1 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: For this episode, we have a special guest, an old friend, 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: Jeff soup On butt. Before we say hello, Jeff, we 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: always take care of some business. So if you're watching 5 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: this and you enjoy Cardinal Territory, why not get some merch. 6 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: You see, Cardinal Territory has some outstanding gear that is 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: on the shop right. We got the hoodies, we got 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: the T shirts, the hats. Lance Lynn wears one of 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: the hats around and he's a very important man. So 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 1: go ahead, show your support and buy some merch from 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory Cardinal Territory shop dot com. My man, Jeff 12 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: soup On seventeen year MLB veteran, two stints with the Cardinals, 13 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: two thousand and six World Series champ NLCS MVP, five 14 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: straight seasons with at least two hundred innings pitch. You 15 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: don't see that anymore, six seasons for his career, and 16 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: by giving the resume, I feel it's now an appropriate 17 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: time to say, Hi. 18 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: Jeff. 19 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: Kat, how are you? Great to see you. That's a 20 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 3: great intro. 21 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: Do you deserve it? You did a lot of great 22 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: things in Major League baseball. But right now you're en root, 23 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:39,279 Speaker 1: So let's talk about Jeff soupon the Civilian. Your daughter, 24 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: Findley is an outstanding pitcher in softball. I think you're 25 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: going to one of her tournaments. So tell me what 26 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: you're up to now, because Cardinal fans want to know 27 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: what's up with Soup. 28 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what's Uh. 29 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 4: Yesterday we had a game at West Hill's Pony Baseball. 30 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 4: We were down so nothing in the sixth inning and 31 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 4: in the seventh I'm sorry, down seven to nothing and 32 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 4: seven we came back and won that game down seven nothing. 33 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: It was awesome. 34 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 4: So now we're getting ready to travel up to San 35 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 4: Louis Obispo area and I'm gonna watch my daughter play. 36 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: So it's what am I up to? 37 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 4: I mean, basically, my kids lives fill my time and 38 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 4: it's awesome and uh, and then my wife Dana. 39 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 3: Tells me what to do the rest of the time. 40 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 4: So I'm just trying to you know, just trying to 41 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 4: stay in the top five percent of husbands out there. 42 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: I think you're doing it, say to day in formant, 43 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: I just won. 44 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: Well, some guys, former athletes, former professional athletes that have kids, 45 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: they passed down solid. 46 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: Jean Pool, So kudos to you on that. 47 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: But how do you handle being at your kids games 48 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: when you have this wealth of information and have done 49 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: it at the highest level? 50 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 2: Are you a yeller? 51 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: Do you hid? 52 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: Like Matt Holliday would go to his kids games when 53 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: his kids were in high school or younger youth baseball 54 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: and put a hoodie on and pull the string so 55 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: everything so you didn't know was him. How do you 56 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: handle being Jeff soup pump at your kids' games? 57 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, basically, I just am myself, right, So 58 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 4: I'm very friendly. 59 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 3: I try to show people that. 60 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 4: We're all nervous, Okay, So when you're a parent of 61 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 4: a pitcher, of course you're nervous. It doesn't matter if 62 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 4: you you know you got three hundred wins in the 63 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 4: big leagues or you don't. So we have instances all 64 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 4: the time where somebody you know will talk about game changer. 65 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: You know, because I sit right behind home plate. 66 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 4: I chart fin these games like I'm the next starter, 67 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 4: the next day starter. I use the same chart that 68 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 4: I did for Forever and Brodie's games. I'm on the field, 69 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 4: so it's a little different, but you know, it's funny 70 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 4: because parents they think you know everything, and I try 71 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 4: to let them believe that, but I mean, you know, 72 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 4: as a player, we don't. I mean, we're we we 73 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 4: learned it on our own, our parents helped us. 74 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 3: That's all we're trying to do for our kids. 75 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not going there and it's a show, 76 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 4: like I'm not sitting there with my Cardinals World Series 77 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 4: ring and I'm like, hey, you know, you're just a 78 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 4: parent and you're and you're super nervous. I mean, I 79 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 4: I literally I do not know how my family did 80 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 4: it for twenty years watching me pitch. Okay, uh, there 81 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 4: are so many games like I can't even eat when 82 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 4: she pitches, Like when she'll play high level like you're playing. 83 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 4: She played the number number one softball team in the 84 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 4: in the country, and I'm like, oh. 85 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: My gosh, why is she pitching now. 86 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 4: I know how my my parents felt when I was 87 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 4: thrown against the NLC. 88 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 3: Against the match. 89 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 4: You're just you have no control as a parent, so 90 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 4: a lot of easier if you're mad. I don't know 91 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 4: if his kids pitched, but it's a lot easier when 92 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 4: they're a position player. 93 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, first off game Changer is one of 94 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: the greatest inventions ever. I can't tell you how many 95 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: times my kid's pitching. He's a pitcher, and I'm on 96 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: the road, not this year, but I'm at a game, 97 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: what you know, doing little hits on Cardinals, and I 98 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: almost give my kids score because I'm watching it on 99 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: the game Changer. But here's the thing. I'm with you, right, No, 100 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: it's true, like I almost say Ford to Nope, that's 101 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: my kid's game. My kid pitches, he did not inherit 102 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: great athletic jeans like your kids did. But I get 103 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: more nervous. Like here I am interviewing world famous celebrities 104 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: like Jeff Suphat. 105 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm not nervous. But when my. 106 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: Kid pitches, and the only advice I ever say is 107 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,239 Speaker 1: take your breath, keep pounding the zone. 108 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: Otherwise he'll give me a dirty look. So he's okay 109 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 2: when they go, take your breath, keep pounding the zone. 110 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: That's it. 111 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: Well, otherwise for the other kids, I'll always say, here 112 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: we go, Billy, let's go scooter, whatever it is. But 113 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: being a parent, while you're kipitching it will it will 114 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: take it at me. But it does bring me to another, 115 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: meaning I told you, yeah, go ahead. 116 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 4: Well I'm saying, like your advice, that's good advice, whether 117 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 4: you know you played or forever or not. I mean, 118 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 4: breathing is the number one thing. Like for years, I 119 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 4: would sit there and I look at Finley or Brodie 120 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 4: and I'd do it to every single picture I have. 121 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 3: Now it's like, take your breath. Yeah, you know, take 122 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 3: you have to you have to breathe. 123 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 4: And I thought this homeless guy was coming over here, 124 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 4: but we're okay. 125 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 2: I hope he does because it'll be a good video. 126 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: He's a good interview. But no, that's great advice and 127 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. You know. 128 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 4: It's like every kid learns on their own and you 129 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 4: have to learn when you fail. 130 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 3: I mean that's just the way it is. 131 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: So here's the other thing. 132 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: So I told you before we started, I had a 133 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: lot of things I wanted to talk to you about. 134 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: But I don't know what order because it is going 135 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: to go all over the place. But I do think, 136 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: first off, anyone that has kids, they probably play sports, 137 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: and I think there's something to learn from here in 138 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: other people's experience. But this ties into your professional career. 139 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: We don't see pitchers logging two hundred innings anymore, certainly 140 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: not five straight seasons. 141 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: So you were a guy who. 142 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: Threw control movement over velocity. Right, you didn't have a 143 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: ninety nine mile in that hour fastball. What do you 144 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: think the key for the fact that for the most 145 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: part in your career you were healthy and you always 146 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: logged a lot of innings, which is such an important 147 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: thing to have from your starting rotation. 148 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 149 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 4: So, I mean I think it was just bread in us. 150 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 4: I was not you know, I was touted as the 151 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 4: next Roger Clemmons, you know, like you know when they 152 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 4: the scouts put things on you. But I just never 153 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 4: got to the velocity. I mean I topped out when 154 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 4: I was throwing out of the bullpen ninety five and 155 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 4: then as a starter, I never could pitch that way. 156 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 4: And my you know, different pitching coaches through the years 157 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 4: would say, hey, Soup, can you throw harder? 158 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: And I said, yeah, but. 159 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 4: I I can't command it when I throw harder. I mean, 160 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 4: I just I missed too much. So and it became 161 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 4: a mentality, and you know, I came up. You know, 162 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 4: depending on what team you come up is really how 163 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 4: you learn. You know, if you're coming up with the 164 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 4: with the Cardinals in the in the two thousands and 165 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 4: and uh, you know you're expecting a lot of wins 166 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 4: really strong teams. You're coming up with another team in 167 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 4: the two thousands and really it may change the. 168 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 3: Way you view pitching. 169 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 4: Right, So, regardless whether you're getting wins or not, you know, 170 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 4: innings was the foundation and number of starts. So my 171 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 4: personal goal was always to throw to win fifteen, to 172 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 4: throw two hundred, and to make at least thirty starts 173 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 4: a year. That was Those were some of my goals. 174 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 4: Now how do you get to those goals? It's like, okay, 175 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 4: well I can't control the wins, okay, but I can control. 176 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 3: The quality starts. 177 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 4: So I took fifteen wins and I changed it to 178 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 4: quality starts, and I said, I want to have eighteen 179 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 4: to twenty quality starts if I can't. And the mentality 180 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 4: of just being able to grind through innings to work. 181 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 3: When you don't have your best stuff. 182 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 4: I mean, the bottom line is everyone's great when they 183 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 4: have their best stuff, but how do you pitch when 184 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 4: you don't? 185 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 3: And that's how you throw two hundred innings? 186 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 4: And to be honest with you, when I came over 187 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 4: to Saint Louis, I had I had five years in 188 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 4: a row, and I wasn't winning many games. So for me, 189 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 4: like throwing two hundred innings was like, I have to 190 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 4: at least get to two hundred innings if I'm gonna 191 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 4: win ten, you know games. 192 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: And you know, I. 193 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 4: Come to Saint Louis that first year and I think 194 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 4: I won sixteen and I was mad because I didn't 195 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 4: throw two hundred innings. 196 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 3: Tony kept taking me out of the game. I was 197 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 3: getting mad, but I didn't say anything because wins are 198 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: really great. 199 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: And would you believe when it came time for the playoffs, 200 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 4: like I felt amazing, I mean really, And I threw 201 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 4: twenty innings that. 202 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 3: Year in that postseason and felt fine. 203 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 4: So I realized, like previously, like I was probably grinding 204 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 4: myself down a little bit too much. I was durable, 205 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 4: and I was you know, I could throw the two hundred, 206 00:10:59,520 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 4: but I wasn't. 207 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: Or two hundred and fifty inn. 208 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 4: Guy, But but who knows, Maybe I could have been 209 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 4: if I would have trained that way. 210 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: But I think now they just don't train that way. 211 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't, it doesn't. I don't know. I 212 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: mean it just that it looks like they don't really 213 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: want that. 214 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: So is it between starts and kind I hear some 215 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: of the old timers, and you're still a young man, 216 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: so don't take offense. But they talk about long tossing 217 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: being a lost thing, that long tossing between starts keeps 218 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: your arm healthy, strong and active. 219 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 2: Do you do you buy into that? 220 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 3: So? 221 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 4: I was never an overlong toss guy, like a Jaeger 222 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 4: type guy throwing three hundreds, you know, feet or whatever. 223 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: But I threw. I threw one to one fifty every day. 224 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: I threw the same way every day, right. I didn't like. 225 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 4: I didn't say, oh my arm feels a little soft today. 226 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 4: I maybe shortened the minutes, but I really played the 227 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 4: cat play catch the same way every day, and I 228 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 4: was really trying to go for a consistency. I don't 229 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 4: know what they do now. I have no idea if 230 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 4: they throw long toss or not. Are you saying they don't. 231 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying it's not as big a part of the 232 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: between star routines for a lot of pictures as I 233 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: hear from the old timers, as it is as it 234 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: used to be, that they've gotten away from that as 235 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: like the main staple. 236 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 2: Now some guys might do it, I don't, you know. 237 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: I don't judge everyone else. 238 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: I don't even know sometimes what they do between starts, 239 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: but I'm told that that's one of the big differences. 240 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: So you weren't in Saint Louis like two stints, which 241 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: is kind of cool. I remember you, by the way, 242 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: when you were in Kansas City. You don't even remember me, 243 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: but I was there for like a couple of months 244 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: while you were there, and then I got moved to 245 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: Saint Louis with Fox, and it was like night and day. 246 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: Kansas City clubhouse was down. Your manager once called me 247 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: into his office to rip everyone on the team, and 248 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: I barely knew him. And then we both get to 249 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: Saint Louis and it's like, because when he does that, 250 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 1: it was a whole different feel. Everything was brighter, everything 251 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: was more fun, everything was more enjoyable. But in two 252 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: thousand and six, I was going back and because I 253 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: remember some of it, but your rotation was you had 254 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: the bulk of the starts Carpenter and Marquis and then 255 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: other guys kind of piecemeal. What well you think of 256 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: two thousand and six when you want it all. By 257 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: the way, kudos on the on the NLCS MVP, But 258 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: what do you remember about that season most And there's 259 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: a handsome fellow right there in that year pitching. 260 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 3: Think of that, young Buck. I still look the same almost. 261 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: You've aged beautifully. 262 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 3: I think I've done all right, you know what I mean? 263 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 2: And makes one of us. 264 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you look fantastic. 265 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. 266 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: I think that. 267 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 4: You know, it's funny like Sidney Ponson, who I remember 268 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 4: pitching against when I was in when I was with 269 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 4: the Red Sox, I didn't realize he was on our team. 270 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 4: I don't know how long he was there, and you're right, 271 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 4: it was like and then Weaver came over and Moulder yeah, 272 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 4: but Mulder got hurt pretty yeah, oh yeah he started Yeah, 273 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 4: is we were Weaver came over because Mulder yeah yeah, okay, 274 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 4: and then you know that Anthony reyis and I think, honestly, 275 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 4: it was it was just a really a belief that 276 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 4: you know, we had grinded the entire year, barely made 277 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 4: it in. I mean, and we had nothing to lose, 278 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like there was nothing to lose, 279 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 4: so let's just go out and play, and I think 280 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 4: it made it stronger as a pitching staff and as 281 00:14:55,080 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 4: a team. And I mean, you know Detroit, I mean 282 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 4: they kind of you know, they kind of helped us 283 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 4: a little bit, like getting through getting through the the 284 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 4: the Mets was just like that was awesome. 285 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: One of the greatest series. 286 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,239 Speaker 4: I mean, and then and we also had the Astros 287 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 4: and know for another great series, and those the series 288 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 4: that you have to work. 289 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: That's where it's awesome. 290 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 4: And that's where, like last year, that World Series, that 291 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 4: was probably the funnest I mean, I don't That's probably 292 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 4: the only time I watched baseball, and I just it's 293 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 4: just when you when it goes. 294 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 3: Back and forth and anyone can win it. 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I hope I can figure 333 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 3: out that app. I mean, my wife's very good at it, 334 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 3: but I am not. 335 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not either. Are you gonna be in St. 336 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: Louis when they have the twenty sixteen reunion this year? 337 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 3: I am yes? Is that next year? This year? 338 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: I think it's this year in July? 339 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, oh six yeah yeah right. 340 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, the years twenty years. 341 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 342 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: So one of the things that I always think about, 343 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: because people don't know this about Jeff Soupon, is that 344 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: you hit four eighty as a senior in high school 345 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: a first basement that could d Somebody used Google. Somebody 346 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: used Google. 347 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 3: To eleven home runs fifty five RBIs. 348 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: With two homers in the big leagues, one of them 349 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: and the nlcs off the same guy, Tracchual. I think, 350 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: what do you remember about your home run because that 351 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: the kids call it a big flex? 352 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: That was a big flex. 353 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, the I didn't use those terminologies, you know, but 354 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 4: I was like, okay, so I told I shared this 355 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 4: story a few times. But when I came over, I 356 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 4: hit a few times. Pittsburgh, Arizona, and you know, in 357 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 4: Pittsburgh I only hit for four months, but I hit. 358 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: Like three hundred. It was unbelievable. 359 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 4: I mean I was basically hit it against the fence 360 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 4: and it's at least a single. 361 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 3: That's how slow I was. And when I went to 362 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 3: Saint Louis, everyone hit and I was in an. 363 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 4: Zero for forty four. It was unbelievable. And Dave McKay 364 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 4: told me, he goes, hey, listen, soup. How many pitchers 365 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 4: can say they went oh for the season? 366 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 3: I said, I said, I said. 367 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 4: You're one hundred percent right. I'm gonna stop trying to 368 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 4: hit the ball, right, And Tony gave me two slash 369 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 4: bunts and I end up getting a hit. That's that's 370 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 4: an uh four. So when Larry comes over, he makes 371 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 4: a comment in the paper. Everyone's getting like standing ovations 372 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 4: just for normal home runs, not like game winners or 373 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 4: like curtain calls for I mean, just just a third 374 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 4: inning home run, you're getting a curtain call, right, So 375 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 4: I am trying to hit a home run. So I 376 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 4: just got to get one home run, and it was 377 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 4: Steve Traxel. And this is the craziest thing about this story. 378 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 4: My buddy who was His name is Brian Hopkins, and 379 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 4: you should check out his music. 380 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 3: Okay, great dude. 381 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 4: He trained every off season with me because he was 382 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 4: a musician, and so he was the only one who 383 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 4: was available in the morning, so we played catch and 384 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 4: so when I went to Saint Louis, I used his 385 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 4: song It's All for You as my walk up song. 386 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 4: So he came with the camp corder my camp corner 387 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 4: to film it his song being played. 388 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 3: In the stadium, and I hit a home run, so 389 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 3: I actually have a home footage video from the stands 390 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 3: of myself hitting the home run. Now what I remember. 391 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 3: I remember hitting it. 392 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 4: I remember putting my head down and trying to run 393 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 4: as fast as I could. 394 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 3: I remember like I didn't know if it was gone. 395 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: I couldn't even see the ball. 396 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 4: So I remember the umpire I looked at him and 397 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 4: he was circling, and then I never I basically stepped 398 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 4: on home plate and took a deep breath because I 399 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 4: was holding my breath the whole time, and then I 400 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 4: got a curtain call. 401 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 2: Yes you did. 402 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: Give me a Tony larusa story. You know, I just 403 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: saw him this year and he's still doing his thing. 404 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: He's still every bit Tony. 405 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: How you doing. 406 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: I'll let you know at ten o'clock, I'd like to 407 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: manage against you. Blah blah blah, you know, all the stinging. 408 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: Give me a Tony Larus' story. 409 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 4: Okay, So basically, he he was probably the most consistent manager. 410 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: I thought he was. I love playing for him. And 411 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: he just had some funny quirks like we all do. 412 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 4: Right. So there was one time I'm I'm I'm on 413 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 4: the bench and I'm just observing and I'm sitting there. 414 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 4: I'm like, why does he have his hands behind his back? 415 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 4: And he has like numbers, like he has numbers behind 416 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 4: his back, right. 417 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 3: And I asked somebody, I'm like, what is going on? 418 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 3: And he goes, oh, I don't know. I think he's 419 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 3: trying to like change the count, you know, like like 420 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: superstition wise. And I'm like, oh, really okay. 421 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 4: And then and then I'm I'm sitting there and this 422 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 4: is the And then the next day it's like, I see. 423 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 3: Woody would Woody williams Uh. Tony used to come out 424 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 3: and clean up all the cups, and I used to say, 425 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 3: sweepers out, and so. 426 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 4: He would come in and he would clean all the 427 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 4: cups up, and then then Woody would walk by and 428 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 4: like potunicky trips and then all the cups fall over 429 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 4: the floor and you could see Tony was just like, 430 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 4: so I'm like, I'm seeing this totally intense manager, right, 431 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 4: And so one day, you know, we used to have 432 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 4: an expression which was miss the anthem. 433 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 3: Missed the game, like you had you had to be 434 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 3: out there for the national anthem. 435 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 4: So I am like running behind, right, and so I'm sprinting. 436 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 4: The national anthem is getting ready to start, and. 437 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 3: Tony used to have all these celebrities and and you know, 438 00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: actors and musicians and I and I'm like thinking, he 439 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 3: is like the most intense baseball guy. 440 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,959 Speaker 4: And he's sitting there talking to meat Loaf for like 441 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 4: twenty minutes, and I'm like and I'm sprinting by. 442 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 3: Like I hope I'm not gonna be in trouble. 443 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 4: And Tony's sitting there and he's just talking to meat 444 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 4: Loaf and then he comes out after the national anthem. 445 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 3: So it's like you never know what you get, you 446 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 3: know what I mean. But he was consistent and he 447 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 3: would just he was just Tony man. 448 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 4: He had some great one liners, like when he yelled 449 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 4: at Prenzy and he said, that's why I have the 450 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 4: big office and you have a locker when Prinzy changed 451 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 4: the stretch time. 452 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 3: It was one of the greatest lines I've ever heard 453 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 3: that I've used it. 454 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: He was great employ He had celebrity friends. I met 455 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people thanks to Tony LaRussa. 456 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 3: A lot of me too, me too. It was great. 457 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 2: Who was the best guy that you met? 458 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: Like, there was the guy from Rush, there was the 459 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: author of both. 460 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 4: Legal Okay, this is this was This was always my 461 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 4: one liner to these people. 462 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 3: I said, oh, yeah, where do you live? 463 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 4: Because ninety of them lived in la and I did too, 464 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 4: and so they would say, oh I live in La'm like, 465 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 4: oh so do I. 466 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 3: I go, I live in the valley. Where do you live? 467 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: They're like, I live in the valley too. I'm like, 468 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 3: oh my gosh. You know. So I would try to, like, 469 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 3: you know, but it never worked out. 470 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 4: I mean, you know those people are they're so busy, 471 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 4: and I'm like, we're busy, and I'm like it didn't 472 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 4: work out. But like Larry Walker was a huge Rush fan, 473 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 4: and he was, you know, with Geddy and all those guys. 474 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 3: But those guys love music, Eddie Vedder. Yeah, I mean 475 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 3: just they just love baseball. I mean, you know. 476 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 4: And so I don't know who else I met, but 477 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 4: I know I met some people that I never would 478 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 4: have met if it wasn't for Tony LaRussa. 479 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: Now I have one thing I want to ask you about. 480 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: Le Bra was s I believe that was twenty ten. 481 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: I bring it up because there was I think that's 482 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: you holding on to someone. But at some point you 483 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: did end up under the pile, and you did miraculously 484 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: escape that pile. And now I don't know if you 485 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: have any sort of lingering psychological things you're dealing with 486 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: from being part of that, but if you can, if 487 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: you can take us through that, because it was a fight. 488 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: Somehow you were under a pile and then I saw 489 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: you scurrying out. 490 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: So tell me about that. 491 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 3: I got a story about it. Are you ready? Yep? Okay, 492 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 3: buckle up? All right? So basically that day I get 493 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 3: put on the dl okay and so I'm basically released 494 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 3: and I come over there. 495 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 4: I'm trying to get it get it right again. And 496 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 4: so I get put on the DL and then Phillips 497 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 4: makes comments in the paper and you know, even though 498 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 4: I've been on the team, you know, but I've been 499 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 4: gone for a couple of years, it's a little different group. 500 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 4: And so the whole thing happens, and you know, Yatt, 501 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 4: he says what he says, and then boom, we come 502 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 4: out right. 503 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 3: So I'm sitting there and. 504 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, I'm on the d L and if 505 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 4: we make the playoffs, I gotta make sure Carp is 506 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 4: not gonna get hurt right here, because Carp was like 507 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 4: totally chirping. I was like, bro, come on, now, let's 508 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 4: let let the others, you know, handle this, And so 509 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 4: he starts. 510 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 3: To yell at Dusty and then rolling like it. 511 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 4: Was like he turns like you're yelling at my manager, 512 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 4: and they start walking toward each other, and that picture 513 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 4: is like me like hey, row row. 514 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 3: Row, hey, hey, you know, like say, what are you 515 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 3: guys doing? Like, and they got and I was I 516 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 3: was there. 517 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 4: I don't know who's in front of me, but when 518 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 4: I was there, I knew they weren't gonna throw punches, 519 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 4: but they were like it was it was like two 520 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 4: heavyweights coming together and they were out of breath. 521 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 3: It was the funniest thing. I'm like, wait, wait, you 522 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 3: guys are out of breath. They didn't even do anything yet. 523 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 4: They were holding onto each other's shirts and and so 524 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 4: you know, but uh uh Scotty was protecting his manager, 525 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 4: like you know, like nobody's gonna yell at my manager 526 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 4: and uh and then Karp is protecting you know, YACHTI 527 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 4: you know. 528 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 3: And so what happens at this point is I don't 529 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 3: know when when. 530 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 4: We got when all the when everybody gets together, somehow 531 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 4: we I get pushed. 532 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 3: We all get pushed. 533 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 4: I thought we all did, but maybe it was just me. 534 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 4: I was slammed to the ground by push. I'm sorry, 535 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 4: not slam pushed to the ground. 536 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 3: And so. 537 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 4: You know, when you're in a brawl, like the last 538 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 4: place you want to be is on the ground with 539 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 4: everyone wearing spikes, right, So I. 540 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 3: Am immediately flipped over and I crawled out. And then 541 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 3: it was funny like my father in law was like, man, 542 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 3: what are you doing? Crawled out like one's just staying there. 543 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, and I told him that story, 544 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 4: and then I realized I I. 545 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 3: Crawled out through all of the cardoes. I didn't even know. 546 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 4: I didn't know who's what team is where, you know, 547 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 4: And then I'm like, where's carp you know, I got, 548 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,719 Speaker 4: you know, and then I ended up going uh and 549 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 4: so I kind of just tried to surround him so like, 550 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 4: because I don't know what happened he you know, obviously 551 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 4: I wasn't on the team when they were facing each 552 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 4: other all the time, but he was fired up, you know. 553 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 3: And so then I'm trying to hold him. 554 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 4: And then that's when who the I don't know who 555 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 4: it was, Queto was spiking him, but yeah, you know 556 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 4: I was he got he got the catcher LaRue and 557 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 4: hurt from yes bad and LaRue was such a great guy. 558 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 3: That was super sad. I mean, but that's those are 559 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 3: things that you know, like you know, but yeah, that 560 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 3: was that was That was nice. That was a nice 561 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 3: little one. 562 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: That's a good. All right, last thing before we let 563 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: you go. You're on social media and now, so tell 564 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: me about that. 565 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 4: The followers. Hey, I mean, let me let me tell you. 566 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 4: Let me tell your listeners about you. 567 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 3: So I I I'm trying to learn what it's called. 568 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 4: Instagram and and Twitter X and I don't know, Like 569 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 4: I was, like, what else am I going to do? 570 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 4: So I have like two followers, and so I reached 571 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 4: out to Kat, I said, man, I go listen. The 572 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 4: Cardinals they won't even follow me, Like I don't even 573 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 4: get it, like the organization. The Cardinals won't follow me, 574 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 4: but the Royals they followed me in like two seconds. 575 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 4: But I only got like two followers. And so you 576 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 4: tweeted out and then you did through exs like let's 577 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 4: help our friend out. And all of a sudden, I 578 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 4: went to ten followers in like a minute. And that 579 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 4: was because of you. That was because of you, baby. 580 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: That's ju Cat. 581 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: Let me tell you some shit. One of the all 582 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: time nicest guys I ever dealt with. I appreciate you 583 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: spending some time. First of all, I know you're going 584 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: to your daughter's tournament, so good luck to her, say 585 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: hi to Dana. But I just wanted to say thanks 586 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: for coming on. You're a good man, and I will 587 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: see you at the twenty sixteen reunion. 588 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 3: I can't wait to see you, dud, I can't. I 589 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 3: can't believe you don't call me every day and with 590 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 3: chat you're the same guy. You were then too, before 591 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 3: all the fame and all the glory. 592 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 4: And and I tell you what, it is hard to 593 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 4: be the dad of a picture's son, regardless, it doesn't 594 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 4: matter who you are. It's hard. And uh, I wish 595 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 4: him the best of luck. And you tell them, hey man, 596 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 4: keep your chin up. And you know it one in 597 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 4: doubt a little bit underneath the chinnel get people off 598 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 4: the plate. 599 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 3: You can still do that in high school, right. I mean, 600 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: in the big leagues you can, but in high school 601 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 3: you can. 602 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: Take your breath. Take your breath, super always a pleasure. 603 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. 604 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Hopefully that episode won't suck