WEBVTT - RICHARD SHERMAN

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<v Speaker 1>This is cut to it with Steve Smith Senior at

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<v Speaker 1>production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Smith Senior and I'm a little John, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is cut to it. Good do it, Good do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get down to do it. Good do it. We

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<v Speaker 1>asked the questions you always want to know, but no

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<v Speaker 1>one ever asked, let's cut to it. You ain't heard

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<v Speaker 1>about it, then we're about to let you. Now it's

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<v Speaker 1>all man. I'm I'm a pleasure to walk into Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 1>Native graduate of Stanford University, proud, proud husband and father,

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<v Speaker 1>and led the Seattle Seahawks in this part of a

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<v Speaker 1>legion of boom. Welcome to the cut to a podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard used to get on my nerves corner Sherman. Of

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<v Speaker 1>course we gotta jump straight in there while you get

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<v Speaker 1>on your nerves right right right, because it was good, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I studied so much film on Sherman. I just

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't get him. He wasn't necessarily fast. Um, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>slow either. He knew his technique. Um, it was just difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds pesky as hell. That is a great word.

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<v Speaker 1>And and this pet bowl doesn't take kindly to pet

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<v Speaker 1>so it didn't go well. Sometimes just boom right right,

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<v Speaker 1>right right. It was it was like a fleet and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes he would just you know, after play real quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen it. I've seen it right right right right

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<v Speaker 1>after the game fits. It was like, why are you

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<v Speaker 1>let him do it like that? He's like, what you

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<v Speaker 1>mean many but I have had a chance. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was when we were in Baltimore and you were hurt,

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw y'all meet up right on the sidelines

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<v Speaker 1>and there was nothing but love. So I think that

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<v Speaker 1>was really really dope to where both of y'all are

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<v Speaker 1>amazing competitors, but there was nothing but love between y'all

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<v Speaker 1>two even between the lines. I know it's it's it's harsh,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know off of it like mutual respects. So

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<v Speaker 1>that was really dope to see when I saw y'all

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<v Speaker 1>embrace in Baltimore, when when you were hurting and y'all

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<v Speaker 1>were coming in from Seattle. Man. One of the things

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<v Speaker 1>though I always respected, love about Sherman's you know, Sherman went,

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<v Speaker 1>Sherman doesn't know we're right down the street from each other, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Because I grew up on a hundred and six and avalon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah at exactly see a lot like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the lot of the A lot of guys don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how you know, just you know where I grew up,

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<v Speaker 1>especially you know some of other players like yourself. But

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<v Speaker 1>then even some of the young Bucks, like the young

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<v Speaker 1>Bucks is from Calabasas and Sherman Oaks and yeah, we's

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<v Speaker 1>goes here, Man, I'm from l A. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>tell them I'm from l A too, because I've been

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<v Speaker 1>in Charlotte so long, right, And then then when I

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<v Speaker 1>tell them, they go, oh, and then they have that

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<v Speaker 1>face like they connect the dots. They're like, oh, now

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. It all makes sense. So let's we

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<v Speaker 1>we let's get into that um later. But man, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna start off with some little ice breakers. These are

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<v Speaker 1>random questions that I thought up and thought up for

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<v Speaker 1>each each guest because I I want to poking proud

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<v Speaker 1>and also just kind of seeing this one. I particularly

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<v Speaker 1>picked out for you because I know, uh, you're a thinker,

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<v Speaker 1>but I also know you get lazy sometimes like myself.

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<v Speaker 1>That competent comes out right. So if you were a

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<v Speaker 1>time traveler, would you go in the past or would

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<v Speaker 1>you go forward? I think having the knowledge I have now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's always go back, you know, I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 1>the future or so so unknown. Um, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I have more like I'm more excited to see

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<v Speaker 1>the surprise than I am. You know, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>go up there and make sure stuff is whatever. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>i'd have impacted out. Now I'm going back and I

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<v Speaker 1>can do something. I'm just going back to see it again.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is your time trouble, Okay, that's why I asked.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew he was gonna go down this rapping right right?

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<v Speaker 1>How can I mean, you don't know what to say time,

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<v Speaker 1>And if you go back and do something and change something,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't gonna change something from when you catch up. See

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<v Speaker 1>my mom will go down that rep. Oh yeah, Butterfly,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're gonna we're gonna be We're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>here six days. So so if I could go back

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<v Speaker 1>and change something, you know, I you know, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it makes me feel limited because it would

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<v Speaker 1>always have to do with sports and always have to

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<v Speaker 1>do with that. Because for the rest, for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I accept the good bad and indifferent from

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<v Speaker 1>everything else. You know, I felt like that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>made me and built me into who I am. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But in sports, you know, it's always a play here

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<v Speaker 1>and play there that you wish you could have back. Hey, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I would have did this. I wish I

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<v Speaker 1>would have Man, I wish I wouldn't have guessed on

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<v Speaker 1>that that double move. I wish I would have wished

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<v Speaker 1>I would have made that tackle or you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>so you second guess yourself all all day. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think I go back into the past and and and

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<v Speaker 1>play a few of these games over and do a

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<v Speaker 1>few different things different. I go forward, Man, that the

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<v Speaker 1>past bumped bumped the past, I go forward. I really would.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, the past is what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>good batter or indifferent. But I'm I'm intrigued of what's

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<v Speaker 1>coming up, what's coming forward? You have all of the things, um,

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<v Speaker 1>more than anything for me. While I would go forward,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't see my I wouldn't see my kids, what

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<v Speaker 1>what has happened and the things that I've talked tom

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<v Speaker 1>right like at like at like forty five years old, Peyton,

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<v Speaker 1>my oldest at thirty seven, my daughter, you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>youngest is seven. What what is you know, what is

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<v Speaker 1>he doing? Right before graduation? Right where am I? Right

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<v Speaker 1>before graduation? Did I make it? I would go. I

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<v Speaker 1>would go forward completely and just and just be a

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<v Speaker 1>fly on the wall. Like I'm getting emotional just thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about it, just because that's why I wouldn't go in

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<v Speaker 1>the future. But see, but I want to because if

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<v Speaker 1>we just jump right into it, man, you know this

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<v Speaker 1>is the first. Like you know, I always ask where

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<v Speaker 1>you from? What your own town? Man? You you're from

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<v Speaker 1>me from the same hotel in l A. And we're

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<v Speaker 1>not supposed to be here. We're not supposed to I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not supposed to be forty three years old, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>got a podcast, just got just got off a flight,

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<v Speaker 1>right and seeing the world in a in a way,

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<v Speaker 1>in a place I wasn't supposed to make it past one.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's that's that's a people always ask why we

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<v Speaker 1>say that. It's because that's what you see. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>your reality every day. Like the guys I the guys

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up with on Womanton and Komp m hm

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<v Speaker 1>m hmm. It's about three of us left, kah and

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<v Speaker 1>when I was my one of them is my cousin

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<v Speaker 1>dion Um, who's a police officer in Memphis. Like one

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<v Speaker 1>of the other dudes, Mark Mark got Mark got caught

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<v Speaker 1>before we're sixty years old. Yeah, that's it. That It's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's just heartbreaking because you know, like there's very

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<v Speaker 1>few people that make it out that ever go back

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<v Speaker 1>and not be successful. You know what I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>that that ever go back, because usually when you make

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<v Speaker 1>it out, you go blossom somewhere else. You know. We

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<v Speaker 1>we end up having eleven dudes go be one from

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<v Speaker 1>my high school, and majority of them stay where they're at.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they stay in Utah, went to Utah, University

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<v Speaker 1>of Utah there in Utah, they went to Oregon. It's

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<v Speaker 1>still in order. They and and they graduated. They did

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<v Speaker 1>everything they were supposed to do. But on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the coin, a lot of the dudes that

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<v Speaker 1>stayed it's like a weekly text of like bang such

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<v Speaker 1>and such got hit. My best friend my freshman year

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<v Speaker 1>in college, Um got hit on some random bs in

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood. He stayed in his holding probably half of

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<v Speaker 1>his life, and walking across the street there had been

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<v Speaker 1>a shooting in the neighborhood. They actud me warriors from me.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't he wasn't from nowhere. I don't bang. I'm walking

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<v Speaker 1>to the gas station. Just get some some chats, snacks

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<v Speaker 1>and chips and stuff. Bro, I don't want no problems.

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<v Speaker 1>They catch him on the way back home, a bullets

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<v Speaker 1>in his chest to in the head, and the dudes

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<v Speaker 1>are like forty years old, like you know, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like bro like like for some people, that's the only lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like in the box that we were we

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<v Speaker 1>were raised in. It's a very dangerous place. And some

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<v Speaker 1>people never leave that box and the things they take

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<v Speaker 1>serious and value and will lose their lives over seem

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<v Speaker 1>trivial to everybody else. But inside that box, everything that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's the whole box. You know, it's it's it's it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, man, where are you from in the

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<v Speaker 1>place you call your home town? Um? Well, should I'm

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<v Speaker 1>from Compton, Watts. I mean we're either one. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I was born I should. I was born in near

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<v Speaker 1>king Um at Cincinnella in Inglewood, and we were raised

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<v Speaker 1>in Watts till I was ten, and then we moved around,

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<v Speaker 1>got to Compton to go to high school, and then

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<v Speaker 1>when Stanford went up to Stanford, but my parents lived

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<v Speaker 1>in Compton all the way until like my third year

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<v Speaker 1>in the league, and I moved him out to Orange County.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's that's been a you know, been a

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<v Speaker 1>blessing for them, you know, because it's just just peace

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<v Speaker 1>of mind. You know. People have so much pride in

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<v Speaker 1>the city. They're like, man, I don't want to leave,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, you don't want to be a sellout.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, I feel you. But on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, y'all go back and drive and visit.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we're gonna we're gonna put you on, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>move you on up to the east side. It is different. Man, Mom,

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<v Speaker 1>when I first got to probably about third or fourth

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<v Speaker 1>year in the league, off for the um bring her

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<v Speaker 1>out in the short ships, like for what you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and Moms is like she said, ain't nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she goes, ain't nobody in North Carolina. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, okay, damn all right, my bad

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<v Speaker 1>one person. We you know, we had we had two

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<v Speaker 1>kids at that time, right right here, come to your

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<v Speaker 1>grand baby. You know what is so attractive about the

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<v Speaker 1>high prices, the terrible traffic that you're unwilling unwilling to

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<v Speaker 1>go somewhere else. This is like this podcast, but just

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<v Speaker 1>because it's ridiculous. It's like, Bro, look, I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 1>for the money I'm within to pay for your house,

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<v Speaker 1>you could have a castle somewhere else. You are really

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<v Speaker 1>willing to take this small house versus the castle you

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<v Speaker 1>can have somewhere else, minus the traffic, minus the craziness. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my family, the family that gives you all this brahma

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. Those are the people that you want

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<v Speaker 1>to stay close to, even though you ain't gonna see

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<v Speaker 1>that when you're close to him, Why are you talking

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<v Speaker 1>about my family? You know, it looked the same everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>It looked the same everywhere. And that's the it's the

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<v Speaker 1>frustrating part, because you know, as soon as you pop

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<v Speaker 1>that bubble for him, as soon as they find out

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<v Speaker 1>like what the other side looks like, and they'll love it,

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<v Speaker 1>but they ain't willing to take that risk to see.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think we we have taken risks our whole careers.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, playing sports, being ambitious is a risk in itself.

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<v Speaker 1>The first time I really left the city was was

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<v Speaker 1>a college visit. You know, and as soon as you

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<v Speaker 1>get out there you're like, bro that the that'st of

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<v Speaker 1>the world is a real place. I went to. I

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<v Speaker 1>went to Starkville, Mississippi and watch Mississippi play Old miss

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<v Speaker 1>which was interesting. It was interesting because my dad wanted

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<v Speaker 1>me to see every black head coach and Chroom was

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<v Speaker 1>one of them. And so and I'm there, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm there with my quarterback and it was it was wild.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was like it was in the fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a story for a different day, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was an eye opening experience because it

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<v Speaker 1>really just proves me like the rest of the world

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't like a figment about imagine that It's not just

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<v Speaker 1>what you see on TV. You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's tangible. I can touch it. And it sounds stupid

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<v Speaker 1>when I say it now, but in reality, back then,

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<v Speaker 1>it almost was like the rest of the world was

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<v Speaker 1>a fairy tale outside of my box. Like cool, I

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<v Speaker 1>see it on TV. I know people are out there,

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<v Speaker 1>but it don't exist to me until I touched That's

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<v Speaker 1>how my first we played in a Blue Gray game

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<v Speaker 1>and I was first of all when I went off

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<v Speaker 1>to the universe of Utah. That was my second plane,

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<v Speaker 1>right second plane ride ever in life. Okay, got there

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<v Speaker 1>now the first time, so so so the first time

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<v Speaker 1>we go play Washington Wazoo, we play them. Uh. I

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<v Speaker 1>got off the airplane. I threw up because that was

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<v Speaker 1>like my fourth time. That was like my third or

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<v Speaker 1>fourth time being on the airplane. I was not I

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<v Speaker 1>just I've barfed right after. I mean we got after

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<v Speaker 1>right and so it just but we played in uh

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<v Speaker 1>the Blue uh uh Blue Gray All Star Game because

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't make it. That was a Christmas game. Man

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<v Speaker 1>Mobile Alabama, who I remember. I got on a continental

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<v Speaker 1>flight that airlines and just seeing the other part of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. It was. It was crazy, just seen all

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I saw. And the crazy part is

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see a whole bunch of craziness. I just

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<v Speaker 1>saw a different part of the world that I thought

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<v Speaker 1>I'd never see. Hell. I got drafted by the Carolina Panthers.

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<v Speaker 1>I had never been that far before in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Before that, the closest places I've ever been from l A.

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<v Speaker 1>Drove to San Diego, took a Greyhound bust to Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>We drove to see my great great grandparents in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was it. That was the furthest and the

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<v Speaker 1>extent of my travels ever in my life. Until I

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<v Speaker 1>was nineteen years old, I went on a trip and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's mind blowing. It's really mind blowing because

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<v Speaker 1>because if people don't understand how scary that is, Like

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<v Speaker 1>people think, oh man, you got drafted, that's your dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's the unknown again, Like I don't really know

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<v Speaker 1>how this is gonna go. I don't know how the

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<v Speaker 1>heat is, I don't know how anything is. And Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>is a whole different climate than what you used to

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<v Speaker 1>and so yeah, it just changed. It just changes, and

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta relocate. And then you gotta put on a

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<v Speaker 1>brave face tact like hey, there's none of this. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>bother me. I'm good. You know what I mean. It

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<v Speaker 1>is what it is on me. I'm in Carolina. They

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<v Speaker 1>got me, they know what they're getting. I'm the man.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like in your head, you're like, man, we

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<v Speaker 1>gotta figure out what this is gonna look like, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And and then I was thankful I always stayed on

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<v Speaker 1>the West Coast. I was blessed, you know. I went

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<v Speaker 1>to to you know, from Compton, went up to Stanford.

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<v Speaker 1>Then went to the Seahawks. You know, in Seattle. I

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<v Speaker 1>never left the West Coast, so it was always I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much staying in my comfort zone. This year in

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<v Speaker 1>Tampa was the weirdest for me in my career because

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<v Speaker 1>I had to leave m I had to leave the

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<v Speaker 1>comfort zone. I have to leave what I knew. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in Florida, Tampa, Tampa, Florida. But you're so intelligent, you

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<v Speaker 1>you've you see the game and you see life so differently.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you were. You were kind of weirded out

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<v Speaker 1>by going to Tampa, no question, no question. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the times. It was also my family didn't come, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the wife and kids didn't come. So it's totally different.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's you got the three hour time difference.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to see your wife and kids. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>just call whenever you want to call. You got practice,

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<v Speaker 1>and that made it different for me. Just being able

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<v Speaker 1>to watch my teams, you know what I mean, Simple

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, like the Lakers. I gotta wait till

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<v Speaker 1>Tim thirty. The Lakers watch your college Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they were watching you play, right watch my so growing

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<v Speaker 1>so growing up though, growing up in Compton, what was

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<v Speaker 1>your experience as young Richard Sherman, Well, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it was it was what you expected, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess you've never known nothing different than

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<v Speaker 1>what you get, um, so growing up and starting in Watts,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just, you know, it was you what I

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<v Speaker 1>recognized as normal wasn't normal. You know, crack fiends walking

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<v Speaker 1>down the street, you know. But but my parents made

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<v Speaker 1>everybody seem like people, so I never thought about like

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<v Speaker 1>the person we help and giving giving our leftovers too,

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<v Speaker 1>is a crack fiend in a homeless person, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. It's just her name was Silver. It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just miss Silver. You know, she's coming there get

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<v Speaker 1>some some food. We we ate steaks, are we ate

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<v Speaker 1>pork chops last night? She's coming to get something. Give

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<v Speaker 1>them to her and and and say thank you, and

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<v Speaker 1>YadA YadA YadA. And it's like the homeless dude who

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<v Speaker 1>lives across the street and then the drug next door.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you see the small little plastic ziplock bags.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't never I didn't. I've never seen one since

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't even know they made him that small.

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<v Speaker 1>And I ain't gonna tell you what was in them.

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<v Speaker 1>But as a kid, you know, we plut putting dirt

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<v Speaker 1>in them, you know, playing games because I'm not knowing

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on. I didn't I didn't see the environment.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a bad place, you know, I didn't see. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, you're in a terrible You're in a hood,

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<v Speaker 1>like like she can go back at any time. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>my dad's trucks getting stolen, getting robbed, people getting shot

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. It's like, oh man, it's just where

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<v Speaker 1>you from. And so so as I grew up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my parents shielded us from that by making it a

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<v Speaker 1>welcoming neighborhood. You know, they they sitting there, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't we go to we go play baseball or

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<v Speaker 1>play football at at will Rogers Park on ninety nine um.

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<v Speaker 1>And we we come home and it's freaking twelve kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And first off, I don't know how my parents was

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<v Speaker 1>doing that. We didn't have no money, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>had no fool and we're bringing home all this. I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't bring home twelve kids right now. But my parents

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<v Speaker 1>made it a community. You know, kids would start spending Christmas,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, because they didn't have their

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<v Speaker 1>parents so they spend Christmas at our houses like that's

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<v Speaker 1>how comfortable people were. And so the neighborhood became like

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<v Speaker 1>a family. And so we run into situations where it's

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<v Speaker 1>like just sticky, it got dicey. It's dicey right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and and do to I can not my parents, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean me for my parents and be like hey,

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<v Speaker 1>get up out of here, like like this ain't for

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<v Speaker 1>your for you, we're about to deal with this, and

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<v Speaker 1>be like all right, you know what I mean, like cool,

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<v Speaker 1>and like a lot of times I wouldn't get to

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<v Speaker 1>make bad decisions. I'd be about to make a bad decision,

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<v Speaker 1>so I can't give myself credit like that where I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, man, I just made every right decision. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about to make a bad decision. And somebody said,

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<v Speaker 1>now you ain't go over there. It's like no, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm with y'all, like no you ain't, but all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't. And then you go home. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's why I gotta give a lot of parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Credit to my parents. You know, my dad drove a

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<v Speaker 1>trash truck for thirty years. You know that's that's that

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<v Speaker 1>job sucks, Like he did it and he only got

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<v Speaker 1>one eye, and so you know, you have a fair

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<v Speaker 1>share of accidents. But that's the story for a different day,

0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.640
<v Speaker 1>hiring the man with one eye. But he did it. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>But my mom worked mentally and physically disabled kids. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like I went to work with him one day

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<v Speaker 1>one time, bring you something to work day, and I

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<v Speaker 1>never go again because I was like that, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how the hell you sit in at this stinky

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<v Speaker 1>trash truck and pick up trash all day long. It's hot,

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<v Speaker 1>it's traffic, people being rude, you can't even drive fast,

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<v Speaker 1>like what is this? And you did it for thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>But it helped me recognize his sacrifice, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like what he was doing for us and

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<v Speaker 1>so so a lot of times that that like pushed

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<v Speaker 1>me over the edge, you know what I mean. Anytime

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<v Speaker 1>to ship you're tough with with sports, are at school

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<v Speaker 1>or missing meals or it's just like bro, bro, he grunted,

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<v Speaker 1>he doing what you gotta do for us, Like like

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<v Speaker 1>one day I'm a paying back. There's a a myth

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<v Speaker 1>or legend tells it is true back home and said

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<v Speaker 1>when your pops came home from work, when that trash

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<v Speaker 1>truck was there. Nobody was leaving the house, no question,

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<v Speaker 1>no question. That was your story. So that was your

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<v Speaker 1>stories like Sharon's pop drove a trash truck and when

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<v Speaker 1>you can do whatever you want, but when when Pops

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<v Speaker 1>came home, the boys is in the house for the night,

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<v Speaker 1>in the house and your friends don't even come asked,

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<v Speaker 1>may come to ask now, you know? You know I

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<v Speaker 1>love cut to It and I love it even more

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<v Speaker 1>I got all my answers questions. Um, yeah, I got

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<v Speaker 1>all my questions answered. That's what I'm here for, a brother,

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<v Speaker 1>cut to a Podcast dot Com. You go backwards and

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<v Speaker 1>you look at everything you've accomplished, how you've gotten there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what what is something you know talking about

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<v Speaker 1>time travel? What is something you can go back that

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<v Speaker 1>you think you would. I think you would have taken

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<v Speaker 1>more time with not change, but just kind of sitting

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<v Speaker 1>taking more time with. For me, I'm a numbers guy,

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<v Speaker 1>so I wish I would have took my mathematics to

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<v Speaker 1>a too, another level, just one more level, because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>good at math. I can see numbers, I can look

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<v Speaker 1>at I can look at some numbers and figure it out. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>If I would have took just another two classes, man,

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<v Speaker 1>i'd be a dangerous dude. I guess I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think I would have taken I took more people with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to take people with me in high school,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't. I wasn't as convicted as I needed

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<v Speaker 1>to be. Really, what do you mean by take take

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<v Speaker 1>it more, take take more people with you? Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean in high school, you you know s a

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<v Speaker 1>T was a was a was a barrier. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>some dudes, it's just like you said, it's cyclical, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a box, it's mentality, it's you you've grown. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>people don't want to go to the class. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>not cool, you know what, I mean, to go to class,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the stupidest thing in the world, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And it was stupid to me back then. But but

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<v Speaker 1>it always felt like the stork dropped me off in Compton.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I wasn't like a compete kid sagging my pants,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm banging on everybody was like, like, I'm a regular

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<v Speaker 1>jagular dude that somebody dropped off in the hood and

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<v Speaker 1>was like, hey, make it all right. Well, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. I'd like to read books. I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to do this. I don't a lot of these dudes

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<v Speaker 1>don't like to do what I do. But I better

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<v Speaker 1>find my way through this neighborhood. I better navigate the

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<v Speaker 1>way I need to to make it out. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like at times I would talk to those dudes,

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<v Speaker 1>and some dudes I got through to it. It It was like, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>y'all need to go to class, Like I help you

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<v Speaker 1>with your work. I'll help you with this. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you with this. If you get this g p A No,

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<v Speaker 1>we can figure the s A t out. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>those ways to get figured out. You know, some people

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<v Speaker 1>people better test takers than others, you know, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>the story for a different thing. We're not one of

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<v Speaker 1>my one of my kids is one of my kids

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<v Speaker 1>is really smart. Put the test in front of him,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just they struggle. They just don't test well,

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<v Speaker 1>right everybody, don't you take the test away and you

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<v Speaker 1>just grill them. It's automatic. They know the information. And

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<v Speaker 1>so so there were a couple of kids and back

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<v Speaker 1>to what we talked about, like that we could have

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:37.639
<v Speaker 1>got out. That that could have got out if they

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 1>would have if I would have just pushed them a

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.240
<v Speaker 1>little harder. They spreaking ditch in school and it's like

0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 1>my senior year. You know, I'm the cool kid, I'm

0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the big man on campus. I'm doing everything, and now

0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 1>they're listening. But it's the senior year. You know. They

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:50.680
<v Speaker 1>got that first and second years too late, and it's

0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:53.119
<v Speaker 1>like if I would have got them earlier, then it

0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:55.320
<v Speaker 1>would have been better. But then we get out and

0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:57.120
<v Speaker 1>the rest of us go to college. They stayed there,

0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:01.920
<v Speaker 1>they get killed, they're gone, and so it's like it's like,

0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>damn is it you know what I mean? Should I

0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 1>have been doing more? And so that's that's some of

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the stuff you think about when you think about going

0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 1>back and like what you could have did different and

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:11.760
<v Speaker 1>what you would change, And it's like I would have

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 1>tried to pull they would have tried to put more

0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:16.000
<v Speaker 1>pressure on him, because it's just like, bro, I see

0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:17.280
<v Speaker 1>what y'all don't see you know what I mean, not

0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:19.679
<v Speaker 1>that I'm crazy smarter than y'all, but I see you

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:22.359
<v Speaker 1>coming to class. I mean you coming to school to

0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:25.719
<v Speaker 1>ditch class. Yeah, it's the most asinine thing I've ever

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 1>heard of. That requires a lot of work. You actually

0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 1>from the security. Yeah. So when you look back on it,

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:37.680
<v Speaker 1>how were you able to balance football? I know you're

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:42.400
<v Speaker 1>in track above four point o g p AOL track events.

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:45.919
<v Speaker 1>He'd run no track. Hey, hey you, I'm gonna let

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:47.439
<v Speaker 1>him talk for himself. I ain't even gonna I'm not

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:52.840
<v Speaker 1>even going all American? So how were you able to

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.240
<v Speaker 1>balance all of that? And even on top of that,

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:57.119
<v Speaker 1>how was all of that instilled and you could just

0:25:57.200 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 1>like you said, it's almost like you were a story

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:03.359
<v Speaker 1>dropped off. Those are your words, but really this whole

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:06.919
<v Speaker 1>embodiment of books book smart, street smart. So how are

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 1>you able to navigate and balance all of those things? Well?

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Should if my parents and my parents made it very

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:13.959
<v Speaker 1>clear early on, like it's it's school first and then

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:16.360
<v Speaker 1>everything else. Like if you don't get your school work done,

0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:18.359
<v Speaker 1>your grade's not right. You're not playing that goddamn thing.

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:20.439
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna be in that house and then doing your

0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 1>school work. So if you want to play and you

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:24.480
<v Speaker 1>want to go mess around, you want to play sports,

0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:27.360
<v Speaker 1>get your school work though, and so that was always paramounts.

0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 1>So once it's ingrained in you, it's like, oh, you know,

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:31.400
<v Speaker 1>so it's like, hey, get my work done, and I'm

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 1>I felt like I was really sharp kid Like. We

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:37.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't have the resources necessarily, Like, you know, the internet

0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:39.160
<v Speaker 1>wasn't crazy going on crazes back there, so it wasn't

0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 1>like you could just google stuff. You know, you have

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 1>to really go to a library. You have to really

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 1>try to go. Encyclopedias. Man encyclopedias, oh my god, you

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 1>live them. And then even the encyclopedias were sometimes outdated

0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 1>for the information you need. You know, it's not like

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:55.879
<v Speaker 1>we got the most recent encyclopedias. You don't get every years.

0:26:56.560 --> 0:27:00.320
<v Speaker 1>It's nine. It's I'm looking at encyclopedias from ninety five.

0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 1>That's not I'm not even making a joke. That's where

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:06.400
<v Speaker 1>that's what. That's what it was. We only had a few,

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.680
<v Speaker 1>We didn't have all alphabets, had a few. My uncle

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 1>bought us something. My uncle bought us something from the

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:14.920
<v Speaker 1>yard sale. Yeah we had the old ones. True story,

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 1>I just had a few. I don't had a whole

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:20.199
<v Speaker 1>and you have something mess you got and in the

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 1>end was supposed to be together and them drop off like, yeah,

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:26.639
<v Speaker 1>we don't have no cues disease. I will tell you

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:31.879
<v Speaker 1>that right now. A little smaller books. Actually, I'm not

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:38.399
<v Speaker 1>sure you've never seen him, but that's what was messed up.

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like, to really acquire information and knowledge, you gotta

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.960
<v Speaker 1>go search for it like like, and no offense to

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the teachers, because there were some good teachers in the school,

0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 1>teachers out there that that loved on us right and

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 1>was trying to help us because they saw the disadvantages

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:56.359
<v Speaker 1>that we had. But then you got enough bad kids

0:27:56.400 --> 0:28:02.199
<v Speaker 1>that are wearing them down. My my my teacher was

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Mr Russell. That changed everything for me. He found my

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:09.439
<v Speaker 1>competitive juice was my answer to to academics um and

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:11.920
<v Speaker 1>that the four fifth grade, I mean at school wasn't

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 1>really I mean, I was just a hood kid. I'm

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 1>just wanting to I'm smart, so I'm gonna finish my work.

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:17.679
<v Speaker 1>But I'm really gonna lilly gag and do everything. But

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 1>one day he realized if he made everything a competition,

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I'd win. Like, hey, making a competition, I don't care

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 1>what it is. I don't care if it's math science,

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:29.120
<v Speaker 1>making a competition, I would do everything I can to win.

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 1>And so he challenged me academically through competitiveness. And so

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 1>he made everything a competition, and which made me challenge me.

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>He you better read these books because I'm about to

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>win it. Like like he just knew how to get

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 1>it up out of me. But um, back to Stanford.

0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 1>So I was I was a receiver. I was averaging

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:56.440
<v Speaker 1>seventeen yards to catch my sophomore year, you know, And

0:28:56.440 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and me and hardball had had a had a We

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 1>really didn't have a disagreement until we were playing you

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Dub my sophomore year and like I'm on pace for

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 1>a thousand yards, I'm I'm killing and we are getting

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 1>our faces kicked in by you Dub, like like they

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 1>are destroying us. And we won't throw the ball. We

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 1>won't throw it for nothing. We won't throw we won't

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 1>throw a pass. And I'm like, bro, throw a pass,

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Like try a pass? You know what I mean? The

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 1>quarterback um tc O stranger at the time, so we

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 1>we but we didn't have a quarter We only had

0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 1>two quarterbacks that were great my time here, it was

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 1>it was Trent Edwards was pretty good, and then Andrew

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Luck was good at the end. So yeah, right and

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>so so, but in between it was just a lot

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 1>of let me tell you as I throw you off.

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 1>In Carolina, I played with the Stanford quarterback, Randy Andy

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 1>fa back. He's a police officer up in there, back

0:29:55.840 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 1>up back home. Yeah, good, shi, not a football player.

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Everybody ain't everybody. They gave me a chance, but yeah,

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 1>all right, right right right. So they didn't throw the ball.

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>They didn't throw the ball like I'm black a fellow

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 1>receiver whose job is to catch the football I'm throwing

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 1>you you don't get an attempt because you know, especially hardballs,

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:27.840
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna point out everything and everybody went wrong. They're

0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 1>not gonna state why it went wrong, all right, all right, continue.

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 1>So so so he suspensing me for the game for

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the next game because I'm spasms. Don't like, bro, you're

0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 1>not trying to win, like, like, what are we doing?

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 1>And so he's suspending for the next game. We played

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the w s U. We lose because I'm the leading

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 1>receiver at the time. It's not gonna go. So who's

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 1>the other receiver on another side? Um, we had Mark Bradford.

0:30:56.920 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 1>We had Um, we have Mark Bradford. I think Evan

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Moore was hurt, but they were they were seniors. Okay, okay,

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.479
<v Speaker 1>so they still I'm trying to get the landscape. I'm

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 1>trying to paint the pick. Yeah, we were who's the

0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 1>running work we we literally had moved the corner to

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 1>running back that game. That's another reason why I was frustrated,

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 1>because we were so beat up at running back that

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:21.160
<v Speaker 1>we moved the corner to running back and we want

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:24.000
<v Speaker 1>to run the ball. Yeah, that's kind of like that

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>sounds like you taw on the Rose Bowl. This plast year,

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>we had a running back scored a touchdown but also

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 1>gave up a touchdown because our starting corner broke his

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 1>leg in a Patrol championship. I did not know that. Yeah,

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>so that then, so they was that's why they was

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 1>picking on picking on one side and then we tried

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>to we tried to switch sides. Yeah, they switched to

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 1>play on the other side too. Yeah, Who's Who's tragic? Continue? Sorry?

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, that's so so so the rest of the year,

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm in the doghouse. We only we only got two

0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 1>games left the rest of the year. The doghouse with

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 1>the hardball is not a good thing. It's not the

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:03.560
<v Speaker 1>it's worst place. You can never be in the and

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>so so the next year during um during before winning

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 1>conditions during like spring ball, but I ran track during Okay,

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>so you got you. So you're talking about winner, you're

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>talking about what you gotta get up early. They want

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 1>to make sure you get up early to work out.

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 1>You can showers right the six workouts that were held,

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 1>and so we go through the winter conditioning. I messed

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 1>up my knee a little bit, like nothing crazy and

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 1>nothing serious. I go run track. I messed it up

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.280
<v Speaker 1>a little more. We're getting the training camp. I'm the

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 1>number one receiver. The seniors is gone, like I'm I'm

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>going to my junior year. I'm on the bullet in

0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 1>the cough watch list like it's time. And but my

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 1>knees messed up, like I got my my patella is

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 1>starting to tear, like it's a tear in it and

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:50.240
<v Speaker 1>it's just starting to split. And they're like, hey, it's

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>a ticket time bomb. You make one bad cut, it corruptures.

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:56.280
<v Speaker 1>And so I'm limping my way through the first couple

0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 1>of games, and I'm like ineffective because I can barely run,

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>I can barely do anything, can't I can't really practice.

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, hey, you need to you need to

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 1>get the surgery. Are you're gonna rupt your patella And

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm like okay. So we're meeting weekly with the whole

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 1>training staff and Hardballs in there. So by the fourth game,

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 1>they're like, Hey, if you don't sit down now and

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 1>get surgery, you're gonna lose this whole year. And so

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 1>they all agree, Hardball agrees, sit down, get the surgery.

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 1>The next week, I get a text I got I

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 1>get next day, I get a text, Hey, come to

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 1>me in my office. So I go to his office

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, you quit on team. He's like, you

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 1>get on team. Like I've never seen a player quit

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 1>on the team the way you just quit on team.

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 1>He's like, he's like, you will never play wide receiver

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>here again, He's like, and then he gave me a contract.

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:44.800
<v Speaker 1>He gave me a contract with um a list of

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 1>things on it that I needed to do in order

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>to not get kicked off team. And it was it

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 1>was it was paid back all my loans. It was

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>um take twenty units, which was excessive because I was over.

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I was above, I was ahead of where I need

0:33:57.920 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 1>to be to graduate. But he just wanted me to

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 1>quit take twenty units, sublect because I was living off campus,

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:05.720
<v Speaker 1>so I had sup let my lease. I just pay

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 1>my lease off, moved back on the campus. And if

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:10.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't do all those things by the end of

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 1>the quarter, you can kick what's going on in your

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 1>mind when you when you sit down and you read

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 1>all those terms, what's going on in your mind? I

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 1>can tell you a few things were very off colored

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:27.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things to you saying that we cannot

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 1>repeat on this podcast. We all lose a lot of things,

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 1>no question, but but it was it was a situation

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 1>where you're so powerless, you know what I mean. First off,

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm at Stanford place nobody thought I would get to.

0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm risk and getting kicked out for something that

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 1>that really wasn't in my control for you thought he

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:48.839
<v Speaker 1>was in agreement. This isn't you quit, this is I'm

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:53.920
<v Speaker 1>injured and I'm actually during the team of dis service

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 1>by hobbling out there, out there like I had. I

0:34:57.680 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>had a hundred and a hundred eight yards in four games,

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 1>like I can't move at all. And he and you're

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 1>literally in every meeting what the doctors are sitting there

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 1>saying he needs to get surgery. He needs to get surgery.

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:11.319
<v Speaker 1>He needs to get surgery. So when it happens, he's like,

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 1>He's like, bro, Um, so you put on team. You

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>did all that, If you do all this, you'll stay

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 1>on team, but you will never play wide receiver here again.

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, bro, I'm on the belit like watch this,

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 1>like bro, what like what are we doing? And so

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:27.319
<v Speaker 1>I just had to So thankfully we had some great

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 1>people around and I was able to get those things done.

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 1>So I go back to him, turn the contract in.

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>He says exactly what he said, you never play well

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 1>receiver here again. Okay. I said, well, can I play defense?

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 1>He said, I don't give a damn. I don't call

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:47.239
<v Speaker 1>the defense. I don't I don't care. He didn't want

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 1>to deal with you anymore. He didn't want to deal

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 1>with me anymore. So ron Lan, who was decordinator at

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 1>the time, takes me on defense. I'm the load of

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 1>walk on. I'm playing corner. But Steve, as you know,

0:35:57.719 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>if you play wide receiver and you're the number one option,

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 1>you know every spot in the offense. You should learn

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 1>learn it like the back of your hand. And so

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 1>when you move over the defense, Steve, if you went

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 1>over the defense and played against Baltimore Ravens or the

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Carolina Panthers in the offense that you knew, you could

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:17.920
<v Speaker 1>tell their signals. You can tell they plays, they splits

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the alignments on third down. Oh that motion, Oh I

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>know that motion. He's about to do this. So imagine

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.279
<v Speaker 1>how tragic it was for all this first spring. I am.

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how the pedal really, I don't really

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:32.440
<v Speaker 1>know how the pedal. I don't really know how to

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 1>press and do all that. But you know, and I

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 1>know the play. You already cerebral at that moment. It's

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:41.319
<v Speaker 1>like you got a cheat code and he's piste off

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 1>and this. So every practice I'm out there, Hey, alert

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.839
<v Speaker 1>the curl and sit right there and curls coming right there. Hey,

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 1>alert to slap. Hey it's a flat route, push out.

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna pick this and I would walk to places

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 1>they're going, yeah, absolutely, playing offense in reverse, I was

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 1>the starter before this ring was over. I couldn't paddle.

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know how to press good, but I knew

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:11.239
<v Speaker 1>the place they could not complete the pass. So so

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 1>fast forward, I'm in games and I'm using the same

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 1>information now by by then, I've been had enough practice.

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm peddling decent. My press is gotten a lot better.

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm more patient at line scrimmage. But my my,

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 1>my gift right now is still the understanding of what

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:26.399
<v Speaker 1>officers are trying to do to attack. So that's where

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I put myself in position. So when we would so

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.439
<v Speaker 1>as I progressed in my career, that was always my

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.239
<v Speaker 1>my saving grace. I didn't have to be the most

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 1>athletic if I know the play. Like as you're talking,

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 1>in my mind, I'm going back at some of the

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.120
<v Speaker 1>times that we're playing. I was like, he is a

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:49.120
<v Speaker 1>horrible backpedaler. I like, and then we used to press,

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:51.919
<v Speaker 1>Like a few times you go against me, you would

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 1>you would like throw them, but you wouldn't really throw them,

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:58.280
<v Speaker 1>and then your base was wide. And so I'm literally

0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:01.319
<v Speaker 1>sitting here, Yeah, I was getting beat from a dude

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:05.279
<v Speaker 1>that really wasn't even I was a technical quarter. I

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't become a technical quarter. I feel so dirty. But

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:13.360
<v Speaker 1>like by my third year in the league, I was no.

0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 1>But but you still had you still have some some

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 1>things that me in my mind. That's why the way

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 1>you played, that's why they cover three the way you played,

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 1>how you played it. Because sometimes I will run routes

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:28.879
<v Speaker 1>and try to get in your blind spot and then

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:34.399
<v Speaker 1>you would panic. Now I'm going I don't why, right,

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't It wasn't as natural for you it was.

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 1>It was it was in eight because you're an athlete.

0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 1>But it was not like sleeping. It was like, even

0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:54.719
<v Speaker 1>though I'm older and don't play ball anymore, I can

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:58.680
<v Speaker 1>still run routes and I can close my eyes and

0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 1>do things I can back of my hand, right. But

0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:06.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, I played corner in the high school, and

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 1>so there's some things that as even as a corner,

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm a lot rusty on that. So but

0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 1>so I'm just going back in my mind, like, huh

0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 1>makes sense now. So so a lot of times if

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:22.799
<v Speaker 1>you if you ran into my blind spot, the reason

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.080
<v Speaker 1>I panic is because I thought to play was something different.

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:28.359
<v Speaker 1>It's because you're selling me something I'm not feeling like

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:30.480
<v Speaker 1>like I'm thinking you're about to run a dig. You

0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 1>went blind spot and came back to the den or

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>you went, you know, and it was like, oh what

0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 1>is this? What is this? And then you were grabbed

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:41.719
<v Speaker 1>me right right right right where I need you to

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:47.320
<v Speaker 1>be re secured. This situation, I ain't gonna ain't hurt nobody.

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you. That's what you're talking about getting

0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 1>me frustrated. Man, When Corners grabbed me, I was snapped dog.

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I would just snap like I was going to get

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Reevis one time and this when he was with New

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 1>England Patriots and he grabbed me. And you know, I

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 1>went against Reevers and with the Jets. And I'm not

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:11.799
<v Speaker 1>throwing shade the Reevers, but I'm telling you, when you

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 1>have and just like Richard, when you have a dominant

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:18.840
<v Speaker 1>defensive line or a defensive line that gets penetration early,

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:25.319
<v Speaker 1>it rushes everything. The receipt I'm talking about. I'm like

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:27.400
<v Speaker 1>a ten year old kid one a hundred dollars in

0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 1>the video game store. I can't I can't remember what right.

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:41.560
<v Speaker 1>And so anytime like Reevers grabbing one time and said man,

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:45.080
<v Speaker 1>stop grabbing me. He said, met's stop complaining. So the

0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 1>next place he grabbed me again and I pulled him

0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:49.439
<v Speaker 1>by his face masks all the way down. I said,

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:51.799
<v Speaker 1>you grabbed me again. This is gonna be the whole game.

0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 1>But it just it makes so much sense now because

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 1>this podcast is just turned upside down. I'm going back

0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:07.360
<v Speaker 1>at time now like stranger things. I'm going back in

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:13.600
<v Speaker 1>time and I'm being a receiver. Look, it was one

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:15.920
<v Speaker 1>time you you end up like wrestling with me on

0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:17.759
<v Speaker 1>the plate. I knew the plate and you didn't run

0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the rout and you were told Cam I told him,

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:24.120
<v Speaker 1>don't throw me the ball. He threw it. He knew it.

0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:26.040
<v Speaker 1>He threw it. It was like an out route. I've

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:28.040
<v Speaker 1>seen you the clip. It was like an out route

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:30.319
<v Speaker 1>you were supposed to and you like stuttered and I

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:32.719
<v Speaker 1>broke forward. I broke because I knew the play and

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:36.480
<v Speaker 1>you just ran through me like hit the ball hits

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 1>you on the side. I'm like, bro Steve, that was

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 1>my pick. You can't do me Like what did I say? Oh?

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:48.160
<v Speaker 1>You was going on. It was a whole lot of

0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 1>things you can't say on there. You didn't get scripture,

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 1>just quoting the scripture. If this is the different part

0:41:55.800 --> 0:42:04.600
<v Speaker 1>of oh before they hand ink bright, before before they

0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:12.719
<v Speaker 1>used let's getting down. Hey Gerard, why did you get

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:15.319
<v Speaker 1>that T shirt? You mean this thing? Oh? Yes, I

0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:17.439
<v Speaker 1>got it from cut to a podcast dot com where

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:20.440
<v Speaker 1>we have exclusive merchandise. Shout out to our guys at

0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:22.200
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0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:24.840
<v Speaker 1>buy you a T shirt, subscribe to us wherever you

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 1>listen to podcasts. Let's talk about Legion of Boom. Just

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:31.359
<v Speaker 1>all those guys back there. I just got to tell

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 1>you this, though, I have to say it. Brandon Browner

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:44.400
<v Speaker 1>bro tattoo knees used to rub so close again, can't

0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:55.080
<v Speaker 1>not need knock, need not need go google it, Brandon

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:58.719
<v Speaker 1>brown and knees and google when I tell you that

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:02.400
<v Speaker 1>was one time. I'm gonna say, super Pauls. Pauls. I

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>was standing, he was standing, I was standing behind and

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I was just looking at him, going, how is that

0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:13.880
<v Speaker 1>physically possible? How was he backpealing where while he's standing

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:19.880
<v Speaker 1>right now, his inner knees are touching each other, not

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:23.319
<v Speaker 1>his thigs, his inner knees like a little dimple in

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 1>your knee, you know, so you got the knee you

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 1>got the knee cap. Now when you're going, I'm touching

0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 1>my right knee. So when you go on left right

0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:34.919
<v Speaker 1>there it's a little it's a little sweet spot. Those

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:38.879
<v Speaker 1>was touching each other like so for some people that cankles.

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 1>He had cankles in his kneecaps, and they was touching,

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:46.400
<v Speaker 1>and he was backpedal knees and Bro, he was tall.

0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:51.399
<v Speaker 1>His genetic disposition did not say he was a pro

0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:55.399
<v Speaker 1>Bowl corner. Corner did not. His disposition did not say

0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:59.000
<v Speaker 1>he should be able to run. But he did a

0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:01.839
<v Speaker 1>hell of a job. Bro, Bro, if he got his

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:07.719
<v Speaker 1>hands on you, yes, over. But I was too, I was.

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I was watching. It was like I had of out

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:18.080
<v Speaker 1>of body experience. How is this bowtlegged knock knee brother

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 1>covering you, Steve, I'm not I'm not sure. I don't know.

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:27.400
<v Speaker 1>I was talking to myself out of body experience, looking

0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:31.640
<v Speaker 1>at myself, shaking my head and smacking my teeth and

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 1>then still frustrated, trying to figure out this puzzle. It

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:38.520
<v Speaker 1>was like I was playing checkers with no board or pieces,

0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 1>but we was in the game and then I'm over here,

0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:45.800
<v Speaker 1>so I got I got Bobby Fisher, Richard Sherman and

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I got I got his coach over here, molly wapping me.

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:52.400
<v Speaker 1>And then and then when I think I gotta pass,

0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:57.719
<v Speaker 1>I'll go across the middle. Bam, Bam, Cam Chancellor, Man,

0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Cam Cam, throw a pass to me. One time across

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the middle that camp Chancellor had an opportunity hit me.

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 1>I dove just to get out of the way of

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Camp Chancellor business cession. It wasn't a business session. I

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:16.920
<v Speaker 1>got the hell out the way a business is like, no,

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I get it. Next time, I said, you probably saved

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:23.759
<v Speaker 1>yourself a surgery. Look, Cam Bro that you don't talk

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:26.439
<v Speaker 1>about the legion to Boom like first off, we all

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:28.400
<v Speaker 1>we all had a few screws loose from the beginning,

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>like but but we're all type A alpha males. But

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:36.719
<v Speaker 1>there was enough humility in the within the group that

0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:40.959
<v Speaker 1>that is yet to be said when I hear about

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:44.040
<v Speaker 1>the legion of Boom, that there was enough humility because

0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 1>because nobody knew us, there's no way like type A

0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 1>alpha alpha's come together in one group, you know, with

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Bobby Wagner and with Mike Bennett and with all this

0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:56.200
<v Speaker 1>and don't have clash. We never really had a clash

0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 1>like that. Because everybody was like if somebody, if somebody

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:02.319
<v Speaker 1>need to say I'm the best, I'm gonna best out here,

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:07.720
<v Speaker 1>your best, Like we're gonna encourage it, like he the best.

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Like it ain't gonna be like, oh, he think he's

0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the best, Like I'm gonna be jealous, Like I put

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:12.399
<v Speaker 1>it on tape every week, you know what I mean,

0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:14.480
<v Speaker 1>It don't really matter. I'm like, I don't have to

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 1>measure to anybody. If it helps us win, if that

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.680
<v Speaker 1>helps everybody feel good, I'm happy to encourage it. And

0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:22.319
<v Speaker 1>we had enough dudes comfortable and that within their own

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:25.280
<v Speaker 1>skin to be like, I'm not offended by any of them,

0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:29.520
<v Speaker 1>like I need. That is very rare to hear and

0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:31.839
<v Speaker 1>I and I'm just calling out see it. That's very

0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:36.319
<v Speaker 1>rare for I think a lot of black athletes, right,

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of men who are from the bottom to

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:42.320
<v Speaker 1>be able to set to be able to sit aside

0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 1>and says man, my boy Rich, he's the one, the best,

0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:51.120
<v Speaker 1>my boy Browner, he's one of the best. Earl, he's

0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:53.600
<v Speaker 1>one of the best. Bam, Bam, he's one of the best.

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Bobby Wacken, Like you don't you don't generally get that

0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:06.560
<v Speaker 1>cheerleader mentality out of alpha males on a football team, right,

0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:10.919
<v Speaker 1>and you guys actually didn't. There was no chinking armor.

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:14.880
<v Speaker 1>You guys were tightly net like guys got married, y'all's

0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 1>best days weddings just like it was like three or

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:20.239
<v Speaker 1>four weddings back to back, and it was grade or

0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:23.600
<v Speaker 1>four groomsmen back to back with new outfits back to back.

0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:30.120
<v Speaker 1>And and like you guys, the groomsman's suits were fired,

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:32.960
<v Speaker 1>then the next one was was better. And it just

0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:38.720
<v Speaker 1>there was the showmanship in every area of you guys

0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:43.000
<v Speaker 1>lives football and off the field, and yet in every

0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:47.200
<v Speaker 1>picture you guys were there, right. It's it was it

0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 1>was I think Chris Rashard, r DV coach really really

0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:54.880
<v Speaker 1>did a great job because he worked with but he

0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:57.520
<v Speaker 1>he was a great leader of men for us because

0:47:57.520 --> 0:47:59.800
<v Speaker 1>he had he had certain pillars that we had to

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:03.960
<v Speaker 1>buy an accountability. It had to be loved, respect accountability,

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:06.680
<v Speaker 1>and and so when you're getting held accountable, it's not

0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:08.759
<v Speaker 1>it's not like hey you suck, like what happened in

0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:11.160
<v Speaker 1>this play. It's like, hey, you're better than this. We

0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:12.600
<v Speaker 1>need to be better than this, and we need you

0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:14.239
<v Speaker 1>to be better than this. So when whenever we're on

0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:15.919
<v Speaker 1>the field and we come together, that's why you see

0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 1>we celebrate with each other every goddamn like you see

0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:21.439
<v Speaker 1>us in practice. Our offense hated us because it could

0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:24.200
<v Speaker 1>be incomplete pass on the other side of the field.

0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:26.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, thought we want a super Bowl. And it's

0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:29.399
<v Speaker 1>like Earl bat in the past, you see every single

0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:31.200
<v Speaker 1>one of us slapping hands and then we go line

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:33.279
<v Speaker 1>it up again. A d lineman gotta sack. We got

0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:36.279
<v Speaker 1>damn spreading them there. And we're having a blast every day,

0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:39.600
<v Speaker 1>celebrating each other's victories and celebrating each other's work. And

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:42.200
<v Speaker 1>so when somebody made a mistake, it wasn't like, hey,

0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Earl man, you don't freaking suck, Like what are you doing?

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:46.680
<v Speaker 1>It was like, hey, you better than that, Like, hey

0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:49.120
<v Speaker 1>you got him, you got him, and we next time

0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna Kelly, like come on. And so every time

0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:55.279
<v Speaker 1>a mistake happened, it wasn't like, man, you gotta hold

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:56.919
<v Speaker 1>your head. It was like, hold your head up high.

0:48:56.960 --> 0:48:58.920
<v Speaker 1>You'll see Earl come up. If I gave up a

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:01.440
<v Speaker 1>grab or something here, come up and he's just and

0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 1>that's all you got to say. And it's like I'm

0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:06.480
<v Speaker 1>not taking that as disrespect or him. I'm telling him, Hey,

0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:08.719
<v Speaker 1>you know I can be better than that, and I

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:09.840
<v Speaker 1>can be better than that, and I don't want to

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:11.520
<v Speaker 1>let him down again. I know his babies, I know

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:13.440
<v Speaker 1>his wife, I know his kids, and I don't want

0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:15.000
<v Speaker 1>to let them down. I know he gotta put food

0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:16.360
<v Speaker 1>on the table. I'm gonna help he put food on

0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:17.719
<v Speaker 1>the table. I'm not gonna let him down again. The

0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:20.600
<v Speaker 1>same It's true, Cam b B still keep up with

0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 1>BB and his kids. Um. Cam, We literally just had

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:27.720
<v Speaker 1>a charity basketball game yesterday and all our kids playing

0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:32.680
<v Speaker 1>kJ right, Bobby Wagner like it's Bobby's birthday today. Um.

0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:35.279
<v Speaker 1>And So when you have that love and respect, it's

0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:36.839
<v Speaker 1>like playing with your brothers. She's like playing with your

0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:39.520
<v Speaker 1>real family. And so when you play with your real family,

0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:42.920
<v Speaker 1>you you rarely ever come at them with from a

0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:45.880
<v Speaker 1>place of malice, you know what I mean. You always

0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:47.799
<v Speaker 1>come from a place of love. So it's like, hey,

0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:49.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm coming here, but you know I love you, So

0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 1>when I get on you, you know it's from a

0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:54.600
<v Speaker 1>place of love. When when two's go at each other

0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:56.359
<v Speaker 1>and you don't think it's a place of love, it's

0:49:56.400 --> 0:50:00.600
<v Speaker 1>a place of disrespect. And then it's like, that's where

0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:02.560
<v Speaker 1>the friction, that's where the friction happens. That's where the

0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:10.360
<v Speaker 1>that's where locker rooms are fragmented. So what have you

0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:13.880
<v Speaker 1>learned about the NFL business now that you're that, that

0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:19.960
<v Speaker 1>you're older, Um, that that's intriguing. Well, it's dangerous to

0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:23.920
<v Speaker 1>have that, to have that mentality because you feel like family.

0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:27.480
<v Speaker 1>But the front office controlled everything. So it's like we

0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>were willing to do what it took to stay together

0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:31.440
<v Speaker 1>as long as we could, but we didn't get that out.

0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:37.200
<v Speaker 1>So it's like the year I tore my key leaves

0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:41.239
<v Speaker 1>the same game, Camp had his nick ind and his

0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:46.640
<v Speaker 1>career ended. So our our times in Seattle, Arizona is

0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:49.759
<v Speaker 1>the worst stadium in the world for us. It's like

0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the House Awards. We lost the Super Bowl there. My

0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:56.680
<v Speaker 1>career in Seattle ended there. Camp's career in Seattle ended there.

0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Earl's career in Seattle ended there. That's he flicked everybody off,

0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:03.040
<v Speaker 1>he broke his leg and as the last game he

0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:05.520
<v Speaker 1>ever played in Settle, literally all three three of us

0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:09.640
<v Speaker 1>and we lost Super Bolter. It was just one stadium.

0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:14.480
<v Speaker 1>But um, but I've learned that you you you have

0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:17.960
<v Speaker 1>to separate two. You have to separate your love for

0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:19.759
<v Speaker 1>the game and your love for the team and your

0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:24.680
<v Speaker 1>love for the environment from the business. You had an

0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:26.480
<v Speaker 1>agent most of your career, and then you go to

0:51:26.480 --> 0:51:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Sevcisco and you negotiate your own contract, and people are

0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:33.560
<v Speaker 1>saying that you're an idiot walking through that process of

0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:36.719
<v Speaker 1>why you decided to negotiate your contract. What was the

0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 1>premise and the reasoning behind all of that. Well, first off,

0:51:41.800 --> 0:51:45.319
<v Speaker 1>it it was the right time. And what I mean,

0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:47.440
<v Speaker 1>what was the right time. It was the right time

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:49.359
<v Speaker 1>in my career. It was the right time in terms

0:51:49.360 --> 0:51:52.280
<v Speaker 1>of knowledge and information I had uh and the maturity

0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:54.360
<v Speaker 1>that I had as a as a player, and my

0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:55.920
<v Speaker 1>knowledge of the business. You know what I mean. I mean,

0:51:55.960 --> 0:52:00.319
<v Speaker 1>you're seven, now you're your your three my knowledge Still

0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:01.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm still in love, you know I mean, I'm in

0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:03.160
<v Speaker 1>love with the team, you know what I mean. I'm

0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:06.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, hey, like whatever, I'll do whatever, you know,

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:08.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'll take I'll take it. You know what

0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:11.799
<v Speaker 1>i mean? Do we get to stay together? So, like,

0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:14.280
<v Speaker 1>you know what i mean, I'm still in a honeymoon phase.

0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:20.319
<v Speaker 1>And so at that point, I could separate two. And

0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 1>what had happened was my agent at the time got

0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:29.759
<v Speaker 1>suspended and fifteen I think it was fifteen sixteen, and

0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:33.040
<v Speaker 1>I needed him and he literally could not do business

0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:37.239
<v Speaker 1>for me, and I had to pay. Oh smell, I

0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:39.640
<v Speaker 1>don't make you re evaluate some things. And so I

0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:45.440
<v Speaker 1>was sitting there like how is this life? Speed? And

0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:49.879
<v Speaker 1>the suspension was based on something he's done that somebody else, Yes,

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:54.680
<v Speaker 1>that affected his job and his creditation with the NFL,

0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:58.799
<v Speaker 1>right damn. And so it was deep. But it was

0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:00.919
<v Speaker 1>one of his other clients that he got suspended dinner,

0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:04.600
<v Speaker 1>but but it still affected you, but represent you, but

0:53:04.680 --> 0:53:07.319
<v Speaker 1>he could eat off of you, right, And so I'm

0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:09.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm calling p A. I'm like, hey, what is how

0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:12.120
<v Speaker 1>is this life? Bro? I need him to do certain

0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:14.839
<v Speaker 1>things that he cannot do, and I have to pay him,

0:53:15.960 --> 0:53:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Like he cannot do the job, but I still have

0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:20.400
<v Speaker 1>to pay him. But I'm paying him to do the

0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:23.759
<v Speaker 1>job that he can't do. That he cannot do that

0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:26.239
<v Speaker 1>y'all have suspended him from doing, but you still have

0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:31.120
<v Speaker 1>to pay him? Yeah, you high? I was lived and

0:53:31.160 --> 0:53:33.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, bro, what is the point of having an

0:53:33.520 --> 0:53:35.960
<v Speaker 1>agent if I have to pay him for a job

0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:38.359
<v Speaker 1>that he may not be able to do. And most

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:41.959
<v Speaker 1>of the time they're not doing anything after the initial negotiation,

0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:45.520
<v Speaker 1>What has he done for you? And so I said,

0:53:45.800 --> 0:53:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I called the p A and I said, how did

0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:51.000
<v Speaker 1>contract negotiations work? They said, every single agent that negotiated

0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:53.920
<v Speaker 1>a contract has to send it through them before it

0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:57.880
<v Speaker 1>ever gets approved, and they will look through contract language

0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:02.879
<v Speaker 1>and and that's and that's why and how that's why

0:54:02.960 --> 0:54:07.439
<v Speaker 1>sometimes players are like the kid the linebacker Smith from

0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Chicago because detrimental to the team when they started trying

0:54:11.080 --> 0:54:17.839
<v Speaker 1>to implement those the languages, that language into the contracts.

0:54:18.000 --> 0:54:21.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm one of the very last few guys who

0:54:21.400 --> 0:54:26.560
<v Speaker 1>was able to double dimp because Caroline had to pay

0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:29.480
<v Speaker 1>me and Baltimore was paying me. And so they started

0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:32.279
<v Speaker 1>to take those that do will dipping out. And so

0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:35.799
<v Speaker 1>they allowed it to where if you get cut and

0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:41.640
<v Speaker 1>have guaranteed the mute, the new team has to take that,

0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:48.000
<v Speaker 1>not the old team. And so so so the every

0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:50.040
<v Speaker 1>agent is the agent of the union, like they have

0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:52.080
<v Speaker 1>to be certified by the union, so they have to

0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:54.040
<v Speaker 1>send the contract through them so they can be like, oh,

0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:57.600
<v Speaker 1>we agreed, because that the NFL, the NFL p A

0:54:58.280 --> 0:55:02.480
<v Speaker 1>wants to stay abreast on and some of the new language.

0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:05.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, like any lawyer, all lawyers, they they're they're

0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:08.640
<v Speaker 1>paid to be creative, right, and if the language is bad,

0:55:09.080 --> 0:55:13.160
<v Speaker 1>they're going up, hey, hey, this language, these two paragraphs

0:55:12.880 --> 0:55:15.680
<v Speaker 1>need come out, or or if they if they slip

0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:21.440
<v Speaker 1>through the cracks. Now it's precedent for everybody moving forward. Correct,

0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, hey, you created this cool caveat let

0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:28.960
<v Speaker 1>me let everybody else know. So every every contract NFL

0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:32.840
<v Speaker 1>contract can be if if a player wants it. You

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:35.520
<v Speaker 1>you want all the comps, they'll send them to you

0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:37.640
<v Speaker 1>right now. That email them to you right now. You ask,

0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:39.520
<v Speaker 1>you asked for tim, they'll send your team. You ask

0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:42.240
<v Speaker 1>for a hunter, they'll send your hunter. And so everything

0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:46.040
<v Speaker 1>an agent can do, a player can do for the

0:55:46.040 --> 0:55:47.960
<v Speaker 1>most part in terms of like getting the information. And

0:55:48.000 --> 0:55:51.280
<v Speaker 1>then once my we were agreeing in terms of the contract,

0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:53.879
<v Speaker 1>I send it to the PA just like every agent does.

0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:56.719
<v Speaker 1>That's why the stuff Florio said, He's like, oh, the

0:55:56.800 --> 0:55:59.239
<v Speaker 1>p A really saved Sherman. It's like they didn't really

0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:01.279
<v Speaker 1>save me. They just said the language that was in

0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:05.720
<v Speaker 1>this contract is this is language from um because Jimmy

0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Garoppolo's language was the best language, and say, Eric Armsteads

0:56:09.760 --> 0:56:12.400
<v Speaker 1>language now probably the second best language on the forty niners.

0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:14.040
<v Speaker 1>And so he was like, hey, this is like the

0:56:14.040 --> 0:56:16.200
<v Speaker 1>fifth best language. These are the reasons it's the fifth

0:56:16.239 --> 0:56:18.200
<v Speaker 1>best language. They have this where they can avoid this,

0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:20.120
<v Speaker 1>they can avoid this, So you're gonna want to carve

0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:22.080
<v Speaker 1>these three things out and then the contract is fine.

0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:24.879
<v Speaker 1>And so then I go back and say, hey, carve

0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:28.399
<v Speaker 1>these three things out and we gotta deal. And then

0:56:28.440 --> 0:56:31.160
<v Speaker 1>they say, oh, oh, look the p a safe rich

0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:32.759
<v Speaker 1>to term. It's like, no, they did the same thing

0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:34.279
<v Speaker 1>they do for every single one of these agents, but

0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:37.560
<v Speaker 1>y'all don't want us disrupt in the industry of these agents.

0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:39.680
<v Speaker 1>So you're gonna make a team like the player didn't

0:56:39.719 --> 0:56:42.040
<v Speaker 1>know what he was doing when the same process I

0:56:42.040 --> 0:56:44.920
<v Speaker 1>went through every single agent for every single player has

0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:48.080
<v Speaker 1>to go through. Some agents are obviously with the experience

0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:51.480
<v Speaker 1>in more years, they're more they're more savvy, they understand

0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:55.600
<v Speaker 1>what's going on. Then there's also other areas that as

0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:58.680
<v Speaker 1>a player that you're going to experience, whether it's uh

0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:03.239
<v Speaker 1>injuredy settlements, or there's little things that happened that a

0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:08.640
<v Speaker 1>young a new agent isn't gonna necessarily be up on

0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:12.160
<v Speaker 1>like second opinions that the teams have to give you

0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:14.920
<v Speaker 1>a second opinion. A lot of times if you represent

0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:18.040
<v Speaker 1>yourself getting a second opinion, it becomes a little fickle

0:57:18.320 --> 0:57:21.800
<v Speaker 1>because basically a second opinion saying, hey, doctor or team

0:57:21.840 --> 0:57:26.400
<v Speaker 1>doctor or her team trainer, I really like you. However, however,

0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:30.959
<v Speaker 1>I don't trust you're thinking, and I just want to

0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:34.200
<v Speaker 1>make sure that someone else has a new set of

0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:37.080
<v Speaker 1>pair of eyes because of at times it happens, not

0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:43.959
<v Speaker 1>all the time, but when you have financially invested perspective,

0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:49.480
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna look at this injury based on the economics

0:57:50.560 --> 0:57:54.040
<v Speaker 1>and how it impacts your team, and also how your

0:57:54.080 --> 0:57:57.760
<v Speaker 1>employment impacts how you look at this X ray. That

0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:01.200
<v Speaker 1>is m R I. Right, So if you if you,

0:58:01.400 --> 0:58:03.120
<v Speaker 1>if you work for a team and you look at

0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:06.160
<v Speaker 1>this X ray the wrong way and it cost the

0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:11.240
<v Speaker 1>team twenty million dollars, that that could be problematic. So

0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:14.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, so it's it's it's it's it's loopoles. It's

0:58:14.120 --> 0:58:17.840
<v Speaker 1>things that happened, and there's reasons why, right, But it's

0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:21.960
<v Speaker 1>also like a lot of players, you know, and and

0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:25.400
<v Speaker 1>this is the tough part of just being a black

0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:28.200
<v Speaker 1>athlete and being a black you've been for so long

0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:31.560
<v Speaker 1>cater to like you've always had somebody to call to

0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:35.360
<v Speaker 1>do things. We don't necessarily know all the information. So

0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:38.080
<v Speaker 1>it's like, hey, my agent handles that. So whatever he's

0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:40.480
<v Speaker 1>handling I have no knowledge of. It could be anything.

0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:44.080
<v Speaker 1>It could be buying airplane tickets, it could be renting cards,

0:58:44.120 --> 0:58:46.520
<v Speaker 1>it could be paying my bills. I think I think

0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:48.400
<v Speaker 1>that's a lot of I just think that's a lot

0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:52.320
<v Speaker 1>of athletes in general general. Um, But I had the

0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:56.400
<v Speaker 1>same I had the same agent for my whole career. However,

0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I was negotiating me my agent from two thousand and

0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:07.800
<v Speaker 1>four every contract after that. So we sat down like

0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to know the knowledge of you know, like

0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:16.320
<v Speaker 1>I was a weirdough in this regard. I would do

0:59:16.720 --> 0:59:20.080
<v Speaker 1>whatever they offer me. I would do the calculation after taxes. No,

0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:23.640
<v Speaker 1>they were like, man, that's you know, I'm throwing out

0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:25.560
<v Speaker 1>a number. It just isn't the number. So I'm just

0:59:25.560 --> 0:59:27.360
<v Speaker 1>throwing out, oh, that's twenty MILLI you know you getting

0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:31.080
<v Speaker 1>paid twenty MILLI dollars? Right, man, that's tim five right,

0:59:31.760 --> 0:59:33.320
<v Speaker 1>I's how I would look at it, and so we

0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:36.240
<v Speaker 1>would talk and look at it based on that, and

0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:39.120
<v Speaker 1>then the sentives, hey, I had a workout bonus never

0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:41.480
<v Speaker 1>went I don't care. You can put you can put

0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:43.840
<v Speaker 1>fifty million dollars in there, still ain't showing up. Don't

0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:47.360
<v Speaker 1>want it right Just so that that was that was

0:59:47.400 --> 0:59:51.560
<v Speaker 1>the uniqueness of me. But I had my team, my agent,

0:59:51.680 --> 0:59:55.240
<v Speaker 1>financial guys. They walked me through the steps. They were

0:59:55.280 --> 1:00:00.120
<v Speaker 1>willing to teach me because I was also willing to ask,

1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:03.880
<v Speaker 1>and I was, I was, I want to learn. And

1:00:03.920 --> 1:00:07.960
<v Speaker 1>then I became Hue and then I became an NFL

1:00:07.840 --> 1:00:11.840
<v Speaker 1>play NFL rep. So then I learned about all the

1:00:11.920 --> 1:00:14.560
<v Speaker 1>other stuff as well, and so I was I was

1:00:14.600 --> 1:00:17.120
<v Speaker 1>all over. Yeah, you were all And if we had

1:00:18.000 --> 1:00:23.240
<v Speaker 1>the full lead full of us, we wouldn't. It's tough.

1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:27.120
<v Speaker 1>It's it's too much money out there, right, and it's

1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:30.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's but it's guys. It's it's a bit of laziness,

1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:33.280
<v Speaker 1>it's a lot of laziness and and that. But that's

1:00:33.320 --> 1:00:36.240
<v Speaker 1>the problem guys have when they transition out. It's because

1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:38.720
<v Speaker 1>you don't have anybody cater until you don't have anybody

1:00:38.760 --> 1:00:40.720
<v Speaker 1>to be like hey, go do this. Then you have

1:00:40.840 --> 1:00:42.280
<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to rent a car on your own.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you got to figure out how to pay the

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<v Speaker 1>bills on your own. Then you got to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how to navigate that I can't get nobody don't do that,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of dude but but Steve as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of dudes do. So that's that's something that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I tried anytime I talked to young guys, it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>take accountability, to take responsibility for your own damn life.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I hear you saying your agent said this. You

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<v Speaker 1>agent said that, double checket, double checket, just like if

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<v Speaker 1>you get the third down presentation from your coat and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, he's like, they run this on third unit,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna go ahead and go ahead and check

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<v Speaker 1>to take myself and double check outside of these four

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<v Speaker 1>games you didn't check out because if they ran some

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<v Speaker 1>other stuff, they probably gonna run that. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be the time. Oh man, they went outside of

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<v Speaker 1>the break that. Oh man, we I was ready. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>check the tape or the coach that man, we went

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<v Speaker 1>over it apple and I will say, young men are

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<v Speaker 1>getting better, you know, they're taking more responsibility. You're hearing

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<v Speaker 1>young men way more informed than they were ten fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. And it's like, just keep pushing the envelope,

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<v Speaker 1>last one and then we will let you go. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate your time. What's next for Richard Sherman? For you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in the next ten years, what are you looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to impact? I'm and forward to have a greater impact

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<v Speaker 1>than I have the past ten years. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you going to impact? I'm going to speak more.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to use my platform more, you know, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>the platform I've been given and the voice I've been

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<v Speaker 1>given um with the podcast and Thursday Night Football, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to use it to empower and educate more young people.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be a better dad, and you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna make an impact on kids, my own dad kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and and be at every track meet and every football

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<v Speaker 1>game and every soccer game that I can make and

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that I teach them the lessons that I

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<v Speaker 1>know are essential going forward. And that's that's some of

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<v Speaker 1>the most fun I ever have. Man, It's just being

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<v Speaker 1>there and seeing the growth of your own kids and

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<v Speaker 1>your own see it and seeing them like put forward

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<v Speaker 1>and use the things that you taught them. Hey, man,

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<v Speaker 1>we worked on this a couple of days ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you go to the game and you see the

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<v Speaker 1>things you worked on. Man, I tell you what it's

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<v Speaker 1>It's a super Bowl. Every time you see you're like, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the movie we work on. That's it. And and

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<v Speaker 1>so I find a lot of fulfillment in that, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and also continue to get back to the underprivileged. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the underprivileged with the kids that didn't have a choice,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, they were born into a situation in

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<v Speaker 1>which they couldn't control, and it's it's being able to

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<v Speaker 1>supplement that and try to make their life experience better

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<v Speaker 1>and give them the tools, um, and the resources that

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<v Speaker 1>are necessary for them to throw. That's awesome, man, Well

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you, appreciate your time. I look forward to the

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<v Speaker 1>invite to come on a Richard Sherman podcast as well

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<v Speaker 1>and give you the same energy you gave me, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and so man, look forward to it. God bless you, man,

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<v Speaker 1>and look forward to watch you on Thursday night football.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate and Uh, when you you know, I'll be I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be in studio going on before you guys. Um. It

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<v Speaker 1>with with the network. So if you throw any anything

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<v Speaker 1>out there that seems like a shade or a cap,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call you out. I'm stealing everything you say.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna taking notes and be like, oh, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>great point. Appreciate that, alright, Appreciate it, alright, appreciate all right.

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