WEBVTT - Phenom of Philly

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<v Speaker 1>Diversion podcasts. What if they never get the exposure? Were

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<v Speaker 1>all right, that will get the exposure, right, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get it, hopeful, little Marrion on the map and uh

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't type of person I am. Somebody says I can't

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<v Speaker 1>do something. I want to go out and do it

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<v Speaker 1>all purpose and do it at an unbelievable rate. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to clear I don't want to do get

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<v Speaker 1>over the ostle. I want to totally clear it. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a crisp late afternoon in the fall of and

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<v Speaker 1>the men who had coached Kobe Bryant during his senior

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<v Speaker 1>year at Lower Merion High School back in had come

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<v Speaker 1>together for a little reunion of sorts. There was pizza,

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<v Speaker 1>there was good beer, some juicy I p a s.

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<v Speaker 1>And there were a lot of memories and there was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of reminiscent I would say that it was

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<v Speaker 1>the most incredible coaching staff ever, only because we were young.

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<v Speaker 1>We were relatively new at like high level stuff like this,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just five. There were four coaches in me.

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<v Speaker 1>I had arranged this meeting so they could jog each

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<v Speaker 1>other's memories and share some anecdotes about Kobe's high school career,

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<v Speaker 1>especially his senior year. All of us were sitting around

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<v Speaker 1>a table on Greg Downer's back of coach. Greg is

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<v Speaker 1>still the head boys basketball coach at Lower Mery. He

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<v Speaker 1>was hired in nineteen ninety and has been there ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>When he was just thirty three years old, he created

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<v Speaker 1>a staff of assistance really for the specific purpose of

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<v Speaker 1>coaching Kobe Bryant. Downer knew what he had in Cope

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<v Speaker 1>and he knew what kind of attention Kobe would draw

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<v Speaker 1>from opponents, from the media, from everywhere. So he did

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<v Speaker 1>a really smart, really innovative thing. He brought on four

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<v Speaker 1>assistance and each coach would have his own specialized role.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Egan, who had been a college coach in Delaware,

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<v Speaker 1>was already on board as Lower Marion's defensive coordinator. Downer's

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<v Speaker 1>older brother, Drew, had a way of talking to people,

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<v Speaker 1>even teenagers, that put them at ease, so he would

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<v Speaker 1>be the team's amateur sports psychologist. Jimmy Kaiserman was twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six at the time, had played Division one ball at

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<v Speaker 1>Miami University and at Writer, and had played professionally in Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>He was quick, he was tough, he could dump, and

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<v Speaker 1>he saw a news report about Kobe one night and

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<v Speaker 1>called up Greg down, volunteering to help in any way

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<v Speaker 1>he could. He became Kobe's foil, guarding and harassing him

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<v Speaker 1>every day at practice. Jeremy Treatment would be the team's

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<v Speaker 1>media relations coordinating. He'd take care of all the interview requests,

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<v Speaker 1>the reporters, the outside noise, and Greg would oversee the

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<v Speaker 1>whole operation. All this basically because of one seventeen year

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<v Speaker 1>old kid, because of Kobe. Now twenty five years later,

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<v Speaker 1>they were back together again. Kaiserman couldn't make it to

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<v Speaker 1>the reunion, but the other four could. Oh almost forgot

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<v Speaker 1>there was one other person there too, bring down Greg's daughters,

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<v Speaker 1>who was seven years old at the time. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'd like to think I don't really have

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<v Speaker 1>an ego, And I mean I used to await awake

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<v Speaker 1>at night wondering if we were gonna score baskets, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>literally when we first started, and you know, we were

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<v Speaker 1>giving up too many points. And this pre rope is

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<v Speaker 1>this with her without Kobe. Beforehand, I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were laying awake at night wonder if you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna score when you coach, you had problem before he

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<v Speaker 1>definitely has a problem. Before before Kobe, when you first

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<v Speaker 1>got the job. Yeah, yeah, I want to call me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Mike Sealskip and from Diversion podceads, this is I

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<v Speaker 1>am Kobe. I love why see why create myself? Create yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>Stay nice night, go on, create yourself. You gotta learn

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<v Speaker 1>from the great mass. Do we gain line selling? That's

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<v Speaker 1>getting time? Episode four, Phenom of Philly. Before Kobe, the

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<v Speaker 1>Lower Marian Aces didn't have much of a basketball program.

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<v Speaker 1>Before Kobe, their uniforms were often mismatched. A kid would

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<v Speaker 1>be wearing a tank top number forty five on the back,

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<v Speaker 1>but his short said number twenty one. Before Kobe, the

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<v Speaker 1>Aces lost the game fifty four to thirteen, and because

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<v Speaker 1>they had so few players to begin with, and so

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<v Speaker 1>many of those players had fouled out, they finished the

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<v Speaker 1>game with just four on the floor. They were a

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<v Speaker 1>team that nobody paid much attention to, even in the

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<v Speaker 1>halls of the high school itself. Lower Merion Township, generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>is a pretty posh area, and the most popular sports

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<v Speaker 1>at the school in the late nineteen eighties were the

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<v Speaker 1>ones you'd expect to be popular at that kind of school.

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<v Speaker 1>Soccer lacrosse foot Then in Greg Downer Kid, and the

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<v Speaker 1>basketball team got a little better. Then Kobe Bryant came in,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the start of his senior year, his coaches

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<v Speaker 1>knew they had the best high school basketball player in

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<v Speaker 1>America on their team. They just had to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how to make the most offense. The Kaiserman thing was cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when Greg called me, He's like, I got

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<v Speaker 1>this guy and the coach with us he played at Miami.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, how did you get that guy? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's ingenious. It really is, because we knew there's

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<v Speaker 1>no one on our team that can cover Kobe. The

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<v Speaker 1>ball is gonna be in Kobe's hands. We're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>overthink it. We're not gonna put in the Princeton offense. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have to deal with this kid all night.

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<v Speaker 1>The ball is gonna be his hand. We're gonna set

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<v Speaker 1>up our defense, pressure and like, and we're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>overthink it. We're gonna let him play. We may not

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<v Speaker 1>have real ashes at the time, but you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>did get along and maybe the role definition was good.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think there was maybe a part of us

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<v Speaker 1>who was thinking, like, uh, this is like a one

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<v Speaker 1>shot deal. Let's not screw it up, you know, let's

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<v Speaker 1>not screw it up with like Fickeren or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're you're gonna get one crack at Kobe Bryant.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think any of us expected another player quite

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<v Speaker 1>like him. Once the Bryant family moved back to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, it didn't take long for Greg Downer to

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<v Speaker 1>hear the rumors about this amazing eighth grade basketball player

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<v Speaker 1>at balotkin Wood Middle School. But Downer also knew that

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<v Speaker 1>Dr George Smith, Kobe's coach at Ballot ran a tight

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<v Speaker 1>ship and didn't let any of his players, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>how good they were, show off their individual talents. So

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<v Speaker 1>Downer went to a Ballot practice to check out Kobe

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<v Speaker 1>for himself to get a sense of how good this

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<v Speaker 1>kid really was. What he saw blew him away. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't believe that somebody at the tender age of

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen was was that advance with their skills. Um invited

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<v Speaker 1>him to a practice with my current varsity and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was more than point in his own and at

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<v Speaker 1>six ft two hundred fourth pals, I knew that he

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna get dumb but bigger. But his foundation at

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<v Speaker 1>such a young age was was really solid. Good shooter

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<v Speaker 1>could pass her good intellect, and my mind started racing

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<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly. Asked to uh, what do you give me

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<v Speaker 1>down the road? And my initial depression was certainly that

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<v Speaker 1>I very have something very special and and your need

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<v Speaker 1>on my hands. If Kobe had been a high school

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<v Speaker 1>phenom these days, he probably would have transferred to a

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<v Speaker 1>well known basketball school like Mont Verde Academy or i

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<v Speaker 1>AMG Academy in Florida, a place that produces top notch athletes,

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<v Speaker 1>like a factory producers sports cars. Back in the early

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<v Speaker 1>nine nineties, though, things were a little different. Downer was

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<v Speaker 1>more worried that a private school in the Philadelphia area

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<v Speaker 1>might recruit Code, and a few of them did, so

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<v Speaker 1>he took a big step toward making sure Kobe wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to stay at Lower Merryan Downer knew that Joe Bryant

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<v Speaker 1>was coaching girls basketball at a Cuba Hebrew academy, and

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<v Speaker 1>the two of them had hit it off when they met,

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<v Speaker 1>so Downer hired Joe to be Lower Marian's junior varsity

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<v Speaker 1>boys coach. It was a pretty smart idea. Joe was

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<v Speaker 1>a former NBA player and he had some coaching experience,

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<v Speaker 1>and really was Kobe going to transfer away from the

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<v Speaker 1>school where his dad coached. I think there was the

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<v Speaker 1>salesmanship to keep him at Lower Marian, to convince the

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<v Speaker 1>parents that that I was the right guy with a

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<v Speaker 1>job and that that public educ issue could could accomplish

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<v Speaker 1>what Kobe needed. Um you know, there there definitely was

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<v Speaker 1>a paranoia that he would drift off to one of

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<v Speaker 1>the Catholic schools where somebody would swerve Ben and try

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<v Speaker 1>to take him. The funny part is Downer never really

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<v Speaker 1>had to worry about that. Kobe took kind of an

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<v Speaker 1>old school approach to his early career. He stayed and

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<v Speaker 1>played for his local hometown high school. His parents could

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<v Speaker 1>see him play, his friends could see him play, his

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<v Speaker 1>community could see him play and rally around him and

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<v Speaker 1>the team. I always like that aspect of him and

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<v Speaker 1>his career. It showed loyalty. Here he is talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy treatment about it. I knew that a man was

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<v Speaker 1>the right properly grade. I really know Clue dying that

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<v Speaker 1>road right. Simber fact that he accepted me a great

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<v Speaker 1>coming to a school to practice with his team and

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<v Speaker 1>allowed me to stay after Batty and welcome my game.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew there was no other places my two sisters

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<v Speaker 1>with him, So there was never in the truth to

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<v Speaker 1>that to those works went around, never uh got knew

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<v Speaker 1>the truth father and my family and coaching the truth

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<v Speaker 1>where I was going to Gray Contact and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>by ole Bright schools. But I just wanted to go

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<v Speaker 1>to home Man because my sisters with him type family.

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<v Speaker 1>But even in the years after that eleven grade Roman

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<v Speaker 1>was calling in uh Piscopal Germantown Academy. They because of

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<v Speaker 1>my father, and I said, I want your sunny coming

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<v Speaker 1>to school and be great for him, and saying all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff. My father was listening, but at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time he was always happy at the Man, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know I wouldn't want to leave. Koby didn't quite have

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<v Speaker 1>to resurrect the basketball program when he got to Lower Merry.

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<v Speaker 1>The ass had made the district playoffs the year before

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<v Speaker 1>under Downers coaching. It looked like they were getting better

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<v Speaker 1>and it didn't take for them to see how much

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<v Speaker 1>talent the new freshman had and how much he liked

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<v Speaker 1>the flat it. Here's Kobe's teammate from Lower Marrian Guy Stewart,

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<v Speaker 1>this freshman year. I mean when he came in, you

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<v Speaker 1>could just you can kind of see he was different.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't your typical freshman that came in. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>he was you know, six three at this time and

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<v Speaker 1>probably waited, you know, and five pounds. But you could

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<v Speaker 1>just see the way he moved on the court and

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<v Speaker 1>he understood the game that he was going to be different. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>at that time, it was just he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a different type of player. You know, he could

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<v Speaker 1>have just been a great high school player and went

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<v Speaker 1>on and play college and then that was it. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But like you think of you know, his dad being

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<v Speaker 1>in the NBA, and you know, him being tall and

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<v Speaker 1>his sisters were tall. You know, you were like, okay this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he could he could be something. He shot

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. It was freshman year, um, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>that was to be expected because we you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>weren't as good as we we should have been. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't good. Period. The Aces went four and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>in Kobe's freshman season. It seems impossible to go four

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty when you have Kobe Bryant on your roster.

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<v Speaker 1>But as Stewart said, Kobe shot a lot in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>he shot too much and his teammates resented him for it.

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<v Speaker 1>There were also a bunch of injuries to key players,

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<v Speaker 1>including to Kobe. He fractured his kneecap and missed the

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<v Speaker 1>season's final few weeks. But everything brightened up for him

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<v Speaker 1>his sophomore year when Jermaine Griffin, who had grown up

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<v Speaker 1>in Queens, New York, transferred into Lower Marian and joined

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<v Speaker 1>the basketball team. The two of them were among the

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<v Speaker 1>relatively few black students in the school, and they connected

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<v Speaker 1>immediately over their love of basketball and rap music. Better yet,

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<v Speaker 1>for the Aces, Griffin was the perfect compliment to Kobe

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<v Speaker 1>you on the court. He was smart, tough, played tenacious defense,

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<v Speaker 1>and didn't need to shoot the ball off to help

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<v Speaker 1>the team win games. Lower Marian went sixteen and six

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<v Speaker 1>in Kobe's sophomore year and reached the second round of

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<v Speaker 1>the district playoffs, and there was no doubt any longer

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<v Speaker 1>that Kobe was there to stay. It was like Jamaine

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<v Speaker 1>with the Savior, because the hen will come to Lower

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<v Speaker 1>Marian at the right time, right man, which guy Coba

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<v Speaker 1>he came into the right time, right round. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>a great seven because it's someone that I can be

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<v Speaker 1>saying the basketball so what I'm comfortable with? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>He came I really wrongly going every day. Hey, this

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<v Speaker 1>is Mike Sealsky, host and writer of I Am Kobe.

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<v Speaker 1>This podcast project came out of my work on a

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<v Speaker 1>related book called The Rise Kobe Bryant and the Pursuit

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<v Speaker 1>of Immortality. If you want to explore other parts of

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<v Speaker 1>Kobe's story, check out The Rise. It's not just a

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<v Speaker 1>book version of the podcast. I dive deeper into some

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<v Speaker 1>of the topics covered in this series, and even some

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't cover at all. Kobe's upbringing, his family,

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<v Speaker 1>his identity, his effect on his friends and teammates, his

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<v Speaker 1>journey into the n b A, and his earliest days

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<v Speaker 1>with the Lakers. The Rise Kobe Bryant and the Pursuit

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<v Speaker 1>of Immortality is out now. Just head over to the

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<v Speaker 1>it from any of your favorite retailers. That's The Rise

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<v Speaker 1>of Kobe Book dot Com. Thanks So. Kobe was entrenched

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<v Speaker 1>at Lower Merio, but Joe spent just one year as

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<v Speaker 1>the j V coach before he got a better opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>at a familiar place, his alma mater LaSalle University. The

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<v Speaker 1>head coach there, Speedy Morris, needed to fill an opening

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<v Speaker 1>for an assistant, and one of his friends recommended Joe

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<v Speaker 1>for the job. The Higher maid Sense LSAL was a

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<v Speaker 1>small college in the North Philadelphia neighborhood of Only, but

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<v Speaker 1>it had a strong basketball program for years under Morris.

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<v Speaker 1>The LaSalle Explorers had made the n c A Tournament

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<v Speaker 1>four times in the previous six years. One season they

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<v Speaker 1>went thirty and two and nearly reached the Sweet six

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<v Speaker 1>team and LaSalle had a tradition of recruiting and getting

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<v Speaker 1>the best high school player in or around Philadelphia. Peck

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<v Speaker 1>Joe had been that player at Bartram High School in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventies. But now the program needed a little boost,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe Joe could provide. I know all about the

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<v Speaker 1>boost that the program needed there. The year that Joe

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<v Speaker 1>came back to LASA was the same year I started

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<v Speaker 1>at LaSalle myself as a freshman. Eventually I started covering

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<v Speaker 1>the team for the student newspaper. I got to know

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<v Speaker 1>Speedy Morris well, and I met Joe Bryant too, But

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know anything about Kobe During his first couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years at Lower Merion, nobody really did, which is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of weird when you think about it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you think it would be a big story, right. It

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<v Speaker 1>had all the elements. A once great basketball player was

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<v Speaker 1>now coaching at his old school in his hometown and

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<v Speaker 1>his son was a rising star at a local high school.

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<v Speaker 1>Except it wasn't a big story because at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>there was really only one person in the entire media

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<v Speaker 1>market who recognized that it was a story at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Treatment. Here he is talking about a six teen

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<v Speaker 1>year old Kobe Bryant for a segment on the Inquiry

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<v Speaker 1>High School Sports show. Kobe Bryant has a maturity not

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<v Speaker 1>seen in most sixteen year old superstars. He credits that

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<v Speaker 1>to the strength of his family, especially his relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>his father, former La Salan seventy six star Joe Bryant

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Jelly being Bryant, the popular hometown hero, was a

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<v Speaker 1>two time At this point, Jeremy was still coaching at

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<v Speaker 1>a key behabor where he and Joe had met and

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<v Speaker 1>become friends, but he was also working as a freelance

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<v Speaker 1>reporter for the biggest newspaper in Pennsylvania and the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>media outlet in the entire Delaware Valley. The paper I

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<v Speaker 1>worked for now the Philadelphia Inquiry. As a reporter, Jeremy

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<v Speaker 1>covered a bunch of Lower Marian's games during Kobe's freshman

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<v Speaker 1>and sophomore years, and he wrote a bunch of stories

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<v Speaker 1>about those games, talking to Kobe and Greg down or

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<v Speaker 1>after everyone getting to be friends with both of them.

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<v Speaker 1>But he couldn't persuade his editors at the Inquirer to

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<v Speaker 1>let him do what he wanted to do, a big

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<v Speaker 1>blowout feature all about this rising local basketball phenomenon, Kobe Bryant.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy says they were more interested in focusing on players

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<v Speaker 1>from the city's public and Catholic leagues, and he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>understand why they were missing this obvious story that was

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<v Speaker 1>staring them in the face. There's two levels of the

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<v Speaker 1>frustration there. One was among my friends in general public

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<v Speaker 1>and believe me when I was telling a dot co.

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<v Speaker 1>But the second level of frustration was worse. My editor

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<v Speaker 1>at the time wouldn't give me the opportunity to write

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<v Speaker 1>about him, and I pitched him in ninth grade, tenth grade,

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<v Speaker 1>eleventh grade, and by the end of eleventh grade he

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<v Speaker 1>had come around. But he ended up giving it to

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<v Speaker 1>another writer, Christma Cadis, and his exact word was, it's

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas be He's our he's our high school basketball writer.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember it was in a meeting in front

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<v Speaker 1>of many many people. I said, I've been pitching this

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<v Speaker 1>for three years. He said, Chris's speed. That was this

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<v Speaker 1>guy where Jeremy was crushed. This was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the first big story ever about a kid. Jeremy knew

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be huge. In his mind, he was

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<v Speaker 1>the logical choice to cover Kobe. Nobody on the staff

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<v Speaker 1>knew him, or Joe or Greg down or better. But

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy did catch a break. The editor told him that

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<v Speaker 1>The Inquirer was starting a TV show devoted entirely to

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<v Speaker 1>high school sports. And I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been waiting for this all my life. I'm twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years old. This is it, and this is like TV

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<v Speaker 1>on air. Yeah, it's gonna be on Fox or Challenge

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen or whatever it was on. And they said, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well you're the guys us to know high schools. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have to pitch one story to us, This guy,

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Docker, he said, do you have to pitch one

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<v Speaker 1>story for us, what would it be. I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this guy with the three point five with a

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<v Speaker 1>good because I think school in the country, speaks Italian

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<v Speaker 1>and Sapanish. His dad playing the NBA, and I believe

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<v Speaker 1>he's the best player in the country. And he think.

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<v Speaker 1>The first thing he said was when do we meet him?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I found my place. How long

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<v Speaker 1>is which anything? Grade? Uh? Coach down on myself. We're

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<v Speaker 1>watching the room day and after game, he just said

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<v Speaker 1>to me, goes, does anybody realize that the next uncle

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan is in r GM. Uh. He was in the

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<v Speaker 1>gym and school out in the morning as the high

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<v Speaker 1>school kid. Uh. He was the last one to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>He stayed extra to shoot like five hunter jump shots. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He was very focus. We had a couple of practices

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<v Speaker 1>that were canceled. He was boy king out. He was

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<v Speaker 1>so angry that the practices were canceled. Now Jeremy had

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<v Speaker 1>an outlet to tell the world what he knew they

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<v Speaker 1>needed to know. The one big thing that he felt

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<v Speaker 1>had become his mantle to carry. Kobe Bryant was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be one of the best basketball players the world

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<v Speaker 1>had ever seen. And in his junior year at lower Merion.

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<v Speaker 1>Kobe started to show everyone just that because he spent

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<v Speaker 1>the entire summer of doing pretty much nothing but playing basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>He came back to school a little bigger, a little stronger,

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<v Speaker 1>a little smarter, his skills more refined. The Aces lost

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<v Speaker 1>their first game, then won games in a row. Kobe

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<v Speaker 1>ended up averaging more than thirty one points a game.

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<v Speaker 1>He had forty points in one game, forty two in another.

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<v Speaker 1>An opposing coach said, if you hold Kobe to fifteen points,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll win by thirty. Kobe read that comment and took

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<v Speaker 1>it as a slight against his teammates. So when it

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<v Speaker 1>came time to play that school, he spent all night

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<v Speaker 1>passing the ball to those teammates. He ended up with

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen points and seventeen assists, and lower Merryan one. By

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, Mike Egan was in his first season as

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<v Speaker 1>one of Greg Downer's assistants, and he couldn't believe what

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<v Speaker 1>he was seeing from Kobe. I knew he was good,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know he's a I guess he's a sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old kid. At that day, he just earned sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>UM and then every day he would do something in

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<v Speaker 1>practice and I would look at the other coaches that

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<v Speaker 1>would say, can you believe that? I mean, it could

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<v Speaker 1>be something as simple as, you know, a move he

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<v Speaker 1>made on the baseline. He had a really strange habit

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<v Speaker 1>of his junior year. He kept working on this move

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<v Speaker 1>on the baseline and he kept stepping out of bounds

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, we blow the whistle. You're out of bounds.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing? And then he started getting closer

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<v Speaker 1>and closer. It was just kind of a weird story

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<v Speaker 1>about him just trying to you know, he knew that

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<v Speaker 1>the highest level of basketball is about inches and margins

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<v Speaker 1>and just how close can I get to that edge

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<v Speaker 1>without going over it? Guys. Stewart was a senior on

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<v Speaker 1>that team, one of its leaders, but he wasn't the leader,

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<v Speaker 1>and he kind of knew it. Kobe was the real

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<v Speaker 1>leader of that team. He was very demanding. He was

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<v Speaker 1>very furious on the court. He wanted you to play

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<v Speaker 1>your role and do it great. He pushed you um

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<v Speaker 1>every practice. He he never took off a practice. He

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<v Speaker 1>was always challenging his teammates. You know, we would play

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<v Speaker 1>these games where you know, we would have to guard

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<v Speaker 1>him and he would he would The way he played

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<v Speaker 1>like He didn't care who you were. He didn't care

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<v Speaker 1>if you were his teammate and practice or not. He

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<v Speaker 1>was going to go at you because in his mind,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, if I can challenge you and and and

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<v Speaker 1>into guarding me better, you can guard anybody, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>If if if I'm pushing everybody to be better, we're

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<v Speaker 1>all going to be better as a team. And and

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<v Speaker 1>and that was kind of like his mindset, right, He's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna push everybody. He's going to push himself because the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate goal is to win a championship and to win games.

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<v Speaker 1>The Aces won a lot of games in Kobe's junior season.

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<v Speaker 1>They went twenty six and five, They won the Central

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<v Speaker 1>League title. They made it all the way to the

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<v Speaker 1>district championship game. Lower Merion hadn't won a district championship

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<v Speaker 1>in years, and now here were Kobe and his teammates

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<v Speaker 1>about to play at DuPont Pavilion on the campus of

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<v Speaker 1>Villanova University, and the arena was packed and loud, and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody had forgotten that the team had gone four and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty just a couple of years early. It was an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing turnaround. There was just one problem. Lower Marian was

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<v Speaker 1>about to play the Chester High School Clippers, and Chester

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<v Speaker 1>had the best high school basketball program in Pennsylvania. Just

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<v Speaker 1>the year before, the Clippers had won the state championship,

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<v Speaker 1>the third in the school's history. They've won five more since.

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Twoey has covered Chester basketball for forty years for

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<v Speaker 1>the Delaware County Daily Times. Basketball is everything in the

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<v Speaker 1>city of Chester. It's it's their protein, that's their six Flyers,

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<v Speaker 1>Eagles or whatever. Not that they're not Sixers flyers or

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<v Speaker 1>Eagles fans, but yeah, they live and die with the

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<v Speaker 1>Clippers on the basketball For the city of Chester itself

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<v Speaker 1>could not have been more Unlike Lower Merion Township, of

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<v Speaker 1>the forty people who lived there were black. It had

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<v Speaker 1>a history of redlining, blockbusting, and political corruption. Drug markets

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<v Speaker 1>cropped up in the main teen eighties. By the mid

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen nineties, Chester had seen a huge drop in population

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<v Speaker 1>and prosperity. Searches on to find whoever shot and killed

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<v Speaker 1>a thirteen year old boy and injured two adults in

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<v Speaker 1>Chester and two subspects meets Donna under Earl rust right

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<v Speaker 1>Now and a deadly shooting that was called camera in Chester.

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<v Speaker 1>Take all the polize in Chester or searching for a

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<v Speaker 1>gunman after one man is killed and another is hurt

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<v Speaker 1>in a shooting. Gun fired up to just after six

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<v Speaker 1>last night, it was the poorest city in Pennsylvania and

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<v Speaker 1>the second most dangerous city in America. According to my newspaper,

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<v Speaker 1>The Philadelphia Inquirer. Between the years two thousand and two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand fourteen, Chester average fifty three homicides per one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand people, the highest rate of any city in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Basketball was the one unifying institution there. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that made everyone in Chester proud. It's kind

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:05.679
<v Speaker 1>two diametrically different areas, and obviously, you know, Chester is

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, for lack of a better term, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the press city Economically, Lower Marian is an affluent suburban

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:19.199
<v Speaker 1>community that has a little more you know, finances behind

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:22.439
<v Speaker 1>it than Chester. I think the two biggest sports in

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Chester for a lot of years were basketball and baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actink at one time the city of Chester had

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<v Speaker 1>produced Major League Baseball players than any other city. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's something that you know, in the playgrounds,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's huge. You know, you go down to Memorial

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<v Speaker 1>Park in Chester and you used to be you know,

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 1>leads down there in the summertime and pick up games

0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:51.240
<v Speaker 1>that were just lacious. Chester has been a state power

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<v Speaker 1>and at the high school level since the early nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>early to mid nineteen fifties, and it's just you know, basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a city game and Chester, you know, being a

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<v Speaker 1>being a city at one time, a thriving city that

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<v Speaker 1>had you know, factories and things like that, that just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of manifested into the sport of choice. The Clippers

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<v Speaker 1>had at least eight guys maybe more who could start

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<v Speaker 1>on any high school team in the state. Lower Marian

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<v Speaker 1>had Well, Lower Marian had Kobe, and Lower Marian didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a chance. The final score was Chester seventy seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Lower Marian fifty. Here's Aces coach Greg Downer again. What

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<v Speaker 1>I make of it is we're not ready. Uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to grow some more. We've got much more

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<v Speaker 1>work to do. And I think it was some growing

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<v Speaker 1>pains for us when the Central League compete for the

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<v Speaker 1>district title, make some noise and states and twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>point loss in the district final and maybe that's not

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<v Speaker 1>even competing for the for the district title, and we

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<v Speaker 1>got balanced a little bit early versus Hazelton in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the state quarters, and you know it, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a progression, And you know, I didn't have the sense

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<v Speaker 1>that that we could win the whole thing Kobe's junior year,

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<v Speaker 1>because I really was just in awe as to how

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<v Speaker 1>good Chester was. That lost to Chester stun but not

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<v Speaker 1>as much as the one that ended Lower Merrion season

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<v Speaker 1>a few days later to Hazelton in the second round

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<v Speaker 1>of the state playoffs. The game was tied late in regulation.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let defensive coordinator Mike Egan set the scene. We

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<v Speaker 1>had the ball with the tie game under ten seconds

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<v Speaker 1>left in Kobe. You know, we had what we wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>We had the ball in Kobe's hand the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the court. Um, he went to the basket and coach

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<v Speaker 1>his sons dripped Kobe and went down and um, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if he didn't get the shot off, but

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't make the shot, could have lost the game

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<v Speaker 1>right there. Instead, they lost in overtime. No district championship,

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<v Speaker 1>no state championship. It was the final high school game

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<v Speaker 1>for the team's seniors. The locker room afterward was sad

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<v Speaker 1>and asylum as a church. Kobe was the last guy

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<v Speaker 1>to speak there um, and he started to say something

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<v Speaker 1>and then he just started to cry and started just

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<v Speaker 1>kept saying I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, crying,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just fascinating look at him because he, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he sometimes come off as as being an

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<v Speaker 1>arrogant guy or a cocky guy or um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of easy what he was and he was

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<v Speaker 1>just a great, great team and he felt, um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as a leader of the team, as the best player

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 1>in the team, he should have found a way for

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<v Speaker 1>us to win that night. No one I was felt

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<v Speaker 1>that way, obviously. But during that round table with Greg

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<v Speaker 1>Downer's house last fall, I asked him what the hardest

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<v Speaker 1>part about coaching Kobe was. We often don't think about

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<v Speaker 1>star athletes in those terms. We assume that it must

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<v Speaker 1>be easy to coach them because they're so talented and

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<v Speaker 1>because everything comes so naturally to them. But that's not

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<v Speaker 1>always true. In fact, it's rarely true. Expectations start to increase,

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<v Speaker 1>people start to pay more attention to you and your team,

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<v Speaker 1>everything starts to become more important. Greg, his brother, Drew,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mike Egan batted the question around for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the limelight to be an internalized pressure distractions, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I said, like, we're we're one Kobe sprang

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<v Speaker 1>back away from not winning the Central League, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the expectation that sounds like you the

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<v Speaker 1>the expectation as time went on coming off the ninety

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<v Speaker 1>five was kind of stay title or bus. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're worried about whether he could handle all the exposure.

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<v Speaker 1>He always worried about whether he would get caught up

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<v Speaker 1>in that. Yeah, we could lose his focus or he

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<v Speaker 1>never did, but he always worried. I would say, Greg,

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<v Speaker 1>you really there was a lot of pressure on you,

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<v Speaker 1>right Gregy, young guys, young coach. He's got this prodigy

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<v Speaker 1>who's now you know, top five, top three, top player

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<v Speaker 1>in the country, and you know that that was hard

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<v Speaker 1>and it was only going to get harder over the

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<v Speaker 1>following year. For Kobe, for his family, for Greg Downer,

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone affiliated with the Lower Merian boys basketball program.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about, here's Kobe Bryant, just as his junior season

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<v Speaker 1>is ending. He's emerging as one of the best high

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<v Speaker 1>school basketball players in the country, maybe the best. His

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<v Speaker 1>father is coaching at a local Division one college that

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<v Speaker 1>is desperate to recruit a player of Kobe's caliber to

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<v Speaker 1>return it's basketball program to glory. Meanwhile, next year, Kobe's

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<v Speaker 1>high school team is going to be considered one of

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<v Speaker 1>the favorites to win a district championship and or a

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<v Speaker 1>state championship, which means young Kobe Bryant is caught in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of a whole mess of expectations and forces

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 1>and agendas and opinions. If lower Marian doesn't win a

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<v Speaker 1>state championship, people will say that Kobe is overrated, that

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<v Speaker 1>he's just a selfish gunner who isn't really that good.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are still plenty of people out there who

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe lower Marian is all that good even with Kobe.

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<v Speaker 1>There are still plenty of people out there doubting Kobe Bryant,

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<v Speaker 1>And make no mistake, he hears every single one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember against the argument when of the teaching in the school,

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<v Speaker 1>now in the teacher like the Southern teacher gam Mr Collin, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is when I would a junior. We're like to

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<v Speaker 1>start the playoffs, and he's come up to me. He's

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<v Speaker 1>talking to artist trash and you have to be just

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of testing you, y'all never win a state championship?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you honestly win state championship? Right? Yes? Right here

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<v Speaker 1>are you will never win a state championship? Simple fact.

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<v Speaker 1>Too many people playing out there, many streight teams. I

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<v Speaker 1>think will never have been right, he said, I'm like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>come to that. I'm gonna tell you flies. Just watch.

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<v Speaker 1>That's next week on I Am Kobe. I Am Kobe

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<v Speaker 1>I love our brides before the sun. They don't understand

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<v Speaker 1>when I said to grind is fun. Never clock you

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<v Speaker 1>out even when my work is done. If they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to block me, I might hurt someone through the blood

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<v Speaker 1>sweat and says, we persevered, stay tilling in, let it

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<v Speaker 1>keep the horses, and then if they don't believe in themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>gave revert to find now the Tampa's head. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>telling them that's my a. This the reason why I

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<v Speaker 1>mnna work so damn different to the negatives. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>listen to see me at the time. You can't listen

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<v Speaker 1>for I'm ana mote to play like cash see I

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<v Speaker 1>pay my dudes because taxes gotta work. I think and

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<v Speaker 1>grind ahead of his time. So i'mone saying that they

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<v Speaker 1>made you. Don't tell them you create yourself the best

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<v Speaker 1>Finn watch us, but by that time you gotta sneak

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<v Speaker 1>clock then break clock break. We create ourselves, watch speak,

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<v Speaker 1>clock watch Steve, create my self, shot climb, signs up

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<v Speaker 1>and create yourself. They nice ain't so hard to create yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta learn from the great minds. But we ain't

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<v Speaker 1>lying to tell them next. Any time this talent wasn't given,

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<v Speaker 1>it was made the future. Any time I could change,

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<v Speaker 1>you better tell them that I made it back home.

0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:24.080
<v Speaker 1>As I walked through the hearts of the fame, I

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<v Speaker 1>came from the valley of the Shadow with death waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for a silver spoons. Don't hold your breath, same town,

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<v Speaker 1>sat drains. But I did it with less. I know

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<v Speaker 1>one at the beach, so there's nothing to guess. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing to guess. It's our times. Tell them we

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<v Speaker 1>up next. We don't got any regrets. I did it

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<v Speaker 1>with my soul hands, and we never forget as my an.

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<v Speaker 1>This the reason why my work so damn different to

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<v Speaker 1>the negatives. I can't listen see me at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't listen for where rebuild, re shape, give me

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<v Speaker 1>your eye. You got to risk take do it now.

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<v Speaker 1>When I'm saying while waves, I was saying that they

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<v Speaker 1>made you. Tell them you create yourself on the best

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<v Speaker 1>you finn l watch us by. It's by that time.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to sneak click, then break clack, break we

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<v Speaker 1>create yourself, Watch me, quatch me, watch Steve, watch to

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<v Speaker 1>create myself exact client signs up and create yourself. Say

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<v Speaker 1>nice and ain't go on create yourself. You gotta line

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<v Speaker 1>from the great minds, No we ain't lying. Tell them

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