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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan hans Us, and I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, Gregs

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Speaker 1: what boys. I haven't even played a video game and

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Speaker 1: probably fifteen years. Well you can still put up video

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Speaker 1: game numbers. Not literally, but just what that means is

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Speaker 1: that you're you're excelling at such a high level that

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Speaker 1: the only way that could ever happen is in a

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Speaker 1: fake world. That's what that means. You shouldn't take all

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Speaker 1: those money tags literally, most of them our complete nonsense.

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Speaker 1: She did not write murder, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like everyone is not thank you for it? Now? I

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Speaker 1: feel you know, I've I've been taught a lesson, good one.

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Speaker 1: I haven't played a video game in fifteen years at least,

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Speaker 1: thank you. What else? What else is going on with

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Speaker 1: the forties something side of the table today? Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: got kids, just went you video game systems. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another edition of the show is the Wednesday Program. It's

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Speaker 1: very exciting. We actually just before we started taping, we

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Speaker 1: did our NFL Now segment A whole separate segment. Consider

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Speaker 1: it like the Around the NFL podcast bonus feature where

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Speaker 1: we talked about five things were excited about for week eleven. Uh,

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Speaker 1: so you can check that out over on NFL now.

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Speaker 1: we have our own folder there though. Oh yeah, we

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Speaker 1: if all of you do that at once, it will

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Speaker 1: show the power of Around the NFL. I read one

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Speaker 1: of my marks high octane articles yesterday, you know, and

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Speaker 1: he linked to scouts I with Daniel Jeremiah. I spent

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Speaker 1: off day. That's not true. You have a genuine issue.

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Speaker 1: You don't know if that's true or not. No one's

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Speaker 1: spend that much time on NFL now. Uh And also,

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Speaker 1: next year, and also on iTunes. Uh, I guess TD,

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Speaker 1: how you doing, tod, what's going on? Us doing? What's up?

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Speaker 1: at the end of the year. Okay, but go over

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Speaker 1: five stars through some comments up there in a positive situation,

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Speaker 1: you know, just get the around. The NFL podcast out

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Speaker 1: there forced their hand basically, basically put put put them

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Speaker 1: we're an underdog too, were the NFL. So it's like

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Speaker 1: two underdogs battling stupid. Uh. So today's show is going

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Speaker 1: to be a fun one. We're going to We've gotten

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Speaker 1: So let's now get into uh the news, which where

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Speaker 1: we start every single well not every show, but many shows. TD.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, buddy once again? Doing good? Glad to

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Speaker 1: who's getting the cash? Guys? Alright? Alright, so TDS, all

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Speaker 1: think we all feel confident that they're gonna win eight

426
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Speaker 1: or not games that are gonna be necessary to take

427
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Speaker 1: that division. The other teams in that division are fundamentally flawed.

428
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: That's why schedule is tough. I looked at Atlanta. Atlanta

429
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Speaker 1: is the one team because they have a quarterback and

430
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Speaker 1: they have a passing games if you could find if

431
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: you could look at the schedule and find a bunch

432
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Speaker 1: of wins, but their scheduled after this week when they

433
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Speaker 1: played Carolina, it's very difficult. It's hard to see them

434
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Speaker 1: really make it a run. And I think we all

435
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 1: felt like the Saints coming into the season would be

436
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Speaker 1: a twelve win type of team this season. And it's

437
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Speaker 1: the thing that concerns me a little bit, going beyond

438
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Speaker 1: the fact that they are the best team in my opinion,

439
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: no question that division, that if they are going to

440
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Speaker 1: win at eight and eight or nine and seven, that

441
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: means a lot of weird stuff still has to happen

442
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: between now and then. We could sweat it out a little.

443
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have a problem act seeing

444
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Speaker 1: any of the others when I think about who they

445
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: really are, though, how about how far the Mighty have fallen?

446
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: The Panthers went from the team of L team of

447
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Speaker 1: a t L excuse me, to uh twelve wins and

448
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: the division and a buy in the playoffs. By week ten,

449
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: they're they're acts. They're out the forks of the back,

450
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: their forked hard to a very strong too, and no

451
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: record where we were in here saying how important that

452
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: lead they had built over the Saints was. I remember

453
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: in our week to recap podcast we're saying, don't listen

454
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: to that podcast again. This is a serious for the

455
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,479
Speaker 1: Saints to get out. And I have a little problem

456
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: with the Falcons. I have no problem forking the Panthers

457
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: because their defense is one of the worst in the league,

458
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: and their offense isn't that much better, and their coach

459
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,479
Speaker 1: keeps starting a running back who can't play better than

460
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: the guy who's coming up from behind him on the bench.

461
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: What you're mad about Stewart and Williams. Basically, Jon Stewart's

462
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: playing great and Danni d'angela. Williams is running into the

463
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Speaker 1: back of his offensive line the whole time. I feel

464
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: like they gotta reboot that whole backfield. It's move on

465
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Speaker 1: from the Stewart Williams. Yeah, I agree with that. Uh

466
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Speaker 1: can we add another team? Maybe? I mean we got

467
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Speaker 1: to agree on it. I've forked the Bengals right now. No,

468
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't for the Bengals, So let's get bold. I

469
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: don't think it's like you're not there fit for this

470
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: because you want them to fail actively, so you're not

471
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: thinking clearly what I wanted to fork. The Texans want

472
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Speaker 1: to fork half these teams. I want to for the

473
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: Rams a month ago. Well, let's talk about the Texas

474
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Speaker 1: for staying, because that's a four and five team right now.

475
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: They just switched to uh Ryan Mallett. I guess I'm

476
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Speaker 1: not making There was a little hesitation when we brought

477
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Speaker 1: up the Texans. Downstairs. West was selling it hard. I

478
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: was on board with West, but yeah, they're only four

479
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: and five, so there is a little bit of risk.

480
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Speaker 1: I s don't see Houston as an abject disaster at all.

481
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Speaker 1: That's not what this is about. It's about will they

482
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Speaker 1: make the playoffs, that's right, and I don't and look

483
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: at the rest of the A f C. Right, and

484
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: then then so they won't. All right, what about I'll

485
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Speaker 1: throw another team out there. The I have one team

486
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: that going out to me as the best team on

487
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: this list that could make us sweat a little bit.

488
00:24:54,680 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: I've been drumming. This team's not the The Minnesota Vikings

489
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: playing well. They play a good defense. They play the Bears,

490
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: for instance, this week, another dead team. I'll take the

491
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: Vikings over them. That gets them to five and five.

492
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Speaker 1: They're playing pretty good team ball. I don't necessarily think

493
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Speaker 1: they're gonna make the playoffs, but I think they could

494
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Speaker 1: stay in the bank. You're looking at an interesting eight

495
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: and eight team, sure, all right, so if they're lucky.

496
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Speaker 1: Um so, unless we want to talk about any of

497
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Speaker 1: those teams anymore, there are a couple of teams I

498
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Speaker 1: want to bring. We'll start with the Bengals. That teams

499
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Speaker 1: that could be on the precipice of joining these other

500
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Speaker 1: UH teams in the graveyard of life for the season.

501
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Speaker 1: We'll start with the Bengals, because West you brought it

502
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Speaker 1: up there five three and one, coming off a really

503
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: bad loss to the Browns, and I'm just gonna read

504
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: off the rest of their schedule at three straight road

505
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: games now, by the way, as at Saints, at Texans

506
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: at Bucks, so to winnable games. The Saints gonna be

507
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: very tough. And then they are home to Steelers at

508
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Speaker 1: Brown's home to Broncos at Steelers. So that is not

509
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: an easy schedule. I mean, if you want to make

510
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: the case, uh that they can miss the playoffs, you

511
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: can make it. They probably nine six and one could

512
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: get them in. You would think, I don't think so

513
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: this year. I think you might need eleven wins this year.

514
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: He missed another opportunity to bring up Andre Siciliano and

515
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: the research book he shouted out in the newsroom today,

516
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: the Bengals have the highest margin of in their in

517
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Speaker 1: their losses, they have the hard highest average point differential

518
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: of any team in the league. Well, I think that

519
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: shows us that they're in offense because some of those

520
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: one of them was a shutout, lost twenty seven nothing

521
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: to the Cults, the Browns game three. They had another

522
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: one that was like Hatriots, they got blast right. When

523
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: they play the other a f C contenders, they're not

524
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: competitive and their defense isn't the same group it was

525
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: with Mike Zimmer And you've got a quarterback that goes

526
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: completely into a nap, right, but he also is known

527
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: to go into nice streaks to That's what he's been about.

528
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: His will be this guy forever like, But you haven't

529
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: abandoned your project of defending, and not totally because this

530
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: is the time where you it's very easy to completely

531
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: write him off. And that could have been his butt

532
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: fumble game. You're right, West, I don't know if he

533
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: ever recovers from that bad and embarrassment. But it's also

534
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: football is weird. You could put together a couple of

535
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: good weeks in a row. We're not even thinking about

536
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: as weird. That's in the Super I think this is

537
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 1: a four and five team, like exactly. I look at

538
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: the schedule. I see I see a nine, six and

539
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: one team. Now, whether that that gets them in maybe

540
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: not this year, but I just think it's prettymature. The

541
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: other two teams that you can make a case for.

542
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: To me, the loser of Bill's Dolphins on Thursday night,

543
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: I would say you could probably get four case at

544
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: five and five. At that point in that stack division,

545
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: I would look even at the losers schedule compared to

546
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: the winners to see what's happening down the stretch, because

547
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: that's a little bit early for me. But you're not

548
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: far the Dolphins. If they lose that game, I would

549
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: feel comfortable forking them. They go to Denver after at

550
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: and no Brandon and they have they go to New

551
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: England later, they'll have been swept by the Bills, which

552
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: is a bad look and a bad tiebreak. They they

553
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: really really need to win the game. And then the

554
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: other team not as worried about them. But the Chargers

555
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: obviously are in a three game losing streak five and four.

556
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: They get the Raiders at home, so they're gonna be

557
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: six and four. You know, no respect for Tony Sperano's

558
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: troop by rage the balls. So they're a team though,

559
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on, because they can't. You can't

560
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: lose three games. About forking the team of a t L,

561
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: give me a break, Yeah, I mean, let's be honest,

562
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: we did with the Giants. There's a movement on Twitter

563
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: to have us for the Chargers as the team of

564
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: a t L and adopt the Cardinals. What do you

565
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: guys think? Well, that's what we were going to adopt

566
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: tea thank you. Maybe Carson Palmer I would have. I'm

567
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: having a hard time picking that game this week. Cardinals

568
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: lines just because I'm sick of Rudy against the Cardinals.

569
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: They're a likable bunch, but you think the lines are

570
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: a dormat anyway, So just keep picking an I don't

571
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: think they're a or Tomato canning. Your fighting uncomfortable. Yeah,

572
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: so we will. We'll check in again the stick of

573
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: FG and some more teams as it comes along. Now

574
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: that we've done about a third of the league, i'd

575
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: say we're in that realm a little bit more than that. Yeah,

576
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: thirteen teams are gone, so not that many left. What is?

577
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: What is thirty two? Nineteen teams have an opportunity within

578
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl this year? Oh yeah, stay plugged into

579
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: the podcast, keep clicking like and that plus the two

580
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: teams that we incorrectly forked that was a long time ago. Well, no,

581
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: this year's I'm sure there will be too, Okay, alright,

582
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: so let's move on before we get to the Thursday

583
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: night preview, I'm just gonna the m v P race

584
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: is great this year. It's gonna it's pretty wide open.

585
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: There are a lot of guys you can make a

586
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: case for. Why don't we go around the room. And

587
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: I really want to start with Mark Cesler on this,

588
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: And I don't know why I want to start with Mark. Uh,

589
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: tell me who is your pick? As we enter week

590
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: eleven for m v P, this is one of the

591
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: few categor stories where I can stick with what I

592
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: said in the summertime. We've been wrong individually and as

593
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: a group about so many things. It is. It is sketchy, um,

594
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: but I went with Aaron Rodgers, and I'm sticking with

595
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I don't need to explain it. Why you need?

596
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: Three of us went with Aaron, right, Yeah? Us a

597
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: whole bunch of us said for me, I think with

598
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: Green Bay at this point. To me, also with the

599
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: way their offense is operating. Number one, he's got there,

600
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson and Cobb at playing at a level with

601
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: the way he's playing that I'd look at the offense

602
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: and say they could beat and drop a bomb on

603
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: any one week to week. Their my NFC team to

604
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: beat at this point. And he's the reason why without

605
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 1: him they'd be what they were last His numbers are

606
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: almost identically in terms of pace to his MVP season

607
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: of a few years ago. I think forty four touchdowns,

608
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: six interceptions, that type of you know, one twelve passerrating,

609
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: that type of dominance. So he's definitely put that up. Uh,

610
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: put up the numbers so far. West. We talked about

611
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: Phil Emory's Cowboy Boots earlier, Aaron Rodgers as a cowboy.

612
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: They start out oh and two, he tells everyone relax,

613
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: puts it on his own shoulders, walks through town ghost town,

614
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: and says, all right, watch out, I'm taking care of business.

615
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: Five and one, thirty seven points a game since he

616
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: told everyone to relax. That's an m v P move. Alright,

617
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: my pick. I loved Aaron Roger's pick. I think it's

618
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: a it's a fair one is supposed to or what

619
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: has happened so far? What's happened so far? And now

620
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: you have a chance on November twelve now to recalibrate

621
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: your pick if you'd like, stick with it you made originally. Um,

622
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: I am gonna go with Peyton Manning. I'm gonna because

623
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: this is the safe one, this is the this is

624
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: the easy money bet to me, because when you look

625
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: at it, it's kind of gotten a little lost because

626
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: it hasn't been at the same level as last year.

627
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: But I'm looking at his projective numbers. UH is gonna

628
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: throw for almost yards. He's on pace for fifty two

629
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: touchdowns a pass raining of one twelve. He remains UH

630
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: the greatest statistical quarterback every he's playing at that same level,

631
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Speaker 1: and I do believe that they're going to have the

632
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: number one seed in the a f C, which obviously

633
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: matters a lot when you talk about the m v P. UH. Now, well,

634
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: voters are voters. There are two ways to good work.

635
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: Two ways. Voters will be boarder vote voting for Peyton Manning.

636
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: If there's other people that are at the same in

637
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: the same stat level and team success or they can

638
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: get behind this guy is a historic figure and give

639
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Speaker 1: him number six. I think they're more inclined to get

640
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Speaker 1: behind Peyton the legend and keep rolling with him if

641
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: he puts up the numbers I mean, and they would realize,

642
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: as I mentioned in the summer, that this is his

643
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: final season. There's another way to look at it. To

644
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: a voter, Peyton Manning brings all these weapons every year,

645
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: surrounded by so much talent, and then he gets his

646
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Speaker 1: clock cleaned by the double m v P candidate Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady Rob Gronkowski better m VP candidates than Peton? Can

648
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Speaker 1: you can you do that? Double? That's my pick? Saying well,

649
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Speaker 1: I don't. Did you just step on Greg's choice and

650
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: the springboard? Yeah? I was gonna, well, I was gonna

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Speaker 1: switch it to Brady. Why not? I mean Rogers, Well,

652
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: Rogers was my pick, and so I don't like you

653
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: don't you shouldn't be able to change your pick. But

654
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: when you think about anything this country, that's what makes

655
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: it so damn When you think about these awards, though,

656
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: you do have to think, what is the sort of

657
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: easy to swallow tired storyline that all the writers who

658
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: are voting for it can kind of swallow up and

659
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: spoon out to the public a lot of digestion and

660
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: food products. Sometimes sometimes it's it's about that word I

661
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: hate now narrative or whatever, and you know what the

662
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: narrative everyone's gonna like tom Brady was counted out. I've

663
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: heard so many times everyone shut up with oh, everyone

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Speaker 1: was right, and that the Tom Brady arrow was over,

665
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Speaker 1: break up the dynasty after four everybody in the which

666
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: showed me all these articles where everyone is saying and

667
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: I hear a lot more people just saying that everyone

668
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Speaker 1: was it was totally okay to be writing negatively about

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady after that Chiefs game. That's the other thing.

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00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: It's okay that people were being critical of him in

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00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: the offensive that time, and now it's okay to be

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00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: critical of a quarterback. It's not okay every time a

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00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: quarterback has over thirty five to right that he's finished

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Speaker 1: and I want to see I want to see where

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Speaker 1: all that was. I'll be happy to show it to you.

676
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Speaker 1: But my point is that Brady's bounced back since then,

677
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Speaker 1: as I think the best player in the league since

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Speaker 1: that point or so since about week five on, he's

679
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Speaker 1: been the m v P. So once the season keeps

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00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: stretching out, if he keeps being the best player in

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Speaker 1: the league from week five to week seventeen, I think

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Speaker 1: he wins might be the best player in his own team.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you know how this voting is though,

684
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: with the m v P, the quarterback always gets the

685
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: bene of the doubt. He's got he nailed it on

686
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: the Natick has a decade of smelling success flowing from

687
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: the new England part of the country. That's true. And

688
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: he also you can take things from inside people's stomachs

689
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: and spoon them out at us, just flick him right

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00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: in our faces. It's like that narrative, right in your face.

691
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to be smelling it in Glendale. Patriots for revenge.

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00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: Oh wait, but the Giants won't be there because they've

693
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Speaker 1: Patriots are going back to the super Bowl. I've picked

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Speaker 1: into the Super Bowl every year for five preseason pick

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Speaker 1: I don't like that matchup for New England. All right,

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to Thursday night football. A big game,

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Speaker 1: almost an elimination game in the a f C East

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Speaker 1: between the Buffalo Bills and Miami Dolphins. This game will

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Speaker 1: be played in Miami Bowl. Teams coming off very difficult

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00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: losses where they probably felt they should have won, didn't

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00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: work out that way, and now they are both five

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Speaker 1: and four, both needed in a very crowded a f

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Speaker 1: C playoff picture. I'll start with you, Chris Westling, how

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00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: are you looking at this game? The Dolphins are in trouble.

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Speaker 1: Greg mentioned last Sunday how great the Bill's defensive line

706
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: looked one of the best performances he's seen all year.

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00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: You've got our defensive line where Mario Williams might be

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00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: the least effective player on the line. Markill Darius has

709
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: ten sacks. I think Jerry Hughes has eight or nine sacks.

710
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams is playing at an all pro level. And

711
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Speaker 1: then you look at a Dolphins there without Brandon Albert.

712
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: They have only one touchdown last week and it was

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Speaker 1: off a blocked field goal that was set them up

714
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: on a three yard line against the best defense in

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Speaker 1: the league. But another one. I think the Dolphins are

716
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: in trouble. This matchup is not good for them. Dolphins

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00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: are winning this game. And what I love about Miami

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00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: is that, well, no, it doesn't make sense as as

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Speaker 1: a lot of these Thursday night games. Number One, I'll

720
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: always tilt towards the home team. And what I love

721
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: about Miami is that you've got a head coach that

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Speaker 1: most people think will be fired at the end of

723
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Speaker 1: the season. That well, you've got an offensive coordinator that

724
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Speaker 1: reports come out today that the players don't like him.

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00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: He's too hard on them. He's driving them to so well.

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00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: The point being, they keep they keep getting better on offense.

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00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 1: They have flat lined in a few games but they're

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00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: starting to play better, and I and I I understand

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00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: the Buffalo's defensive matchup that's about as nasty as one

730
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Speaker 1: as they've seen all season. But at home Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: for a chance to take over second place in this division,

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00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it. They've been better all year, were

733
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: all their defense. So when you're looking at the two matchups,

734
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Speaker 1: which defense is better, I'll take Miami because I like

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00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: them better in the back end with Brent Grimes and

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Speaker 1: Rashad Jones, and they have a linebacker Joanni Jenkins. Were

737
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: just playing well in their front. For it's just as

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Speaker 1: big a problem for Buffalo, who hasn't been that great

739
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: this year. It's not. It's not as big of a problem.

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Speaker 1: I think. I think it could be this week because

741
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: when you're going against Cameron Wake and Dion Jordan's starting

742
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: to make some plays. In Olivier Vernon, we've seen Ryan

743
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: Danhill behind a bad offensive line. Now you switch a

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00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: rookie right tackle who got worked over last week over

745
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: the left tackle. He played great when he when he

746
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: moved him to left tackle. I watched that game yesterday.

747
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: I was I decided when I was five hurries last

748
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: week I think they're gonna move him to the blind side,

749
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: and we've seen Tannehill behind the bad offensive line. It's

750
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: not pretty. I think one thing I'm thinking, I think

751
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: the Dolphins are a better team, and they're at home,

752
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: and I trust their quarterback a little bit more so.

753
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: I think I'm leaning toward the Dolphins. And the only

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00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: thing I'll say about the line because it is a

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00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: major issue and a major problem their ability to block here.

756
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: But I do trust Laser as well, even though he

757
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: had some bad press today, to work up a scheme

758
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: that that keeps in mind the fact that they're they're

759
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: gonna have some issues with the pass us getting the

760
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: ball out quickly. I think they're gonna scheme with that

761
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: in mind, and I think that will help. I think

762
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: the one big X factor here too is we've seen

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00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins in a couple of games, even in terms

764
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: of yardage he should have had had he made one

765
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: catch or been closer like monstrous performances, and it's he's

766
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: shown that he can have that kind of breakout game.

767
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: He wasn't healthy last week. We'll have to find out

768
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: how healthy is this week. And also that you know

769
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: they don't Fred Jackson. Where is he gonna be. We

770
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna play or not. They've not

771
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: been able to run the ball well. I really liked

772
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: the way Bryce Brown looked last week. He had a

773
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: bad fumble that might have cost him the game, but

774
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: he was explosive and they were weirdly didn't give them

775
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: the ball much. I mean they threw it forty eight times,

776
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: and that that's why I'm taking. That's part of the

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00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: reason I'm taking the Dolfins. I trust their offense more.

778
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: I trust Tannehill. They have been getting rid of the

779
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: ball quickly, like Dan said, even in the Detroit game.

780
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean they they drove the ball at the end

781
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: of the game. They've been better overall over the course

782
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: of the season. They're often Since two of you now

783
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: have said you trust Tannehill, That's not a word I

784
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: would ever use for Bryan tan Hill. I guess throughout

785
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: his career. Guess I trust them a little more than

786
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: Kyle or and I don't. I also, I kind of

787
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: agree with what Greg was saying on Sunday after after

788
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: Sunday's games that maybe the Kyle Orton magic is about

789
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: to run out. I kind of smell a stinker coming

790
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: from him on the road in prime time. So that's

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00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: that's where I'm coming from. So it sounds like, West,

792
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: you might be in a in a spot for a

793
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: hero pick here with the Buffalo billspending what Kevin Patrick says.

794
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: The three of us all have the Dolphins. It sounds like,

795
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: so West, you could be on hero Boulevard and you

796
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: need it to come back in the standings. I used

797
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: a little strategy with my picks this week. I except

798
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: I expect a few heroes. All right, that's it for

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Speaker 1: Wednesday's edition of the Around the NFL podcast. We will

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Speaker 1: be back, of course on Thursday night where we recap

801
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: the Thursday game and then we look ahead to all

802
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: of Sunday's action and the Monday Monday Night football. Of course,

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00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: that is our big Week eleven, is it, yes? So

804
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: per show preview show man, it's already week eleven. Uh,

805
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Speaker 1: So we will get into that, so make sure you

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Speaker 1: check in. Thank you as always for listening. Now, uh,

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Speaker 1: West and Mark and I, it's time for us to

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Speaker 1: go downstairs. The boss is rubbing his hands together. It

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Speaker 1: is our halftime review. Within the corporate structure of NFL Media,

810
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: where he tells us everything that makes us not good enough.

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Speaker 1: It's been nice knowing you guys. This is Dan Hansis

812
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Speaker 1: signing off for the Sizzler. Maybe the time for the

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Speaker 1: last time. The Mailman, the Boss who really did had

814
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Speaker 1: a great show today by the White Boss, very professional

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Speaker 1: show and TD behind the Glass until Thursday.