1 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: It's the crime Round Up with the star of Merritt Street, 2 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Y'all know her, y'all love her, But let 3 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: me tell you straight out of the gate, it's gratitude, baby, Nancy. Wednesday, 4 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: we got the call that my sister Sheila is in remission, 5 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: and I just again want to tell you, you know, all 6 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: the prayers, the phone call, that FaceTime shut up David, 7 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: all of it has just been so remarkable. But you 8 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: know Sheila, and she's got that wicked sense of humor. 9 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: So when we knew she had to go through six 10 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: chemo sessions, the four of us decided we're going to 11 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: do a theme for every session. So her fifth one, 12 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: which was Wednesday, was all New Orleans. Well, me and 13 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: Charlene and Hug's girlfriend Fernanda, we decided we're going to 14 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: throw in some voodoo dolls, just banashed them Hex's baby. 15 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: So when Sheila got to the doctor, she always takes 16 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: this little bag with her of all her favorite stuff. 17 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: So the doctor said, look, I'm looking at your pet scan. 18 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: It's gone. You are in remission. So Sheila's texting us 19 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: because she can't make a phone call from the doctor's office, 20 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: and I responded back to her, after all the crying 21 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: and celebrating, and I said, please tell me that when 22 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: the nurses and all were talking to you, you had 23 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: your voodoo dolls. She said, I had God and voodoo dolls. 24 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: You know, Cheryl McCollum, I just don't even know what 25 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: to say. I'm so overwhelmed with the news because you know, 26 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: I didn't expect good news. You know, when our line 27 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: of business, we always expect the worst to happen. 28 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: You know. 29 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: I hope for the best, but here a brace for 30 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: the worst, and that when I get good news. I 31 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: swear to Cheryl, I think I cry more when I 32 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: get good news than when I get bad news because 33 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: it's you know, we don't get it that much in 34 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: our line of business. So I'm just going to keep 35 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: praising the Lord for that wonderful, wonderful news. And I 36 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: just wanted to tell you that I met a mom 37 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: and I'd like you to pray for her son, little 38 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: boy Gooner gu n n a R. He has something 39 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: called Burkett slimphoma and it created a huge mask impressing 40 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 2: in his heart, so he originally presented with heart failure. 41 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: He just had his fifth round of chemo and he 42 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: has had every side effect you can get. Now he's 43 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 2: got septicis, which is bacteria in the blood, and he 44 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 2: is having a really hard time fighting the infection and 45 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: the lim foma. And this little boy is just turned twelve, goonar. 46 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 2: So if you would just send up a prayer for him, 47 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: because you know, Cheryl, prayer does change things. It does. 48 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: It works. 49 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: Of course. On the other hand, I thank God from 50 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: unanswered prayers because if I had got my prayers answered 51 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: the way I wanted them in high school, I would 52 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: be living in a double white in South Georgia right now, 53 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: and I. 54 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: Would never have become a crime fighter that said. 55 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: Awkward and upward, onward and upward, no offense to double whites. 56 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: Did never tell you. It makes me so mad when 57 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: somebody says trailer trash because my granny, that my grandmother 58 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: was Lucy Mama. Her mother, granny, smart lady. Her husband 59 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: was not one for work, Okay, he liked to go 60 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: to the courthouse and watch trials all day long while 61 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: granny worked. She bought a whole farm. And guess where 62 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: she got the money, Cheryl. She never got past third grade. 63 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: She got the money out of Mason jars. You know 64 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: that you can things in sure that she had planted 65 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: all around that property she was renting, and she went. 66 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: She dug up every single one. She paid for a 67 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: huge plot of land in Middle Georgia with cash and 68 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: worked it. But you know, built a big up well 69 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: in those days, a big home, but big enough for 70 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: her family and her parents to live in. It's not 71 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: a big home. In fact, people today would call it 72 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: very very small, but for them it was big because 73 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: they had three bedrooms. Okay, So anyway, you know, with 74 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 2: a tin roof at a clabord side, at a front porch. 75 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: But long story short, with her house started filling up 76 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: with all her children, my grandmother and her children, she 77 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: got a trailer and she pulled it up to the 78 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: side of that house and she went to live out 79 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: there on that farm that she had bought with cash, 80 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 2: and she lived there. It was silver, like an airstream 81 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: looking trailer. So I hear people say something about a trailer, 82 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: it just puts my teeth on edge. 83 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: And hey, here's the deal, that double wide, whatever y'all 84 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: want to say about it, it's theirs. They earned it, 85 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: they worked for it. 86 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: That's like Cheryl McCollum, Now, would we like to talk 87 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: about crime or my great grandmother? Which one you pick? 88 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 2: That's a hard call. It was a hard choice. 89 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: I think we probably could learn more listening to your grandma. 90 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: But I am going to move on because I do 91 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: want people to know something that's happened this week that 92 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: I think is extraordinary. And you people do not understand 93 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: the just three sixty way you work crime And they say, well, 94 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: we know her from TV and we know she's got 95 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: a show that ain't you. You are a boots on 96 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: the ground expert finding evidence testing crime fighter, and this 97 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: week you were no different than you've been since the 98 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: day I met you. What can we do to move 99 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: this thing forward? Who can we get, what can we 100 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: make somebody go through? And what you did this week 101 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: with the Sebastian Rogers case is you got the biological 102 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: father to take a polygraph and what that does for 103 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: the people that are going to be the naysayers you 104 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: can't even use that in court. 105 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: Let me tell y'all something. 106 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: A polygraph is an extraordinary tool for law enforcement and 107 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: the only people that I know that refuse to take 108 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: one normally you should look at even harder for that crime. 109 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about how that came 110 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: about and what the results were. 111 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 2: I'll tell you everything, Okay. It took all my strength 112 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: not to respond to online haters and people that were 113 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: genuinely asking out of concern for Sebastian. Why won't Seth 114 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: take the polygraph? That's Seth Roger, Sebastian's biological father. Why 115 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: won't he take it? Why is he slack? Or what's 116 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: he hiding? All that time I knew he had already 117 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: gone to take one polygraph? Cheryl, the man is on 118 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: his last leg. I've spoken with his help person. I 119 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: don't know what else to call him, Tony, who was 120 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: trying to help him help his buddy through all this, 121 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: He says, Seth can hardly sleep. They have he both 122 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: of them have terrible dreams about Sebastian. It's just a 123 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: never ending ordeal for Seth Rogers. He hasn't found Sebastian, 124 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: you know. He wonders, is he dead or is he alive? 125 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: Where is he is? Somebody hurting him? Is somebody molesting him? Just? 126 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: Where is my boy? I can't even imagine. It just 127 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,679 Speaker 2: makes me my stomach hurt to think about my son 128 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: or my daughter being gone. Anyway, so Seth went and 129 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: took the polly with the guy. It was incredible. The polygrapher, 130 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: who was the head of the FBI polygraphy unit, that's 131 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: who we found to do it outstanding. He was incredible. 132 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: That said. When Seth went the first time, he had 133 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: been up the whole night. He goes out looks at 134 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: night too, couldn't sleep, and all of this stress has 135 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: exacerbated gost some nerve in his back. So he took 136 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: prescribed let's say, gab of Penson and something else. Anyway, 137 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 2: when he got to the polygrapher, he could hardily, you know, 138 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: sit up straight. He was so out of it and 139 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 2: so tired. And the polygrapher said, look, man, we're going 140 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 2: to have to redo this again. Did that dissuade him? 141 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: No? 142 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: He left. He came back a week or so later, 143 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: and then he took the polygraph when he was bright 144 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: eyed and bushy tailed, and passed it with flying colors. 145 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 2: But I had to wait. I had to wait, and 146 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: I didn't want to put it out there. Well, he 147 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: couldn't take it the first time because I thought people 148 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: would attack him for that. But that is what has happened, 149 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: and that is what a former FBI polygrapher told me. 150 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: He told me in depth everything that happened, the entire 151 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: conversation about how he passed all the critical questions and 152 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: more so, Seth Rogers has passed a polygraph and as 153 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: many people why online, you can't introduce it into evidence. Actually, 154 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: you can introduce it into evidence in a criminal trial 155 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: in many jurisdictions if and only if both parties agree 156 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 2: or stipulate upfront prior to the polygraph being taken, that 157 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 2: it will come into evidence. That is true. In many, 158 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 2: not all jurisdictions, it rarely happens because you don't know 159 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: what's going to happen and you don't want to bring 160 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 2: in a result that would hurt your case. Because it's true, 161 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: polygraphs are not one hundred percent accurate. In civil cases, 162 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: they can be brought in much more easily, so they're 163 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: right the wrong. But like you, I think it's a 164 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: very good sussing out tool ferreting the truth. Somebody says, hell, no, 165 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: I'm not going to take a polygraph. I'm like, oh, let. 166 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 3: Me, let me just bring the tracker dogs with the 167 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: warrant around your house, Because if somebody is like open, 168 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 3: like Mark classwaws and his daughter Polia went missing, He's like, Polly, 169 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: me take my fingerprints, take my DNA. 170 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: Search my house, search my home, search my car, do 171 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: whatever you want. Just find whoever took Polly. He would 172 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: do anything, and right then he didn't want to wait. 173 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: That tells me a lot. 174 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: When you've got somebody asked questions like have you ever 175 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: wanted to hurt anybody? Did you hurt your son? Did 176 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: you have anything to do with his disappearance? Those are 177 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: solid questions. And if he doesn't vary in his response 178 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: and there's not any alerts that hey, this person is 179 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: being deceptive, that helps law enforcement. Let's stop dealing with 180 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: Mark Class and move on. That's important. 181 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: And again I don't know any more about him than 182 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: I've learned through this case. But I asked him several 183 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: pointed questions about his ex, Katie Browdfoot and her new husband, 184 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: and he would not comment. He said, I want to 185 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: work with them to try to find Sebastian. I don't 186 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: want any bad blood. I want to work with them 187 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 2: so he will not say a bad word about them. 188 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: And I thoughts, you know, normally in this kind of situation, 189 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: X couples go crazy on each other. 190 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: Sure you know, and you're talking about since February twenty six, 191 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: that is a lifetime. I mean you talked about when 192 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: you lost John David for just a few minutes at 193 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: a store. Most parents have had that situation where you 194 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: turn and you don't see him for a split second. 195 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: Just what happens in seconds? 196 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 2: Oh my stars, stop everything? Are you selling a T shirt? 197 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: Zone seven? Absolutely? I like that shirt? Wait a minute, 198 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: that was good? Is seven? That black teacher? Oh? My goodness? 199 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: And you know how to work at girl? Okay, go ahead. 200 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: I think I saw you at the Matt gala wearing 201 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: his own seven T shirt. 202 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: That would be brilliant. Drape me and nothing of its 203 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: own seven wrapped around. I'm going that sounds great. 204 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: You know again for. 205 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: Anybody listening that has you know, just wasn't able to 206 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: see your child for just a few seconds. You know 207 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: how you feel. So to your point, I mean, I'm 208 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: sure Seth is not even sane at times. He hasn't 209 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: been able to sleep, he hasn't been able to work, 210 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: he hasn't been able to be in his own home. 211 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: There's no rest because he doesn't know where his child is. 212 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: So I'm sure because you know you and I dealt 213 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: with Beth Holloway, and Beth told us sometimes you wake 214 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: up at four in the morning and everybody else is asleep, 215 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: and you're just so freaked and your skin is just 216 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: not even I can't remember exactly how she described it, 217 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: does Nancy, but remember how she set Her skin just 218 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,599 Speaker 1: didn't even feel right on her body. 219 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: Her whole physically mentally, and her psyche, her soul. 220 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,479 Speaker 1: So you know, we have the umbrel or, we have searchers, 221 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: we have law enforcement going to different places. Still nothing, 222 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: no even small piece of evidence that shows where this 223 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: child went to and where he is at. 224 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: Not a clue. And I find that very very probative. 225 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: In other words, it proves something that the tracker dogs 226 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: were not picking up his scent. 227 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: You know, he's gone without medication. The mama says, he 228 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: doesn't have shoes with him, he would have no way 229 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: to get food and shelter. Nobody at school is seen him, 230 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: nobody has you know, helped him out in any way. 231 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: You're talking about a child that has never taken care 232 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: of hisself, even for an afternoon while his parents weren't there. 233 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: He's never ever taken care of hisself. I find it 234 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: hard to believe that he would be able to leave 235 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: that house in the darken night on his own and 236 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: leave no trail, leave no evidence. He's not called her 237 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: on a ring camera, he hasn't showed up asking somebody 238 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: for food. He hasn't showed up saying I'm cold. I 239 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: just it's really disconcerting. But I mean, I believe something 240 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: bad happened to that child. 241 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: Seth is still holding out hope that he's alive, as 242 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: am I. But I just feel that we would have 243 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: some clue, like a neighbor, if somebody was holding him, 244 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: Like there's some guy online claiming he's got Sebastian, and 245 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: Sebastian doesn't want to go home and he wants money, 246 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: that's the telltale sign right there. I don't believe that 247 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: for a moment, long story short, whatever has happened to him, 248 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: it's nothing good. Either someone is holding him and keeping 249 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 2: him from his home, or he's dead. Those are the 250 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: only two choices. 251 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: There is no doubt when you say that somebody is 252 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: now asking for money, that that's a sign not to 253 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: fool with that person. Because like when we were little, 254 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: we would ask our grandmother, Hey, you know, can we 255 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: help you in the garden for a quarter? And she 256 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: would jokingly say, why can't you be good for nothing 257 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: like your daddy? 258 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 3: That's so good. 259 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: That I think I said that first. 260 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: I think you did too. I remember it. 261 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: Now. Okay, what are we going to talk about? Are 262 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: we going to talk about the preacher's wife? Yes? Please, Okay, 263 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 2: I know what they said. The official cause of death 264 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 2: is suicide. I'm just having a hard time taking that in. 265 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: I really am. Now there's a controversy people. We're talking 266 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: about Micah Miller, this gorgeous young preacher's wife. She met 267 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: him when she was fifteen. I think he was twenty three. 268 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: He was her youth pastor. You know, I don't know 269 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: what that was all about, but they end up get 270 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: married and she took on his five children stepchildren. I 271 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: know or have been told and I'm trying to confirm it. 272 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: Actually it's in the police reports that he's got a girlfriend. 273 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: His church just booted him because apparently Micah committed suicide. 274 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: Online she posted many many hosts about being in an 275 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: abusive relationship. She had a stalker, which many believed to 276 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 2: be the pastor who put a tracking device on her car, 277 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: slit her tires when the police were speaking to her, 278 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: he drove by. Now he's not named in the police 279 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: report that we can see. I think it's been redacted, 280 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: but by all accounts, that was the preacher. So it's 281 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: really hard for me to believe just out of the 282 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: blue she commits suicide. But she did call my one 283 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: one just prior to her death. Now, authorities replacing his 284 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: vehicle for an hour away. It's been caught on license grapper, 285 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 2: but his windows are tinted. I'd want absolute proof that 286 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: he was in that vehicle. 287 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: I've seen lots of statements that she supposedly made to 288 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: friends and all those and they're disconcerting to say the least. 289 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: But part of the issue for me is the way 290 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: he spoke about her from the pulpit. It was so negative. 291 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: And the last sermon that he posted, it's a video 292 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: of him talking and he's talking about phone calls that 293 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: are good news. Phone calls if somebody calls you and 294 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: said you've won the lottery, If somebody calls and says, hey, 295 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: we were wrong, it's not cancer. Then he goes on 296 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: to say I got a phone call last night that 297 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: my wife is. 298 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: Dead, and then told everybody that he didn't want to 299 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: talk about it and to basically leave in silence. 300 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: But to talk about phone calls that are good news 301 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: and then to go into one that should have been devastating, 302 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: it was just bizarre. But you know, again, he talked 303 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: about her mental illness, He talked about, you know, lots 304 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: of things that he kind of framed it like, well, 305 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, women do this and men don't do that, 306 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: and you know she's good about you know, looking toward 307 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: the negative almost like everything he ever said about her 308 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: that I have seen in those videos is negative. 309 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: I mean, and there was no emotion at all. I mean, 310 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 2: I can't even imagine anything happening to David and being 311 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: able to joke around and then just kind of like 312 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 2: work it into my conversation. 313 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: Now. 314 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,959 Speaker 2: Of course, a good defense attorney will tell you quote, 315 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: I've heard this so many times, there's no playbook for grief. Well, 316 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: maybe he was grieving with his girlfriend. I don't know. 317 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 2: I doubt it. I don't like it. I don't like it. 318 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: I don't like it, and I, along with family and friends, 319 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 2: I want proof. I want proof. I want to see 320 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: ballistics to find out the angle, the pathway of the bullet, 321 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: the trajectory path. I want to hear it all. I 322 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: want to find out if they did a GSR gunshut 323 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: residue on her hand? Was there any I want to 324 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: know at all. I want to find out where the 325 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 2: gun was found, everything, every detail, where her car doors 326 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: locked with the windows down? Where, why she was a 327 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: surveillance video? Was there survellance video going in and out? 328 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: Could anyone possibly have been with her? I want to 329 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: know at all, And I'm not going to rest till 330 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 2: I do. 331 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: What I was going to say was, let's say she 332 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: did do it by her own hand? 333 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: Was she pushed? Okay? I brought that up on the air, 334 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: and I brought up the case of Michelle Carter. Do 335 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: you remember her and Conrad Roy. Conrad Roy was very 336 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 2: sensitive and I mean that in a good way. Young 337 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 2: man teen, and she pushed him him into committing suicide. 338 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: She was not there when he killed himself, but she 339 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: was on the phone with him, egging him on, basically sinking, 340 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 2: for Pete's sake, just go ahead and do it. Quit 341 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: talking about it. Yes, she said that, Gerald, You'll have 342 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: to discussed that many many times since that case she 343 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 2: was convicted. There have been other similar prosecutions. So I'm 344 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 2: just waiting to see if local prosecutors have the backbone 345 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 2: to check into that avenue. 346 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: Well, I think the house of cards is going to fall. 347 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: I think there's more video. I think there's more people 348 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: that have information. One of the statements I read said 349 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: that she told her friend, if I'm found with a 350 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: bullet in my head, he did it. Well, that's what happened, Pardi, dammit. 351 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: So again, they've got to look at every single thing, 352 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: and I think you're going to find out, possibly from 353 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: the children's mother, some behavior. I think there's things that 354 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: he has not hidden, just like the girlfriend. 355 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 2: You know. I'm just wondering because, as I've told many, 356 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: a jury, a jury can consider actions before, during, and 357 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: after an offense. What is he doing today? What did 358 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 2: you do the morning after? I mean, I want to 359 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 2: know everything, and that goes. While we're at it again, 360 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 2: let me reiterate the official cause of death for Mica Miller, 361 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: the preacher's wife, is suicide. I still want more proof. Okay, 362 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's not true. I want to find 363 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: out why she committed suicide. Did anyone encourage her to 364 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 2: commit suicide? Was anyone there when she committed suicide? I 365 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: want to know all that too. Speaking of actions after 366 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: a crime, can we just talk about Barry Morphew for 367 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: one moment, who is not a person of interest or 368 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 2: suspect in the murder of his wife, Susanne. Yes, he 369 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 2: was arrested before those charges were dropped at the request 370 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: of the state. Since that time, her body has been found. 371 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 2: But I kind of reread that affidated. It's one hundred 372 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: and thirty pages long. But I'm pretty sure Cheryl McCollum 373 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: that after shu'se in goes missing, he then throws away 374 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: at five trash jumps. Five one behind a Macdolls, one 375 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: behind the Walmart, one at a bus station, five dumpsites 376 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: he throws away. He thinks he threw away all of 377 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: his animal tranquilizers that day. Wow, isn't timing everything? 378 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: Timing is everything? Isn't that what you're gonna do on 379 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: Mother's Day is gather up a whole bunch of trash 380 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: and drive to five different places. Because we all know 381 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: men are a to b people. I don't know anybody 382 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: that owned their own is gonna say Hey, I'm gonna 383 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: go to five dumpsters instead of just one. 384 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: Exactly why the people turn into neat nicks when somebody 385 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: goes missing. Isn't that crazy? 386 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: And he's also an animal expert all of a sudden 387 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: because he knew a mountain lion guiter and not a person. 388 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 2: You know. Another thing is I brought on an expert 389 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 2: yesterday on the MSM Mary Street Media program. His name 390 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: is doctor Gray Stafford. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant zoologist. That bam BAM. 391 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: It's an abbreviation for three really long medications. It's what 392 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: they used to bring down Rhinoceros elephense, you know. And 393 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 2: that's what was And he had BAM, he had bam. 394 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: She was shot up with BAM. He threw away the 395 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: BAM and there was a dark gun cap in the dryer. Okay, 396 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: but still not a suspect, not m named a person 397 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 2: of interest. Okay, That's where I'm leaving that, not named 398 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: a suspect, not named a person of interest. There you go, 399 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 2: there you go. 400 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: Well, we are going to pray for your little fella, 401 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 1: and we are gonna continue to celebrate Sheila, and we 402 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: are going to continue to stay on all three of 403 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: these cases. 404 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: You know, Cheryl McCollum, I think I'm being pulled off 405 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 2: the stage. I know when I'm not wanted. 406 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: Bye beautiful, Bye, honey God. 407 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 2: At least get a discount on that T shirt and 408 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: I planned to wear it at the met gallon next year. 409 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: Oh, I can get you a T shirt. You just 410 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: stand by. 411 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: Can you just see us going up those steps? I mean, yes, 412 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 2: that's our real life. 413 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 3: That's what I should hate about it in the Daily Mail, 414 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 3: you know what. 415 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: Speaking of that Nancy, I had somebody ask me one time, 416 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: do you and Nancy Grace just ride around in limousines 417 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: drinking champagne? And I said, absolutely, many vans trying to 418 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: hook Hey, we've had some good times in that minivan. 419 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: Girl tell it, talent, Cheryl, many more good times to come. 420 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: Amen, buddy, I appreciate you. I'm Cheryl McCollum and this 421 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: is the Crime round Up with Zone saven 422 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 3: No