WEBVTT - Daredevil: Born Again Episodes 1 and 2

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<v Speaker 1>Warning. Today's episode canad spoilers for the first two episodes

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<v Speaker 1>of Daredevil Born Again be warned.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and nam is Jason Tepsi.

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<v Speaker 1>Owed he I'm Mosey Night and welcome back to X Revision,

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast where we dive into your favorite shows, movies,

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<v Speaker 1>comics of pop culture. Coming from IRAW podcast where we'll

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<v Speaker 1>bring you three episodes a week Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, plus

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<v Speaker 1>news on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 3>And in today's episode, we've been waiting for it. We've

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<v Speaker 3>been prepping for it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the first two episodes of Dad Evil Born Again,

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<v Speaker 2>Episodes one and two, and oh my goodness, what episodes

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<v Speaker 2>they are.

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<v Speaker 3>What's Wilson Fisk been up to? What's Matt doing? How's

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<v Speaker 3>Old folk Worth, How's Old Foggy folk Worth? How's Karen?

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<v Speaker 3>Who's Hector Ryalla.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna be on all these questions and more and

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<v Speaker 2>generally freaking out.

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<v Speaker 3>And before we get to that, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 3>for the great response to our first book club episode.

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<v Speaker 3>It was wonderful to see everyone reading along and get

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<v Speaker 3>such great feedback. Our next book club title is a

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<v Speaker 3>short story from the Ted Chang Excellations collection, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>called The Magicians and the Alchemist's Gate and it is

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<v Speaker 3>just absolutely wonderful. And as one of our discord members

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<v Speaker 3>pointed out, there is a lover a Lovar Burton podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Where you can listen to him reading the story.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you want to experience it that way, go

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<v Speaker 3>for it, and make sure to read and join our

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<v Speaker 3>discord so you can join in with a book club chat.

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<v Speaker 1>But next episodes one and two of Daredevil Board Again. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>episode one of Daredevil Born Again. We open in Hell's kitchen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been some years since we last saw our friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and they look great. They look out, they look.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>They are leaving Nelson Murdock and Page Fogg. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>a great new haircut.

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<v Speaker 2>He looks finally good.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally they're discussing all the changes.

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<v Speaker 2>That have been going on in the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>We discover that there's kind of a crisis of personnel

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<v Speaker 1>power over at the NYPD. We're a large percentage of

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<v Speaker 1>the forces set to retire soon and they are currently

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<v Speaker 1>heading to a retirement party for Detective Cherry at a

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<v Speaker 1>local bar where we meet some other casts cast some

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<v Speaker 1>of the other caster characters from the show, Detective Kim etc.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt's future law partner Kristen McDuffie changes generally in the air.

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<v Speaker 1>We also learned that vigilantes are very hot at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>White Tiger is out in the streets, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Man and others. We see that Matt and Karen

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<v Speaker 1>have big chemistry at this particular party.

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<v Speaker 2>But Matt's trying to be like, we should keep it friends.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, but there's definitely but it's that it

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<v Speaker 4>literally says to him, let's get out of here, and

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<v Speaker 4>he's like, oh, that might break the friend code, like

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<v Speaker 4>but that basically things are going great, and immediately the

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<v Speaker 4>show kind of warms you into this like fun, celebratory

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<v Speaker 4>space where it really does feel like changes on the

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<v Speaker 4>edge for New York, and it seems like Nelson, Murdock

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<v Speaker 4>and Page are a big part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Foggy is flirting with McDuffie when he gets a call,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course Matt fucking listens to.

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<v Speaker 3>And this, I swear to god, this man has never, ever, ever,

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<v Speaker 3>ever allowed somebody to have privacy in that entire life.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it worked out kind of but still.

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<v Speaker 1>Because actually a little bit late this time, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>tense and maybe that's what draws Matt's attention. Something has

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<v Speaker 1>happened in Red Hook. This that Foggy is talking to Benny.

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<v Speaker 1>People are outside of his apartment and they're they're coming

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<v Speaker 1>for him, and Foggy is telling him, Okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wait there, I'm gonna come over. Foggy apparently kept this

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<v Speaker 1>from Matt. He tells him to keep him from getting

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<v Speaker 1>involved in basically becoming garrettevil all again. Matt whatever overhearing this, goes,

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<v Speaker 1>puts on the suit and rushes to, you know, back

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<v Speaker 1>to the bar. He hears the sound of like a rifle.

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<v Speaker 1>He hears a rifle somewhere. It is Bullseye. Bullseye shoots

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<v Speaker 1>Foggy outside of the bar and all hell breaks. He's

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<v Speaker 1>shooting other people outside of the bar. He swings down,

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<v Speaker 1>he throws smoke grenades into the bar. He's about to

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<v Speaker 1>kill Karen, who's pulling out a gun. She's got a

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<v Speaker 1>concealed carry permit apparently in New York City, which just

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<v Speaker 1>getting hurt again by the way, And just as she

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<v Speaker 1>is about to you know, engage with Bullseye, Matt swings

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<v Speaker 1>in and we get a huge fight scene in the bar,

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<v Speaker 1>people running back and forth, Cherry and Kim call the

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<v Speaker 1>police and they're helping people evacuate. All this is happening while.

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<v Speaker 2>Just lots of people and also.

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<v Speaker 1>Killing, stabbing, like throwing knives into people's necks.

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<v Speaker 2>I say, if you are.

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<v Speaker 3>An injured Matt Murdoch lover, and I know you're out

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<v Speaker 3>there girls. I know you're out there boys. I know

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<v Speaker 3>that people love to see Matt Murdoch fighting his way

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<v Speaker 3>through a dangerous injury and looking.

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<v Speaker 2>Very sad about it. He is riddled with blades.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, I think is pretty good. It doesn't all the

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<v Speaker 1>way through, but yeah, it looks bad.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a great comic book moment where you kind of

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<v Speaker 3>realize again, like this man is just human. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>his willpower and a great armor and of course his

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<v Speaker 3>secret superheroic blindness non blindness.

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<v Speaker 2>But I love this fight with Bullseye.

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<v Speaker 3>It immediately just throws you straight back into the best

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<v Speaker 3>of what Dad Evil was.

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<v Speaker 2>And they do not.

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<v Speaker 3>It is such a great opening to this episode. But

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<v Speaker 3>Matt is really concerned with fighting Bullseye and not necessarily

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<v Speaker 3>concerned with like his best friend being shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he's got to get give this guy's a psychopathic killer.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got to get him off the streets, and the

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<v Speaker 1>fight goes to the roof. They basically limp to the roof.

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<v Speaker 1>Both guys are absolutely spent by the time they get

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<v Speaker 1>up there.

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<v Speaker 2>Love the Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>Beats Bullseye and then is hanging him off the roof

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<v Speaker 1>as he hears Foggy basically take his last breaths. Bullseye

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<v Speaker 1>laughs about it, thinks it's hilarious. So Matt drops him

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<v Speaker 1>off the roof onto his face. And yet the guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet, much to Rosie's delight, he lives.

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<v Speaker 2>My sweet assassin son. Never know. He's a terrible, terrible, terrible,

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<v Speaker 2>terribly murderer. But I think that the season three representation

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<v Speaker 2>of him, as you can, it's for the best talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 3>He's so engaging and interesting and intriguing and such a

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<v Speaker 3>great foil for Matt that I felt like, Okay, if

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<v Speaker 3>we lose Foggy and Ben in the first like five minutes,

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<v Speaker 3>then are they just doing these people coming back? Was

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<v Speaker 3>that just stunt casting? Is it actually going to play

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<v Speaker 3>into the rest of the series. But he somehow survives

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<v Speaker 3>being thrown onto his face, insane because it was like

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<v Speaker 3>a really gnary like ten story fall. Yes, I am

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<v Speaker 3>happy he survived for the story. Sadly, Foggy did not.

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<v Speaker 1>Foggy Shockingly, Foggy is gone. He's gone the first eight

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<v Speaker 1>minutes of the show. He got a nice trim too,

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<v Speaker 1>he looked great track game. Matt drops the Daredevil mask

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<v Speaker 1>and we go right and see the opening credits.

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<v Speaker 3>Fast new opening credits, new marble kind of characters.

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<v Speaker 2>They're made out of stone rather.

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<v Speaker 3>Than the famous kind of blood wax motif from the

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<v Speaker 3>first season. Gets see all your favor characters Wilson, etc.

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<v Speaker 3>And then boom, time jump.

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<v Speaker 1>One year later, New York City is in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of a mayoral election. There's been a recalling. Now it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like an open run to the Mayor's office. Man

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<v Speaker 1>is getting ready for work at his new firm, McDuffie

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<v Speaker 1>and Murdoch. Meanwhile, Wilson Fisk the Kingpin, is eating a healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>healthy portion breakfast in his mansion. Elsewhere at a meeting

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<v Speaker 1>of the various mobs, presided over by Vanessa, who is

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<v Speaker 1>wearing all Kingpin white. And you see that Vanessa is

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<v Speaker 1>basically like the referee, kind of like the CEO of

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<v Speaker 1>the Mafia families, making sure that everybody is getting paid,

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<v Speaker 1>and that territory disputes are being adjudicated without violence. The room.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, there's the famous painting by Ilia Repin

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<v Speaker 1>of Ivan the terrible cradling son who he had just murdered.

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<v Speaker 2>Love that.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that moment because it really also evokes just

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<v Speaker 3>what we've seen with the Devil and Bullseye. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot to it. I love them bringing the art side

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<v Speaker 3>of Vanessa in. Also, I love that this rumor was true.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that what she's that she really is running

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<v Speaker 3>these gangs like and I also love like you said,

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<v Speaker 3>she's running them like a CEO, and that is going

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<v Speaker 3>to become very important as the series goes on.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson arrives, the gangsters are like, let's give them some privacy.

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson is like, I'm very impressed with your management of

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<v Speaker 1>the gangs. By the way, I love you still. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest wife guy around. I will stick around, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as you want me around.

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<v Speaker 2>But he also has been she hasn't really seen him

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<v Speaker 2>for a while. It sounds she.

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<v Speaker 3>Hasn't seen him in a couple of years and know

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<v Speaker 3>what he was doing when he was out with Echo.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't know what he was doing when he was

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<v Speaker 2>recovering from the last time face.

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<v Speaker 1>The last time she really saw him was when he

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<v Speaker 1>was in the hospital, and it was either four when

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<v Speaker 1>Echo shot him in the face or when he got

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<v Speaker 1>his ass thoroughly beat at the end of Hawkeye. One

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<v Speaker 1>of those times, she was at his hospital bed and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, you know, I love you so much and

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<v Speaker 1>I really believe that together, like we can change New

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<v Speaker 1>York City for the better.

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<v Speaker 2>We can make your grade again.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like, by the way, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Running for mayor.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I I think I can win. We do

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<v Speaker 1>some research into I think.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's also like he he also says very importantly

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<v Speaker 3>because I think this is a huge choice that they made.

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<v Speaker 3>That moves this away from the comics a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>is he immediately says that you can keep.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing the crosses, you do the crime, I'll do it proof.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. So it has to be a complete Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>wall between the two, like no, no barrier. The barrier

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<v Speaker 1>must be very.

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<v Speaker 3>Strong between the two. And he said, hey, I've made

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<v Speaker 3>it bulletproof. There's nothing they can catch me out on.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is a huge deal because we were kind

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<v Speaker 3>of wondering if it would be more of a mystery

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<v Speaker 3>whether Wilson had really changed, or if they'd try and

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<v Speaker 3>play into that idea that he had. I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>really smart to do this because we know who Wilson

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<v Speaker 3>Fisk is. And also I think it sets up a

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<v Speaker 3>potential conflict for Wilson and Vanessa in the future if

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<v Speaker 3>he does start to really believe his own rehetoric about,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, making New York great again and Fisk can

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<v Speaker 3>fix it.

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<v Speaker 1>We see some video footage from the bb Report, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a video news series kind of like a street

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<v Speaker 1>level view of New Yorker's takes on various topics, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's produced by Ben's daughter, excuse me, Ben's niece, bb Urick.

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<v Speaker 1>And these are intercut all throughout the series. And are these,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, really cool like chapter dividers where you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of get the feel for what New York is feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this is one of the smartest storytelling

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<v Speaker 1>devices that they put into the show to really ground

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<v Speaker 1>this in New York and make you feel like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand, like what what the temperature of the city is,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is a city. Listen Chaitari Invasion, Fanos invasion

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<v Speaker 1>that was upstate, but still you know, the Hope destoring

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<v Speaker 1>Harlem people getting snapped, the Infinity Hawkey running around, the

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<v Speaker 1>Infinity War fight. Like shit is going like haywire in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City like all the time. So it's no

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<v Speaker 1>surprise that the citizens of the city are kind of like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on, Like we can stop this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt meets with his partner, ex assistant Da Kristin McDuffie

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<v Speaker 1>at their law offices. He is getting ready to testify

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<v Speaker 1>at Bullseye sentencing, and of course Christen is worried that

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<v Speaker 1>like it's very traumatic and you can be okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, yeah, I'm fine, totally, he says. He goes

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<v Speaker 1>to the sentencing and at the sentencing he basically says, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you whatever you throw at dex it is not

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<v Speaker 1>enough because of what he has taken from the world,

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<v Speaker 1>my good friend, you know, my law partner of the

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful human being known as Foggy. We see Karen enter

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<v Speaker 1>the courtroom from the back. Oh, she's just standing and

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<v Speaker 1>she looks fiss. She looks furious. It's clear that they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen each other in a while. He asks Matt

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<v Speaker 1>asks the court to throw the book at Decks, and

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<v Speaker 1>Dex does indeed get multiple life sentences.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to ask your question here, though, does he

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<v Speaker 2>go to get out? Does he want? Does does New

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<v Speaker 2>York have the death penalty? No? Okay, that I was

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<v Speaker 2>interested in Matt's reaction because even.

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<v Speaker 3>When Dex gets the life sentences, Matt looks like angry,

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<v Speaker 3>and I wonder if that's because he just can't fulfill,

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<v Speaker 3>like it's still not going to ff fill the whole

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<v Speaker 3>that Foggy leaps.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I was like, did he want him to get

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<v Speaker 2>the death sentence? Doesn't seem very catholic of him? Does

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<v Speaker 2>New York have it? There was something like a loss

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<v Speaker 2>that he felt.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I will say that I think that I agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you that there was a conflict there in Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think what's so wonderful about Daredevil, the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and what they're really blowing out here, at least to

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<v Speaker 1>me thus far, is the catholicness, which is that conflict.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt wants to do the right thing, but he also

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<v Speaker 1>wants to fucking kill this guy, and he wants to

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<v Speaker 1>see him by, and he wants to fight crime, but

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to do it legally, but he does it

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<v Speaker 1>illegally every night, like, so he's got these incredible conflicts

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<v Speaker 1>going on inside of him. Karen and Matt catch up

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously very tough day. She's living in San Francisco

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<v Speaker 1>now she has been avoiding Matt's calls.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a great scene, really really good, and also.

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<v Speaker 3>It tells us so much about how Foggy was the

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<v Speaker 3>glue that helped them together because he died. Karen says, Matt,

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<v Speaker 3>you just ignored me for like months, so I had

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<v Speaker 3>to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>There was nothing I could do.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's just such a good scene without really any exposition.

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<v Speaker 3>It's much more of an emotional scene that tells you

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<v Speaker 3>where these characters are at.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's very interesting because Matt.

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<v Speaker 3>Has almost like it feels like he's left Karen behind

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<v Speaker 3>and now he's this super really successful lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>His law office is a fancy as far really nice.

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<v Speaker 3>He's with Krista McDuffie, who seems great like as a

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<v Speaker 3>law partner, and you know, yeah he's not on the street,

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<v Speaker 3>but at what costs because Karen is probably the only

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<v Speaker 3>person who really understands him and what he lost with Foggy.

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<v Speaker 1>So he is he basically tells Karen, listen, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>that guy anymore. I'm not Daredevil anymore. I'm not ever

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<v Speaker 1>doing that again. And she leaves. He doesn't want her

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<v Speaker 1>to leave, but she leaves, and she leaves him like

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<v Speaker 1>a little broken off piece of his like devil horn mask.

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<v Speaker 1>That night, as Matt is making dinner, he hears just

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<v Speaker 1>on TVs and radios around the neighborhood that Fisk has

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<v Speaker 1>announced as Kennedy's for mayor. At Fisk headquarters, the energy

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<v Speaker 1>is amazing. The slogan is Fisk can fix it. We

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<v Speaker 1>meet his staff, Buck Cashman aka Bullet from the comics,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not how I expected to get this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying this whole thing is so funny because they

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<v Speaker 2>could go the MCU route of these are just names

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<v Speaker 2>that don't mean anything, but it's so fun to see

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<v Speaker 2>who they chose and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>They chose all comics people. Yeah, Sheila Rivera, who is

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<v Speaker 1>his campaign manager, and an energetic and very dedicated young

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<v Speaker 1>staffer named Dan Blake.

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<v Speaker 3>Who is in the comics like uh an Astronaut slash Martian,

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<v Speaker 3>which were obviously not getting here, but a big deal

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<v Speaker 3>that I also visit Alien though, how cool would that be.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say, like, maybe it could happen. Yeah, possible,

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<v Speaker 2>It's possible.

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<v Speaker 3>But also I want to say, I think this is

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<v Speaker 3>very brave choice of them to not go the obvious route,

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<v Speaker 3>which everyone thought my called Gandefini would be playing young

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<v Speaker 3>Wilson Fisk, and I love that they instead went to

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<v Speaker 3>make him the kind of social media kind of young

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<v Speaker 3>right wing drinking an energy Jed liked it really hits.

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<v Speaker 1>Rogan listening, Sean Ryan, that podcast listening kind of guy.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that they they couldn't have seen just

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<v Speaker 3>how prescient that would feel right now in twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was like a gut punch.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, okay, this feels like a good

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<v Speaker 3>character yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great.

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<v Speaker 3>Character, and it's much more interesting than the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>idea that people he was just going to play young

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<v Speaker 3>Wilson Facer. So I'm very happy with this, very interested

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<v Speaker 3>to see where that character goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt gets set up with a prospective client by Kristin McDuffie,

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<v Speaker 1>a woman by the name of Heather Glenn, and he

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<v Speaker 1>meets her at a coffee shop. But then we realized

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<v Speaker 1>that actually Kirstin had set Matt up and Heather up,

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<v Speaker 1>like as a matchmaker, and the Heather is a therapist,

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<v Speaker 1>not a potential client. And Kirsten definitely thinks the two

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<v Speaker 1>would hit it off and that they should date, and

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<v Speaker 1>both of them are like, I can't believe she did

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<v Speaker 1>this. This is fucking terrible, how annoying, Like I'm sorry, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>pick up your coffee, like I'm sorry to waste sure, and

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<v Speaker 1>then like immediately after that they began hitting it off,

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<v Speaker 1>like immediately after that.

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<v Speaker 2>Because what's one truth about dad evil that they get

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<v Speaker 2>right in this show, Jason, The ladies love Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>The ladies absolutely fall for Matt Murdoch. And not only that,

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<v Speaker 1>Matt he knows when that post quickens, like, oh baby,

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, everything I got him, got him. He's

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<v Speaker 1>like she said to me back at the office, Matt

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<v Speaker 1>is like, what are you doing to Kirsten, Like, don't

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<v Speaker 1>do that, but also, yeah, we hit it off.

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<v Speaker 2>Then give me a number.

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<v Speaker 1>He meets with a detective former Detective Cherry, who is

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<v Speaker 1>now working as an investigator for McDuffie and Murdoch.

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<v Speaker 2>Cherry says he had.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently been looking into the Fisk campaign. For Matt and

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<v Speaker 1>probably for his own interest, and he says, like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's completely clean on the up and up, like money

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<v Speaker 1>is all accounted for. There's nothing there, Okay, so let

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<v Speaker 1>it go. They both decide, Okay, we're gonna let it go,

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<v Speaker 1>and like this is when fighting Wilson Fisk is not

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<v Speaker 1>what we do anymore. And he's running. It's clean, it's clean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's up to the it's up to the citizens of

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<v Speaker 1>New York now to decide whether they want to vote

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<v Speaker 1>for this guy. At night, Matt listens as the city

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<v Speaker 1>watches Fisk in the mayoral debate. Fisk is running on

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<v Speaker 1>in part of a platform that says, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>bring law back to law and order back to New

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<v Speaker 1>York City, and that means no more vigilantes, vigil antes.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to crack down on the White Tigers and

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<v Speaker 1>the daredevils on this spider man.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta say, that's what we were right. You can

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<v Speaker 2>ring that we were right, Bell.

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<v Speaker 3>Because that is exactly what you predicted when we were

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<v Speaker 3>watching Dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, when we were doing our recaps, and I think.

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<v Speaker 3>That I was surprised by how much I could feel

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<v Speaker 3>the impact. It was already having like, Yeah, when Wilson

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<v Speaker 3>Fisk says it, you start to believe, Okay, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a world where by the end of this season, vigilantes

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<v Speaker 3>are not something that is normal, he says, or superheroes

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<v Speaker 3>are not something that's normal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He says something that I think is very I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was really cutting and could be important for the MC

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<v Speaker 1>going forward, which is, you know, we've we've tried registration.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing registration. I'm doing like solutions or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, like, I'm not looking for I'm not looking

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<v Speaker 1>to register vigilantes. He's basically looking to stop wipe them out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he's he can do it because he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I had an incident with a vigilante. Yeah, you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>I was shot assassin.

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<v Speaker 1>Okayitch Like, come on, give me a fucking break, give

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<v Speaker 1>me a bucket break. Matt basically goes to Fisk's headquarters

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<v Speaker 1>and meets him outside, is like, let's go have a chat.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, okay, Kingpin. It's actually quite warm. Considering the

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<v Speaker 1>history of the past interactions between the two. Kingpin mentions,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I tried to mentor someone but it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>work out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Echo who shot him in the face. She shot

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<v Speaker 2>in the face. Is that right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, and Fisk's like, oh, you've been keeping tabs on me, Like, yeah,

0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:37.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I read the news.

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<v Speaker 3>I also love He goes, he goes the younger generation,

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<v Speaker 3>what are you gonna do with them?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What are you gonna do? Correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Kingpin notes that they've both come up in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt is dressing really well. He's got this nice law office. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt is like, yeah, I'm done with my Daredevil days.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to let you know, Fisk lets Matt know, like

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff with Bullseye and Foggy, I had not thing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with that. And then Matt issues a warning listen,

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<v Speaker 1>good luck on your mayor one. Uh, good luck on

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<v Speaker 1>basically becoming You're going to become mayor. It seems like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't step out of line though, don't go back to

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<v Speaker 1>your old stuff, or I'll be there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So great line, because he's like, I believe in the

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<v Speaker 3>second chances because that's how I was raised.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he's like, and I also believe attribution.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>Matt, you're such a drama queen, just like chill out, no,

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why we love.

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<v Speaker 1>Him, and Fisk is like, okay, is that mad or

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<v Speaker 1>Daredevil who's talking to me? And Fisk says, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's my warning to you. Stay in your lane, do

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<v Speaker 1>the lawyer shit. That's great, but don't put the suit

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<v Speaker 1>back on, because I promise I will crack down on you,

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<v Speaker 1>as I have promised to do publicly, most recently.

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<v Speaker 2>At this debate.

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<v Speaker 1>And Matt's like, yeah, I'm not going to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>and Fisk makes a what I think is basically the ideological.

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<v Speaker 2>Croux of this series.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, I love a man who rises above his

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<v Speaker 1>nature about Matt, but yeah, I think this is also

0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:09.600
<v Speaker 1>about himself. Clearly, Ken Fisk goes straight and can Matt

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<v Speaker 1>not put on the suit? Like that is the question

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<v Speaker 1>of this entire series.

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<v Speaker 3>I also love that the way Dinofrio, who we all

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<v Speaker 3>know I'm a huge Dinofrio stan.

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<v Speaker 2>I love him. I watch Criminal Intent all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>He's amazing, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Only person to play both Thour and Kingpin in his

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<v Speaker 1>well not great adventures, and Baby saying yeah, well I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not really Thor, but they you know, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of thought I thought he was Thord.

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<v Speaker 3>I was a kid, but yeah, Like I love the

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<v Speaker 3>way he delivers this line, because there is so much

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<v Speaker 3>in it where you can tell he means it, like

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<v Speaker 3>he does love a man who rises, but who can

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<v Speaker 3>rise above his nature. But he also doesn't you can

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<v Speaker 3>tell he doesn't believe that either for them can do it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's like a cynicism and a sarcasm to the delivery

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<v Speaker 3>that's so powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the crux of this series and will come

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<v Speaker 3>into the first two episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he always do. I think he thinks he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, yeah, I'm I'm rising above. See if you

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<v Speaker 1>can do it. So madd and Heather go on a date,

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:12.440
<v Speaker 1>and on the date, Matt hears that Fisk has has won.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he feels like you can see people celebrating

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:16.000
<v Speaker 2>in the street.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people are. People are celebrating. Which is the which

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<v Speaker 1>is the one nobody celebrates the mayor electric New.

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<v Speaker 2>York anyway, I think. But I think what they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to I think they're trying.

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<v Speaker 3>To let you know, how in day of New York

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<v Speaker 3>right now, this populist idea of like we we can

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<v Speaker 3>blame everything on superheroes and this guy was a crook.

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<v Speaker 3>But now isn't like he is going to take over

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<v Speaker 3>and people just want to celebrate about anything. And there's

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<v Speaker 3>a great moment here because Matt, by the way, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not doing a good job at hiding this ship

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<v Speaker 3>from Heather because he here's in the middle of the street.

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<v Speaker 2>The fisk won just and then he's like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>heard a TV in a bar. I heard believe She's like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>he does this. There's this really great moment that does

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<v Speaker 2>sum up why ladies love Matt Murdock.

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<v Speaker 3>Where there's a huge rush of a crowd and he

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<v Speaker 3>thinks that there's something wrong, so he just lifts her

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<v Speaker 3>onto a step like immediately, and it's very like romantic

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<v Speaker 3>and protective. But he's not doing a good job at

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<v Speaker 3>hiding this from Heather. And if you've read the comics,

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<v Speaker 3>we talked about the Glen in the lead up to this.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's hope that her fate changes from from the comics.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope. So at HQ, it's a party, Vanessa is

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<v Speaker 1>very proud of Wilson. They go to the roof to talk.

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:33.880
<v Speaker 1>He tells her that he knows that she had messed

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<v Speaker 1>around with a guy named Adam.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the guest, right, it's like unless My other question

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<v Speaker 3>was like did they secretly have a kid, which I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, but I don't think so, because she says,

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<v Speaker 3>don't kill him and he says, I promise I won't.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was an affair. Yeah, I think so too.

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:58.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean he was gone, yes, she's just had a relationship. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>give me a break.

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<v Speaker 1>So, uh, Vanessa does ask Fisk, like, don't kill him,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Fisk is like, I'm not that guy anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>The same thing Dad Evil said to Karen. I love

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<v Speaker 2>this duality. Great, great writing on this first episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt and Heather kiss is a major chemistry again, which

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<v Speaker 1>I love. The streets are celebrating and we watch someone

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<v Speaker 1>probably Muse, painting a mural of Fisk as both Kingpin

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<v Speaker 1>and Mayor, which is interesting. Muse probably the villain that

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna see later.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they had been talking about how these murals

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 3>had been popping up. I also will say I had

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<v Speaker 3>been worried because in the Dead of a Born Again

0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:43.480
<v Speaker 3>trailer that was kind of this weird It was like

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:45.880
<v Speaker 3>a Punisher logo where it's a triggered and.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Okay, I don't know if they've got

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<v Speaker 2>the chops for this.

0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 3>But if they're bringing mus in and that's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be part of a villain a storyline, that is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be so interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say this, I think they have the chops.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they have the chops.

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<v Speaker 1>I like what they're doing with with the Punisher logo

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 1>and the different kind of resonance it's taken on in

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:09.920
<v Speaker 1>the world all that stuff. As that Matt is walking home,

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:12.960
<v Speaker 1>he hears like a crime taking place and assault and

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 1>will he suit up? He doesn't, He just he.

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<v Speaker 3>Just stabs there as a red light flashes on his

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<v Speaker 3>face and Wilson Fisk is getting this kind of bright

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:26.879
<v Speaker 3>white I have to say I was impressed as well.

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 3>We complained about how the first you know, three seasons

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:31.960
<v Speaker 3>of Dead Levil they have a little bit of fat

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 3>to them. I didn't feel like this episode, how do

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.439
<v Speaker 3>they fat? But what I loved about the end of

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.680
<v Speaker 3>this episode was like they have like that's like a

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:43.400
<v Speaker 3>minute long silent sequence where it's Wilson Fisk and there's

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:45.800
<v Speaker 3>this white light on him, kind of reminding you of

0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 3>his Kingpin suit and Matt with this red light flashing

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 3>on and off his face and just these two men

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<v Speaker 3>on the cusp of making a decision about the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of their lives and kind of how it will shape

0:27:57.840 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 3>New York.

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<v Speaker 2>What like what a first episode? Just I agree, so

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<v Speaker 2>so good.

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like they both want to stay out of each

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<v Speaker 1>other's way, and they both want to not be in

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 1>conflict with each other.

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:13.200
<v Speaker 2>But it's also so very clear.

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 1>That, like like magnets, they are just going to end

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:18.919
<v Speaker 1>up on a collision course and there's almost nothing they

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 1>can do about it because of the natures of these

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 1>two men. And let's take a quick break and come

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<v Speaker 1>back and recap episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Two, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>Episode two, Mayor Fisk makes his first address to the city.

0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Matt is listening at home. Fisk, you know, basically goes

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:55.440
<v Speaker 1>off about vigilantes, the Punisher, Spider Man, White Tiger, everybody.

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 1>He promises, rule of law. We're cracking down on these

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<v Speaker 1>vigil antes. In the subway later that night, we see

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<v Speaker 1>a man named Hector Ayala who's carrying some flowers for

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<v Speaker 1>his partner. He is the White Tiger, but this is

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 1>in street clothes. Yes, he sees a mugging taking place.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes and breaks it up. One of the muggers

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<v Speaker 1>gets run over by a train, and that's when the

0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 1>other mugger pulls a gun and a badge on Hector.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when we learned that these guys mugging this guy

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<v Speaker 1>were cumps.

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<v Speaker 2>We victim, am I doing something bad? Illegal? I can't

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<v Speaker 2>believe that.

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<v Speaker 1>The victim, by the way, has ran away and Hector

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<v Speaker 1>is under arrest. Fisk's first day on the job, Sheila,

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 1>his campaign manager's laying out his schedule. Now chief of

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 1>staff is laying out his schedule. Fisk has this wonderful

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 1>little monologue about the desk that he's sitting at. Did

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 1>fear did Mayor Laguaria sit at this?

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Ask?

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<v Speaker 1>Who else sat at this desk? We also see that

0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 1>his knuckles have been bruised, so he's been punching something.

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Sheila keeps Fisk on track about all the meetings he

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>has to do, which he kind of doesn't want to do,

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 1>but she's like, this is important because a lot of

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:12.560
<v Speaker 1>your constituents hate and distrust you, so you have to

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<v Speaker 1>go and shake hands right now and make people feel

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<v Speaker 1>like this is all normal.

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<v Speaker 3>I also felt this was when I started to realize

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<v Speaker 3>that they have the chops right, because there are just

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 3>little I love the first episode, great first episode of

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 3>the Devil, but there are little choices here, like this

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 3>acknowledgement that really what matters when you're a politician is

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 3>like the first hundred days.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you have to be serious about this.

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 3>And otherwise, like you can probably just coast, but you're

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Wilson Fisk and you need to go and shake hands

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 3>and like kiss babies.

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:49.280
<v Speaker 2>And let people know you're not a bad guy.

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 3>And I just think there's something so honest about it,

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 3>and especially obviously feels very resonant right now. But yeah,

0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 3>I just I started to realize, like there's great writing

0:30:59.440 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 3>on this show.

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but there is a great understanding.

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 3>And I have to say Benson and moorehead just absolutely

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 3>came through because this feels so timely, even though this

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 3>is a show that has been in production for years,

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 3>and that is a skill.

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Shila tells Wilson mayor Fisk that listen, the fact that

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 1>your wife is not like at your side at some

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:24.520
<v Speaker 1>of these events is kind of hurting you with the

0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 1>more traditional voters in New York and so like, can

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 1>we figure out how to include Vanessa Moore and physical

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>is like, well, we're working through some stuff right now.

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 1>So I'll get back to you on that. Matt is

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>at a police is at a police station, like I guess, working,

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, looking into some prospective clients cases or whatever,

0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>and he hears the cops beating up a suspect and

0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>trying to get him to confess. So Matt wanders into

0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>that interview room and finds Hector, and Matt's like, I'm

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:01.240
<v Speaker 1>going to take your case. He asks him, like what happened,

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 1>and Hector tells him what happened, and Matt senses that

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Hector's telling the truth, but also that Hector's like hiding something,

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 1>which is that he's the fucking white tiger. Fisk is

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>very I love this detail because this is very New

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 1>York accurate. Fisk is apparently very popular in Brooklyn and

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Staten Island, which are the most conservative and right wing

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 1>areas of New York. Very Italian, any of the Italian

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>strongholds are very very much like conservative bastions.

0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:36.120
<v Speaker 3>They did a great job with like contemporary segregation in

0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 3>New York, and you're right anywhere with Italians. Also shocking

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 3>to people outside of New York and America because obviously

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 3>Wu Tan comes from Staten Island, so you would just

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 3>never write, but a.

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Very particular area of Staten Island. Yeah, Fisk's like, suv

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>is stuck in traffic because of like a hole in

0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>the street. So Fisk turns this into a whole like

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>press moment where he gets out and he's like.

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 2>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Fill this hole in the construction workers like we're waiting

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 1>for the whatever, the city permit people or whatever. He

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 1>is like, just fucking do it. I'm saying it's okay,

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and just do it. And everybody's like.

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:14.479
<v Speaker 2>Wow, may Or Fisk, he's getting stuffne mad and that

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>he can fix it. Whats it?

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 3>And that is so crazy to me because we are

0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 3>currently in a situation in LA where there are council

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:29.720
<v Speaker 3>members trying to push through unregulated builds for the new Olympics,

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 3>and I when this moment happened, I was just like, Wow,

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 3>they just had the finger on the pulse of like

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:40.240
<v Speaker 3>how politicians perceive getting things done. It's so good, such

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 3>a good moment.

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>When Matt comes back to the office, his law partner

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 1>McDuffie is like, what the fuck you were supposed to do?

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Like a dui and you come back with a murderer

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>and cherry is like, this guy's story is bullshit. He

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 1>killed a cop, like one hundred percent he did it.

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Man is like, well, I think he's telling the truth.

0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 1>And Cherry, you know why you know that. I know

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:03.320
<v Speaker 1>that he is telling the truth. Wink wink wink, because

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 1>you know about me. And everybody's like, well, the n

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 1>webs is going to turn against you because like this

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 1>is a cop killer case and you're going to defend

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:15.799
<v Speaker 1>this guy. And Matt tells Cherry, well, listen, here's what

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 1>we do. Find the guy who ran away, find the

0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 1>mugging victim, and maybe he's the key to all this.

0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:25.759
<v Speaker 1>And then also looking to Hector's he's not telling me

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:27.280
<v Speaker 1>because he's hiding something.

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.360
<v Speaker 3>Matt knows because he's been playing Human Light Attected listening

0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:31.680
<v Speaker 3>to his little heart beating.

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:33.839
<v Speaker 2>But obviously he's hiding something.

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:35.800
<v Speaker 3>We know what it is because we read the comics,

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 3>but Matt currently doesn't.

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Bbe Urick meets with Dan Blake, Blake gets the BB meeting.

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Blake gets BB A meeting with Fisk, and Fisk is like, oh,

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 1>your uncle Ben, Yeah, I knew him. I killed him.

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:56.879
<v Speaker 1>He died at my right hands, great giant murdered. He

0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:00.719
<v Speaker 1>was a great journalist who I murdered myself personally. I

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 1>killed that man at the end of season one of

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 1>Netflix's Daredevil.

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:08.239
<v Speaker 2>Sooner and Karen Page played a big part in that.

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Bibi wants to know why Commissioner Gallo, a very

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 1>popular commissioner of the NYPD, refuses to talk about Fisk.

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Commissioner Gallo is set to leave the job. He is

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:22.879
<v Speaker 1>again very popular with the rank and file. Fisk needs

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 1>the NYPD on his side, which is why he is

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:28.360
<v Speaker 1>so interested in the hector Iala case. He wants to

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:32.480
<v Speaker 1>make the cops happy. And Bibi also wants to know why,

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:34.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, Vanessa is not around, Like what's going on

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:37.320
<v Speaker 1>with Vanessa? And that's when Fisk is like end of interview.

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:37.799
<v Speaker 2>That's it.

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Heather is apparently has is writing a book called has

0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 1>written a book called Live Without Fear, And so she

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>is at her book event and where she announces that

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:55.279
<v Speaker 1>her next book is going to be about vigilantes and

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.760
<v Speaker 1>people wire masks. A fan comes up and asks for help,

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:04.520
<v Speaker 1>who's seems very insistent in a weird way.

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 3>Yes, put a note on that, like a major player coming.

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Up, and then she gives him her card and then

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:16.279
<v Speaker 1>Fisk's assistant, Buck Cashman aka Bullet, comes up to get

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 1>his book signed. Fisk goes to the wake of the

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:25.319
<v Speaker 1>officer who died in the Hector Ayala fight, and he

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 1>goes when it's over, basically to meet with Commissioner Gallo.

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Gallo fucking hates Fisk, knows Fisk is a criminal, doesn't

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 1>believe that his intentions as mayor or benign, and basically

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:36.840
<v Speaker 1>is like, I'm going to make sure that you're the

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:41.560
<v Speaker 1>shortest you have the shortest run as mayor ever in

0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 1>the history of New York. Like I want you out. Okay,

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 1>that's a strong opening statement. Kristen and Cherry meet with

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Hector's wife, Sola Dad. She thinks Hector has no shot

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:57.359
<v Speaker 1>at ever getting out of prison. Cherry is like, let

0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 1>me go get Hector's suit from the bedroom and then

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 1>swoops around and then finds the white tiger suit in

0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 1>the mystical amulet. That's what Hector is hiding at the jail.

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:12.439
<v Speaker 1>Matt is like, mystical Ambula, very happy that that's coming

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 1>into play. I love that it's in it.

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:16.919
<v Speaker 2>At the jail.

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Matt's like, why don't you tell me you're fucking white tiger,

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 1>and Hector's like, well, that was my secret and that's it.

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 3>Like, and also, I wasn't white tiger when I beat

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 3>this guy up.

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 2>I was just a guy. I Ala, yeah, I was

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 2>just a guy.

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Matt is like, from now and you have to tell

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 1>me everything. And also we learned that Hector has been

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 1>going through like he's clearly fighting for his life in right.

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Here and right a little bit, he's beat up a

0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 2>little bit.

0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Gallo comes to see the mare and he's like, I'm resigning.

0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 1>And also, you're gonna have problem with the cops because

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of cops are going to take early retirement

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 1>because they don't want to work for you, and so

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 1>you've got a problem. Fisk then threatens Gallo by showing

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 1>him under which he is hidden under a Hogy sandwich.

0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:01.239
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say to talk about the fact that

0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 2>this is like the way.

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:05.239
<v Speaker 3>Fisk does this is he's eating a cheese steak in

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:08.160
<v Speaker 3>New York. He's talking about the only good cheese steaks

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:11.480
<v Speaker 3>are obviously in Philly, and he's talking about who's our

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:14.920
<v Speaker 3>favorite cheese steak, and Buck is like Ginos and then

0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:18.359
<v Speaker 3>he's like, well, actually I like this one by King

0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:21.439
<v Speaker 3>of Prussia called DeAngelo's. And as soon as he says that,

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 3>you realize that he's threatening, Gallows saying, I know you

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:28.520
<v Speaker 3>have something that So he shows him a picture and

0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:30.359
<v Speaker 3>he shows him of his little secret son.

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Probably what I get.

0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 1>The way he was talking about it was like, this

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.319
<v Speaker 1>is a secret son, I guess with his mistress. Well,

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 1>I think generally they threatening their lives.

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was basically just like, I'm going to kill

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:41.720
<v Speaker 2>this person.

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so don't don't even try it, and so Fisk says,

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:52.839
<v Speaker 1>so here's your options. You can leave, and then I'm

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 1>threatening your family. And also no, here's what happens to

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 1>the cops. They get no pay rises, they get no

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:03.160
<v Speaker 1>additional overtime, and no expanded cadet class unless you stay on.

0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Do we have an agreement? And Galla decides okay, I'll

0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 2>stay on.

0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:10.879
<v Speaker 1>Matt and Ben Hockberg, the Hawk who is the prosecutor

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 1>in the Iola case, discuss the case with Matt, where

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Matt basically says, listen, my client is white tiger, but

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:20.880
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't wearing a mystical amulet and he wasn't in

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 1>his suit. Therefore, yeah, no, we cannot disclose the information

0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:29.760
<v Speaker 1>that he was white tiger because it would prejudice the jury.

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:32.399
<v Speaker 1>It's not involved in this. And the judge is like, okay, fine,

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:33.720
<v Speaker 1>no mention a way, say.

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:38.360
<v Speaker 3>Rag good lawyering for Mattam By the way, guys, we rally,

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:41.080
<v Speaker 3>we rally get to see him doing some good lawyering.

0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:43.760
<v Speaker 3>But this is actually good lawyering. And the judge agrees,

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 3>he's correct to agree. Yeah, and you're like, wow, maybe

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 3>Matt really is going to make a difference as a

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 3>lawyer in this town.

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he is. Maybe he was never need to be

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 2>that of all.

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Again, Cherry tells Matt that he can't find the witness

0:39:57.360 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and also that he thinks Matt is too close to

0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 1>this case because it's a case of out of vigilante

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 1>and you know Matt what's going.

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 3>Cherry knows because he saw him take off his mosque

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 3>after he tried to kill Benjamin poindex The aka Bullseye.

0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Matt uh follows one of the cops who is beating

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 1>up Hector and follows him to his house. And we

0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:30.040
<v Speaker 1>also see during this kind of like intercut series of

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 1>scenes that Buck Cashman has is at Heather's office to

0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:40.359
<v Speaker 1>introduce her to her new clients, mister Fisk mat full

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:43.400
<v Speaker 1>right to start working with Wilson and Vanessa because they

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:47.879
<v Speaker 1>need to go through their issues. Meanwhile, Matt hears from

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 1>the street, here's the the dirty cop planning to kill

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:56.959
<v Speaker 1>this witness, the the mugging victim who fled, and they

0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 1>know where he's at and they're heading there now. Matt

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.600
<v Speaker 1>calls Cherry to tell him what's going on. He arrives

0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 1>at the apartment telling the guy Nikki that listen, the

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 1>cops are coming right now to kill you. They want

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:09.480
<v Speaker 1>to rub you out for because of whatever you're involved in.

0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:13.880
<v Speaker 1>He's like, go flee down the fire escape because he

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.960
<v Speaker 1>can hear that. He can hear them rushing up, and

0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 1>the cops come to the door. Matt lets them in

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, Hi, I know you were trying to

0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:23.080
<v Speaker 1>see Nikki, but guess what, I'm here.

0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm his lawyer, and he's not here. The cops have

0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:29.880
<v Speaker 2>punish your tattoos, which is.

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 1>Very in a lot of ways, and they're like, oh, yeah, well,

0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:37.040
<v Speaker 1>well watch this and they start beating the ship out

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:39.440
<v Speaker 1>of Matt. And then one of the cops is like,

0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:41.879
<v Speaker 1>let's fucking just kill this guy. And the other one

0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 1>is like, yeah, but he's a lawyer. He's like, nah,

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 1>just do it.

0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't please the dove do this because you don't

0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 2>want to.

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 1>And then Matt goes absolutely fucking nuclear and absolutely murks

0:41:54.680 --> 0:42:01.880
<v Speaker 1>these fucking yeah, like, I'm guys are knapping arms in souallyes.

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:07.600
<v Speaker 1>This guy in the kitchens, these guys have traumatic brain injury.

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Like sorry to Nicky, but when you come back to

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:13.680
<v Speaker 1>your apartment, you're gonna find a crying Catholic man and

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 1>two fucked up.

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Cops and it's gonna be good for you. I'm like,

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:20.160
<v Speaker 2>these men, I would be survived. I would be surprised

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 2>if they survived. I also found the Punisher Tato's thing

0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:27.400
<v Speaker 2>really interesting because I feel like, even though this is

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:29.440
<v Speaker 2>more of a from what we know about, this is

0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:32.239
<v Speaker 2>more of an LA problem, but like it feels like

0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:35.880
<v Speaker 2>the show is gonna touch on like police gangs or

0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:37.320
<v Speaker 2>sheriff gangs.

0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 3>Like we have had, you know, exposed recently in the

0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:42.960
<v Speaker 3>well in the last decade in LA. But obviously with

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:46.280
<v Speaker 3>this twist of the Punisher, which we know that logo

0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:49.680
<v Speaker 3>in real life has been taken and repurposed as an

0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:52.759
<v Speaker 3>image for cops and I just thought that this scene

0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 3>was like so so good, and then of course the

0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 3>end of the scene, which really sells it.

0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:01.920
<v Speaker 2>It. Matt It's just so fucking.

0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:04.360
<v Speaker 3>Angry that he had to do this, Like he doesn't

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:07.480
<v Speaker 3>want to be Daredevil. He's made this promise we get

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 3>what Aaron normal, you know, basically predicted correctly. It was

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:15.840
<v Speaker 3>almost like an Anakin no, and we are probably going

0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 3>to get one of those in this series. I mean, wow,

0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:21.839
<v Speaker 3>what what a first couple of episodes.

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Let's sick a break and then come back for our

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:28.359
<v Speaker 1>quick thoughts on the first two episodes of Dared obil

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Bourne and we are back. I think two very strong episodes,

0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:54.680
<v Speaker 1>and it's clear that what the idea is is to

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:58.600
<v Speaker 1>take the stuff that worked, the violence, the action, the

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:05.160
<v Speaker 1>wonderful work of of Charlie Cox as Matthew Murdoch, Vincent

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Genofrio as Wilson Fisk, and then give them the dramatic scenes,

0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:16.720
<v Speaker 1>the writing, the character development around that to really almost

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:20.520
<v Speaker 1>elevate this to to attempt to elevate it almost to

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 1>like a prestige drama, like like what we've seen with

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:27.839
<v Speaker 1>the Penguin. Essentially, this is like answer to the Pengin.

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:28.960
<v Speaker 2>A feeling like that.

0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:32.080
<v Speaker 3>I think that it is more akin to the Penguin

0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:35.799
<v Speaker 3>because of the surprising choices they're making and the interesting

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 3>no plot armor for certain characters.

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:41.600
<v Speaker 2>This show is letting you know anything.

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:43.759
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't I mean, I couldn't believe it when they.

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Have to say, guys, look, I was actually kind of

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:51.759
<v Speaker 2>like no. I was just enjoying his aircut.

0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 3>And and also everybody you know was happy to see

0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 3>the trio brought back together. But I gotta say, guys,

0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:01.120
<v Speaker 3>it was Karen or Foggy, and they need to fix

0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 3>Karen from the first three seasons, so you know what.

0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:06.560
<v Speaker 3>It's occasionally a man must die, a man must be fridged,

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:08.799
<v Speaker 3>and this time it was Foggy ipe.

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:09.120
<v Speaker 2>To that man.

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:13.719
<v Speaker 3>But I love that they are not afraid to just

0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 3>absolutely shake things up. I also am very interested because

0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:24.319
<v Speaker 3>I think the courtroom aspect and the potential of that

0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:26.160
<v Speaker 3>as it is in the comics is some of my

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:26.960
<v Speaker 3>favorite stuff.

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:29.400
<v Speaker 2>So I was kind of worried when they said, well.

0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 3>The first show had too much courtroom and not enough

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:37.800
<v Speaker 3>dared Evil. And actually, I feel like the this blend

0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 3>of the two is working really well. I'm excited, you know,

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:44.080
<v Speaker 3>We were talking Jason before about you know you you

0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:47.840
<v Speaker 3>keenly spotted that the Hector Ayala stuff is very Brian

0:45:47.880 --> 0:45:50.840
<v Speaker 3>Michael bendis like they're deftly taking that stuff from the comics.

0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Obviously we have like Kristin McDuffie, she is from the

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:58.080
<v Speaker 3>Mark Wade Palla Rivera stuff like they're taking from.

0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 2>There's obviously some Charles saul In here as well.

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:03.520
<v Speaker 3>They're really taken from the best of Dead level and

0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:06.960
<v Speaker 3>in the thanks there are thanks to many many creators,

0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:11.160
<v Speaker 3>including Annie Nascenti in the second episode. We get so

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:14.799
<v Speaker 3>many polls from the comics here in a way that

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:18.239
<v Speaker 3>doesn't feel distracting or you know, as somebody who I

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:21.799
<v Speaker 3>know guys, I'm aware of my role in the Easter eggification.

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:23.680
<v Speaker 3>I love to find an Easter egg. It was my

0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:25.839
<v Speaker 3>job for many years to find an Easter egg. But

0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:29.400
<v Speaker 3>these don't feel like random Easter eggs. This is a

0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:31.560
<v Speaker 3>show that, like you said, is response. It feels like

0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:34.279
<v Speaker 3>a response to the penguin of Oh, we see that

0:46:34.400 --> 0:46:36.279
<v Speaker 3>you can make an Emmy winning show. And we know

0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:38.760
<v Speaker 3>Disney has you know, Disney has been in the awards

0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:43.760
<v Speaker 3>contention occasionally for Wonder Vision, for and Or. They're obviously

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 3>going big for and Or this year to get it

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:50.200
<v Speaker 3>into awards contention. But this feels like a really great

0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:53.840
<v Speaker 3>blend of what macOS does well. And I have to say,

0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:57.120
<v Speaker 3>I love you know, I love wonder vision that's up

0:46:57.120 --> 0:46:59.399
<v Speaker 3>there for me. But I will say those first three

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:01.719
<v Speaker 3>episodes of Division that they dropped if you were not

0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 3>an emcuviewer, they were quite inexplicable until you got further

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:09.759
<v Speaker 3>in and understood a little bit more about what.

0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:10.840
<v Speaker 2>Was going on.

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:13.000
<v Speaker 3>And I did have even though there was a lot

0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 3>of great TV references and kind of it was quite abstract.

0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:20.120
<v Speaker 3>I think that this might be the best, or is

0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:22.839
<v Speaker 3>up there with the best of the first two episodes

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:24.360
<v Speaker 3>of an MCU show.

0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:26.880
<v Speaker 1>I think the reason that the courtroom stuff felt like

0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 1>it dragged in the Daredevil Netflix series is because it

0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:33.520
<v Speaker 1>was I'm not saying the writing was bad on the

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Daredevil Netflix series, but through two episodes, the average writing

0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 1>level is better. Like they've really taken their time to

0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:48.680
<v Speaker 1>make stuff feel both real world and possible in the

0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:53.320
<v Speaker 1>comic context as well. They've grappled, I think really well

0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:56.040
<v Speaker 1>with the idea that New York is a real place

0:47:56.120 --> 0:48:00.720
<v Speaker 1>with real people who live in it, who are dealing with, uh,

0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:05.879
<v Speaker 1>crazy things happening, chaotic things happening all the time, Vigilantes

0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 1>fighting in the streets, superhero battles, destroying buildings, alien invasions.

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Et cetera.

0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Like there's a moment where, uh, Matt, when Matt is

0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:17.239
<v Speaker 1>arguing that the White Tiger evidence should be kept out

0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:20.600
<v Speaker 1>of the trial, and he says, listen, he wasn't wearing

0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:25.480
<v Speaker 1>his mystical amulet, and Hackburg like rolls his eyes and

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:27.880
<v Speaker 1>makes like this gesture like his fucking mystic Are you

0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:29.480
<v Speaker 1>serious with the mystical Amulya?

0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:34.200
<v Speaker 2>And I loved that because because they're like, I'm sick of.

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.560
<v Speaker 1>This ship, Like I'm sick of this ship, and they're

0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 1>just playing, and they're playing it so straight, like to

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 1>just have a regular lawyer be like, well, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>wearing his mystical amulet, judge. That's the kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that the previous the Netflix stuff didn't deal with. It

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<v Speaker 1>was very, very separate, very you knew that this was

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<v Speaker 1>a post Battle of New York World, but like none

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<v Speaker 1>of that's other than knowing that it happened and seeing

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<v Speaker 1>like some pressings of the fact that it happened. You

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get the sense that it it impacted people or

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<v Speaker 1>the people felt a type of way about it, whereas

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<v Speaker 1>now with the BB Report intercuts and like that little

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<v Speaker 1>moment with the Hawk where he's like rolling his eyes

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<v Speaker 1>at Mistglama, like all of that stuff is letting is

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<v Speaker 1>like that classic Marvel Comics thing of real people dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with insane, wild sci fi fantasy circumstances. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>elevating that to basically like Prestige TV is what the

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<v Speaker 1>show is trying to do. And I think through two episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>has done successfully.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so too.

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<v Speaker 3>And I also think that now there is a non

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<v Speaker 3>zero chance that we actually will get shee Halt or

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<v Speaker 3>maybe more likely Jen, because I have to say I

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<v Speaker 3>did not expect references to Echo. I did not think that.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought they were going to use this not to

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<v Speaker 3>soft recon. I love Echo, we all know that. I

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<v Speaker 3>think she's fantastic. I love the actress who brings that

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<v Speaker 3>to life. I love it disabled superhero, that's my jam.

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<v Speaker 3>But I wasn't one hundred percent sure if they were

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<v Speaker 3>gonna kind of even reference it. And I loved how

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<v Speaker 3>casually they did it. I loved how much fun there

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<v Speaker 3>was in that kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of like kids, what do you do with them? I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that was hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>I also liked how it kind of leaned into the

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<v Speaker 3>acknowledgement that there is a younger class of heroes coming up,

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<v Speaker 3>both heroes and anti heroes. And I think that the

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<v Speaker 3>mention of the Mystical Amulet is very sheehowk Like we

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<v Speaker 3>are in a world where Shee Hulk was introducing mutants

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<v Speaker 3>and like completely random deep cup characters. She's breaking the

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<v Speaker 3>fourth wall. I love how this is kind of comboing

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<v Speaker 3>all of this. Also, I did find it very interesting

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<v Speaker 3>that they, you know, red Hook is such a key

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<v Speaker 3>location here obviously like a real New York location, but

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<v Speaker 3>it does have like after people found out Steve Rodgers

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<v Speaker 3>was Captain America when he revealed that his civilian identity,

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<v Speaker 3>like that's where he went to live, Like there are

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<v Speaker 3>big Marvel connotations in Red Hook too, So I feel

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<v Speaker 3>it they're doing a good job again of balancing the reality,

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<v Speaker 3>but also the kind of moments like X Men ninety

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<v Speaker 3>six from the bloom In seventy five, that's the first

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<v Speaker 3>place that they ever mentioned Red Hook in the MCU.

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<v Speaker 2>Hydra had a base in Red Hook.

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<v Speaker 3>During like that, and I just think it's cool that

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<v Speaker 3>they're kind of they're managing to balance again the reality

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<v Speaker 3>of New York, but along with the hints of what

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<v Speaker 3>could come from.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we'll do I'll do an omnibus. If they continue

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<v Speaker 1>to be Red Hook stuff in here, we'll do it.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be about brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's a It is an interesting area of New

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<v Speaker 1>York that is always kind of like left out of

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<v Speaker 1>People have been trying to develop it. Cruise ships do

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<v Speaker 1>dock there now, but because of the geography and the

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<v Speaker 1>way it kind of spits out into the into the bay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not serviced easily by mass transit, and so it

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<v Speaker 1>is this kind of like out of the way, different

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<v Speaker 1>place where a diverse crew of people live there, including artists,

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<v Speaker 1>including just regular working class folks. So it's an interesting place.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about it maybe later.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I love that. Also.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm going to ask you as if I am

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<v Speaker 3>to be Eric as a New Yorker, how did you

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<v Speaker 3>feel about the New York representation within this show.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was good. I thought it felt you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the BB Report is like something that you would see

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<v Speaker 1>on a screen in the back of a cab or

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<v Speaker 1>like on New York One, which is like the local

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<v Speaker 1>cable news channel, and it felt very real to me,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I thought that was one of the strongest storytelling

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<v Speaker 1>choices that they made here, So I'm excited. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to continue to cover dared Evil Born Again on a

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<v Speaker 1>week to week basis in the next few episodes of

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<v Speaker 1>X ray Vision were of course also diving into bomju

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<v Speaker 1>Hun's Bomb who Knows latest film Mickey seventeen, And of

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<v Speaker 1>course our continuing coverage of Severance will roll on with

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<v Speaker 1>episodes episode two A Weight of Severance.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening, Bye.

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<v Speaker 1>X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie

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<v Speaker 1>Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 2>Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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<v Speaker 3>Our producers are Common Laurent, Dean Jonathan and Bay Wag.

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<v Speaker 1>Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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<v Speaker 1>songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 3>Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and

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<v Speaker 3>Heidi Our discord moderate though