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Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Jackie and Jen and we are two

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Speaker 1: Jersey Jays. I feel like we haven't recorded an episode

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Speaker 1: in a little while. We haven't, right, I know, our

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Speaker 1: last episode was on New Year's Day? And what which

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Speaker 1: feels like a millionaire Jens ago? What a year January

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Speaker 1: has been. I mean, it is there are there more

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Speaker 1: has happened in January of twenty five than I think

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Speaker 1: what happened in all of twenty four.

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Speaker 2: It's wild, it is.

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Speaker 3: It is. Tell me what's going on with you? Tell

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Speaker 3: me about your jam.

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Speaker 1: Personally, everything is fine, the kids are good. Aiden finally

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Speaker 1: got back. I know if you haven't followed the journey

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Speaker 1: of my injured son. He broke his leg a year ago.

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Speaker 2: This week. He broke his leg that night we were

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Speaker 2: at the Madonna concert.

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Speaker 1: Donna concert, right, and he's a very competitive basketball player.

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Speaker 1: Got back in in May, and then broke his shoulder

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Speaker 1: in July, and so he just went back in last

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Speaker 1: week to the games, and so it's like a whole

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Speaker 1: new world. I love watching play. So you always said

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Speaker 1: that you love really sports. Great, but I have a

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Speaker 1: an infection on my toe. So I got to go

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Speaker 1: to the post today and get it cut open seeing

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Speaker 1: your friend, your friend.

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Speaker 2: Jill, Jill. Oh nice, yeah, very nice. What's going on

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Speaker 2: with you?

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Speaker 3: I just got back from Florida. The weather was crappy there,

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Speaker 3: but it's certainly crappier here. So one of my very

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Speaker 3: dear friends turned fifty. Which it's hard to imagine that

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Speaker 3: I'm friends with a fifty year old, because that just

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Speaker 3: seems I'm friends with you, and you're forty seven.

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Speaker 2: You're not that far past fifty six.

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Speaker 3: Believe me, you will see fifty six.

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Speaker 2: Okay, forty seven.

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Speaker 3: Still right, Jack, forty eight, forty eight, forty eight, forty

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Speaker 3: eight to fifty six, all right, you'll tell me when

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Speaker 3: you turn fifty six. But it's it is. There's a

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Speaker 3: spread there, and there's and so my dear friend, we

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Speaker 3: all there are a bunch of us from here. She

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Speaker 3: used to living Upper Saddle River. We all went there.

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Speaker 3: She was in Bocan now and she made it a

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Speaker 3: ton of new friends, and a lot of them are younger,

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Speaker 3: and so were there, and we're all dolled up, and

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Speaker 3: the whole thing. I'm looking around, looking to the left,

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Speaker 3: looking at the right, there are these beautiful to me

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Speaker 3: young women, and I'm like almost like pointing my finger

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Speaker 3: at her. I'm like, what have you? What if you

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Speaker 3: got me into? Why am I here and not here

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Speaker 3: with these young gorgeous whatever. I was just being I

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Speaker 3: was just kidding around. But it's funny.

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Speaker 1: Did she moved to Boca because she was empty nesting?

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Speaker 2: And she just no, no, no.

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Speaker 3: Our kids were actually going into like their senior year

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Speaker 3: of high school. She moved to the Yes, and maybe

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Speaker 3: it was maybe it was Gane and Jesse's junior year right,

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Speaker 3: which you would think it was the best move she

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Speaker 3: ever made. There were a ton of reasons why she

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Speaker 3: did it. She's an unbelievable mother, and I have to

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Speaker 3: say it just it could not have worked out better

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Speaker 3: for them. The kids love it, loved it, They acclimated

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Speaker 3: it very easily, made a ton of friends, and she

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Speaker 3: absolutely loves being there.

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Speaker 2: So oh great, Yeah, that okay.

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Speaker 3: Cool.

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Speaker 1: You know, I thought of another topic that we should

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Speaker 1: tackle another time because I went on this little hair

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Speaker 1: journey and so my hair is getting this is a

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Speaker 1: middle aged woman. Shit, my hair is getting so thin.

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Speaker 1: You don't have that problem, but I do have any problem.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, your hair looks so like thick and we

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Speaker 1: have extensions. No, no, I never thought, but like I

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Speaker 1: the front though, you see, like I'm so thin. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: so I tried this medication my my colorist, who I've

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Speaker 1: been with for over twenty years. I love him so much,

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Speaker 1: and uh, he said to me, have you ever tried

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Speaker 1: low dose monoxidale? And I said, Uh, it's like rogaine,

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Speaker 1: of the few percent. I got so freaking bloated. Most

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Speaker 1: people do not. I got so bloated, like my rings

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Speaker 1: wouldn't go on my finger as we so feeling. After

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Speaker 1: Blake Lively hair, you know, and maybe not Blake Lively.

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Speaker 1: And so I went off and I was like, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I want to do something, but I have

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Speaker 1: no idea what I can do?

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Speaker 3: What about I started, what about neutralil?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I've been on neutrophall for seven years

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Speaker 1: and it's fabulous.

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Speaker 2: But I think at a certain.

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Speaker 1: Point it just turns into a vitamin and like it stops.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I could be wrong.

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Speaker 2: Don't sue me.

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Speaker 3: Attend you take biotine.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's part of neutrofall. So I but I wanted

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Speaker 1: something stronger. I don't want a vitamin. I don't want

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Speaker 1: something real. So I was thinking to myself, God, there's

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Speaker 1: so many women who have this problem and who don't

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Speaker 1: know what the hell they can do about it. So

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Speaker 1: I think we should do an episode on all there

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Speaker 1: are so many things you can do for thinning hair.

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Speaker 1: So I actually it's funny. I called this one place

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Speaker 1: and they were just so hungry to sell me. Like

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Speaker 1: everything they were selling, they convinced me over the phone

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Speaker 1: that I needed a hair transplant. I was without seeing you,

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Speaker 1: without seeing oh. I had to send them pictures of

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Speaker 1: Literally for for a few hours, was like, Okay, I'm

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Speaker 2: And then I was like, wait a second, really don't

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Speaker 2: need a hair transplant. I got news to you.

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Speaker 3: I have a friend who did do that, a woman,

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Speaker 3: a woman. They when they did, they put the needles

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Speaker 1: That's that's something different. That's different. That's what I ended

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Speaker 1: up doing. Oh, you did that very past. So I

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Speaker 1: went somewhere local. I went for a console. It's called PRP,

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Speaker 1: Yes and Yes, and they said I was the perfect

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Speaker 2: I know our guest is coming on in a few minutes,

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Speaker 1: So they they took three D images of my head

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Speaker 1: and they showed me that a healthy follicle.

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Speaker 2: So your follicles have to be like alive.

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Speaker 1: And active in order for PRP to work, because what

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Speaker 1: growing again. But they took three D images of my

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Speaker 1: head and they showed me that each follicle should have

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Speaker 1: two pieces of hair growing out of it, and mine

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Speaker 2: A lot of mine have won.

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Speaker 1: So I had my first round of PRP eight days ago,

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Speaker 1: and it was fantastic. You go for four months, one

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Speaker 3: I hurt. My friend said it was very painful.

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Speaker 4: It was not.

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Speaker 2: It was only five minutes. I have a super strong

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Speaker 1: And the next few days your head to like a

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Speaker 2: But I'm really really excited about it.

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Speaker 1: But we should do an episode about so many pe

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Speaker 1: people reached out to me because I put it on

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Speaker 3: All of this ties in beautifully to our topic and

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Speaker 3: in terms of talking to our guests today, because it's

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Speaker 3: all about the Asian process, and it's all about you know,

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Speaker 3: about it. You know, we started this podcast, as you

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Speaker 3: about what happens as you get older as a woman,

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Speaker 3: you know, reaching forty eight, reaching fifty six. Our guest

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Speaker 1: So we have Joan Vassos, who was the Golden Bachelorette,

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Speaker 1: and it's not.

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Speaker 2: So much today.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we'll ask some questions about the Bachelerette, of course,

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Speaker 1: but I'm really interested in the whole process of dating

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Speaker 1: in your sixties, of finding love as a widow when

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Speaker 1: you still you know, there's one thing about you know,

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Speaker 1: I imagine being a widow, it's different. It feels different

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I my mom has gone through divorce

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it is very different. I'm sure there are

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Speaker 3: Joan is going to be able to tell us a

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Speaker 3: little bit more about what that felt like. But we

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Speaker 3: have so many questions for her and she is so

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Speaker 3: a rock star. She is you know. Also, she's so

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Speaker 3: we're talking about hair thinning, like she this is a

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Speaker 2: You know, I was like staring at her hair.

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Speaker 1: I do this thing where I stare at people's hair,

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Speaker 1: like because I'm so entranced by like how it's so

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Speaker 1: different from person to person, even when off the topic,

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Speaker 1: like all the ship that's going on with uh Lively

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Speaker 1: and Justin Baldoni. Every time there's a headline, like I

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Speaker 1: read the headline and then I stare at her hair.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy, Like I can't get over her hair.

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Speaker 3: Dustin does.

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Speaker 2: So I am super excited.

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Speaker 1: You're right, she's beautiful, she's elegant, well spoken, and I

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Speaker 1: can't wait.

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Speaker 2: To talk to her.

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Speaker 3: So to me too.

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Speaker 2: Let's bring hi.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Hi, how's it going?

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Speaker 2: It's going? How is it going for you? Lady?

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Speaker 5: It's all the Jay's yes, Jersey j oh yeah, you're

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Speaker 2: You want to be our third a man. We're so

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Speaker 2: excited to have you here. Thank you for coming.

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Speaker 3: I certainly are, thank you for wanting to talk to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I will tell you I was my sister.

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Speaker 1: the two shows, so first you were part of a

440
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Speaker 1: group of twenty two women on the batch the Golden Bachelor,

441
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 1: and then you were the Golden Bachelorette with a group

442
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 1: of around the same number of men, do you feel

443
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 1: like aging men and aging women were treated differently like

444
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 1: the women that were in the first round the twenty

445
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 1: two women, do you feel like there was a sense

446
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 1: of well, the men are sexy, the women are just aging.

447
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 1: I know you weren't treated like that on the show,

448
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 1: but in social media, do you do you get what

449
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm asking?

450
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,719
Speaker 4: I definitely do. And now that you've mentioned it, like

451
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 4: I've had that feeling and you verbalized it really well,

452
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 4: because you do, like you know, they want to show

453
00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 4: the women as like they're active, and they are, you know,

454
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 4: they're vibrant still. But our season, so the twenty two

455
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 4: women skewed much older than the men from my Golden

456
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 4: Bacherette season. So the Golden Bachelor, he was seventy when

457
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 4: he you know, when our showed air, I was the

458
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 4: youngest person on there. I was sixty, and there were

459
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 4: other sixty year olds. But then there were also people

460
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 4: in well into their seventies, So the oldest person was

461
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 4: seventy five. Sundra was seventy five. So they skewed a

462
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 4: lot older and we acted a little older, or they

463
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 4: didn't expect us to be as you know, active or

464
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 4: as vibrant the men, I felt like they depicted as

465
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 4: like In fact, they didn't even talk about most of

466
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 4: the women's professions very much, or didn't talk about like

467
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 4: their careers or you know, even talk about how we

468
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 4: raised our families. Partially because it was a much shorter season.

469
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 4: There was only four weeks of the Golden Boucher and

470
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 4: my season was seven half weeks, so you got a

471
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 4: lot more opportunity to meet them men. But I did

472
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 4: feel like the men they wanted to show them as

473
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 4: being really fun, like as having sense of humor and

474
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 4: like walking around the mansion and.

475
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 3: By the way, and yeah, I mean I think happened.

476
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 3: I don't really think about it then, but that was

477
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 3: part of what was besides, of course, the fact that

478
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 3: it was you and that was, you know, amazing in

479
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 3: and of itself. But the men were so adorable and

480
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 3: they were so connected and you're right, even though I

481
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 3: felt like they were more connecting I'm the Bachelor and

482
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 3: the Golden Bachelor, but it definitely was different, and I

483
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 3: didn't like, it's funny just to hear you say that

484
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 3: out loud. I didn't really think it through, but that's interesting.

485
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 4: But they had more time to you know, introduce the

486
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 4: man and get you allow you to get to know

487
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 4: them more, which I think helped immensely. People like really

488
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 4: connected with the men and they really felt like their

489
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 4: stories because they got to know them a little better.

490
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 4: That wasn't true with the women. And the women we've

491
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 4: all talked about this. We have a big group chat.

492
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 4: There's all twenty two of us are on a group chat,

493
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 4: and once in a while, yeah, and everyone we have

494
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 4: an opportunity to see, you know, a chunk of each

495
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 4: other out of time and we have that conversation. We said,

496
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 4: you know that it was a little different because we

497
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 4: there was just so limited time. So there was only

498
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,239
Speaker 4: so much time. And also the episodes weren't only an

499
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 4: hour long. The first like four episodes of The Golden

500
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 4: Vetch Threat were an hour and a half or two.

501
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 2: Hours, and that was a half? Was it that on

502
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 2: a technicality?

503
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 3: Why did it happen like that?

504
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 4: I think it's because they weren't really sure that the

505
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 4: show was going to be successful, so they weren't investing

506
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 4: as much in it. Like they didn't travel as much.

507
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 4: They didn't they didn't do a lot. They it just

508
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 4: wasn't as long.

509
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, you left early from the first season or a

510
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: family emergency. Did you let the producers know that you

511
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: wanted to come back in some capacity or how did

512
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 1: they know that you were open to it.

513
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 4: So when I was leaving, it was proposed to me.

514
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 4: They said, you know a lot of times in these situations,

515
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 4: I guess this has happened before. You know, people try

516
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 4: to come back, or we liked for you to have

517
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 4: to come back, you to be able to come back.

518
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 4: So I said, I was open to it. I just

519
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 4: had to see how things kind of went and how

520
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 4: home and so I was in contact with them a

521
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 4: lot between the time that I left and the time

522
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 4: when it would have been like logical for me to come back,

523
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 4: which was I left on a Thursday. Maybe I could

524
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 4: get things better by that next Monday, which I wasn't

525
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 4: able to. But then there was another chunk of time.

526
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 4: So at that point, since it was such a quick season,

527
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 4: they were already starting to go on hometowns. So as

528
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 4: Gary was on hometowns, I was still in contact with

529
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 4: the producers to see if maybe I could come back

530
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 4: after that. At that point, he had connected with somebody.

531
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 4: Obviously it was with a tree seth, but he had

532
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 4: connected and maybe more, but he connected with somebody, and

533
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 4: we kind of collectively decided that it wouldn't be good

534
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 4: for me to come back at this point.

535
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 3: Did you have that feeling when you left, Like, I

536
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 3: don't know, I only know what I saw, but what

537
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: you were attached to Gary in that way? Did you

538
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: have that sort of heartbreaking feeling or because I look

539
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 3: at you now with chalk and I can't imagine if

540
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 3: it had been you and Gart you just seemed I

541
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: see it, you know, And I don't know if I

542
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 3: even saw it then it was But how how hard

543
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 3: was that to separate forget from the show, but from

544
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 3: him from.

545
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 4: Him personally, So it kind of was like a revelation moment.

546
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 4: Up until that point, it had been about at this point,

547
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 4: about two and a half years since John had passed away,

548
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 4: and I had never had any strong feelings about another man.

549
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 4: I'd gone on many dates, none of them great, and

550
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 4: he never had a feeling. I never had the idea that, Okay,

551
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 4: I actually see myself moving on. I was just kind

552
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 4: of going through the motions with those other dates. So

553
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 4: when I had that date with Geary that night, first

554
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 4: of all, like it felt very special because I won

555
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 4: this talent competition, which was crazy, and it was just

556
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 4: because I think I wrote this heartfelt poem and then

557
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 4: I got up there. I had the courageing up there

558
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 4: and actually say it, and I think he just you know,

559
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 4: took pity on me a little bit, but I felt

560
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 4: that very flattered that yeah, and I felt very flattered

561
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 4: that we picked me, So that kind of already made

562
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 4: the date like a little more special. And then we

563
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 4: really had great conversations because he was really good at that.

564
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 4: He understood that, you know, the time that he gets

565
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 4: to spend with each person is really important, and you

566
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 4: have to have kind of important conversations. You can't just

567
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 4: talk about you know, you know what your dog's name,

568
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 4: or we're like, you know, what do you like to

569
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 4: eat for dinner or whatever. You kind of move on,

570
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 4: like to family, you know, to your family, and to

571
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 4: like your dreams and what you look your future is

572
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 4: going to look like and things like that. So we

573
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 4: had these important conversations, and for the first time I

574
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:34,239
Speaker 4: saw myself like in as a couple, and even if

575
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 4: it wasn't with him, I started realizing that I was

576
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 4: going to be able to do that, like my heart

577
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 4: was going to be able to get there, because up

578
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 4: until then, my head was the only part that was there.

579
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 4: I knew I wanted it, but my heart hadn't followed yet.

580
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 4: And at that point my heart followed, and I don't

581
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 4: know if it was with him at the time. You know,

582
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 4: it was like it just felt good, And when I

583
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 4: said goodbye the next morning, it was painful. It really was.

584
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 4: I felt like we had had a connection. You know,

585
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 4: at this point, it's like a really good friendship. We

586
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 4: are a really good friend still, you say in much Yeah, yeah,

587
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 4: we stay in touch. Yeah.

588
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 3: I can't help but think that he wanted you, he

589
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: wanted to give it a try after him and Teresa

590
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 3: broke up. I'm guessing I'm not going to comment. If

591
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: I were him, I would have wanted to give it

592
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 3: a try. Yeah, okay, that's fine.

593
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: So I know a lot of people who are getting divorced.

594
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: I feel like, at my age, I'm almost fifty, a

595
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: lot of marriages are dropping like flies around me and

596
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: I and some of the people in the divorce mindset

597
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: like you're looking for a clean slate. It's definitely hard,

598
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 1: but like you're ready to try again and ready to

599
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: have love again. I imagine it might be a little bit

600
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: different when you lose someone that you're still in love with,

601
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: so dating after becoming a widow might feel different. Did

602
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: you have any kind of guilt or any kind of

603
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: was it hard to allow yourself to be in love again?

604
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like, great question, because I didn't realize I

605
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 4: had that guilt until I started having feelings for Chalk,

606
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 4: So I thought like every thing was good. My heart

607
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,239
Speaker 4: and my head had now finally figured out that they

608
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: wanted the same thing, and that I was moving forward

609
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 4: and I'm here now, I'm the Golden Bachelorette. I'm totally committed.

610
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: You know.

611
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 4: I went on the show like feeling like I was

612
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 4: really really ready. And first, you know, a couple of

613
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 4: weeks all good, you know, cruising along, and then I

614
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: started feeling this terrible guilt, and I was like how

615
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 4: And I felt like I was being not genuine to

616
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 4: the man. I thought that I was now not being

617
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 4: honest to them because suddenly I felt like I wasn't ready,

618
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 4: like I wasn't ready for a relationship because I realized

619
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 4: I was still and would always be in love with John,

620
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 4: and I didn't know how to reconcile that. So I

621
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 4: almost quit.

622
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: So I had a conversation, really, I know you were

623
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: you almost quit?

624
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: How far were you into it when you.

625
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 4: Felt like that week three?

626
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 3: And they would must have been freak. Do you tell

627
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: the producers they must have freaked out?

628
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 4: I did not.

629
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 5: I talked to the psychiatry and quit our four times

630
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 5: in the first season. Exactly, you go, girl, I talked

631
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 5: to the psychiatrist.

632
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 4: So I first of all, I was really tired. So

633
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,239
Speaker 4: we'd been filming for about three weeks, and I had

634
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 4: gone on a bunch of dates, and you know, it's

635
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 4: all really emotional, and you also are getting very tired.

636
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 4: You know, you're not sleeping in the regular place or

637
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 4: dating a lot of minute. It's a lot of work.

638
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 4: And I was just getting really really tired at this point,

639
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 4: like it all kind of hit one day, and so

640
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 4: I asked to speak to the psychiatrists. There's two of

641
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 4: them that's always available on set with the contestants, and

642
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 4: then they are also available to the you know, the

643
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 4: main So they came into my room and I was like,

644
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 4: I don't know if I can keep doing this. I

645
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 4: still a lot of John, like like how do you

646
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 4: do this? And they go, well, why do you think

647
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 4: you have to not be in love with John? And

648
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 4: I go, because, how do you, like, these are men,

649
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 4: they expect me to fall in love with them. You

650
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 4: know one of them does. And they said, well you

651
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 4: can still do that. They said, picture it like this,

652
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 4: picture that John is a balloon in this hand and

653
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 4: this other person is a balloon in this hand, and

654
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 4: you don't have to let go of this one to

655
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 4: hold onto this one, that there was room for both

656
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 4: of them in your heart. And it was like the

657
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 4: free pass I needed, Like that's all I needed to

658
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 4: say to me. I was like, oh, so I don't

659
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 4: have to be another job because I don't think I

660
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 4: can ever not be in love with them. And they said, no,

661
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 4: you're fine, that that doesn't have to happen, and it

662
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 4: tried to would be weird if it did.

663
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: I love that you have discussions with John when he

664
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 3: was sick.

665
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I didn't want to because I was in denial,

666
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 4: the total denial that he was going to die. In fact,

667
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 4: I thought he was the one person that survives pancreatic

668
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 4: cancer and I was just being naive and I just

669
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 4: wasn't watching what was happening around me. He had gone

670
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 4: from being about two hundred and twenty pounds to one

671
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty pounds and he was just wasting away

672
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 4: before my eyes. And he knew he was dying, but

673
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 4: I just wasn't going to accept it. I was going

674
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: to talk about it. I was taking him to appointments

675
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: and we were tied to empty Anderson to get him

676
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 4: cared down, you know, in Texas, and we were doing

677
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 4: everything we do to help him, you know, survive this.

678
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 4: But one day he was really sick and he was

679
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 4: laying on the sofa and he was sleeping on and

680
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 4: off all day and he called me over and he's like,

681
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: sit down next to me, pats right next to him,

682
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 4: and he takes my hand and he said, you were

683
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 4: the best wife ever and we had a great life together.

684
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 4: And I don't want you to be alone. I want

685
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 4: you to find somebody when I'm gone. And I said,

686
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 4: I am not having this conversation with you. I said,

687
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 4: you are not going anywhere. And I was bad that

688
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: he was saying that to me, and I was like,

689
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 4: I was just ignoring it. But I and I'd have

690
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 4: forgot about that conversation for a little while, and it

691
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 4: came back to me one day when I was so

692
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 4: really really in the morning, you know, stage, and I

693
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 4: remember him saying that, and I was like, what a

694
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 4: gift that was that I didn't know he was given

695
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 4: me such a gift, because I'm not sure if I

696
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 4: could have done this whole thing if he hadn't given

697
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 4: me that gift. But he did, and I really really

698
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 4: really like leaned on that a lot as I was

699
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 4: moving through this whole thing, you know, as I was

700
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 4: on the show and falling in love.

701
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: So that's really yeah, I'm like crying.

702
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: Think if it was you, if it was God forbid you.

703
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: I mean, you think about the person that you think

704
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: about them alone, and it's the hard you don't want

705
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: them alone.

706
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: I want that No, especially from the marriage after you

707
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: and Chock fell in love and got engaged.

708
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: How did you hide that relationship? Did they give you

709
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: like pentometers for what you were allowed to do?

710
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, they pretty much say you cannot tell anybody, you know,

711
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 4: because we want and we didn't want to tell anybody.

712
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 4: We want, like we want everybody to watch the show obviously,

713
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 4: so it leaks out, you know, that kind of spoils

714
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 4: the ending. So we certainly were really careful about who

715
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 4: we told to. Obviously, our families knew, and I had

716
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 4: a couple of close friends. But after that, you don't

717
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 4: tell anybody but Batcher's really really good about making sure

718
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 4: you have time to you know, spend time together because

719
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 4: you know you still you've been you know, living this

720
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 4: kind of you know, life in a bubble when you're filming,

721
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 4: and so it's kind of a false reality. So and

722
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: even though you know until you actually get announced in

723
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 4: at the finale, you're still living in a little bit

724
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 4: of fostering reality. They give you time away from cameras.

725
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: So we got they call them happy couple of visits,

726
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 4: and we got five of them, and so.

727
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: They my husband loves happy couple visits, so that's what

728
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: you call them.

729
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: Got it. So they would they close to La and

730
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 4: they put you up in like an airbnb for four

731
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: or five days at a time. You can't lead. You

732
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 4: go into disguise. You find a different airports and they

733
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 4: just put you up in a house and you and

734
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 4: you get to know each other. So they bring you groceries,

735
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 4: you can rent movies. I had no idea. It's so fun.

736
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 4: It's so vacation like every other week. It's so fun.

737
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 4: And we had like a pool, we had a tennis

738
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 4: ware one of the places we played tennis, We did puzzles,

739
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 4: we had It was.

740
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: Weird to transition from having so much chaos to just

741
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: you or I would have been nervous, just like, now,

742
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 3: what is this going to look like? Right?

743
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 4: Is it going to trans the first happy couple visit

744
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 4: I was super nervous about. So we hadn't So the

745
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 4: first one didn't happen until September, and we had gotten

746
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 4: engaged in early August and we had a whole month

747
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 4: of just kind of talking on the phone. So that

748
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 4: first day he got to did I get to the house. Oh,

749
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 4: I got to the house first, and he came about

750
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 4: a couple hours later, and I was so nervous.

751
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, and you say it, yeah,

752
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: I was so gary it was.

753
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 4: So I had a bottle of wine open already, and

754
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 4: he pulls up stampole in the driveway in his car.

755
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 4: And all these places have gates, so you like, when

756
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 4: you get out, nobody can see who's getting out whatever,

757
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 4: So they closed the gate and then he gets out

758
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 4: of the car and I meet him at the door

759
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 4: and I have a glass of wine for him. I

760
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 4: have my glass of wine, and it's like early evening

761
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: and we immediately were back to where we were before.

762
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 4: So that mum, it was like nothing. It was like

763
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 4: we were right back and we had a great dinner

764
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 4: and we talked. We left and we started watching our

765
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 4: Netflix series and like everything was perfect.

766
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: And it must have felt so good to be able

767
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: to finally tell the world and get back out there

768
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: and be.

769
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: Open about and everything.

770
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 4: It was so good.

771
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: I know that on our show social media can sometimes

772
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: be really really tough on.

773
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: You, so always be I want to know how it's.

774
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: Been, not only for you in terms of being an

775
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: aging woman, Like we both get a lot of comments

776
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: about our looks as aging women, but I want to

777
00:35:54,520 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: know about that part, but also protecting Chalk from you know,

778
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: you chose him out of the twenty two I assume

779
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: meant and and you know you really can't protect him,

780
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: this person that you love now from what comes what

781
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: comes at him because you chose him. And I know

782
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: that's really hard. I've dealt with that on our show

783
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: as well. So how has the social media been for you?

784
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: How do you handle it?

785
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 4: So social media? The day I got announced was at

786
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 4: these things called the Upfronts in New York City, and

787
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 4: sitting next to me was Lisa vander Pump and she says,

788
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 4: I have a piece of advice for you. She said,

789
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 4: do not listen to social media. She said, it will

790
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 4: destroy you. She said. It took me years to take

791
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 4: my own advice. She use and I'm so much happier now.

792
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: Do you know how she was? By the way, did

793
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: you watch Housewives? Yeah?

794
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 4: Exactly. Oh my gosh, yeah, I love listening. I love

795
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 4: she's still cool. I want to be here when I

796
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 4: grow Yeah, so that was like great advice excefre I

797
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 4: didn't really listen to it because I was like, oh, yeah, yeah,

798
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 4: you're like really popular, you have a lot of people

799
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 4: that know you. I'm not going to be that person.

800
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 4: But sure enough, like the minute I came off the show,

801
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 4: as the show aired, So when you're first the kind

802
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 4: of cast, like a lot of people don't have opinions

803
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 4: about it. I didn't get a lot of a lot

804
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 4: of responses to things, but eventually once the show started airing,

805
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 4: that's when all the mean people kind of came out.

806
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 4: So if I had one hundred comments on a post

807
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,959
Speaker 4: or something, ninety five would be really nice. Five would

808
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 4: be awful. And the awful ones are so much meaner

809
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 4: than the nice ones that those.

810
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: Are, and they're the ones you're a member to remember.

811
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 4: That word for a word, and like why you know,

812
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 4: and saying things like you treated the men so poorly

813
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 4: and you didn't give them a chance to talk, and

814
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 4: you know how ugly I am and why do you

815
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 4: use much chore? And you can't move your lip and

816
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 4: all this like mean stuff. So and you your hair

817
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 4: etenngines are terrible and like they attack you like the

818
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 4: way you look, they tech you, the way you act,

819
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 4: they look. They never really brought my family into it,

820
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 4: So if they brought my family into it, I would

821
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: have been like mama bear and I would have like,

822
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 4: I don't know what I would have done. But they

823
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 4: were really nice. Chalk didn't get attacked until about mid season,

824
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 4: when he started looking a bit like a villain, although

825
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 4: nobody really on my season looked like a villain, but

826
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 4: he was becoming, you know, like we had a kind

827
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 4: of a thing by mid season, and we were spending

828
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 4: a lot more time with each other, and I think

829
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 4: some of the men were like, hey, give us a chance.

830
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: So he kind of looked like maybe he was being

831
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 4: a little possessive. That's a lot of that has to

832
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: do with editing also, as you probably know, so he

833
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: kind of started getting an attack then, and I felt

834
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 4: bad about that because although he signed up to the

835
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 4: show just like I did, so unlike your families, because

836
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 4: you were in the Housewives, they didn't sign up for it,

837
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 4: and so you probably felt a little more protective. I

838
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 4: knew that he knew what he was getting into and

839
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 4: that we all signed up for this, and I knew

840
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 4: in the end, as a season progresses, he is going

841
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 4: to be you end up looking like a really good guy,

842
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 4: like the guy he really is. But there were just

843
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 4: some you know, some editing and that happened that made

844
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 4: him look not you know, maybe gave him a bad

845
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: edit at points best person.

846
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I mean to interrupt. You good to being

847
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 3: younger and having to handle that like I think.

848
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just like just like you.

849
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 3: I at the beginning and then I only did two

850
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: seasons of Jersey Housewives, but the second season I certainly

851
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: got a lot more the negative comments than I did

852
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 3: the first season. But again, I started I was fifty three.

853
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: I'm fifty six now, and I think that if I

854
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 3: had been younger, like most women are when they start

855
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: out on the Housewives, I think I would have had

856
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: a much harder time. You'd never want to hear nasty

857
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 3: things about yourself, but at a certain age, and I

858
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 3: think that's why I love the Golden bats and the

859
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 3: Golden baths er at so much. You are. One great

860
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: thing about aging is you know who you are, and

861
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 3: you've been through stuff. You've been through real stuff, and

862
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: in my mind, you have even more to offer the

863
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: world in terms of being on television. I'm a little

864
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: you know, I'm a little biased in this area, but

865
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 3: I think that people have have more almost sometimes to offer.

866
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: But you know, dealing with it when you're twenty something

867
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: or even early thirties and it's I can't even imagine.

868
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: You have to have a very strong sense of self

869
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 3: to be able to handle all of that.

870
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 4: Totally agree with you.

871
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: Did any of the social comments make you feel like, well,

872
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: maybe I should do this, or maybe I should do

873
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: this to fix you know what they were talking about.

874
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: I think you're stunning, imperfect. But you know, I got

875
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: off my show and I was like, oh God, I

876
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: need a nose job and a facelift and hair translants

877
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 1: and you know, yeah.

878
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 4: All those things. I think all of those I like,

879
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 4: I stand in my my mirror and I go like

880
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 4: this and the gool I could look a lot better.

881
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm the same. And like you said,

882
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 4: for a young person, like how destroying that would be,

883
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 4: Like I like, I can accept it, like my aging Okay,

884
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 4: so this is what I'm going to like, I'm going to,

885
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 4: you know, fight this as hard as I can, but eventually,

886
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 4: you know it's going to end. When you're young and

887
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 4: you're feeling like that, you don't you know, I can

888
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 4: do this gracefully. I feel like when you're young, you don't.

889
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: You don't give yourself that kind of break. You're like,

890
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 4: oh my god, this looks like I got to do

891
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 4: something a lot of yours. I got a live bit

892
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 4: the space or whatever with this body I can't imagine,

893
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 4: Which is why I feel like social media is so

894
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 4: damaging to think about a thirteen or fourteen year old.

895
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 4: I know, and they're not on TV. They're just going

896
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 4: to school every day and they're getting an attacked. So like

897
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 4: when we put ourselves on TV, we know what we're

898
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 4: signing up for, and we can choose to look at

899
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 4: the stuff or not choose look at the stuff, and

900
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 4: you know, we could just go off the show. These

901
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 4: kids are just out there living. They're just going to

902
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 4: school every day and they're just trying to make friends

903
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 4: and they're trying to figure out who they are in

904
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 4: the world. And they are not like prepared for it

905
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 4: like we are, and they don't they're signing up for this.

906
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 4: It's just being the rest of them.

907
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: Did you watch The Bachelor and The Bachelor at the

908
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: you did? You did?

909
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 4: Yeah? And I do see that that mean girl behavior

910
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 4: is like so disappointing. And I feel like so I

911
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 4: feel like many years ago when The Bachelor started, that

912
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 4: wasn't part of it. People were nice to each other,

913
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 4: and it gradually over the years became more of a problem.

914
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 4: And it came to the problem with the first with

915
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 4: the girls and then with the guys, and that happened

916
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 4: over several seasons, and I think the housewife set, yeah,

917
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 4: kind of housewife And I feel like it needs a reset,

918
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: and I don't know how to make that happen. I

919
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 4: was hoping that maybe Golden give it a little reset,

920
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 4: people would start looking at it so it can look

921
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 4: like this, but it never hasn't gotten one. It just

922
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 4: it almost escalates every year or every scene.

923
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: That's why everyone loved Golden Bachelor and bats Rex. It

924
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 3: was not like that. I mean there were some little

925
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 3: petty funny things on the Bachelor and then the Bachelorette.

926
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: I just saw these men. It was, it was, and

927
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: it was it was more fun to watch, at least

928
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: that's how I feel about it than than watching you know,

929
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: the nastiness.

930
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: So now you're engaged, you're in love with chop and

931
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: then comes in like.

932
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: Public scrutiny of your relationship. Has that affected you, guys?

933
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I look at like this. I look at the

934
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 4: kind of publications every day to see like what's out.

935
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 4: And it's funny it changes from day to day. Like

936
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 4: I'll get screen rant and like one day it'll say, oh,

937
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 4: they're solid and they're good, they're gonna get married, and

938
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 4: the next day the stay they're on the road to

939
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 4: separating and they're not together anymore. And whatever. By the way,

940
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 4: I'm here in Maryland. Chuck is right in the other room.

941
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 4: He's working, and it is working. It's fine. But like

942
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 4: they just take little hints from stupid things, you know,

943
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 4: Like we were together on my birthday. Well we've seen

944
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 4: each other the week before, we've seen each other the

945
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 4: week after. Just he needed to work. I thinks I

946
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 4: needed to do. You know, I'm sixty two, Like my

947
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 4: birthday isn't like a year old birthdays. You know you're

948
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 4: gonna be together that day. So you know, they took

949
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 4: that and ran with it. So, you know, the public

950
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: scrutiny is ridiculous and it's it's not true. And we

951
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 4: do feel a little bit of an obligation to post

952
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 4: now together or whenever we're together, just to validate that

953
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 4: we are still together. But I know it's you know,

954
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 4: people invested in this journey and so to leave them

955
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 4: at the curb and say we're not going to you know,

956
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 4: show you how we're doing, is not the right thing

957
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 4: to do. But for you, for like the you know,

958
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 4: the publications, to assume that we're not good because we're

959
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 4: not posting every other day is ridiculous. We're just not

960
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 4: together every other day. We're together like every other week

961
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 4: or every three weeks, and we're but we're just because

962
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 4: we're not posting doesn't mean we're not together.

963
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: Love right, No, I love it.

964
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: I love that you guys seem very good at not

965
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: letting it affect your relationship and what you know is real.

966
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are you yourself doing now with all of this?

967
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 3: I mean everyone always asks Jackie and I and not

968
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: just us, but anybody that's been on reality TV, like,

969
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: now you have this platform, where do you see this

970
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 3: going from here? And I don't mean in terms of

971
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 3: your relationship, I mean just in terms of do you

972
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 3: you know, has this opened up doors for you? Do

973
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 3: you want it to open doors for you? Do you

974
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: want this to translate into other potentially career opportunities?

975
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 4: Yeah? I I never expected this, so I hadn't put

976
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 4: any thought into any of this until after the kind

977
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 4: of the season ended and I thought, well, you know there.

978
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 4: You know, we always asked to do a lot of interviews,

979
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: and people want to hear this story and it's indifferent

980
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 4: than a younger dating story. And that was kind of

981
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 4: part of my goal when I went on the show,

982
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 4: was to not like I knew it was about me

983
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 4: finding love, but I felt like there were all these

984
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 4: other people that were my age and maybe a little

985
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 4: younger and a little older, but in the same weird

986
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 4: boat of finding themselves being single at this you know,

987
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 4: kind of second half of their life, and I wanted

988
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 4: to represent that whole group, not it just be about me,

989
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 4: but it'd be about all these people and get people

990
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 4: hope and like show that it's possible and it could

991
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 4: be fun, it could be dignified, and you shouldn't feel

992
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 4: guilty and all those things, all those feelies that I

993
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 4: was feeling like, I just like put them right out

994
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 4: so I could, you know, actually maybe like be an

995
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 4: example to people that are thinking about doing it. So

996
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 4: I'd love to continue that, like, you know, whatever that

997
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 4: looks like, if it's a podcast or if it's TV,

998
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 4: or if it's a book, or if it's none of

999
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 4: those things, it is what it is. I got, honestly

1000
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 4: exactly what I wanted from this. I found my fiance.

1001
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 4: I found the second level of my life. So if

1002
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 4: nothing comes of it, I got exactly why I went

1003
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 4: on the show. But if something, you know, more comes

1004
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 4: of it, I you know, I would welcome the opportunity.

1005
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. Do you think you guys have

1006
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: got married? I know everyone asked that, but yeah, yeah, you.

1007
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 4: Know, when I went on the show, I was not

1008
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 4: actually looking necessary to get married. I don't feel like

1009
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 4: I don't have the biological clock and I having kids.

1010
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 4: You know, we're not e merging. We're just I didn't

1011
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 4: see a need to get married, and I actually didn't

1012
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 4: even see a need to get engaged. I said when

1013
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 4: I went on the show, I wanted to find a

1014
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 4: person that I wanted to explore being together with, but

1015
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 4: not necessarily needing to get engaged, and maybe that would

1016
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 4: have been too quick. I figured out as I was

1017
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 4: going through this that Chuck and I matched up in

1018
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 4: like pretty amazing ways, and I felt like I really

1019
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 4: knew him, So getting engaged didn't feel weird, even though

1020
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 4: it was really really quick, And getting married now doesn't

1021
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 4: feel weird either, Like I you know, I was married

1022
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 4: for thirty two years and I loved it, and so like,

1023
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 4: why would I not want to get married, Like, what's

1024
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 4: the point of not getting married?

1025
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: It's right show approached you about doing it on TV.

1026
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: They have not yet.

1027
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 4: No, No, I think that well. And I also think

1028
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 4: that we all kind of maybe learned a lesson from

1029
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 4: Gary and Teresa that maybe that was too quick and

1030
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 4: they probably don't want to make that mistake again. And

1031
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 4: I've certainly not in any rush to get married. I

1032
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 4: am actually really happy right now, just not have anything

1033
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 4: to do. You know, he and I were doing some

1034
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 4: press stop to go and Drew Barrymore on Thursday. We

1035
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 4: need to do things. Yeah, so we get to do

1036
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 4: really fun things. We're gonna go to a gulf turned

1037
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 4: mountain in La I mean out in Carmel. iHeart Radio

1038
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 4: is treating us, and so we get to do some

1039
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 4: really really fun things. Like planning a wedding right now

1040
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 4: seems like it would be like a lot of work.

1041
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 4: So I'm just gonna we're just have fun right now,

1042
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 4: and I will plan a wedding and we will get

1043
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 4: married and it will be for the world to see

1044
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 4: if they want to see it, or it'll just be

1045
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 4: our private little thing with their families. However it works out,

1046
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 4: we will get married. But I'm just sent sure man.

1047
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: And are you guys still getting a place together in

1048
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: New York?

1049
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 4: We were there last week and extra going tomorrow again.

1050
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 4: We keep looking. The inventory is pretty low and it'll

1051
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 4: apparently loosen up some in the spring. So okay, So.

1052
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: We're you're settled in.

1053
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: Me and Jen are only like fifteen minutes away. We're

1054
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: right over the border in Jersey, so we'll come in.

1055
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: We'll sit at a bar with you and have dinner. Yeah.

1056
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 4: I would love sec very friends.

1057
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: I have your friends. Thank you, Okay, friends, this is

1058
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: really really fun.

1059
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: Anything else you would want people to know about you

1060
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: or your experience or chalk.

1061
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 4: So I probably should like finish up with the family.

1062
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 4: Ended up actually loving this for me and actually for them,

1063
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 4: and they love Chalk. And my grandkids. My granddaughter who's

1064
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 4: only fourteen months old, says, where's Chalk, word Chalk wherever?

1065
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 4: She's like, We're so cute. I know. And last time

1066
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 4: Chalk was leaving my grandson and said, I don't want

1067
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 4: that guy to go. So everybody loves chalk. And the

1068
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 4: families are all good. His kids are amazing. They came

1069
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 4: and spent Thanksgiving here and I got to spend New

1070
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 4: Year's Eve with his son in Kansas, so all is good.

1071
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 4: All is good to families.

1072
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 3: I think that what I love about this the most

1073
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: is that you really did do what Jackie and I

1074
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: talk about all the time, which is, you know, bring

1075
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: not only visibility to women and men of a certain age,

1076
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 3: so right, so that feeling of being invisible, to really

1077
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 3: sort of challenge that, but also to show that after

1078
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: a certain age you're not done. You are and not

1079
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 3: just not done with life, You're not done with feeling

1080
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 3: sexy or wanting to connect or feel good about yourself,

1081
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 3: like you know, the idea that sort of. I think

1082
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 3: there's so much agism in our world and in our country,

1083
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 3: and I absolutely love that the folks at the Bachelor,

1084
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 3: you know, knew that this was important. I mean, I

1085
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: think there are lots of areas that they could even

1086
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 3: expand it into whatever. I won't go off on a tangent,

1087
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 3: but I think that it's such a great thing that

1088
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 3: I think women and men of all ages want to

1089
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 3: watch you. I want to watch these guys. I want

1090
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: to watch these gals. You know. It's like and see

1091
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 3: and still get that feeling of excitement watching two people

1092
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: of a certain age connect in that way. It's such

1093
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: a breakthrough and.

1094
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 4: It's not gross, so I know, so like people would

1095
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 4: be like.

1096
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: Oh, it's not gross, exactly.

1097
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 4: Gross, Like it doesn't gross if you kiss somebody. Yeah,

1098
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 4: and it's and it's not a key seeing like the

1099
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 4: guys in mina bathing suits, so you know, it doesn't

1100
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 4: have to be a gross thing like the stereotypes. It's

1101
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 4: time they're broken. We're not. We are way different.

1102
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: Amen's sister, and I feel like it's chipping. I feel

1103
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: like we're chipping away at that.

1104
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 4: You know, I agree with you, Yeah, but I'd.

1105
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 3: Like to see the next one be more inclusive in

1106
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 3: terms of sizes. That always kind of bugged me with

1107
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: The Bachelor, not necessarily the Golden Bachelor, but like I

1108
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 3: was always like, you know, there there were cookie cutter.

1109
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 3: It looked very cookie cutter to me in terms of

1110
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 3: body size.

1111
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 4: Always kind of because anyway said that to me. Someone

1112
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 4: said that to me, I'm golden. They said, why is

1113
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 4: everybody size two and wealthy? And I'm like, you have

1114
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 4: no I look back at her. I usually don't answer those,

1115
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 4: I just let go, and I would at this girl.

1116
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 4: I said, you have no idea what you're talking about.

1117
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 4: Look at the body types on on Golden Baucher. Not

1118
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 4: everybody was spice too. No, not everybody did bo talks.

1119
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 4: Not everybody was wealthy. I said, you have no idea

1120
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 4: the backgrounds of these women. I mean, we had teachers there,

1121
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 4: we had women who didn't work, we'd stayed at home moms,

1122
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 4: We had a fitness instructor, wealthy women. We were wealthy

1123
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 4: sized to women carried burken bags. It's not true.

1124
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. More I mean with the Bachelor, not the Golden

1125
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: one that just all these everybody is just has this

1126
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 3: rock and body and they're always in bikinis and that's fine,

1127
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 3: and I love it too, and I love watching and

1128
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: you know, it's let's say it's aspirational. But I would

1129
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 3: love to see I don't know, some more different bodily

1130
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 3: agreed than Yeah.

1131
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 4: I totally agree. They'd have one on GEN season, a

1132
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 4: guy on Gen season that everybody fell in love with.

1133
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 4: He was like maybe a little heavier, he was just

1134
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 4: he was absolutely adorable and he was real popular. But

1135
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 4: she let him go kind of early in the journey,

1136
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 4: which I felt bad because he was like a fan favorite.

1137
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 3: Right right, Yeah, just and more women like that. But anyway, sorry,

1138
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 3: I'm getting off on a little bit.

1139
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, we could talk all day about what they

1140
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 4: should do.

1141
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1142
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 2: Joan, thank you so much for coming. We love talking to.

1143
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: You and this was really inspirational and and wishing you

1144
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: and talk you know, just a lifetime of happiness together.

1145
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Thank you for having me, and

1146
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 4: I look forward to our dinner in New York City.

1147
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 3: The six of us, maybe just the three of us,

1148
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: I don't know. We'll decide we'll figure it out.

1149
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 4: The more than Marrier. Thank you so much talking to you.

1150
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: Be welcome, amazing. I'm in love with her. That was amazing.

1151
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: You know, I do feel like she is so beautiful,

1152
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 3: and I don't know, there's something that always I just

1153
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: I want them. I'm hoping that they'll do not even

1154
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: a Golden Bachelor brea because I think they are inclusive,

1155
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 3: but like a Bachelor where not everyone is so gorgeous.

1156
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you can still be gorgeous and look different,

1157
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: but I don't I hear what you're saying.

1158
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 3: But it wasn't like that for the Golden Bachelor or Bachelor.

1159
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 3: They had people of all different shapes and sizes, which

1160
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: I love right More like on the.

1161
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: Batch, which she is I love. I love what she said.

1162
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: About the balloon, like holding the balloon in each hand.

1163
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: That makes so much sense. And you know that I

1164
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: imagine it must be so hard. I lost two family

1165
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: members to pancreatic cancer. One was my mother's mother, and like,

1166
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: it's such a painful, with painful journey. I mean, it

1167
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: doesn't feel quick when you're going through it, but it's

1168
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: you just watch someone go so quickly, and I can't

1169
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: imagine how hard that would be. So I'm so I'm

1170
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: so happy that she feels like she has permission from

1171
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: from her husband, from the universe to try again and

1172
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: to be in love again, you know, cause you get

1173
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: one more complicated like when you have young kids, right,

1174
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: Like I picture God forbid, but well there are people

1175
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: there and they know they're dying, and then you have

1176
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: to picture your partner with someone else. And then you

1177
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: picture your kids with another parent who's getting very morbid

1178
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: very quickly. But it's all very very complicated.

1179
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 2: Life, and it's part of getting older.

1180
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 3: But you'd want your kids also to have another loving parent, right,

1181
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 3: You'd want.

1182
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 2: Your kids also want their parents to be happy.

1183
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 3: You know.

1184
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 1: It's not something you realize when you are a child.

1185
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: But now that I'm older, I mean my parents they're

1186
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: still married. They haven't lived together in twenty five years.

1187
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: But when I was a kid, they fought all the time,

1188
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: and as much as I never wanted them to separate,

1189
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: I wished that they were happier.

1190
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 2: You know, And they're happy now.

1191
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: They're actually I think happily more happily married now than

1192
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: they were when I was younger.

1193
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 3: Maybe that's the answer. He's just living separately exactly.

1194
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: You haven't get the hell out, Okay, right, so this

1195
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: was fabulous. I missed your face. I haven't seen you

1196
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: in a little bit. I know, plan something when we

1197
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: get off of here, but this was great. She was

1198
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: a perfect guest and I loved it me too. Thanks you, guys,

1199
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening.

1200
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, see you next time.

1201
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 3: Bye.