1 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker. Folks. 3 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: Whenever I have the ability to bring my friend Kurt 4 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Bardella on Democratic Strategists to the show, I am always 5 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: tickled because some of the liners, the one liners that 6 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Kurt drops are just too fucking good. And today is 7 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: no different. But as we close out summer, I've asked 8 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Kurt to kind of reflect on summer twenty twenty three 9 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: in politics. You know, for those of us that have 10 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: actually worked in politics, worked on Capitol Hill, worked for campaigns, 11 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: August is the month that people take off, right like 12 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: it's when government is shut down and and you know, 13 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: the politicos kind of leave and take vacation. That has 14 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 1: not fucking happened since Donald Trump came down that escalator. 15 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: But this particular summer was one for the fucking books 16 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: that I'm sure will be banned at some point in time. 17 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: And so I asked Kurt to really reflect on what 18 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: we have seen and kind of preview what we think 19 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: is going to be coming down the pike as we 20 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: close out this year. It is hard to believe, friends, 21 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: that we have but a handful of months until we're 22 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 1: done with twenty twenty three and then we fully full 23 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: force in November, will be a year out from the 24 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: presidential election. I mean, I don't think that there is 25 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: a genie, there is a fortune teller, there is a 26 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: psychic that is going to be able to read the 27 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: tea leaves, shake them out, magic ball and tell us 28 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: what to expect. I don't even know how to prepare mentally, 29 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: emotionally and physically for the onslaught that I think that 30 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: we are going to be under come twenty twenty four. 31 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: And so I hope that you enjoy this conversation with 32 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: my friend as we kind of work our way through 33 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: some are twenty twenty three. And so I asked this 34 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: for all of you folks, my patrons in the comment 35 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: section underneath this, to tell me what are some of 36 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: your highlights and low lights of summer twenty twenty three 37 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: in politics, And for all of my listeners, get at 38 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: me on social media and tell me what were some 39 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: of your highlights and low lights of summer twenty twenty three, 40 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: and make sure to use hashtag woke a f folks. 41 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: You know, whenever I get the opportunity to bring my 42 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: friend Kurpbardella, Democratic strategists, writer opinionator, country music officionado onto OKF. 43 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: I am always pleased, Kurt boil Boy. It has been 44 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: a hell of a summer. 45 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: What Thank my gosh. 46 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: You know, I could remember. I could just remember back 47 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: in our business, you know, auguess it was this slow month. 48 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: It was the month that everybody took off right on vacations. 49 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: They just shut it down. 50 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: It's so I just want to, you know, start off 51 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: as we're getting ready to move into the fall, to 52 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: get your reactions to this summer twenty twenty three in politics. 53 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: Uh, I feel like we say this every year, but 54 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: I think it's so true now. This has been unlike 55 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: any summer that we've ever seen. The combination of obviously 56 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: a a former president hope to become president again. There's 57 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: a mug shot of the guy. I mean, like, like, 58 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: let's all process that for a second here, folks, Like 59 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: there's a mug shot of the former president of the 60 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: United States who is the likely nominee for the Republican 61 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 2: nomination in twenty twenty four. We have never seen anything 62 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 2: like this in American history, and I think at times 63 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: it's like It gets so easy to get caught up 64 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 2: in the day to day flow of these insane events, 65 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: but like this is historic, Like we are living history, 66 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: and we are at a significant inflection point of what 67 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: this country is going to ultimately turn into. And you know, 68 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: they always say it's darkest before dawn, and you know, 69 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: I'm looking at things like, you know, people are being 70 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: murdered for having a Pride flag in front of their storefront. 71 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: People are getting murdered for not being white. You know, 72 00:04:52,800 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: people are cheering on domestic terrorists and domestic terrorism all 73 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: the while, you know, we are trying to you know, 74 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 2: and this is one of those things where Joe Biden's right, 75 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: It's like we are we are in. We are in 76 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: the fight for the battle for the soul of our country, 77 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: and twenty twenty was just you know, the second quarter 78 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: of that fight. Yep, you know, you know I always 79 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: said that, you know, January sixth was just the prelude. 80 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 2: That was just the opening act. What happens in twenty 81 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 2: twenty four and the reaction to what happens in twenty 82 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: twenty four is the is what's left of this game 83 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 2: that's going to be played out on the field of battle, 84 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 2: you know. 85 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: And it's funny that you say the quarters because I 86 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: often ask people these days. You know, I kind of 87 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: feel like the person at the beginning of the One 88 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: hundred Year War that said, oh, this will only be 89 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: a few months. You know, that's going to be that 90 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: century long battle. You were never going to see the 91 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: end in your lifetime. And so, you know, you say 92 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: the second quarter, and you know, and I'm just like, 93 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: but how many timeouts. 94 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: Do we look? Like? 95 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: Oh many? You know, like how many calls they're gonna 96 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: be made? We you know, we honestly have no idea, 97 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: but I you know, I often look to you to 98 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 1: get into you know, to go into that dark empty 99 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: space of the Republican mind and tell me, you say 100 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: the mug shot, like, let us let that sink in 101 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: which we have. Jesse Waters was on Fox talking about 102 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: how hard and tough Donald Trump looked. You had, uh, 103 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: Stephen Miller going on somebody show and saying that you 104 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: know that you're looking into the windows of the soul 105 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: and it's filled with righteousness and virtual I mean, this 106 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: is I'm not kidding, this is coming out of the 107 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: mouths of these people that are using I want people 108 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: to understand religious rhetoric right as their new calling card 109 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: to single to signal this christ show fascist civil war 110 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: that they want. So what do you make of the 111 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: fact that we say this mug shot is solemn and 112 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: shows us how far America has fallen? And there they 113 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: see the mug shot as this uh uh for their altar, 114 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: write a picture for their altar. 115 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they do for now because I think they've they've 116 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: It's so funny watching the the ebb and flow of 117 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: Fox on this particularly. You know, at one point Rupert Murdoch, 118 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: who you know, as some of your audience will know, 119 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: owns Fox News, was all about Ronda Santis, like that 120 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: was the chose he was going to be the chosen one, 121 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: the the the Trump replacement. Obviously that has not happened, 122 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: and so they're stuck once again with this Trump, with 123 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: this gollum of their own making, by the way, like 124 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: Trump is the monster that they helped create and gave 125 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: life to and gave oxygen to and made money off 126 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: of back from twenty sixteen other way than twenty twenty. Now, 127 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: they're just kind of stuck with this guy. And what 128 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: they don't tell you out loud, but they don't tell 129 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: their audience out loud. But we did learn through some 130 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: of the discovery that happened through the January sixth committees 131 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: activities and getting the text messages from Fox people, they 132 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: all have nothing but contempted to stay for Donald Trump. 133 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: They all keep hoping that the judicial system or the 134 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 2: voters will do their dirty work for them and dispense 135 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 2: and dispose and Donald Trumps. They don't ever have to 136 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: think or talk about him ever again. And there's this, 137 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 2: you know, there's such a cognit dissidence and what you 138 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: hear them say publicly, but what they truly believe about 139 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: him privately, And even people like Mitch McConnell, who who 140 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: was who was? You know, it was found out that 141 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: he hope that the House would impeach Donald Trump so 142 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: that again they would do the dirty work for him, 143 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: and that would be enough to get rid of Donald Trump. 144 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: Obviously that's never happened, that's never played out, But it 145 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: just tells you that I predict that in a not 146 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: too distant future, after Donald Trump loses again or sent 147 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: to jail or whatever, you will see a subtle shift 148 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: away where they will act like they that Donald Trump 149 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: never existed either and that they certainly had nothing to 150 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 2: do with it, and they'll have a well, thank god, 151 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: we can move on from him attitude that they'll portray publicly, 152 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: and they'll try to hope that all of us forget 153 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: the absurd defenses in propaganda that we're seeing come out 154 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: of their mouths today. 155 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: You know, I want to take a look at what 156 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: happened in Milwaukee, because as you say that that, you know, 157 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: if Donald Trump is found guilty of the ninety one 158 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: charges that he is facing, the Republican Party will distance 159 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: himselves and forget he ever existed. But what I saw 160 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: on this stage in Milwaukee were a bunch of people 161 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: who are ready willing and able to take the mantle 162 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: of trump Ism from Trump. We watched as the vek Ramaswami, 163 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: the conspiracy theorist, went on and on, I mean, spouting 164 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: some of the most ridiculous, foolish and dangerous lies in 165 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: the fashion of Donald Trump. Let's just have fun, guys, 166 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: because where America is is in a fun place. You have, 167 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: when asked to hold up their hands about whether or 168 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: not they would pardon Donald Trump if they became president, 169 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: you had, you know, all but two hands go up. 170 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: So when we say, when you say that the Republican Party, 171 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: if in God willing, that somehow Donald Trump is handled, 172 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: whether it be by the voters or by our judicial system, 173 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: that they'll move away. It doesn't look that way to 174 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: me currently. 175 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: Well, that's because they're pandering right now for Trump voters, 176 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: and because Trump is on the ballot still and that 177 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: he is the leading Republican you know, in the contest, 178 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 2: and they're petrified and terrified of doing anything to alienate 179 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: themselves from that voting block because they I think they're 180 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: all hoping for the miracle that again the justice system 181 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: gets to Trump before the voters have a chance to 182 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: so that way it will be you know, a contest 183 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: that they will have a chance at winning. All of 184 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 2: them are positioning themselves to be the guy that is 185 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: left standing if Donald Trump goes down, you know, bea 186 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: his legal battles. And it's like the lack of courage 187 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: that we see from most of these people up on stage. 188 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: Their their refusal to acknowledgeblicly what they all think privately 189 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: and what they all say privately amongst themselves about Donald Trump. 190 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: You know, it is it's just embarrassing at this party 191 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: we're serious about wanting to get rid of Donald Trump. 192 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 2: They could orchestrate that in some meaningful, unified way, but 193 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 2: they just lack the courage to do that. And I 194 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: think it speaks to the fundamental problem that Republicans just have, 195 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: I think at this point, which is they are so 196 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 2: in the pocket now of the extreme base of their 197 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: party that they don't have a way out, which only 198 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: results in the losing elections that they would normally be 199 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 2: at least competitive in. And I think that, you know, 200 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: people always ask the question, We've been asking this question 201 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 2: since twenty sixteen. What is it going to take for 202 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: them to wake up? For this party to wake up. 203 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 2: It's going to take electoral shll ackings, like like we 204 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: keep having these split decisions. We won the presidential in 205 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, but we but we lost seats in the House. 206 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 2: We gained a seat Senate in twenty twenty two, but 207 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 2: we lost the majority in the House. We see ballot 208 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: referendums and red states like go actually go our way. 209 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: But we see, you know, certain seats in what used 210 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: to be reliably blue areas, like in the outskirts of 211 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: New York go red. It's like we keep having these 212 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 2: split decisions, and at some point we need to have 213 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 2: an election where where the anti Trump forces win on 214 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: all cards. And that's what it will take for I 215 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: think Republicans to snap out of this in some way, 216 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: shape or form. Is just losing. You know, they always 217 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: say success as a thousand fathers, failure as an orphan. 218 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: That failure, that orphan will be Donald Trump. But it's 219 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 2: got to happen before they're going to ever get there. 220 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 2: You know. 221 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: Staying on the national level for a minute, we have 222 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: a number of politicians Republicans that have alluded to or 223 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: just outright said a war. Tucker Carlson asked Donald Trump 224 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: that question on his little show on Twitter and said, 225 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: you know, do you think that we're you know, we're 226 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: we're headed towards the civil war. Donald Trump's response was, well, 227 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: there's just passion you know, on on you know, on 228 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: all sides. And you know, essentially he was he was 229 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: titillated by by the question and the fact that he 230 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: would be the reason, uh that would that would send 231 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: this country into a civil war. But there are members 232 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: of the Senate, there are members of the House that 233 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: have alluded to the same thing. What do you make 234 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: of this type of rhetoric not seemingly being headline news 235 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: on a regular basis, the. 236 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: Normalization of violence, and let's call it for what it is, 237 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: it's violence and terrorism into our political lexicon. Incredibly dangerous 238 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: and destabilizing. Actually, you know, the framework for that type 239 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: of violent political outburst has already been laid. The groundwork 240 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: has been laid and again and that was January sixth. 241 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: The fact that right now, one of the two major 242 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: political parties in America, you know that one of the 243 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: rallying prize is the people of January six for patriots people. 244 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: Should you know, people who participated in that should be pardoned. Man, 245 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: that's so dangerous. Like, I don't think if you were 246 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: to look at the story of America, if one hundred 247 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: years from now, historians looking back and they're werenning, like, 248 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: what the hell happened to America, They're gonna look back 249 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: at this period, I'm like, Wow, we know what happened. 250 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: There was an armed insurrection attempt to throw out a 251 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: free and fair election, and half the country seemed okay 252 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: with that, or at the very least half the country 253 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: was apathetic to it one way or the other. And 254 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: didn't hear the alarm bells ringing, didn't see the sirens 255 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: go off, and just kind of carried on as business 256 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: as usual all the while the perpetrators, the architects behind it, 257 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: went scott free and never were legally held account before it. 258 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: Like it's the story of our country and the outcome 259 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: of our country right now could be being decided over 260 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: the next few years here. And when you look at 261 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: the people who are agitating for civil war, who are 262 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: threatening civil war if they don't get their way, like 263 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: it's all happening and broad like you know, I think 264 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: it's the Washington Post that has that democracy dies in 265 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: darkness slogan, like, yeah, no, this is happened in broad daylight, folks. 266 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: This isn't this isn't being hidden. This is in in 267 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: some dark corner, some back room, like this is being 268 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: openly broadcast every single day by people. And the disturbing 269 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: thing is the leaders of this party aren't aren't calling 270 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: them out for it. They're accepting it because you know 271 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: why they need their vote. 272 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: You know what is what's funny and that funny haha, 273 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: But I wanna I want to bring this up. Joe Biggs, 274 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: the leader of the Proud Boys was sentenced to seventeen 275 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: years in prison, which is the longest sentence I think 276 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: one of the one of the longer sentences. I think 277 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: that the oathkeeper got eighteen the Justice Department wanted thirty 278 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: three years. The judge gave out the sentence settle. It 279 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: would be you know, serious discrepancies if I if I 280 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: went for this long sentence. Mind you, we throw black 281 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: people in jail for backpacks, and you know, and and 282 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: and and crack and all of these things that have 283 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: been done over decades, giving people fifty year sentences for 284 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: like not throwing out the trash. If you're if you're 285 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: a black person who you overthrow the government, not only 286 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: do you get only seventeen years, you also get a 287 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: I wish you well from the from the judge. Do 288 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: you think that any of the sentences that have come 289 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: out are a deterrent, right, or, like you said, what 290 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: we saw in January sixth and how long it has 291 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: taken for the architects of that insurrection to be held 292 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: accountable was just a prelude. 293 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's much of a deterrent because 294 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 2: it's taken so long and be you know, it's kind 295 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 2: of like, you know, you cut off one head another one, 296 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: you know, to grow in its place at this point. 297 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 2: And so, you know, these figures who are being sentenced 298 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: right now, you know, they've spent the last year, year 299 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 2: and a half in this legal battle, and so they 300 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 2: haven't even really been a part of the quote unquote 301 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: movement that inspired these terrorist acts. In fact, like there's 302 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: one of two ways that they're looked at by their people, 303 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 2: either as a martyr or as a trader who flipped. 304 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 2: You know, either way, the people and this is the thing, 305 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 2: none of these people, especially the political leadership involved, give 306 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: a crap about about any of these figures who are 307 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 2: going to jail. Donald Trump's not paying for their legal defense. 308 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: Donald Trump doesn't care if you go to jail. Donald 309 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: Trump will leave you hanging out to direct He doesn't 310 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: even know your name. And so if if if you 311 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 2: go to jail because you acted on his directives, uh, 312 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: Donald Trump will just think that you're a sucker and 313 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: a fool for for not having a better lawyer to 314 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: get you out of it. So I don't think any 315 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 2: of this stuff dissuades the people who are marshaling behind. 316 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 2: You know, the maga extremists right now. I don't even 317 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: think that it filters into their to their lexicon. You know, 318 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: if anything, they are fed a dose of you know, 319 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: Joe Biden's Deep State just went after one of our 320 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: own and put him in jail. We got to arm 321 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: up and make sure this doesn't happen to you because 322 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 2: you could be next. That's how they absorb the news 323 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 2: of these sentences, and that's why it's not a deterrent. 324 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 2: It turns into a call for more violence. 325 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: So, you know, going down and turning our attention for 326 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: the last couple of minutes that we have together to Georgia, 327 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: where Donald Trump and eighteen co defendants are going to 328 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: be facing their arraignment on September sixth. Several of them, 329 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: including Trump, have decided to waive their appearances. I want 330 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: to talk about Harrison Floyd, who is the head of 331 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: Blacks for Trump, that is the only co defendant that 332 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: currently remains incarcerated in fully fun in jail. He also, 333 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: in video that has gone around on social media, has 334 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: said to the judge that he can't afford a lawyer. 335 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: Right to your point about Donald Trump not caring about 336 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: these people, This man was a part of the scheme, 337 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: the Rico you know, the Rico scheme, uh, to defraud 338 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: the people of Georgia and to defraud the American people. 339 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 2: Do you what do you? 340 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: What do you make of of? How you think this 341 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: is all going to play out? As we are seeing 342 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: that Rudy Giuliani is claiming poverty, he's broke. Now, Uh, 343 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: you got Harrison Floyd can't afford anybody's attorney. These people 344 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: who have given up and may, in fact, in this 345 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: case of Harrison, given up their freedom in order to 346 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: carry the water for Donald Trump. How do you see 347 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: some of this shaking out with these you know, hardcore 348 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: I'm given everything I got Trumper's I think. 349 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 2: They're about to find out that their loyalty of Sorelian's 350 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 2: placed that Donald Trump doesn't even care about you. And 351 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: when it comes to blacks, tr Trump, he doesn't even 352 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: know you're the idea, you know, and because if he 353 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 2: actually did, if there was any loyalty, he would be 354 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: footing the bill for your legal defenses. But he's not, 355 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: and said he's out there raising money for himself for 356 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 2: his own legal defenses. We've already seen stories about how 357 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: much money Trump campaign apparatuses have to burn through for 358 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 2: all the legal defenses that are going on right now. Like, 359 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: that's anyone who cuts it check the Donald Trump at 360 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 2: this point and contributes. It's like you're just literally letting 361 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 2: money on fire. Yeah, which is like, hey, fine, if 362 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 2: here that's stupid, then so be it. I I'd rather 363 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 2: do that than anything else I suppose, But you know 364 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: it's it's I go back to, It's like, this is 365 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 2: a guy who doesn't care about anybody but himself. The 366 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: idea that you should be surprised that you end up 367 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: being hung out to dry. Have you not been paying 368 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: attention to what has happened throughout the entire life of 369 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: Donald Trump? And like, there's a reason why this guy 370 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: doesn't have long standing relationships with hardly anybody because he 371 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 2: always screws him over at some point. He will always 372 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: throw you overboard to try to save himself. And if 373 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: you're dumb enough to get in better with Donald, like, well, 374 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 2: don't be shocked when you're the one who ends up 375 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: knocked up later on and having to care for it 376 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: by yourself. That's what's gonna happen. 377 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: Oh, well done, well done, Kurt. You're gonna end on 378 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: that note, that was amazing. As always by friend, thank 379 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: you for making the time to join Woke AF. Always 380 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: appreciate you. 381 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon. 382 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends on Woke AF. 383 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: As always, power to the people and to all the 384 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: people power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.