurd. This goes to 235 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 3: the very center of do we have a justice system 236 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 3: or not? If only one side bears the consequences of 237 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 3: the letter of the law, then we do not have 238 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: a justice system. We have a political persecution system. Amen. 239 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 4: I agree with all of that. 240 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: And the other thing I would say, so did they 241 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: play our audio? I guess they played the audio, and 242 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 2: then she I appreciate whoever, I think that's Alyssa Fara Griffin. 243 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, I think I recognize her voice. 244 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: She's the concerent sservative on the view quotation marks there. 245 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: I appreciate the fact I don't think she says she's 246 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: in a conservative right. I think she's like, you know, 247 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: a little of the left of Paul Ryan. Would she 248 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: describe herself as a conservative? It's a great question. I 249 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: don't know, But I appreciate the fact that she told 250 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: the view audience what is the truth? Which is this 251 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: show has a massive audience. True, A big part of 252 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: that the legacy of Rush and the honesty that he 253 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: shared with you every single day. But I like to think, 254 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: as we come up on the two year anniversary of 255 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 2: us being in these chairs, sitting behind these microphones, that 256 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: a lot of you have come to agree like you 257 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: may not agree with us on a day to day basis, 258 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: but we're going to tell the truth to you in 259 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: a way that doesn't exist very frequently in much of 260 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 2: the rest of the media. But I think that's the 261 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: essence of this right. Pence seems to believe that the 262 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: Republican contingent out there is of the opinion that the 263 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: justice system is fair. They said we either have rule 264 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 2: of law we don't. That's the problem. I don't think. 265 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 4: I'm saying this is a lawyer. 266 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: I don't think we have a fair, impartial justice system. 267 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: And if we do not, then I do not believe 268 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 2: you can sit on the sideline and just say, well, 269 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: we got to just wait and see how all this 270 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: plays out. No, we have to take up arms against 271 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: metaphorically speaking, the absurdity of what is going on right 272 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: now with the weaponization of the justice system against one 273 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: particular political party, and to a large extent one right 274 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: now head of that party. But it's not going to 275 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 2: be just Trump. This is coming for everybody. We've said, 276 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: the Santus start trying to arrest him for kidnapping, which 277 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: is completely insane. I would just note, and I think, 278 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: and I've heard this from people, and it's a worthwhile 279 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: point to make the same voices right now, the same 280 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: Democrat voices that are saying. 281 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 3: The laws, the law, we need, the rule of law, 282 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 3: and Trump used to go to prison for one hundred years. 283 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: Are people who have you said to them, Okay, fine, fine, 284 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: you know what, We'll go along with this. You're right, 285 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: laws of law, let's lock up a former president for 286 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 3: decades because he had some documents in a shower that 287 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: nobody saw that he thought were his because of his interpretation. Whatever, right, 288 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 3: let's go along with that. I'm glad we've established the 289 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 3: law as the law. What are we going to do 290 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 3: with all the illegal immigrants in this country in violation 291 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: of federal law who are supposed to be deported? And 292 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 3: you know what they'll all do? All the more a 293 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: nation of immigrants and people with ties to the commit 294 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 3: federal law says they are subject to deportation, all of 295 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 3: them in the country illegally. What are we going to 296 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 3: do about them? And all of a sudden you'll get 297 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: all these arguments human rights, basic decency, nation of immigrants, 298 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: the statue of liberty. But hold on a second clay. 299 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 3: I thought the law was the law. It's a great point. 300 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: The law has always been subject to a great deal 301 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: of discretion, and the discretion that is being exercised right 302 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: now is, in my opinion, indefensible. And look, buck people 303 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: are focusing on Vivek Aramaswami saying this. I was before 304 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: Vivek a month ago. People listened to our interview with DeSantis. 305 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: I asked this question, but I came on and I said, 306 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: I think every Republican running, But long before this became 307 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: a story, I said on the show, every Republican running, 308 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: as a matter of principle, needs to say they will 309 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 2: not let Donald Trump go to prison. And I'm sticking 310 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: to it. 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Play ten. 345 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 8: Anyone who's talking about pardonning Trump is doing a two 346 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 8: step straight off a cliff. If you're a candidate running 347 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 8: against somebody that is forty points ahead of you. If 348 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 8: you're talking about pardoning him, if you're talking about you 349 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 8: know why he's innocent, all you're doing is defending him. 350 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 8: You're clearly not serious about running against him. And that's 351 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 8: what I'm most shocked about with all these candidates. Donald 352 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 8: Trump is for Donald Trump. He stands for Trump. It's 353 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 8: it's all about him, it's his show all the time. 354 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 8: The rest of these Republican candidates need to separate, not 355 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 8: just themselves, but the entire party. 356 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: I don't understand this line of argument. No one's saying 357 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: you can't run your own campaign, but the pardon clay 358 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 3: is about what's right for the country. Yeah, this is 359 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 3: I think Sanunu is missing the boat here. 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Did you guys see like I know 383 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 2: that some people say, oh, you know, COVID's over, It's 384 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: ridiculous to even talk about anything relating to COVID, But 385 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure that we talked about this 386 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 2: and the fact that it still isn't going away, Buck. 387 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 4: There was a dispute lately. 388 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: I think we talked about this a little bit on 389 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 2: the air that basically the Biden administration refuses to acknowledge 390 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: that two year olds should never have been wearing masks, right, 391 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: That it was totally absurd that they were ever required 392 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: to wear masks like. 393 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 4: This is basic. 394 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: The most the most bare bones analysis would say, Buck, 395 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: that any two year old ever required to wear a 396 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 2: mask was a failure of American public policy. 397 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 3: It was child abuse, yes, And I think we popularized 398 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 3: that phrase in response to it on this show more 399 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 3: than anyone else. We said here first, I stand by 400 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 3: it one hundred percent. And people who were, you know, 401 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 3: pushing for that and actively almost enjoying the masking of 402 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 3: their small children should do a lot of soul searching 403 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 3: for why they're incapable of independent thought and reason and rational, 404 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 3: rational approaches to things. But it's kind of funny, is 405 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 3: we city we're talking about shatu year olds have been masked. 406 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 3: Nobody should have been masked. Correct Ever, they were wrong 407 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 3: about all of it. That's why they don't talk about 408 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 3: it anymore. Everybody it was all stupid. Every person was 409 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: like mask up Save Lives is not as smart as 410 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 3: they thought, no doubt. 411 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 2: However, Gerald Nadler, Congressman from New York, actually went on 412 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: the House floor yesterday. 413 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: Buck and Twinkie enthusiast. Yes, he was on the house. 414 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: Yes, he went on the House floor yesterday, and he 415 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: said that it was child abuse if parents didn't insist 416 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: that the two year old to wore a mask. This 417 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: is not from July of twenty twenty. This is yesterday. 418 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: These people were wrong, and they need to be held 419 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: responsible for the biggest public policy failure of our life. 420 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 2: And they're still claiming they were right yesterday on the 421 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 2: House floor. Representative Gerald Nadler, Democrat from New York. 422 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 9: Listen, it protects against transmission of the disease to the 423 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 9: next person, and the healthcare worker certainly ought to be 424 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 9: required to be vaccinated. And when we have a pandemic 425 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 9: like COVID nineteen pandemic that we had, two year olds 426 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 9: should have been required to wear a mask. It would 427 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 9: be child abuse for parents not to do that because 428 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 9: there was no vaccination available for two year olds. 429 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 3: Do you think Buck that he is this dumb? It's tough? 430 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 3: How is it possible? Three years later? I mean, I 431 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 3: think Nadler is capable of both maximum dishonesty and maximum stupidity. 432 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 3: So it's really hard separate the two. You know which 433 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 3: one is it? More? Look, everything he said there is 434 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 3: so obviously wrong that it's it's it's kind of hard 435 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 3: to even wrap your head around how somebody could be 436 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 3: saying that at this point in time. This is a 437 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 3: member of you know, the Democrats in Congress. And this 438 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 3: is why I think this matter is still I know 439 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: a lot of people are like, move on from COVID. 440 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 3: Why do you still I'm still I am still angry 441 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 3: about it. I'm not even just and I know you 442 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 3: are too. I am now you suffered less from the 443 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 3: madness than I had to, so I have more scars 444 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 3: from the COVID lunacy. But you and I both see 445 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 3: it this way, that what they did was unforgivable, it 446 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 3: was wrong, and they're gonna do it again if they can. Everybody. 447 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: I don't think people have really processed that quite the 448 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 3: way that they should. There are already some efforts to 449 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 3: put in place to adjust pandemic planning to because one 450 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 3: way they're going to try to pretend like they got 451 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 3: this right is to change the old pandemic playbook to 452 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 3: reflect what we did this last time. So then going forward, it's, oh, 453 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 3: we know what to do. We do what we did 454 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 3: during COVID nineteen, which is the opposite, of course, of 455 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 3: what it should have been done. It should have basically 456 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 3: the people in the beginning were like, we can't do 457 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 3: anything about this. You should just you know, do your 458 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 3: best and try to try to stay away from people 459 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 3: if you're really, you know, in bad health. Otherwise let 460 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 3: it rip. That was actually the truth, which people just 461 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 3: weren't willing to hear at the time. 462 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 4: And we would have gotten through this way faster. 463 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 3: Right. 464 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: All we did was prolong the discomfort for the nation 465 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 2: while changing virtually none of the outcome. And the fact 466 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: that this has still not been that there still hasn't 467 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: been a reckoning. And look, Mike pens and Donald Trump 468 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: got everything wrong with COVID right March April May twenty 469 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen days to stop the spread. Fifteen days to 470 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: stop the spread was one of the worst decisions that 471 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 2: any president has made in our life. Now, I think 472 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 2: Trump got to the better place right. He then started 473 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 2: to fight to open the country back up. I think 474 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: he recognized that fifteen days to stop the spread didn't work. 475 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 2: But I still remember Buck, as I'm sure you do, 476 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: Mike Pence standing up there with that binder saying, Hey, 477 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 2: here's the story of what we're going to try to do. 478 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 2: I'm going to head the White House Task Force on 479 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 2: the coronavirus, and this is going to require fifteen days 480 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 2: to stop the spread. Fifteen days to stop the spread 481 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: did nothing other than set in place the premise that 482 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 2: the country should shut down without any real opposition from anyone. 483 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 3: Remember what they did. They got compliance, and then they 484 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 3: changed the rationale. They did this over and over again, 485 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 3: fifteen days to slow the spread. They sold to people 486 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 3: like me who kept saying, okay, so in fifteen days, 487 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 3: we all just get COVID, Like, what's the difference, Yeah, 488 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 3: he said, no, no, no, it's about getting our hospitals ready. 489 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 3: And then once they got close to the end of 490 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 3: the fifteen days, it was we're not quite ready. Ye, 491 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 3: let's do another fifteen Yeah, and let's do another fifteen 492 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 3: And then it turned in to essentially, let's do a 493 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 3: quasi lockdown. It was never even a true lockdown until 494 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 3: we have vaccines, and that then became the unofficial but 495 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 3: real policy of the federal government. And I think this 496 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 3: is also this is as things get tighter here, this 497 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 3: is going to be litigated more in the Republican primary 498 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 3: because there were mistakes made. There were mistakes made by 499 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 3: various candidates that they're going to point out or pointed at, 500 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 3: and we need to be very clear on this. There 501 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 3: are gonna be people who pushed Trump, particularly on the 502 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 3: vaccine issue. I have to go and see. There have 503 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 3: been a lot of times where Trump has said the 504 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: vaccine saved everybody. That is not true correct, So I 505 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 3: think he's I think he's changed on that a little bit. 506 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: You know you just said recently. I think I I 507 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 3: was on another radio show he said, you know, some 508 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 3: of the people I hired were really bad when he 509 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 3: was president. And I said, here I go. Whenever I 510 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 3: said he had some bad hires, I get people that 511 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: email me right away and say, why are you saying 512 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 3: that Trump only hires the best people? And I think 513 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 3: I don't know if they're serious or if they're just 514 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 3: trolling me. I'm like, Trump says he hired bad people, 515 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 3: like not all of them, but some of them. And 516 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 3: I think Trump has started to say on the vaccines 517 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 3: that they weren't. I have to go back and see 518 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 3: what the latest is from, but I think he's I 519 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 3: think he has moved his position a little bit on 520 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 3: the vaccines. I think he sees RFK Junior getting a 521 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 3: lot of traction from a lot of Trump voters on 522 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 3: the vaccine component. 523 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 2: I think this is also the advantage of being on 524 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: the road, because I think Trump's best political gift is 525 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 2: he can intuit the mood of a nation and he 526 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 2: can intuit the mood of a nation by to a 527 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 2: large extent being out on the road and seeing what 528 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 2: people respond to, almost like a great comic would, right, 529 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: Why does the stand up comic refine and get his 530 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 2: performance art down to a science because he recognizes if 531 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 2: he tweaks the punchline just a little bit. 532 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 3: The laughs are way better. 533 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: And a politician, ultimately, you're in the business of building 534 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: the biggest possible audience to support the things that you support. 535 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: And I think Trump has been a little bit surprised 536 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 2: when he's out on the road because of the reaction 537 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 2: and how vociferously negative it is associated with the COVID 538 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 2: shots in general. Remember it wasn't very long ago he 539 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 2: was bringing up the CEO of Johnson and Johnson, if 540 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: I remember correctly, onto the stage to brag about the 541 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: success of the COVID shot. 542 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 4: And then everybody booed. 543 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 2: And I think he's kind of started to recognize now 544 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 2: his credit. He was never in favor of mandates, but 545 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 2: I think he's starting to focus now more on I 546 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: never mandated them, as opposed to they're the greatest human 547 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 2: creation of all time. 548 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 3: It was Trump base that boode that time we're talking about, Yes, 549 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: it was too soon to be three time Trump voters. 550 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 3: I think he listens to them. I think he understands 551 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 3: when they're speaking to him. You know, this is like 552 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: family talk at the dinners. You gotta hear them out. 553 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 3: So on the vaccines, we're gonna see a shit. He's 554 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 3: already started to shift. 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But also we have great 596 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 3: podcast guests that aren't on the radio side, only on 597 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 3: the digital Pete Hegseth I released that one today. Friend 598 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 3: of mine, friend of Clay's. Pete's a great guy. We 599 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 3: know each other from the very start in this business. 600 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 3: He just come out of the military. I'd come out 601 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 3: of the CIA, and as you know, he's a Fox 602 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 3: and Friends Weekend host. So that's on the play in 603 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: Buck podcast feed, which is available on the iHeartRadio app. 604 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 3: All right, now we have Kathy in Greensboro, North Carolina. Cathy, 605 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 3: you got thoughts, We got ears talk to us. 606 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 6: Okay. I just want to let you know that I 607 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 6: took a little bit of issue with you guys yesterday 608 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 6: when you said that if Trump had handled things differently, 609 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 6: he wouldn't have been charged with this. I disagree. I 610 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 6: think they're going to charge him with anything they can. 611 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 6: I think the devil is in the details. It's exactly 612 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 6: what documents is it he has. It got everybody's panties 613 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 6: in a wad because when you look at some of 614 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 6: the pictures, it's just like newspaper articles and things like that. 615 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 6: And I don't understand why we're letting some low level 616 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 6: librarian from the National Archives dictate that a president gets 617 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 6: charged with something. 618 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 3: So, Kathy, I think we may have a little a 619 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 3: little more agreement with you on this than it then 620 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 3: came across. Insofar as they've already charged him in New York, 621 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 3: which we think is completely bogus and absurd, and there's 622 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 3: nothing that's total. They're probably going to charge him in Atlanta, 623 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 3: which is totally bogus. We totally agree that they were 624 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 3: going to charge him no matter what on the specifics 625 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 3: of the mar A Lago document situation. It's made easier 626 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 3: for them than we would like it to be to 627 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 3: try to make this case based on the obstruction component 628 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 3: of it and the subpoena and the actions after the subpoena. 629 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 3: Now we haven't seen the evidence yet, right, We've been 630 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 3: told things like they have a video where or audio 631 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 3: where he says he didn't do classify this, and they 632 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 3: have text messages where he says basically hide this stuff. 633 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 3: So they were going to charge him anyway. We totally 634 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,719 Speaker 3: agree with you on that. I think that, you know, 635 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 3: I just kind of wish things have been a little 636 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 3: bit different in the response to the subpoena because it's 637 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 3: a process crime, yes, but this is what they do, Kathy. 638 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 3: The libs jam us up with process crimes whenever they can. 639 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 6: Well, why doesn't the National Archives people pack up the 640 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 6: stuff and tell them what they can take and what 641 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 6: they can't take. Why do they look? 642 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 4: Kathy? I am with you, thank you for the call. 643 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 2: This total bs right, like we are trying to put 644 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: the President of the United States former president and potential 645 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: next president of the United States in prison for the 646 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 2: rest of his life because of a paperwork dispute. That's 647 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 2: what this is right now, What Buck and I were 648 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 2: saying is if he had just recognized that they're trying 649 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 2: to trap him, because that's what they're trying to do. 650 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 3: Right, We're going for the cover up, folks, The non 651 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 3: crime cover up is what they're really gonna try to 652 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 3: nail him on. 653 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 4: Which they have popped a lot of people on. 654 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: Right, when you're obstructing something that's not even a crime, arguably, 655 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 2: that's what they're trying to pop you on. 656 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 4: So can I just say, this is what they nail 657 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 4: is not that great? 658 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 3: This is what they nailed everybody who went to prison, 659 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 3: even for a short while around the Russia collusion stuff, 660 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 3: it was either lying during the course of the investigation 661 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 3: or in the case of Manaford, I think it was 662 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 3: like taxes, Oh yeah, you mean like Hunter Biden that 663 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 3: had nothing to do with Russia collusion. It was, oh, 664 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 3: you lied to us about something in this investigating There 665 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 3: was no crime, there was no Russia collusion, but you 666 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 3: lied to us. Not only is the process the punishment 667 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 3: sometimes the process creates the crimes in the first place. Folks, 668 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 3: Why do you think they had a special counsel with 669 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 3: member this with Valerie Plame and Dick Cheney. Nobody thought 670 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 3: that she was in some terrible danger in the whole 671 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, what's gonna happen? They knew right away? 672 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 3: Who the name? Why did they conduct that special council 673 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 3: investigation Clay so they could try to get chainey on perjury? 674 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 3: That's it? And or or what's his name? 675 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 6: You know? 676 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 3: Uh sco car Carlo? Sorry, well, Scooter Libby is the 677 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 3: one that they actually jammed up. 678 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 2: But this is why you also don't ever talk to 679 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 2: the FBI without an attorney. Like people think, Oh, I'm 680 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 2: just gonna talk my way out of it. It's no 681 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 2: big deal. They're trying to trap you. What do they 682 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: do to Michael Flynn? Everybody pretty sure Ali literally textans 683 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 2: texas they do. 684 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 3: To Michael Flynn. Did Michael Flynn do anything wrong? No? 685 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 3: Did Michael Flynn General Flynn honors honorably serviced country for 686 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,760 Speaker 3: over thirty years, Head of di I, et cetera. Yes, 687 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 3: will they nail him on his remembrance of a phone call? 688 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 3: Why speaking to the FBI because he Now that's even 689 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 3: dirtier because you're the incoming national security advisor. You think 690 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 3: you and the FBI are on the same team. Uh 691 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 3: uh not in this deep state democrat world we live 692 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 3: in now. But you see this WI we're talking about, 693 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 3: they nail people on the process crimes because they've said 694 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 3: this is when we talk about weaponizing the system, it 695 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 3: means using the system itself as a trap. You bring 696 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 3: all this nonsense over like a non criminal thing, but 697 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 3: you hope through pressure and machinations you can get something 698 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 3: in the core of whether it's obstruction or a lie 699 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 3: or whatever. That's what we're talking about. 700 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 2: And you know who knows this better than anybody, Buck 701 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 2: Mike Pince, which is why I'm still so fired up 702 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 2: at him that he wasn't willing to admit all this 703 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 2: and say I'm gonna stand on principle over the politics 704 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 2: where they're trying to put away Trump. 705 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 3: David in Bakersfield, California, You want to weigh in on this, David, 706 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 3: what's going on? 707 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 10: Hey, guys, real quick, A scenario if let's just say 708 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 10: Biden wins in twenty four and he's unable to finish 709 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 10: his term and Kamala gets the nod for president, what's 710 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 10: to stop her for bringing in Davin Newsoon as the 711 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 10: vice president to give him a leg upanasy. 712 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's interesting the theory there would be 713 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 2: the same thing that would keep potentially Trump and DeSantis 714 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 2: from being on the same ticket, which is there's an 715 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 2: Eleventh Amendment issue with both people being from the same state. 716 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 2: And we talked about that earlier on why if I 717 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 2: were Gavin Newsom right, if I were Evil Keanu Reeves's advisor, 718 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 2: I would tell him, if you want to be president, 719 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 2: you should get in this race and go head to 720 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 2: head with Biden, because I think he might well win 721 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 2: this nomination, and if Kamala is the next man up right, 722 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 2: which he is, then it's going to be more difficult 723 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 2: if Biden wins reelection. I wonder partly buck whether Evil 724 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: Keanu Reeves actually would prefer Biden to lose and Trump 725 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 2: to win and he gets to run then by Kamala 726 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 2: as the losing VP. 727 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 3: I think that's very possible. Coming up here in a 728 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 3: few moments, we're going to talk to you about Daniel Penny. 729 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 3: He charges, the indictment is out on him, for that 730 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 3: choke hold in the New York City Subway, We're going 731 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 3: to dive into its ground.