Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode canad spoilers for the first two episodes
Speaker 1: of Daredevil Born Again be warned.
Speaker 2: Hello and nam is Jason Tepsi.
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Speaker 3: And in today's episode, we've been waiting for it. We've
Speaker 3: been prepping for it.
Speaker 2: It's the first two episodes of Dad Evil Born Again,
Speaker 2: Episodes one and two, and oh my goodness, what episodes
Speaker 2: they are.
Speaker 3: What's Wilson Fisk been up to? What's Matt doing? How's
Speaker 3: Old folk Worth, How's Old Foggy folk Worth? How's Karen?
Speaker 3: Who's Hector Ryalla.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be on all these questions and more and
Speaker 2: generally freaking out.
Speaker 3: And before we get to that, thank you so much
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Speaker 1: But next episodes one and two of Daredevil Board Again. Okay,
Speaker 1: episode one of Daredevil Born Again. We open in Hell's kitchen.
Speaker 1: It's been some years since we last saw our friends,
Speaker 1: and they look great. They look out, they look.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They are leaving Nelson Murdock and Page Fogg. He's got
Speaker 1: a great new haircut.
Speaker 2: He looks finally good.
Speaker 1: Finally they're discussing all the changes.
Speaker 2: That have been going on in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: We discover that there's kind of a crisis of personnel
Speaker 1: power over at the NYPD. We're a large percentage of
Speaker 1: the forces set to retire soon and they are currently
Speaker 1: heading to a retirement party for Detective Cherry at a
Speaker 1: local bar where we meet some other casts cast some
Speaker 1: of the other caster characters from the show, Detective Kim etc.
Speaker 1: Matt's future law partner Kristen McDuffie changes generally in the air.
Speaker 1: We also learned that vigilantes are very hot at the moment,
Speaker 1: White Tiger is out in the streets, and of course
Speaker 1: Spider Man and others. We see that Matt and Karen
Speaker 1: have big chemistry at this particular party.
Speaker 2: But Matt's trying to be like, we should keep it friends.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but there's definitely but it's that it
Speaker 4: literally says to him, let's get out of here, and
Speaker 4: he's like, oh, that might break the friend code, like
Speaker 4: but that basically things are going great, and immediately the
Speaker 4: show kind of warms you into this like fun, celebratory
Speaker 4: space where it really does feel like changes on the
Speaker 4: edge for New York, and it seems like Nelson, Murdock
Speaker 4: and Page are a big part of it.
Speaker 1: Foggy is flirting with McDuffie when he gets a call,
Speaker 1: which of course Matt fucking listens to.
Speaker 3: And this, I swear to god, this man has never, ever, ever,
Speaker 3: ever allowed somebody to have privacy in that entire life.
Speaker 2: It was it worked out kind of but still.
Speaker 1: Because actually a little bit late this time, so it's
Speaker 1: tense and maybe that's what draws Matt's attention. Something has
Speaker 1: happened in Red Hook. This that Foggy is talking to Benny.
Speaker 1: People are outside of his apartment and they're they're coming
Speaker 1: for him, and Foggy is telling him, Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: wait there, I'm gonna come over. Foggy apparently kept this
Speaker 1: from Matt. He tells him to keep him from getting
Speaker 1: involved in basically becoming garrettevil all again. Matt whatever overhearing this, goes,
Speaker 1: puts on the suit and rushes to, you know, back
Speaker 1: to the bar. He hears the sound of like a rifle.
Speaker 1: He hears a rifle somewhere. It is Bullseye. Bullseye shoots
Speaker 1: Foggy outside of the bar and all hell breaks. He's
Speaker 1: shooting other people outside of the bar. He swings down,
Speaker 1: he throws smoke grenades into the bar. He's about to
Speaker 1: kill Karen, who's pulling out a gun. She's got a
Speaker 1: concealed carry permit apparently in New York City, which just
Speaker 1: getting hurt again by the way, And just as she
Speaker 1: is about to you know, engage with Bullseye, Matt swings
Speaker 1: in and we get a huge fight scene in the bar,
Speaker 1: people running back and forth, Cherry and Kim call the
Speaker 1: police and they're helping people evacuate. All this is happening while.
Speaker 2: Just lots of people and also.
Speaker 1: Killing, stabbing, like throwing knives into people's necks.
Speaker 2: I say, if you are.
Speaker 3: An injured Matt Murdoch lover, and I know you're out
Speaker 3: there girls. I know you're out there boys. I know
Speaker 3: that people love to see Matt Murdoch fighting his way
Speaker 3: through a dangerous injury and looking.
Speaker 2: Very sad about it. He is riddled with blades.
Speaker 1: Here, I think is pretty good. It doesn't all the
Speaker 1: way through, but yeah, it looks bad.
Speaker 3: It's a great comic book moment where you kind of
Speaker 3: realize again, like this man is just human. It's just
Speaker 3: his willpower and a great armor and of course his
Speaker 3: secret superheroic blindness non blindness.
Speaker 2: But I love this fight with Bullseye.
Speaker 3: It immediately just throws you straight back into the best
Speaker 3: of what Dad Evil was.
Speaker 2: And they do not.
Speaker 3: It is such a great opening to this episode. But
Speaker 3: Matt is really concerned with fighting Bullseye and not necessarily
Speaker 3: concerned with like his best friend being shot.
Speaker 1: Well, he's got to get give this guy's a psychopathic killer.
Speaker 1: He's got to get him off the streets, and the
Speaker 1: fight goes to the roof. They basically limp to the roof.
Speaker 1: Both guys are absolutely spent by the time they get
Speaker 1: up there.
Speaker 2: Love the Matt.
Speaker 1: Beats Bullseye and then is hanging him off the roof
Speaker 1: as he hears Foggy basically take his last breaths. Bullseye
Speaker 1: laughs about it, thinks it's hilarious. So Matt drops him
Speaker 1: off the roof onto his face. And yet the guy,
Speaker 1: and yet, much to Rosie's delight, he lives.
Speaker 2: My sweet assassin son. Never know. He's a terrible, terrible, terrible,
Speaker 2: terribly murderer. But I think that the season three representation
Speaker 2: of him, as you can, it's for the best talk
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: He's so engaging and interesting and intriguing and such a
Speaker 3: great foil for Matt that I felt like, Okay, if
Speaker 3: we lose Foggy and Ben in the first like five minutes,
Speaker 3: then are they just doing these people coming back? Was
Speaker 3: that just stunt casting? Is it actually going to play
Speaker 3: into the rest of the series. But he somehow survives
Speaker 3: being thrown onto his face, insane because it was like
Speaker 3: a really gnary like ten story fall. Yes, I am
Speaker 3: happy he survived for the story. Sadly, Foggy did not.
Speaker 1: Foggy Shockingly, Foggy is gone. He's gone the first eight
Speaker 1: minutes of the show. He got a nice trim too,
Speaker 1: he looked great track game. Matt drops the Daredevil mask
Speaker 1: and we go right and see the opening credits.
Speaker 3: Fast new opening credits, new marble kind of characters.
Speaker 2: They're made out of stone rather.
Speaker 3: Than the famous kind of blood wax motif from the
Speaker 3: first season. Gets see all your favor characters Wilson, etc.
Speaker 3: And then boom, time jump.
Speaker 1: One year later, New York City is in the midst
Speaker 1: of a mayoral election. There's been a recalling. Now it's
Speaker 1: just like an open run to the Mayor's office. Man
Speaker 1: is getting ready for work at his new firm, McDuffie
Speaker 1: and Murdoch. Meanwhile, Wilson Fisk the Kingpin, is eating a healthy,
Speaker 1: healthy portion breakfast in his mansion. Elsewhere at a meeting
Speaker 1: of the various mobs, presided over by Vanessa, who is
Speaker 1: wearing all Kingpin white. And you see that Vanessa is
Speaker 1: basically like the referee, kind of like the CEO of
Speaker 1: the Mafia families, making sure that everybody is getting paid,
Speaker 1: and that territory disputes are being adjudicated without violence. The room.
Speaker 1: By the way, there's the famous painting by Ilia Repin
Speaker 1: of Ivan the terrible cradling son who he had just murdered.
Speaker 2: Love that.
Speaker 3: I love that moment because it really also evokes just
Speaker 3: what we've seen with the Devil and Bullseye. There's a
Speaker 3: lot to it. I love them bringing the art side
Speaker 3: of Vanessa in. Also, I love that this rumor was true.
Speaker 3: I love that what she's that she really is running
Speaker 3: these gangs like and I also love like you said,
Speaker 3: she's running them like a CEO, and that is going
Speaker 3: to become very important as the series goes on.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: Wilson arrives, the gangsters are like, let's give them some privacy.
Speaker 1: Wilson is like, I'm very impressed with your management of
Speaker 1: the gangs. By the way, I love you still. I'm
Speaker 1: the biggest wife guy around. I will stick around, you know,
Speaker 1: as long as you want me around.
Speaker 2: But he also has been she hasn't really seen him
Speaker 2: for a while. It sounds she.
Speaker 3: Hasn't seen him in a couple of years and know
Speaker 3: what he was doing when he was out with Echo.
Speaker 2: She didn't know what he was doing when he was
Speaker 2: recovering from the last time face.
Speaker 1: The last time she really saw him was when he
Speaker 1: was in the hospital, and it was either four when
Speaker 1: Echo shot him in the face or when he got
Speaker 1: his ass thoroughly beat at the end of Hawkeye. One
Speaker 1: of those times, she was at his hospital bed and
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, I love you so much and
Speaker 1: I really believe that together, like we can change New
Speaker 1: York City for the better.
Speaker 2: We can make your grade again.
Speaker 1: And he's like, by the way, I'm.
Speaker 2: Running for mayor.
Speaker 1: I think I I think I can win. We do
Speaker 1: some research into I think.
Speaker 3: But he's also like he he also says very importantly
Speaker 3: because I think this is a huge choice that they made.
Speaker 3: That moves this away from the comics a little bit
Speaker 3: is he immediately says that you can keep.
Speaker 2: Doing the crosses, you do the crime, I'll do it proof.
Speaker 1: That's right. So it has to be a complete Chinese
Speaker 1: wall between the two, like no, no barrier. The barrier
Speaker 1: must be very.
Speaker 3: Strong between the two. And he said, hey, I've made
Speaker 3: it bulletproof. There's nothing they can catch me out on.
Speaker 3: But this is a huge deal because we were kind
Speaker 3: of wondering if it would be more of a mystery
Speaker 3: whether Wilson had really changed, or if they'd try and
Speaker 3: play into that idea that he had. I think it's
Speaker 3: really smart to do this because we know who Wilson
Speaker 3: Fisk is. And also I think it sets up a
Speaker 3: potential conflict for Wilson and Vanessa in the future if
Speaker 3: he does start to really believe his own rehetoric about,
Speaker 3: you know, making New York great again and Fisk can
Speaker 3: fix it.
Speaker 1: We see some video footage from the bb Report, which
Speaker 1: is a video news series kind of like a street
Speaker 1: level view of New Yorker's takes on various topics, and
Speaker 1: it's produced by Ben's daughter, excuse me, Ben's niece, bb Urick.
Speaker 1: And these are intercut all throughout the series. And are these,
Speaker 1: you know, really cool like chapter dividers where you kind
Speaker 1: of get the feel for what New York is feeling.
Speaker 1: And I think this is one of the smartest storytelling
Speaker 1: devices that they put into the show to really ground
Speaker 1: this in New York and make you feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: I understand, like what what the temperature of the city is,
Speaker 1: because this is a city. Listen Chaitari Invasion, Fanos invasion
Speaker 1: that was upstate, but still you know, the Hope destoring
Speaker 1: Harlem people getting snapped, the Infinity Hawkey running around, the
Speaker 1: Infinity War fight. Like shit is going like haywire in
Speaker 1: New York City like all the time. So it's no
Speaker 1: surprise that the citizens of the city are kind of like, hey,
Speaker 1: what's going on, Like we can stop this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Matt meets with his partner, ex assistant Da Kristin McDuffie
Speaker 1: at their law offices. He is getting ready to testify
Speaker 1: at Bullseye sentencing, and of course Christen is worried that
Speaker 1: like it's very traumatic and you can be okay, and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I'm fine, totally, he says. He goes
Speaker 1: to the sentencing and at the sentencing he basically says, listen,
Speaker 1: whatever you whatever you throw at dex it is not
Speaker 1: enough because of what he has taken from the world,
Speaker 1: my good friend, you know, my law partner of the
Speaker 1: wonderful human being known as Foggy. We see Karen enter
Speaker 1: the courtroom from the back. Oh, she's just standing and
Speaker 1: she looks fiss. She looks furious. It's clear that they
Speaker 1: haven't seen each other in a while. He asks Matt
Speaker 1: asks the court to throw the book at Decks, and
Speaker 1: Dex does indeed get multiple life sentences.
Speaker 2: I got to ask your question here, though, does he
Speaker 2: go to get out? Does he want? Does does New
Speaker 2: York have the death penalty? No? Okay, that I was
Speaker 2: interested in Matt's reaction because even.
Speaker 3: When Dex gets the life sentences, Matt looks like angry,
Speaker 3: and I wonder if that's because he just can't fulfill,
Speaker 3: like it's still not going to ff fill the whole
Speaker 3: that Foggy leaps.
Speaker 2: Because I was like, did he want him to get
Speaker 2: the death sentence? Doesn't seem very catholic of him? Does
Speaker 2: New York have it? There was something like a loss
Speaker 2: that he felt.
Speaker 1: Well, I will say that I think that I agree
Speaker 1: with you that there was a conflict there in Matt.
Speaker 1: But I think what's so wonderful about Daredevil, the show,
Speaker 1: and what they're really blowing out here, at least to
Speaker 1: me thus far, is the catholicness, which is that conflict.
Speaker 1: Matt wants to do the right thing, but he also
Speaker 1: wants to fucking kill this guy, and he wants to
Speaker 1: see him by, and he wants to fight crime, but
Speaker 1: he wants to do it legally, but he does it
Speaker 1: illegally every night, like, so he's got these incredible conflicts
Speaker 1: going on inside of him. Karen and Matt catch up
Speaker 1: and obviously very tough day. She's living in San Francisco
Speaker 1: now she has been avoiding Matt's calls.
Speaker 2: This is a great scene, really really good, and also.
Speaker 3: It tells us so much about how Foggy was the
Speaker 3: glue that helped them together because he died. Karen says, Matt,
Speaker 3: you just ignored me for like months, so I had
Speaker 3: to leave.
Speaker 2: There was nothing I could do.
Speaker 3: And it's just such a good scene without really any exposition.
Speaker 3: It's much more of an emotional scene that tells you
Speaker 3: where these characters are at.
Speaker 2: And it's very interesting because Matt.
Speaker 3: Has almost like it feels like he's left Karen behind
Speaker 3: and now he's this super really successful lawyer.
Speaker 2: His law office is a fancy as far really nice.
Speaker 3: He's with Krista McDuffie, who seems great like as a
Speaker 3: law partner, and you know, yeah he's not on the street,
Speaker 3: but at what costs because Karen is probably the only
Speaker 3: person who really understands him and what he lost with Foggy.
Speaker 1: So he is he basically tells Karen, listen, I'm not
Speaker 1: that guy anymore. I'm not Daredevil anymore. I'm not ever
Speaker 1: doing that again. And she leaves. He doesn't want her
Speaker 1: to leave, but she leaves, and she leaves him like
Speaker 1: a little broken off piece of his like devil horn mask.
Speaker 1: That night, as Matt is making dinner, he hears just
Speaker 1: on TVs and radios around the neighborhood that Fisk has
Speaker 1: announced as Kennedy's for mayor. At Fisk headquarters, the energy
Speaker 1: is amazing. The slogan is Fisk can fix it. We
Speaker 1: meet his staff, Buck Cashman aka Bullet from the comics,
Speaker 1: which is not how I expected to get this.
Speaker 2: I'm saying this whole thing is so funny because they
Speaker 2: could go the MCU route of these are just names
Speaker 2: that don't mean anything, but it's so fun to see
Speaker 2: who they chose and whatnot.
Speaker 1: They chose all comics people. Yeah, Sheila Rivera, who is
Speaker 1: his campaign manager, and an energetic and very dedicated young
Speaker 1: staffer named Dan Blake.
Speaker 3: Who is in the comics like uh an Astronaut slash Martian,
Speaker 3: which were obviously not getting here, but a big deal
Speaker 3: that I also visit Alien though, how cool would that be.
Speaker 2: I just want to say, like, maybe it could happen. Yeah, possible,
Speaker 2: It's possible.
Speaker 3: But also I want to say, I think this is
Speaker 3: very brave choice of them to not go the obvious route,
Speaker 3: which everyone thought my called Gandefini would be playing young
Speaker 3: Wilson Fisk, and I love that they instead went to
Speaker 3: make him the kind of social media kind of young
Speaker 3: right wing drinking an energy Jed liked it really hits.
Speaker 1: Rogan listening, Sean Ryan, that podcast listening kind of guy.
Speaker 3: And I think that they they couldn't have seen just
Speaker 3: how prescient that would feel right now in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: But it was like a gut punch.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay, this feels like a good
Speaker 3: character yesterday.
Speaker 2: It's a great.
Speaker 3: Character, and it's much more interesting than the kind of
Speaker 3: idea that people he was just going to play young
Speaker 3: Wilson Facer. So I'm very happy with this, very interested
Speaker 3: to see where that character goes.
Speaker 1: Matt gets set up with a prospective client by Kristin McDuffie,
Speaker 1: a woman by the name of Heather Glenn, and he
Speaker 1: meets her at a coffee shop. But then we realized
Speaker 1: that actually Kirstin had set Matt up and Heather up,
Speaker 1: like as a matchmaker, and the Heather is a therapist,
Speaker 1: not a potential client. And Kirsten definitely thinks the two
Speaker 1: would hit it off and that they should date, and
Speaker 1: both of them are like, I can't believe she did
Speaker 1: this. This is fucking terrible, how annoying, Like I'm sorry, I'll
Speaker 1: pick up your coffee, like I'm sorry to waste sure, and
Speaker 1: then like immediately after that they began hitting it off,
Speaker 1: like immediately after that.
Speaker 2: Because what's one truth about dad evil that they get
Speaker 2: right in this show, Jason, The ladies love Matt.
Speaker 1: The ladies absolutely fall for Matt Murdoch. And not only that,
Speaker 1: Matt he knows when that post quickens, like, oh baby,
Speaker 1: all the time, everything I got him, got him. He's
Speaker 1: like she said to me back at the office, Matt
Speaker 1: is like, what are you doing to Kirsten, Like, don't
Speaker 1: do that, but also, yeah, we hit it off.
Speaker 2: Then give me a number.
Speaker 1: He meets with a detective former Detective Cherry, who is
Speaker 1: now working as an investigator for McDuffie and Murdoch.
Speaker 2: Cherry says he had.
Speaker 1: Apparently been looking into the Fisk campaign. For Matt and
Speaker 1: probably for his own interest, and he says, like, no,
Speaker 1: it's completely clean on the up and up, like money
Speaker 1: is all accounted for. There's nothing there, Okay, so let
Speaker 1: it go. They both decide, Okay, we're gonna let it go,
Speaker 1: and like this is when fighting Wilson Fisk is not
Speaker 1: what we do anymore. And he's running. It's clean, it's clean.
Speaker 1: It's up to the it's up to the citizens of
Speaker 1: New York now to decide whether they want to vote
Speaker 1: for this guy. At night, Matt listens as the city
Speaker 1: watches Fisk in the mayoral debate. Fisk is running on
Speaker 1: in part of a platform that says, we're going to
Speaker 1: bring law back to law and order back to New
Speaker 1: York City, and that means no more vigilantes, vigil antes.
Speaker 1: We're going to crack down on the White Tigers and
Speaker 1: the daredevils on this spider man.
Speaker 2: I gotta say, that's what we were right. You can
Speaker 2: ring that we were right, Bell.
Speaker 3: Because that is exactly what you predicted when we were
Speaker 3: watching Dad.
Speaker 2: Obviously, when we were doing our recaps, and I think.
Speaker 3: That I was surprised by how much I could feel
Speaker 3: the impact. It was already having like, Yeah, when Wilson
Speaker 3: Fisk says it, you start to believe, Okay, this is
Speaker 3: a world where by the end of this season, vigilantes
Speaker 3: are not something that is normal, he says, or superheroes
Speaker 3: are not something that's normal.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He says something that I think is very I thought
Speaker 1: was really cutting and could be important for the MC
Speaker 1: going forward, which is, you know, we've we've tried registration.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing registration. I'm doing like solutions or whatever.
Speaker 1: It is, like, I'm not looking for I'm not looking
Speaker 1: to register vigilantes. He's basically looking to stop wipe them out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's he can do it because he's like,
Speaker 2: I had an incident with a vigilante. Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 2: I was shot assassin.
Speaker 1: Okayitch Like, come on, give me a fucking break, give
Speaker 1: me a bucket break. Matt basically goes to Fisk's headquarters
Speaker 1: and meets him outside, is like, let's go have a chat.
Speaker 1: They're like, okay, Kingpin. It's actually quite warm. Considering the
Speaker 1: history of the past interactions between the two. Kingpin mentions,
Speaker 1: you know, I tried to mentor someone but it didn't
Speaker 1: work out.
Speaker 2: It's Echo who shot him in the face. She shot
Speaker 2: in the face. Is that right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like, and Fisk's like, oh, you've been keeping tabs on me, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like I read the news.
Speaker 3: I also love He goes, he goes the younger generation,
Speaker 3: what are you gonna do with them?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What are you gonna do? Correct?
Speaker 1: Kingpin notes that they've both come up in the world.
Speaker 1: Matt is dressing really well. He's got this nice law office. Now.
Speaker 1: Matt is like, yeah, I'm done with my Daredevil days.
Speaker 1: Just to let you know, Fisk lets Matt know, like
Speaker 1: the stuff with Bullseye and Foggy, I had not thing
Speaker 1: to do with that. And then Matt issues a warning listen,
Speaker 1: good luck on your mayor one. Uh, good luck on
Speaker 1: basically becoming You're going to become mayor. It seems like,
Speaker 1: don't step out of line though, don't go back to
Speaker 1: your old stuff, or I'll be there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So great line, because he's like, I believe in the
Speaker 3: second chances because that's how I was raised.
Speaker 1: And then he's like, and I also believe attribution.
Speaker 2: It's okay, Like.
Speaker 3: Matt, you're such a drama queen, just like chill out, no,
Speaker 3: And that's why we love.
Speaker 1: Him, and Fisk is like, okay, is that mad or
Speaker 1: Daredevil who's talking to me? And Fisk says, okay, well,
Speaker 1: here's my warning to you. Stay in your lane, do
Speaker 1: the lawyer shit. That's great, but don't put the suit
Speaker 1: back on, because I promise I will crack down on you,
Speaker 1: as I have promised to do publicly, most recently.
Speaker 2: At this debate.
Speaker 1: And Matt's like, yeah, I'm not going to do that,
Speaker 1: and Fisk makes a what I think is basically the ideological.
Speaker 2: Croux of this series.
Speaker 1: He says, I love a man who rises above his
Speaker 1: nature about Matt, but yeah, I think this is also
Speaker 1: about himself. Clearly, Ken Fisk goes straight and can Matt
Speaker 1: not put on the suit? Like that is the question
Speaker 1: of this entire series.
Speaker 3: I also love that the way Dinofrio, who we all
Speaker 3: know I'm a huge Dinofrio stan.
Speaker 2: I love him. I watch Criminal Intent all the time.
Speaker 2: He's amazing, the.
Speaker 1: Only person to play both Thour and Kingpin in his
Speaker 1: well not great adventures, and Baby saying yeah, well I'm
Speaker 1: not really Thor, but they you know, he.
Speaker 2: Kind of thought I thought he was Thord.
Speaker 3: I was a kid, but yeah, Like I love the
Speaker 3: way he delivers this line, because there is so much
Speaker 3: in it where you can tell he means it, like
Speaker 3: he does love a man who rises, but who can
Speaker 3: rise above his nature. But he also doesn't you can
Speaker 3: tell he doesn't believe that either for them can do it.
Speaker 3: There's like a cynicism and a sarcasm to the delivery
Speaker 3: that's so powerful.
Speaker 2: But you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: That is the crux of this series and will come
Speaker 3: into the first two episodes.
Speaker 2: I think he always do. I think he thinks he's
Speaker 2: doing it right now.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I'm I'm rising above. See if you
Speaker 1: can do it. So madd and Heather go on a date,
Speaker 1: and on the date, Matt hears that Fisk has has won.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he feels like you can see people celebrating
Speaker 2: in the street.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are. People are celebrating. Which is the which
Speaker 1: is the one nobody celebrates the mayor electric New.
Speaker 2: York anyway, I think. But I think what they're trying
Speaker 2: to I think they're trying.
Speaker 3: To let you know, how in day of New York
Speaker 3: right now, this populist idea of like we we can
Speaker 3: blame everything on superheroes and this guy was a crook.
Speaker 3: But now isn't like he is going to take over
Speaker 3: and people just want to celebrate about anything. And there's
Speaker 3: a great moment here because Matt, by the way, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: you're not doing a good job at hiding this ship
Speaker 3: from Heather because he here's in the middle of the street.
Speaker 2: The fisk won just and then he's like, oh, I
Speaker 2: heard a TV in a bar. I heard believe She's like, wait,
Speaker 2: he does this. There's this really great moment that does
Speaker 2: sum up why ladies love Matt Murdock.
Speaker 3: Where there's a huge rush of a crowd and he
Speaker 3: thinks that there's something wrong, so he just lifts her
Speaker 3: onto a step like immediately, and it's very like romantic
Speaker 3: and protective. But he's not doing a good job at
Speaker 3: hiding this from Heather. And if you've read the comics,
Speaker 3: we talked about the Glen in the lead up to this.
Speaker 3: So let's hope that her fate changes from from the comics.
Speaker 1: I hope. So at HQ, it's a party, Vanessa is
Speaker 1: very proud of Wilson. They go to the roof to talk.
Speaker 1: He tells her that he knows that she had messed
Speaker 1: around with a guy named Adam.
Speaker 3: That's the guest, right, it's like unless My other question
Speaker 3: was like did they secretly have a kid, which I
Speaker 3: was like, but I don't think so, because she says,
Speaker 3: don't kill him and he says, I promise I won't.
Speaker 2: I think it was an affair. Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 2: I mean he was gone, yes, she's just had a relationship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: give me a break.
Speaker 1: So, uh, Vanessa does ask Fisk, like, don't kill him,
Speaker 1: and then Fisk is like, I'm not that guy anymore.
Speaker 2: The same thing Dad Evil said to Karen. I love
Speaker 2: this duality. Great, great writing on this first episode.
Speaker 1: Matt and Heather kiss is a major chemistry again, which
Speaker 1: I love. The streets are celebrating and we watch someone
Speaker 1: probably Muse, painting a mural of Fisk as both Kingpin
Speaker 1: and Mayor, which is interesting. Muse probably the villain that
Speaker 1: we're gonna see later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they had been talking about how these murals
Speaker 3: had been popping up. I also will say I had
Speaker 3: been worried because in the Dead of a Born Again
Speaker 3: trailer that was kind of this weird It was like
Speaker 3: a Punisher logo where it's a triggered and.
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I don't know if they've got
Speaker 2: the chops for this.
Speaker 3: But if they're bringing mus in and that's going to
Speaker 3: be part of a villain a storyline, that is going
Speaker 3: to be so interesting.
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I think they have the chops.
Speaker 2: I think they have the chops.
Speaker 1: I like what they're doing with with the Punisher logo
Speaker 1: and the different kind of resonance it's taken on in
Speaker 1: the world all that stuff. As that Matt is walking home,
Speaker 1: he hears like a crime taking place and assault and
Speaker 1: will he suit up? He doesn't, He just he.
Speaker 3: Just stabs there as a red light flashes on his
Speaker 3: face and Wilson Fisk is getting this kind of bright
Speaker 3: white I have to say I was impressed as well.
Speaker 3: We complained about how the first you know, three seasons
Speaker 3: of Dead Levil they have a little bit of fat
Speaker 3: to them. I didn't feel like this episode, how do
Speaker 3: they fat? But what I loved about the end of
Speaker 3: this episode was like they have like that's like a
Speaker 3: minute long silent sequence where it's Wilson Fisk and there's
Speaker 3: this white light on him, kind of reminding you of
Speaker 3: his Kingpin suit and Matt with this red light flashing
Speaker 3: on and off his face and just these two men
Speaker 3: on the cusp of making a decision about the rest
Speaker 3: of their lives and kind of how it will shape
Speaker 3: New York.
Speaker 2: What like what a first episode? Just I agree, so
Speaker 2: so good.
Speaker 1: It's like they both want to stay out of each
Speaker 1: other's way, and they both want to not be in
Speaker 1: conflict with each other.
Speaker 2: But it's also so very clear.
Speaker 1: That, like like magnets, they are just going to end
Speaker 1: up on a collision course and there's almost nothing they
Speaker 1: can do about it because of the natures of these
Speaker 1: two men. And let's take a quick break and come
Speaker 1: back and recap episode.
Speaker 2: Two, and we're back.
Speaker 1: Episode two, Mayor Fisk makes his first address to the city.
Speaker 1: Matt is listening at home. Fisk, you know, basically goes
Speaker 1: off about vigilantes, the Punisher, Spider Man, White Tiger, everybody.
Speaker 1: He promises, rule of law. We're cracking down on these
Speaker 1: vigil antes. In the subway later that night, we see
Speaker 1: a man named Hector Ayala who's carrying some flowers for
Speaker 1: his partner. He is the White Tiger, but this is
Speaker 1: in street clothes. Yes, he sees a mugging taking place.
Speaker 1: He goes and breaks it up. One of the muggers
Speaker 1: gets run over by a train, and that's when the
Speaker 1: other mugger pulls a gun and a badge on Hector.
Speaker 1: That's when we learned that these guys mugging this guy
Speaker 1: were cumps.
Speaker 2: We victim, am I doing something bad? Illegal? I can't
Speaker 2: believe that.
Speaker 1: The victim, by the way, has ran away and Hector
Speaker 1: is under arrest. Fisk's first day on the job, Sheila,
Speaker 1: his campaign manager's laying out his schedule. Now chief of
Speaker 1: staff is laying out his schedule. Fisk has this wonderful
Speaker 1: little monologue about the desk that he's sitting at. Did
Speaker 1: fear did Mayor Laguaria sit at this?
Speaker 2: Ask?
Speaker 1: Who else sat at this desk? We also see that
Speaker 1: his knuckles have been bruised, so he's been punching something.
Speaker 1: Sheila keeps Fisk on track about all the meetings he
Speaker 1: has to do, which he kind of doesn't want to do,
Speaker 1: but she's like, this is important because a lot of
Speaker 1: your constituents hate and distrust you, so you have to
Speaker 1: go and shake hands right now and make people feel
Speaker 1: like this is all normal.
Speaker 3: I also felt this was when I started to realize
Speaker 3: that they have the chops right, because there are just
Speaker 3: little I love the first episode, great first episode of
Speaker 3: the Devil, but there are little choices here, like this
Speaker 3: acknowledgement that really what matters when you're a politician is
Speaker 3: like the first hundred days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be serious about this.
Speaker 3: And otherwise, like you can probably just coast, but you're
Speaker 3: Wilson Fisk and you need to go and shake hands
Speaker 3: and like kiss babies.
Speaker 2: And let people know you're not a bad guy.
Speaker 3: And I just think there's something so honest about it,
Speaker 3: and especially obviously feels very resonant right now. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I just I started to realize, like there's great writing
Speaker 3: on this show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there is a great understanding.
Speaker 3: And I have to say Benson and moorehead just absolutely
Speaker 3: came through because this feels so timely, even though this
Speaker 3: is a show that has been in production for years,
Speaker 3: and that is a skill.
Speaker 1: Shila tells Wilson mayor Fisk that listen, the fact that
Speaker 1: your wife is not like at your side at some
Speaker 1: of these events is kind of hurting you with the
Speaker 1: more traditional voters in New York and so like, can
Speaker 1: we figure out how to include Vanessa Moore and physical
Speaker 1: is like, well, we're working through some stuff right now.
Speaker 1: So I'll get back to you on that. Matt is
Speaker 1: at a police is at a police station, like I guess, working,
Speaker 1: you know, looking into some prospective clients cases or whatever,
Speaker 1: and he hears the cops beating up a suspect and
Speaker 1: trying to get him to confess. So Matt wanders into
Speaker 1: that interview room and finds Hector, and Matt's like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to take your case. He asks him, like what happened,
Speaker 1: and Hector tells him what happened, and Matt senses that
Speaker 1: Hector's telling the truth, but also that Hector's like hiding something,
Speaker 1: which is that he's the fucking white tiger. Fisk is
Speaker 1: very I love this detail because this is very New
Speaker 1: York accurate. Fisk is apparently very popular in Brooklyn and
Speaker 1: Staten Island, which are the most conservative and right wing
Speaker 1: areas of New York. Very Italian, any of the Italian
Speaker 1: strongholds are very very much like conservative bastions.
Speaker 3: They did a great job with like contemporary segregation in
Speaker 3: New York, and you're right anywhere with Italians. Also shocking
Speaker 3: to people outside of New York and America because obviously
Speaker 3: Wu Tan comes from Staten Island, so you would just
Speaker 3: never write, but a.
Speaker 1: Very particular area of Staten Island. Yeah, Fisk's like, suv
Speaker 1: is stuck in traffic because of like a hole in
Speaker 1: the street. So Fisk turns this into a whole like
Speaker 1: press moment where he gets out and he's like.
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Fill this hole in the construction workers like we're waiting
Speaker 1: for the whatever, the city permit people or whatever. He
Speaker 1: is like, just fucking do it. I'm saying it's okay,
Speaker 1: and just do it. And everybody's like.
Speaker 2: Wow, may Or Fisk, he's getting stuffne mad and that
Speaker 2: he can fix it. Whats it?
Speaker 3: And that is so crazy to me because we are
Speaker 3: currently in a situation in LA where there are council
Speaker 3: members trying to push through unregulated builds for the new Olympics,
Speaker 3: and I when this moment happened, I was just like, Wow,
Speaker 3: they just had the finger on the pulse of like
Speaker 3: how politicians perceive getting things done. It's so good, such
Speaker 3: a good moment.
Speaker 1: When Matt comes back to the office, his law partner
Speaker 1: McDuffie is like, what the fuck you were supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Like a dui and you come back with a murderer
Speaker 1: and cherry is like, this guy's story is bullshit. He
Speaker 1: killed a cop, like one hundred percent he did it.
Speaker 1: Man is like, well, I think he's telling the truth.
Speaker 1: And Cherry, you know why you know that. I know
Speaker 1: that he is telling the truth. Wink wink wink, because
Speaker 1: you know about me. And everybody's like, well, the n
Speaker 1: webs is going to turn against you because like this
Speaker 1: is a cop killer case and you're going to defend
Speaker 1: this guy. And Matt tells Cherry, well, listen, here's what
Speaker 1: we do. Find the guy who ran away, find the
Speaker 1: mugging victim, and maybe he's the key to all this.
Speaker 1: And then also looking to Hector's he's not telling me
Speaker 1: because he's hiding something.
Speaker 3: Matt knows because he's been playing Human Light Attected listening
Speaker 3: to his little heart beating.
Speaker 2: But obviously he's hiding something.
Speaker 3: We know what it is because we read the comics,
Speaker 3: but Matt currently doesn't.
Speaker 1: Bbe Urick meets with Dan Blake, Blake gets the BB meeting.
Speaker 1: Blake gets BB A meeting with Fisk, and Fisk is like, oh,
Speaker 1: your uncle Ben, Yeah, I knew him. I killed him.
Speaker 1: He died at my right hands, great giant murdered. He
Speaker 1: was a great journalist who I murdered myself personally. I
Speaker 1: killed that man at the end of season one of
Speaker 1: Netflix's Daredevil.
Speaker 2: Sooner and Karen Page played a big part in that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bibi wants to know why Commissioner Gallo, a very
Speaker 1: popular commissioner of the NYPD, refuses to talk about Fisk.
Speaker 1: Commissioner Gallo is set to leave the job. He is
Speaker 1: again very popular with the rank and file. Fisk needs
Speaker 1: the NYPD on his side, which is why he is
Speaker 1: so interested in the hector Iala case. He wants to
Speaker 1: make the cops happy. And Bibi also wants to know why,
Speaker 1: you know, Vanessa is not around, Like what's going on
Speaker 1: with Vanessa? And that's when Fisk is like end of interview.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Heather is apparently has is writing a book called has
Speaker 1: written a book called Live Without Fear, And so she
Speaker 1: is at her book event and where she announces that
Speaker 1: her next book is going to be about vigilantes and
Speaker 1: people wire masks. A fan comes up and asks for help,
Speaker 1: who's seems very insistent in a weird way.
Speaker 3: Yes, put a note on that, like a major player coming.
Speaker 1: Up, and then she gives him her card and then
Speaker 1: Fisk's assistant, Buck Cashman aka Bullet, comes up to get
Speaker 1: his book signed. Fisk goes to the wake of the
Speaker 1: officer who died in the Hector Ayala fight, and he
Speaker 1: goes when it's over, basically to meet with Commissioner Gallo.
Speaker 1: Gallo fucking hates Fisk, knows Fisk is a criminal, doesn't
Speaker 1: believe that his intentions as mayor or benign, and basically
Speaker 1: is like, I'm going to make sure that you're the
Speaker 1: shortest you have the shortest run as mayor ever in
Speaker 1: the history of New York. Like I want you out. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a strong opening statement. Kristen and Cherry meet with
Speaker 1: Hector's wife, Sola Dad. She thinks Hector has no shot
Speaker 1: at ever getting out of prison. Cherry is like, let
Speaker 1: me go get Hector's suit from the bedroom and then
Speaker 1: swoops around and then finds the white tiger suit in
Speaker 1: the mystical amulet. That's what Hector is hiding at the jail.
Speaker 1: Matt is like, mystical Ambula, very happy that that's coming
Speaker 1: into play. I love that it's in it.
Speaker 2: At the jail.
Speaker 1: Matt's like, why don't you tell me you're fucking white tiger,
Speaker 1: and Hector's like, well, that was my secret and that's it.
Speaker 3: Like, and also, I wasn't white tiger when I beat
Speaker 3: this guy up.
Speaker 2: I was just a guy. I Ala, yeah, I was
Speaker 2: just a guy.
Speaker 1: Matt is like, from now and you have to tell
Speaker 1: me everything. And also we learned that Hector has been
Speaker 1: going through like he's clearly fighting for his life in right.
Speaker 2: Here and right a little bit, he's beat up a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: Gallo comes to see the mare and he's like, I'm resigning.
Speaker 1: And also, you're gonna have problem with the cops because
Speaker 1: a lot of cops are going to take early retirement
Speaker 1: because they don't want to work for you, and so
Speaker 1: you've got a problem. Fisk then threatens Gallo by showing
Speaker 1: him under which he is hidden under a Hogy sandwich.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say to talk about the fact that
Speaker 2: this is like the way.
Speaker 3: Fisk does this is he's eating a cheese steak in
Speaker 3: New York. He's talking about the only good cheese steaks
Speaker 3: are obviously in Philly, and he's talking about who's our
Speaker 3: favorite cheese steak, and Buck is like Ginos and then
Speaker 3: he's like, well, actually I like this one by King
Speaker 3: of Prussia called DeAngelo's. And as soon as he says that,
Speaker 3: you realize that he's threatening, Gallows saying, I know you
Speaker 3: have something that So he shows him a picture and
Speaker 3: he shows him of his little secret son.
Speaker 2: Probably what I get.
Speaker 1: The way he was talking about it was like, this
Speaker 1: is a secret son, I guess with his mistress. Well,
Speaker 1: I think generally they threatening their lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was basically just like, I'm going to kill
Speaker 2: this person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so don't don't even try it, and so Fisk says,
Speaker 1: so here's your options. You can leave, and then I'm
Speaker 1: threatening your family. And also no, here's what happens to
Speaker 1: the cops. They get no pay rises, they get no
Speaker 1: additional overtime, and no expanded cadet class unless you stay on.
Speaker 2: Do we have an agreement? And Galla decides okay, I'll
Speaker 2: stay on.
Speaker 1: Matt and Ben Hockberg, the Hawk who is the prosecutor
Speaker 1: in the Iola case, discuss the case with Matt, where
Speaker 1: Matt basically says, listen, my client is white tiger, but
Speaker 1: he wasn't wearing a mystical amulet and he wasn't in
Speaker 1: his suit. Therefore, yeah, no, we cannot disclose the information
Speaker 1: that he was white tiger because it would prejudice the jury.
Speaker 1: It's not involved in this. And the judge is like, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: no mention a way, say.
Speaker 3: Rag good lawyering for Mattam By the way, guys, we rally,
Speaker 3: we rally get to see him doing some good lawyering.
Speaker 3: But this is actually good lawyering. And the judge agrees,
Speaker 3: he's correct to agree. Yeah, and you're like, wow, maybe
Speaker 3: Matt really is going to make a difference as a
Speaker 3: lawyer in this town.
Speaker 2: Maybe he is. Maybe he was never need to be
Speaker 2: that of all.
Speaker 1: Again, Cherry tells Matt that he can't find the witness
Speaker 1: and also that he thinks Matt is too close to
Speaker 1: this case because it's a case of out of vigilante
Speaker 1: and you know Matt what's going.
Speaker 3: Cherry knows because he saw him take off his mosque
Speaker 3: after he tried to kill Benjamin poindex The aka Bullseye.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Matt uh follows one of the cops who is beating
Speaker 1: up Hector and follows him to his house. And we
Speaker 1: also see during this kind of like intercut series of
Speaker 1: scenes that Buck Cashman has is at Heather's office to
Speaker 1: introduce her to her new clients, mister Fisk mat full
Speaker 1: right to start working with Wilson and Vanessa because they
Speaker 1: need to go through their issues. Meanwhile, Matt hears from
Speaker 1: the street, here's the the dirty cop planning to kill
Speaker 1: this witness, the the mugging victim who fled, and they
Speaker 1: know where he's at and they're heading there now. Matt
Speaker 1: calls Cherry to tell him what's going on. He arrives
Speaker 1: at the apartment telling the guy Nikki that listen, the
Speaker 1: cops are coming right now to kill you. They want
Speaker 1: to rub you out for because of whatever you're involved in.
Speaker 1: He's like, go flee down the fire escape because he
Speaker 1: can hear that. He can hear them rushing up, and
Speaker 1: the cops come to the door. Matt lets them in
Speaker 1: and he's like, Hi, I know you were trying to
Speaker 1: see Nikki, but guess what, I'm here.
Speaker 2: I'm his lawyer, and he's not here. The cops have
Speaker 2: punish your tattoos, which is.
Speaker 1: Very in a lot of ways, and they're like, oh, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: well watch this and they start beating the ship out
Speaker 1: of Matt. And then one of the cops is like,
Speaker 1: let's fucking just kill this guy. And the other one
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, but he's a lawyer. He's like, nah,
Speaker 1: just do it.
Speaker 2: I don't please the dove do this because you don't
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 1: And then Matt goes absolutely fucking nuclear and absolutely murks
Speaker 1: these fucking yeah, like, I'm guys are knapping arms in souallyes.
Speaker 1: This guy in the kitchens, these guys have traumatic brain injury.
Speaker 1: Like sorry to Nicky, but when you come back to
Speaker 1: your apartment, you're gonna find a crying Catholic man and
Speaker 1: two fucked up.
Speaker 2: Cops and it's gonna be good for you. I'm like,
Speaker 2: these men, I would be survived. I would be surprised
Speaker 2: if they survived. I also found the Punisher Tato's thing
Speaker 2: really interesting because I feel like, even though this is
Speaker 2: more of a from what we know about, this is
Speaker 2: more of an LA problem, but like it feels like
Speaker 2: the show is gonna touch on like police gangs or
Speaker 2: sheriff gangs.
Speaker 3: Like we have had, you know, exposed recently in the
Speaker 3: well in the last decade in LA. But obviously with
Speaker 3: this twist of the Punisher, which we know that logo
Speaker 3: in real life has been taken and repurposed as an
Speaker 3: image for cops and I just thought that this scene
Speaker 3: was like so so good, and then of course the
Speaker 3: end of the scene, which really sells it.
Speaker 2: It. Matt It's just so fucking.
Speaker 3: Angry that he had to do this, Like he doesn't
Speaker 3: want to be Daredevil. He's made this promise we get
Speaker 3: what Aaron normal, you know, basically predicted correctly. It was
Speaker 3: almost like an Anakin no, and we are probably going
Speaker 3: to get one of those in this series. I mean, wow,
Speaker 3: what what a first couple of episodes.
Speaker 1: Let's sick a break and then come back for our
Speaker 1: quick thoughts on the first two episodes of Dared obil
Speaker 1: Bourne and we are back. I think two very strong episodes,
Speaker 1: and it's clear that what the idea is is to
Speaker 1: take the stuff that worked, the violence, the action, the
Speaker 1: wonderful work of of Charlie Cox as Matthew Murdoch, Vincent
Speaker 1: Genofrio as Wilson Fisk, and then give them the dramatic scenes,
Speaker 1: the writing, the character development around that to really almost
Speaker 1: elevate this to to attempt to elevate it almost to
Speaker 1: like a prestige drama, like like what we've seen with
Speaker 1: the Penguin. Essentially, this is like answer to the Pengin.
Speaker 2: A feeling like that.
Speaker 3: I think that it is more akin to the Penguin
Speaker 3: because of the surprising choices they're making and the interesting
Speaker 3: no plot armor for certain characters.
Speaker 2: This show is letting you know anything.
Speaker 1: I couldn't I mean, I couldn't believe it when they.
Speaker 2: Have to say, guys, look, I was actually kind of
Speaker 2: like no. I was just enjoying his aircut.
Speaker 3: And and also everybody you know was happy to see
Speaker 3: the trio brought back together. But I gotta say, guys,
Speaker 3: it was Karen or Foggy, and they need to fix
Speaker 3: Karen from the first three seasons, so you know what.
Speaker 3: It's occasionally a man must die, a man must be fridged,
Speaker 3: and this time it was Foggy ipe.
Speaker 2: To that man.
Speaker 3: But I love that they are not afraid to just
Speaker 3: absolutely shake things up. I also am very interested because
Speaker 3: I think the courtroom aspect and the potential of that
Speaker 3: as it is in the comics is some of my
Speaker 3: favorite stuff.
Speaker 2: So I was kind of worried when they said, well.
Speaker 3: The first show had too much courtroom and not enough
Speaker 3: dared Evil. And actually, I feel like the this blend
Speaker 3: of the two is working really well. I'm excited, you know,
Speaker 3: We were talking Jason before about you know you you
Speaker 3: keenly spotted that the Hector Ayala stuff is very Brian
Speaker 3: Michael bendis like they're deftly taking that stuff from the comics.
Speaker 3: Obviously we have like Kristin McDuffie, she is from the
Speaker 3: Mark Wade Palla Rivera stuff like they're taking from.
Speaker 2: There's obviously some Charles saul In here as well.
Speaker 3: They're really taken from the best of Dead level and
Speaker 3: in the thanks there are thanks to many many creators,
Speaker 3: including Annie Nascenti in the second episode. We get so
Speaker 3: many polls from the comics here in a way that
Speaker 3: doesn't feel distracting or you know, as somebody who I
Speaker 3: know guys, I'm aware of my role in the Easter eggification.
Speaker 3: I love to find an Easter egg. It was my
Speaker 3: job for many years to find an Easter egg. But
Speaker 3: these don't feel like random Easter eggs. This is a
Speaker 3: show that, like you said, is response. It feels like
Speaker 3: a response to the penguin of Oh, we see that
Speaker 3: you can make an Emmy winning show. And we know
Speaker 3: Disney has you know, Disney has been in the awards
Speaker 3: contention occasionally for Wonder Vision, for and Or. They're obviously
Speaker 3: going big for and Or this year to get it
Speaker 3: into awards contention. But this feels like a really great
Speaker 3: blend of what macOS does well. And I have to say,
Speaker 3: I love you know, I love wonder vision that's up
Speaker 3: there for me. But I will say those first three
Speaker 3: episodes of Division that they dropped if you were not
Speaker 3: an emcuviewer, they were quite inexplicable until you got further
Speaker 3: in and understood a little bit more about what.
Speaker 2: Was going on.
Speaker 3: And I did have even though there was a lot
Speaker 3: of great TV references and kind of it was quite abstract.
Speaker 3: I think that this might be the best, or is
Speaker 3: up there with the best of the first two episodes
Speaker 3: of an MCU show.
Speaker 1: I think the reason that the courtroom stuff felt like
Speaker 1: it dragged in the Daredevil Netflix series is because it
Speaker 1: was I'm not saying the writing was bad on the
Speaker 1: Daredevil Netflix series, but through two episodes, the average writing
Speaker 1: level is better. Like they've really taken their time to
Speaker 1: make stuff feel both real world and possible in the
Speaker 1: comic context as well. They've grappled, I think really well
Speaker 1: with the idea that New York is a real place
Speaker 1: with real people who live in it, who are dealing with, uh,
Speaker 1: crazy things happening, chaotic things happening all the time, Vigilantes
Speaker 1: fighting in the streets, superhero battles, destroying buildings, alien invasions.
Speaker 2: Et cetera.
Speaker 1: Like there's a moment where, uh, Matt, when Matt is
Speaker 1: arguing that the White Tiger evidence should be kept out
Speaker 1: of the trial, and he says, listen, he wasn't wearing
Speaker 1: his mystical amulet, and Hackburg like rolls his eyes and
Speaker 1: makes like this gesture like his fucking mystic Are you
Speaker 1: serious with the mystical Amulya?
Speaker 2: And I loved that because because they're like, I'm sick of.
Speaker 1: This ship, Like I'm sick of this ship, and they're
Speaker 1: just playing, and they're playing it so straight, like to
Speaker 1: just have a regular lawyer be like, well, he wasn't
Speaker 1: wearing his mystical amulet, judge. That's the kind of stuff
Speaker 1: that the previous the Netflix stuff didn't deal with. It
Speaker 1: was very, very separate, very you knew that this was
Speaker 1: a post Battle of New York World, but like none
Speaker 1: of that's other than knowing that it happened and seeing
Speaker 1: like some pressings of the fact that it happened. You
Speaker 1: didn't get the sense that it it impacted people or
Speaker 1: the people felt a type of way about it, whereas
Speaker 1: now with the BB Report intercuts and like that little
Speaker 1: moment with the Hawk where he's like rolling his eyes
Speaker 1: at Mistglama, like all of that stuff is letting is
Speaker 1: like that classic Marvel Comics thing of real people dealing
Speaker 1: with insane, wild sci fi fantasy circumstances. And I think
Speaker 1: elevating that to basically like Prestige TV is what the
Speaker 1: show is trying to do. And I think through two episodes,
Speaker 1: has done successfully.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 3: And I also think that now there is a non
Speaker 3: zero chance that we actually will get shee Halt or
Speaker 3: maybe more likely Jen, because I have to say I
Speaker 3: did not expect references to Echo. I did not think that.
Speaker 3: I thought they were going to use this not to
Speaker 3: soft recon. I love Echo, we all know that. I
Speaker 3: think she's fantastic. I love the actress who brings that
Speaker 3: to life. I love it disabled superhero, that's my jam.
Speaker 3: But I wasn't one hundred percent sure if they were
Speaker 3: gonna kind of even reference it. And I loved how
Speaker 3: casually they did it. I loved how much fun there
Speaker 3: was in that kind.
Speaker 2: Of like kids, what do you do with them? I
Speaker 2: thought that was hilarious.
Speaker 3: I also liked how it kind of leaned into the
Speaker 3: acknowledgement that there is a younger class of heroes coming up,
Speaker 3: both heroes and anti heroes. And I think that the
Speaker 3: mention of the Mystical Amulet is very sheehowk Like we
Speaker 3: are in a world where Shee Hulk was introducing mutants
Speaker 3: and like completely random deep cup characters. She's breaking the
Speaker 3: fourth wall. I love how this is kind of comboing
Speaker 3: all of this. Also, I did find it very interesting
Speaker 3: that they, you know, red Hook is such a key
Speaker 3: location here obviously like a real New York location, but
Speaker 3: it does have like after people found out Steve Rodgers
Speaker 3: was Captain America when he revealed that his civilian identity,
Speaker 3: like that's where he went to live, Like there are
Speaker 3: big Marvel connotations in Red Hook too, So I feel
Speaker 3: it they're doing a good job again of balancing the reality,
Speaker 3: but also the kind of moments like X Men ninety
Speaker 3: six from the bloom In seventy five, that's the first
Speaker 3: place that they ever mentioned Red Hook in the MCU.
Speaker 2: Hydra had a base in Red Hook.
Speaker 3: During like that, and I just think it's cool that
Speaker 3: they're kind of they're managing to balance again the reality
Speaker 3: of New York, but along with the hints of what
Speaker 3: could come from.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do I'll do an omnibus. If they continue
Speaker 1: to be Red Hook stuff in here, we'll do it.
Speaker 2: That would be about brilliant.
Speaker 1: Because it's a It is an interesting area of New
Speaker 1: York that is always kind of like left out of
Speaker 1: People have been trying to develop it. Cruise ships do
Speaker 1: dock there now, but because of the geography and the
Speaker 1: way it kind of spits out into the into the bay,
Speaker 1: it's not serviced easily by mass transit, and so it
Speaker 1: is this kind of like out of the way, different
Speaker 1: place where a diverse crew of people live there, including artists,
Speaker 1: including just regular working class folks. So it's an interesting place.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it maybe later.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that. Also.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to ask you as if I am
Speaker 3: to be Eric as a New Yorker, how did you
Speaker 3: feel about the New York representation within this show.
Speaker 1: I thought it was good. I thought it felt you know,
Speaker 1: the BB Report is like something that you would see
Speaker 1: on a screen in the back of a cab or
Speaker 1: like on New York One, which is like the local
Speaker 1: cable news channel, and it felt very real to me,
Speaker 1: Like I thought that was one of the strongest storytelling
Speaker 1: choices that they made here, So I'm excited. We're going
Speaker 1: to continue to cover dared Evil Born Again on a
Speaker 1: week to week basis in the next few episodes of
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Speaker 1: course our continuing coverage of Severance will roll on with
Speaker 1: episodes episode two A Weight of Severance.
Speaker 2: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening, Bye.
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