WEBVTT - #526 - Sam Williams on His Dad, Hank Williams Jr., Walking Out Mid-Interview with Bobby a Few Years Ago + Living Up to a Family Legacy + How He Got Dolly Parton on Happy all the Time + Not Having Family Money Like People Assume

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that you know, I was given my own name.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't a Hank the fourth or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure that my dad and probably wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>wanted me to go into music at all.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode is with Sam Williams. Sam is Hank Williams

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<v Speaker 2>junior son, so that makes Hank william Senior his grandpa.

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<v Speaker 2>And I really wasn't going to bring up the dad

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<v Speaker 2>thing that Hank Williams Junior him leaving the studio. I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't going to bring it up, especially upfront in the interview,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not at all, because I never want the kid

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<v Speaker 2>of an artist to feel like that's the only reason

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking to them. So I was relieved when he

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<v Speaker 2>brought it up, immediately got ready to do it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>To him, I think he was like, well, we're probably

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<v Speaker 2>gonna talk about this, so let's just jump right in.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had never met Sam before at two Country

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<v Speaker 2>Star is out now. It came out July eleventh, so

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<v Speaker 2>go check it out, go stream it. It's got seven

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<v Speaker 2>tracks on it, and we talk about all of it,

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<v Speaker 2>talk about his grandpa, talking about his dad, talk about

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<v Speaker 2>his career, why it's different, what it was like growing

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<v Speaker 2>up as Hank Junior son, all of that here with

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Williams. By the way, his Instagram is Sam Williams,

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<v Speaker 2>except it's spelled with a V not an A, so

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like Sam will of Them's. Yeah, we'll put

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<v Speaker 2>it in the episode notes. You can bind it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to explain here he is Sam Williams. Sam,

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<v Speaker 2>it is nice to meet you, man. Nice to meet

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<v Speaker 2>you too. This is amazing. I don't think we met

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<v Speaker 2>no a lot of times in this town. As you'll

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<v Speaker 2>probably back me up on this, you meet people very

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<v Speaker 2>quickly and you don't remember meeting them because it's like

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<v Speaker 2>six seconds. And sometimes I'll be like, hey, nice to

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<v Speaker 2>meet you, and they're like, oh, we've we met once,

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<v Speaker 2>or you know of or know what they're known for. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I know of you and yeah what you're known for? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know your music, but we've never met. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've always been familiar with you in a way,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not super close, but I know my dad

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<v Speaker 1>on your podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I was familiar with that when he walked down of

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<v Speaker 2>the show. Yeah, that's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody in the world sending this to me, They're like.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see. I know you're busy. Did you see

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<v Speaker 2>your dad did this week? I'm like, I'm sure he did,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And I respected it, and I've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>it a couple of times since because all my friends

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<v Speaker 2>sent it to me. And in the moment, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think much of it. Meaning people come in, your dad

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<v Speaker 2>obviously very famous. I didn't realize he wanted to smoke

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<v Speaker 2>a cigar, like. I didn't know the real reason. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you brought this up, because I may have

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<v Speaker 2>never even brought this up. Your dad, who I grew

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<v Speaker 2>up listening to because my grandmother was a massive fan,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I grew up listened to your dad and

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<v Speaker 2>he was coming. I was like, great, it was him,

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<v Speaker 2>And it was one of the guys of Black Keys

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<v Speaker 2>who was producing the record, Dan, Yeah, Dan already, And

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<v Speaker 2>so they came in and your dad just had a

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<v Speaker 2>big personality about him, and I was like, classic Hank

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<v Speaker 2>Hank Junior, deep breath, yeah, and he was on. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay, like I'm up for it. Yeah, And so

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<v Speaker 2>We're kind of going back and forth, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the game. I'm totally in. I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 2>somebody told him he couldn't smoke a cigar in the building,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why he was ready to get out of there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that was just like one sentence that that

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<v Speaker 1>damaged everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, happens sometimes people.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, sometimes people just do things though they can,

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<v Speaker 1>they just do things. And he is one of those

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<v Speaker 1>people that just does things, and wanting to smoke a

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<v Speaker 1>cigar and not getting to is probably one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess apologies on his behalf. But that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>the icon stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, that's pretty cool. That's honestly what I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I didn't. I also didn't back down, But it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't like I didn't feel like we're fighting. It just

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<v Speaker 2>felt like we're both like, all right, well, if this

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<v Speaker 2>is ain't right, we'll just go on to the next thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think he's unfamiliar with like this environment of

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<v Speaker 1>like doing this type of thing. It was a long

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<v Speaker 1>time ago that he was more doing that and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>used to doing whatever he wants. He would rather be

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<v Speaker 1>in a deer stand or like something like that, planning

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<v Speaker 1>where to hunt bear in Minnesota. But but yeah, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>would send that to me, be like have you seen this?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like yes, that's so funny. It was really one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite moments last like ten years or so

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<v Speaker 2>because it was real.

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<v Speaker 1>It was absolutely there's a lot that's not real, and

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<v Speaker 1>at least that that's a real moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And it never felt like honestly angry, like I

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<v Speaker 2>think both of us were just like, all right, cool,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you you can go.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and he got the joke in about the how

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<v Speaker 1>this there's this much left on a cigar that Uncle

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<v Speaker 1>Harold used to say, that's like an ism, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like always.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's at least a few quotables. I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 2>brought that up because I may have forgotten all about that.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, well, you walked in, you're mitching the lion.

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<v Speaker 2>We have these lions like where when you walk in there,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you touched one of them. I

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<v Speaker 2>did not. I didn't know if that was well they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not like super valuable or anything, but we have

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<v Speaker 2>these lions by our pool and they're probably five feet taller.

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<v Speaker 2>So we ordered them. We went to one of these

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<v Speaker 2>websites and it was like they'll deliver it from Atlanta

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<v Speaker 2>and my wife one of these lions and they were like,

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<v Speaker 2>they're three hundred pounds each. And so I remember it

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<v Speaker 2>was my birthday and there were a few of us

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<v Speaker 2>over at the house and they delivered these two lions

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<v Speaker 2>that are three hundred pounds each. I bet you they

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<v Speaker 2>weigh a thousand pounds. We couldn't get him out of

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<v Speaker 2>the truck. The poor guy who delivered them was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to do. Like we took us

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<v Speaker 2>like a mike what an hour hour and a half

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<v Speaker 2>at least we had to. We couldn't even get them

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<v Speaker 2>back here. We rolled them out of the truck into

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<v Speaker 2>the yard and left them for a week. Like they're

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<v Speaker 2>that heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>You had to get like a whole dolly situation to

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<v Speaker 1>get it back.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a dollie. We broke the dollie. We had

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<v Speaker 2>to hire people, oh my gosh, to come and bring

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<v Speaker 2>those lines. So thank you for at least acknowledging those lions.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh they're the whole vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like they're over they're overlooking the pool.

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<v Speaker 2>They are and that is basically a thousand pounds crazy. Uh. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell you why I like you and why

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<v Speaker 2>I've always well, I've known who you are why I'm

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<v Speaker 2>fond of what you do, mostly because of how you

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<v Speaker 2>do it. Meaning I've always been given crap since my

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<v Speaker 2>arrival in Nashville because I don't really look like I

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<v Speaker 2>was supposed to look, meaning especially when I got here.

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<v Speaker 2>No belt buckle, no cowboy hat. Yeah, and even though

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<v Speaker 2>I'm from Arkansas and spent a lot of my life

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<v Speaker 2>moving around and trailer park, like I was like like

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<v Speaker 2>white trash, redneck country, but I wasn't cowboy and that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't considered real. And I'm in cardigans and I'm wearing

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<v Speaker 2>nice tennis shoes and they're like, well, yeah, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>country spectacles. Yeah, nerdy, great point, Thank for minum I

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<v Speaker 2>and nerdia nerdy glasses. But I think that's also I

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<v Speaker 2>think what I've been drawn to about what you do

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<v Speaker 2>is you kind of and I mean this in a

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<v Speaker 2>complimenty well you kind of don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think that it's it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>natural for me. I don't really care. I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>think that I have plenty of insecurities that show their

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<v Speaker 1>face all the time. But I mean, even you, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're sneakers right here. These are Louis Vuitton off white Nike.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a whole filing like you knowing that and like

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<v Speaker 1>you've made that cool people. What's his name, Jesse Frasier. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>his shoes are crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like a cool thing now. So I think that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the more people get to like what they like,

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<v Speaker 1>because liking stuff is cool, and doing stuff is cool,

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<v Speaker 1>and being yourself is cool, you know, uh, it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more normalized. But I think that sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I have to you know, know that I'm going against

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<v Speaker 1>the grain, But a lot of the time I just

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<v Speaker 1>can't help it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna do what I want to do, and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do my damn dist you know, to do it well.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I was never I was never gonna

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<v Speaker 1>fit in the preconceived boxes and you know, and image

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<v Speaker 1>of what is the Nashville standard, and you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying so in music and definitely with my legacy,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's completely you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Compounded by that.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's why I think I kind of have no

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<v Speaker 1>choice but to just be exactly myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you have the pressure and I and the bonus

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<v Speaker 2>of a legacy, right like that, It's not just amazing

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<v Speaker 2>because there's a lot of it is cool, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of pressure to the legacy, like things that

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<v Speaker 2>people will compare you to unfairly even if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>ask for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you ever think about not using the name? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think that it'd be fun. I make

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of jokes all the time about what would my

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<v Speaker 1>stage name do? But I mean it's authentics, no gimmicks,

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<v Speaker 1>It's just my name. And I'm glad that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was given my own name. I wasn't a Hank

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth or something like that. And I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 1>my dad and probably wouldn't have wanted me to go into.

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<v Speaker 2>Music at all. He would rather do not. I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sure his mom, Audrey. I've never met Audrey.

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<v Speaker 1>She died twenty some years before I was born. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure she would have made sure that I was in music.

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<v Speaker 1>That I would have been learning, you know stuff when

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<v Speaker 1>I was little. So, I mean I kind of came

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<v Speaker 1>to not with much musical background. You know, my dad's

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<v Speaker 1>a whistler at home, a whistler talk about the weather

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<v Speaker 1>going down the road home, and you know, not playing records,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what I love, you know, not like

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<v Speaker 1>me and my kid in the car necessarily at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that it was like a scary thing

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<v Speaker 1>for me for a long time of if this is

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<v Speaker 1>something I wanted to do, what would it look like

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<v Speaker 1>for me?

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<v Speaker 2>I like Britney Spears and Justin Bieber and JT.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so as a kid, I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>something I very much shot away from. And then later

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<v Speaker 1>on it just kind of made sense. You know, for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, it doesn't. You don't know what you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>and you're doing something, and then you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>just over the past couple of years, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>just all fell in line for me, like I get

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<v Speaker 1>it now. I get what I'm supposed to do and

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<v Speaker 1>like how to do it and it and it feels good,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I think that a lot of people probably

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<v Speaker 1>like me as a writer, you write the most sad

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<v Speaker 1>music first, I mean, you just out the gate with

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<v Speaker 1>it because it's like dying to get out in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>And with the new project, I'm definitely able to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to have fun with my music for one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first times. Kind of similar, I think, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>kind of realized to my dad in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>seventies and into the eighties of not wanting. He would

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<v Speaker 1>always reference not wanting to sing those old sad songs,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in many things and feeling Better even, which

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<v Speaker 1>is one of my favorites. And then the sound kind

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<v Speaker 1>of changed and there was a more of a pride

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<v Speaker 1>and a joy to the raucousness to the music.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that it changed too for him, Yeah, yeah, big time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean The Mountain Fall did that too. But

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, you know, all my reinvention comes from Hayting Junior,

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<v Speaker 1>not all of it, but I think that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to. I was very adamant about writing all

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<v Speaker 1>my songs, writing all my music and it being something unique.

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<v Speaker 1>So if somebody didn't like it or they wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>take power from me because they didn't like what I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing, that it was still something very real, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's always been my thing, and who

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<v Speaker 1>knows where my career's going, but like, I always have

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<v Speaker 1>that to fall back on. And I think with this project,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really having fun with it and been able to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, really open it up, and I'm just trying to.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm knocking on the ceiling, you know. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>with each thing that I do. So I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>that Jelly Roll intro is cool. Yes, yeah, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>one the documentary we did together.

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<v Speaker 2>It's super cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw him the opry at the Rhyman like years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>He was there with Ernest and friends with Ernest, and

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<v Speaker 1>he yelled at me and he's like.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Sambo, when we gonna do that record?

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<v Speaker 1>Man? And I didn't really think anything of it. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, man, Jelly Roll, he's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I should have done that.

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<v Speaker 1>I still want to, but I've actually, you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>is a crazy thing what's happened with Jelly Roll. And

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<v Speaker 1>one of the you know, one of the really cool

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<v Speaker 1>things about it is that a lot of it is

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<v Speaker 1>from an authenticity that he does talk about all the

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<v Speaker 1>dark stuff and what he came from, even if he's

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<v Speaker 1>doing something different.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. I was watching your TikTok where you're playing Jelly

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<v Speaker 2>talking about you and you're like, this is my intro?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you rehearsal? Yeah? Yeah, you're kind of sitting there

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<v Speaker 2>playing where did that come from? As in, did you

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<v Speaker 2>lead him somewhere to say that? Did you say? Like what?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even meet I've never met him since years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>We were in the same documentary called Rebel Country that's

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<v Speaker 1>like going somewhere, and I think it was about the

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<v Speaker 1>artists featured in it. What do they represent about being

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<v Speaker 1>a rebel in country or what does that mean? And

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<v Speaker 1>they just I saw it at the screening that he

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<v Speaker 1>just said that about me.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's like the greatest ww hype.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, come on, yeah, I want I want a whole one,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I want like my dad has in the show,

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<v Speaker 1>all these references.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just know all the words to all of them

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<v Speaker 1>from country artists like Justin Moore definitely, Jase Noldan or

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<v Speaker 1>Luke or something. It's all them referencing him in songs

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<v Speaker 1>like a mashup and I want one from Dolly Parton.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I need, you know, one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>things here.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've got to work together. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>She's on my first album on a song called Happy

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<v Speaker 1>All the Time.

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<v Speaker 2>You want me to tell a story on that? I

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<v Speaker 2>would love to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>God, she was really crazy. I was making my son

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<v Speaker 1>breakfast one day. My manager calls with this idea and

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, we gotta get Dolly Onhappy all the Time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, really, like I'm really young, like

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<v Speaker 1>you really just kind of ruined my day, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>want to dream big, you know I do. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>big dreamer, but come on now. And we just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of focused everything on it, tried to see any way

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<v Speaker 1>we could get to her, and it ended up happening

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<v Speaker 1>through this really amazing sweet lady that my friend Bobby

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<v Speaker 1>Tomberland is friends with. He's an older songwriter here, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's like a country music history buff. He's the best

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<v Speaker 1>and news one close to her that does does Dolly's

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<v Speaker 1>hair and has for years. And she just felt this

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<v Speaker 1>calling to to get her this song. She says she'd

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<v Speaker 1>never given her a song from someone in family or

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<v Speaker 1>friends in like thirty years. And I made a little

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<v Speaker 1>package and I wrote a letter and like I type

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<v Speaker 1>wrote the lyrics so happy all the time out it

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<v Speaker 1>looked a mess kind of and I laminated it, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was cute, like.

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<v Speaker 2>It was you laminated it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a no, Like yeah, I was like, I know

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<v Speaker 1>Dolly Parton, We're like the same. Like I'm about to

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<v Speaker 1>laminate this and she's gonna she's gonna think this is

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. I'm sending her a care package and

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<v Speaker 1>like in modern warfare this is and she was moved

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<v Speaker 1>by it.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And one time I had to for her to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the song after getting it, I had to drive

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<v Speaker 1>a boombox from Target in Brentwood to her offices in

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<v Speaker 1>the rain. I'm like buzzing the gate, like, hey, this

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<v Speaker 1>is Sam Williams. I have this speaker for Mss Dolly.

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<v Speaker 1>Sheught she said to bring she has to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>it on a CD and they're like what. They finally

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<v Speaker 1>let me in. I give it to her and we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't meet them.

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<v Speaker 2>We met later on.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was just amazing because she wanted. She was

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<v Speaker 1>very detailed in asking me. I wrote to her what

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<v Speaker 1>the song was about to me, and it was really

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<v Speaker 1>special then and she asked what exactly do you want

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<v Speaker 1>me to do? What lines would you like me to do?

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<v Speaker 1>And how should I answer to this? And it was awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, she's I think she's always overly gracious than

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<v Speaker 1>what is expected or required.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I agree, Yeah, she's been that way to

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<v Speaker 2>me too, and she definitely has not had to be

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<v Speaker 2>that way. No, because she really doesn't have to do

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<v Speaker 2>anything anymore. No, anything from her comes from her wanting

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<v Speaker 2>or feeling like a situation deserves her help, especially all

0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.600
<v Speaker 2>the charity work she does too, Right, Yeah, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like when she works with me in any way whatsoever, that's

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<v Speaker 2>charity with you, that's art with me, that's charity. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was appealing to I was feeling to Ethos real.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I wrote to her about the song. I think

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<v Speaker 1>she really there was like just some like weird parallels

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. I'm from West Tennessee, she's from East Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 1>I come from money in this big you know, big legacy,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of tragedy at the same time. They

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<v Speaker 1>just danced together and she came from you know, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of nothing and built something incredible, and you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about that some and she was kind of she

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<v Speaker 1>was hard on me though, like a little bit stern.

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<v Speaker 1>Why haven't you done this? You should have did an

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<v Speaker 1>album like this?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it advice? What are you doing? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>But it was a bit advised, but it was bit

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<v Speaker 1>Dolly Parton business advice.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was mega.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was terrified and she's just you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that she delets such an impact.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing. Growing up, was there music around you, say,

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<v Speaker 2>your dad wasn't you used historian for describing somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there a bunch of music accessible to you? Or

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<v Speaker 2>was it because he his life was so much music,

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<v Speaker 2>and your grandfather's lif and like a lot of your

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<v Speaker 2>family does music. Was there no music because it was

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<v Speaker 2>so much music?

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, it was more like that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>my dad had shows. He had shows in the summer.

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<v Speaker 1>He does this most of the time. I mean, when

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<v Speaker 1>I was little, it was probably different. But uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that playing guitar and writing songs in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes and you know, rowdiness probably phased out by the

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<v Speaker 1>time I was five, in two thousand and two, at

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<v Speaker 1>least on his side, you know. So, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that there's definitely there's probably a lot of unsaid

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<v Speaker 1>blockage there, you know, for all of us. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get to grow up with his dad, and people don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know that.

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<v Speaker 2>They just think that. And he did it.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad was a lot older when I was born.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was I'm from Paris, Tennessee. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>so I came from a really small place to strove

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<v Speaker 1>from there. This morning, you're still there, No, I just

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<v Speaker 1>I went back to real steaks with my friends and

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<v Speaker 1>my son wanted to fish and yeah, so I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's nice. A lot has changed, but we still have

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<v Speaker 1>a piece there and a place there, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on to that. But no, I mean I think

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<v Speaker 1>that my dad doesn't like to He doesn't talk about

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<v Speaker 1>music and listen to music. He talks about guns. He

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<v Speaker 1>loves guns, history of guns, making bullets. This war fall

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<v Speaker 1>off a mountain in Montana, you know, Mozambique one time.

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<v Speaker 2>This grizzly bear.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what my dad's vernacular is. He's a performer to

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else, you know, all the time. So I really

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<v Speaker 1>was able to draw inspiration from music from whatever I

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<v Speaker 1>exposed myself to, which was a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when did you start learning music at what age?

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<v Speaker 2>M like to sing? Yeah, like to actually create, more

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<v Speaker 2>so than hearing songs.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I just would do weird stuff as a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I told my mom I wrote Lucky about Britney Spears

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<v Speaker 1>for her, and I was singing it for my sister.

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<v Speaker 1>Came running down the stairs, my late sister Katie, and

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<v Speaker 1>she was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, that's a Britney Spears song. That's my favorite song.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't write that. I'm the one who played it.

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<v Speaker 2>For him. I was so upset, sad that is I

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<v Speaker 2>love that this is a story.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so, I mean I never got technical with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Then.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually moved to Nashville at fourteen and lived here

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<v Speaker 1>for a semester, my first semester of high school, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I was gonna take voice lessons, start doing stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, you know, I didn't want my time to

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<v Speaker 1>run out, Like I think, I'm scared of failure and

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<v Speaker 1>I always have been since very young. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's doing stuff, I have to be doing stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>To you moved here at fourteen? What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Who did you live with? Me? And my mom lived here?

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<v Speaker 2>Got it?

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<v Speaker 1>It was just six months and I went back home

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<v Speaker 1>and it was it was kind of a lot. I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't really ready for it yet I wanted to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't used to living around a bunch of like

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<v Speaker 1>rich kids and stuff either.

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<v Speaker 2>It was strange to me. Were you the rich kid

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<v Speaker 2>in Paris? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>For sure, and it comes with its People don't like that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I grew up like very used to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, but were you known as the rich kid

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<v Speaker 2>or was it obvious you were the rich kid? I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's a difference, like did you dress probably both nicer?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have nicer stuff than everybody else? No? I

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<v Speaker 2>was like a little kid.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but like i've I just have like a outlandish

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<v Speaker 1>fashion taste and always kind of have. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, experimental period. So and I do like cars,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, no, I mean I think that cars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like as a kid when I turned like eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>I all I talked about was my first car for.

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<v Speaker 2>Five years, Well, what's your first car?

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<v Speaker 1>It was a two thousand and eight BMW X five

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<v Speaker 1>from Gadston, Texas, and it was tan metallic and it

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<v Speaker 1>had big rims and brown mahogany inside. I was like

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<v Speaker 1>really planning on balling out and.

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<v Speaker 2>Why that car? Why that car? Yeah? He said, you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it for five years. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>that was the same car through all five years.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh No, I was just annoying. I was like talking

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<v Speaker 1>to my dad all the time, like I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to get a car. Why'd you pick the BMW? I

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<v Speaker 1>tried to get a hardship license. I just really liked

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<v Speaker 1>the color. It had a secret compartment on the dashboard

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought was cool and had like the big

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<v Speaker 1>flaps on the back, the older big bass like X

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<v Speaker 1>fives and the big buffler's kind of on it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was just super dope to me. You still like cars? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have enough money to you know, well, now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm confused to flex money. But now you're saying you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have money.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean as a kid, I grew up you

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<v Speaker 1>know with money. Now, Oh, I mean it's I don't

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<v Speaker 1>look around.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to find it, you know, I try to

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<v Speaker 2>find it. So you're saying there's just not a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of money that's fed to you all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, oh no, No, I don't. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of me and Holly. I don't know, if you know Holly.

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<v Speaker 1>Me and Holly have this conversation all the time sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>like people think that we just like were born and

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<v Speaker 1>just ate Hey, good looking cheerios and just freaking family

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<v Speaker 1>tradition till you know the cows went home, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>not it. You know, my dad's like a frugal, frugal

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<v Speaker 1>man born in nineteen forty nine. You know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a different world then. That's really what he said about

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<v Speaker 1>the cigar. But no, I mean my dad obviously helps

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<v Speaker 1>me in ways and has been there for me in

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<v Speaker 1>many ways before. But you know, I mean, like all

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<v Speaker 1>my dad's kids have been on our own thing.

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<v Speaker 2>When did you kind of have to go out and

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<v Speaker 2>do it yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably about kind of always. But my son was born.

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<v Speaker 1>I was nineteen, so it was a little bit different then.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I got a publishing deal when I

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<v Speaker 1>was It just turned twenty one, so it was about then.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I'm jealous of people with the lake

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<v Speaker 1>Martin lake houses and the big boats. I went on

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<v Speaker 1>a big boat recently the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>Big boat, like a lake yacht.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, and that's really nice. So you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to get one of those one day. So

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<v Speaker 1>right now I'm making my my fun on the lake

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<v Speaker 1>kind of songs. So you know, walk in that direction.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the goal. Big boat, Yeah kind of. But like

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<v Speaker 2>I just grew up on the lake.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not even really a materialistic thing like guns, just

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<v Speaker 1>a sun dancer.

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<v Speaker 2>No, do you know a lot about the history of guns,

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<v Speaker 2>because you're because my stepdad was obsessed with the Civil War.

0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:10.360
<v Speaker 2>I was obsessed with like nineteen sixties baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad's obsessed with like the Civil War. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know about the history guns. I know more about like

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<v Speaker 1>the history of the world and like international affairs than

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<v Speaker 1>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>That was what I brought a liking to. What kind

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<v Speaker 2>of student were you? I was a really.

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<v Speaker 1>Exceptional student for kind of all ways. And then by

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<v Speaker 1>high school I had gotten into the places I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to go and just kind of stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>The dream died for a.

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<v Speaker 1>Minute, and then I ended up going to school here

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<v Speaker 1>in Nashville for a few years in entertainment industry studies

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<v Speaker 1>whatever that means.

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<v Speaker 2>And what does that mean. It's just a way to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to come to Nashville commit and go to

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<v Speaker 2>school when really you're coming to Nashville to actually do entertainment.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I feel like it is.

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<v Speaker 1>For a lot of that's just when you just don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what you're doing yet. Some people are just in

0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:56.760
<v Speaker 1>an incubation period for too long and they're just in

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<v Speaker 1>that for too long. But I was just doing anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I took before I was really really writing.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember my first year at Belmont taking a songwriting

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<v Speaker 1>course and I didn't really know what I was doing

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<v Speaker 1>at all, And I don't know though, like looking back,

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<v Speaker 1>that was kind of the beauty of it. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I work with people like that are more esteemed like

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<v Speaker 1>a John Paul White or Jim Lauderdale or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people you know respected for their writing, they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate that blank slateness approach to making music and like

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<v Speaker 1>just even writing the other day, like I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like to write the titles. I come in

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<v Speaker 1>and see what I find and what I get to

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a lot a lot of conversation into what's

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<v Speaker 1>the message and what's the feeling and to get what

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say. And I think that you you

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<v Speaker 1>take pieces of everything that's inspired you, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of tend to like to create in the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think maybe that changes at some point, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's always like a weird evolution to the creating.

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<v Speaker 4>I think let's take a quick pause for a message

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<v Speaker 4>from our sponsor, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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<v Speaker 2>Country Star Act two. What's up with the acts? Why

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<v Speaker 2>are they not different records? Like? Really, what is I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what you're why are you doing it like that?

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<v Speaker 2>What's up with all the podcasts? No? I hear you,

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<v Speaker 2>but I label mind different for different reasons. Oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just kidding. I mean I think that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a creative aspect is the act like but also

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<v Speaker 2>the same show, but it's different parts of this act.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's that's what my question about the record is,

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<v Speaker 2>like in your mind creatively, why did you name it

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<v Speaker 2>and separate them like this?

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<v Speaker 1>I had too many songs and to not be a

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<v Speaker 1>big artist. I'm not on country radio. I'm not supported

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<v Speaker 1>by like a lot of the big.

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<v Speaker 2>Big boys here.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean I had a lot of songs and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of creativity, and it's like where do we go?

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that I kind of created this idea

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<v Speaker 1>to show a different side of me in each thing

0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>and to build a world, three different worlds out of

0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:06.719
<v Speaker 1>the different music I make, because that's kind of always

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:10.359
<v Speaker 1>been a thing too. Was that like not was just

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.679
<v Speaker 1>Sam being himself? But Sam's being so himself, like he's

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:17.240
<v Speaker 1>this sounds nothing like this, and we like when he

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:21.520
<v Speaker 1>sings the sad ballads, so why let's do that? And

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:23.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that I was dying to grow and I'd

0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>made songs like no Problem, and then when I had

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 1>written Country Star, I was like, I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>a whole thing, and we gotta, like, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>spread this out and introduce my music to people in

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<v Speaker 1>a few different steps, and you know, get to show

0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.720
<v Speaker 1>them different sides of me, because nobody else is going

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<v Speaker 1>to do it for me. You know, I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>on one moment to launch my career and then do

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<v Speaker 1>everything after. I think, you know, it's just industry's changed.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that with this with Thatt too, truthfully

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<v Speaker 1>and creatively, I'd say the projects kind of revolve around fear, scarlet,

0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 1>lonesome from last year. It's more fear of losing love,

0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:07.199
<v Speaker 1>losing someone, not finding yourself, you know, kind of the

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:09.919
<v Speaker 1>the figuring it out Country Star is more so the

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<v Speaker 1>chaos of you know, fear of failure, fear of not

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<v Speaker 1>being yourself. And you know, I think that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of like chaos and mania that comes with the

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<v Speaker 1>hard parts of life and figuring out who you are

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to do it on purpose. And I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to embrace all the different sides of me, and I

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:33.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of naturally have a tendency to the darkness get

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<v Speaker 1>into my music somewhere when I'm trying not to. So

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:39.520
<v Speaker 1>I think songs like killed a man in Tennessee. That's

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 1>a song that's on Act two. You know, there's there's

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.879
<v Speaker 1>hip hop in it, and I'm singing all over it

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:48.520
<v Speaker 1>and stuff, and it's kind of just me creating something

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<v Speaker 1>new and I'm getting to take ownership of some of

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 1>my story that hasn't fit into the rest of my

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 1>music so far. You know, it's not all sadness that's

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<v Speaker 1>in me, and I think there's a lot of it,

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 1>but people see that on the product. You know what

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:08.679
<v Speaker 1>I put out more than the joyous and kind of

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 1>driven and dreaming side of me, and that gets to

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:11.560
<v Speaker 1>come out here.

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<v Speaker 2>Who are your favorite artists? Oh of all time? You're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna give me guidelines or I just start now. I

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 2>would just say you can even do ages because I

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I think the artist listen to growing up. Yeah, shaped you,

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<v Speaker 2>even if you don't realize they shaped you. I think

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<v Speaker 2>about that because when you say Britney Lucky as a kid,

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<v Speaker 2>I really loved.

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<v Speaker 1>Britney Spears probably early Cheetah Girl stage, loved Chris Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Timberlake for sure. I had the Justin Bieber haircut

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<v Speaker 1>when he came out, and it was it was a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>There was at the flot the bank Flop.

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<v Speaker 1>There was an early jealousy there and I was like,

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:52.120
<v Speaker 1>is he hot? Do I want to be him?

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<v Speaker 2>Like? What is this?

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<v Speaker 1>And I've kind of always you know, I love Justin

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Bieber too. I think I really loved Tyler Childers when

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 1>he'd first kind of come out right before Purgatory and

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 1>after that, and that shaped a lot of my voice

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of at the time, and the writing I was

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:16.959
<v Speaker 1>doing because I think, you know, moving here probably ages

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:21.680
<v Speaker 1>eighteen nineteen twenty, I was just trying to absorb writing

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<v Speaker 1>as well, like try to listen to a Joni Mitchell record.

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I love Laurie McKenna songwriter, like what did her earlier

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<v Speaker 1>song sound like?

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<v Speaker 2>What do people's songs sound like? That never came out.

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to a lot of hip hop music, So

0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think my favorite artist now would definitely

0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>be I'm a Big Barb.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Nicki Minaj.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the creativity, the invention, the determination, and so

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty ten's hip hop Drake, Nicki Wayne, I love Jay Cole.

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<v Speaker 2>But on a.

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<v Speaker 1>Daily basis, I probably am one of those more nostalgialists

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<v Speaker 1>that is listening to like your older favorite songs, me

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:06.960
<v Speaker 1>and my son do a lot of Sean Kingston, old

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Sean Kingston. I throw in some random Hank Williams sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>just to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Try to teach him to get it in there, teach

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<v Speaker 2>him music about who great grandpa was.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean he has plenty of questions. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Hanky talkin is the song on Act two

0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>that's coming out or that you did with Yeah, I'm singing.

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<v Speaker 2>With my grandpa. I did it. Yeah, we were in

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<v Speaker 2>the studio. Yeah. I don't know how to refer to him,

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<v Speaker 2>your grandpa or Hank. Yes, yeah, I mean because I

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<v Speaker 2>watched you. I watched you the announcement of you talking

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 2>about it, and I've seen some stuff where you're like, hey,

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do this. Was that emotional at all?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it would be for me, you know, if it

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 1>does well, probably, But I mean I've done some stuff

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 1>of I covered I'm So Lonesome I could cry, And

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 1>that was really really special to do because it was

0:29:56.720 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 1>very reimagined and new chords to it, kind of a

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 1>new thing and honky Tonking I wanted to do something

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 1>fun and exciting and have another record on Act two

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 1>that you know, ties pieces of my story together. There's

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 1>just a lot there, and I want to do something

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:17.720
<v Speaker 1>that was kind of campy and that was fun and

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<v Speaker 1>not you know, I'm not trying to have a songwriting

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 1>exercise competition here, and I do that too much. I

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>want to do the perfect little anecdote, you know. And

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 1>it actually wrote a couple of different versions of Honky

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Tonkin and came to one that just felt like the

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 1>perfect amount of quirkiness and polish, but you know, also

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 1>just fun. And the tag and the pedal steel feels

0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>so so so long ago, so seventy five years ago,

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 1>and it also sounds like, you know, the music being

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 1>made nowadays.

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 2>And uh.

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<v Speaker 1>With I think with my kid, my son, with Hank Senior,

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 1>he has more questions about did pop pop sing the

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:00.480
<v Speaker 1>national anthem at super this?

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 2>You know a little bit more of that? And pop

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>pops your dad, yeah, which is his grandfather.

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:09.720
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, my dad goes pop pop for most grandkids. So,

0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he has many questions, but it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to understand for him. I think there's a lot

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>of loss in my family and there has been from

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 1>a long time before me and a lot since me.

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:23.720
<v Speaker 1>So I think it's you know, it's probably a lot

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 1>to take in, you know. I mean, my dad was

0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 1>on Post Malone's album.

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 2>That was the.

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Coolest thing ever to him. You know, He's like, did

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>they what did they do? I'm like, I don't think

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 1>they met. He's got a pretty cool name. Yeah, but

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean I think that, you know, he does a

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 1>great job with it. I think I did. I do

0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:43.239
<v Speaker 1>pretty great with it.

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Now. It's a lot of pressure. But as a kid,

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 2>it was like type in on Google. It was scary,

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 2>did you Yeah, I guess you could find out stuff

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 2>on Google. Yeah.

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Google was around, and I guess two thousand and seven

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>I was ten. Yeah one Google. I was like, how

0:31:56.400 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 1>many results? No, you're Tennyson? Yes, what's where's the name

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 1>come from?

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 2>It's actually a writer, Alfred Lord Tennyson.

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 1>He's a British poet a long time ago with the

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Lightning Brigade.

0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 1>So I think I was trying to have him pass

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>at the Supreme Court Justice test, like is it that interesting?

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:23.720
<v Speaker 2>You know? Do you want him to do music? No?

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:27.120
<v Speaker 1>I think he could be great probably anything he'd like

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 1>to do, and he may want to.

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 2>But do you think your dad felt exactly the same

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 2>way about you. Yeah, yeah, And now do you understand.

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:36.720
<v Speaker 1>My dad used to say he's going to be a

0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 1>senator all the time.

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Never had the desire to be a senator.

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I did, though, you did, Yeah, I sure did. I

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 1>totally wanted to do that.

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Why, well, it's not like past tense. You still can't

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 2>do it. You're still very young. But why I guess

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 2>nowadays you can do whatever you want. Did you just

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 2>say it and then you can do it? Boom? Yeah?

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 2>So you still maybe want to do politics. I don't know.

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it depends on how I look at thirty nine.

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>If it's really given politics, if it's really given like

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 1>thirty nine, if it's given like House of Representatives, yeah,

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>and microphone in suits and tailored suits, then if we

0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>might just have to do it. You like being on stage, yeah, me,

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 1>And I like when people know what they're talking about.

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't like when people have no idea what they're

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>talking about.

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand.

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Keep going like you know, everybody has a microphone and

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>platform a lot nowadays, there's a there's an oversaturation to it.

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 1>And that's in more than just you know, commentary, it's

0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>in everything. I don't think it would have worked out though.

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>If I would have been a senator, my dad would

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 1>have been really mad if it would have worked out.

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Because it doesn't align. Yeah, it would.

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>It would have just been a disconnect. It would have

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 1>been like, you know, storm the Capitol. It would I

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know, yeah, I feel yeah.

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 2>How many shows are you doing? Now? Are you playing

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 2>a bunch this summer?

0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 1>It has been like CMA Fest just happened to me,

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 1>really really busy. I just had to operat the other night,

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of last minute, and trying to plan some stuff

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 1>around the album coming out. But the rest of the

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 1>year is a little bit open right now, and it's

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:14.239
<v Speaker 1>figuring out the rest of music everything just that I'm

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 1>working on. And I'd really love to get a tour

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 1>for the end of this year, but I don't have

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 1>anything announced right now.

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Where do you feel you can be the most creative,

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 2>And I'll give you an example. Mine is setting. Mine

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 2>is a shower because I have no phone. I would,

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 2>but it get wet so I can't. I do all

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:32.880
<v Speaker 2>my glasses on and it's like the only time and

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.920
<v Speaker 2>only space I have where really nothing can get to me,

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 2>and it's where my mind is the freest, and I'll

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 2>and I come up with more mostly bad ideas, but

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:45.120
<v Speaker 2>every once in a while one it's pretty good, Like

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 2>mine is the shower. That's where I'm probably inspired the most.

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:50.319
<v Speaker 2>Where is it for you?

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think the most to to just songwriting, and

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm just on the ground, Like I write pen and paper,

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 1>so or highlighter and paper?

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:01.320
<v Speaker 2>You still write? Yeah? Yeah, I say still you probably

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 2>always written pin of paper? Then huh yep? Why why

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 2>not a laptop? Why not your phone? I don't know.

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, I like to make like it's just about placement.

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:10.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm a visual learner.

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I have to make a whole like it's just I

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 1>don't know how to describe it. But if I'm writing

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:17.799
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of words, I don't know if I'm

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:19.480
<v Speaker 1>going to use these words or what they mean. Like

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.239
<v Speaker 1>I gotta make like a bubble type map and look

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.880
<v Speaker 1>at them and figure out how I'm putting them together

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 1>and what is what am I actually saying? But that's

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 1>to do with music though, like actual good ideas for life,

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea where I think of those that

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to figure out.

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 3>The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Bobby cast.

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Can you write by schedule meaning I'm gonna write ten

0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:56.880
<v Speaker 2>am tomorrow and at ten am you sit down, you write,

0:35:57.880 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 2>not alone?

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:02.879
<v Speaker 1>No, I mean co writes all the time, so like, yeah,

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 1>it's my job.

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 2>But scheduled writing with others. But if it it's just yourself,

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:08.359
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't do as well.

0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 1>No, it'd be more when am I like actually, aha,

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 1>you know I think by myself it would just.

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Feel more, feel more forced.

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 1>It's like you need to have this piece of content

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:21.359
<v Speaker 1>up at this time blah blah blah, and you need

0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:22.239
<v Speaker 1>to feel like this in it.

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:25.240
<v Speaker 2>You know. Do you feel the constant pressure to constantly

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 2>produce content you don't understand? Yeah, oh I'm sure you do.

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:34.080
<v Speaker 1>But when you're when you haven't had like big moments yet,

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:36.359
<v Speaker 1>like it's just this is just a different thing now.

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:39.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's not all about the just making music anymore.

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 1>It's about what are you? And believe me, like I

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I do my best to be me as as I can,

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:49.880
<v Speaker 1>but you know, you got to be very out there.

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Some of my friends like are the big like Lana fans.

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 1>They're like, oh my gosh, dude, if Lana had to

0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 1>come out now with like everything that we do. I

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:01.759
<v Speaker 1>don't think she would have won to keep at it

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:03.319
<v Speaker 1>for long enough to become.

0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Like a legend. You know. It's just it's just kind

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 2>of staying the course. What are you gonna do?

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm always complaining my managers, like, are you just gonna

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:09.480
<v Speaker 1>give up?

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Sam? You're gonna give.

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.399
<v Speaker 1>Up because your video, you know, it's just a lot

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:15.799
<v Speaker 1>bigger than that. But uh, we get bogged down with

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the stuff now. But it's like, it's

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>just the noise.

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Do you feel I guess there are a couple of

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 2>ways you can feel about this At times. I know

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 2>that I feel annoyed if I have something I'm really

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:26.600
<v Speaker 2>happy with and proud of in a post and it

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 2>doesn't do anything, and that can be frustrating. It could

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:31.239
<v Speaker 2>be very frustrating. Like I put a lot of work,

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot of time, a lot of effort. I'm like, man,

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I think this should really do well, and it doesn't.

0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 2>That's frustrating. Oh yeah it is. But then there are

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:39.359
<v Speaker 2>times where I do the stupidest thing and it's like, oh, look, Dawn,

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 2>it's got one point one million stupid views and that's

0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 2>cool and all. But I'm like, I really there's the

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:47.839
<v Speaker 2>stuff I want to matter, Yeah, matter, do I get frustrated?

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Probably it's like always the thing that you're looking forward

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:54.840
<v Speaker 1>to that you worked too to like announce or like do,

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 1>and it's like mmm, yeah, you know that is definitely

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 1>for us trading. But I mean, I don't know, it's

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:04.360
<v Speaker 1>like what are you gonna do? I think we, me

0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:06.400
<v Speaker 1>and my team probably have conversations like this all the

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:09.840
<v Speaker 1>time because I want to give people, you know, different

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.880
<v Speaker 1>worlds of music, different sounds, different looks.

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm really in tune with my fashion and image and

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:20.359
<v Speaker 1>what am I saying and how does it?

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:20.680
<v Speaker 2>You know?

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:25.359
<v Speaker 1>And I think that it's just so damn fast now

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 1>that like a lot of that doesn't even catch up

0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:30.600
<v Speaker 1>with people. It's just a different time. I think the

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:33.359
<v Speaker 1>people that are amazing at it, I'm like astounded by,

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 1>like how do you do this?

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Like just never miss a beat? In a way.

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:41.279
<v Speaker 1>I've been really proud of Dasha, you know. I mean

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Dasha's one song. I knew Dasha a little bit before,

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, before the song, and her whole life is

0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:52.879
<v Speaker 1>like you know, craziness now and it's and it's it's

0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:56.279
<v Speaker 1>running with it and she's done a really awesome job

0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 1>at it, and I think that a lot of people

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>don't get credit for when you do get something and

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:03.560
<v Speaker 1>you got to handle your whole life, you know, from there.

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think where part would be frustrating

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.920
<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't pop. What you just said there is

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of the hope is that there really isn't like

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 2>a single gatekeeper anymore, and anything could pop off at

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:20.320
<v Speaker 2>any time. Literally, Yeah, and your life could be changed

0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 2>in three days because something catches and it spreads and

0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 2>then there's the spotlight on you by the people that

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.759
<v Speaker 2>want to invest in you. And yeah, I really could

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:32.800
<v Speaker 2>all change like that, and the only way to actually

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 2>make it change is to keep working. Yeah.

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that, you know, I probably, like

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:43.839
<v Speaker 1>everyone else, sometimes let the fear and that anything else

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:47.680
<v Speaker 1>get in the way of, you know, trying to subscribe

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 1>to that. I think adding Honky talking to my project

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm gonna do something fun and it's my

0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:56.440
<v Speaker 1>legacy and I'm gonna say stuff that they're gonna be

0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:59.200
<v Speaker 1>like why did he even say that? Just because that's

0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:02.279
<v Speaker 1>just how I am. And you know, that was like

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 1>a fun thing to add to this. And I have

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:09.319
<v Speaker 1>another album coming out after and it's like, yeah, I

0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 1>may not be the best at making tiktoks all the

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 1>time and like trying to make them swaggy or sexy

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:17.880
<v Speaker 1>or like so funny ha ha.

0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:20.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm just not really like that. I don't know.

0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't find the time of the day too. I

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:24.319
<v Speaker 1>guess I'm busy and it's just a new thing. I

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of feel old like trying to get it and

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:26.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not.

0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:28.680
<v Speaker 2>But I do.

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 1>I know I'm good at the making music and the

0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 1>telling a story and you know, making taking somewhere someone

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 1>somewhere different when they're listening, you know. So I mean

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe maybe this will maybe this will blow

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:42.680
<v Speaker 1>over in a couple of years.

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think it is. It's still in the fashion.

0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, power rank your favorite brands, your favorite brands, Yeah,

0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:52.400
<v Speaker 2>I'll go, I'll match you one for one, Okay.

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:55.959
<v Speaker 1>I mean I have like cheap favorite brands too. Back

0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:56.880
<v Speaker 1>into old Navy again.

0:40:56.960 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 2>But if I were to say you get five unlimited

0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:03.959
<v Speaker 2>for a whole day, what brand do you go to first?

0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 2>It could be any brand, any clothing brand. I wear a.

0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:11.520
<v Speaker 1>Lot of fix clothing. It's in London. These are fixed

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 1>the g Yeah, probably this shirt too.

0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 2>These are like a.

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Rolling Stones collection. Okay, I'm gonna think of right now today.

0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:21.359
<v Speaker 2>I want like one store you get to go into

0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:24.440
<v Speaker 2>any store and have everything you want, because for me,

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.239
<v Speaker 2>it's probably like Bottega. Okay, that's probably my number one.

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't have anything from there, but I would go

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 1>to Christian Dior because I like the vibe.

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:36.160
<v Speaker 2>And the resale is crazy. You have the saddle bags.

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I just I've always wanted one of those.

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<v Speaker 1>I've gone in there and looked at one so many times, no,

0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 1>and I was not getting it.

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Just to recheck it real quick, like the dude saddle bags, Yeah, yeah,

0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:46.879
<v Speaker 2>they're awesome.

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:49.279
<v Speaker 1>And just the little ones. I just kind of like them. Yeah,

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:51.680
<v Speaker 1>and then I'm gonna I'm gonna put in a dumb

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:56.359
<v Speaker 1>one and say, uh, Tractor Supply because there's so much

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 1>I could get in there and have someone help me

0:41:58.480 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 1>put at my house or Tracked.

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:02.560
<v Speaker 2>What Supplies fun is they have everything people do. It's

0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 2>like if they don't know, they don't know it's not

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 2>a tractor store track and I Supply has everything they do. Yeah,

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 2>it's like you're going into Kmart. There's a little bit

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 2>of everything.

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 1>And I just like their corny southern kind of like

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 1>stuff out there. I'm like, oh, this windmill with a cow,

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:19.240
<v Speaker 1>love it.

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:21.279
<v Speaker 2>It does have cracker barrel vibes and part of it. Well,

0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:22.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm just in that era of my life.

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:24.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure one day, if i'm you know, rich and

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:27.239
<v Speaker 1>have something else, I want my house to look like

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:28.200
<v Speaker 1>this lion out here.

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 2>But for right now, you don't want the lion. Yeah,

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:32.600
<v Speaker 2>you get a plastic one. Don't have to worry about

0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:33.360
<v Speaker 2>how I have you that thing is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think I could use some accessories,

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:39.799
<v Speaker 1>so I'm gonna go Swarowski.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to like that as a kid.

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I used to always get like a pen and

0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 1>I was obsessed with my pen, like you know. Yeah yeah,

0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:51.320
<v Speaker 1>And I'm blanking kind of so much today.

0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:57.879
<v Speaker 2>But I've never had anything from Marnie. Yeah, so that'd

0:42:57.920 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 2>be fun to go look at. I guess I had

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.280
<v Speaker 2>a couple of coalies from Marnie.

0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, see, I'd want some of those those fuzzy

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 1>ones that I'm never washing. I'm never even put them

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:11.920
<v Speaker 1>somewhere for someone to get clean. I'm really bad at laundry.

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:13.640
<v Speaker 2>You send it the dry cleaner though. That's why I

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:15.439
<v Speaker 2>do anything that I'm scared of it, like getting messed

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 2>up right to the dry cleaner. I take it off

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:18.880
<v Speaker 2>right when I get home, hang it right back up

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 2>because I don't want to have to send it to

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:24.360
<v Speaker 2>be cleaned at all, because it loses like generations of wear. Yeah,

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:25.840
<v Speaker 2>but then every once in a while you got to

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:26.319
<v Speaker 2>send it in.

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I was in a rush here and didn't know what

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna wear. Was calling somebody and my son's

0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:33.920
<v Speaker 1>in the car. My son's in the car, and he

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:36.719
<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, and I'd like to wear this old

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>navy blue and white kind of floral jacket with blue

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:42.040
<v Speaker 1>and white Versace sneakers. And he had it all together

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:44.800
<v Speaker 1>and he was like this and this, are you gonna

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 1>wear that? I was like, no, I'm not. I'm sorry,

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:49.000
<v Speaker 1>but it is good.

0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Talk to me for a second about Versace. It's just

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:55.400
<v Speaker 2>too loud for me. Most of stuff from Versace I

0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't like.

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:59.640
<v Speaker 1>But like one thing like I have, like sneakers, like

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:03.080
<v Speaker 1>all see that I really love. But if it was

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:06.440
<v Speaker 1>like print, you know, I think they make more. They

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:09.080
<v Speaker 1>make more beautiful, interesting stuff. I think the fashion house

0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:13.240
<v Speaker 1>is more it's it's more women. You know, Versace's men's

0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:16.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff isn't as strong as the as the women's and

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 1>the accessories.

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I need to be selling cocaine Miami.

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:21.879
<v Speaker 2>They need to be me if I'm worry Versace. Yeah,

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:23.680
<v Speaker 2>if I'm warning men's Versaca, I need to be like

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 2>on a jet boat selling cocaine.

0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Or like twenty fifteen in the Migos.

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Though fair enough so too, but I'm not that like me.

0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm not. Well, look, I'm super pumped for you. Why'd

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:36.239
<v Speaker 2>you put Hockey Talking out last? Though? Of all these

0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:39.280
<v Speaker 2>songs in this project? Actually, I mean I made it last,

0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 2>and that makes all the sense.

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Then hopefully you know, it's just be save the biggest

0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:47.680
<v Speaker 1>bang for last. Yeah, I guess, And you know, I

0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 1>mean I want to get all my videos done for

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:53.440
<v Speaker 1>the project and everything and let people rock with stuff.

0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Putting Country Star out first was definitely like I wanted

0:44:57.000 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 1>to make it clear this is a new thing and

0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:02.359
<v Speaker 1>get people to see that it's a you know, kind

0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:04.880
<v Speaker 1>of a new world of music for Acto with Country

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:07.279
<v Speaker 1>Star first, And I think Hockey Talking is just like

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the nice bow to it to me was.

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:13.560
<v Speaker 2>That the most is that well, because it hasn't out

0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:15.080
<v Speaker 2>yet as we're talking about it, but it will be

0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 2>by the time we're talking about it, So I guess

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about it in present tents like it's already out,

0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:21.279
<v Speaker 2>all right, I bet? Yeah? There are you with me? Yeah,

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:21.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm there?

0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:21.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Was this the most excited you wear of any

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:27.879
<v Speaker 2>of the songs to come out this project? I am

0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:29.359
<v Speaker 2>really really excited about it.

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I was really excited about Country Star too, because I

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 1>was like, yes, like I need people.

0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 2>To hear this. We named the whole thing after it. Yeah,

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, it's just it's just the world

0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 2>of it.

0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 1>But I think that this probably is the most exciting

0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:45.080
<v Speaker 1>because people love it or hate it.

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:46.160
<v Speaker 2>And I already know that.

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not even looking at the comment stuff yet, but

0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:51.200
<v Speaker 1>like people love it and they're like, I love this

0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:55.600
<v Speaker 1>creativity of this kid and like doing something brand new

0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:58.520
<v Speaker 1>with something big that was put on him and doing

0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:00.440
<v Speaker 1>a good job of it. And some people are going

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:03.239
<v Speaker 1>to be like hire arms rolling in the grave, you know,

0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 1>and that's uh, that's okay. It's okay because I had

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:10.719
<v Speaker 1>fun with it, and the people that rock with me,

0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I think that they know it's a it's a.

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:14.799
<v Speaker 2>Super fun record. I'll tell you that. It's a hello

0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:17.440
<v Speaker 2>all right, I'm gonna tell him he probably doesn't even

0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 2>remember that day. No, it wasn't like a very eventful day.

0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:22.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it wasn't like both of us left going

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:26.600
<v Speaker 2>what a crazy day that was. I think the virility

0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:29.359
<v Speaker 2>of that video ended up being bigger to me than

0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:32.120
<v Speaker 2>I ever expected it, because it wasn't like some crazy moment.

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:35.799
<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, I tank he wants to go

0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:38.680
<v Speaker 2>all right, He's got a big personality. That's his big personality.

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:39.799
<v Speaker 2>That's really how I felt about it.

0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:43.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've just been that. I've been around that

0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:46.880
<v Speaker 1>for twenty eight years, so like I'm just I don't know.

0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:48.239
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think anything of it.

0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, tell him, I sai Hello, okay, I'm sure will.

0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I've never been less of a fan because of it,

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 2>and people have asked that and it gets brought up occasionally,

0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:56.880
<v Speaker 2>because that thing just continues to like live lives and

0:46:56.920 --> 0:46:58.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm like love him just as much.

0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:01.040
<v Speaker 1>As say, hey, Bobby Bone said, you know, you're welcome

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and if you can have a cigar, if you want one.

0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 2>You can have one anytime you want around me, have

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:09.359
<v Speaker 2>no problem with bring your own. Yes, yeah, Sam, good

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:11.239
<v Speaker 2>to me, you man, Thank you so much, Bobby, thank you.

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:13.960
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm not crazy. Your name it's a V

0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:17.279
<v Speaker 2>in Williams right and on Instagram? Yeah, yeah, it's V

0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:20.840
<v Speaker 2>in place of a A. Yeah, why'd you do that? Honestly,

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:21.200
<v Speaker 2>it was.

0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:23.960
<v Speaker 1>A long time ago when I made that account of

0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 1>the account, and uh, it just felt cool to me.

0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 2>And me and my half brother Shelton aren't close.

0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:32.759
<v Speaker 1>He's not close with a lot, and you know, I'm

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:36.520
<v Speaker 1>we're the same generation, except he's definitely a generation older

0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:39.560
<v Speaker 1>than me. But technically, you know, we're both my dad's sons.

0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 1>And I think it met something like that to me then,

0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:43.680
<v Speaker 1>But that's just how it is. So if I need

0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:46.200
<v Speaker 1>to change my Instagram name, have.

0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:47.840
<v Speaker 2>They told you to change the V to the A

0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:49.439
<v Speaker 2>so people can find you? I don't care.

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:51.640
<v Speaker 1>They should just see my face and be like, oh,

0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 1>that's the guy.

0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's clearly the guy. Times that pictures really little though,

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:57.319
<v Speaker 2>because when I was letting up all your stuff, I

0:47:57.360 --> 0:47:58.920
<v Speaker 2>was like, is this him with a V on it?

0:47:59.000 --> 0:47:59.719
<v Speaker 2>So then I had to go in.

0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I said, I gotta be in black and white. Congratulations

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:05.680
<v Speaker 1>on the record, Thank you so much. Man, you feel

0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:06.759
<v Speaker 1>good about it, like that's the win.

0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I need people to to rock

0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:13.400
<v Speaker 1>with me and stream it, but it's about also finding

0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:16.080
<v Speaker 1>your audience. It wasn't easy for me here to not

0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:19.200
<v Speaker 1>be the same cut of cloth. That's the that's the

0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:21.200
<v Speaker 1>more accepted deal.

0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 2>That's the deal.

0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:26.880
<v Speaker 1>So you know it's risky, but uh, you know, hopefully

0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:28.680
<v Speaker 1>worthwhile in the long run.

0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Sam Williams with a V on Instagram. Sam Williams, Where

0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:37.800
<v Speaker 2>the AA is so, Sam Wilm, Sam, good to see you, buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production