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Speaker 1: Nori with you. Jacob Cooper back with US speaker on grief, wisdom, consciousness.
Speaker 1: Jacob offers meditation, mindfulness seminars to help others find purpose
Speaker 1: overcoming fears of life after death. As well. He's a
Speaker 1: clinical social worker, raiki master and certified hypnotherapist specializing in
Speaker 1: past life regressions. He was last on with US back
Speaker 1: in November of twenty twenty one, and his latest book
Speaker 1: is called The Wisdom of Jacob's Ladder. Jacob, Welcome back, George.
Speaker 1: Great to be on your program again. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for having me back. My pleasure. We had a
Speaker 1: great response when you were on the year plus to go,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad you're back. How have things been, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, things one day at a time, you know,
Speaker 1: that's the way I take it. But everything's going great,
Speaker 1: you know as well. By you tell us about the
Speaker 1: Wisdom of Jacob's Ladder. It's a great tie. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you well. The title became, you know, came obviously with
Speaker 1: my name of Jacob. But I had my near death
Speaker 1: experience and a ladder and a slide, and so kind
Speaker 1: of like I believe your name speaks to your potential.
Speaker 1: So you think of Jacob, Biblical Jacob, you know, when
Speaker 1: he ran away from his brother Esau and the Bible,
Speaker 1: and he had a dream of angels going up and
Speaker 1: down the ladder, and it's just very symbolic of my
Speaker 1: near death experience. But really, you know, this book teaches
Speaker 1: a lot of the lessons that I learned from my
Speaker 1: near death experience, but it also grounds it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's in my work as a licensed clinical social worker,
Speaker 1: mental health practitioner, you know, and so we you know,
Speaker 1: in this book, I really roll up my sleeves and
Speaker 1: go to areas that I found that a lot of
Speaker 1: people are, you know, looking for seeking answers in their
Speaker 1: lives and not afraid to go into those dark areas
Speaker 1: to find the light. Jacob, how old were you when
Speaker 1: you have this new experience? I was. I was chronologically
Speaker 1: just three years old. Oh my god, just a little guy,
Speaker 1: September of nineteen ninety three. And it's it's remarkable because
Speaker 1: you know, I think when you're into this stuff, we
Speaker 1: always say where an infinite spiritual being? Having these human experiences,
Speaker 1: but sometimes we get stuck in identity of our chronological
Speaker 1: ages or you know, who we are. And I think
Speaker 1: in a way, there's there's a you beyond the you,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, and there's an eternal soul experiencing
Speaker 1: yourself in this you know, time as a personality. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just quite fascinating. How did you pull on
Speaker 1: of it? Every day? I'm I'm still I'm still learning
Speaker 1: each each and every day. You know, I think if
Speaker 1: you ask new death experience researchers, how long does it
Speaker 1: take the process your experience, they'll tell you two to
Speaker 1: three decades. But I think it's a lifetime where you
Speaker 1: could be able to process it. So it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that it changed what exactly happened, but you're able to
Speaker 1: look at it, you know, through a different set of
Speaker 1: lens and more importantly, find more meaning. And you know,
Speaker 1: Life After Breath was my first book which I view
Speaker 1: as my karma, you know, that was my story of
Speaker 1: my new death experience. But the Wisdom of Jacob's Ladder
Speaker 1: is more of my dharma, which is the meaning and
Speaker 1: the purpose behind what happened to me. And so it's
Speaker 1: kind of congruent with my work as a therapist as
Speaker 1: my clients, where what happened to you is not your
Speaker 1: fault necessarily, but what you come out of it becomes
Speaker 1: the work at hand. And so that's been my work
Speaker 1: ever since, the experience, to make sense of it, to
Speaker 1: find meaning from it, and to ground it in this experience.
Speaker 1: And I hope I could do justice by readers who
Speaker 1: pick up my book. The biblical version of Jacob's ladder,
Speaker 1: of course, had to do with a ladder to heaven,
Speaker 1: so that and do you well, I was on a
Speaker 1: ladder into a slide, so I didn't exactly see a
Speaker 1: ladder to a heaven, but I was in a playground
Speaker 1: and I had a ladder into a slide. But similar
Speaker 1: to Jacob, it came with a lot of distress. You know,
Speaker 1: he was fleeing his brother Esa for his life, and he,
Speaker 1: you know, was you know, fearing death. And that happened
Speaker 1: to me in a sense when I had my near
Speaker 1: death experience and I was suffocated as a result of
Speaker 1: Protussis at Whipping Cough, you know, and I thought this
Speaker 1: was it, you know, and it was end was suffering,
Speaker 1: you know, and then I surrendered and let go of
Speaker 1: this pain, and I was able to remember that all
Speaker 1: things come back to home, and you know, pain is temporary,
Speaker 1: but the love on the other side, in our connection
Speaker 1: to it, is eternal. But I was able to see
Speaker 1: a lot of angels as well, spirit guides, much like
Speaker 1: Jacob from the Bible. So that's the similarities, I guess.
Speaker 1: So there is a lot in a name. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's frivol Iss a random and at three years old, Jacob,
Speaker 1: you actually remember this absolutely. People ask me how to remember,
Speaker 1: and in my mind, I say, how could you forget?
Speaker 1: You know, Georgia as a therapist. The reason why I
Speaker 1: think I'm able to remember this is the gift of trauma.
Speaker 1: And if you're familiar with trauma, you know that could
Speaker 1: be a life altering event, you know, where either you
Speaker 1: could disassociate from it or just kind of push it away,
Speaker 1: or it could be so hardwired in your memory that
Speaker 1: you can't forget it. And something like a near death experience,
Speaker 1: which was incredibly traumatic, was gave reason and you know,
Speaker 1: an explanation for why I remember it. I often ask people,
Speaker 1: and I was in sixth grade at the time, but
Speaker 1: I'll say, you know, let's say September eleventh, what were
Speaker 1: you doing? And people will mostly remember, but then I'll
Speaker 1: say what are you doing nine to sixteen, nine seventeen,
Speaker 1: They they'll have no clue. So when something so pressing
Speaker 1: in life altering occurs to us, you know, I do
Speaker 1: believe we're able to recall. But it's a segue to
Speaker 1: some of the other conversation that will have if you
Speaker 1: know past life memories and how people are. Only for myself,
Speaker 1: I'm able to remember something from thirty years ago as
Speaker 1: a young infant, but people remember my clients are able
Speaker 1: to remember things from hundreds and thousands of years ago.
Speaker 1: So there's a subconscious memory in life and the ideas
Speaker 1: to make that conscious, to make that aware. Do you
Speaker 1: remember that, Jacob, them sending you back or did you
Speaker 1: do that on your own? It's a good question, George.
Speaker 1: You know, with near death experiences, there's two routes. Either
Speaker 1: you're told okay, you're meant to go back, or you're
Speaker 1: given you know, autonomy, You're given a choice, and obviously
Speaker 1: you didn't choose to stay otherwise they're going to be
Speaker 1: having this conversation, or maybe I'll be coming through a
Speaker 1: medium during coast to coast exactly. But I choose to stay.
Speaker 1: And the reason is is I you know, I was
Speaker 1: posed that question, and I, out of curiosity, said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if I do stay, what will come in
Speaker 1: this life? And I was given a life review of
Speaker 1: not only this lifetime, which is familiar with life reviews.
Speaker 1: You're able to see images of your lifetime through your lens,
Speaker 1: but also the other people's lens. But I was also
Speaker 1: able to see life reels through a couple of previous lifetimes,
Speaker 1: you know, which I talk about in Life After Breath.
Speaker 1: But I saw that I would be helping a lot
Speaker 1: of people and speaking about this, and I said, the
Speaker 1: other side is always there, but that window to bring
Speaker 1: the hereafter into this here now is even more beautiful
Speaker 1: than heaven itself. And I couldn't deny that opportunity. Jacob,
Speaker 1: what does the afterlife mean to you at this point?
Speaker 1: The afterlife, I would say, is not something far away.
Speaker 1: It's in the doorways of our inner being. It's the
Speaker 1: core of who we are. It's it's the innermost part
Speaker 1: of us that's connected to it. And so I think
Speaker 1: with a lot of people, they'll in our world, we're
Speaker 1: used to traveling millions of miles away and grinding it
Speaker 1: out to get to something good or to find something.
Speaker 1: But you know, the afterlife to me is in the
Speaker 1: backyard of your inner being and you're you're always connected
Speaker 1: to it. But it connects you your loved ones on
Speaker 1: the other side, your guides, and you know, connects you
Speaker 1: to hire awareness. And so I and my near death experience,
Speaker 1: I experienced the brain as as a filter between the
Speaker 1: two worlds, you know. And I say that because my
Speaker 1: brain once it was deprived of oxygen due to suffocation
Speaker 1: shut down, and that's when I had this connection with
Speaker 1: the afterlife. And so I think the brain is a
Speaker 1: great ally between the afterlife in this life, and when
Speaker 1: you're able to really open up your brain, you could
Speaker 1: have a clear filter between the two worlds. But to me,
Speaker 1: it's a high high and awareness in a sense the
Speaker 1: afterlife that you could connect to. Do you think everybody
Speaker 1: should have some experience with the afterlife? Somehow? I think
Speaker 1: we all do. And you know, I think we've all
Speaker 1: been born, we've all crossed over. It's all in us.
Speaker 1: It begs the question though, as to why maybe five
Speaker 1: to ten percent of the population have new death experiences.
Speaker 1: Why not everyone yeah, I still don't understand. But I
Speaker 1: think particularly young children have a lot more clarity of
Speaker 1: the other side because they're not as conditioned or programmed
Speaker 1: in this human experience. But certainly it could help. Now,
Speaker 1: what I'll say is if we were to be there,
Speaker 1: we would so I think we're meant to be here
Speaker 1: as human beings. But it doesn't hurt to try to
Speaker 1: open ourselves to connect to it because it could be
Speaker 1: a great GPS and guiding force in our life. But
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are aren't used to that.
Speaker 1: They're used to other people telling them truths or needing
Speaker 1: to look outside themselves for it to you know, religious
Speaker 1: you know organization, you know religious religious programming that we've
Speaker 1: been raised in, and so you know, connecting to this
Speaker 1: is a very empowering move where instead of looking and
Speaker 1: facing outside yourself, you turn within and you could connect
Speaker 1: to droplets of the afterlife and you know, which I
Speaker 1: think is just guiding forces within your life, you know,
Speaker 1: to propel you to greater heights. Does it make everybody
Speaker 1: who has been in the afterlife with a near death
Speaker 1: experience when they come back, even though you were three?
Speaker 1: But does it make you a better person? That would
Speaker 1: be the hope, right. You'd have to ask my family that,
Speaker 1: because the Grahamdas would say, if you think you're good,
Speaker 1: you just have to ask your family and they'll tell
Speaker 1: you the full story. But I try to walk to talk.
Speaker 1: What I'll say is, you know, everything that I do
Speaker 1: in my life, you know, is driven by that new
Speaker 1: death experience. And while I say that is I was lifeless.
Speaker 1: I had nothing going on when I was suffocated, and
Speaker 1: then in moments later, I was given back this, this
Speaker 1: breath of eternity, hence the title life after breath, And
Speaker 1: so my duty and job in this lifetime is really
Speaker 1: to give back all that I was given. And I
Speaker 1: think there's two different types of people, really, and sometimes
Speaker 1: we've askelated between the two, that there are givers and takers,
Speaker 1: And at least for me, the closest realization of God
Speaker 1: or higher consciousness would be to give in to you know,
Speaker 1: bring forward, you know, beauty to others in the world
Speaker 1: around you. Since you've been doing this, you're becoming a
Speaker 1: hypnotist therapist as well. Do you do past lives? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, It's it's funny because a lot of people
Speaker 1: who come to me think that Past life regression is
Speaker 1: a past life reading, which you know, different psychics or
Speaker 1: mediums could do. But I you know, past life regression
Speaker 1: is a form of hypnotherapy and you guide clients, you
Speaker 1: know too, you know, different incarnations through hypnosis, you know,
Speaker 1: in working with the subconscious mind. So it's really the
Speaker 1: client that is able to access their own lifetimes, previous lifetimes.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just a guide. But I was very
Speaker 1: driven to get into past life aggression for several reasons.
Speaker 1: But you know, one of them was in a way
Speaker 1: again to give back, you know, some of what I
Speaker 1: saw and its experience, and to allow people to do
Speaker 1: these aggressions. And they do past life aggressions successfully. You
Speaker 1: could find that same exhalation that we've lived many lives,
Speaker 1: we've died, many deaths, and we you know, continue on.
Speaker 1: So that's um, you know, something that many people have
Speaker 1: and it helps with grief, you know, and in their
Speaker 1: people's ability that see themselves more than just a body. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: give us a little synopsis of the Wisdom of Jacob's
Speaker 1: Ladder Jacob as the Wisdom of Jacob's Ladder is very
Speaker 1: deep book, you know, filled with tools for people to
Speaker 1: access this consciousness that I experienced in my near death
Speaker 1: experience that they can incorporate in their everyday lives. So
Speaker 1: it touches on areas of mental health, It touches on
Speaker 1: areas of past lives. It even touches areas with grief.
Speaker 1: So I use belief you know, within the afterlife as
Speaker 1: a tool for grief, but also address it on a
Speaker 1: level as a psychotherapist too, So it addresses both the
Speaker 1: human part and the spirit part. It doesn't bypass or
Speaker 1: ignore one or the other, but it's it's a way
Speaker 1: of bringing the hereafter for the here now, so that
Speaker 1: we don't have to wait until we die to get
Speaker 1: to heaven, but rather we can incorporate some of this
Speaker 1: stuff within our energyps of our everyday lives to live
Speaker 1: a more enriched life and to have a deeper gear
Speaker 1: that we live by. How many people have a near
Speaker 1: death experience and don't want to come back, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard. It's it's hard to know because I think,
Speaker 1: like I said, you know, you're either posed two questions,
Speaker 1: But it would be interesting to say people who have
Speaker 1: had neared its experiences and decided to come back. And
Speaker 1: I think obviously you decided to not come back, and
Speaker 1: obviously you would need, you know, an evidential medium to
Speaker 1: maybe pick on pick up on that loved one. But
Speaker 1: I would say it's it's probably more so that you're
Speaker 1: told that it's not your time than you're given autonomy,
Speaker 1: if you ask me, from what I've researched. But I
Speaker 1: have no data to back that up. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting as to why some people are told, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't need to come back. You're given a choice
Speaker 1: in some people you know are given are you know,
Speaker 1: are told they need to come back. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: You know. I could ask some clues, but I don't
Speaker 1: know factually why yours three years old. Did they send
Speaker 1: you back or did you come back on your own? No,
Speaker 1: I decided to come back on my own at three
Speaker 1: years old. Talk about decisions, right really, But but you know,
Speaker 1: life altering, yeah, I don't. I mean, I never saw
Speaker 1: myself as my chronological age, you know, especially in that
Speaker 1: nartive experience, people said, oh my god, you were so young.
Speaker 1: I believe two things could be true at the same time.
Speaker 1: Or yes, technically it was two years old, but also
Speaker 1: I experienced this through the depths of my inner being,
Speaker 1: which was an eternal, timeless soul, and so that's kind
Speaker 1: of like vacillated between the two. But ultimately once I
Speaker 1: really crossed overs, when I really connected to myself beyond
Speaker 1: my personality as three year old you know, Jake and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know, So it's it's an interesting phenomenon.
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