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Speaker 1: Well, hey, everybody, it is me Rosi o'donald star the Flintstones.

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Speaker 1: Glad you found me here. On onward with Rosi O'Donnell

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Speaker 1: your host. That's me. Well, sad news Shenead O'Connor is

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Speaker 1: no longer with us. Heartbreaking to me. Really such a

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Speaker 1: wonderful warrior woman she is and was, and I had

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Speaker 1: tremendous respect and compassion and empathy for her and was

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Speaker 1: But she was struggling to stay alive, and she talked

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Speaker 1: about it openly, and she talked about things that other

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Speaker 1: people weren't ready to face, like the horrible child sex

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Speaker 1: abuse in the Catholic Church and ripping up the Pope's

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Speaker 1: picture was about that. And then we caught up about

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Speaker 1: a decade later and everybody was like, wow, I guess

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Speaker 1: she was right. But she was ostracized and her records

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Speaker 1: and CDs burned and bulldozed, and she was bullied, and

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Speaker 1: you know, she was an angelic presence on earth who

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Speaker 1: had suffered so much child abuse, and she talked about

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Speaker 1: that too. That you know, in all of the United

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Speaker 1: Kingdom that Ireland had the highest levels of child abuse.

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Speaker 1: And I just loved her, That's all I can say.

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Speaker 1: And she lost her son. I can't imagine what that

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Speaker 1: feels like for any parent, and I believe that's hard

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Speaker 1: to survive. So to everyone who's done that, good for

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Speaker 1: you for staying around, and for those who couldn't make it,

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Speaker 1: we wish you peace on your journey onward. Somewhere in

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Speaker 1: the universe. I believe so are still with us. Energy

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Speaker 1: can't be created or destroyed, right, isn't that? So you

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Speaker 1: when someone goes. I believe it lives on. It lives on.

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Speaker 1: We have a wonderful, wonderful guest today. It's one of

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Speaker 1: my very close friends. Her name is Sheila Evans and

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Speaker 1: she is eighty four years old. She doesn't like when

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Speaker 1: I tell people that, but I think it's pretty astounding

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Speaker 1: that she is as old as she is, looking as

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Speaker 1: is on it. Who is she? Well, she's the queen

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Speaker 1: of documentary films in the United States, probably in the

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Speaker 1: entire world. She has overseen productions of five hundred documentaries.

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Speaker 1: She's got thirty two Primetime Emmys, nominated for seventy nine

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Speaker 1: Academy Awards, won twenty six of them, thirty five News

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Speaker 1: and Documentary Emmys, forty two Peabody Awards for HBO, and

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Speaker 1: one Personal Peabody awarded to her for Outstanding Achievement and Documentaries.

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Speaker 1: She also received a News and Documentary Emmy for Lifetime Achievement,

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Speaker 1: the Lifetime Achievement Award from the International Documentary Association Visionary

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Speaker 1: Leadership Award. The National Board of Review presented her with

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Speaker 1: a Humanitarian Award for her contribution to the advancement of

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Speaker 1: as well the New York Women in Film Television Muse

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Speaker 1: Award for Outstanding Vision and Achievement, and Sheila Nevins was

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Speaker 1: inducted into the Broadcasting in Cables Hall of Fame. She

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Speaker 1: is the woman I hope to grow up to be.

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Speaker 1: I love her so much. I've made a bunch of

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Speaker 1: documentaries with her, and she's someone I always go to

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Speaker 1: for an vice in my life and with my kids.

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Speaker 1: And she's an adoptive mom just like me, and she's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: It brought me such joy to do it and to

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Speaker 1: introduce you all who may not know the brilliance of

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Speaker 1: Sheila Evans. Stick around because you're gonna be wowed. Speaking

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Speaker 1: of being wowed, I saw the Barbie Movie and just

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Speaker 1: like Shila, it's a feminist manifesto. I freaking loved it.

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Speaker 1: It is such an important film to take your daughters

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Speaker 1: to and your sons to see the brilliance of this movie. Listen.

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Speaker 1: When I first heard that there was a movie about Barbie,

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Speaker 1: I had no interest in seeing it. Then I started

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Speaker 1: reading the reviews and talking to friends. So I took

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Speaker 1: was a leader in this world and she fought out

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Speaker 1: against injustice. And Sheila and Evans, she's a leader in

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Speaker 1: this world. She finds stories of human nature, she puts

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Speaker 1: put on a few Shenado O'Connor records, and sit back

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Speaker 1: and listen to this interview. It was Sheila Evans documentary

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Speaker 1: Queen Right now on onward Now listen, Sheilan Evans, you

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Speaker 2: Four years old. I'm ready, hy I should be exiting.

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Speaker 1: You're eighty four and you're a whipper snapper as sharp

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Speaker 2: I don't know about the snapro part. I'm a whipper.

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Speaker 1: Do you begrudge yourself for getting old or do you

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Speaker 3: My mother died at fifty seven, and my father I

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Speaker 2: He could have been.

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Speaker 1: Seventy nine or eighty whatever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I hate it. It's not meant to be,

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Speaker 3: you know. I think all it's pharmaceuticals and botox and

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Speaker 1: Got it? Well, you are the foremost authority on documentaries

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Speaker 1: in the country. Would you say that, sheil and Evans.

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Speaker 2: I like that you think so?

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Speaker 1: I don't think it. I know it now.

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Speaker 2: You're very sweet.

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Speaker 3: I was there when no one else was there, So

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Speaker 3: I get credit for creating something that had already existed.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense, Yes, it does because HBO. You

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Speaker 1: you were the first and only one to have that position,

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Speaker 3: I thought docs were about like, you know, Hitler's Last

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Speaker 3: could be about people. Yes, I didn't know, because my

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Speaker 2: I had no I just didn't know. But I wanted the.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, and then I got kicked out.

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Speaker 3: I think it was agism first. I think it was misogyny,

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Speaker 3: like famous people. I like, you know, ordinary people. If

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Speaker 1: A minimum wage. Of course, right, And.

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Speaker 3: That was not the star studded way to approach reality

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Speaker 2: And so I was like a naughty girl.

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Speaker 1: You talked back, and you stood up for the things

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was I have a spot of arrogance,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I love that about you. I thought, I

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Speaker 2: So, you're not paying my salary.

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Speaker 1: But I would, Sheila, I would, Oh, of course I would.

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Speaker 1: I would hire you to be the documentarian of the nation.

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Speaker 2: Come on, in this nation that's all fucked up.

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Speaker 1: It's so fucked up, I believe it is. How are

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. Back back and back.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm doing a documentary on book banning and the

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Speaker 3: books that are banned, like the James Baldwin book and

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Speaker 2: And I mean It's like unbelievable. What's banned? Mouse is banned?

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Speaker 3: I mean, right, kids cannot take out of their libraries

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Speaker 3: going to do? Read books about nice, happy little children

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: No, it's just horrifying, And I think I can't believe.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm wearing my Row nineteen seventy three shirt, a

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Speaker 1: Roe V. Wade, you know, I wear it every day,

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Speaker 1: like I want to walk around and go, screw you

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Speaker 1: all for doing this, for getting us back here? How

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Speaker 2: You know, when you talk about abortions, my abortion was

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Speaker 3: death just yet, but I mean, of all the things,

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Speaker 3: then being thrown on a couch with four other women

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Speaker 1: Isn't he charming?

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Speaker 1: It was charming. It was charming. And that's where we

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Speaker 3: I mean, it really is a terrifying experience and why

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Speaker 3: I think it all comes from a certain kind of misogyny.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it has anything to do with God

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Speaker 3: men can't. What can they do? They can have babies,

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Speaker 3: let's go after that. It has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: Yes, I completely agree with you, and the fact that

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Speaker 2: It's just like, well, but discrutiny court. I don't really

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Speaker 2: Neither oural government job.

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Speaker 3: Is for life, right, there are terms for everybody else,

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Speaker 3: And you go on the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: You're basically defying or ratifying the laws of a nation,

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Speaker 2: and you're there for life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 2: That's horrible.

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Speaker 1: It's horrible. We'll be back right after this. What do

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Speaker 1: you think about Biden? Are you a supporter? What do

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Speaker 3: I think he means well because I'm so subjected to

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Speaker 1: Why not? Why not better than a president who wants

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Speaker 3: that says you have aesophageal reflex, which could be cancer.

438
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you should call your physician right away.

439
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: So I do what it tells me.

440
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 2: But I wait till I get to this serious part

441
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: of the symptoms.

442
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 1: Do you think your interest in people and your compassion

443
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: for people and real stories comes from your childhood and

444
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,479
Speaker 1: your mother and your dealing with her illness your whole life.

445
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: And you know, you tell me a beautiful story once

446
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 1: about going to a diner with your mom when she

447
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: was not well and had lost parts of her body.

448
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: And do you remember the story.

449
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: My mother had this disease called Rainoid's disease and scleroderma,

450
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 3: mm hmm, and she would lose appendages from the time

451
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 3: I was very little. You know, my mother had like

452
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 3: four toes on one foot and half of a toe

453
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 3: on the other. Then she lost fingers, and she lost

454
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 3: an arm above the wrist, and she lost it above

455
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 3: the elbow, and then she lost a leg. Well, you know,

456
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: I don't mean to go to the details, but I

457
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: think that I don't know why I don't want to

458
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 3: go to detail, because they were true. But the thing was,

459
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 3: I watched the way people looked at her. I realized

460
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 3: that difference hurts the person who carries difference with them,

461
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 3: and whether it's about sexuality, or race, or disabilities of

462
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 3: various kinds, that those people need defending, yes, as just

463
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 3: one of us, because we all have our disabilities. They

464
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 3: don't always show, you know. Although I didn't get along

465
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 3: with her very well and I had a tough childhood,

466
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 3: I think I'm very grateful to her for a certain

467
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: kind of empathetic look at the outsider, you know, right,

468
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: because I had all.

469
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: The reasons to be an insider. Tall, I was pretty,

470
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: I was smart, you know all that, But.

471
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 3: I never felt that way because I would go around

472
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 3: with my mother, or I would drive her car that

473
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 3: had handbrakes. I never get into a car and drive

474
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,239
Speaker 3: it without feeling guilty because her car was fixed by

475
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: Volvo to have handbrakes, because you'd know, fingers on one

476
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: hand and one on the other, so everything was different.

477
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: The brakes were different, the thing was different. And when

478
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 3: I get into a car and you just put it

479
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 3: on and you turn it on, you go, I always

480
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 3: think of my mother's car, right, and that mays think

481
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 3: of other people, which is that it's not easy, you know,

482
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 3: to go up a fly to stayers if you don't

483
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 3: have ALA exactly, and it's not easy if there is

484
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 3: an access for those of us who are wounded. But

485
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 3: I also think I learned that everybody's wounded somehow, except

486
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 3: for arrogant or the Supreme Court.

487
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 2: I think everybody wounds, whether they show or not.

488
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, I'm interested in the

489
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: wounded because not anyone else is going to tell their

490
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: story right exactly. But that's why I think you're so

491
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: great at what you do, Sheila, because you have this

492
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: unending well of compassion from all that you've lived. But

493
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't compassionate to my mother. Rosie was well, that

494
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: was a difficult situation, right, He.

495
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: Kept me back from everything.

496
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: You know.

497
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: I wanted to go places, and I couldn't go because

498
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 3: you know, I had to take care of my mother.

499
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: And one day I came home from school and I

500
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: mean it was Ashley College and they were like police

501
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 3: outside the building, and I had mixed feelings about what

502
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: I thought might be going on on the third floor.

503
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 3: And when I got upstairs, it was the beginning of

504
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 3: the child proof top.

505
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: Yes, and my mother had pain medication in it and

506
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: she couldn't open it. So she dialed. I guess it

507
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: was nine to one, one then two. I don't know this.

508
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 3: We're going back thirty years, forty years, maybe even more.

509
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: She couldn't get the top wall.

510
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: And her neighbor wasn't there, and I wasn't home on time,

511
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: and it was a new bottle of pain stuff, and

512
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: so the police came to open the bottle. Wow, you

513
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: know those were the.

514
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: Days when the police came. Different time, but yeah, very

515
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 2: different time. But I remembered that very strongly because you know,

516
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: they don't usually get calls like that, and I've learned

517
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 2: a lot about policemen, but they were very kind to

518
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: this woman. And I mean she was very young, you know,

519
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: she was in it maybe forties at the time that

520
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: that happened. And I, you know, I just remembered my mom.

521
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 2: You know, can't open a bottle and I have to

522
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: be there. Those bottles you have to push down, twist. Yeah,

523
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: but you can't do that if you don't have fingers, right,

524
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: couldn't She couldn't hold the bottle and do it. Yeah,

525
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 2: And she tried and tried and tried, and you know,

526
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: the bottle was like squished in different ways. Yeah, I'm

527
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: try to hammer it.

528
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 3: She tried to do all kinds of things you know,

529
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: that she could grasp and I never forgot.

530
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, do you have any happy stories

531
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: to tell.

532
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: Me about How's David is? David good?

533
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: David is an interesting character.

534
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: David is her beautiful son who I love very much.

535
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: He's been very darling. Little boy. He doesn't like me, yes,

536
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: he does.

537
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: He loves you, she does, cries No, David.

538
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 3: Loves me, but the little boy because I don't go

539
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: that much. You know, every day when you have a

540
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 3: grand chop, your whole life is going to be different.

541
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you want to look at me. I think

542
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: I come on to the straw like your grandma.

543
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. How old is he? How old is the baby?

544
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: He's almost a year and a half.

545
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's into drag queens.

546
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: Great, he has all these. One of the books that's

547
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: banned is called Little Miss Hot Something, and it's a

548
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: children's book like to Read the Eight or something like

549
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: that picture book of.

550
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: Someone who says, the drag Queen goes Swish Swish Swish

551
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: drag Kings Retreat reach. And one day I couldn't find

552
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: anything to bring because I try to bring something so

553
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: maybe he'll be happy to see me. And so I

554
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: bring this little book drag Queens, and he grabs it wrapped.

555
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: You know, I wrapped it and you know, whatever paper,

556
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: it's fine, and you know, he opens it and he

557
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: gives it to his mother and she starts to read it,

558
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: and he's captivated by this book.

559
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: Wow.

560
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: The next morning, I call, you know, just call, see

561
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: how's it going. She said, I'll never forgive you for

562
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: that book. He woke up this morning.

563
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: And he said, instead of saying that, you know, they

564
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: wait to say momy, right, you know that the year

565
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: it when nobody else years, Oh, they just said momy.

566
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: So he says his first word, which, oh that's so funny.

567
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: Come on.

568
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: He goes running the walks, waddling to his sort of

569
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: playpen area and he picks up the book and she

570
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: said she had to read it six times to him.

571
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: He wanted to hear it again and again.

572
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: And he has a special move where he gets on

573
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: the couch and he you know, loves his hips back

574
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: and forth. So if in twenty years I won't be around,

575
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: I guess. But in twenty years, if he becomes a

576
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: drag queen, I take full response.

577
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: Full credit. There you go, full credit. That's how to

578
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: see your son be a dad.

579
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: It's very touching. Yeah, because he's he's an interesting character.

580
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: He had certainly an addiction problem. He had Tourettes, which

581
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: was also problematic.

582
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: Which was a wonderful documentary you did as well, which

583
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: was beautiful.

584
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: I have threats, but Touretts doesn't have me. Yeah, but

585
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: I think it had him for a while, but he

586
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: outgrew it. But the thing is, I see Touretts and

587
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: other people, you know, I see people doing things and.

588
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: I, you know, I understand. I don't say anything. I

589
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: don't know that they know it. But people have the

590
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: wrong conception.

591
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: They think Tourett's is where people say push, you know,

592
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: and all that stuff.

593
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: That's not what.

594
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: It's like obesity, it's like alcoholism, it's like anything else.

595
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: It's your brain.

596
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: And the medications that he has taken over the years

597
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: have really helped him tremendously not to be made fun

598
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: of in school, right, to.

599
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: Be very smart, and in this case, to be very loving. Right,

600
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: he loves this little boy. That's so great. Yeah, it's nice,

601
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: life altering. You're a grandma too, I'm a grandma three times.

602
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: In fact, Chelsea's pregnant again. No, yes, she's pregnant with

603
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: her fourth at twenty five years old. Did the kids

604
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: cry when they see you? No?

605
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: Then they called me a Grandma Rose, which I just

606
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: think is so funny. I was like, how about Nana?

607
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: And they're like, hello, Grandma Rose?

608
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: Why is grandma bad word? Everybody said, does he.

609
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: Call you girl? I don't mind grandma, but I had

610
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: a nana, so I wanted to be Nana. Oh yeah,

611
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: But I just think it's so funny. Hello Grandma Rose.

612
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, hello, honey, how are you? My daughter in

613
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: law tries to get him to call me she she

614
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: mm hmm. But I still don't mind being grandma and

615
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: I kind of like it. I mean, you know, what

616
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: the hell? Yeah exactly.

617
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: I never earned it.

618
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: You earned it. Hey, listen, did you hear about the

619
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: Menendez brothers may get out of jail because one of

620
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: the boys from the band Minudo, which was managed by

621
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: their father, right, said that he was brutally raped by

622
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: Jose Menendez as well. He was thirteen, really, so they

623
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: have new evidence and they might.

624
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: How do you find out if it's true.

625
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: I know that it's true because I've spoken to Lyle

626
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: Menendez and his wife. Pretty fascinating. I thought, this is

627
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: a documentary waiting to be had. But aren't there two

628
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: there are two brothers, Yes, Lyle and Eric abused. Yes,

629
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: only one. One was abused till he was eight and

630
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: then it stopped, and unbeknownst to him, he went to

631
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: the younger brother and supposedly five days before the incident,

632
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: the mother admitted that she knew all along what the

633
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: father was doing. Was that in the original trial, Well,

634
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: here's the interesting thing. The original trial was a hung

635
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: jury six six and they allowed the evidence of sex

636
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: abuse to be in the trial. But then Rodney King

637
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: and oj Simpson both were done in that time period

638
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: between the first trial and the second trial. And the

639
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: second trial the judge, same judge said there will be

640
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: no evidence of sex abuse in this trial. And that's

641
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: when they got well that's not right, correct, And they

642
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: tried to do a rid of habeas for that, and

643
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: now they have another rid of habeas And I just thought,

644
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: you know, I said, this, this is a documentary that

645
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: has to be made. You know, thirty years ago, we

646
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: weren't willing to even entertain the concept that sometimes fathers

647
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: raped their sons as well as their daughters, not just

648
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: their daughters.

649
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: You know, sounds interesting. I'm you know, I don't know why.

650
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: I'm always suspicious of retrials in some way. You either

651
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: did it or you didn't. Does that mean you kill

652
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: your father?

653
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: Well? You know if you hear the mother also was

654
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: incestuous with the older brother with Lyle as well when

655
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: he got to be a teenager. So, I don't know.

656
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Speaker 1: I just thought, if anyone's going to do this documentary,

657
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: it should be you, you know, you and Rory Kennedy

658
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: together again.

659
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: You know, good old Rory.

660
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: I love her so much.

661
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: Wasn't she the best?

662
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: Ever?

663
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: What are we going to do about the brother?

664
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Speaker 1: Though? What are we going to do about the brother? Right?

665
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Speaker 2: Oh?

666
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: God? I was just into the other day and said,

667
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: I think he's doing a disservice to everyone I know.

668
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: But it's so amazing.

669
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: I mean when I knew him many many years ago,

670
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: he was saving the fish in nuts, right, he was

671
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: an involvementalist and he was, you know, this amazing Kennedy.

672
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: And then I thought, whoah, you know, yeah, where are

673
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: we now? Family?

674
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: Hold on?

675
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: And then this this, I mean, he doesn't only not

676
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 3: believe in the COVID vaccine. He doesn't believe the children

677
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 3: should be vackine. I know he has very dangerous ideas

678
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: and theories. I'm not a supporter of his. Listen, Sheilan Evans.

679
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: I don't know who's better than you. I don't think

680
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: there's anyone.

681
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: Well, I don't allow people that are better than me.

682
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: There's you tell me too, Come on, not make give

683
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: me two people better than you that we both know,

684
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: although we both know I know one. You're gonna say,

685
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,959
Speaker 1: Larry Kramer, that's who are your buddy? Rightwing?

686
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: My best friend, I mean still even though he's not

687
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: in yourn anymore. Yeah, I know he's dead, But I

688
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: when I'm very unsure of something, I remember he always

689
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 3: used to say.

690
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: Do it, yeah, do it right.

691
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: Well, I hear that boys, and he was you know,

692
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: I didn't think that this would be a friend.

693
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 3: It was the furthest thing from my mind. It was

694
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: just to meet someone who we were doing a documentary about.

695
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: And I heard he was just a mean son of

696
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: a bitch, and he could be mean, but it was

697
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: never mean to me right, never mean to me either.

698
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: I enjoyed him as well.

699
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: He liked people who were open about wounds, right. He

700
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 2: didn't like wonders right, and he was but he was difficult.

701
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: It was difficult.

702
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: You know.

703
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: I had this one thing with him, which was the

704
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: one big laugh we had towards the end, which was

705
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: he liked Nova, locks and cream, cheese, everything bagel, right,

706
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: and so I would always stop and get him Ova, locks, cream, cheese,

707
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: babel at this sort of Jewish towel del testin down

708
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Speaker 2: the block. It must have been a Jewish holiday.

709
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: This door was closed, and so I went to local

710
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: deli and you know, had a lovely man make me

711
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: locks and cream.

712
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: She's singing, I'm damn right.

713
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: He took one bite of it and he said, it's

714
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 3: not Nova. I only want Nova, and he gave me back.

715
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 3: Now it wasn't Nova. He didn't want he wanted the

716
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 3: finest Nova anyway. Yeah, I miss him.

717
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sheila, I love you so much. I think you're

718
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: the greatest And okay, I love you. There's nobody i'd

719
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: rather hang with.

720
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: You're good hearted star.

721
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: So are you honey?

722
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: Let us start.

723
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll be back with questions from the listeners. Don't

724
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: go away, Okay, how fabulous is Sheila? Evans right, she's

725
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: too much. I love you so much, Sheila. Here we

726
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: go questions from you the listener. Hi, Rosie O'Donnell. I

727
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: just like saying your first and last name together. It's

728
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: Kim calling from beautiful Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.

729
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 4: I just want to say how delightful it is to

730
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 4: hear you on the radio again every week. I grew up,

731
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 4: you know, watching your TV show of course, watching you

732
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 4: on the View, watching your movies and listening to your

733
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 4: days on Rosie Radio with Jeannette and the rest of

734
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 4: the great crew that you had there. So I'm just

735
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 4: loving having you on the radio again and listening to

736
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 4: you every week on your podcast. It's been delightful. The

737
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 4: one with bridget Effort was amazing. I know one thing

738
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 4: you mentioned last time, and this kind of leads into

739
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 4: my question is postmen apausal women and you are as

740
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 4: you are one and as someone who is fifty two

741
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: right now and going through the change, so to speak,

742
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 4: I'm wondering if you have any tips, tricks or did

743
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 4: you take any specific supplements.

744
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: Basically, how was your menopausal journey? Anyway?

745
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 4: Thanks so much for doing this podcast, loving it so much.

746
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: And love you, take good care. Thank you, Kim. That

747
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: is so sweet. I love hearing from the listeners because

748
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, I could put a little voice and I

749
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: make up a face in my head, and I think

750
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: about your lives and what you're doing, and it's very

751
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: enjoyable for me. Truthfully, Kim, menopause is horrible. There's no

752
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: way around it. When I first went through it, which

753
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: was in my early forties, because menopause started for me

754
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: at forty, which was shocking, I wanted to punch every

755
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 1: woman I saw on the supermarket right in the face,

756
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: because if they were older than me, I wanted to say,

757
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: why didn't you write a book about this? Why didn't

758
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: you tell someone? It was really, really exhausting for me.

759
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: I was sweating through my clothes. I couldn't go to

760
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: the mall because by the time I was halfway through,

761
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: I looked like I was in the shower. My head

762
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: would get wet, so it looked like I had wet

763
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: hair all the well, I did have wet hair, but

764
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: it looked like that greasy, slicked back. I was so

765
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: hot that in the middle of the winter in Nyack,

766
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: New York, I opened the door to the outside where

767
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: there was snow on the ground, and I stood out

768
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: there naked for thirty minutes or two in the morning

769
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: because I couldn't bear just how hot I was. Now,

770
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: I did go on hormone replacement therapy, the stuff that

771
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: you cream that you put on your arms, but I

772
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: then had a heart attack, and the doctor from my

773
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: heart attack said, you are not doing them anymore. So

774
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: I'm not going to try to cause a controversy about

775
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: who believes what or what I know. For me, I'm

776
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: not doing them. Everybody has to make their own decision,

777
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: and you know, being that I had a massive heart attack,

778
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: it was something that the doctor was very much against.

779
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: So do your own research again and find out. But

780
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: I wish you luck. I would say, bring the heavy

781
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: duty fan everywhere you go. I would say, know that

782
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: it's really hard, and ask your doctor about natural supplements

783
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: that you can take that might lessen some of the symptoms.

784
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: But for me, honey, it was pure hell, Kim, I

785
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: wish you the best. It's not for whimps, I could

786
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: tell you that, So good luck to you and all

787
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: the other women out there. All right, do we have

788
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: another one coming from another listener? Let's see hi Rosie.

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Speaker 5: This is Mike from Perry Hall, Maryland. I've been a

790
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 5: longtime fan and really enjoyed your talk show when you

791
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 5: had it back in the nineties. My question for you

792
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 5: is about the movie you made, Riding the Books with

793
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 5: my sister. Can you talk about the prep that it

794
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 5: took in order to get yourself ready for such a

795
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 5: role on it? Very interesting how you were able to

796
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 5: embody such a character. I was a teacher for a

797
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 5: long time and I was in charge of working with

798
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 5: students who had developmental disabilities, and I must say, you

799
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 5: did such a fantastic job embodying somebody with such gifts.

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00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 5: So if you could share some of your experience from that,

801
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 5: that would be greatly appreciated. Much gratitude to you, my friend.

802
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 5: Take good care.

803
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mike, you said like a great guy, somebody

804
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: I'd like to hang out with. Good for you for

805
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: the work that you've done with your life. And I

806
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: have special place in my heart for all the people

807
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: who have spent their life helping people with different challenges.

808
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: You know, now that I have a child with autism,

809
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: I am so obsessed and surrounded by all the concepts

810
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: of inclusion and acceptance and tall rance and the movie

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Speaker 1: Riding the Bus with my sister is one of my

812
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: favorite things I've ever done. Angelica Houston directed it. It

813
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: was based on a book, it was made into a movie,

814
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: and I was lucky to have a friend named Karen

815
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: who had a friend who had nearly the same kind

816
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: of obsessive compensation in the bus and subway systems of

817
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 1: New York.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: I befriended her and we had dinner a bunch of times,

820
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: we were at someone's house and just hanging out and talking.

821
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: And what I was doing was really an exact copy

822
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: of that woman. And I'm so grateful to her for

823
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: allowing me to be so close to kind of absorb

824
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: a lot of her essence before I ever got to

825
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: do the film. You know, and you wonder and worry

826
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: when you do a film like that, how do you

827
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: best serve the subject matter? How do you make this

828
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: character as real as real can be, as real as

829
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: any other character. You have to sink into it and

830
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: find a place where it lives inside your body. And

831
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: it was a very big challenge, and I was so

832
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: grateful that I got the opportunity, and what an amazing

833
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: vehicle that movie was, and I think what it says

834
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: about about family and about need and fitting in and

835
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: feeling that you have a safe place to land is

836
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: important for every human being. And that's what I tried

837
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: to convey, was to give her Beth Simon, such a

838
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: full and colorful interior life and world. And thank you

839
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Speaker 1: for the praise for that. I really do appreciate that, Mike,

840
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: and again, thank you for all the work that you've

841
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: done with your life. Okay, I think we got time

842
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: for one more.

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00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 7: Hey, Rosie, my name is Rory James, and like a

844
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 7: lot of people who call in, I grew up watching

845
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 7: your show and I loved it so much. It meant

846
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 7: so much to me and it still does. You know,

847
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 7: long before I had any idea that I was a

848
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 7: big homeo gay, you and your show just made me

849
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 7: feel understood. It just felt like my people, you know.

850
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 6: Just the laughs and the silliness and the obsessions and

851
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 6: the fun just the best. These days, I'm a stand

852
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 6: up comic here in LA and I wanted to know

853
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 6: what stand up comedy advice you would give comics like

854
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 6: me who are out there grinding it out and trying

855
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 6: to work our way up in this current era.

856
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 7: I know you don't do stand up as often these days,

857
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 7: but if you ever need an opening act, I could

858
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 7: do it ty five, I could do it tight, ten,

859
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 7: I could do it tight twenty. Whatever you need, O'Donnell.

860
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 7: I got you. I love you so much, and I

861
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 7: hope you feel the love from all of us who

862
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 7: you've impacted over the years. You're the best, Rosie.

863
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: I really do feel the love I got to tell you,

864
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: and it really is very heartwarming every time that I

865
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: do an interview and I record someone and then we

866
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: take the questions at the end, it's always kind of

867
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: my favorite part to get to hear what the listener

868
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: thinks and what they're wondering about. And the kindness is overwhelming.

869
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd think from all these that we only

870
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: picked ones that are complimentary. We got to find some

871
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: that are, you know, not as effusive, but we don't

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Speaker 1: do that on purpose. It's the majority of people who

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Speaker 1: leave a message, So thank you all for that. I

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Speaker 1: really do appreciate it. As for stand up, you know,

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Speaker 1: the only thing I say to everyone is if you

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Speaker 1: want to surf, you got to get in the water,

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Speaker 1: and if you want to be a stand up comic,

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Speaker 1: you got to get in that stage every single time

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Speaker 1: you can. I don't care where it is, I don't

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Speaker 1: care what it is. You accept the gig and you

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Speaker 1: go and you do it because every single performance you

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Speaker 1: learn from. And you know, Malcolm Gladwell said you need

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Speaker 1: ten thousand hours before you become an expert at anything,

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Speaker 1: and you need ten thousand hours on a stage in

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Speaker 1: some way. You know, you need to be as familiar

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Speaker 1: with that stage as you are with your own home,

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Speaker 1: as you are with your kitchen, that you can walk

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Speaker 1: around that it's yours, that from the time you step

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Speaker 1: on that stage, you command the room from that. You

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Speaker 1: know your control based that little, tiny, ten foot sometimes

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Speaker 1: smaller stage. And I'm thinking about doing some stand up

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Speaker 1: around La, and I would love to see you do

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Speaker 1: some stand up around La. Keep doing it, honey, keep

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Speaker 1: doing it. The more you serf, the better you get.

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Speaker 1: So get in the water, mister. Thank you everybody. Wonderful,

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Speaker 1: wonderful to hear from all of you, and please send

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Speaker 1: us your voice memo so we can play them here

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Speaker 1: on our podcast. And next week, my friend Marcy Marie,

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Speaker 1: who's spent ten years in prison in the Texas prison

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Speaker 1: system and is now an advocate working to help people

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Speaker 1: understand just how badly the situation is, especially in the

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Speaker 1: Texas prison system. She's a wonderful, wonderful woman. I've become

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Speaker 1: friends with her and her fiance, and I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to introduce her to all of you. Next week, that's

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Speaker 1: Marcy Marie and we'll be talking about the women's incarceration

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Speaker 1: and set up that they have there in Texas. Peace out, everybody,

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Speaker 1: have a great week. We'll see you next week.