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Speaker 1: I listen to the Black Guy Who Tips podcast because

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Speaker 1: Rod and Karen Hi, and welcome to the Black Out

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Speaker 1: Tels podcast. I'm your host Rod, joined us always by

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Speaker 1: my co host Kieron, and we are live on a

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Speaker 1: presumably a Tuesday. I'm getting I'm getting my days mixed up.

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Speaker 1: The show I work for we just switched to a

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Speaker 1: five day working week from Wednesday to Saturday, so Sunday,

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Speaker 1: I mean, so now time is just a meaningless thing

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Speaker 1: that applies to everyone else but me. So the only

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Speaker 1: reason I think I know this is Tuesdays because we

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Speaker 1: scheduled this weeks in advance. Is a big day for us.

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Speaker 1: We have two very special guests on the show with us,

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Speaker 1: first time they've been on the show. But I feel

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Speaker 1: like if you're a fan of podcasting and black people,

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Speaker 1: you already know them. But it's Brittany Lewis and Eric Eddings,

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Speaker 1: the duo known for the podcast for Colored Nerds and

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Speaker 1: then the Nod and then for Colored Nerds. You got

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Speaker 1: the trajectory, right, how y'all doing?

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm doing good, so so happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy to be here.

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Speaker 4: I gotta let y'all know, though you know, it's funny

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Speaker 4: because we were so excited when y'all reached out.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember this.

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Speaker 2: Oh you might.

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Speaker 1: I was twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: I don't you remember.

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Speaker 3: Twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 4: We were starting to go from making for colored nerds,

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Speaker 4: you know, as you know, our side hustle, into making

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Speaker 4: the not full time, and we were reaching out to

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Speaker 4: people who.

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Speaker 3: Hosted black podcasts to be like, hey, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, because I mean, you know, the company that we

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Speaker 4: were at, they weren't at that time. They didn't have

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Speaker 4: a lot of resources or will to market toward black people.

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Speaker 2: It was a lot of comps.

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Speaker 4: This might already a lot wasn't, especially not to them.

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Speaker 3: But so we emailed you.

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Speaker 4: Guys, actually the sea really Oh my god, I do

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Speaker 4: not remember this, Like I'm gonna need You're like, look,

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Speaker 4: maybe we can talk about us, like maybe having you

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Speaker 4: on or something like that, but you just sit on

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Speaker 4: a tweet. You were like, y'all gotta have some episodes

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Speaker 4: under your BLT.

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Speaker 3: I was like, hey, I sent you the first episode.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, just that way where black's out there

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Speaker 5: trying to try to make it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were just because now we feel like we

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Speaker 3: made it because.

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Speaker 1: First of all, shout out to shout out to ADHD

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Speaker 1: because now it feels like it was a power move

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Speaker 1: and as if we are somebody you know what I mean, like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll get back to you. But that's no, well no

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Speaker 1: we're not.

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Speaker 6: But it's one thing where because when you do a podcast.

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Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure you guys noticed too.

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Speaker 6: Once you do a podcast, people just bombard you sometimes.

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Speaker 7: And yeah, because me and Roger we actually go look.

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Speaker 6: We actually be like okay, let me see and and

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Speaker 6: we look and we'd be like, oh, you need to

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Speaker 6: get And the thing is it's not being rude, but

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Speaker 6: it's one of those things, but we need to be

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Speaker 6: sure you go stick with it.

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Speaker 1: Well we've been well also we've been we've been burned

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Speaker 1: a few times, like we should just be like come on,

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Speaker 1: And then the person would get there and be like,

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Speaker 1: well we need to do is start the revolution.

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Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I lin water and stuff, like what the

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Speaker 6: hell is this?

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Speaker 1: I trained twice daily. You could use a revolution.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's maybe happening in another parts of.

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Speaker 1: The world, but my lord knows, I mean, listen, change here,

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Speaker 1: get your revolution on. I just don't know that I

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Speaker 1: want to start it on my show, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean? Like, also, you.

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Speaker 3: Don't know any of the tenants.

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Speaker 4: You're finding out, you're finding out real time something you

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Speaker 4: don't even think with it.

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Speaker 1: And it was I mean, we was finding our lives.

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Speaker 1: This is not a joke. Example, brother was like, listen,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna kill these white people. I got the Crossbow show.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because the thing is, y'all, we've been around so

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Speaker 6: long that we've actually, like I just said, we just

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Speaker 6: be really open. All our episodes, all three thousand plus

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Speaker 6: episodes is out there. So it's one of those things

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Speaker 6: where you can go back and you can listen. I

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Speaker 6: don't remember what episode it is, but it was real time.

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Speaker 6: I think we were even live because me and Roger

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Speaker 6: was doing live before it was now we pre skyped live.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 6: We used to have to take the telephone and put

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Speaker 6: it to the speaker and let.

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Speaker 7: It record live like we were old school.

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Speaker 6: We was like we first did an episode, we was like, uh, nigga,

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Speaker 6: how we gonna get this on iTunes?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: It's easy.

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Speaker 6: Now now you could pick up your phone, press record

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Speaker 6: and send it and the ship it goes.

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Speaker 1: Up everywhere technology, and also like it's funny because we've

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Speaker 1: always listened to y'all, so I might I know that

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Speaker 1: was the eighth talking because.

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Speaker 7: It's all good.

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Speaker 4: I definite, we're just we're happy to be here finally

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Speaker 4: talking to y'all. And also too just I mean, if

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Speaker 4: you all hadn't have made your show, especially for as

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Speaker 4: long as you have, it wouldn't really be an avenue

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Speaker 5: So really, well, y'all content workout like it all letters up, man,

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Speaker 5: You're all letters up, you know.

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Speaker 6: And the thing is, it's funny though I kind of

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Speaker 6: I kind of feel that way about you guys, and

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Speaker 6: and and and and this is kind of one of

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Speaker 6: gonna be one of them love and shaller things, you know.

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Speaker 6: So you know, I know some people don't take love.

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Speaker 6: You know you're gonna get this love today. I want

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Speaker 6: y'all to know that. Just watching y'all grow, and watching

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Speaker 6: the podcast grow and watching y'all blow up, it's one

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Speaker 6: of those things where I am a fan of a

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Speaker 6: lot of people. I won't always tell them, but I'm

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Speaker 6: a fan of y'all, and I am the type of

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Speaker 6: fan that always cheer from the corner in the back room.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, like like I'm like, yay,

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Speaker 6: you know, I've always got my pump pumps ready to

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Speaker 6: go all the time and just rooting y'all on. Regardless

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Speaker 6: of what happened. I was like, I know that they're

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Speaker 6: gonna do something great. I don't know what it is,

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Speaker 6: so it's like reverse because if it was not me

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Speaker 7: And get on these platforms to reach out to these people.

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Speaker 7: For me and Roger, we was like, oh, that's something

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Speaker 7: we can do too, you know, because I was like.

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Speaker 6: Almost you have to see somebody accomplish something before you

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Speaker 6: know that you can do it. When we were seeing

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Speaker 6: the things that you guys was doing, we was like, oh, nigga,

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Speaker 6: it's another way to do this.

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Speaker 7: Oh we're getting somebody. I'm not trying to be fund.

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Speaker 7: It's like, oh, bro, expect niggas in these rooms. Oh okay,

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Speaker 7: you can do this and you can do that. So

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Speaker 7: it's one of the things where you guys.

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Speaker 6: Kind of inspired us to be like the worst that

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Speaker 6: could tell me is no, Well then guess what just

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Speaker 6: because you told me no, you know, we can also

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Speaker 6: guess what you tell me. No, I can turn around

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Speaker 6: and I can make an alternate route. I might come ceiling,

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Speaker 6: I might come through the back, Joe, I might even

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Speaker 6: recommend it to get in there.

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Speaker 7: At the end of the day, I'm gonna get in

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Speaker 7: that room.

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Speaker 1: Well, y'all started in twenty fourteen. How did y'all? How

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Speaker 1: did y'all meet?

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Speaker 2: I will tell you how we did.

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Speaker 5: Before first i'd just say thank you don't meant a

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Speaker 5: lot like I mean, y'all. I mean hell, most of

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Speaker 5: our trajectory has been out there in the world, and

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Speaker 5: if you have followed it at all, you know it's.

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Speaker 2: Been an interesting ride.

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Speaker 5: But the thing that I've appreciated so much is just

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Speaker 5: like how much, just how much other black people and

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Speaker 5: black folks in the space have always reached out in

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Speaker 5: support and like, to be straight up, it's crazy to

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Speaker 5: hear y'all say that about us, because to the same

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Speaker 5: point that Britain was making, you know, we saw y'all

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Speaker 5: types of things that we can do, and so, you know,

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Speaker 5: to the point we were making the way black content

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Speaker 5: worked like we are every one person take a step

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Speaker 5: and they're like, all, y'all, we could take a step.

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Speaker 2: And then it's like another person.

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Speaker 5: Go like three three yards further and they're like, all right,

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Speaker 5: well they could do it too, And so you know,

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Speaker 5: it just means everything to us that like folks are

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Speaker 2: And yeah, we all gonna get it. We all get

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Speaker 4: It reminds me of something that Sherry Lee Ralph said

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Speaker 4: about black famous celebrities. Was her, Lorenz Taylor, Red Devine,

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Speaker 3: But she talked about basically.

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Speaker 4: How you know, like she and specifically Wendy Raquel Thompson

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Speaker 4: I think, but also other people have been able to

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Speaker 4: Eissa Ray, but also that like you know, generationally, like

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Speaker 4: those kids stand on their shoulders, they stand on the

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Speaker 4: shoulders and city party in them. But also how they

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Speaker 4: also within the same generation they all kind of you know,

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Speaker 3: She called it family work, and I was like, hmmm,

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Speaker 3: I like that. So that's what this is. Weird. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: It really means a lot to us because because yeah,

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Speaker 4: because this is this is family work. So we're just yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're like excited, y'all see us the way we see you.

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Speaker 1: When we first started in twenty ten, it was like, uh,

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Speaker 1: we were on a few black podcasts just in general,

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Speaker 1: just because it just wasn't a lot of podcasts, and

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Speaker 1: then even less so black, and so a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff that I think people would assume. We were thinking

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Speaker 1: when we started, you know, y'all, what y'all gonna do

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Speaker 1: with this? Y'all gonna do this? We were just like,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk in the other bedroom, and that was

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Speaker 5: You know what.

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Speaker 6: I I modeled for a long time, and it's so weird.

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Speaker 6: I'm model for a long time when people be like,

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Speaker 6: y'all doing some great thoughts, like y'all, look, we just

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Speaker 6: two niggas in the spare bedrooms microphones.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that is I don't know what.

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Speaker 7: To tell y'all, Like like fans was just right.

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Speaker 1: So I think. So I think when we talk about

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Speaker 1: we look up to them. That's what we mean is

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Speaker 1: because it's like some of these ambitions that we have

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Speaker 1: or some of these milestones we reached literally came because

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Speaker 1: we were like, oh you can do that, Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: is racist. I'm just saying his cells don't have black people.

435
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Speaker 1: That's all I mean. If he want to do that, that's.

436
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Speaker 7: You know.

437
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 6: And as my thing is, when we were talking about

438
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 6: likes and don't like, just because I don't like something

439
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 6: does not mean, it does not have the right to.

440
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 7: Exist, and we the world that goes with it.

441
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Speaker 2: I don't like it.

442
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 7: It should not exist and that's not so. And it's

443
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Speaker 7: funny though, how it happens in blackness more than any

444
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 7: of the group.

445
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 6: White people allowed to have all types of jon and

446
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,400
Speaker 6: all types of shit, just all quirky and weird and strange,

447
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 6: and everybody goes, oh, that's just white people of shit,

448
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 6: but Black people go, we're not a monolift, but Lord

449
00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 6: have mercy, don't do something.

450
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 1: We're not famidars and.

451
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 6: That you woke the black cold and how dare you

452
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 6: betray the people? And you're like, but I thought it

453
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 6: was about diversity. And also something else I realized is

454
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 6: that a lot of people have fu more on blackness

455
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 6: and everything is black for all black people.

456
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 7: And the reason why I said is.

457
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 6: Because like, let's say something is cheerful trending and it's

458
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 6: not your ship. Yeah, don't watch it over there? And

459
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 6: did you complain the whole time this ain't your ship?

460
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 6: Why are you here?

461
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 2: That? That is so?

462
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 3: Really I've never seen my brain is smooth, even.

463
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,160
Speaker 5: Just on the timeline, like literally there are times where

464
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Speaker 5: like I would see something that's trending. I would you know,

465
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 5: everybody does that like a minute of work, like, okay,

466
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 5: what happened, let me find out. But then sometimes I

467
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 5: get to that tweet, I'm actually like, actually.

468
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 2: I'm good. I don't need to know anymore.

469
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 5: This is too much and just just going to stress

470
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Speaker 5: me the hell.

471
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: Out and folks can walk away.

472
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 4: That happened in real life a couple of weeks ago.

473
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 4: You're gonna tell me about something that somebody did. It

474
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 4: was like it kind of it was like not it

475
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 4: was newsworthy. It wasn't like just necessarily like you know,

476
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 4: just bullshit gossip or whatever. And you were like, wait,

477
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you about this thing, and I was like, no,

478
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 4: I don't want to know. I was like I don't

479
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 4: want to know, and you were like, but I'm gonna tell.

480
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, no, because you know,

481
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 4: and you seem upset.

482
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 1: Right, So there you go, I don't want to know. Yeah,

483
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: it's the it's the.

484
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 3: Just about it.

485
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 5: It's that feeling I gonna talk about. We're not naming

486
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 5: names for the folks say the chat is.

487
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: That, but yes, it's that feeling that we get. Yeah,

488
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: and then they spent the whole day of movie talking

489
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: my Bruno. But Okay, it's that feeling that we get

490
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: where you smell something that smells bad and you want

491
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: to be like, come smell this.

492
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 7: You know.

493
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: This this is bad, right, You're like, yes, you knew

494
00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 1: it was bad. I don't know why you need me

495
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: smell the three week old Deli meat. Just throw it out,

496
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 1: you know. But I wanted to ask y'all though, like,

497
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: how did y'all meet? Like it was I believe it

498
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: was in college that y'all met, and then how did

499
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: that lead to starting a podcast?

500
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 5: Very waywardly the like literally, so Brittany and I met.

501
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 5: I think it was my sophomore year, her freshman year,

502
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 5: and like what became I think our friend group. We

503
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 5: used to kind of start just like throwing these random parties,

504
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 5: not like I want to say it, just like it's

505
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 5: more like a kickback, more like a glorified like early

506
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 5: twenties kickback. And so we would throw the parties kind

507
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 5: of like on campus or whatnot. And Brittany eventually started

508
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 5: to come and initially we were both were just like

509
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 5: like in each other's space. I think I was very

510
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 5: I'm a very different version of kind of who I

511
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 5: was back then. Brittany to a certain degree is as well.

512
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was very much just like hmm, I

513
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 5: don't know that we were sure about each other, but

514
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 5: the proximity he had us kind of fall in together

515
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 5: very quick. But then so like we get through college,

516
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 5: we ain't nobody talking about creative endeavors. We just you know,

517
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 5: regular like fine students, average students, maybe one would say,

518
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 5: even kind of traversing through you know, Howard. And it

519
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 5: was only after that, uh, you know, I think Brittany

520
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 5: had moved to New York. I've been you know, trying

521
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 5: to like make it here, hadn't quite done it yet,

522
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 5: and you know, we started to have these like conversations

523
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 5: and we were just like, huh, these are really like

524
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 5: these are really fun and they go beyond just like

525
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 5: that time you catch up with your friend, you know.

526
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'd be talking for like six or seven hours

527
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 4: because Ericon likes to talk on the phone, so if

528
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 4: I called him, he would pick up.

529
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 3: And so it's just like he.

530
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 4: Also in the answer text messages, he's sensing a pack

531
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 4: like not responsive, okay, And so now but then I realized,

532
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 4: you know, a good way to get Eric to spend

533
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 4: time with me as if we were earning money.

534
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding.

535
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 2: We didn't make any money for a long time.

536
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no.

537
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 4: We we also would like g chat each other all day,

538
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 4: So we g chat each other all day long, send

539
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 4: each other articles, and back when Google Reader was a

540
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 4: thing for the middle to the elder millennial sennio X people,

541
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 4: we used to send each other articles on Google Reader

542
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 4: and we were just always sharing things that we were

543
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 4: learning with each other and having like deep sustained conversation

544
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,959
Speaker 4: about it. And yeah, then like one day, I think

545
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 4: it was like Black Friday. It was like day after

546
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 4: Thanksgiving twenty thirteen. Eric was we should start a podcast.

547
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 4: I was like no, because there was a very quick

548
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 4: I was like no because I just at that point,

549
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 4: I was like, nobody needs to hear what I'm talking about.

550
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: There's enough.

551
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 3: There's enough. It's enough.

552
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 4: Also, I enjoyed listening to the read and I was like,

553
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 4: how what can I say?

554
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 3: That's more? What can I what is there for me

555
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 3: to say beyond what they said?

556
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: Right?

557
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 3: Nothing to add?

558
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 4: But then we were drinking, and so we kept drinking

559
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 4: some more and I was like okay, and then for

560
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 4: a few months off and on we were trying to

561
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 4: make episodes, but.

562
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 3: Like we didn't understand that, like you really had like.

563
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 4: Make a podcast like a schedule follow through, but it

564
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 4: have uh something to talk about. We were just kind

565
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 4: of doing, you know, doing whatever.

566
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: And yeah, and then we.

567
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 4: Really started for real September of twenty fourteen, and then

568
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: you know, the rest kind of goes out from there.

569
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 3: But it really we were friends for hold on, Oh god,

570
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 3: it was nine years before we started making a podcasts together.

571
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: I think all for me, like most of the podcasts

572
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: that have like co hosts, the show is really about

573
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: the relationship between the host, Like I think, you know,

574
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people think it's about the subject matter.

575
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying these things don't matter, but it's

576
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: really like everyone kind of talks about the same shit,

577
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: you know, Like you know, there's only so much that

578
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: can happen in a week or a month or a

579
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: year most people, you know, it's like, is our get

580
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: Out review? Like is that like definitely someone in the

581
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: play one place you can get this shit? And it's

582
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: really you want to hear me and Karen talk about

583
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 1: get Out now? I want to hear Eric and Brittany

584
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: talk about get out, and I want to hear kid

585
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: if You're and Crystal talk about get out, like it's

586
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: so I really feel like a lot of it is that.

587
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: So the number one thing becomes the dedication. And it's

588
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: just like, are you gonna put this show out? When

589
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: you say it's gonna be out? And that's the hardest thing.

590
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: It's like going to the gym. It's like diety. It's

591
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: like everything that's hard in life that is about routine

592
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: and regiment that is a podcast as well. So when

593
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: we get these people that write it's like, give me

594
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: some advice, I'm like, you ain't gonna like this advice

595
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: because it's the simplest advice and it's the one thing

596
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: you already know and it's just you gotta do it.

597
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 6: One of those things too, I tell people, I say,

598
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 6: when it comes to podcasts, that be truth with yourself.

599
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 7: Is it a hobby or is it something you want

600
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 7: to do?

601
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 6: These two things are completely different. Per Hey, I'm a podcast. No,

602
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 6: you do this shit for a hobby, because every episode

603
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 6: is I'm back.

604
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 7: That is not about it. Every time I hit.

605
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 6: Play, yeah twenty one, week break, your week break, you

606
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 6: do this for a hobby.

607
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, nobody listening. I don't know what your schedule is, babe.

608
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

609
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: The episode description is always like we're back.

610
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: After break, like break, but we're for real time the.

611
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 4: Second anniversary of the last time we came back from break.

612
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, like like one of the things I didn't realize

613
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: you could do. When podcasts started with seasons, I was like, oh,

614
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: that was so smart. They wasn't around we first yet.

615
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: I wish we had known about seasons, you know what

616
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we would just be like.

617
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: Seasons we were I said, we didn't get season til gimblet.

618
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: We didn't. I didn't even get out there.

619
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: That was like.

620
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 5: But then then yeah, right, and then they were like, nah,

621
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 5: y'all can't do that.

622
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: That's for them.

623
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: They were like no, no, no, no, no, y'all gonna come

624
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: out every week because it's not TV. Is not like

625
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: anyone's keeping up with the seasons. So like as a podcast,

626
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: you could be like I just want a month off, Okay,

627
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: season two will start in a month or whatever. You know,

628
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: is the.

629
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: Number one way man that like podcasts, I wish we

630
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 4: all had thought about seasons. Was like, yeah, it was

631
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 4: like because the thing is especially when you first get started,

632
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 4: especially back then when it wasn't a lot of podcasts

633
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 4: out and so there wasn't a lot like once people

634
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: got into your content, they really wanted your content because

635
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 4: there wasn't really like something analogous to that they could

636
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 4: just get into.

637
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: But like we were making, like I mean, if.

638
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 4: I really, if I let me do some math, I'm

639
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 4: not really good at math, but like if I okay,

640
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna divide.

641
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: This by like three years, okay, divided violn.

642
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: I'm curious what I think we made.

643
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 4: Okay, I think we were the first three years we

644
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 4: were making for Color Nerds. We the last year, I

645
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 4: think six months where we had a producer, the producer

646
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 4: that we paid because we wanted to pay her like

647
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 4: a decent a decent little stipend type thing.

648
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 3: She ended up making I think as.

649
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 4: Much, if not more money than we show.

650
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 7: The entire time.

651
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 4: I think it came out to like probably each of

652
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 4: us was making like twenty dollars an episode, and that

653
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 4: money didn't come for two years, right, right, It didn't

654
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 4: come out to that.

655
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: Listen, before we.

656
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 4: Were killing ourselves trying to get these episodes out even

657
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 4: every other week, you know, between relationship, family, commitments, work,

658
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 4: all this stuff like that, so like you'd be really

659
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 4: we were stressing no seasons. We weren't like I did

660
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 4: twenty two this year, I'm done. We were like, we

661
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 4: gotta make an episode every week.

662
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: The people get me when you come into it. Now,

663
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: so much of this stuff has been worked out, like

664
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: monetization and all this stuff, Like it was the wilderness.

665
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: Like we started. It was really like I guess we

666
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: should make a PayPal and then ask people did they

667
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: want to send us money in PayPal? And that was

668
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: literally how we first got money was through people just

669
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: giving us money on PayPal to do the show. And

670
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, now it's like you start to show, it's like, oh,

671
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: just host it on anchor and turn on the ads

672
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: and you know, go monetize it on Patreon and stuff

673
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: like that. So I'm like, yeah, like the whole thing now,

674
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm like one of the people.

675
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: That with merch drops from the from the jump.

676
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 3: Yes they have merch immediately, I'm proud.

677
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: I'm like so happy.

678
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 5: I toiled over which like white T shirt blinks we

679
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 5: were going to use for like weeks trying to figure

680
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 5: out like oh I got to keep the quality if

681
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 5: people actually could buy it.

682
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: So I love I love it. I'm a person that

683
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: paid off their student loans. That is like, oh, y'all,

684
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: y'all giving away free good student loans. Y'all, y'all taking

685
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: away the fruit good. Nobody should have to go through

686
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: that shit.

687
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 6: It sucked, you know what, I'm payments because I was

688
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 6: aways making two thirteen an hour.

689
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 7: I was like, bitch, I hope you don't.

690
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 6: I'm able to had you off a two thirteen an hour, right, y'all.

691
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: So that's how I look at all that stuff like Patreon.

692
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm so happy you can record with your friend now,

693
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: and there's so many different programs zoom all this shit.

694
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: It's just like, shout out to y'all, hope did that.

695
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: So hopefully you don't have to go through that because

696
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: it was crash. Okay.

697
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 5: The thing I will say, though, is even with all

698
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 5: the stuff that has popped up, the biggest advice I

699
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 5: still get people is know how to do every piece

700
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 5: of your stuff like, because the thing about it is

701
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 5: like that that is actually what takes you from like

702
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 5: skill to like to or from hobby to skill, yes,

703
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 5: and to job like you really like there's a level

704
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 5: you have to have an appreciation for, like the detail

705
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 5: that goes into the whole thing, not just like that

706
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 5: one piece of it. So absolutely use all this technology

707
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 5: because it will save you a ridiculous.

708
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: Amount of time.

709
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 5: Yes, oh my god, but still understand how it all

710
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 5: comes together.

711
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: Make sure you don't lose that because like, yeah, oh.

712
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: My god, like not to side like a late nineties

713
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: John Singleton movie. But the one thing they can't take

714
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: from you is your brain, you know what I mean,

715
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: So like if you learned ship because like, man, we'll

716
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: talk about it with y'all as well. But like when

717
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: especially as people are like buying up podcasts, sign it,

718
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: we got deals, we got this, we got that. A

719
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: big thing leverage that they hold over people is like, oh,

720
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: we don't think you know how to do this on

721
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: your own. So at the end of the day, you

722
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: gonna need us. And it's like so refreshing to be

723
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, I'm good, homie. I'll just go back

724
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: to the home studio. If y'all tripping, y'all tripping.

725
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 4: Also, this stuff is so learnable, Like I mean, I'll

726
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 4: say I'm a person who does not know how to

727
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 4: use microsoftic Cell and they taught us in sixth grade,

728
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 4: seventh grade, eighth grade at least.

729
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: How did you pass the class? How'd you pass?

730
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

731
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 4: When I was in college, I don't even know. I

732
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: think they just do always gonna graduate. And they were like, girl,

733
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 4: here's what they give me a C.

734
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: They straight up gave me a B.

735
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 4: I was like, I wasn't because I didn't earn that.

736
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting that.

737
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 4: So, yeah, I don't even know how to use my

738
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 4: Prosoft Excel and using pro Tools, which can seem intimidating

739
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 4: right now, it's this program that's meant to do so

740
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 4: much more than just record people talking and add and

741
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 4: scoring and stuff like that. Yeah, like I know how

742
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 4: to use it, and like I and like I don't

743
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 4: know how to use Hndenburgh. I'm not really good with audition,

744
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 4: but like if I had to learn them, like if

745
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 4: they it's the same basic principle, same thing with Audacity.

746
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 4: Like the reason why I know how to use pro

747
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 4: Tools because Audacity, which is freeze, is pretty simond and

748
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 4: that's what we use for a long time.

749
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: But like that off YouTube literally YouTube videos.

750
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, you also, like I mean a lot of people

751
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 4: professionally who use editing software.

752
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: On YouTube all the time.

753
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 7: Yeah.

754
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: By the way, your it guy work does the same thing.

755
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 2: Hey, you gotta make it you I make it happen.

756
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: How you can? You know, I'm everything.

757
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: I know they'd be taking my I know they'd be

758
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: taking that CPE unit back in the back and turning

759
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: on the YouTube.

760
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 3: It's cool.

761
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 7: And sometimes your doctors do it. They don't always get

762
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 7: their answers.

763
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, doctors YouTube. They finally do because they you know,

764
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: they be like, oh, yeah, symptoms again, will I'll be

765
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: right back, give me. We just need you just relax.

766
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: They gonna come in and take your blood pressure. IM

767
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: gonna be right back. They probably in the back, like, uh, hypertension.

768
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: What that means?

769
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 4: They're recording your voice memos, trying to be like actually,

770
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 4: so wherever there is there is a there is a

771
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 4: This is a story we ended up not doing way

772
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 4: way back, but this guy William Street, and he is

773
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 4: heavily rumored to actually have his black man like way

774
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 4: back in kind of like seventies eighties.

775
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: He's rumored to have actually done that and perform surgery

776
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 5: by looking up the mayals in the in the uh

777
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 5: like in the closet, he would take a break and

778
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 5: go study the may.

779
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: Like it's gotta be people, gotta be possible, It's gotta

780
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: be possible. Now, the one thing what I know they're

781
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: not doing is looking up web MD, because if they

782
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: was doing that, they just come back and be like,

783
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: you gonna die? Yeah, yeah, that's that bone. Yeah you're

784
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: gonna die. Yeah yeah, you're not supposed to have an

785
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: en grownd toe now like that. Dog, I'm sorry, I'm

786
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: sorry right now, I even cut you off. That's actually

787
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: so you said that you know eight that's cancer. Yeah,

788
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: I don't even need to look in that. I checked

789
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: it out in the web MD. You go ahead pay

790
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: the kofa. I know I won't be seeing you again.

791
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: But also, what's the difference for y'all and making Four

792
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: Colored Nerds versus the NOD?

793
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: Hm hmm. To be honest, I mean it's a very

794
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: different show.

795
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 5: So I'll say that much like we we needed a

796
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 5: pretty massive team to make the NOD just because, like

797
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 5: you know, you have for any given story, you're talking

798
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 5: to like multiple people you're trying to figure out like

799
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 5: how to tell it, like what sound stuff it needs.

800
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 2: So that was really like a really.

801
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 5: High, like high highly produced show that did that focus

802
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 5: on like storytelling about other people. I think the nice

803
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 5: thing about for Colored Nerds is it really is kind

804
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 5: of a return to that piece of it that you

805
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 5: that you kind of mentioned, which is just like the

806
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 5: relationship between two friends. So I think you're getting a

807
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 5: lot of the analysis and you know, Baldy might describe curious,

808
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 5: but you're getting a lot of the analysis and a

809
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 5: lot of the way we thought from the non but

810
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 5: just a little more closer to the ground that makes

811
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 5: any sense, Like with the things that we kind of

812
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 5: are all that we all kind of know and love,

813
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 5: as opposed to those stories that we might you know,

814
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 5: where we find that one random black person from there

815
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 5: who had this crazy life and we pull them out.

816
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 5: That's happening a tiny bit less often, and it's more like,

817
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 5: here are the things we've observed, and let me tell

818
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 5: you why you should be thinking about them this way.

819
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that something I would add is like

820
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 4: I think that hmm.

821
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: Okay, Like.

822
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 4: For Colored Nerds, is Eric and I talking to each

823
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 4: other and then not is us talking to other people?

824
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: I mean, we do do a lot more interviews and stuff.

825
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 4: So we are sometimes literally talking to other people, but

826
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 4: it's more like a conversation. It's more like we've let

827
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 4: someone into sort of.

828
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: Like our living room or something like club something, club house,

829
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 3: something like that.

830
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 4: Right, you're having like the little fireside chat type thing, although.

831
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 3: Actually no fire to chat. He's talking to the country.

832
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying, it's a little bit more.

833
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 4: It's just like us talking as people, whereas like the

834
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 4: not is us talking to other people, but also like

835
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 4: more trying to get other people's stories like so on.

836
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 4: For colored nerds, we'll talk about ourselves and like just

837
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 4: shit that's happening with us, or what we think about

838
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 4: something or whatever, Whereas on the nod it's like there

839
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 4: has if we're gonna talk about ourselves, it has to

840
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 4: be a motivation for it, which is fine for me

841
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 4: because I don't tell about myself.

842
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: I'm a scorpio if I know where I'm, where I'm at,

843
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: where I'm doing.

844
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 4: But yeah, we we really wanted to sort of like

845
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 4: it's our gaze turned outward as opposed toward each other

846
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,479
Speaker 4: or focused on a specific topic. We're more so trying

847
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 4: to focus on a specific story or idea and explore

848
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 4: that by going along a journey with either with another

849
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 4: person or with another person through their mind. I guess

850
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 4: in a different way if it's something like an interview

851
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 4: or something like that.

852
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, The Not I love. I love both shows, but

853
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: like The Not always felt to me like an explainer

854
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: almost sometimes, or it's like, you know, y'all might not

855
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: know about this, let me put you onto something real quick,

856
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: because in case I don't know, you know what I

857
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: mean for an explainer for everybody, not necessarily just like

858
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: white people.

859
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for us where we try to make it.

860
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 5: I think it was more so an explainer for us,

861
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying like those I think to

862
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 5: that point, Like, I think an episode that we did

863
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 5: early on was like about grape drink and like, you know,

864
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 5: I don't know about.

865
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: You, but I grew up. I grew up obsessed with

866
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 2: grape drinks.

867
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 5: I don't know why I've always drank purple Gator ready,

868
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 5: but that is just what I have done. And you know,

869
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 5: you look around and you see you might notice a pattern.

870
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 5: I notice a trend along with that, but like where

871
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 5: does that come from for us? And like what does

872
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 5: that actually mean for us? Right? And so I think,

873
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 5: like to that point, it is a bit of an

874
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 5: it it's a little bit less an explainer, but more

875
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 5: so going through the like the adventures and the things

876
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 5: that we are all curious about. Yeah, and if that

877
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 5: makes any sense, And like that piece, I think I

878
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 5: was always really excited by and like excited because like,

879
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 5: you know, now i'd.

880
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: Be talking to you know, I've talking to my friends

881
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: and they talk.

882
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 5: About like, oh, make sure you get the purple, and

883
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 5: in my mind, I'm like, you know, like coming to America.

884
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, I actually know where it comes from.

885
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 5: We can talk about that, and it's nice to be

886
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,479
Speaker 5: able to provide that for.

887
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: And it's curious because I don't know why, but purple

888
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: tastes better than grape, you.

889
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 2: Know what I mean?

890
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: And I like, yeah, I think people think they like grape,

891
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I think you like purple. You know.

892
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 4: But this is the thing, though, this is the thing,

893
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: the thing that blew my mind because Little Inside Baseball.

894
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 4: I think we had to record aspects of the episode

895
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 4: two times because the first time it just wasn't working.

896
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 4: The second time, you guys turned it into a taste

897
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 4: test of this start work. But The thing that freaked

898
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 4: me out the most is like when we finally smell like,

899
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 4: there's this orange oil, was it? Yeah, yeah, I forget.

900
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 4: But it's like a fragrance that smells I've never smelled.

901
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 7: Like.

902
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: If you want to smell like grape, drink. If that's

903
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: the way that.

904
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 4: You want to catch your lover, get some thely oil.

905
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 4: Put it on the post points because that will do it.

906
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: I smell that. It was like since when we took

907
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: me back.

908
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 4: But one time I did have a grape and it

909
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 4: tastes like grape.

910
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: It tastes like purple?

911
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 7: What?

912
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 4: And it blew my mind because regular grapes don't taste

913
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 4: like right? It was a what kind of grape?

914
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: Boys?

915
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 4: It was a concord grape, Yes, kind of with the

916
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 4: big fat seeds on the Oh, the taste of a

917
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 4: concordate because that when I ate it, it freaked me

918
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 4: out because I was like, this is not how grape

919
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: is supposed to taste.

920
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 3: This is how purple tastes.

921
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 5: Because people don't really eat concord grapes, don't. That's not

922
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 5: what we're used to feel.

923
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: Terrible on your teeth. You could have crass a tooth

924
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: trying to eat concord.

925
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 4: Hit that seed, you're gonna lose the tooth exactly, or

926
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 4: you go down the windpipe.

927
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 3: It's very things they feel like about the size of it.

928
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, grape and purple are so different. I had a

929
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: Welch's grape soda the other day and I devoured that

930
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: ship because I haven't had one in so long.

931
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 3: Did you have it in the can or in a bottle?

932
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't a bottle. I didn't know they made that. Like,

933
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: I like, I've popped that thing open because I ain't

934
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: had one so long. I was like, you never you know,

935
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: it's good when you drink and you look at it

936
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: like I did that right?

937
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: You gotta like, oh, bro, is this like?

938
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 1: Okay?

939
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: They change it?

940
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 5: That's me with Tahitian treat treat I don't know what

941
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 5: they put in that soda, but oh my god, one

942
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 5: hasn't changed for fifty years, and it shouldn't never.

943
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: It shouldn't make soda like that called rock and ride

944
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 4: that that Fago makes.

945
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. Some people in the Middwest can happen.

946
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 4: I know definitely Detroit Officely, Michigan, we have Fago, But

947
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 4: it is I think like a black cherry soda or

948
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 4: something like that. I actually don't know what flavor it is.

949
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 4: I've been asking you for years. I'm like, what flavor?

950
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 4: My cousin rocking a rise rock and ries that mean

951
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 4: it is the most I only really get to have

952
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 4: on once every couple of years, but every time it

953
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 4: just n locks. Yeah, and then the pizziness get it too,

954
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 4: So it's like, listen, it was the perfect code.

955
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: It was, like I really was. I remember, I'm gonna

956
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: remember that soda for a while, you know what I mean?

957
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: It was that good.

958
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: So I try to remember them all, not only purple red.

959
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 6: Red red would be another one to dig into, because

960
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 6: like I remember when Roger was here, they had like

961
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 6: a food truck and they had like some icy's. I

962
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 6: hadn't had an icy flable, and the lady asked me

963
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 6: what kind of flavor I wanted, and Lord have mercy.

964
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 7: Before I knew it, I turned to a kid, I

965
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 7: said red.

966
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 2: And she understood, exactly what.

967
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: What else is it? What's the fruit? It actually is?

968
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 5: There's red, cherry and strawberry, all of those are red flavors,

969
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 5: but red.

970
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: Is its own thing on its own. Red is like

971
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: more punchy.

972
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, fruit punchy, where strawberry and cherry are very different.

973
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: So it's like I feel you.

974
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to be careful because I order jack,

975
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: I'll be like, let me get a Fanta red. But

976
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: now they got those machines inside that can make every

977
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: flavor of Fanta, so I had to be specific. And

978
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: remember I was like, she's like, what do you mean strawberry?

979
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: I was like, no, red, what there's not other reds?

980
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: What's happening right now?

981
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 6: Yeah?

982
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: I didn't right, well they do now in those super

983
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: duper machines.

984
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 5: Because they have everything like yeah, okay, yeah, it's a

985
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 5: little they're they're intimidating.

986
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a little overwhelming. Like when people behind me

987
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: in line, I'll panic. I'll be like, uh, just sprite, sprite,

988
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: just fucking I don't want no problems. But it's so

989
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: many choices.

990
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 5: I will say as a person who used to I

991
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 5: don't know if y'all used to do this, but like

992
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 5: I would make I would mix so free machine that

993
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 5: I had a I would have never tried this normally,

994
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 5: but I had an orange vanilla doctor Pepper. I was

995
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 5: like sure, And to be honest, it wasn't bad. It

996
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 5: was like it was wild sweet, but it wasn't bad.

997
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 5: And I taste it.

998
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: When nobody is there behind me at the Cadova and

999
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: I just got the machine to myself. Then, like I

1000
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: get that, I'm like motherfucking doctor Robotnic because I'm like, no,

1001
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: I combined this ship with this shit. I'm about to

1002
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: make gravy. I don't care. But when it's somebody behind

1003
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: me'all just be like.

1004
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 3: Coke, coke, I don't.

1005
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I don't know what I was thinking. I

1006
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: got above my head. It's taken too long, so has podcasting.

1007
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: Because y'all have been in podcasting is twenty fourteen. I'll

1008
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: been friends nine years before that. Have y'all ever had

1009
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: y'alls friendship tested through this journey of podcasting?

1010
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, I mean think as we work.

1011
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 4: Together every day, I think that if you know anybody,

1012
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 4: if you're around okay, it's a second. It's like any

1013
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 4: other relationship where you're with somebody all the time. People

1014
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 4: like my mom got tired of me when I was

1015
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 4: growing up. I don't really get tired of her, but

1016
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 4: I know she got tired of me. I know that,

1017
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 4: Like you know I mean, my fing, I really get

1018
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: to get along all the time, but I know sometimes

1019
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 4: I yeah, actually I don't get tired of him, but

1020
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 4: I know he gets tired of me sometimes. It's not

1021
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 4: a two ways making it sound good for myself, but

1022
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 4: I mean, anytime you spend that much time around somebody

1023
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 4: and you're trying to get something done, there's always gonna

1024
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 4: be some sort of conflict. But it was never like

1025
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 4: it's not like it's not existential. I think because we

1026
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 4: have been friends for so long, it's never just like

1027
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 4: Ah is off the rails or something I'm gonna leave

1028
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 4: out and slam the doors or anything like that. Like

1029
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 4: a normal amount I think of like conflict, but nothing

1030
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 4: like super wild.

1031
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying to think even though, like I'm trying

1032
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 5: to think of maybe like one or two that we

1033
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 5: have had that felt like they got like deep, but

1034
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 5: even then I feel like they were mostly resolved like

1035
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 5: that day typically, you know, or like with a conversation later.

1036
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 5: I mean to Brittany's point, like you know, like, look,

1037
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 5: I know Brittany asked for so long, you know what

1038
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like there's stuff that she knows about my

1039
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 5: life that I've forgotten. I don't even remember I fear,

1040
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 5: but you try to start start put fear in my heart.

1041
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 5: But but seriously to that point, like you know, this

1042
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 5: podcast stuff, it is fun. Obviously it has changed my career,

1043
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 5: changed my life, but like I'm still trying to kick

1044
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 5: it with my friends, you know what I'm saying. I

1045
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 5: still want my my social group. And I think that

1046
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 5: has always helped us put like certain things in priority

1047
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 5: in terms of how we talk about it. But then

1048
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 5: in addition to that, I think we also one thing

1049
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 5: that we do is have a pretty high amount of

1050
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 5: empathy for where the other person is at. And so

1051
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 5: like you know, if like there's a week where BRINGING

1052
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 5: ain't really got it, you know what I'm saying, Like

1053
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 5: that's a week where I might have it, and then

1054
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 5: you know, vice versa. And so it's allowed us to

1055
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 5: kind of like it's allowed us to make space and

1056
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 5: to like be there for each other in a process

1057
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 5: that is reflective that of the fact that humans are

1058
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 5: in it, right, So like you know, I mean, look

1059
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 5: I I you know, I when we were making a note,

1060
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 5: I got divorced at one point, you know, and like

1061
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 5: I was in a rough place for a little bit,

1062
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 5: you know, as anybody.

1063
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: Would be, but it meant so much.

1064
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 5: Should not only have like our team that understood, but

1065
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 5: I was like, I have my friend who understood as well.

1066
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 5: To be able to make space for that, to be

1067
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 5: able to be like, hey, why are you here? There

1068
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 5: was one point I try to show back up to

1069
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 5: work and Rene was just like, why are you actually?

1070
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: Because I had told you not to come and then

1071
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 3: you walking in and I'm like, I was like, what

1072
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: was it?

1073
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 2: Give me something to do?

1074
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 3: She'm like, go home, being at home, that's what you do.

1075
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, no, I mean the other thing too,

1076
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 4: is like I'll say, even just from like a like

1077
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 4: a different perspective for people who might be thinking about

1078
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 4: professionalizing something that they work on with a friend. If

1079
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 4: the more you professionalize something, the more people are at it.

1080
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 4: You all could not be cutting up and acted a

1081
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 4: fool in front of other people and expect to be

1082
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 4: taken seriously, expect to get work done, and expect to

1083
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 4: like set a positive dynamic on your team. If you

1084
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 4: are if you can't deal with each other, it just

1085
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 4: is not gonna work. Because, yeah, you want to be

1086
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 4: in a professional and you want to maintain a professional

1087
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 4: environment like above all else at some points, you know

1088
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 4: what I mean, when you're working with other people.

1089
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: Also, like for us, we were in.

1090
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 4: A position where because we were coming because we were

1091
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 4: kind of newer to podcasting the many of our colleagues.

1092
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 4: We especially when we were having building out the team

1093
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 4: for our show The Not there were some aspects wherein

1094
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: not just cultural right to some people that we had

1095
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 4: on the team were not black, but there were some

1096
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 4: aspects where we knew a lot more there like but

1097
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 4: also like the show was ours, so of course there's

1098
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 4: some aspects where we know more than everybody else on

1099
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 4: the team, but there's a lot of other aspects where

1100
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 4: people skills, wives knew more than we did. And you

1101
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 4: can't be like if you're cutting up and acting a

1102
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 4: fool and don't know how to get along or whatever,

1103
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 4: then you're not Also you're going to cut yourself off

1104
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 4: from an opportunity to learn if you're coming from like

1105
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 4: how we you know, how we started, which is just

1106
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 4: like at home and stuff like that.

1107
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: Together.

1108
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was always I would say it

1109
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 5: was always really important to justify the endeavor with our work,

1110
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like we were always willing

1111
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 5: to do whatever we needed to do to make sure

1112
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 5: that the show was in the best shape possible. And

1113
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 5: I think that like when you get in that environment

1114
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 5: with other people, you know what I'm saying, they see

1115
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 5: that and they want to work towards that, and that,

1116
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 5: to be honest, is also a little bit of a

1117
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 5: level of like accountability for all of you, for all

1118
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 5: of you, you know, like bringy would help me, you

1119
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like we're we're working together to

1120
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 5: make sure that we can actually lead this team. I

1121
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 5: don't know, we want to give black folks nothing, you

1122
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So we were like we got

1123
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 5: you know, we want to design a process that allows

1124
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 5: us to do what we think makes the best like

1125
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 5: product and content, but also to do that in a

1126
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 5: way that like you know, we can all continue to

1127
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 5: be people who have like real lives and like you know,

1128
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 5: this isn't the most important thing in the.

1129
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 6: Right And I think for me and Roderick, something that

1130
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 6: we did, we treated what we did like.

1131
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 7: A job before it became a job.

1132
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, that's a very hard concept because in like

1133
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 6: with you guys, when you make something look easy, everybody

1134
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 6: think that they can do it until they get behind

1135
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 6: the wheel and everybody like, whoa, they was going.

1136
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 7: Seventy miles an hour.

1137
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 6: It was like, well, I made it look easy, and

1138
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 6: I've been doing this for a long ass time. Because

1139
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 6: the thing is me and Roderick, and I know it

1140
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 6: might sound strange, we've actually slowed down because people who

1141
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 6: used to listen to us. At first, we recorded every holiday,

1142
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 6: We didn't take weeks off. We went from you know,

1143
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 6: we actually increased from one day a week to two

1144
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 6: days a week, to three days a week to five

1145
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 6: days a week, and we five days a week once

1146
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 6: we went premium. And the thing is, we had to

1147
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 6: tell ourselves, hey, it's okay to take a week off

1148
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 6: here and here and now, because we would go like

1149
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 6: long periods of time and we wouldn't take breaks and

1150
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 6: we wouldn't take time off, and we would just like

1151
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 6: go go go go, go, go, go go go, And

1152
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 6: we had to learn, like, and it's a balance there.

1153
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: I think we thought we had to outwork so many

1154
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: people like, oh, well, if we're always here, then people

1155
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: will come doing it. And you know, obviously over the

1156
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: years realized well that's not true. Look at these motherfuckers.

1157
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: They doing shit whenever they want to do it, and

1158
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: they're doing just fine. We clearly overshot what we were

1159
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: trying to do, but it took years for us to

1160
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: learn that. But the thing that strikes me is like,

1161
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: when you have a relationship outside of the podcast, I

1162
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: think the show is better if it's like, whether I

1163
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: have a podcast or not, me and this person will

1164
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: always be in each other's lives, and that it's like

1165
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: a symbiotic thing that makes the podcast keep working. Is

1166
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: that it's not just I feel you can almost hear

1167
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: when people are like, I'm just here so I don't

1168
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: get fine and I just want to do this show?

1169
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: Can you know what I mean? Like you like, I

1170
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: listen to shows where I'm just like, y'all could have

1171
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: took this week off.

1172
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: I don't.

1173
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: It's fine. I hope y'all are okay in real life.

1174
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 6: I hope y'all, like you know, hope y'all turn the

1175
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 6: mics and cuss everybody.

1176
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: In the room out.

1177
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 7: You can't hear though.

1178
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 3: You can't hear though, even if it's not like a

1179
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 3: day or anything.

1180
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 4: Sometimes people are just put together, you know what I

1181
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 4: mean to make a show, and you can absolutely it's rough.

1182
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 7: It's rough when people don't like each other, don't get

1183
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 7: along and they're pretending.

1184
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 6: But what they fail to realize me as a listener,

1185
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 6: because me and Roger both listen to hundreds popularly thousands

1186
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 6: of podcasts and because of that, people chemistry matter people.

1187
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 6: But like this, I love to feel like I am

1188
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 6: dropping in on a phone conversation that y'all having. That's

1189
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 6: how it's like, y'all picked up the phone started talking

1190
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 6: and I'm like, oh, wait a minute, somebody talking on

1191
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 6: the phone.

1192
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 7: And I was just like, well, well.

1193
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 6: Shit, then I'm gonna found the tele I'm gonna listen

1194
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 6: to what And I like those type of conversations we

1195
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 6: don't like you like that energy can be and sometimes or.

1196
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 7: You can pretend, but you can only pretend for so long.

1197
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 7: Eventually they fall Well.

1198
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: The show, I mean, shows become work and that's just

1199
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: like that's just a big thing for everybody. Once it

1200
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: kind of becomes like a job, like you are expected

1201
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: to be here at a certain time, as y'all brought up.

1202
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: When you have a team, now you're kind of a boss,

1203
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: and then you probably have a boss, so like it's

1204
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: a different dynamic than like we were just hanging out

1205
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: kicking it every because we wanted to. Now, somebody job

1206
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: depend on us hanging out kicking it and sounded like

1207
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: we want to do this, So you know, it's a

1208
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: little pressure.

1209
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 5: It's a little pressure, but that I think that's also

1210
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 5: why it's important to really think through like how you

1211
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 5: make what you make, you know.

1212
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.

1213
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 5: One of the things that I think was really important

1214
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 5: that you know that we didn't lose when we were

1215
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 5: making the nine is like making the NOD was fun, Like,

1216
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 5: don't get twisted.

1217
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: It was a lot of work.

1218
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 5: It was an insane amount of work, oh my god,

1219
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 5: but it was so fun and it was important for

1220
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 5: us to make sure that we didn't lose that as

1221
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 5: a part of making it, because we also thought that

1222
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,959
Speaker 5: that translates when you hear it, you know what I'm saying,

1223
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 5: Like there were times we couldn't cut shit because we

1224
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 5: was laughing, and you know what I'm saying, it's cross

1225
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 5: talk from laughing and like, you know, that is a

1226
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 5: to me, that's the best problem to have because I

1227
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 5: think the audience is going to feel that energy and

1228
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 5: like they're going to be right there with you. So

1229
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, folks really have to like understand

1230
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 5: like working on chemistry and understanding where somebody is and

1231
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 5: how we work together, like to keep that fun in

1232
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 5: your process. Yes, not in your product. In your process

1233
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 5: makes all the difference in the world. So like for

1234
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 5: how you do everything.

1235
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: So what was it like working with a team? Like

1236
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: going from like it's just us to okay, now we

1237
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: got well it's just us and the producer that makes

1238
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: as much as us per episode, to now we got

1239
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: like a team like like I know, writing for this

1240
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: TV show their ship where they're just like, yeah, you

1241
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: need to talk to legal before you could put this out.

1242
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: You know, there's times where I'm like, I don't know

1243
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: how to write this to make this short, but we

1244
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: can put a montage together and as a team that

1245
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: goes and gets the video and does that shit for So, like,

1246
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: what were the good and the bad for working with

1247
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: a team of people?

1248
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 4: I Mean, one thing I will say is that when

1249
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 4: we were working on the NOD podcast, our team was

1250
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 4: pretty I mean, it was much larger than what we'd

1251
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 4: have before, but it was still pretty small like at

1252
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 4: most we ever had.

1253
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: But y'all still black. Y'all still do a black show,

1254
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: so you know, team not gonna be TV exactly.

1255
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 4: I mean literally you see other people with like their

1256
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 4: teams with eleven twelve people on it, and they'd be like, yeah,

1257
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 4: y'all got to get rid of somebody else, Like okay,

1258
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 4: but it's just me and Erica.

1259
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 3: Like we did get to four.

1260
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 5: Though, including us, which was including too, so it's like,

1261
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 5: you know it's not.

1262
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 3: But we So we started. I started working at Gimblet

1263
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 3: hosted this show called Sampler.

1264
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 4: It was like they wanted to make a podcast podcast.

1265
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 3: And Eric was came on as a development producers.

1266
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 4: So working on shows like Mogo on Civil and so

1267
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 4: we had had like some experience working with teams and

1268
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 4: basically the team from Sampler was mostly the basis I.

1269
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 3: Say mostly the basis. It was the same pie.

1270
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 4: We added some more people once we were we had

1271
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 4: resources we were able to add. We were added obviously,

1272
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 4: we added Eric. When we got resources, we added Eric,

1273
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 4: and then we uh yeah that we added.

1274
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 3: A couple more producers and things like that. Like I said,

1275
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 3: most of the time it was four people plus like

1276
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: a part.

1277
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 4: Time editor or editor that we would share with other teams,

1278
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 4: and an engineer that that we had our time.

1279
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 3: It was great, great engineering working on the no.

1280
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 4: But full time staff who were the people who were

1281
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 4: like producing cutting, booking stuff that was for people including us.

1282
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 3: It was like, I don't know one thing.

1283
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 4: One thing that was cool was that like sometimes well

1284
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 4: there's always so much work to do that like it

1285
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 4: wasn't really this thing of be like, oh.

1286
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 3: Get do this and the stuff would be done.

1287
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 4: It was like I could tell you to do this,

1288
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 4: but I would also have my own shit to do.

1289
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 4: It was like we were all in this shit together.

1290
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 4: The sort of aspect of like having legal or marketing teams. Truthfully,

1291
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 4: when we started at Gimla, we were so early that

1292
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 4: they didn't have any of that shit, Like they didn't

1293
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 4: have a marketing person at the company until we had

1294
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 4: been working there for probably two or three years. Like

1295
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 4: the NOD was over a year old before they hired

1296
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 4: someone in marketing. And even them, me still had to

1297
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 4: beg I mean, don't see now, don't let me get

1298
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 4: into the store, because it almost started talking about the

1299
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 4: time we paid ten thousand dollars to have a bunch

1300
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 4: of black people in Chicago. Do uh, what is the

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Speaker 4: word I'm thinking of, Eric, what's the word I'm thinking.

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Speaker 2: Of, uhh, the focus groups. Focus group.

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01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they were like, something wrong with y'all show.

1304
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 4: We got to get a focus group. So they paid

1305
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 4: ten black people from Chicago to listen to the show.

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01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 5: I oh, they got a lot. Honestly, it was shout out.

1307
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 4: Because I'm like, this is a good hustle, and basically

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01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 4: all my people like I would.

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Speaker 3: They said too.

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Speaker 4: They said one thing where they were like, there's not

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Speaker 4: black faces on the on the art, which was like, okay,

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01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 4: that's kind of helpful.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point.

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01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 4: They were like, we didn'tdn't know it was black because

1315
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 4: there was no black faces on the on the show art.

1316
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 3: We're like, okay, cool. But the other thing that they

1317
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 3: said was they were like, this show is really good.

1318
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 3: I just hadn't heard of it. If y'all market it,

1319
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 3: I would listen to this show. And I was like,

1320
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 3: y'all paid money.

1321
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 4: Y'all paid marketing, but actual marketing budget to And I

1322
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 4: told them, I said, it's ten niggas right here, excuse me,

1323
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,479
Speaker 4: right here, we can listen to the show.

1324
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 7: That's how we can listen to the show.

1325
01:00:58,960 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 3: I can tell you what's in it.

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01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: You know, could have took up you could have did

1327
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 2: it that in the results so fast.

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01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 5: We were just like, this feels like a good takeaway.

1329
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like huh, like they legit could have

1330
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: they legit could have did an audience survey, got those

1331
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: answers and gave y'all ten thousand dollars to market the show.

1332
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: And that's and so much of podcasting is marketing. Like

1333
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: when we were with Spotify for like a year, we

1334
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: it was like exclusive Spotify blah blah blah. And so

1335
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: they were and I think we were just really part

1336
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: of experiment, Like they're they're signed multiple shows. They kind

1337
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: of wanted to see like what how how what kind

1338
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: of market like your show loss and audience, what what

1339
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: it could gain via the Spotify tools and all that.

1340
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's like very experimental, experimental stuff. And then

1341
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: covid hit, So I know that changed a lot of

1342
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: the plans because there's like all this marketing and ship

1343
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: that they were going to do to they was like, oh, motherfuckers,

1344
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: communion person never mind. But one of the things that

1345
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: was absolutely true was anytime they promoted us on the app,

1346
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: fun the numbers just wait right through right to the top.

1347
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, look, we're a top five podcast today.

1348
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: What the fuck happened? Is like, Oh, we did a

1349
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: little experiment we like, you know, would promote your show

1350
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: whenever people logged in if they listen to similar shows.

1351
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, why do it again? Why not just do

1352
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: that every day?

1353
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 3: What if it happened like every week, every day everything?

1354
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, why not just do that? Because it really

1355
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: don't matter what we do. It's not the length of

1356
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: the show. It's not how much we put it out.

1357
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: You are the ones with the finger on the button,

1358
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: and I feel like we're being measured by how much

1359
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: you push your finger down, which kind of is what

1360
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: that ten thousand dollars focus group feels like, where it's like, guys,

1361
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: just push your finger down on the button and let's

1362
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: just get these listeners up right.

1363
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 3: And I was like crying inside because I was like,

1364
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 3: this is a lot of money. We could have used it.

1365
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 4: We could have maybe I don't know, maybe we could

1366
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 4: have got some more might have helped us put toward

1367
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, toward the internal yes support, or I could.

1368
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 5: Have gone there were some stories we wanted to report

1369
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 5: that we started to like slow down, we're traveling we

1370
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 5: were just, yeah, traveling.

1371
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 4: That's very true after a while, because we couldn't travel

1372
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 4: to go report and do certain things.

1373
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 3: And that was one of the best parts I think that.

1374
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 4: Really sat our show apart, was that we actually would

1375
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 4: go out into the world and go talk to people

1376
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 4: who were doing stuff that you couldn't capture just if

1377
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 4: you were talking in the studio or whatever.

1378
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, you know, also, like it's interesting

1379
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 3: what you just said about experiment. I always still experiment.

1380
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 3: It always feels like an experience with marketing, right shit,

1381
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 3: But you know, we're in a better, much better situation.

1382
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 5: But the thing, the thing I would come back and

1383
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 5: say is like just about the actual team that we had.

1384
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,919
Speaker 5: I think, like for like working in podcasting, also even

1385
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 5: working on like we had a Quibi show for a

1386
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 5: little while working on a Quibi show, I enjoyed that

1387
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 5: more than like anything I can truly describe to you,

1388
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 5: because so much of this is like I don't like

1389
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 5: if you if it's not just a hobby to you,

1390
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 5: you are actually a bit of a nerd about this shit,

1391
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like you're interested, you're curious

1392
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 5: how it all comes together, how the sausage is made

1393
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 5: all of that. And the thing I'll say is like

1394
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 5: I learned something about this industry and about the craft

1395
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 5: from every single person who I got to work with,

1396
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 5: and to be honest.

1397
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: A bunch of things from many of them.

1398
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 5: And like that piece of the process of just being

1399
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 5: able to sit, being able to sit and learn how

1400
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 5: to do your thing better with people who are doing

1401
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 5: that with you, Oh my god.

1402
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, I hope everyone gets that opportunity.

1403
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Like, it's never really a slight to

1404
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,919
Speaker 1: the individuals because I think people that's on your team

1405
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: is on your team, and if they're there, they're normally

1406
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: committed to whatever the vision is, right, So, but just

1407
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, in general, I think it's a black podcaster

1408
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to look around sometimes and be like so

1409
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: and so just got a twelve million dollar deal and

1410
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,439
Speaker 1: you're like they had that money. Like I about y'all

1411
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: they had money, hold.

1412
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 3: Up, right, I Mean. The thing is it's also too

1413
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 3: because like it's that's so funny.

1414
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 4: You mentioned twelve million dollars or maybe one hundred million dollars.

1415
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 4: There's two functionally to someone getting one hundred million dollars,

1416
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 4: there's functionally no difference between a hundred million dollars and

1417
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 4: ninety eight million dollars, And it's like they could just

1418
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 4: give you, I don't know, one hundred thousand and fifty thousand,

1419
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 4: do what you need to do for that year, so

1420
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,439
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, and it's like it would

1421
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 4: be no skin off of you know, nothing. But I mean,

1422
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 4: to Eric's point, like the thing that really, I mean,

1423
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 4: you couldn't read all about it whatever I hear, all

1424
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 4: about our struggles working within a larger organization like a

1425
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 4: corporate structure, or even before it was bought by a corporation,

1426
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 4: working with management.

1427
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 3: Try to get them to understand.

1428
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 4: What we were doing, even though they need to be

1429
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 4: explained to lots of people. Right, our actual team of

1430
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 4: a producers and editors and engineers, like the people who

1431
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 4: actually were in the shit with us and helping us,

1432
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 4: like helping us making the show with us. Those people

1433
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 4: were incredible, Like we made so many you know, amazing

1434
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 4: friends and everything like that from that time. That like

1435
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 4: the process of I don't know, there's something really beautiful

1436
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 4: about having this vision that we had together, right, and

1437
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 4: you know, it's kind of scary, I think on some

1438
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 4: level too, to try to open up and share that

1439
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,919
Speaker 4: and try to or really to try to explain something

1440
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 4: that we didn't really have to explain to each other

1441
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 4: to other people.

1442
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 3: That's scary.

1443
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 4: But then to have other people fuck with it and

1444
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 4: then find ways to show show us how we could

1445
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 4: make it better and how we could get better and

1446
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 4: we could take things further.

1447
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 3: That was so cool.

1448
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 4: We had so many people who were so generous and

1449
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 4: so smart, who were willing to share their knowledge and

1450
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 4: creativity with us to help make a show that was

1451
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 4: really our baby better.

1452
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that part was really cool.

1453
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, seeing that on the show, working on seeing that

1454
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: for the first time that that's been like super education.

1455
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: I keep asking everybody, like what their job is, how

1456
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: does it do? How does it work? Like what do

1457
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: you like? This One woman came in she's like the

1458
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: like she's the producer on the day of the show

1459
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: that like edits everything, records, everything, all that stuff, And

1460
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: she just came in the office and ask like a

1461
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: quick question and then she ended up being in there

1462
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: for like thirty minutes because I was like, okay, but

1463
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: hold up. I was reading the daily I was reading

1464
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: the daily load out schedule and She's like, you read that.

1465
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: I was like, why why isn't everyone reading this? Like

1466
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: it seemed like the most important thing what's gonna happen today,

1467
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: doesn't Okay, so I'm not only reading it? Fine, what

1468
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 1: does this mean? What is this this term mean? I've

1469
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: never heard it before? And she like broke down, like, oh,

1470
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: we record up this place if all.

1471
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 7: This because they'd be like I can share shit.

1472
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, all this information goes back here and we edit

1473
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: it here and we look at it this and we

1474
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: send it back and it's got to be done by

1475
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: this time and then it could broadcast on HBO. But

1476
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: if we're not, if we don't have it done about five,

1477
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: it's this and we can cut this and we can

1478
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: add this. And she's like going off, and I'm just

1479
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: trying to remember all this stuff because I'm like, now

1480
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: I know what you do. You yes, today, before this conversation,

1481
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: you were the lady that had it office next to mine.

1482
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: Now I know you're Nancy, the woman who does all

1483
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: of this stuff. And I think that knowledge also teaches

1484
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: me so that if I go somewhere else, or even

1485
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: if I just take it back and we do something ourselves,

1486
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: that's something I did not know before. And I think

1487
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: when you talk about having a team of people who

1488
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: are there to like support teach you, da da da,

1489
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: that's the opportunity. They can't not once again, they can't

1490
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: take the knowledge away of what you learned from that conversation.

1491
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 3: So true, it's so true, and also too like you.

1492
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,919
Speaker 4: You also like when you get into a position of leadership,

1493
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 4: going back to even what you were saying earlier, Eric

1494
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 4: about like knowing how to do certain things. You know

1495
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 4: what you're asking somebody to do, so you're not gonna

1496
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 4: ask someone hopefully you're not gonna ask someone or purposely

1497
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 4: ask somebody who is maybe cutting something for you or

1498
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 4: or needs to prepare a script or something like that,

1499
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 4: to do something to do like a miracle turnaround every Wedey,

1500
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 4: you know, because you know how long it takes. Additionally,

1501
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 4: when you ask somebody else to do something and it's like, no,

1502
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 4: I know how long it takes.

1503
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: I know, Yeah, I'm gonna get that. I'm gonna get

1504
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: to that to you in about six days, like m

1505
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: I heard it turn around with twenty four hours. But okay, actually, okay.

1506
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 7: Actually you over here book exactly.

1507
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 2: Right.

1508
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 6: And also it's a thing about, uh, how do you

1509
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 6: deal with well, well, you kind of answered the question,

1510
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 6: but when you know, how how do you deal with knowing.

1511
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 7: That you don't know?

1512
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 6: Because you know, sometimes when people get to the point where, yeah,

1513
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 6: I can know this, but this is your expertise, like

1514
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,520
Speaker 6: you actually got a degree and you went to school

1515
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 6: and they kind of input in that, how how do

1516
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 6: you kind of take that because not people don't take

1517
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 6: that good because they feel like they know everything because

1518
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 6: like issue baby.

1519
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think the big thing is like

1520
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 5: you have to figure out how to have a bit

1521
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 5: of distance from it, Like I want a lie to you.

1522
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 5: So I made my first story. I toiled over. This

1523
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 5: eventually became like Deacons I wrote, Oh my god, I

1524
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 5: stayed in I think I stayed in a studio for

1525
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 5: at least a week and a half on that first draft,

1526
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 5: like from come in nine to like when I left

1527
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 5: at like five or six or whenever, and just putting

1528
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 5: together a draft. I'm thinking, I'm like, I'm making it,

1529
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 5: I'm doing it. I'm working in.

1530
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 2: Podcasting, y'all, And.

1531
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 5: You know, I get to my first edit and like,

1532
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 5: this is something I didn't know about, like at least

1533
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:44,440
Speaker 5: editing at the place where we worked.

1534
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 2: It was brutal, like it got it.

1535
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,440
Speaker 5: We do group edit, so like literally you kind of read,

1536
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 5: you read the narration and then you play the piece

1537
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 5: of tape that's supposed to come from the quote, and

1538
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 5: you just do that to you get through the whole thing.

1539
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 5: And when I say, folks, I ripped it to shreds,

1540
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 5: like I dead ass left. I was like, one, you

1541
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 5: don't know what you're talking, Like, you know what I

1542
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 5: just talking about. I made this, this is perfect, and

1543
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 5: you're telling me I need to write rewrite three fourths

1544
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 5: of it and rearrange the other quarter. I don't understand, like,

1545
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 5: and so I would go and you know, for it's worth.

1546
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 5: After that initial edit, I went bathroom, I let a rip,

1547
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 5: I cried. But as I started to rewrite it, I

1548
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 5: started to recognize where it could be better. And there's

1549
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 5: a there's a dissonance that is really hard to nail.

1550
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 5: And that is what is the part I need to

1551
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 5: own that can't change? And there is what do I

1552
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 5: need to surrender to the people who know how it

1553
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 5: should change.

1554
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: And that is a.

1555
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 5: Really uncomfortable tension because, like you know, there are parts

1556
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 5: about that story that I was like no, no, no, no, no, no,

1557
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 5: that that piece of tape has to stay this the

1558
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 5: way we wrote it. No no, no, no no, that's

1559
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 5: how it has to be written. But you can't be

1560
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,759
Speaker 5: so like intense about that that you're not allowing yourself

1561
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 5: to learn and allowing somebody else to help help push

1562
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 5: you in a slightly better direction.

1563
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 2: So it's like a lot.

1564
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 5: Of just like take take some feedback, and then go

1565
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 5: sit for a minute, you know, listen to like, you know,

1566
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,799
Speaker 5: listen to some Kendrick, maybe the like more angrier Kendrick, whatever,

1567
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 5: you know that you that like, whatever gets to you,

1568
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 5: whatever does it for you, and then come back to

1569
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 5: that feedback with something like with a new perspective. And

1570
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 5: that'll usually tell you whether or not it's something you

1571
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 5: should engage or whether like maybe it went a little

1572
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 5: too far. Sometimes usually a bit of both, sometimes something

1573
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 5: you should do.

1574
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 2: And then there's something you're like, actually, nah, we can.

1575
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: The first the first like, so we had this thing

1576
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 1: deep Dives where you have to write like these long

1577
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: as monologues, and so the first one we turn in,

1578
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 1: they told us before you even turn it's like, now

1579
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: we're just gonna let you know, that's probably gonna be

1580
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:09,759
Speaker 1: six seven drafts, and I'm like six seven drafts, Like, how.

1581
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 2: So y'all doing the other fire?

1582
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 1: Like I can do it too, Like I got you

1583
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: on the first one.

1584
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 3: She almost killed me.

1585
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's gonna be like some misspellings, y'all need

1586
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: me to get that or something like because I looked

1587
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: through the spell check. But like that first the first

1588
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: time we did a quarter called read down, and it's

1589
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: just everyone in the room, Like I just thought it'd

1590
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: be like us in upper level people that the head

1591
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 1: writers know everybody like, hey, you got like legal, you

1592
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: got fucking video people, you got like everyone's just like yeah,

1593
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: so you can't say that, so you gotta.

1594
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 7: Take that out.

1595
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 1: This joke is cool, but you need to make it better. Okay,

1596
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 1: cool this this don't need to be this long, Okay

1597
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 1: to knock all this out. I went in there literally

1598
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: with zero ego. I was like, whatever y'all say, dude,

1599
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do because I was like, I because

1600
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: inside of myself, I'm a fighter, So like I was like,

1601
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 1: if I go in there with this idea of like

1602
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: battling it out, like what y'all not gonna do? I

1603
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: know that it's just gonna be ugly. I'm gonna get fired.

1604
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,640
Speaker 1: So I didn't like I was holding my mouth. I

1605
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 1: was really holding my mouth like this the whole time

1606
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 1: because like there were things I wanted to fight for.

1607
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna save it for a little later.

1608
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll get to something that you know, like, Okay,

1609
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: I can see what you're saying. But it actually, honestly,

1610
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: it actually taught me to write better and like and

1611
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: stuff that I was like, that's impossible. I was back

1612
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 1: in that room like, oh no, I'll see exactly how

1613
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: that's possible. And I wouldn't have learned that if I

1614
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: went in there with the like you know, I know everything.

1615
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 1: You know, y'all don't know shit. So it is kind

1616
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 1: of healthy and you do have to find that balance,

1617
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,560
Speaker 1: you know. I think later now we're getting to the

1618
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,759
Speaker 1: point where it's like, come on, man, that's funny.

1619
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 2: You know what I like, I'm not.

1620
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, you get The other thing is like pushback,

1621
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 4: the ability to push back with intent, like not pushing

1622
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 4: back just because that's like your gut reaction comes from

1623
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 4: gaining the skills through getting the other critique. Yes, it's

1624
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 4: like so that, like you said, you can kind of

1625
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 4: be like, okay, but this is funny.

1626
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 3: I know that, right because all the rest of this, like.

1627
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: The first time, the first time like legal hit us

1628
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: were like you can't say this, and I was able

1629
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: to be like, but we can say it like this

1630
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 1: and it was like that is technically true, like and

1631
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 1: that's when you're like yes, like the joke. Yeah. So

1632
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 1: what was it like doing the Quibi show Because you know,

1633
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: we've talked about the nod the podcast, but like how

1634
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: and I know Quibbi was quick bites, it was short

1635
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: TV kind of on the internet. It was it was

1636
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: like a kind of cool. It's kind of weird to

1637
01:15:55,520 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: see like other things come along and do the idea.

1638
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I'll say that okay. So the experience

1639
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 4: of the show ending, obviously was like what we found out,

1640
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 4: Like the story came out in Wall Street Journal.

1641
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 3: Then hours later we hadn't confirmed that we lost our jobs.

1642
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 3: We all found out like everybody else.

1643
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 4: It wasn't like something where like they told us so

1644
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 4: that part, but I would say that, like I have

1645
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 4: two overall thoughts about the processes.

1646
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, hold on, I'm sorry, I hate dinner, but.

1647
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 2: I got to just linger in this for Wes.

1648
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: We found out in the news then, like you had

1649
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: to go into work and pretend like a.

1650
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 3: Pandemic article the article.

1651
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, the article came out and like, I don't we

1652
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 4: didn't know anything about well, we we knew something was

1653
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 4: up because we would read the same news everybody else. Yeah,

1654
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,759
Speaker 4: I thought the side something was up, but not that imminently.

1655
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 4: It was more so like you'd read articles like, oh,

1656
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 4: Quib's in trouble, and you know you read articles like that,

1657
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 4: like how long have we been reading articles about peloton being.

1658
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Spotify, everybody's operating the negative. How'd the startup as

1659
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: in trouble?

1660
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 5: Right?

1661
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I might be in trouble, you.

1662
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying over like like it's thought like

1663
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying that it's not it's usually

1664
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 4: not existential. But they were just like Quibi's in trouble

1665
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 4: on like on like Monday, and then Wednesday.

1666
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 3: It was like quib shuts down.

1667
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 4: So we're like we had one I think we had

1668
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 4: one more meeting that day. We had some one on

1669
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 4: ones with our producers. We were like, okay, so our

1670
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 4: executive producer wonderful man named Sean Johnson.

1671
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 3: Shout out, shout out to.

1672
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,759
Speaker 4: Patients of a saint, just a black TV veteran legend,

1673
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 4: just a wonderful, wonderful guy.

1674
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 3: So we call him. We're just basically what do we do.

1675
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 4: He was like, look, he's like, oh, I've had Nework

1676
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 4: shut down before, because of course he has, because he's

1677
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 4: just like he's done everything, and he's like, usually it

1678
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 4: takes a minute for a big company to shut down, Like,

1679
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 4: we might have a couple more weeks. So he's like,

1680
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 4: just have the meetings, we'll make the last few episodes.

1681
01:17:59,640 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 2: We're called.

1682
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 3: We thought maybe we'd have until the end of the week.

1683
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 3: That was what I actually came thought, okay, end of

1684
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 3: the week. And then after that three later today.

1685
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 4: The production company called and they were like, yeah, everyone's

1686
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 4: stopped down right now, we're done.

1687
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 3: So it's like, oh, it was just like that whoa

1688
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 3: And for this.

1689
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 5: Worth, it's like one of those things like, you know,

1690
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 5: I enjoy making the show. I think the thing that

1691
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 5: like we and actually for us, Worth even for some

1692
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 5: of us have problems with Quibi.

1693
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 2: We didn't necessarily have. We had a really great executive,

1694
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 2: but I.

1695
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 5: Think even the way it came down. The part that

1696
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 5: was the part that was frustrating. I think about how

1697
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 5: it happened. It's just that you know, we like we

1698
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:44,599
Speaker 5: were then we realized how much we couldn't do right

1699
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 5: by people after the fact, Like I didn't realize how

1700
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 5: swift that shit was gonna be in order to not

1701
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 5: be able to like make folks whold you know what

1702
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like people had really been like committed to,

1703
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,679
Speaker 5: like committed to making this show. It was a fucking

1704
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 5: global pandemic, you know what I'm saying, Like pep Or

1705
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 5: was still like dying in large numbers, and like, you know,

1706
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 5: it's a it's an investment, you know what I'm saying.

1707
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 2: We wouldn't have been mad at.

1708
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 5: Nobody if you actually we had a couple of folks

1709
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 5: who were like, hey, I just might need to take

1710
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 5: a break for a little bit, and we were like,

1711
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 5: do your thing.

1712
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 2: There's other more important stuff.

1713
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 5: But it did open me up to just how like precarious,

1714
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 5: the like opportunity of working entertainment is that shit can

1715
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 5: really change up overnight.

1716
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 2: Because it did.

1717
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but I mean that part was like that

1718
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:36,759
Speaker 4: part was kind of hard, but also like I'll be honest,

1719
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,719
Speaker 4: like I went into the whole experience, Like we worked

1720
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 4: at Spot, we worked at Gimla, and that was a startup,

1721
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 4: right and like, you know, hold on, I'm trying to

1722
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 4: figure out how to put it.

1723
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to.

1724
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 4: Be like, you know, I don't want aybody assuming me

1725
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 4: right now they haven't already then, you know. Yeah, but yeah,

1726
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,560
Speaker 4: I mean like like gim was a startup that was

1727
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 4: based on an untested idea, and we were there while

1728
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,560
Speaker 4: they were trying to figure it out and fly, like

1729
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 4: build the plane as they were flying in.

1730
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 3: And so with Quibi that was even more.

1731
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 4: Untested, sort of longshot idea, just because they have more money.

1732
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 4: I didn't think that it was I wasn't certain that

1733
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 4: the company itself was going to be a success. And

1734
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 4: I think our attitude was like, we'll go in, We'll

1735
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 4: have the opportunity to like try to make our show

1736
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 4: in a different medium and learn new skills, you know

1737
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, because I can't take those away from us,

1738
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:29,759
Speaker 4: and we'll you know, and then we'll see what happens.

1739
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,759
Speaker 4: So I was like, I wasn't I was not shocked

1740
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 4: at the fact that Quibi didn't survive forever. I was

1741
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 4: very shocked that it didn't survive six that basically six months,

1742
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 4: and that also like even lots of other show you know,

1743
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 4: even I don't know even usually when things like this happen,

1744
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 4: you'll hear from your executive or I'll tell you, hey,

1745
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 4: you've got two weeks or hey whatever. I mean, so

1746
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 4: much stuff had to get sort of figured out on

1747
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 4: the fly after the fact, like to Eric's plain and

1748
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 4: we it was just such a that part I think

1749
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 4: I it was.

1750
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 3: It was very hard too.

1751
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 4: I don't know, like I didn't feel like I we

1752
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 4: had let our team, yeah right, but just more so

1753
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 4: like that people had, you know, trusted us to work

1754
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 4: on our show, and that there wasn't there were yeah,

1755
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 4: and then it was just sort of.

1756
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 3: Like, you know, it was just sort of like here

1757
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 3: one day, gone the next.

1758
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 4: We want to get here one day gone the next.

1759
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 4: It's kind of what you expected entertainment, right. Literally, That's

1760
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 4: like I thought somebody was gonna call me first.

1761
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 3: I thought just one phone.

1762
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm sure they gave like I'm sure they

1763
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 1: gave Moisha at the upn at least a few weeks,

1764
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 1: you know what. I mean, like you don't just you'll

1765
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: just show up and take the signs down off the wall.

1766
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 1: That's not how that works. That's like super crazy. And

1767
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: like also about that time, like y'all as a show

1768
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 1: became news around like in twenty twenty, Like it was like,

1769
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, we're podcast nerds, we're fans, so we're like

1770
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: reading you know where it's like listen, this is going

1771
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: on with their deal. They're trying to get the show

1772
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: back there RSS feed, and like it's like, how did

1773
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 1: it feel to be at the at the center of it,

1774
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: Like y'all are the news? How did it feel the news?

1775
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 5: That part was that part wasn't terrible because at the

1776
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 5: same time that all was happening, I honestly feel like

1777
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 5: we were doing pretty amazing work.

1778
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: So and this is where actually the strange praise that

1779
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 2: we'll have for Quibi comes in. You know, around the

1780
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 2: time that George Floyd passed.

1781
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 5: George Floyd passed, and you know, we kind of had

1782
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 5: a spate of police violence and killings and we started

1783
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 5: seeing all this protest. Quibi kind of came to us,

1784
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 5: you know, and very much was like what do y'all need?

1785
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 5: You know, like you're you clearly want to cover this

1786
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 5: in a way that is not you know, like, uh,

1787
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 5: that is a little deeper and it means something to you.

1788
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 2: What do y'all need?

1789
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 5: And so for where it's work, we were able to

1790
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 5: get more uh you know, we got like a couple

1791
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 5: more hires to actually let us kind of it was

1792
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 5: supposed to be daily lord out for us.

1793
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 2: I might not commit to a daily show, but it's

1794
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 2: supposed to be daily.

1795
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 5: They let us come down a little bit from that

1796
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 5: to be able to make the episodes a little more impactful.

1797
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 5: And so that part was great. So I'm like, you know,

1798
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 5: we're we're doing one oh one's on police Abolition. We

1799
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 5: do you know what I'm saying, Like we were going in,

1800
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 5: we were having a good time, and it really put

1801
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 5: a bit of a fire I think under us to

1802
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 5: the point of like, wait, why are we We're we

1803
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 5: are covering this ship, We are providing a service, Like

1804
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 5: what is happening with how you are treating us? You're

1805
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 5: not going to have and this is not necessarily quibbi,

1806
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 5: but you know the other people in, but you're not

1807
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 5: going to have us out here, you know what I'm saying, Like, doing.

1808
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 2: This work that you are lauded and you are saying like, hey.

1809
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 4: If they were taking the audio from our Quibi episodes

1810
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 4: and putting it down the fee, they were putting it

1811
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 4: down our podcast, not podcast feed, right, So they were

1812
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 4: still having the cachet of being at the forefront of

1813
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 4: black thought as it as it ran.

1814
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 3: For six to eight minutes for this week.

1815
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, man, these episodes getting shorter and shorter.

1816
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 2: This is interesting, Like the editor editor too good?

1817
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah uh.

1818
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 4: We uh yeah, yeah, they still had they still got

1819
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,759
Speaker 4: the like the goodwill of being associated with our brand

1820
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 4: and being associated with black people.

1821
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 3: And you know, meanwhile they're given you know, oh god,

1822
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 3: what's that guys, mister fear factor?

1823
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: Yeahs or whatever? Much?

1824
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so much mont a godly amount. But yeah,

1825
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 4: I mean it wasn't it kind of like I don't know.

1826
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 4: To me, I'll say this, given all the stuff that

1827
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 4: like at least in podcasting news that we had been

1828
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 4: a part of or you know whatever, like you would

1829
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 4: still have sometimes people reach out and DM a couple

1830
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 4: of Like last week I got two d ms from

1831
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 4: I got a couple two Oh really Yeah, I was like,

1832
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 4: I don't even respond to it. I'm like child, this

1833
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 4: is old news. I'm plumb wedding planning. I'm I'm not

1834
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 4: focused on this.

1835
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 3: But there are so many.

1836
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 4: People who every day, who who are speaking out about

1837
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 4: things in a way in which I don't, important things

1838
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 4: in a way in which I do that consistently, Or

1839
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,719
Speaker 4: people who are reporting about really important things, or putting

1840
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 4: themselves out there or organizing or do all these other things,

1841
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 4: or saying the thing that nobody else wants to hear.

1842
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 4: Who get you know, death threats on whatever. You know

1843
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 4: what I mean, just really nasty stuff sometimes like there

1844
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 4: will be sometimes people in the mentions, but even like

1845
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 4: for the most part, I forget. I think we were

1846
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 4: appearing on somebody else's podcast, and for some reason I

1847
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 4: had occasion to look for my name in search my

1848
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 4: name in Twitter, and people I only said nice things.

1849
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 3: Just like something that happens.

1850
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 4: It's just nothing i'd ever I'd never searched it before,

1851
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 4: because again I don't do if I see it, if

1852
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 4: I hear it's not my business as your opinion, it's

1853
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 4: for you.

1854
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 1: That's a lesson, that's a gem right there. If you're

1855
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 1: in the creative side of things, I promise you that

1856
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: is a gem, that's a gift. You remember that line.

1857
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: If it's not if it's not to you, it ain't

1858
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: your business.

1859
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, because this is the thing.

1860
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 4: If somebody had met me in line at the grocery

1861
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 4: store or something like that or whatever, waiting for a

1862
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 4: doctor's office and we struck up a conversation, they probably

1863
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:17,560
Speaker 4: like me.

1864
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 3: But that's not what they're judging me on. They're judge

1865
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 3: me on this thing that they just didn't like that much,

1866
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 3: and so whatever.

1867
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 4: It's exactly, but yeah, I think that, uh they it

1868
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 4: sucked kind of to have people kind of like wanting

1869
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 4: to like I don't like again.

1870
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 3: I don't like people ask me questions. I don't like people.

1871
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 2: Interviewer by trade mind.

1872
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

1873
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh hope we don't get off of this.

1874
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 1: And Brittany's like, listen, Ronald is nosy as fuck. Okay,

1875
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: first of all, may your business. We just wanted to

1876
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,839
Speaker 1: play some games and talk about white people this motherfucking

1877
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:49,799
Speaker 1: know my business.

1878
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 3: Yeah No, yeah, I don't. I don't do.

1879
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 4: I don't like people ask me questions and you want

1880
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 4: to know where I am and stuff like that to

1881
01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 4: be in my business and stuff like that I don't

1882
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 4: like that stuff. And there's a lot of things I'm like,

1883
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 4: this is private, this is personal whatever. Like I never

1884
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 4: said my fiance. My fiance and I have been living

1885
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 4: together for five years. We have been together for seven years,

1886
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 4: We've been engaged four three and a half years. I

1887
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 4: have never said his first name.

1888
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:14,480
Speaker 1: On any episode.

1889
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 2: So you just you just gonta do it? You said

1890
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 2: the last like, Okay, that's true.

1891
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:19,719
Speaker 3: I didn't say last.

1892
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: Are you just gonna do? Like the right pop up

1893
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 1: on Instagram when she just married Instagram.

1894
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 3: Instagram, I'm tagging it's easy to find out who.

1895
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 4: But as far as like my work and stuff like that,

1896
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 4: it's like for me, I try to keep things like

1897
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 4: you know whatever.

1898
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 3: But so that part I didn't like.

1899
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 4: But as far as like we we we were really

1900
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 4: fortunate in that a lot of people are really supportive

1901
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 4: of us publicly and also behind.

1902
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 3: The scenes people are very kind.

1903
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 4: Uh. And then also too, I think going back to

1904
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 4: really the first thing that we were talking about, because

1905
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 4: there are so many.

1906
01:27:54,360 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 3: People who came up with us or even ahead of

1907
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 3: us alongside us that like we worked with and we

1908
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 3: got to know.

1909
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 4: They knew that we weren't lying. They knew that we

1910
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 4: weren't all bullshit, and they saw things happen. You know,

1911
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 4: maybe sometimes they couldn't speak out about like we were

1912
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 4: in that moment or whatever. So we just had a

1913
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 4: lot of people, like overall, we had quite the opposite

1914
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 4: experience with people.

1915
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 1: There was also like others, there were also like other

1916
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 1: things happening at the time of that at that company

1917
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: that were becoming like you know, like out into the public.

1918
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 1: So I think it's that it's not to say it's

1919
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,480
Speaker 1: as bad as this, but it is like when Weinstein

1920
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 1: has like an accuser and then there's ten accusers and

1921
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: there's twins, and you're like he probably was up to something,

1922
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: you know what I.

1923
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 7: Mean, Like.

1924
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,919
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you don't have to believe everywhere to everybody,

1925
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 1: but collectively they seem to be having some issues.

1926
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:52,560
Speaker 3: You know.

1927
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: It's like motherfucker's like unionized, and it's not a coincidence,

1928
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1929
01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 4: People don't unionize because reason for not because every cause

1930
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:06,480
Speaker 4: I because everything just going so great, right, I keep wondering.

1931
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 3: How can we how can we be better?

1932
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: Literally, no one's even thought of a union when shit

1933
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: is going well, Like, no, like the concept of union

1934
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 1: didn't union. Yeah, it didn't start until ship Like even

1935
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 1: if you go back to like the industrial Revolution, it

1936
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 1: doesn't start until people are like, hey man, you lost

1937
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 1: your foot, they still got you working. That's how that's

1938
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 1: how the union starts. Yeah, but nah, yeah, go ahead.

1939
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 5: The thing I'll say is like, one, we shall all unionize.

1940
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 5: I think like unionization is a great thing in terms

1941
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 5: of just advocating for our labor rights. I will say that,

1942
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 5: although to your point, the shit don't happen nless somebody

1943
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 5: have been fucking up.

1944
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 2: But uh.

1945
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 5: The other thing I will say, though, is like this

1946
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:48,719
Speaker 5: is also why it's important to just do right by people,

1947
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 5: like you know what I'm saying, Like at every level,

1948
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 5: do right by people that you work with, Do right

1949
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 5: by people. You know what I'm saying, Like that work

1950
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 5: for you, do right by the people who you intersect with,

1951
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 5: because you know what I'm saying, Like I was very

1952
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 5: I think, I like even in some of the other

1953
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 5: stuff that blew up, like kind of after this, you know,

1954
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 5: I had a lot of people basically come back and

1955
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 5: be like no no, no, no, no no no he

1956
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:14,879
Speaker 5: and lion like that that happened.

1957
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, like this person I know this person.

1958
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 5: I know, like you know, and even for both Britain

1959
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 5: and I we know their character, we know where they

1960
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 5: come from, and we know like when they have stood

1961
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 5: in front and says something, it's usually when like they

1962
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 5: have tried everything else. And so like I think that

1963
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 5: a lot of people can underestimate what it means to

1964
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 5: folks who are around you to consistently be in a

1965
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 5: fight or to consistently advocate for folks and even if

1966
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 5: you lose, you know what I'm saying, Like for this word,

1967
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 5: while we were there, we didn't get what we were

1968
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 5: asking for, right, you know what I'm saying, We had

1969
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 5: to bounce.

1970
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 2: And but like even beyond that, people have remembered that

1971
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 2: and people have looked out. Yeah.

1972
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: Well also like one Eric got spicy on the bird

1973
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 1: and the most professional, the most succein.

1974
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 2: I got that note a couple of times.

1975
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 7: It was professional.

1976
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: I was just like, God, this thread is litigious, you

1977
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like like this is so did

1978
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 1: you do this with the exact life?

1979
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

1980
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: That ship was so good. But then also like Karen,

1981
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 1: praise y'all up top. But I you know, I know

1982
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 1: we're about to wrap up. But one thing y'all did,

1983
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 1: when you know y'all were fighting for your RSS feed

1984
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, is that y'all really show like

1985
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 1: this is the inner workings of this game. This is

1986
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 1: how you know, like this ship can easily turn into

1987
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:38,919
Speaker 1: like the music game, like God, be careful what you're signing, Yeah, exactly,

1988
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 1: Like you know, and I think, like straight up, when

1989
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:47,439
Speaker 1: we negotiate our Spotify contract that y'all were the people

1990
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,599
Speaker 1: that made us be like, let me read this thing. Look,

1991
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:53,799
Speaker 1: let me tell you. You know, they said it was bullshit,

1992
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 1: and honest to God, we told them no so many

1993
01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 1: fucking times because of y'all, and we end getting the

1994
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: deal that we got where we still got all our

1995
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 1: shit and blah blah blah, specifically because we was like,

1996
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 1: daw we heard that if a motherfucker sons some shit,

1997
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 1: y'all might do them dirty. So like, what exactly does

1998
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,560
Speaker 1: this mean? You know what I mean? We have to

1999
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 1: have people like a lawyer look at and all this shit,

2000
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:17,719
Speaker 1: and it's I think, y'all, and I know it probably

2001
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:19,560
Speaker 1: sucks to be in the public eye like that, but

2002
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:21,680
Speaker 1: y'all publicly going through that, I hope y'all know that,

2003
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: y'all really did help a lot of people who ended

2004
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:28,760
Speaker 1: up with with With y'all in mind, it helped us

2005
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 1: be like, we have the tools and the weapons to

2006
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 1: engage in this on a more fair point because y'all

2007
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: not gonna y'all not gonna have us out here where

2008
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,679
Speaker 1: people are going, are y'all sign with your son?

2009
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 5: Nah?

2010
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 1: Fuck that were gonna talk about this ship now, so

2011
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 1: that so that we can at least have some level

2012
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 1: of leverage. And that's really like, I have to thank

2013
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 1: y'all just for even being willing to talk about that

2014
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 1: shit because a lot of people, a lot of people

2015
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 1: don't talk about those things, and that's why it keeps

2016
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 1: happening to other folks.

2017
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 6: Right, Oh, go ahead and have the luxury and it's

2018
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 6: they're difficult, but have the luxury and the ability to

2019
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:06,680
Speaker 6: say no if it ain't up front, say no, if

2020
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 6: there's something in there that you are not wanting to bend,

2021
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 6: or if you do something in there and you're like, oh,

2022
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 6: if that happened, I will want to cut them up

2023
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 6: the paper.

2024
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 1: Because we had, we had, we have opportunities that came

2025
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 1: along even after Spotify that we said no too, And

2026
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 1: like I said, it's the ability to say no is

2027
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 1: so fucking powerful, and it's so rarely afforded to black

2028
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 1: and brown people in this white predominant industry because it's

2029
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 1: the same industry that is giving somebody one hundred million

2030
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 1: dollars and then telling you your ship is not worth anything.

2031
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I have to see hundred. It was two hundred.

2032
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm two hundred. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm bad. I'm bad.

2033
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 1: That's that's good, good editing.

2034
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 6: No.

2035
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,720
Speaker 4: But I have to say, though, it's amazing that like

2036
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 4: you all were able to get the deal, to get

2037
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:58,640
Speaker 4: the deal that you got at Spotify. That speaks to

2038
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,680
Speaker 4: not just your fortitude, but also the quality of your

2039
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:05,760
Speaker 4: work and the value of like yeah, not that they

2040
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 4: define it, but the fact that they weren't gonna let

2041
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:09,919
Speaker 4: y'all walk out that door, because trust.

2042
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 7: Me, they.

2043
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 5: They didn't define it, but they had to recognize it,

2044
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Like they had they had

2045
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 5: to recognize it, and that's what we're all fighting for.

2046
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 5: It means so much to hear that like we were able.

2047
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: To we would like be in the car and like

2048
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: having conversations and be like listen, did you read that

2049
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 1: thing about the nod see it be a conversation right

2050
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: like we'd be off the airlight because I don't listen,

2051
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read the contract again because these motherfuckers ain't

2052
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 1: gonna like I don't like that ship. You see how

2053
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 1: they doing people like and I know we weren't alone

2054
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 1: in that. And I'm sure that you know a lot.

2055
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 1: I mean when they were signing people, it was a

2056
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:51,759
Speaker 1: lot of like you know, listen, we're trying to convince

2057
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 1: all this, okay, you can have this thing, you can

2058
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 1: have that thing. I'm like, all right, cause I just

2059
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 1: don't want y'all trying to get over And like I said,

2060
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 1: it's I think for a lot of people, we internalize

2061
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 1: like this idea of like either I'm a success or

2062
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:10,639
Speaker 1: I'm a failure when you know, it's like I told

2063
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 1: my friend Bomani when he first got a TV show,

2064
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 1: when he was first like getting to be on ESPN,

2065
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 1: and I said, I said, yeah, you got the TV

2066
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 1: show and he was like yeah, but you know, I

2067
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 1: gotta make it successful.

2068
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 2: I got to do this.

2069
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: I was like, you can't control any of that shit,

2070
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 1: Like no, like no, if you can only control if

2071
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 1: you're good or bad, but you can't literally control whether

2072
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 1: people watch it or not. There's a bunch of stuff.

2073
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 1: I go, it's on Amazon right now or something or HBO,

2074
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 1: and I click on it and go, damn, this was good.

2075
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 1: They canceled this what you know, kindly Central at south

2076
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 1: Side go what the fuck were they thinking?

2077
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 6: You know?

2078
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 1: So it's stuff like that where it's like those guys

2079
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 1: can't control that. But I was like, once you have

2080
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 1: the show, you're a TV show guy now, so that

2081
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 1: means you can get another show and you can get

2082
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 1: another chance of this shit. And I think the resilience

2083
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 1: is the thing, right, So y'all have the knowledge to

2084
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 1: make your podcast. So it's like, all right, y'all tripping

2085
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 1: on the RSS feet cool, We'll go back to for

2086
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:15,639
Speaker 1: color nerds. We'll be fine. We wanted to be fine together,

2087
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 1: we'll be fine on our own. And I think that's

2088
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 1: the testament, you know what I mean? Like I said,

2089
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 1: I it takes all times. Everyone got different lanes and stuff.

2090
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 1: But that's why, you know, we've been fans of y'all,

2091
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:26,640
Speaker 1: have been rooting for y'all. I don't know what the

2092
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 1: fuck happened in twenty seventeen with the email. I still

2093
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 1: I'm feel terrible about that.

2094
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 3: We did not take we met nor figure y'all.

2095
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 4: It got lost and shuffle and also too, this is

2096
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 4: also before the show had ever came out, so.

2097
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 1: So maybe oh so I was like, I'm gonna go

2098
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 1: check it out now.

2099
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 3: For trust, it was a lot of people who we

2100
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:47,480
Speaker 3: were just like, hey, please.

2101
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 1: Yeah episode I always get people were not cools.

2102
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 3: Just listen to.

2103
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 1: I blame my PTSD. Okay, we shouldn't have had that one, dude.

2104
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 1: All and actually we have. We have moved on, but

2105
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 1: that was that was what it is.

2106
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 3: Now we're happy to be here.

2107
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I hope y'all come back again.

2108
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 5: Man, seriously, like you us honestly, it's too ship, you

2109
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like and claim it as such. Seriously,

2110
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 5: like you know, you can't tell black podcasts and we're

2111
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 5: all talking about black podcasters.

2112
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 1: Gotta stick together. Tell everybody what y'all doing? Now where

2113
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 1: to find you? That kind of stuff, because I know, uh, Eric,

2114
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 1: I know you're working with Stitcher right now and you're

2115
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:31,560
Speaker 1: in the office right now. You literally literally I know

2116
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: you want to go home. You know what I'm saying,

2117
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 1: go ahead, tell tell everybody.

2118
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

2119
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 2: So we are still co hosting for Colored Nerds.

2120
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 5: You can catch that comes out every Tuesday anywhere you

2121
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 5: get your podcast, uh for its worth. I also took

2122
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 5: a job. I work for Stitcher. I'm their Director of

2123
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:50,680
Speaker 5: Lifestyle Podcasting. So, uh, it's a lot of my job

2124
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:52,680
Speaker 5: to kind of help set strategy for what we go

2125
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 5: after and then you know, support the deals that we

2126
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 5: try to create, try to make sure we don't jam

2127
01:37:58,600 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 5: nobody up like how folks have.

2128
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 2: In the past.

2129
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:01,800
Speaker 1: Uh.

2130
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 5: But but yeah, so a lot of what I'm doing

2131
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 5: is honestly just trying to make this show great and

2132
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 5: and support Stitcher and trying to see what shows they

2133
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 5: will make in the future.

2134
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:12,720
Speaker 2: So forst Worth, if you.

2135
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 5: Have ideas, you know, that's a that's something folks can

2136
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,439
Speaker 5: can reach out to me about. Brittany, I know you

2137
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 5: got you got a lot of stuff going on too.

2138
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2139
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:25,639
Speaker 3: So, as air quntioned, we're still closing for Colored Nerds.

2140
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 3: I also I dabble in other podcasts on the side.

2141
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 3: Coming up that oh no, it's March. First.

2142
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 4: Coming up at the end of this month is a

2143
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 4: podcast called HBO Docs Club, So it is an HBO

2144
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:42,639
Speaker 4: branded podcasts where me and my coast Ronald Young Jr.

2145
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 4: I'll go back in the HBO documentary's vault and watch

2146
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 4: the movies, discuss them, and then also interview the director

2147
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 4: and usually somebody who appeared in the documentary.

2148
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 3: So I'm really excited about that because it's been really fun.

2149
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:55,640
Speaker 1: Yes, Brittany, HBO.

2150
01:38:56,840 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 2: Was that?

2151
01:38:57,200 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 1: I said, yes, Brittany HBO. I'm over with HBO too,

2152
01:38:59,800 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 1: you know.

2153
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, I love I mean, I love that.

2154
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean I love that for me too.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I've just been doing a lot of writing. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I've been doing a lot of writing, freelancing. I am

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Speaker 4: just consulting on other people's shows. I just about to

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Speaker 4: start working. I'm like just beginning to start working on

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Speaker 4: Truth Be Told, which is hosted by Tanya Mosley, who

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Speaker 4: is phenomenal. And uh, yeah, no, I've just been doing

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Speaker 4: a lot of Oh I got a piece coming out

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Speaker 4: soon about about one of my favorite aspects of the

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Speaker 4: Gilded Age.

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Speaker 3: I saw in the chat some of y'all watching the

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Speaker 3: Gilded Age. I'm not caught up.

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Speaker 4: I gotta watch last night's episode, but that's my show.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what it is about that show.

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Speaker 3: I do know what it's.

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Speaker 4: It's gossip, it's drama. It's not very loud and uh

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Speaker 4: and a lot of people shading each other.

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Speaker 1: And that's my It looks like one of those treacherous

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Speaker 1: white people shows, which I'm a big fan of.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, white people are.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I don't want them running anything

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Speaker 1: but good entertainment. They're really good.

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Speaker 3: It's the entity. It's contained.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah TV.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the Crown where like like oh this actually.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one where my chest is like crown my chest.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like when I watch like mad Man or something, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: look at him, he's about to betray the ship out

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Speaker 1: of him on this cigarette promo that ad ain't gonna

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Speaker 1: go through, you know, fucked up down, you trusted the

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Speaker 1: wrong one. Like I love that kind of stuff. Like

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Speaker 1: it's kind of low steaks hot steaks at the same time,

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Speaker 1: exactly exactly. I hope one of the documentaries y'all cover

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Speaker 1: is Hookers on the Point, because that.

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Speaker 3: Actually they don't really do serious Hookers on the Point.

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Speaker 1: Oh damn it.

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Speaker 4: They didn't do my favorite HBO documentary, which is called

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Speaker 4: Living Dolls, which I used to watch when I was

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Speaker 4: a child, But it was about the child pageant circuit

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Speaker 4: in the South.

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Speaker 1: I remember that.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's if you have some issues. It came out.

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Speaker 3: I mean this was like twenty something.

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Speaker 4: But they put a hair piece on a baby, the

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Speaker 4: eighteen months old that was in the Unique competition.

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Speaker 3: Baby had a little waterfall piece.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Autumn Feil, Autumn Fel pageant. Mamas is just trying to

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Speaker 1: relive their dreams to them little babies.

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Speaker 2: Man, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a traumatizing HBO documentaries now I think about it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I was that young watching that

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Speaker 1: ship because they were very traumatized.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I used to watch Taxi Cab Confessions, Profession, Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I used to watch Cat House.

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Speaker 1: That's why.

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Speaker 3: The House came on on like Sunday Night.

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Speaker 1: Were y'all in the real sex documentary generation? Because that

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Speaker 1: was also traumatizing.

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Speaker 2: I watched a little bit at real time.

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Speaker 5: Actually, some of those are still on uh like they

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Speaker 5: were on some I found them on some screening streaming service.

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Speaker 2: They actually weren't on Max. Really they might be now, but.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Family Space, but no, a lot of those real

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Speaker 5: sex documents are still hold up.

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Speaker 2: I rewatched.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was it was a little traumatizing as

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Speaker 1: a kid because I was thinking, like, real sex, it's

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Speaker 1: people who are like either having sex or talking about

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Speaker 1: having sex. And it was like we like to pretend

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Speaker 1: to be horses and we run around on his ranch

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Speaker 1: and he just hops on my back with his saddle.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what this got to do with sex? I'm

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Speaker 1: not prepared for.

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Speaker 4: Him like we like to we like I remember one

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Speaker 4: episode where's all these people that just wanted to sit

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Speaker 4: naked in a big tub full of.

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Speaker 3: Clay hot spring. I'm like, this is not this is

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Speaker 3: not real orse like what I'm supposed to be looking for.

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Speaker 1: The back y'all lie.

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Speaker 6: Like as a kid, I was disappointed, But as an adult,

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Speaker 6: I go, oh, okay, this is interesting.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, honestly, you know what it was. It was like

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Speaker 1: it was like the it was like more of a

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Speaker 1: podcast than than skinning back type thing, like it was

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Speaker 1: ahead of his time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, because I will watch the other I mean

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Speaker 5: I watched the other stuff too. It was like, uh,

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Speaker 5: this wasn't on HBO, It's on cinemas.

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Speaker 2: But like rare shoe Diaries. Y'all remember that show.

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Speaker 4: Basically like what there was a show that used to

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01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 4: come on after Real Sex with Sue Johansson. They used

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Speaker 4: to come on what's a Canadian channel? It's not Canadian,

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Speaker 4: but it was a Canadian program. The channel was Oxygen

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Speaker 4: and it was similar to Red Shoe Diaries. They just

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Speaker 4: showed a little less nudity, but they would have real

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01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 4: They had Adam Beach on one episode and the light

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Speaker 4: Skin guy who was in one of the Lifetime Christmas

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Speaker 4: movies this year.

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Speaker 1: Wow, listen, you gotta do what you gotta do to

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Speaker 1: come up. Okay, everybody can't start it. They can't start

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Speaker 1: a lifetime Sometimes you gotta start mon Spans.

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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, I'm like, the cast check

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Speaker 3: the same, y it checks exactly the same.

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Speaker 1: Listen. Okay, Well that was fun, y'all. Hopefully people learned

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01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:55,560
Speaker 1: a lot about Brittany and Eric and the nod and

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Speaker 1: and for Color Nerds, go check out for Color Nerds.

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Speaker 1: It's back every Tuesday. I was listening just today before

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01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 1: the show about being a bad black mom. Uh you know, y'all,

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Speaker 1: go go listen to us and can get the context

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Speaker 1: and don't think I'm just saying some wowd shit. Uh

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Speaker 1: As I said the title like, But y'all should listen though,

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Speaker 1: because that's not what that's not the whole thing. That's

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Speaker 1: not the whole thing, not mama. Yeah, okay, we're not

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Speaker 1: talking about precious and my nigue's role. Okay, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: make sure y'all check that out and we'll be back

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Speaker 1: later in the week. I know we owe y'all are

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Speaker 1: walking down recap, so we'll probably do it either Thursday

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Speaker 1: or Friday. I told y'all my work week is changing,

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Speaker 1: so until then, I love you.

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Speaker 5: Why