Speaker 1: R and B Money. We are.
Speaker 2: Than take MALLOCHI. We are the authority on all things
Speaker 2: R and B, ladies and gentleman. My name is Tank.
Speaker 1: This is the R and B Money Podcast, the authority
Speaker 1: on all things R and B.
Speaker 3: About to get into the ship.
Speaker 1: It's about to get R and B. Yeah, the credential
Speaker 1: list is long. Yes, how many people you don't wrote
Speaker 1: and produced for?
Speaker 2: How long you've been doing it? Who wish? Is your competitive?
Speaker 2: Is your competitive?
Speaker 1: You mean with trying to kick down those Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: is it supposed to be? What his post?
Speaker 2: The gentleman brother Michael Pile and the building, our good brother.
Speaker 4: It is good to finally be here.
Speaker 1: Brothers, never matter after a matter of when, whenever you
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, gracing us with your presence, I
Speaker 1: want to say, I want to I want to kick
Speaker 1: this motherfucker off like this. You are probably in the
Speaker 1: spirit of competitive nature, like in terms of knowing somebody
Speaker 1: competitive in this ship, not just in this ship, in life,
Speaker 1: in life you are him. I've watched you from the beginning,
Speaker 1: whether it be on the basketball court, in the studio wherever.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure this ship out, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: stop until I do.
Speaker 2: We be in that gym. I ain't win today, I'll
Speaker 2: be back. I'll be back. Who will pick you on
Speaker 2: the team?
Speaker 4: Me and and he'd tell me just keep shooting, just
Speaker 4: keep shooting, cook him cut.
Speaker 2: I got you back, and I would cut and you
Speaker 2: would come.
Speaker 4: It wasn't every day, but I was they came to
Speaker 4: the gym.
Speaker 1: I was good because because I saw something in you
Speaker 1: that I saw. I saw that no quit in you.
Speaker 1: Early my night me and Jameson talk about you. I said,
Speaker 1: when that nigga figured it out, he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: problem because he's he's he's taking the fucking stairs. He
Speaker 1: not taking no shortcuts. He is taking the absolute stairs.
Speaker 1: And and not to go too far forward, because we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about all that, but being in the studio
Speaker 1: with you working on my album and watching you work
Speaker 1: like differently than you working for everybody else, like you
Speaker 1: were actually working for me, and me being able to
Speaker 1: sit back and say, let him, let him you see
Speaker 1: where he is right now. It was just you at
Speaker 1: the mic I think was it recording.
Speaker 4: Is always That's the only one I remember.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: He was right there beside you, and it was you
Speaker 1: at the board with the mic and him and who
Speaker 1: was it me? And uh, who is with us?
Speaker 4: Frank? But also to he came later we had Lucky
Speaker 4: in there too.
Speaker 3: They came.
Speaker 1: But when we were doing and you were sitting there
Speaker 1: at the mic and you were working hm, and I
Speaker 1: was just like and Frank was like, no he should
Speaker 1: mm hmm.
Speaker 4: He cooked. Let him cook. He cooked ham.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like, this motherfucker got it.
Speaker 2: He figured it out. He got it.
Speaker 3: He hot.
Speaker 4: That's crazy that you said that, man. And I really
Speaker 4: appreciate you, like throughout the years, really pouring into me
Speaker 4: like he did, because that's the type of energy I'll
Speaker 4: always respect to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just need one nigga.
Speaker 4: To just put the battery in, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Then I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get it cooking.
Speaker 4: But you know, my my process, things don't just come
Speaker 4: like that, you know what I mean. But if you
Speaker 4: sit there, like you said, letting nigga simmers fall back,
Speaker 4: let him cook, give him a couple of times to
Speaker 4: work up, and you're gonna get with you, you know.
Speaker 1: Because you're you're you're cerebro, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you're smart and so you know Man, I appreciate
Speaker 1: you saying all this shit.
Speaker 4: For real. I really am taking all this in.
Speaker 2: Bro. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 1: Bro, we've been watching you for years, for years. You're smart,
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, and then and then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do this and then see what the way that we've
Speaker 1: had those phone conversations and then nigga, because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put it that way, make it and it's like this,
Speaker 1: I hear you. Everything we've ever talked about, everything that
Speaker 1: you've always said that you're.
Speaker 2: That's why you're here. You're here.
Speaker 1: We have to tell that story because again, everybody, always,
Speaker 1: everybody loves to celebrate the finished product with that story
Speaker 1: and that journey there.
Speaker 4: Come on that mud, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That rough side of that mountain.
Speaker 4: That process you god damn right, that process for real.
Speaker 1: I ain't listen. I haven't hit a lottery. I never
Speaker 1: hit the lottery in the business. Now we're living a lottery,
Speaker 1: but I've never hit the just run away.
Speaker 4: I have to work for all of them.
Speaker 1: So that's where we're relating that because you got to
Speaker 1: live that one. You gotta be a dog to live
Speaker 1: that one, because we got to start from the beginning
Speaker 1: every time. Yeah, every time, you gotta have a different
Speaker 1: kind of muscle. Yeah, to have fifteen twenty of just
Speaker 1: grind out.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's just something that you want. My dad always
Speaker 4: told me what you had that your brother.
Speaker 2: Didn't have was tenacity.
Speaker 4: He got it and and I took that in it
Speaker 4: because you know, as an artist, you want to feel respected.
Speaker 4: And I felt like the ones getting respect were the
Speaker 4: ones that were just everything they touched turn go or
Speaker 4: they just was getting it off the top, and I
Speaker 4: was putting unwanted pressure on myself. Once I slowed down though,
Speaker 4: and got to really like understand, all right, I could
Speaker 4: take my time with this, and if they want to
Speaker 4: allow me to take my time, then it ain't for me.
Speaker 4: But I got to do my process. So when you say,
Speaker 4: like work at it, I think my whole. If you
Speaker 4: could sum up my life as a whole, it would
Speaker 4: just be one word process. I'm always in process.
Speaker 1: Well, let's go to the beginning's process, Yes, sir, let's
Speaker 1: go to the beginning. When I E, I've lived out
Speaker 1: that way. I got some friends out there.
Speaker 4: Out there. He is it fifteen I E? Or two fifteen?
Speaker 2: I E? Question, I'm two fifteen? Is deep?
Speaker 1: I E? Yeah, uh, that's a good one.
Speaker 4: You you probably more like fifteen if you was in
Speaker 4: Rancho Ontario.
Speaker 2: I was Rancho, Yeah, I was. I was Corona.
Speaker 4: There was the niggas that moved on up, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 1: I wasn't up. I was moving down. I had to
Speaker 1: get out of l A because the money was funny.
Speaker 1: Oh ye, so you know they had this nice two
Speaker 1: bedroom in Rancho Cucamonga.
Speaker 2: Yeah for a steal. You're still.
Speaker 4: On the two fifteen.
Speaker 2: He was on the team. What's the part out there
Speaker 2: in the name name sam burn bernd.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you got Sarardino, then you got Rialto,
Speaker 4: then you got Fontana, then you got uh, Rancho got Ontario.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think what sam Berni.
Speaker 5: You can't say sam Bernid, Boden, sam Berdena and Burdeno.
Speaker 1: So yeah, from out there, we called it, we call
Speaker 1: it the din.
Speaker 2: So one of my guys heardest he was my production
Speaker 2: manager and all of that. For years.
Speaker 1: That's where him and his family lived. So I would
Speaker 1: always go out there to hang out with him and
Speaker 1: his family what have you. And I thought it was
Speaker 1: cool out there, and that's what gave me even the
Speaker 1: idea when I just wasn't working out for me, I
Speaker 1: was like, man, I got to go somewhere where I
Speaker 1: can in the live cool and still get back if
Speaker 1: I need to. That's why I went to Rancho and
Speaker 1: went to Croma.
Speaker 2: That's yeah. I like that. I was out there living it.
Speaker 2: I was. I was. It was the best buy. No,
Speaker 2: it was a circus city out there. I was.
Speaker 1: I was the king of Circus City. I was always
Speaker 1: buying something out of Circus City. King king of Circus City.
Speaker 1: And then there was a red Lobster. I was the
Speaker 1: king of that red lobster. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That was always those two places.
Speaker 1: And those two places A Biscus, Yeah, they knew where
Speaker 1: you was and everything, and and uh Ontario Mills.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you gotta get to get there. You
Speaker 2: gotta get your clothes.
Speaker 1: At a discount when the money you know, let you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, you can still look like last seasons.
Speaker 2: But you know, so you you born and raised there.
Speaker 4: I'm born in Sanmardino, really raised in Rialto. I lived
Speaker 4: in Salmordino for like four or five years of my
Speaker 4: life and then my dad uh married again and shout
Speaker 4: out to my dad who uh on his own man
Speaker 4: was taking care of three boys and a girl on
Speaker 4: the weekends in Samarandino. My dad actually built the projects
Speaker 4: we was born in. What he built the projects we
Speaker 4: was born in.
Speaker 2: We was in construction.
Speaker 4: No, it just was he needed a job, and so
Speaker 4: he worked on the projects we was born. Like, I
Speaker 4: came home to the first place I ever lived. He
Speaker 4: worked in the hell building. He helped build them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not by trade.
Speaker 4: Out of survival.
Speaker 1: Nigga, what y'all need these logs? Yeah, you need a hammeletage.
Speaker 1: Come on, ain't it out?
Speaker 4: My dad did whatever so these kids so yeah, So
Speaker 4: we basically grew up in the projects. We didn't know
Speaker 4: they was projects because they was townhomes.
Speaker 1: None of us, none of us, See, I didn't stay
Speaker 1: long enough to know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me everybody didn't have roaches.
Speaker 4: That never woke up with a roach run across the okay.
Speaker 2: Super super roach. They were just staying neat with you.
Speaker 2: What you what you'll got?
Speaker 4: Yah?
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 4: You get to a point you turn the lights on,
Speaker 4: they don't even run. It's just lazy.
Speaker 2: But look at you like this, what you need? Can
Speaker 2: we help you.
Speaker 4: You know, we got an agreement.
Speaker 2: You're killing us.
Speaker 4: And then you go up to the bathroom a certain hour.
Speaker 4: They like, what you're doing in here? This is our time.
Speaker 4: Like I'm talking about. Yeah, bro, I'm talking about I
Speaker 4: lived in like project talking about Candy House.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 4: We had the candy lady. Realized how dangerous that is.
Speaker 5: Live there though you don't feel dangerous, it just feels
Speaker 5: like your friends.
Speaker 1: Really, But it's the thing. Can we say this, It
Speaker 1: wasn't as dangerous. It was dangerous.
Speaker 5: It was dangerous. You were just you were just part
Speaker 5: of that environment at the time. It was dangerous.
Speaker 4: So I grew up in there was a project called
Speaker 4: the Little Zions right across the street, back and forth, shootouts.
Speaker 4: It was all that.
Speaker 1: I understand that. I understand that, understand the Vinus was there,
Speaker 1: understand all these things was there. But I think that
Speaker 1: I think that the ogs at that point in time
Speaker 1: had a little bit more reverence for kids and women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you got to say, because because is that But listen,
Speaker 1: the grandmothers were still there too.
Speaker 2: It's true, that's true, and it was some it was
Speaker 2: some respect, it was something. It was still something like
Speaker 2: you say, the candy lady.
Speaker 1: The candy lady wasn't wasn't putting nothing crazy in your
Speaker 1: true candy living that never put you never heard of
Speaker 1: somebody say I got something from the candle lad that
Speaker 1: was on the hospital for.
Speaker 2: Two days, for two weeks.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, you just don't know. It's now, it's really
Speaker 1: there's no respect, no more.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So my mind wasn't a project, but it was a hood.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know. Of course, we didn't
Speaker 1: know it was the hood. I just knew it was
Speaker 1: a bunch of gang members and fights and stabbings and whatever.
Speaker 1: I thought that was normal.
Speaker 6: Like you grew up in the fifties, the knife was
Speaker 6: very well.
Speaker 1: A knife and a fight was a thing. Somebody had
Speaker 1: a gun. He was different, pop. So it's just like,
Speaker 1: you know, I just feel like my great grandfather had respect.
Speaker 1: I mean he had a shotgun on the porch, but
Speaker 1: everybody else had knives. See that you had it's all
Speaker 1: making now you'all house had the gun.
Speaker 2: Your gun makes perfect sense.
Speaker 4: You was with the equalizer.
Speaker 2: He had to watch.
Speaker 1: Paul Lewis had that shotgun on standby. Put the little
Speaker 1: dim and sit on that port and dare a nigga
Speaker 1: to talk, just not saying nothing to him, to talk.
Speaker 1: Talk while you're in front of my house.
Speaker 2: He had a different type of chip on his shoulder.
Speaker 1: What was going on, right, Hey, paul Lewis come home
Speaker 1: and say, it's a big difference now, Paul Lewis home,
Speaker 1: full name. It's a big motherfucking difference now.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah?
Speaker 2: And is it? And we'd be sitting at the kids
Speaker 2: the tableau. Don't look up, just don't look at it.
Speaker 1: If you don't look at him, keep walking, don't don't
Speaker 1: look at him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul Lewis home now, his white big Mamay. I know, I.
Speaker 7: Know, I know.
Speaker 2: My grandma was the only one.
Speaker 1: Sit down somewhere, Pop, go sit down somewhere. You've been drinking,
Speaker 1: sit down, and my grandma was the only one the
Speaker 1: rest of us.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: But it's like you said, it's like the difference in respect.
Speaker 1: But getting back to your to your to your story
Speaker 1: like that growing up in the hood thing and your
Speaker 1: father working on the projects as not a constructor is
Speaker 1: giving me more insight into your blood line.
Speaker 2: People. And to think that.
Speaker 1: This nigga was like twenty three years old, twenty three.
Speaker 1: This nigga was like with folk kids.
Speaker 2: Oh he was woman R and B music for you
Speaker 2: know what. For sure, I think it was the gospel.
Speaker 2: He was in the church with twenty at twenty three
Speaker 2: with four kids.
Speaker 4: They didn't kick him out, no, because he was married.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, all right, Yeah he got married. They got
Speaker 4: married young, but they kind of got forced to get married.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a it's a classic black story. I
Speaker 4: had the I had the grandfather that was the.
Speaker 2: You're gonna marry my baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but also too well, he was my mom's stepdad
Speaker 4: because my mom's dad was Filipino and he got gunned
Speaker 4: down when she was like seven. Uh so we never
Speaker 4: really like knew him like that. But yeah, that's another story.
Speaker 4: But getting back to like my upbringing, yeah, projects all
Speaker 4: of that until five and then we moved. We moved
Speaker 4: up for us, moved to Rialto and we actually lived
Speaker 4: in the neighborhood. My dad got married to my stepmom.
Speaker 4: They're still still together today. And yeah, we moved to
Speaker 4: a we moved to a three bedroom house that was
Speaker 4: like a thousand square feet and but it looked like
Speaker 4: it was it was like a bedroom, right, Yeah, every
Speaker 4: bedrooms literally was.
Speaker 3: Just going from a bedroom to bedroom to bears.
Speaker 4: Yes, literally going from bedroom in the bedroom.
Speaker 1: But because when you think about it now, yes, it's
Speaker 1: like when you go back to the house you grew
Speaker 1: up in, everything is really Yeah, everything seems really small.
Speaker 2: But when I was a kid, this was the biggest house.
Speaker 2: But even people though about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're like d you was really a little
Speaker 1: nigga talking ship to be like that, Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just because you was thirty, Yeah yeah, little as that
Speaker 1: should have fired on you. Hey, when you grow up
Speaker 1: and go through stuff, you you realize how it ain't ship.
Speaker 4: Motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: Was niggas promising you bikes and ship? What lost in you? Yeah?
Speaker 4: All the while trying to get that to your mama.
Speaker 2: They were trying to get that mama, my daddy.
Speaker 1: Come on, you're in real in this new space. Do
Speaker 1: you do you at some point while you're while you're
Speaker 1: this kid, realized that you have a love for music
Speaker 1: or does somebody kind of pointed out for you.
Speaker 4: Oh No, I knew it for me because I was
Speaker 4: real in kindergarten. I don't remember much about kindergarten, but
Speaker 4: I do remember that I did a talent show with
Speaker 4: the group and we were new additions, had a group, yes,
Speaker 4: and I was mad because I couldn't be Bobby Brown.
Speaker 2: Well you should be.
Speaker 4: Somebody else picked Bobby Man. Somebody else picked Bobby. And
Speaker 4: on top of that, I had this suit that I hated.
Speaker 4: I hated niggas that wore the suits I wanted to.
Speaker 4: I wanted to express myself in church. That's probably why
Speaker 4: I hated it. I had this suit on it and
Speaker 4: I didn't At this point, I didn't know which one
Speaker 4: which member I was. I just knew I wasn't Bobby,
Speaker 4: and they didn't give me the leads. And I think
Speaker 4: that of all I knew was this other nigga named Brandon,
Speaker 4: and he was my he was my boy. But he
Speaker 4: took the lead part and I just kept looking at
Speaker 4: him like man, why Yes, That's this is when I knew,
Speaker 4: like R and B was my shape because I wanted to,
Speaker 4: especially sing my prorogative, and I wanted to do that
Speaker 4: lean that he'd be doing. And I had a gunby
Speaker 4: just like Bobby. It was a kitchen cut, but it
Speaker 4: was a biggest singing the lead.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Wait, but and then that's the other thing. I think
Speaker 1: they tricked you because my prerogative is not a new addition.
Speaker 5: That's just Bobby by himself. So actually you were in
Speaker 5: Heart and Soul as a dancer. You really wasn't in
Speaker 5: new edition. No, I'm giving you the real now, because.
Speaker 4: Right we was new audition. But I wanted to sing
Speaker 4: my parrogative.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, y'all wasn't new edition.
Speaker 1: If y'all as the telephone man, No, he wasn't my
Speaker 1: paraety you know now.
Speaker 4: And I told you, I don't remember much now that
Speaker 4: I think about it. Now I think about it. We
Speaker 4: were singing the Boys. You remember the Boys?
Speaker 2: Do I remember the boys? R and B?
Speaker 4: I wasn't the lead nigga. And that's what I talked
Speaker 4: about and checked this out. Hakeem is Michah spelled backwards.
Speaker 2: Man, what what what are you doing?
Speaker 4: That's what I was, nigga.
Speaker 2: This is all that was going through my moment. But
Speaker 2: that's my name.
Speaker 4: Yes, So it was that moment, that talent show that
Speaker 4: I knew that I wanted to do music.
Speaker 2: I wanted to be R and B.
Speaker 4: My mom took us to remember at the the carnival,
Speaker 4: they used to have this place where you could do.
Speaker 2: Your own music video. Yep.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And so my mom and my stepdad, who was
Speaker 1: shout out the og day Foreman.
Speaker 4: Y'all probably know Dave Forman, guitar player. He was my stepdad.
Speaker 4: He was married to my mom. Yeah, it's gonna get
Speaker 4: tricky because it's a lot of times we're gonna uncover.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4: No, I'm not kidding. Dave Forman was my stepdadges I've
Speaker 4: shared with Dave Forman, everybody shared with Dave Foreman. And
Speaker 4: to bring it all around full circle, day form A
Speaker 4: co produce on the song with DJ Quick that I
Speaker 4: did with the Game. Were all in the session, like
Speaker 4: old school session, doing it from scratch, and I'm in
Speaker 4: my I'm my mind is blown that this has happened.
Speaker 4: This was just a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah, so I never knew that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So my mom was married to day for me. They
Speaker 4: took us to the carnival and we did, we did,
Speaker 4: and that day we did Down my Heart and I
Speaker 4: was the lead nigga because it was me.
Speaker 2: It was it was me, and it was me and
Speaker 2: my two.
Speaker 3: Brothers because now it's his brothers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was me. And my two brothers and Dave
Speaker 4: and his uh my uncle Al and other dude named Cliff.
Speaker 4: They were in the back playing playing as the band
Speaker 4: It's Goofy, just having fun and they chopped the video
Speaker 4: up and all that. My parents still got the vhs
Speaker 4: to that, bro. But those were the days where I figured, like,
Speaker 4: all right, that was when my life started to become
Speaker 4: one big ass R and B video because I was
Speaker 4: never able to see life any different when it comes
Speaker 4: to like my love for women. I just always seen
Speaker 4: it as seen women that I loved in this little
Speaker 4: motion from a little kid. And so I think, because
Speaker 4: I feel R and B music is nothing but peel.
Speaker 1: Now you're like, okay, I can. I can do that,
Speaker 1: I can write that, I can produce that I can.
Speaker 1: When does it become I can't?
Speaker 2: That didn't come till like later when I got in
Speaker 2: a group.
Speaker 3: So this is probably what B two K days.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually met Omari before I met my group members.
Speaker 4: We like he like he said. We went to school together.
Speaker 4: Omari then spend nights at the crib and we my
Speaker 4: my other cousin David, who live with us. Two we
Speaker 4: all went to Hamilton. I remember days where the car
Speaker 4: would break down and we pushing the car up the hill.
Speaker 4: I remember Omari seeing him pop locking in his sleep,
Speaker 4: like when people say that he does that, the nigga
Speaker 4: used to pop lock in the.
Speaker 2: Champagne.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, when niggas say that he walks around
Speaker 4: dancing all day pop locking in his sleep, dog, did.
Speaker 1: You ever try to wake him up? Say hey man,
Speaker 1: you trip, You're gonna fall off the pa. You at
Speaker 1: some point say how can I really be of value?
Speaker 1: How can I be of value to this business and
Speaker 1: then ultimately to myself? And when do you make that switch?
Speaker 1: Because then you now you're not just an artist anymore.
Speaker 1: Now you're a curator of artists and what they're trying
Speaker 1: to do and the stories that they're trying to tell,
Speaker 1: and the career that they're trying to have. When do
Speaker 1: you make the switch and realize that you're valuable in
Speaker 1: that space?
Speaker 4: When I stopped listening to niggas, tell me just focus
Speaker 4: on being an artist. When I knew all along that
Speaker 4: I could write these songs, and I could write better
Speaker 4: songs than niggas was doing for us and to the group, stuff,
Speaker 4: just it just wasn't popping. And I saw like that
Speaker 4: was around the time neo and dream like writers was
Speaker 4: turned into full on artists, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And so I was like, man, let me try my
Speaker 4: hand at this route. So I started getting in and
Speaker 4: just you know, writing stuff. Some of my first songs
Speaker 4: were for Jeanne back when she was like trying to
Speaker 4: figure her thing out. Me and her, we was just
Speaker 4: going and just be writing. And that was like school
Speaker 4: for me, you know. And then I started getting I
Speaker 4: started hearing other people's stuff. I started hearing other other
Speaker 4: people get off, you know, people like find.
Speaker 2: Le Roy who else Andre married?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like they was having runs and I remember, so
Speaker 4: I had to get a job and I started working
Speaker 4: as a car salesman at.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: It's it's funny to me because I have a vivid
Speaker 4: picture in my mind of me being a car salesman, yes,
Speaker 4: and going to this going to this car lot every day,
Speaker 4: knowing good and god damn well, I'm not supposed to
Speaker 4: be here. But I'm like, you know what, I gotta do,
Speaker 4: what I gotta do. And we in Singi Valley and
Speaker 4: you know how hot I see me validated. As soon
Speaker 4: as somebody get on that lot, you got to get up,
Speaker 4: go get themselves. I did decent at it. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: the thing that was killing me was I was I
Speaker 4: was working deals and hearing the Homies music being played
Speaker 4: over the you know those songs that I knew the
Speaker 4: Homies wrote, and I'm like, I'm talking, I'm talking about tears.
Speaker 4: I would go to the bathroom and cry because I
Speaker 4: felt like I blew my shot.
Speaker 2: I'm here?
Speaker 4: How did I get here?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: Because that it's that competitive thing in me. It's like, nah,
Speaker 4: I know I'm one in the one. I know I
Speaker 4: gotta get that. I know I know what I can do.
Speaker 4: So I ended up I ended up getting fired from
Speaker 4: that job. I got fired from every job that I
Speaker 4: was part of. But why do you think that is, Brother,
Speaker 4: It's not. It's not a destination. It's not a destination.
Speaker 4: It's just a pitch. You have to get fired, though,
Speaker 4: I do because God is like, You're not gonna leave you.
Speaker 4: Hear me.
Speaker 1: I've never had a job, so I'm like, I'm over
Speaker 1: talking about how to keep.
Speaker 2: I don't even know.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what to.
Speaker 4: Do to get on. You know, I'll get it. So
Speaker 4: I end up. You look like a nigga that got fired.
Speaker 4: Why it's like me, Bro, you got a one track mine.
Speaker 2: Bro, I'm to be with you.
Speaker 4: I'm actually picking you up right now, broth of you.
Speaker 4: You definitely would have done from.
Speaker 3: My uncle company.
Speaker 4: No, definitely, Bro. I got fired from that job and
Speaker 4: I was like, no, this is my time to really
Speaker 4: turn up. So God I blessed me with another job
Speaker 4: that was flexible. I was mentoring kids and working in
Speaker 4: group homes and I was doing it on weekends. I
Speaker 4: would that job was so flexible it allowed me to
Speaker 4: still move how I wanted to move and be in
Speaker 4: the studio and do those things until I got fired
Speaker 4: from that and then that was like the last job
Speaker 4: I ever had. And God has blessed me and sustained
Speaker 4: me to be able to move through this business and
Speaker 4: take some bumps and losses, but like, for real, like.
Speaker 2: Still be here.
Speaker 1: Give me the moment you're fired. You need a moment, right,
Speaker 1: You needed a finding moment that says one of two things.
Speaker 2: One I can do this and two.
Speaker 1: Here is the either success or revenue to prove it.
Speaker 2: What moment is that.
Speaker 4: When I got my first placement, my first actual that
Speaker 4: moment was for me. It won't stop the record with
Speaker 4: seven mm hmm.
Speaker 2: What's that your first record? No, it wasn't my first record,
Speaker 2: but it was.
Speaker 4: It was. It was my first record before it was
Speaker 4: my first record that charted, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: If you want to talk about when I thought I
Speaker 4: was going to arrive, it was the Drake song I did.
Speaker 4: I did a song called July, which was I originally
Speaker 4: did it with Ja and he heard the song because
Speaker 4: my boy Jazz, who was rocking with us, he took
Speaker 4: it over to Drakers like, man, I'm telling you got
Speaker 4: to get on this. He was trying to get him
Speaker 4: as a feature. Drake was like, no, I want this song.
Speaker 2: He yeah, you yeah.
Speaker 4: So he ended up doing doing verses on it, singing
Speaker 4: my Jene was on the hook. I ended up seeing
Speaker 4: him at Chris. Remember Chris and Polo used to have
Speaker 4: the skate parties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was going up.
Speaker 4: I would ended up seeing him at the skate party
Speaker 4: and he stopped me. He was like, yo, congratulations, and
Speaker 4: I'm like what's good. He like, Yo, We're gonna get
Speaker 4: Beyonce on July and we're gonna put it out. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, word, all right, cool, just make sure let's
Speaker 4: do the business like I try to play him cool,
Speaker 4: but in my heart, I was like this, this is
Speaker 4: this is my moment, this is my moment. So and
Speaker 4: at that time, me and Drake was uh like, remember
Speaker 4: it wasn't FaceTime. It was like, uh, I chat. We
Speaker 4: was I chatting ideas back and forth, and on BBM
Speaker 4: he was on BBM Heavy. So like three months go by,
Speaker 4: I get it, I get to get in touch with
Speaker 4: g and hip hop. They're like, yeah, we're using the record,
Speaker 4: We're doing this. Then one day the record just leaks
Speaker 4: and it's getting played on Hot ninety seven and all
Speaker 4: these radio stations in it, and I'm like, huh, this
Speaker 4: was supposed to be the Beyonce. So I hated him
Speaker 4: and I'm like, yo, bro, what happened? How did the
Speaker 4: worker get leaked? And all you had for me was
Speaker 4: and know it's shitty. And then a few months later
Speaker 4: he comes out with was the album Hard At the
Speaker 4: Crazy album, Thank Me Later, and there's a song called
Speaker 4: Fireworks on there. I'm not insinuating anything, but I'm just
Speaker 4: like that, I'm just being transparent with you. I was
Speaker 4: fucked up by that because I felt like, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And I and I and I would
Speaker 4: tell everybody about this song that I got coming, and
Speaker 4: he was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah for show for
Speaker 4: Shure and shout out my boy Diesel. He paid for
Speaker 4: the session for that song. Yeah, and my boy, my
Speaker 4: boy Sticks, my boy Sticks recorded that song, you know stick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you do one more, y'all know about niggas.
Speaker 3: That's our friends.
Speaker 5: This is my friend in my real life industry, that's
Speaker 5: my friend.
Speaker 2: Right, Stop it, bro, This.
Speaker 4: Is the one place where assumptions are allowed. Okay, assumptions
Speaker 4: are allowed here, all right, cool, cool, cool, I got you.
Speaker 2: It won't happen again.
Speaker 4: Boss. So the record leagues and I still get paid
Speaker 4: royalties from that song.
Speaker 2: It ain't like but that's how big.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what's crazy. We never did no splits, no
Speaker 4: nothing for it. But yeah, after him doing that, it
Speaker 4: really put a real bitter taste in my mouth for
Speaker 4: the the music music industry because I felt like that
Speaker 4: was some industry ship, you know.
Speaker 2: But it could have been something that was out of
Speaker 2: his control.
Speaker 4: I know, right, you know, and and and and now,
Speaker 4: looking in hindsight, I consider all things right, But back then,
Speaker 4: you just yeah, because that could have changed my life. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that that could have been life changing for me, because
Speaker 4: I can't tell you how many people I know when
Speaker 4: they find out I did that song or they're like,
Speaker 4: that's one of my favorite songs. I don't have many
Speaker 4: songs as many songs as a lot of people out here,
Speaker 4: but the songs that I do have, so many people
Speaker 4: tell me that that is one of their favorite songs.
Speaker 4: And I'll take that any day.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're saying, from from that song, even though
Speaker 1: it didn't turn out the way you hoped it would,
Speaker 1: the seven record is the one that actually gave you
Speaker 1: everything that you needed to get from it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely is absolutely ship absolutely.
Speaker 3: And it came out twice because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: So that that that record dropped in, I'm just like,
Speaker 4: you produce that. So these guys that John Baptiste had,
Speaker 4: they were like some French dudes. I forget their name now,
Speaker 4: and that's terrible. They were No, they were signed to Diplo,
Speaker 4: So Diplo's name is on the credit. But yeah, that
Speaker 4: to me, that just was such a you know how
Speaker 4: you do certain records and you like, I'm just doing
Speaker 4: this for them. I'm not attached to this record like that.
Speaker 4: It's just for them. I do this in my sleep.
Speaker 4: That record was one that was like spiritual because I
Speaker 4: can tell you I went in that booth and the
Speaker 4: first things I did was the song I'm talking about
Speaker 4: from and then it Won't Dumb. I scattered all that
Speaker 4: on the first time, and that's hot. That's when I
Speaker 4: know God is in the room. And we was like, nah,
Speaker 4: we're writing too that. You know how you go somebody
Speaker 4: else go in and do melodies. There was like nope,
Speaker 4: we got it, got it. And so me and Sef
Speaker 4: went in on that record.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: And what's crazy is that session. Ty Ty Dollard sign
Speaker 4: called me to come to that session because he wasn't
Speaker 4: gonna be able to make it. Oh, so I kind
Speaker 4: of like filled in for Ti dollars, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, and and you delivered and I delivered. And
Speaker 4: that ended up being like, uh, we worked like a week.
Speaker 4: We did a couple of different records, but that was
Speaker 4: my first time really locking in with Sef. I had
Speaker 4: knew her before that, but never really locked in with
Speaker 4: her like that. And that started our relationship where that's
Speaker 4: like my musical wifey, Like every time we.
Speaker 1: Go in it's crazy. So when you get this record
Speaker 1: and it's finally popping. You know, we know the phone
Speaker 1: calls to come and the meetings that come. Mhm, you know,
Speaker 1: would you would you like to do a copub?
Speaker 2: You like to?
Speaker 1: How can we help because at this point you haven't
Speaker 1: done a deal yet. No, I did.
Speaker 2: I had already had a deal by then. I did.
Speaker 4: I didn't I deal with you and PG okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: twenty eleven.
Speaker 5: And then it shout Outlaneer, it won't stop, don't come
Speaker 5: out to win.
Speaker 4: That was like two thousand and thirteen.
Speaker 2: Shot, does this song get you out of your deal? No?
Speaker 4: Because I was in an antiquated deal which was based
Speaker 4: on you know, the fine print. It's gotta be you
Speaker 4: got a three song commendment, but it got to be
Speaker 4: on an album, a domestic album at that and it
Speaker 4: can't be an EP. And this was around the time
Speaker 4: where all niggas was doing was EPs and mixtapes and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I had to like, yeah, I got that deal amended,
Speaker 4: but around that time, it was just an antiquated deal.
Speaker 4: But I honestly, man, I came to you though, yeah,
Speaker 4: and I didn't. I didn't even worry about that stuff.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: I really just wanted to like cement my name and
Speaker 4: my legacy, you know what I mean. And so I
Speaker 4: was working with everybody. Man, I went in with Chris.
Speaker 4: This was like years before it won't stop. When when
Speaker 4: Chris had that thing with Rihanna, we that was bad.
Speaker 4: Well Chris had that thing with Rihanna. He kind of
Speaker 4: was just you know, locked himself in the studio and
Speaker 4: I was like one of the dudes that was in
Speaker 4: the studio winning working on working on that mixtape.
Speaker 2: We did a song called talk that Ship.
Speaker 4: I did a song called go Away, which was on
Speaker 4: the the deluxe album of Graffiti. And shout out to
Speaker 4: Chris Man because I learned a lot about writing working
Speaker 4: with him too. I learned learned a lot about like,
Speaker 4: you know, staying locked in and and focusing.
Speaker 1: And reed in once he's in the booth and it's
Speaker 1: time to work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if you.
Speaker 1: Work and until the song is finished, were in here, yeah,
Speaker 1: like and it listen, you better have your lyrics and
Speaker 1: your melodies died up, yeah, and ready to go yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's gonna go by fast, fast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's gonna go fast.
Speaker 4: That's where I really first learned that that style of writing.
Speaker 2: On second guess. Yeah, yeah, you're.
Speaker 4: Going in there scatting melodies and then writing to the
Speaker 4: melodies and stuff. Before that, I hadn't really like wrote
Speaker 4: like that, but that that actually, like was a great tool.
Speaker 4: Because I am a melody guy. It takes me a
Speaker 4: long time to come up with certain lyrics because sometimes
Speaker 4: I overthink.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I just want everything to.
Speaker 4: Read out poetically and all that. But like, nah, I
Speaker 4: had to I had to learn that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's a different type of.
Speaker 1: He he writes more in a rapper space for R
Speaker 1: and B than he does like in an R and B.
Speaker 2: Space especially now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he's not like once you, I guess, once
Speaker 1: you figure out you're really good at something.
Speaker 2: Like overthink, it's just it's not an option.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not an option.
Speaker 1: The lyrics and these melodies are good, and we don't
Speaker 1: even I don't even to think. Like last time I
Speaker 1: wrote with him, we didn't even go through melodies. He's
Speaker 1: in the booth and he would sing something but ooh
Speaker 1: that's fire, say this word or oh make that note
Speaker 1: this Yeah, yeah, keep going and that's it.
Speaker 4: Oh. Niggas is professed. Niggas have mastered it.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 4: And the thing is, I feel like there's a there's
Speaker 4: a difference between writing and communicating, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: because when you communicating his audience, he knows how to
Speaker 4: communicate to his audience, you know, and for better or worse,
Speaker 4: man like some people get mad and he puts thirty
Speaker 4: six songs on an album and all of that, but.
Speaker 2: He's just empty in the clip. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 2: all in communicating.
Speaker 1: It's not even just that he's one of the rare
Speaker 1: artists who learned the business early, who understood where the
Speaker 1: business was going early and understood that not only am
Speaker 1: I going to play the music game, or good music
Speaker 1: game for that matter, I'm going to play the numbers game.
Speaker 1: Play the numbers game because by the time you listen
Speaker 1: to all of these songs, that will count for two sales.
Speaker 4: But he but not not to like harp on Chris Brown.
Speaker 4: But it does go to speak to artistry, right because
Speaker 4: I like to believe that you're either an artist or
Speaker 4: an entertainer, and he's one of the ones that have
Speaker 4: learned how to straddle that line between being an artist
Speaker 4: and entertainer and either one. Nobody's wrong in what you choose.
Speaker 4: Just understand what comes with either one. You know, so
Speaker 4: he's mastered that.
Speaker 1: Give me another moment where you're where you where you
Speaker 1: pound on your chest and you say I'm him.
Speaker 2: Oh man, it's been it's been a great journey.
Speaker 4: Man. I like to say, I mean supposed to be,
Speaker 4: come on, scared of it, supposed to be because you know,
Speaker 4: and I gotta be Bho by Marion featuring Chris Brown
Speaker 4: and yeah, that was my first top ten record, And
Speaker 4: it's funny that it would be with Omar and I know,
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure he thinks the same way. Like we've
Speaker 4: been knowing each other more than we haven't known each other,
Speaker 4: you know. But man, that line, that infamous line, Yes,
Speaker 4: I've learned to be proud of it.
Speaker 3: Why you felt away for a minute?
Speaker 4: I felt away because I'm an artist, right And I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: that line is so remedial and so dumb. It's so ratchet,
Speaker 4: you know, like that whenever people would introduce me, they'd
Speaker 4: be like, you.
Speaker 2: Know that long eat the booty like groceries.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he wrote that instead of like you know that song,
Speaker 4: this song or that song or that song. It's to
Speaker 4: eat the booty like groceries that I would get introduced
Speaker 4: that it.
Speaker 3: Me to ghetto bro, a nigga, you want to be
Speaker 3: known for something.
Speaker 4: But yeah, but then when people go, oh, so you
Speaker 4: be eating booty, then it becomes like it's.
Speaker 2: It's too much. No, people take it.
Speaker 4: Far and so I'm like, for a long time it
Speaker 4: bothered me, but I've learned to accept it. I've learned
Speaker 4: to embrace it because it did like impact culture, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And that's and that's not no, that too much into
Speaker 1: your business, but it won't stop. We got it fire,
Speaker 1: super crazy supposed to be those checks get.
Speaker 4: A little different. Oh man, you know, hmm, you have
Speaker 4: to think about that, nah, because it's not what you think.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 4: We still haven't settled on that record. What do you mean, bro,
Speaker 4: we still haven't signed off on that record. This?
Speaker 2: This is this.
Speaker 4: There can be a whole nother podcast on this song alone,
Speaker 4: just as far as the the fuckery around it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So the writers couldn't agree.
Speaker 4: Well because it's so many entities involved, and I'm gonna
Speaker 4: put it in short. What happened was we did the
Speaker 4: record with oh Me and Sam wrote the main the
Speaker 4: first verse and the hook. Me and Sam hook shot
Speaker 4: on my brother Sam Hood wrote the first verse in
Speaker 4: the hook. Omari needed a feature on it, and I'm
Speaker 4: keeping it real with y'all, I don't care. Amary needed
Speaker 4: a feature on it. So they were like, who should
Speaker 4: we get on the record. Chris was doing this thing
Speaker 4: at that time. I think he had these hose Ain'
Speaker 4: lawyer or something like that out yeah, and so it
Speaker 4: was popping. So he was like, man, I'm gonna take
Speaker 4: it to Chris. He takes it across the across town
Speaker 4: to Chris. Unbeknownst to us though, like we weren't there
Speaker 4: at the session. So they do whatever they do on
Speaker 4: the record. They write the second verse and they write
Speaker 4: that bridge Park all right, cool. Then Janey wants uh.
Speaker 4: Then he's like it's the uh. Atlantic is like it's
Speaker 4: still not enough. We need another artist on it. So
Speaker 4: they go, Janey, let's get Jane. Jane wants me to
Speaker 4: write something for her along the lines of eating booty
Speaker 4: because she said the poster reminded her of Kevin Gates
Speaker 4: when he used to say.
Speaker 2: I hate the booty like a poster. So that's what that's.
Speaker 4: So that's where that line came from. It and how
Speaker 4: me and Janey work is sometimes we go in the studio,
Speaker 4: but sometimes she would be like, she'll be like, can
Speaker 4: you can you write something for me because she just
Speaker 4: don't feel like it or you know, and I know her.
Speaker 4: So yeah, So I did that verse in my living
Speaker 4: room and I was just was like, it just was
Speaker 4: so simple as what rhymes would suposed to be. Mm
Speaker 4: hm oh groceries put that down and then I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: this ship actually goes. And they loved it. Everybody loved it.
Speaker 4: She recorded it, and that's how you have It's no
Speaker 4: longer tossed as saladies eating grocers. So I did what
Speaker 4: I was supposed to do. So we have all of
Speaker 4: these entities involved. On top of that, we have the
Speaker 4: producers Mustard and Mike Free, who are in an entanglement
Speaker 4: with their deal and kind of like, you know, trying
Speaker 4: to figure some things out. Then you got Shaka Demis,
Speaker 4: who isn't the song is an interpolation of Then we
Speaker 4: got that. So all these entities involved. Oh and not
Speaker 4: to mention, we tried to they tried to. Somebody tried
Speaker 4: to sue us. Someone it was They said it sounded
Speaker 4: like a song, but the song was a Chris Brown song. Okay,
Speaker 4: so he and that's it. He can't suit himself. He's
Speaker 4: on the record, So that's that got thrown out. So
Speaker 4: at this at this point, we're at I think we're
Speaker 4: at like one hundred and twenty five percent, and we
Speaker 4: gotta get down for those that don't know about publishing,
Speaker 4: we gotta get down to one hundred.
Speaker 2: So just you know how R and B money does business.
Speaker 1: The sample would take their piece and then everybody else
Speaker 1: would split it evenly. Of course, there are some who
Speaker 1: might have may have done more work than others. But
Speaker 1: once the sample comes in and starts chipping away, the
Speaker 1: first thing is people are gonna argue, well, I ain't
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the sample, yep, right, yep,
Speaker 1: But none of it is what it is with it
Speaker 1: without it. So whether whether you were part of introducing
Speaker 1: that nuance or not, it's a major part of the
Speaker 1: success of the song. When I heard that, I said,
Speaker 1: oh shit, no, they didn't immediately right, So it's so
Speaker 1: much there's so much success on the song that there's
Speaker 1: enough success to go around for everyone.
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 1: Let the interpolation of the sample have their piece and
Speaker 1: everybody split it even and we get that money that's
Speaker 1: just sitting there collecting interest for everyone else to use.
Speaker 2: Because that's the other part.
Speaker 1: People aren't paying attention to that interested.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's I learned about something called a black box,
Speaker 4: and your money goes into a black box, which in
Speaker 4: turn is bonuses at the end of the year. Ye,
Speaker 4: so you mean to tell me.
Speaker 2: Off of your money, your money. Yes, this business is
Speaker 2: wicked dog well that it is designed to be right,
Speaker 2: but it don't have to.
Speaker 1: But it don't have to be because the creatives have
Speaker 1: to do business. And that's the part that gets tricky
Speaker 1: with creatives. We because I am a creative, we get
Speaker 1: in our feelings instead of saying, you know what, we
Speaker 1: gotta handle our business though, And yes, this could be a.
Speaker 2: Tricky conversation, or you know what, even I'll be the
Speaker 2: nigga that will take less. You're reading my mind. So
Speaker 2: here's the thing.
Speaker 4: Here's this is the problem with going here, there, and
Speaker 4: everywhere to get your song done. We're not all in
Speaker 4: a room at the same time.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: So now lawyers and managers and you know, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: negotiating it exactly, exactly exactly, so everybody has an argument.
Speaker 4: They can make right. I could say without the line
Speaker 4: I wrote, this song wouldn't have been what it what
Speaker 4: it is because he can't perform this song without doing
Speaker 4: that first.
Speaker 1: It's it's it becomes, it becomes gnull and void, exactly
Speaker 1: when nobody's getting paid.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 4: You already know I'm a phone call away, bro, text, but.
Speaker 2: He needs your best, is what he's saying. You said,
Speaker 2: you said, you said, you said, you say.
Speaker 4: Every time I came in.
Speaker 2: You just delivered you show out. I just heard what
Speaker 2: you just said. Though. Well listen, brother, that's what happened.
Speaker 2: He was listening.
Speaker 4: Listen, brother, I want the best for you. I'll come
Speaker 4: in here and show out.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 4: Let's do it, bro, of course you will.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: You got from over there.
Speaker 2: Mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that intro. Very superman ish. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be this song we're gonna write. We're gonna write this
Speaker 1: song called Superman.
Speaker 2: You should have been had one of them? Should have
Speaker 2: been had one of those.
Speaker 4: The song is called should have been had a Superman.
Speaker 2: Huh, you've been playing with that my song you should
Speaker 2: have been?
Speaker 4: Super mind? Okay, I hear you a Superman.
Speaker 2: Maca made me say your name like I can't even
Speaker 2: People want to know your.
Speaker 3: Fun, that's what they want to know.
Speaker 2: Your top fight, Yeah, top fun, your top. Fry's saying.
Speaker 7: Already song.
Speaker 1: We got to know.
Speaker 4: We thought you know, we're on this shoe.
Speaker 1: We want to know.
Speaker 2: Yes, yow wow where.
Speaker 4: You I tried to tell you that first of all,
Speaker 4: you are going places? Brother, what you just did?
Speaker 2: Right here?
Speaker 4: I can see the whole thing on Venice Beach, right,
Speaker 4: I can see take take his Venus beach.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 4: Bro, you was in it with no sustain you was
Speaker 4: in it.
Speaker 2: Work this man this keyboard over there, man, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. Top five my top five R and B
Speaker 2: singers R and B.
Speaker 4: Okay, in no particular order. I'm gonna say, uh Brandy,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, yeah, I gotta go. These are gospel singers,
Speaker 4: but uh Mitchel Jones, uh Fred Hammon, the.
Speaker 2: Great talk to talk said he pulling up to the pack.
Speaker 2: That's what he said, talk to him yesterday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and these are these are surely people that impacted
Speaker 4: my life.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Me too?
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, all.
Speaker 1: Them selfish on the personally. Don't think we know about it.
Speaker 1: You don't think we know nobody nobody only affected him.
Speaker 2: I don't know where you're going. You don't know Jones.
Speaker 4: Uh, okay, number four, I will say Chris Martin, he's
Speaker 4: not he's not.
Speaker 2: R by your world, your world.
Speaker 4: Chris Martin is because he influences your arms. Yes, yes, yes, phenomenal,
Speaker 4: phenomenal voice. And uh, the last one I'm gonna have
Speaker 4: to do. Uh, I'm gonna have to say, uh, Charlie Wilson.
Speaker 4: And because the man is one hundred seventy stations old,
Speaker 4: still sound the exact same, Get it like, there's no
Speaker 4: there's no there's no fallout, there's no decline.
Speaker 1: Uncle Charlie. Uncle Charlie is incredible. Yes, he's incredible. Charlie
Speaker 1: would kick your ass. Yes, the call yourself being young
Speaker 1: and trying to perform after Charlie.
Speaker 2: Was you you better not? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, bro Arlie, I like that.
Speaker 2: Top five Army songs.
Speaker 4: This might be a little more difficult, all right, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say the beautiful ones.
Speaker 2: Prince you're starting off. Yeah, yeah, every time they heard you,
Speaker 2: every time, I'm gonna say, I can't help it.
Speaker 4: Michael Jack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go with Merry Go Round music.
Speaker 4: So child Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's a great, okay.
Speaker 4: Just to keep you satisfied. Marvin Gaye, Okay, no argument here,
Speaker 4: and then number five I would have to say, uh,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go sick free Frank Ocean than give him
Speaker 4: some Frank.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. These are songs that that just like really
Speaker 2: tough hit in a different way. I get it, I
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 3: Where where you going, jamp Where are you going?
Speaker 4: Yap?
Speaker 2: I ain't saying no nicks. Hey, ain't saying no names.
Speaker 2: Saying no.
Speaker 4: Names was what you did.
Speaker 7: Don't say shout in the Champagne.
Speaker 2: Champagne got you in there. It's only be money glasses.
Speaker 3: Get yourself.
Speaker 4: Some more of that Jesus ship. Nigga, my god, hey,
Speaker 4: no you you went to another level right there, bro.
Speaker 4: And it was effortlessly the church man, that's the no
Speaker 4: sustain might I have my foot ain't nothing, they don't
Speaker 4: nothing but clouds. Okay, So you know where we're at.
Speaker 2: Listen, you've watched this show, You've known us for a
Speaker 2: long time. You know what this ship is. Man. I
Speaker 2: ain't saying no names. Well, you tell us a story
Speaker 2: funny or fucked up?
Speaker 3: Are funny and fucked up?
Speaker 5: And since you are partnering something, you ain't told a sleep,
Speaker 5: poor nigga.
Speaker 2: I know about a lot of wild shit.
Speaker 4: Boy, Okay, yeah, I've had. I got a lot of
Speaker 4: those stories, a lot.
Speaker 3: I know you a lot.
Speaker 4: So round front, they call me R and B cuh
Speaker 4: r and B cuh because they call me R and
Speaker 4: B cut because I never turned down a fade and
Speaker 4: we know this too, we'll sing and never turned down
Speaker 4: to fade. So I called a fade with a guy
Speaker 4: who's they out of here he he uh. I would
Speaker 4: say he manages one of the biggest artists in the world,
Speaker 4: like partners with one of the biggest artists in the
Speaker 4: world now. But when we was kids were younger, me
Speaker 4: and Mike.
Speaker 2: Have never fought.
Speaker 4: Bro. Listen, everybody. You know they don't want no problems
Speaker 4: with all the time. Don't let that don't let that
Speaker 4: hair fool you. Sorry, don't let that hairline hair.
Speaker 2: I apologize you.
Speaker 4: This man is from but Phil absolutely a finish. So
Speaker 4: you call caught the fade. But I want to say
Speaker 4: it was over a woman, but it wasn't. And it's
Speaker 4: always like that, right she's it sparks and then after
Speaker 4: that it becomes testosterone and aggression and ego. So I
Speaker 4: was on tour, on screen tour. This was like five
Speaker 4: or six. I was doing my thing and I had
Speaker 4: a girlfriend back at home and apparently she was doing
Speaker 4: her thing. So when I got off to her and
Speaker 4: you know, we back together, when in my crib, I'm
Speaker 4: seeing her phone blow up. And this is back when
Speaker 4: we had what's the side cakes? So aim was on
Speaker 4: the sidekicks. So I see, you know, me just being
Speaker 4: I'm like, something ain't right. So let's just look over.
Speaker 4: I have been a glance over and I see her
Speaker 4: aiming with a nigga I know.
Speaker 2: And so right there while you're there, she's she's going
Speaker 2: back and forth with him.
Speaker 4: Well, she had got up to go to the bathroom
Speaker 4: or something. And then I did something that I ain't
Speaker 4: never did before that, but I was like, really, I
Speaker 4: felt it in my spirit. I was like, man, something
Speaker 4: going wrong because I was doing wrong.
Speaker 2: So that's what Michael Jackie said, You're doing wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I get into her phone and I see it's
Speaker 4: this nigga, you know, texting her back and forth inappropriate shit.
Speaker 4: So I'm like a young twenty one twenty two somewhere
Speaker 4: around there. So I'm like, I'll stick my chest out.
Speaker 4: I hit him back, like, hey, honey, it starts there. Yes,
Speaker 4: hey honey, don't hit this phone no more.
Speaker 2: And you know who this is? Okay, all right?
Speaker 4: So that nigga responds back immediately like who the fuck
Speaker 4: you talking to? I know you you r and B
Speaker 4: nigga stop.
Speaker 2: Playing with me.
Speaker 4: And I'm like what yeah, yeah yeah, And I'm like,
Speaker 4: so I'm going back and forth. Whenn will we on
Speaker 4: on her phone? Mind you, she's she sees me on
Speaker 4: her phone. So me and her had a very volatile
Speaker 4: relationship that we were young. So she starts to try
Speaker 4: to get physical with me. I throw her phone out
Speaker 4: the house. She somehow gets my phone, grabs her phone,
Speaker 4: gets in the car, and I'm like, give me my
Speaker 4: fucking phone. I get on the hood of her car,
Speaker 4: the hood. I get on the hood of her car,
Speaker 4: all right, and you know the line between the windshield
Speaker 4: and the actual hood I'm holding on.
Speaker 2: She drives off like that meme of that it's like
Speaker 2: a it's like a girl that has that meme right
Speaker 2: hanging on the car.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So it's Michael, because she got she got my phone,
Speaker 4: and I don't want her to see all the debauchery
Speaker 4: going on in your You just want to Yes, I
Speaker 4: had the upper hand.
Speaker 2: You out of pocket, but go ahead, pimp.
Speaker 4: So I'm holding on. She driving like, no, no joke,
Speaker 4: like thirty miles per hour with me on the hood.
Speaker 4: Some ship that could hurt you, No, some ship that
Speaker 4: could really hurt me. So I don't even know how.
Speaker 4: I don't remember how I got out of that, but
Speaker 4: I'm still mad at this nigga. So I switched to
Speaker 4: my phone because I have his number.
Speaker 3: So I go to continue this.
Speaker 4: I go to I go to this bar where.
Speaker 2: All the hom was linking up.
Speaker 4: It was a popular bar where they would have our
Speaker 4: R and B live performances.
Speaker 3: Is your R and B nigga?
Speaker 2: Yes, had to go to the R and B B
Speaker 2: R right.
Speaker 4: So I'm there, I'm there, I'm drinking, and something just
Speaker 4: tells me, a nigga, if you're a real nigga, you'll
Speaker 4: pull up to the tiple bar right now. He was like, bet,
Speaker 4: I didn't think he was going to pull up. The
Speaker 4: nigga pulled up with all blood, but I knew I
Speaker 4: knew half of them, you know what I mean? So
Speaker 4: it was all good. I wasn't finna get packed out.
Speaker 3: Nas know each other. You know each other somehow.
Speaker 4: So he actually pulled up and I'm in a bar
Speaker 4: and this is I've been drinking. The only one that's
Speaker 4: in there with me is my cousin David Tavaris was there.
Speaker 2: You know you can't say no names, righty folks.
Speaker 4: He text me like, I'm outside, what's happening? So I
Speaker 4: put my drink down and I tell the homies, all right,
Speaker 4: this time.
Speaker 3: It started a gang war. It's pretty much where we
Speaker 3: get to.
Speaker 4: Well, go ahead, So I'll get outside and it's it's
Speaker 4: the weirdest ship man, because I like, I know all
Speaker 4: this homies. I'm dapping up homies and were walking. This
Speaker 4: is like a very uh structured fade. This is an
Speaker 4: organized This is an organized.
Speaker 2: Anything I'll say about l a y'all organized for real?
Speaker 3: Big little tiny, Yes, baby baby tiny.
Speaker 4: It's rampant. Yes, it's a hierarchy.
Speaker 3: Niggas is military.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So so we go to the alley and we we
Speaker 4: just we start going at it and the first half
Speaker 4: of the fight I'm really.
Speaker 2: Giving it to And then.
Speaker 4: The alcohol kicked in and he called me with a
Speaker 4: two piece. He called me with a two piece, and
Speaker 4: I hadn't been working out like so I was like yeah,
Speaker 4: so so we get so it's like, you know how
Speaker 4: niggas tussling. You get on the ground and the niggas
Speaker 4: is just rolling on the ground and then they're like
Speaker 4: stop that stop, all stop, all up wrestling blood, stop
Speaker 4: at up wrestling blood. So they break niggas up and
Speaker 4: make niggas stand up again and fade, and at that
Speaker 4: point it just was niggas throwing haymakers. It was a
Speaker 4: very sloppy fight. It was not a good fight. It
Speaker 4: was not a good fight. Uh the artist that's huge now,
Speaker 4: I think he was. I think he was the one
Speaker 4: that was like he was filming the whole fight on
Speaker 4: the camp court. So after after the after the fade,
Speaker 4: it's like handshakes. I shook the dude hand, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, shook the old Jean's hands and it
Speaker 4: was all good. Like two days later, I see me
Speaker 4: on my Space. Oh shit, I'm on my Space and
Speaker 4: this nigga has done an incredible job of editing this video.
Speaker 2: And you don't have the video to make your edit.
Speaker 3: No, you're getting chopped.
Speaker 4: But but I didn't get beat up. It just looked
Speaker 4: like he it looked like he won. He won, right,
Speaker 4: you know, And I'm talking about this nigga made edits
Speaker 4: where he reversed it slow motion, broke captions. I'm like,
Speaker 4: this was like, oh seven, it wasn't no cap cut. Wow,
Speaker 4: he went crazy and it was on They put it
Speaker 4: on they page, the artist page all that. So I
Speaker 4: got everybody hitting me, niggas like cap, why you didn't
Speaker 4: call me for this shit. I'm like, it was, it
Speaker 4: just happened.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't call nobody like that. I was with some
Speaker 4: niggas and it was like, well, at least you got
Speaker 4: down because you know, at that time, I hung around cribs.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But and they was all bloods and so they was
Speaker 4: extra man because it was all blood niggas. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: that happened, and I was like everybody in the city
Speaker 4: saw it, and I had to answer questions people hitting me, like.
Speaker 2: Why was y'all fighting?
Speaker 4: Why is y'all you know? The coldest part was I
Speaker 4: had a Jesus piece on when I was fighting.
Speaker 2: The Old Testament.
Speaker 4: My girlfriend was at the same bar that we were
Speaker 4: fighting at the girl fight over the girl.
Speaker 2: Yeall.
Speaker 4: So look so there's an alley right, and there's two
Speaker 4: buildings here, and I'm walking from the fade. I got
Speaker 4: my necklace on, and she's she's she's walking with her friend,
Speaker 4: and she sees and she tries to tiptoe back like
Speaker 4: nobody could see her. I'm like, I already saw you.
Speaker 4: So she ends up taking me home. My Jesus piece,
Speaker 4: the Jesus was crying a bloody tear, and I got
Speaker 4: on my knees and said, Lord, forgive me.
Speaker 2: Did some blood from you?
Speaker 4: Some blood from me? But it literally it happened to
Speaker 4: get right. It looked like a perfect tear coming down
Speaker 4: from Jesus. That shook me to the core. I'm out
Speaker 4: here doing too much.
Speaker 3: I don't approve.
Speaker 4: I don't approve God watching all throughout my life, things
Speaker 4: like that have happened. But yeah, that's my that's my
Speaker 4: I ain't saying no names. But what's crazy is after that,
Speaker 4: we became cool. I got that artist on some of
Speaker 4: my songs, like we built a relationship, like it was
Speaker 4: all good. And that's the beauty in this whole thing,
Speaker 4: is like when you do you know, when niggas was
Speaker 4: good hearted. They may have differences and turbulence and all
Speaker 4: of that. But at the end of the day, you
Speaker 4: know what kind of nigga I am, and I know
Speaker 4: what kind of nigga you are, And if it wasn't
Speaker 4: for this bullshit, we probably be cool. So nigga, let's
Speaker 4: put that shit aside and peace up. And that's what
Speaker 4: niggas did. It was honorable.
Speaker 1: I love that story. Yeah, I love that story. The fade, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that. Then my Space editor is hilarious.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about in the Remember they put it on
Speaker 4: the header and then niggas is reposting it in the
Speaker 4: in the comments section. You know, the comment used to
Speaker 4: run down the side. Ah knocked that niggah blah, niggas
Speaker 4: is talking. My brother is online at war with niggas.
Speaker 4: Why do that like that? I'm looking at like, man,
Speaker 4: I don't want my get back. Nah, I can't do
Speaker 4: that already, sugar hands with more.
Speaker 1: Nigga should catch the fit or niggas should catch the fat.
Speaker 1: They never will, yeah, because niggas don't keep it to
Speaker 1: just hand. No, I mean, unfortunately, I'm just from a
Speaker 1: different time. Yeah, I respect that no matter. You see,
Speaker 1: we didn't ask who won who lost.
Speaker 2: We didn't.
Speaker 4: It don't matter. You got out there, you got down
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 2: That's exciting. Roll around a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only unexciting part is that it's over a woman.
Speaker 1: It's always over No, I've never thought over a woman
Speaker 1: in my entire.
Speaker 2: I haven't either, But I'm just trying to. There's a place,
Speaker 2: there's a place, many many wars.
Speaker 4: I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you, but you are. I mean, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: just tell you I was.
Speaker 4: I was lost man while I was a wild.
Speaker 2: Boy, almost almost killed a nigga over a woman.
Speaker 1: But then I had to remember. I had to remember
Speaker 1: that she's in violation too. If she don't, if she
Speaker 1: don't make way for him, it don't happen.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: See, the reason why I don't say it's over woman
Speaker 4: is because it was more so over ego, because I
Speaker 4: call myself checking him.
Speaker 2: Well, you were he told me what he was supposed
Speaker 2: to do. You know it's sober woman. Yeah, yeah, just
Speaker 2: accept we fall down, it is, but what but we
Speaker 2: get up? Yeah, it's just he fell down. What the Jesus,
Speaker 2: Peace of Jesus, peace, Jesus protected you after that piece
Speaker 2: should have been what I tell you what to Max,
Speaker 2: you up. Jesus. You look Jesus.
Speaker 1: You can't stop a nigga that I got a Jesus
Speaker 1: peace Jesus, that's what That's the one that saved us.
Speaker 1: He's come on, Michael, it was sad.
Speaker 4: Ball. Y'all know me, Bro, that's just a fraction. I
Speaker 4: got so many stories, Bro, I've lived.
Speaker 2: Listen. I respected I respect you from from the first
Speaker 2: day I met you. Bro.
Speaker 1: You when I say you solid and and if you
Speaker 1: need to get to it, you're gonna get to it
Speaker 1: all of that, bro, Like you're gonna figure it out,
Speaker 1: whether it be talent, whether it be anything like I
Speaker 1: just I just got real love.
Speaker 2: For you, bro, hey man. Absolutely, and that means a
Speaker 2: lot to me. Never changed.
Speaker 4: That means a lot.
Speaker 2: Ever you got you got, you got two brothers left,
Speaker 2: hey dog, you got two brothers left. We're with you, bro.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it, Bro, no more.
Speaker 2: No, he's catching phase a different way now though.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 3: So now he's mu tai. I get it, he's MUTI cut,
Speaker 3: I get.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 4: But just because you know it, yeah, don't mean you.
Speaker 4: I don't even I don't carry that energy with me.
Speaker 4: It's the craziest thing because I actually learned in there
Speaker 4: how to relax more.
Speaker 1: You gotta understand this about this is the thing about
Speaker 1: the thing about fighting, right, is that the people who
Speaker 1: are truly not prepared are the people that are always
Speaker 1: radify mm hmm. And you almost feel sorry when you're like,
Speaker 1: you have no idea what you're about to get yourself
Speaker 1: into at all. You've already used up too much energy
Speaker 1: doing that. Yes, yes, uh already used it up. It's
Speaker 1: gonna take me three to four seconds to really change.
Speaker 4: Your life, revitalize your image.
Speaker 2: That's all we mean. So I respect you for for
Speaker 2: for learning the discipline that it takes to go along
Speaker 2: with that. You know what I mean. And if you
Speaker 2: you're gonna you'renn get in the ring, get organized, you
Speaker 2: I did. He called his first one. I won. I'm
Speaker 2: not listen.
Speaker 1: People keep telling me you're about to about to be
Speaker 1: a fight, about to be decision split split. Yeah, how'd
Speaker 1: you feel like you did? I felt like I did
Speaker 1: good for bro. I was tired when I got in there.
Speaker 1: It's different when you fighting in front of people. And
Speaker 1: because what you gotta say, you gotta relax exactly. And
Speaker 1: the thing was, I was the third to last fight.
Speaker 1: So I'm back there, you know, doing too much warm,
Speaker 1: you know, and.
Speaker 4: Just looking in anticipation and the adrenaline and you got
Speaker 4: the anxiety and the nerves and all of that. I
Speaker 4: didn't know about that. So I'm warm enough to do
Speaker 4: like they do this thing where you do twenty kicks
Speaker 4: to warm up. By ten, I was like, oh this
Speaker 4: is real.
Speaker 2: I'm gassed.
Speaker 4: So what I did was my bro prophet Lovey who.
Speaker 2: Love you bruh.
Speaker 4: He came back and kind of like helped me to
Speaker 4: relax because he did some shadow work with me and
Speaker 4: just helped me to just get center myself. And then
Speaker 4: I meditated. So then when I went up there, I'm like,
Speaker 4: people were like, you almost seem two calm. When I
Speaker 4: got in that round, I was super calm, but I
Speaker 4: also knew that I needed to conserve my energy, so
Speaker 4: I just kept it basic jabs and leg cakes and
Speaker 4: if you wanted to mix it up a little bit,
Speaker 4: we did. But at this point in my life, I'm
Speaker 4: not finna be doing all the extras. Bro It came
Speaker 4: out with the dub Man. I'm proud of myself for
Speaker 4: doing that, proud of myself for always challenging and stretching
Speaker 4: my boundaries. And you know I'm gonna continue to do that.
Speaker 2: You know, it just is what it is.
Speaker 4: It is my lifestyle doing the music.
Speaker 2: I still need some more records from now.
Speaker 4: Music will never leave me. It'll never leave me. But
Speaker 4: for real, keep me in mind with the directorial ship.
Speaker 2: I got the vision.
Speaker 1: Bro, we will see all right, I'm gonna hold you
Speaker 1: to thatts I know never did.
Speaker 2: We will see you will get your shot. Let's go,
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank. Listen the Army
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Speaker 7: Yeah, some.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man. We just have a friend. We
Speaker 1: got a brother, We got a loved one out here, ma'am.
Speaker 1: And I think out of all things, that's what manage
Speaker 1: must friend. We love you, pleasing man, We love you all.
Speaker 1: Brandichael Power, Thank you man.
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