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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode canad spoilers for the first two episodes

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Speaker 1: of Daredevil Born Again be warned.

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Speaker 2: Hello and nam is Jason Tepsi.

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Speaker 1: Owed he I'm Mosey Night and welcome back to X Revision,

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we dive into your favorite shows, movies,

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Speaker 1: comics of pop culture. Coming from IRAW podcast where we'll

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Speaker 1: bring you three episodes a week Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, plus

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Speaker 1: news on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: And in today's episode, we've been waiting for it. We've

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Speaker 3: been prepping for it.

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Speaker 2: It's the first two episodes of Dad Evil Born Again,

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Speaker 2: Episodes one and two, and oh my goodness, what episodes

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Speaker 2: they are.

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Speaker 3: What's Wilson Fisk been up to? What's Matt doing? How's

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Speaker 3: Old folk Worth, How's Old Foggy folk Worth? How's Karen?

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Speaker 3: Who's Hector Ryalla.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be on all these questions and more and

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Speaker 2: generally freaking out.

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Speaker 3: And before we get to that, thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for the great response to our first book club episode.

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Speaker 3: It was wonderful to see everyone reading along and get

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Speaker 3: such great feedback. Our next book club title is a

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Speaker 3: short story from the Ted Chang Excellations collection, and it's

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Speaker 3: called The Magicians and the Alchemist's Gate and it is

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Speaker 3: just absolutely wonderful. And as one of our discord members

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Speaker 3: pointed out, there is a lover a Lovar Burton podcast.

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Speaker 2: Where you can listen to him reading the story.

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Speaker 3: So if you want to experience it that way, go

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Speaker 3: for it, and make sure to read and join our

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Speaker 3: discord so you can join in with a book club chat.

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Speaker 1: But next episodes one and two of Daredevil Board Again. Okay,

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Speaker 1: episode one of Daredevil Born Again. We open in Hell's kitchen.

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Speaker 1: It's been some years since we last saw our friends,

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Speaker 1: and they look great. They look out, they look.

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Speaker 1: They are leaving Nelson Murdock and Page Fogg. He's got

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Speaker 1: We discover that there's kind of a crisis of personnel

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Speaker 1: power over at the NYPD. We're a large percentage of

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Speaker 1: the forces set to retire soon and they are currently

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Speaker 1: heading to a retirement party for Detective Cherry at a

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Speaker 1: We also learned that vigilantes are very hot at the moment,

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Speaker 2: But Matt's trying to be like, we should keep it friends.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but there's definitely but it's that it

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Speaker 3: It is such a great opening to this episode. But

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Speaker 2: My sweet assassin son. Never know. He's a terrible, terrible, terrible,

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Speaker 1: Foggy Shockingly, Foggy is gone. He's gone the first eight

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Speaker 1: and we go right and see the opening credits.

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Speaker 3: Fast new opening credits, new marble kind of characters.

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Speaker 1: One year later, New York City is in the midst

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Speaker 1: By the way, there's the famous painting by Ilia Repin

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Speaker 1: We see some video footage from the bb Report, which

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Speaker 1: Only person to play both Thour and Kingpin in his

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00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: well not great adventures, and Baby saying yeah, well I'm

438
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: not really Thor, but they you know, he.

439
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: Kind of thought I thought he was Thord.

440
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 3: I was a kid, but yeah, Like I love the

441
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 3: way he delivers this line, because there is so much

442
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: in it where you can tell he means it, like

443
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: he does love a man who rises, but who can

444
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 3: rise above his nature. But he also doesn't you can

445
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: tell he doesn't believe that either for them can do it.

446
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 3: There's like a cynicism and a sarcasm to the delivery

447
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 3: that's so powerful.

448
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: But you're absolutely right.

449
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 3: That is the crux of this series and will come

450
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 3: into the first two episodes.

451
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: I think he always do. I think he thinks he's

452
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: doing it right now.

453
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I'm I'm rising above. See if you

454
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: can do it. So madd and Heather go on a date,

455
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: and on the date, Matt hears that Fisk has has won.

456
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he feels like you can see people celebrating

457
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: in the street.

458
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are. People are celebrating. Which is the which

459
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: is the one nobody celebrates the mayor electric New.

460
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: York anyway, I think. But I think what they're trying

461
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 2: to I think they're trying.

462
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 3: To let you know, how in day of New York

463
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 3: right now, this populist idea of like we we can

464
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 3: blame everything on superheroes and this guy was a crook.

465
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: But now isn't like he is going to take over

466
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 3: and people just want to celebrate about anything. And there's

467
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: a great moment here because Matt, by the way, I'm sorry,

468
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 3: you're not doing a good job at hiding this ship

469
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 3: from Heather because he here's in the middle of the street.

470
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Speaker 2: The fisk won just and then he's like, oh, I

471
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 2: heard a TV in a bar. I heard believe She's like, wait,

472
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: he does this. There's this really great moment that does

473
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: sum up why ladies love Matt Murdock.

474
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 3: Where there's a huge rush of a crowd and he

475
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 3: thinks that there's something wrong, so he just lifts her

476
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 3: onto a step like immediately, and it's very like romantic

477
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 3: and protective. But he's not doing a good job at

478
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 3: hiding this from Heather. And if you've read the comics,

479
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 3: we talked about the Glen in the lead up to this.

480
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: So let's hope that her fate changes from from the comics.

481
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: I hope. So at HQ, it's a party, Vanessa is

482
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: very proud of Wilson. They go to the roof to talk.

483
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 1: He tells her that he knows that she had messed

484
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: around with a guy named Adam.

485
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 3: That's the guest, right, it's like unless My other question

486
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 3: was like did they secretly have a kid, which I

487
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: was like, but I don't think so, because she says,

488
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: don't kill him and he says, I promise I won't.

489
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: I think it was an affair. Yeah, I think so too.

490
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 2: I mean he was gone, yes, she's just had a relationship. Yeah,

491
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:58,959
Speaker 2: give me a break.

492
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: So, uh, Vanessa does ask Fisk, like, don't kill him,

493
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: and then Fisk is like, I'm not that guy anymore.

494
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: The same thing Dad Evil said to Karen. I love

495
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 2: this duality. Great, great writing on this first episode.

496
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: Matt and Heather kiss is a major chemistry again, which

497
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: I love. The streets are celebrating and we watch someone

498
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: probably Muse, painting a mural of Fisk as both Kingpin

499
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: and Mayor, which is interesting. Muse probably the villain that

500
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna see later.

501
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they had been talking about how these murals

502
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: had been popping up. I also will say I had

503
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: been worried because in the Dead of a Born Again

504
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 3: trailer that was kind of this weird It was like

505
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 3: a Punisher logo where it's a triggered and.

506
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I don't know if they've got

507
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: the chops for this.

508
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: But if they're bringing mus in and that's going to

509
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 3: be part of a villain a storyline, that is going

510
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: to be so interesting.

511
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I think they have the chops.

512
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 2: I think they have the chops.

513
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: I like what they're doing with with the Punisher logo

514
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: and the different kind of resonance it's taken on in

515
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: the world all that stuff. As that Matt is walking home,

516
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: he hears like a crime taking place and assault and

517
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: will he suit up? He doesn't, He just he.

518
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: Just stabs there as a red light flashes on his

519
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: face and Wilson Fisk is getting this kind of bright

520
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: white I have to say I was impressed as well.

521
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: We complained about how the first you know, three seasons

522
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: of Dead Levil they have a little bit of fat

523
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 3: to them. I didn't feel like this episode, how do

524
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 3: they fat? But what I loved about the end of

525
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 3: this episode was like they have like that's like a

526
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 3: minute long silent sequence where it's Wilson Fisk and there's

527
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: this white light on him, kind of reminding you of

528
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 3: his Kingpin suit and Matt with this red light flashing

529
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: on and off his face and just these two men

530
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: on the cusp of making a decision about the rest

531
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: of their lives and kind of how it will shape

532
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: New York.

533
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: What like what a first episode? Just I agree, so

534
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: so good.

535
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: It's like they both want to stay out of each

536
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: other's way, and they both want to not be in

537
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: conflict with each other.

538
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: But it's also so very clear.

539
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: That, like like magnets, they are just going to end

540
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: up on a collision course and there's almost nothing they

541
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: can do about it because of the natures of these

542
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: two men. And let's take a quick break and come

543
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: back and recap episode.

544
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: Two, and we're back.

545
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: Episode two, Mayor Fisk makes his first address to the city.

546
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: Matt is listening at home. Fisk, you know, basically goes

547
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: off about vigilantes, the Punisher, Spider Man, White Tiger, everybody.

548
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: He promises, rule of law. We're cracking down on these

549
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: vigil antes. In the subway later that night, we see

550
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: a man named Hector Ayala who's carrying some flowers for

551
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: his partner. He is the White Tiger, but this is

552
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: in street clothes. Yes, he sees a mugging taking place.

553
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: He goes and breaks it up. One of the muggers

554
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: gets run over by a train, and that's when the

555
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: other mugger pulls a gun and a badge on Hector.

556
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: That's when we learned that these guys mugging this guy

557
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: were cumps.

558
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: We victim, am I doing something bad? Illegal? I can't

559
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: believe that.

560
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: The victim, by the way, has ran away and Hector

561
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: is under arrest. Fisk's first day on the job, Sheila,

562
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: his campaign manager's laying out his schedule. Now chief of

563
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: staff is laying out his schedule. Fisk has this wonderful

564
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: little monologue about the desk that he's sitting at. Did

565
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: fear did Mayor Laguaria sit at this?

566
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: Ask?

567
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: Who else sat at this desk? We also see that

568
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: his knuckles have been bruised, so he's been punching something.

569
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: Sheila keeps Fisk on track about all the meetings he

570
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: has to do, which he kind of doesn't want to do,

571
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: but she's like, this is important because a lot of

572
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: your constituents hate and distrust you, so you have to

573
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: go and shake hands right now and make people feel

574
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: like this is all normal.

575
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: I also felt this was when I started to realize

576
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: that they have the chops right, because there are just

577
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: little I love the first episode, great first episode of

578
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: the Devil, but there are little choices here, like this

579
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: acknowledgement that really what matters when you're a politician is

580
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: like the first hundred days.

581
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be serious about this.

582
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: And otherwise, like you can probably just coast, but you're

583
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: Wilson Fisk and you need to go and shake hands

584
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: and like kiss babies.

585
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: And let people know you're not a bad guy.

586
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: And I just think there's something so honest about it,

587
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 3: and especially obviously feels very resonant right now. But yeah,

588
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: I just I started to realize, like there's great writing

589
00:30:59,440 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: on this show.

590
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there is a great understanding.

591
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: And I have to say Benson and moorehead just absolutely

592
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: came through because this feels so timely, even though this

593
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: is a show that has been in production for years,

594
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: and that is a skill.

595
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: Shila tells Wilson mayor Fisk that listen, the fact that

596
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: your wife is not like at your side at some

597
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: of these events is kind of hurting you with the

598
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: more traditional voters in New York and so like, can

599
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: we figure out how to include Vanessa Moore and physical

600
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: is like, well, we're working through some stuff right now.

601
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: So I'll get back to you on that. Matt is

602
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: at a police is at a police station, like I guess, working,

603
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, looking into some prospective clients cases or whatever,

604
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: and he hears the cops beating up a suspect and

605
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: trying to get him to confess. So Matt wanders into

606
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: that interview room and finds Hector, and Matt's like, I'm

607
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: going to take your case. He asks him, like what happened,

608
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: and Hector tells him what happened, and Matt senses that

609
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: Hector's telling the truth, but also that Hector's like hiding something,

610
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: which is that he's the fucking white tiger. Fisk is

611
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: very I love this detail because this is very New

612
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: York accurate. Fisk is apparently very popular in Brooklyn and

613
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: Staten Island, which are the most conservative and right wing

614
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: areas of New York. Very Italian, any of the Italian

615
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: strongholds are very very much like conservative bastions.

616
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: They did a great job with like contemporary segregation in

617
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: New York, and you're right anywhere with Italians. Also shocking

618
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: to people outside of New York and America because obviously

619
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: Wu Tan comes from Staten Island, so you would just

620
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: never write, but a.

621
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: Very particular area of Staten Island. Yeah, Fisk's like, suv

622
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: is stuck in traffic because of like a hole in

623
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: the street. So Fisk turns this into a whole like

624
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: press moment where he gets out and he's like.

625
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: What's going on?

626
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: Fill this hole in the construction workers like we're waiting

627
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: for the whatever, the city permit people or whatever. He

628
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: is like, just fucking do it. I'm saying it's okay,

629
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: and just do it. And everybody's like.

630
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 2: Wow, may Or Fisk, he's getting stuffne mad and that

631
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: he can fix it. Whats it?

632
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: And that is so crazy to me because we are

633
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: currently in a situation in LA where there are council

634
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: members trying to push through unregulated builds for the new Olympics,

635
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: and I when this moment happened, I was just like, Wow,

636
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: they just had the finger on the pulse of like

637
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: how politicians perceive getting things done. It's so good, such

638
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 3: a good moment.

639
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: When Matt comes back to the office, his law partner

640
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: McDuffie is like, what the fuck you were supposed to do?

641
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: Like a dui and you come back with a murderer

642
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: and cherry is like, this guy's story is bullshit. He

643
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: killed a cop, like one hundred percent he did it.

644
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: Man is like, well, I think he's telling the truth.

645
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: And Cherry, you know why you know that. I know

646
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: that he is telling the truth. Wink wink wink, because

647
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: you know about me. And everybody's like, well, the n

648
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: webs is going to turn against you because like this

649
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: is a cop killer case and you're going to defend

650
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: this guy. And Matt tells Cherry, well, listen, here's what

651
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: we do. Find the guy who ran away, find the

652
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: mugging victim, and maybe he's the key to all this.

653
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: And then also looking to Hector's he's not telling me

654
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: because he's hiding something.

655
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 3: Matt knows because he's been playing Human Light Attected listening

656
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: to his little heart beating.

657
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 2: But obviously he's hiding something.

658
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 3: We know what it is because we read the comics,

659
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: but Matt currently doesn't.

660
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: Bbe Urick meets with Dan Blake, Blake gets the BB meeting.

661
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: Blake gets BB A meeting with Fisk, and Fisk is like, oh,

662
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: your uncle Ben, Yeah, I knew him. I killed him.

663
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: He died at my right hands, great giant murdered. He

664
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: was a great journalist who I murdered myself personally. I

665
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: killed that man at the end of season one of

666
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: Netflix's Daredevil.

667
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: Sooner and Karen Page played a big part in that.

668
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bibi wants to know why Commissioner Gallo, a very

669
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: popular commissioner of the NYPD, refuses to talk about Fisk.

670
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: Commissioner Gallo is set to leave the job. He is

671
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: again very popular with the rank and file. Fisk needs

672
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: the NYPD on his side, which is why he is

673
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: so interested in the hector Iala case. He wants to

674
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: make the cops happy. And Bibi also wants to know why,

675
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, Vanessa is not around, Like what's going on

676
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: with Vanessa? And that's when Fisk is like end of interview.

677
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: That's it.

678
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: Heather is apparently has is writing a book called has

679
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: written a book called Live Without Fear, And so she

680
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: is at her book event and where she announces that

681
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: her next book is going to be about vigilantes and

682
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: people wire masks. A fan comes up and asks for help,

683
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: who's seems very insistent in a weird way.

684
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: Yes, put a note on that, like a major player coming.

685
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: Up, and then she gives him her card and then

686
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: Fisk's assistant, Buck Cashman aka Bullet, comes up to get

687
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: his book signed. Fisk goes to the wake of the

688
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: officer who died in the Hector Ayala fight, and he

689
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: goes when it's over, basically to meet with Commissioner Gallo.

690
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: Gallo fucking hates Fisk, knows Fisk is a criminal, doesn't

691
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: believe that his intentions as mayor or benign, and basically

692
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: is like, I'm going to make sure that you're the

693
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: shortest you have the shortest run as mayor ever in

694
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: the history of New York. Like I want you out. Okay,

695
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: that's a strong opening statement. Kristen and Cherry meet with

696
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: Hector's wife, Sola Dad. She thinks Hector has no shot

697
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: at ever getting out of prison. Cherry is like, let

698
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: me go get Hector's suit from the bedroom and then

699
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: swoops around and then finds the white tiger suit in

700
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: the mystical amulet. That's what Hector is hiding at the jail.

701
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: Matt is like, mystical Ambula, very happy that that's coming

702
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: into play. I love that it's in it.

703
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 2: At the jail.

704
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: Matt's like, why don't you tell me you're fucking white tiger,

705
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: and Hector's like, well, that was my secret and that's it.

706
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: Like, and also, I wasn't white tiger when I beat

707
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: this guy up.

708
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: I was just a guy. I Ala, yeah, I was

709
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: just a guy.

710
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: Matt is like, from now and you have to tell

711
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: me everything. And also we learned that Hector has been

712
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: going through like he's clearly fighting for his life in right.

713
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: Here and right a little bit, he's beat up a

714
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: little bit.

715
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: Gallo comes to see the mare and he's like, I'm resigning.

716
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: And also, you're gonna have problem with the cops because

717
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: a lot of cops are going to take early retirement

718
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: because they don't want to work for you, and so

719
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: you've got a problem. Fisk then threatens Gallo by showing

720
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: him under which he is hidden under a Hogy sandwich.

721
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: I was gonna say to talk about the fact that

722
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: this is like the way.

723
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: Fisk does this is he's eating a cheese steak in

724
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: New York. He's talking about the only good cheese steaks

725
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: are obviously in Philly, and he's talking about who's our

726
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: favorite cheese steak, and Buck is like Ginos and then

727
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 3: he's like, well, actually I like this one by King

728
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 3: of Prussia called DeAngelo's. And as soon as he says that,

729
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: you realize that he's threatening, Gallows saying, I know you

730
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: have something that So he shows him a picture and

731
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 3: he shows him of his little secret son.

732
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: Probably what I get.

733
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: The way he was talking about it was like, this

734
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: is a secret son, I guess with his mistress. Well,

735
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: I think generally they threatening their lives.

736
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was basically just like, I'm going to kill

737
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 2: this person.

738
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so don't don't even try it, and so Fisk says,

739
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: so here's your options. You can leave, and then I'm

740
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: threatening your family. And also no, here's what happens to

741
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: the cops. They get no pay rises, they get no

742
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: additional overtime, and no expanded cadet class unless you stay on.

743
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: Do we have an agreement? And Galla decides okay, I'll

744
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: stay on.

745
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: Matt and Ben Hockberg, the Hawk who is the prosecutor

746
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: in the Iola case, discuss the case with Matt, where

747
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: Matt basically says, listen, my client is white tiger, but

748
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't wearing a mystical amulet and he wasn't in

749
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: his suit. Therefore, yeah, no, we cannot disclose the information

750
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: that he was white tiger because it would prejudice the jury.

751
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: It's not involved in this. And the judge is like, okay, fine,

752
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: no mention a way, say.

753
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 3: Rag good lawyering for Mattam By the way, guys, we rally,

754
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: we rally get to see him doing some good lawyering.

755
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 3: But this is actually good lawyering. And the judge agrees,

756
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 3: he's correct to agree. Yeah, and you're like, wow, maybe

757
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: Matt really is going to make a difference as a

758
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: lawyer in this town.

759
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: Maybe he is. Maybe he was never need to be

760
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: that of all.

761
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: Again, Cherry tells Matt that he can't find the witness

762
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: and also that he thinks Matt is too close to

763
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: this case because it's a case of out of vigilante

764
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: and you know Matt what's going.

765
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 3: Cherry knows because he saw him take off his mosque

766
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 3: after he tried to kill Benjamin poindex The aka Bullseye.

767
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: That's right.

768
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: Matt uh follows one of the cops who is beating

769
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: up Hector and follows him to his house. And we

770
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: also see during this kind of like intercut series of

771
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: scenes that Buck Cashman has is at Heather's office to

772
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: introduce her to her new clients, mister Fisk mat full

773
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: right to start working with Wilson and Vanessa because they

774
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: need to go through their issues. Meanwhile, Matt hears from

775
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: the street, here's the the dirty cop planning to kill

776
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 1: this witness, the the mugging victim who fled, and they

777
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: know where he's at and they're heading there now. Matt

778
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: calls Cherry to tell him what's going on. He arrives

779
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: at the apartment telling the guy Nikki that listen, the

780
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: cops are coming right now to kill you. They want

781
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: to rub you out for because of whatever you're involved in.

782
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: He's like, go flee down the fire escape because he

783
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: can hear that. He can hear them rushing up, and

784
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: the cops come to the door. Matt lets them in

785
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: and he's like, Hi, I know you were trying to

786
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: see Nikki, but guess what, I'm here.

787
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: I'm his lawyer, and he's not here. The cops have

788
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: punish your tattoos, which is.

789
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: Very in a lot of ways, and they're like, oh, yeah, well,

790
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: well watch this and they start beating the ship out

791
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: of Matt. And then one of the cops is like,

792
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 1: let's fucking just kill this guy. And the other one

793
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, but he's a lawyer. He's like, nah,

794
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: just do it.

795
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: I don't please the dove do this because you don't

796
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: want to.

797
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: And then Matt goes absolutely fucking nuclear and absolutely murks

798
00:41:54,680 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: these fucking yeah, like, I'm guys are knapping arms in souallyes.

799
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: This guy in the kitchens, these guys have traumatic brain injury.

800
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: Like sorry to Nicky, but when you come back to

801
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: your apartment, you're gonna find a crying Catholic man and

802
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: two fucked up.

803
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: Cops and it's gonna be good for you. I'm like,

804
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: these men, I would be survived. I would be surprised

805
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: if they survived. I also found the Punisher Tato's thing

806
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: really interesting because I feel like, even though this is

807
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: more of a from what we know about, this is

808
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: more of an LA problem, but like it feels like

809
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: the show is gonna touch on like police gangs or

810
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: sheriff gangs.

811
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: Like we have had, you know, exposed recently in the

812
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: well in the last decade in LA. But obviously with

813
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 3: this twist of the Punisher, which we know that logo

814
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: in real life has been taken and repurposed as an

815
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: image for cops and I just thought that this scene

816
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: was like so so good, and then of course the

817
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: end of the scene, which really sells it.

818
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: It. Matt It's just so fucking.

819
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: Angry that he had to do this, Like he doesn't

820
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: want to be Daredevil. He's made this promise we get

821
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: what Aaron normal, you know, basically predicted correctly. It was

822
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: almost like an Anakin no, and we are probably going

823
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: to get one of those in this series. I mean, wow,

824
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 3: what what a first couple of episodes.

825
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: Let's sick a break and then come back for our

826
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: quick thoughts on the first two episodes of Dared obil

827
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: Bourne and we are back. I think two very strong episodes,

828
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: and it's clear that what the idea is is to

829
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: take the stuff that worked, the violence, the action, the

830
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: wonderful work of of Charlie Cox as Matthew Murdoch, Vincent

831
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: Genofrio as Wilson Fisk, and then give them the dramatic scenes,

832
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: the writing, the character development around that to really almost

833
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: elevate this to to attempt to elevate it almost to

834
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: like a prestige drama, like like what we've seen with

835
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: the Penguin. Essentially, this is like answer to the Pengin.

836
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: A feeling like that.

837
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: I think that it is more akin to the Penguin

838
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 3: because of the surprising choices they're making and the interesting

839
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: no plot armor for certain characters.

840
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: This show is letting you know anything.

841
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: I couldn't I mean, I couldn't believe it when they.

842
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: Have to say, guys, look, I was actually kind of

843
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: like no. I was just enjoying his aircut.

844
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: And and also everybody you know was happy to see

845
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: the trio brought back together. But I gotta say, guys,

846
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: it was Karen or Foggy, and they need to fix

847
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: Karen from the first three seasons, so you know what.

848
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: It's occasionally a man must die, a man must be fridged,

849
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 3: and this time it was Foggy ipe.

850
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: To that man.

851
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 3: But I love that they are not afraid to just

852
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: absolutely shake things up. I also am very interested because

853
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 3: I think the courtroom aspect and the potential of that

854
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 3: as it is in the comics is some of my

855
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: favorite stuff.

856
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: So I was kind of worried when they said, well.

857
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: The first show had too much courtroom and not enough

858
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 3: dared Evil. And actually, I feel like the this blend

859
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: of the two is working really well. I'm excited, you know,

860
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 3: We were talking Jason before about you know you you

861
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 3: keenly spotted that the Hector Ayala stuff is very Brian

862
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 3: Michael bendis like they're deftly taking that stuff from the comics.

863
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 3: Obviously we have like Kristin McDuffie, she is from the

864
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: Mark Wade Palla Rivera stuff like they're taking from.

865
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: There's obviously some Charles saul In here as well.

866
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: They're really taken from the best of Dead level and

867
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 3: in the thanks there are thanks to many many creators,

868
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: including Annie Nascenti in the second episode. We get so

869
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 3: many polls from the comics here in a way that

870
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: doesn't feel distracting or you know, as somebody who I

871
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Speaker 3: know guys, I'm aware of my role in the Easter eggification.

872
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: I love to find an Easter egg. It was my

873
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 3: job for many years to find an Easter egg. But

874
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 3: these don't feel like random Easter eggs. This is a

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Speaker 3: show that, like you said, is response. It feels like

876
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: a response to the penguin of Oh, we see that

877
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: you can make an Emmy winning show. And we know

878
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 3: Disney has you know, Disney has been in the awards

879
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 3: contention occasionally for Wonder Vision, for and Or. They're obviously

880
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: going big for and Or this year to get it

881
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: into awards contention. But this feels like a really great

882
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 3: blend of what macOS does well. And I have to say,

883
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Speaker 3: I love you know, I love wonder vision that's up

884
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Speaker 3: there for me. But I will say those first three

885
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 3: episodes of Division that they dropped if you were not

886
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: an emcuviewer, they were quite inexplicable until you got further

887
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Speaker 3: in and understood a little bit more about what.

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Speaker 2: Was going on.

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Speaker 3: And I did have even though there was a lot

890
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Speaker 3: of great TV references and kind of it was quite abstract.

891
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Speaker 3: I think that this might be the best, or is

892
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 3: up there with the best of the first two episodes

893
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Speaker 3: of an MCU show.

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Speaker 1: I think the reason that the courtroom stuff felt like

895
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Speaker 1: it dragged in the Daredevil Netflix series is because it

896
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Speaker 1: was I'm not saying the writing was bad on the

897
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Speaker 1: Daredevil Netflix series, but through two episodes, the average writing

898
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Speaker 1: level is better. Like they've really taken their time to

899
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Speaker 1: make stuff feel both real world and possible in the

900
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Speaker 1: comic context as well. They've grappled, I think really well

901
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: with the idea that New York is a real place

902
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: with real people who live in it, who are dealing with, uh,

903
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Speaker 1: crazy things happening, chaotic things happening all the time, Vigilantes

904
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Speaker 1: fighting in the streets, superhero battles, destroying buildings, alien invasions.

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Speaker 2: Et cetera.

906
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Speaker 1: Like there's a moment where, uh, Matt, when Matt is

907
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Speaker 1: arguing that the White Tiger evidence should be kept out

908
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: of the trial, and he says, listen, he wasn't wearing

909
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Speaker 1: his mystical amulet, and Hackburg like rolls his eyes and

910
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: makes like this gesture like his fucking mystic Are you

911
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: serious with the mystical Amulya?

912
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Speaker 2: And I loved that because because they're like, I'm sick of.

913
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Speaker 1: This ship, Like I'm sick of this ship, and they're

914
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: just playing, and they're playing it so straight, like to

915
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: just have a regular lawyer be like, well, he wasn't

916
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Speaker 1: wearing his mystical amulet, judge. That's the kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: that the previous the Netflix stuff didn't deal with. It

918
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Speaker 1: was very, very separate, very you knew that this was

919
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: a post Battle of New York World, but like none

920
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: of that's other than knowing that it happened and seeing

921
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Speaker 1: like some pressings of the fact that it happened. You

922
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Speaker 1: didn't get the sense that it it impacted people or

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Speaker 1: the people felt a type of way about it, whereas

924
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: now with the BB Report intercuts and like that little

925
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Speaker 1: moment with the Hawk where he's like rolling his eyes

926
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Speaker 1: at Mistglama, like all of that stuff is letting is

927
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Speaker 1: like that classic Marvel Comics thing of real people dealing

928
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Speaker 1: with insane, wild sci fi fantasy circumstances. And I think

929
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Speaker 1: elevating that to basically like Prestige TV is what the

930
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Speaker 1: show is trying to do. And I think through two episodes,

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Speaker 1: has done successfully.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too.

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Speaker 3: And I also think that now there is a non

934
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Speaker 3: zero chance that we actually will get shee Halt or

935
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Speaker 3: maybe more likely Jen, because I have to say I

936
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Speaker 3: did not expect references to Echo. I did not think that.

937
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Speaker 3: I thought they were going to use this not to

938
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Speaker 3: soft recon. I love Echo, we all know that. I

939
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Speaker 3: think she's fantastic. I love the actress who brings that

940
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 3: to life. I love it disabled superhero, that's my jam.

941
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Speaker 3: But I wasn't one hundred percent sure if they were

942
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Speaker 3: gonna kind of even reference it. And I loved how

943
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Speaker 3: casually they did it. I loved how much fun there

944
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Speaker 3: was in that kind.

945
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Speaker 2: Of like kids, what do you do with them? I

946
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Speaker 2: thought that was hilarious.

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Speaker 3: I also liked how it kind of leaned into the

948
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Speaker 3: acknowledgement that there is a younger class of heroes coming up,

949
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Speaker 3: both heroes and anti heroes. And I think that the

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Speaker 3: mention of the Mystical Amulet is very sheehowk Like we

951
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 3: are in a world where Shee Hulk was introducing mutants

952
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: and like completely random deep cup characters. She's breaking the

953
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Speaker 3: fourth wall. I love how this is kind of comboing

954
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Speaker 3: all of this. Also, I did find it very interesting

955
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Speaker 3: that they, you know, red Hook is such a key

956
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Speaker 3: location here obviously like a real New York location, but

957
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Speaker 3: it does have like after people found out Steve Rodgers

958
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Speaker 3: was Captain America when he revealed that his civilian identity,

959
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Speaker 3: like that's where he went to live, Like there are

960
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 3: big Marvel connotations in Red Hook too, So I feel

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Speaker 3: it they're doing a good job again of balancing the reality,

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Speaker 3: but also the kind of moments like X Men ninety

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Speaker 3: six from the bloom In seventy five, that's the first

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Speaker 3: place that they ever mentioned Red Hook in the MCU.

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Speaker 2: Hydra had a base in Red Hook.

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Speaker 3: During like that, and I just think it's cool that

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Speaker 3: they're kind of they're managing to balance again the reality

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Speaker 3: of New York, but along with the hints of what

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Speaker 3: could come from.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do I'll do an omnibus. If they continue

971
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Speaker 1: to be Red Hook stuff in here, we'll do it.

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Speaker 2: That would be about brilliant.

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Speaker 1: Because it's a It is an interesting area of New

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Speaker 1: York that is always kind of like left out of

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Speaker 1: People have been trying to develop it. Cruise ships do

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00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: dock there now, but because of the geography and the

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Speaker 1: way it kind of spits out into the into the bay,

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Speaker 1: it's not serviced easily by mass transit, and so it

979
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Speaker 1: is this kind of like out of the way, different

980
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: place where a diverse crew of people live there, including artists,

981
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Speaker 1: including just regular working class folks. So it's an interesting place.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about it maybe later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that. Also.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to ask you as if I am

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Speaker 3: to be Eric as a New Yorker, how did you

986
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Speaker 3: feel about the New York representation within this show.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was good. I thought it felt you know,

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00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 1: the BB Report is like something that you would see

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00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: on a screen in the back of a cab or

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00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: like on New York One, which is like the local

991
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: cable news channel, and it felt very real to me,

992
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: Like I thought that was one of the strongest storytelling

993
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Speaker 1: choices that they made here, So I'm excited. We're going

994
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Speaker 1: to continue to cover dared Evil Born Again on a

995
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Speaker 1: week to week basis in the next few episodes of

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision were of course also diving into bomju

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Speaker 1: Hun's Bomb who Knows latest film Mickey seventeen, And of

998
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Speaker 1: course our continuing coverage of Severance will roll on with

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Speaker 1: episodes episode two A Weight of Severance.

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Speaker 2: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening, Bye.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie

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Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent, Dean Jonathan and Bay Wag.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and

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