WEBVTT - How Exorcism Works

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from house Stuff Works

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Chuck, and this is stuff you should know. We're

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<v Speaker 1>about to tell you some stuff you should know, aren't

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<v Speaker 1>we Chucked? We are? You never intro our title like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that it's new. I tried it before. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that you like it, which is inst I loved

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<v Speaker 1>it to the late and browse you. Yeah, moving on, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever heard of a guy named Phillip Kate? Dad? Yes, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>he's an author. Correct, Yes, he wrote Blade Runner? Correct well,

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<v Speaker 1>I do Android's Dream of Electric Cheap right, which was

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<v Speaker 1>made into Blade Runner, exactly. And he wrote a Minority

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<v Speaker 1>Report and um, a Scanner Darkly some other ones I

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<v Speaker 1>have heard of good stuff. Um. And if you can't

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<v Speaker 1>tell yet, he was a science fiction writer. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>one of the more notable things of Dick's life with

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<v Speaker 1>the more, one of the more notable aspects of Dick's

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<v Speaker 1>life was that, um, at one point he became possessed

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<v Speaker 1>by a being, another intelligence. He called it like a

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<v Speaker 1>super alien or something like that. And uh, it basically

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<v Speaker 1>took him over and got his life in order. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a total pill head, loved drink wine, really just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of chased friends off. He just wasn't a really

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<v Speaker 1>pleasant soul to be around. And this alien kind of

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<v Speaker 1>comes in and takes him over, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like getting you know, back pay from publishers. He's

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<v Speaker 1>like writing more. He his office is cleaner. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he started wearing ties and just all around. Basically, this

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<v Speaker 1>thing got his life in order. And he wasn't scientology

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<v Speaker 1>or anything no interesting. As a matter of fact, I

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<v Speaker 1>think he may have been a critic of scientology. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure. Um, but he uh, he was possessed. He

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<v Speaker 1>he believed it till the day he died, that something

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<v Speaker 1>had taken him over and at the very least was

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<v Speaker 1>helping him. I've never heard that. Yes, so um, that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of I think is a really good segue into exorcism. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is an exorcism that actually benefited somebody. Well, he

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<v Speaker 1>was an exercise and I don't think he needed to

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<v Speaker 1>sure sure now, um, you know, I think for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, when people feel like we're inhabited by something,

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<v Speaker 1>we feel like it needs to be exercise, right right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the demons running through yet exactly. So, Um, we kind

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<v Speaker 1>of in in the Western world in the twenty one century,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't really believe in spirit intrusion much anymore. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>some of us do, some do, true, but for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, the average American walking around probably doesn't believe

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<v Speaker 1>that they're going to ever be, you know, taken over

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<v Speaker 1>by a demon or something like that, or even an

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<v Speaker 1>angel probably, um, but this isn't the case for much

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<v Speaker 1>of the rest of the world. It's very commonly held

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<v Speaker 1>spirit intrusion can occur. I remember when we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about carrying a bride over the threshold. Spirit intrusion. It

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<v Speaker 1>can be a bad thing. It can cause disease, illness,

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<v Speaker 1>and um. It kind of makes you wonder. There's this

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<v Speaker 1>dividing line that crops up. Is this really just a

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<v Speaker 1>misunderstanding of a psychological problem or is psychology missing the

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<v Speaker 1>point when there actually is something going on right at ending?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, a lot of uh, demonic possessions are really

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<v Speaker 1>people that are psychologically distressed or sometimes even physically and

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<v Speaker 1>epilepsy and things like that a lot of times are

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<v Speaker 1>mistaken from parts of the world. Well, with epilepsy in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>you can you can tell you can throw somebody in

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<v Speaker 1>an m R I machine and I look at the

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<v Speaker 1>parts of their brain and see, you know, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this person is definitely epileptic. Of course, the convulsions often

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<v Speaker 1>give them away as well. But with you know, UM schizophrenia, say,

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<v Speaker 1>for many many eons, that was viewed as a spirit

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<v Speaker 1>intrusion or spirit possession, right, which makes sense. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these people with associative personality disorder are UM

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<v Speaker 1>different people at different times, so you can understand how

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<v Speaker 1>that would be mistaken as a UM possession in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>I could, sure, But still today I kind of wonder

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<v Speaker 1>is it just a clash of worldviews? You know? Maybe?

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<v Speaker 1>So is is a psychological disorder just another term for

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<v Speaker 1>spirit possession when they're really both talking about the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing and doesn't matter? So interesting angle, Thanks buddy. So

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<v Speaker 1>the point is this, UM psychology has its own methods

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<v Speaker 1>of exorcism and in deepressants UM psychotherapy. Yes, uh e

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<v Speaker 1>c T. Electro convulsive therapy, which is still used to

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<v Speaker 1>this day. Did you know that? I didn't. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we have the method refined a little more than we

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<v Speaker 1>used to write, but yeah, it's still they still hook

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<v Speaker 1>people up at the electrodes and choose them. Actually I

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<v Speaker 1>did know that because it happened on six ft under

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<v Speaker 1>and don't tell me, don't tell me. I'm in season three,

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<v Speaker 1>don't tell me. It definitely does not happen on six

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<v Speaker 1>ft Thank you, thank you for that. Sorry about that,

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<v Speaker 1>no problem. But um, so we've got this method of

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with disturbance, um through psychology. We also have it

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<v Speaker 1>through spirituality, and specifically the Catholic Church is really really

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<v Speaker 1>big on exorcism. There the only church that I know

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<v Speaker 1>of it really still practices it. And yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 1>raised Catholic, and and as you get older, every you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're raised in the Catholic Church, everything seems totally normal.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy is wearing a robe and chanting and burning frankincense,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody else you know is responding with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some weird you know, mystical words. Right. The thing is

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<v Speaker 1>is like, as you get older, it becomes stranger and

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<v Speaker 1>stranger because, as any Catholic knows, the older you get,

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<v Speaker 1>the further you get away from the church. Right, Um

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<v Speaker 1>so you get a little more objective, you get an

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<v Speaker 1>objective view of it. I think that's not necessarily true

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<v Speaker 1>for all people, but certainly. Uh so. You know, when

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<v Speaker 1>you look at the Catholic Church objectively or Catholicism, it's

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<v Speaker 1>deeply rooted in mysticism. And it doesn't strike me as

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<v Speaker 1>odd at all that the Catholic Church is still very

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<v Speaker 1>much believes in exorcism, in demonic possession. Yeah, I believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>Which we should probably give an actual definition of demonic

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<v Speaker 1>possession as the Catholic Church sees it. Uh, while possession

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<v Speaker 1>or exorcism possession. Uh well, I know some of the

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<v Speaker 1>telltale signs. Yeah, let's hear about um. Speaking in tongues

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times is considered no, no, pardon no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not considered part of a demonic Speaking in tongues

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<v Speaker 1>is considered a an expression of religious ecstasy. Speaking in

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<v Speaker 1>foreign languages that one's never encountered, or dead languages. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that's an example. I actually said. I actually said speaking

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<v Speaker 1>in foreign tongues. I just said it very quietly. The

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<v Speaker 1>foreign was the foreign? Was it? Silent um? That is true? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing things that a person has no way of knowing. Yeah, Like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with the pope's wearing at any given time,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet he's wearing a robe and a tall hat.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I underneath the robe, if you can call that.

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine they're gonna be like, yeah, I know, too

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<v Speaker 1>much physical strength beyond what you normally would have, which

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<v Speaker 1>we've addressed as well, right, and a violent aversion to God,

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<v Speaker 1>the Virgin Mary or across or other you know religious images. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's you know, pretty much it. If you can

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<v Speaker 1>fit all these, then you know there's a chance that

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<v Speaker 1>you are possessed by the devil as far as the

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<v Speaker 1>church is concerned. I didn't see in here headspinning around

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<v Speaker 1>or vomiting p soup or the spider crawl. No, And

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<v Speaker 1>of course Chuck's referring to the classic horror film The

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<v Speaker 1>exor System, which I watched actually this past Halloween. Not

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<v Speaker 1>as scary as I remember, but psychologically thrilling. Yeah. Great.

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<v Speaker 1>And um after researching this, I found that if you

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<v Speaker 1>take Linda Blair out of the scenes, yes, uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>you just have the exorcism the rights of exorcism that

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<v Speaker 1>are performed by um Max von Sideau and the other guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Um it is it's very accurate. Uh, it's It's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much the opposite of the website Garfield minus Garfield, where

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<v Speaker 1>if you take Garfield out. It turns out that John

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<v Speaker 1>is either schizophrenic or addicted to methamphetamine, or possessed by

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<v Speaker 1>the devil. Possibly full circle. Yeah, so it's UM's it's

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<v Speaker 1>the it's the opposite of that. It really a Catholic

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<v Speaker 1>exorcism or right of exorcism is a series of special prayers,

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<v Speaker 1>and actually it's a combination of fairly familiar prayers. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of call and response. Um. There's dousing the

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<v Speaker 1>possessed individual with holy water, using crucifixes and relics, which

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<v Speaker 1>can be anything anything associated with the saint, including a

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<v Speaker 1>body part. There's actually the saints, if you were a

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<v Speaker 1>saint several hundred years ago, you were destined to be

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<v Speaker 1>chopped up into as many little pieces as possible, instaid

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<v Speaker 1>to churches around the world. Yeah, relic are huge. Interesting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well there, you didn't know that either. Well, before this

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<v Speaker 1>all happens, there's an investigation. I mean, this is when

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<v Speaker 1>there's a real threat of a possession, you can actually

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<v Speaker 1>lodge an uh A query to the Catholic Church and

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<v Speaker 1>they'll send someone out. A lot of times that priests

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<v Speaker 1>will come with um a psychological evaluator just to rule

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<v Speaker 1>out other things. Sometimes I'll go to a medical doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>but they actually do a full fledged investigation, and they said,

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<v Speaker 1>I think one in five thousand turns out to be

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<v Speaker 1>what they consider to be a real demonic possession or

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<v Speaker 1>at the very least worth worth using an exorcism, for

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<v Speaker 1>worth giving a shot. Yeah, I didn't want you to

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<v Speaker 1>to get the impression that I think that the church's

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<v Speaker 1>approach to exorcism it's hokey in anyway. I think they

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<v Speaker 1>take a very methodical approach they do, and they rule

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<v Speaker 1>out everything else that it could possibly be. Um. I

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<v Speaker 1>think if you decide to perpetrate a fraud, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're you're possessed by the devil, you're in for

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<v Speaker 1>a really long, painful evaluation process where you really have

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<v Speaker 1>to be committed to the bit to follow it through

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<v Speaker 1>and finally get to the exorcism. And if you're basing

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<v Speaker 1>it on movies, you'll probably be really disappointed. Um. There's

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<v Speaker 1>this book that this guy wrote. I cannot remember his

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<v Speaker 1>name or the name of the book, but um, he

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<v Speaker 1>was a sociologist who who you know, basically went to

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<v Speaker 1>exorcisms performed around the country for several years during his

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<v Speaker 1>research period, and he describes one where a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Warren who is basically depressed, drinks a lot. Really his

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<v Speaker 1>life is pretty out of sorts um, and he's come

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<v Speaker 1>to believe that he's he's possessed by a diabolical presence

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<v Speaker 1>I think is the the church vernacular for it um.

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<v Speaker 1>And basically the priest just praised for him um. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's the Holy water and the crucifix and

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<v Speaker 1>all that, and Warren just kind of sits there looking

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<v Speaker 1>a little gloomy the whole time. And then that's about that.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently in the book, Warren reported feeling like something

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<v Speaker 1>had left him, which is good. It's a good things.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, he felt fine, but it was a fairly

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<v Speaker 1>anticlimactic spinning or anything. I had that book title. If

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<v Speaker 1>people want to read, it's called American Exorcism Expelling Demons

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<v Speaker 1>in the Land of Plenty by Michael uh c u

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<v Speaker 1>n Eo quin Kuno. Let's go with Cuno catch Cary

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<v Speaker 1>cascari um. So yeah, they're they're kind of anticlimactic, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But if if at the end people like Warren feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that their their life has changed, that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's if it's just using their faith to maybe

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<v Speaker 1>manipulate them, even even if there's no intentional manipulation. But

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<v Speaker 1>if that's really what's going on in the most objective view,

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<v Speaker 1>how could how could it hurt? You know? Why why

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<v Speaker 1>don't we just run around performing exorcisms all the time?

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<v Speaker 1>I have an answer for you, playing on me sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>because there aren't enough priests relate to go around that

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<v Speaker 1>are they're capable of doing this. The Catholic Church actually

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<v Speaker 1>UM appointed ten priest and I think that was already

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<v Speaker 1>previously one the only guy doing exorcism, So there's now

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<v Speaker 1>eleven UM at that time at least, and they have

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<v Speaker 1>a group called the International Association of Exorcists. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>meet every year formaly newsletter. Do you know what I

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<v Speaker 1>would do to get my hands on that newsletter? Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>they shared tricks of the trade, tips for one another franccisms. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to get my hands on that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to sit on one of those meetings. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lot of a lot of fun, it is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the the that's one reason why, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we just don't have or the Catholic Church just doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the manpower to go around performing exorcism, right, um.

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<v Speaker 1>But also there's there's a couple other problems with exorcism

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<v Speaker 1>as far as you know controversy generated by them. One

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<v Speaker 1>is what we've talked about, the the psychology versus religion clash,

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<v Speaker 1>which has been going on pretty much since medicine came about,

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<v Speaker 1>um and basically labeled everybody else's witches or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at the very least um simple or what have you,

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<v Speaker 1>archaic primitive. And that's one problem. If if we just

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<v Speaker 1>ran around performing exorcisms, uh, and there were people who

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<v Speaker 1>had very treatable psychological disorders, you know, would the exorcism

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<v Speaker 1>for work or would would pharmaceuticals be better some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, immersive therapy be better for him? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So we could actually do damage, which is why the

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<v Speaker 1>church i imagine has a psychle logical evaluations done. And

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<v Speaker 1>these are done by professionals from my understanding as well,

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like the priest is like, hey, are you crazy? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>they get a psychiatrist or psychologist outside of the Catholic Church.

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<v Speaker 1>The the other problem is the there there are groups

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<v Speaker 1>that that do exorcisms for profit. Yeah, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>where it gets a little Uh, I don't know, greedy,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly fake. Maybe there's one. There's one group, um that

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<v Speaker 1>is well known for their exorcisms. There's a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Larson, Bob Larson Ministries. He actually has a show

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<v Speaker 1>called The Real Exorcist on the Sci Fi Channel. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that should be your first clue right there, exactly he Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He runs the Spiritual Freedom Church as far as I know, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and he does exorcisms. I don't know that he actually

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<v Speaker 1>charges for exorcisms, but I think he's he's really good

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<v Speaker 1>at um drumming up donations. Well yeah, and he and

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<v Speaker 1>he does this in front of a crowd and charges

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<v Speaker 1>for tickets. Does he really? Yeah, because apparently you can

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<v Speaker 1>get a family rate on your tickets to go see

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<v Speaker 1>these exorcisms. Okay, gives you a break if you bring

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<v Speaker 1>the kids along. Well, I was. I was reading on

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<v Speaker 1>the Spiritual Freedom Church website a testimonial from a girl

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<v Speaker 1>from named Autumn, from my dear esteemed hometown of Toledo, Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hear it. Apparently the spirit spirit for Spiritual Freedom

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<v Speaker 1>Church rolled through town and held a mass you know,

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<v Speaker 1>exorcism or whatever spectacle, and Um, Autumn, it turned out,

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<v Speaker 1>had been possessed by a several centuries old African woman,

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<v Speaker 1>uh named Mushita. Now Mushita apparently means horror and whatever

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<v Speaker 1>ancient African vernacular this that her name comes from. And um,

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<v Speaker 1>she basically was pretty much into committing acts of hordem

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<v Speaker 1>in you know, uh, reverence for an African deity. So

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<v Speaker 1>she became promiscuous. Yes, it was really Mushida, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was Autumn who was running around committing acts

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<v Speaker 1>of hord um. This is not my word, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually didn't realize hordam was a word until this

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<v Speaker 1>is very afternoon. Is that her right there? That's her.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a kind of cute. Yeah. So, um, Autumn goes

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<v Speaker 1>to see Bob Larson, who exercises the the demons, and

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<v Speaker 1>apparently you could see a an immediate change in Autumn

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<v Speaker 1>and she was very grateful. So again we we come

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<v Speaker 1>to this this fine line. As far as I'm concerned,

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<v Speaker 1>if Autumn is no longer running around being promiscuous, as

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<v Speaker 1>you said, she no longer feels like she's out of

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<v Speaker 1>control with her life, does it matter whether it was

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<v Speaker 1>an exorcism or antidepressants, whether she paid for this or not.

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<v Speaker 1>I come to Jesus moment and a seeing of the light.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it matter? Now, there's all kinds of ways of

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<v Speaker 1>reaching that moment of clarity. I agree, if you ask me,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. So uh, as far as I'm concerned to

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<v Speaker 1>each his own sure, that's our motto here. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to pay, Yeah, it pretty much keeps us out of

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<v Speaker 1>hot water. So if you want to pay for your exorcism,

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<v Speaker 1>there's plenty of places you can do it. Just go

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<v Speaker 1>on to a Google search, and I believe you type

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<v Speaker 1>in exorcists and you will find what you're looking for

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<v Speaker 1>and good luck. So stick around because we have a

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<v Speaker 1>new bit here. We like to fill up time as

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<v Speaker 1>much as possible. We're gonna call it correction time. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good title. It's coming up right now. Um So, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a correction from one of our listeners. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>This was in from a couple of our podcasts. We

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned this famous study in Massachusetts. Let's go to a

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<v Speaker 1>clip of Chuck being wrong. So what they've learned is

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<v Speaker 1>that there was this big study. I now that you

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<v Speaker 1>love to study, the Farmington heart study. I love this study.

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<v Speaker 1>It's enormous, it's sweeping. This is what a study should

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<v Speaker 1>be like right, So that's that's me and that's my voice.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is not Armington's. No, it is actually Framingham

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<v Speaker 1>not even there's no ton involved, there's no farm. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a frame. And this is pointed out by one

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<v Speaker 1>of our listeners, Glenna Carpenter Rhodius in thank you Glenna

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<v Speaker 1>for pointing that out. Yes, Glen warn yourself a new

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<v Speaker 1>Ford focus actually pointing it out. Yeah. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to point out something that we've done wrong or

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