Speaker 1: I'm glad that you know, I was given my own name.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a Hank the fourth or something like that.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that my dad and probably wouldn't have
Speaker 1: wanted me to go into music at all.
Speaker 2: This episode is with Sam Williams. Sam is Hank Williams
Speaker 2: junior son, so that makes Hank william Senior his grandpa.
Speaker 2: And I really wasn't going to bring up the dad
Speaker 2: thing that Hank Williams Junior him leaving the studio. I
Speaker 2: wasn't going to bring it up, especially upfront in the interview,
Speaker 2: maybe not at all, because I never want the kid
Speaker 2: of an artist to feel like that's the only reason
Speaker 2: we're talking to them. So I was relieved when he
Speaker 2: brought it up, immediately got ready to do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: To him, I think he was like, well, we're probably
Speaker 2: gonna talk about this, so let's just jump right in.
Speaker 2: So I had never met Sam before at two Country
Speaker 2: Star is out now. It came out July eleventh, so
Speaker 2: go check it out, go stream it. It's got seven
Speaker 2: tracks on it, and we talk about all of it,
Speaker 2: talk about his grandpa, talking about his dad, talk about
Speaker 2: his career, why it's different, what it was like growing
Speaker 2: up as Hank Junior son, all of that here with
Speaker 2: Sam Williams. By the way, his Instagram is Sam Williams,
Speaker 2: except it's spelled with a V not an A, so
Speaker 2: it looks like Sam will of Them's. Yeah, we'll put
Speaker 2: it in the episode notes. You can bind it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's hard to explain here he is Sam Williams. Sam,
Speaker 2: it is nice to meet you, man. Nice to meet
Speaker 2: you too. This is amazing. I don't think we met
Speaker 2: no a lot of times in this town. As you'll
Speaker 2: probably back me up on this, you meet people very
Speaker 2: quickly and you don't remember meeting them because it's like
Speaker 2: six seconds. And sometimes I'll be like, hey, nice to
Speaker 2: meet you, and they're like, oh, we've we met once,
Speaker 2: or you know of or know what they're known for. Well,
Speaker 2: I know of you and yeah what you're known for? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I know your music, but we've never met. I
Speaker 2: don't think.
Speaker 1: Well, I've always been familiar with you in a way,
Speaker 1: you know, not super close, but I know my dad
Speaker 1: on your podcast.
Speaker 2: I was familiar with that when he walked down of
Speaker 2: the show. Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the world sending this to me, They're like.
Speaker 2: Did you see. I know you're busy. Did you see
Speaker 2: your dad did this week? I'm like, I'm sure he did,
Speaker 2: you know, And I respected it, and I've talked about
Speaker 2: it a couple of times since because all my friends
Speaker 2: sent it to me. And in the moment, I didn't
Speaker 2: think much of it. Meaning people come in, your dad
Speaker 2: obviously very famous. I didn't realize he wanted to smoke
Speaker 2: a cigar, like. I didn't know the real reason. So
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought this up, because I may have
Speaker 2: never even brought this up. Your dad, who I grew
Speaker 2: up listening to because my grandmother was a massive fan,
Speaker 2: and so I grew up listened to your dad and
Speaker 2: he was coming. I was like, great, it was him,
Speaker 2: And it was one of the guys of Black Keys
Speaker 2: who was producing the record, Dan, Yeah, Dan already, And
Speaker 2: so they came in and your dad just had a
Speaker 2: big personality about him, and I was like, classic Hank
Speaker 2: Hank Junior, deep breath, yeah, and he was on. But
Speaker 2: I'm okay, like I'm up for it. Yeah, And so
Speaker 2: We're kind of going back and forth, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is the game. I'm totally in. I didn't realize
Speaker 2: somebody told him he couldn't smoke a cigar in the building,
Speaker 2: and that's why he was ready to get out of there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was just like one sentence that that
Speaker 1: damaged everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, happens sometimes people.
Speaker 1: For me, sometimes people just do things though they can,
Speaker 1: they just do things. And he is one of those
Speaker 1: people that just does things, and wanting to smoke a
Speaker 1: cigar and not getting to is probably one of them.
Speaker 1: But I guess apologies on his behalf. But that's that's
Speaker 1: the icon stuff.
Speaker 2: I thought, that's pretty cool. That's honestly what I thought.
Speaker 2: Because I didn't. I also didn't back down, But it
Speaker 2: wasn't like I didn't feel like we're fighting. It just
Speaker 2: felt like we're both like, all right, well, if this
Speaker 2: is ain't right, we'll just go on to the next thing.
Speaker 1: Well, I think he's unfamiliar with like this environment of
Speaker 1: like doing this type of thing. It was a long
Speaker 1: time ago that he was more doing that and you know,
Speaker 1: used to doing whatever he wants. He would rather be
Speaker 1: in a deer stand or like something like that, planning
Speaker 1: where to hunt bear in Minnesota. But but yeah, everybody
Speaker 1: would send that to me, be like have you seen this?
Speaker 2: I'm like yes, that's so funny. It was really one
Speaker 2: of my favorite moments last like ten years or so
Speaker 2: because it was real.
Speaker 1: It was absolutely there's a lot that's not real, and
Speaker 1: at least that that's a real moment.
Speaker 2: Right, And it never felt like honestly angry, like I
Speaker 2: think both of us were just like, all right, cool,
Speaker 2: I mean you you can go.
Speaker 1: Oh and he got the joke in about the how
Speaker 1: this there's this much left on a cigar that Uncle
Speaker 1: Harold used to say, that's like an ism, you know,
Speaker 1: that's like always.
Speaker 2: So that's at least a few quotables. I'm glad you
Speaker 2: brought that up because I may have forgotten all about that.
Speaker 2: It is, well, you walked in, you're mitching the lion.
Speaker 2: We have these lions like where when you walk in there,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you touched one of them. I
Speaker 2: did not. I didn't know if that was well they don't.
Speaker 2: They're not like super valuable or anything, but we have
Speaker 2: these lions by our pool and they're probably five feet taller.
Speaker 2: So we ordered them. We went to one of these
Speaker 2: websites and it was like they'll deliver it from Atlanta
Speaker 2: and my wife one of these lions and they were like,
Speaker 2: they're three hundred pounds each. And so I remember it
Speaker 2: was my birthday and there were a few of us
Speaker 2: over at the house and they delivered these two lions
Speaker 2: that are three hundred pounds each. I bet you they
Speaker 2: weigh a thousand pounds. We couldn't get him out of
Speaker 2: the truck. The poor guy who delivered them was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. Like we took us
Speaker 2: like a mike what an hour hour and a half
Speaker 2: at least we had to. We couldn't even get them
Speaker 2: back here. We rolled them out of the truck into
Speaker 2: the yard and left them for a week. Like they're
Speaker 2: that heavy.
Speaker 1: You had to get like a whole dolly situation to
Speaker 1: get it back.
Speaker 2: We had a dollie. We broke the dollie. We had
Speaker 2: to hire people, oh my gosh, to come and bring
Speaker 2: those lines. So thank you for at least acknowledging those lions.
Speaker 2: Oh they're the whole vibe.
Speaker 1: They're like they're over they're overlooking the pool.
Speaker 2: They are and that is basically a thousand pounds crazy. Uh. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you why I like you and why
Speaker 2: I've always well, I've known who you are why I'm
Speaker 2: fond of what you do, mostly because of how you
Speaker 2: do it. Meaning I've always been given crap since my
Speaker 2: arrival in Nashville because I don't really look like I
Speaker 2: was supposed to look, meaning especially when I got here.
Speaker 2: No belt buckle, no cowboy hat. Yeah, and even though
Speaker 2: I'm from Arkansas and spent a lot of my life
Speaker 2: moving around and trailer park, like I was like like
Speaker 2: white trash, redneck country, but I wasn't cowboy and that
Speaker 2: wasn't considered real. And I'm in cardigans and I'm wearing
Speaker 2: nice tennis shoes and they're like, well, yeah, you're not
Speaker 2: country spectacles. Yeah, nerdy, great point, Thank for minum I
Speaker 2: and nerdia nerdy glasses. But I think that's also I
Speaker 2: think what I've been drawn to about what you do
Speaker 2: is you kind of and I mean this in a
Speaker 2: complimenty well you kind of don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: natural for me. I don't really care. I mean I
Speaker 1: think that I have plenty of insecurities that show their
Speaker 1: face all the time. But I mean, even you, like
Speaker 1: you're sneakers right here. These are Louis Vuitton off white Nike.
Speaker 1: It's a whole filing like you knowing that and like
Speaker 1: you've made that cool people. What's his name, Jesse Frasier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his shoes are crazy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So it's like a cool thing now. So I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, the more people get to like what they like,
Speaker 1: because liking stuff is cool, and doing stuff is cool,
Speaker 1: and being yourself is cool, you know, uh, it becomes
Speaker 1: a little bit more normalized. But I think that sometimes
Speaker 1: I have to you know, know that I'm going against
Speaker 1: the grain, But a lot of the time I just
Speaker 1: can't help it.
Speaker 2: It's just I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna do what I want to do, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do my damn dist you know, to do it well.
Speaker 1: And you know, I was never I was never gonna
Speaker 1: fit in the preconceived boxes and you know, and image
Speaker 1: of what is the Nashville standard, and you know, as
Speaker 1: you're saying so in music and definitely with my legacy,
Speaker 1: it's it's completely you know.
Speaker 2: Compounded by that.
Speaker 1: But that's why I think I kind of have no
Speaker 1: choice but to just be exactly myself.
Speaker 2: Well, you have the pressure and I and the bonus
Speaker 2: of a legacy, right like that, It's not just amazing
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of it is cool, but there's
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure to the legacy, like things that
Speaker 2: people will compare you to unfairly even if you don't
Speaker 2: ask for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you ever think about not using the name? No,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that it'd be fun. I make
Speaker 1: plenty of jokes all the time about what would my
Speaker 1: stage name do? But I mean it's authentics, no gimmicks,
Speaker 1: It's just my name. And I'm glad that you know,
Speaker 1: I was given my own name. I wasn't a Hank
Speaker 1: the fourth or something like that. And I'm sure that
Speaker 1: my dad and probably wouldn't have wanted me to go into.
Speaker 2: Music at all. He would rather do not. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure his mom, Audrey. I've never met Audrey.
Speaker 1: She died twenty some years before I was born. I'm
Speaker 1: sure she would have made sure that I was in music.
Speaker 1: That I would have been learning, you know stuff when
Speaker 1: I was little. So, I mean I kind of came
Speaker 1: to not with much musical background. You know, my dad's
Speaker 1: a whistler at home, a whistler talk about the weather
Speaker 1: going down the road home, and you know, not playing records,
Speaker 1: and this is what I love, you know, not like
Speaker 1: me and my kid in the car necessarily at all.
Speaker 1: So I think that it was like a scary thing
Speaker 1: for me for a long time of if this is
Speaker 1: something I wanted to do, what would it look like
Speaker 1: for me?
Speaker 2: I like Britney Spears and Justin Bieber and JT.
Speaker 1: You know, so as a kid, I think it was
Speaker 1: something I very much shot away from. And then later
Speaker 1: on it just kind of made sense. You know, for
Speaker 1: a while, it doesn't. You don't know what you're doing
Speaker 1: and you're doing something, and then you know, I think
Speaker 1: just over the past couple of years, it's kind of
Speaker 1: just all fell in line for me, like I get
Speaker 1: it now. I get what I'm supposed to do and
Speaker 1: like how to do it and it and it feels good,
Speaker 1: you know. I think that a lot of people probably
Speaker 1: like me as a writer, you write the most sad
Speaker 1: music first, I mean, you just out the gate with
Speaker 1: it because it's like dying to get out in a way.
Speaker 1: And with the new project, I'm definitely able to be
Speaker 1: able to have fun with my music for one of
Speaker 1: the first times. Kind of similar, I think, and I've
Speaker 1: kind of realized to my dad in the in the
Speaker 1: seventies and into the eighties of not wanting. He would
Speaker 1: always reference not wanting to sing those old sad songs,
Speaker 1: you know, in many things and feeling Better even, which
Speaker 1: is one of my favorites. And then the sound kind
Speaker 1: of changed and there was a more of a pride
Speaker 1: and a joy to the raucousness to the music.
Speaker 2: Yeah that it changed too for him, Yeah, yeah, big time.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean The Mountain Fall did that too. But
Speaker 1: uh yeah, you know, all my reinvention comes from Hayting Junior,
Speaker 1: not all of it, but I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: I had to. I was very adamant about writing all
Speaker 1: my songs, writing all my music and it being something unique.
Speaker 1: So if somebody didn't like it or they wanted to
Speaker 1: take power from me because they didn't like what I
Speaker 1: was doing, that it was still something very real, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think that's always been my thing, and who
Speaker 1: knows where my career's going, but like, I always have
Speaker 1: that to fall back on. And I think with this project,
Speaker 1: I'm really having fun with it and been able to,
Speaker 1: you know, really open it up, and I'm just trying to.
Speaker 1: I'm knocking on the ceiling, you know. I feel like
Speaker 1: with each thing that I do. So I'm trying to
Speaker 1: that Jelly Roll intro is cool. Yes, yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 1: one the documentary we did together.
Speaker 2: It's super cool.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I saw him the opry at the Rhyman like years ago.
Speaker 1: He was there with Ernest and friends with Ernest, and
Speaker 1: he yelled at me and he's like.
Speaker 2: Hey, Sambo, when we gonna do that record?
Speaker 1: Man? And I didn't really think anything of it. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, man, Jelly Roll, he's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should have done that.
Speaker 1: I still want to, but I've actually, you know, it
Speaker 1: is a crazy thing what's happened with Jelly Roll. And
Speaker 1: one of the you know, one of the really cool
Speaker 1: things about it is that a lot of it is
Speaker 1: from an authenticity that he does talk about all the
Speaker 1: dark stuff and what he came from, even if he's
Speaker 1: doing something different.
Speaker 2: Now. I was watching your TikTok where you're playing Jelly
Speaker 2: talking about you and you're like, this is my intro?
Speaker 2: Did you rehearsal? Yeah? Yeah, you're kind of sitting there
Speaker 2: playing where did that come from? As in, did you
Speaker 2: lead him somewhere to say that? Did you say? Like what?
Speaker 1: I didn't even meet I've never met him since years ago.
Speaker 1: We were in the same documentary called Rebel Country that's
Speaker 1: like going somewhere, and I think it was about the
Speaker 1: artists featured in it. What do they represent about being
Speaker 1: a rebel in country or what does that mean? And
Speaker 1: they just I saw it at the screening that he
Speaker 1: just said that about me.
Speaker 2: No, that's like the greatest ww hype.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, yeah, I want I want a whole one,
Speaker 1: you know. I want like my dad has in the show,
Speaker 1: all these references.
Speaker 2: Got it.
Speaker 1: I just know all the words to all of them
Speaker 1: from country artists like Justin Moore definitely, Jase Noldan or
Speaker 1: Luke or something. It's all them referencing him in songs
Speaker 1: like a mashup and I want one from Dolly Parton.
Speaker 1: That's what I need, you know, one of my favorite
Speaker 1: things here.
Speaker 2: And we've got to work together. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She's on my first album on a song called Happy
Speaker 1: All the Time.
Speaker 2: You want me to tell a story on that? I
Speaker 2: would love to hear.
Speaker 1: God, she was really crazy. I was making my son
Speaker 1: breakfast one day. My manager calls with this idea and
Speaker 1: she's like, we gotta get Dolly Onhappy all the Time.
Speaker 1: And I was like, really, like I'm really young, like
Speaker 1: you really just kind of ruined my day, Like I
Speaker 1: want to dream big, you know I do. I'm a
Speaker 1: big dreamer, but come on now. And we just kind
Speaker 1: of focused everything on it, tried to see any way
Speaker 1: we could get to her, and it ended up happening
Speaker 1: through this really amazing sweet lady that my friend Bobby
Speaker 1: Tomberland is friends with. He's an older songwriter here, but
Speaker 1: he's like a country music history buff. He's the best
Speaker 1: and news one close to her that does does Dolly's
Speaker 1: hair and has for years. And she just felt this
Speaker 1: calling to to get her this song. She says she'd
Speaker 1: never given her a song from someone in family or
Speaker 1: friends in like thirty years. And I made a little
Speaker 1: package and I wrote a letter and like I type
Speaker 1: wrote the lyrics so happy all the time out it
Speaker 1: looked a mess kind of and I laminated it, but
Speaker 1: it was cute, like.
Speaker 2: It was you laminated it.
Speaker 1: That's a no, Like yeah, I was like, I know
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton, We're like the same. Like I'm about to
Speaker 1: laminate this and she's gonna she's gonna think this is
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I'm sending her a care package and
Speaker 1: like in modern warfare this is and she was moved
Speaker 1: by it.
Speaker 2: And she was yeah.
Speaker 1: And one time I had to for her to listen
Speaker 1: to the song after getting it, I had to drive
Speaker 1: a boombox from Target in Brentwood to her offices in
Speaker 1: the rain. I'm like buzzing the gate, like, hey, this
Speaker 1: is Sam Williams. I have this speaker for Mss Dolly.
Speaker 1: Sheught she said to bring she has to listen to
Speaker 1: it on a CD and they're like what. They finally
Speaker 1: let me in. I give it to her and we
Speaker 1: didn't meet them.
Speaker 2: We met later on.
Speaker 1: But it was just amazing because she wanted. She was
Speaker 1: very detailed in asking me. I wrote to her what
Speaker 1: the song was about to me, and it was really
Speaker 1: special then and she asked what exactly do you want
Speaker 1: me to do? What lines would you like me to do?
Speaker 1: And how should I answer to this? And it was awesome.
Speaker 1: You know, she's I think she's always overly gracious than
Speaker 1: what is expected or required.
Speaker 2: You know, I agree, Yeah, she's been that way to
Speaker 2: me too, and she definitely has not had to be
Speaker 2: that way. No, because she really doesn't have to do
Speaker 2: anything anymore. No, anything from her comes from her wanting
Speaker 2: or feeling like a situation deserves her help, especially all
Speaker 2: the charity work she does too, Right, Yeah, I feel
Speaker 2: like when she works with me in any way whatsoever, that's
Speaker 2: charity with you, that's art with me, that's charity. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was appealing to I was feeling to Ethos real.
Speaker 1: I mean I wrote to her about the song. I think
Speaker 1: she really there was like just some like weird parallels
Speaker 1: at the time. I'm from West Tennessee, she's from East Tennessee.
Speaker 1: I come from money in this big you know, big legacy,
Speaker 1: but a lot of tragedy at the same time. They
Speaker 1: just danced together and she came from you know, kind
Speaker 1: of nothing and built something incredible, and you know, we
Speaker 1: talked about that some and she was kind of she
Speaker 1: was hard on me though, like a little bit stern.
Speaker 1: Why haven't you done this? You should have did an
Speaker 1: album like this?
Speaker 2: Was it advice? What are you doing? Yes?
Speaker 1: But it was a bit advised, but it was bit
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton business advice.
Speaker 2: You know, it was mega.
Speaker 1: So I was terrified and she's just you know, I
Speaker 1: think that she delets such an impact.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Growing up, was there music around you, say,
Speaker 2: your dad wasn't you used historian for describing somebody else.
Speaker 2: Was there a bunch of music accessible to you? Or
Speaker 2: was it because he his life was so much music,
Speaker 2: and your grandfather's lif and like a lot of your
Speaker 2: family does music. Was there no music because it was
Speaker 2: so much music?
Speaker 1: To be honest, it was more like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: my dad had shows. He had shows in the summer.
Speaker 1: He does this most of the time. I mean, when
Speaker 1: I was little, it was probably different. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that playing guitar and writing songs in twenty
Speaker 1: minutes and you know, rowdiness probably phased out by the
Speaker 1: time I was five, in two thousand and two, at
Speaker 1: least on his side, you know. So, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that there's definitely there's probably a lot of unsaid
Speaker 1: blockage there, you know, for all of us. He didn't
Speaker 1: get to grow up with his dad, and people don't
Speaker 1: really know that.
Speaker 2: They just think that. And he did it.
Speaker 1: My dad was a lot older when I was born.
Speaker 1: It was it was I'm from Paris, Tennessee. You know,
Speaker 1: so I came from a really small place to strove
Speaker 1: from there. This morning, you're still there, No, I just
Speaker 1: I went back to real steaks with my friends and
Speaker 1: my son wanted to fish and yeah, so I mean
Speaker 1: it's nice. A lot has changed, but we still have
Speaker 1: a piece there and a place there, so you know,
Speaker 1: hold on to that. But no, I mean I think
Speaker 1: that my dad doesn't like to He doesn't talk about
Speaker 1: music and listen to music. He talks about guns. He
Speaker 1: loves guns, history of guns, making bullets. This war fall
Speaker 1: off a mountain in Montana, you know, Mozambique one time.
Speaker 2: This grizzly bear.
Speaker 1: That's what my dad's vernacular is. He's a performer to
Speaker 1: everyone else, you know, all the time. So I really
Speaker 1: was able to draw inspiration from music from whatever I
Speaker 1: exposed myself to, which was a lot.
Speaker 2: You know, when did you start learning music at what age?
Speaker 2: M like to sing? Yeah, like to actually create, more
Speaker 2: so than hearing songs.
Speaker 1: I mean I just would do weird stuff as a kid.
Speaker 1: I told my mom I wrote Lucky about Britney Spears
Speaker 1: for her, and I was singing it for my sister.
Speaker 1: Came running down the stairs, my late sister Katie, and
Speaker 1: she was.
Speaker 2: Like, that's a Britney Spears song. That's my favorite song.
Speaker 2: He didn't write that. I'm the one who played it.
Speaker 2: For him. I was so upset, sad that is I
Speaker 2: love that this is a story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean I never got technical with it.
Speaker 2: Then.
Speaker 1: I actually moved to Nashville at fourteen and lived here
Speaker 1: for a semester, my first semester of high school, and
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna take voice lessons, start doing stuff,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, I didn't want my time to
Speaker 1: run out, Like I think, I'm scared of failure and
Speaker 1: I always have been since very young. And I was like,
Speaker 1: everybody's doing stuff, I have to be doing stuff.
Speaker 2: To you moved here at fourteen? What do you mean?
Speaker 2: Who did you live with? Me? And my mom lived here?
Speaker 2: Got it?
Speaker 1: It was just six months and I went back home
Speaker 1: and it was it was kind of a lot. I
Speaker 1: wasn't really ready for it yet I wanted to be.
Speaker 1: I wasn't used to living around a bunch of like
Speaker 1: rich kids and stuff either.
Speaker 2: It was strange to me. Were you the rich kid
Speaker 2: in Paris? Yeah?
Speaker 1: For sure, and it comes with its People don't like that,
Speaker 1: you know. I grew up like very used to that.
Speaker 2: But like, but were you known as the rich kid
Speaker 2: or was it obvious you were the rich kid? I
Speaker 2: think there's a difference, like did you dress probably both nicer?
Speaker 2: Do you have nicer stuff than everybody else? No? I
Speaker 2: was like a little kid.
Speaker 1: No, but like i've I just have like a outlandish
Speaker 1: fashion taste and always kind of have. And that was
Speaker 1: the you know, experimental period. So and I do like cars,
Speaker 1: but like, no, I mean I think that cars.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like as a kid when I turned like eleven,
Speaker 1: I all I talked about was my first car for.
Speaker 2: Five years, Well, what's your first car?
Speaker 1: It was a two thousand and eight BMW X five
Speaker 1: from Gadston, Texas, and it was tan metallic and it
Speaker 1: had big rims and brown mahogany inside. I was like
Speaker 1: really planning on balling out and.
Speaker 2: Why that car? Why that car? Yeah? He said, you're
Speaker 2: talking about it for five years. I don't know if
Speaker 2: that was the same car through all five years.
Speaker 1: Oh No, I was just annoying. I was like talking
Speaker 1: to my dad all the time, like I can't wait
Speaker 1: to get a car. Why'd you pick the BMW? I
Speaker 1: tried to get a hardship license. I just really liked
Speaker 1: the color. It had a secret compartment on the dashboard
Speaker 1: that I thought was cool and had like the big
Speaker 1: flaps on the back, the older big bass like X
Speaker 1: fives and the big buffler's kind of on it, and
Speaker 1: I did it.
Speaker 2: Was just super dope to me. You still like cars? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't have enough money to you know, well, now
Speaker 2: I'm confused to flex money. But now you're saying you
Speaker 2: don't have money.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean as a kid, I grew up you
Speaker 1: know with money. Now, Oh, I mean it's I don't
Speaker 1: look around.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find it, you know, I try to
Speaker 2: find it. So you're saying there's just not a bunch
Speaker 2: of money that's fed to you all the time.
Speaker 1: Now, oh no, No, I don't. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of me and Holly. I don't know, if you know Holly.
Speaker 1: Me and Holly have this conversation all the time sometimes,
Speaker 1: like people think that we just like were born and
Speaker 1: just ate Hey, good looking cheerios and just freaking family
Speaker 1: tradition till you know the cows went home, And that's
Speaker 1: not it. You know, my dad's like a frugal, frugal
Speaker 1: man born in nineteen forty nine. You know, it was
Speaker 1: a different world then. That's really what he said about
Speaker 1: the cigar. But no, I mean my dad obviously helps
Speaker 1: me in ways and has been there for me in
Speaker 1: many ways before. But you know, I mean, like all
Speaker 1: my dad's kids have been on our own thing.
Speaker 2: When did you kind of have to go out and
Speaker 2: do it yourself.
Speaker 1: Probably about kind of always. But my son was born.
Speaker 1: I was nineteen, so it was a little bit different then.
Speaker 1: But you know, I got a publishing deal when I
Speaker 1: was It just turned twenty one, so it was about then.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm jealous of people with the lake
Speaker 1: Martin lake houses and the big boats. I went on
Speaker 1: a big boat recently the other day.
Speaker 2: Big boat, like a lake yacht.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and that's really nice. So you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get one of those one day. So
Speaker 1: right now I'm making my my fun on the lake
Speaker 1: kind of songs. So you know, walk in that direction.
Speaker 2: That's the goal. Big boat, Yeah kind of. But like
Speaker 2: I just grew up on the lake.
Speaker 1: It's not even really a materialistic thing like guns, just
Speaker 1: a sun dancer.
Speaker 2: No, do you know a lot about the history of guns,
Speaker 2: because you're because my stepdad was obsessed with the Civil War.
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with like nineteen sixties baseball.
Speaker 1: My dad's obsessed with like the Civil War. I don't
Speaker 1: know about the history guns. I know more about like
Speaker 1: the history of the world and like international affairs than
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: That was what I brought a liking to. What kind
Speaker 2: of student were you? I was a really.
Speaker 1: Exceptional student for kind of all ways. And then by
Speaker 1: high school I had gotten into the places I wanted
Speaker 1: to go and just kind of stopped.
Speaker 2: The dream died for a.
Speaker 1: Minute, and then I ended up going to school here
Speaker 1: in Nashville for a few years in entertainment industry studies
Speaker 1: whatever that means.
Speaker 2: And what does that mean. It's just a way to
Speaker 2: be able to come to Nashville commit and go to
Speaker 2: school when really you're coming to Nashville to actually do entertainment.
Speaker 2: That's what I feel like it is.
Speaker 1: For a lot of that's just when you just don't
Speaker 1: know what you're doing yet. Some people are just in
Speaker 1: an incubation period for too long and they're just in
Speaker 1: that for too long. But I was just doing anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, I took before I was really really writing.
Speaker 1: I remember my first year at Belmont taking a songwriting
Speaker 1: course and I didn't really know what I was doing
Speaker 1: at all, And I don't know though, like looking back,
Speaker 1: that was kind of the beauty of it. And when
Speaker 1: I work with people like that are more esteemed like
Speaker 1: a John Paul White or Jim Lauderdale or you know,
Speaker 1: people you know respected for their writing, they kind of
Speaker 1: celebrate that blank slateness approach to making music and like
Speaker 1: just even writing the other day, like I kind of
Speaker 1: I don't like to write the titles. I come in
Speaker 1: and see what I find and what I get to
Speaker 1: and it's a lot a lot of conversation into what's
Speaker 1: the message and what's the feeling and to get what
Speaker 1: I want to say. And I think that you you
Speaker 1: take pieces of everything that's inspired you, and I just
Speaker 1: kind of tend to like to create in the moment,
Speaker 1: and I think maybe that changes at some point, you know,
Speaker 1: there's always like a weird evolution to the creating.
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Speaker 2: Country Star Act two. What's up with the acts? Why
Speaker 2: are they not different records? Like? Really, what is I
Speaker 2: don't know what you're why are you doing it like that?
Speaker 2: What's up with all the podcasts? No? I hear you,
Speaker 2: but I label mind different for different reasons. Oh, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. I mean I think that you know,
Speaker 2: there's a creative aspect is the act like but also
Speaker 2: the same show, but it's different parts of this act.
Speaker 2: I guess that's that's what my question about the record is,
Speaker 2: like in your mind creatively, why did you name it
Speaker 2: and separate them like this?
Speaker 1: I had too many songs and to not be a
Speaker 1: big artist. I'm not on country radio. I'm not supported
Speaker 1: by like a lot of the big.
Speaker 2: Big boys here.
Speaker 1: So I mean I had a lot of songs and
Speaker 1: a lot of creativity, and it's like where do we go?
Speaker 1: So I think that I kind of created this idea
Speaker 1: to show a different side of me in each thing
Speaker 1: and to build a world, three different worlds out of
Speaker 1: the different music I make, because that's kind of always
Speaker 1: been a thing too. Was that like not was just
Speaker 1: Sam being himself? But Sam's being so himself, like he's
Speaker 1: this sounds nothing like this, and we like when he
Speaker 1: sings the sad ballads, so why let's do that? And
Speaker 1: I think that I was dying to grow and I'd
Speaker 1: made songs like no Problem, and then when I had
Speaker 1: written Country Star, I was like, I think this is
Speaker 1: a whole thing, and we gotta, like, I want to
Speaker 1: spread this out and introduce my music to people in
Speaker 1: a few different steps, and you know, get to show
Speaker 1: them different sides of me, because nobody else is going
Speaker 1: to do it for me. You know, I can't wait
Speaker 1: on one moment to launch my career and then do
Speaker 1: everything after. I think, you know, it's just industry's changed.
Speaker 1: So I think that with this with Thatt too, truthfully
Speaker 1: and creatively, I'd say the projects kind of revolve around fear, scarlet,
Speaker 1: lonesome from last year. It's more fear of losing love,
Speaker 1: losing someone, not finding yourself, you know, kind of the
Speaker 1: the figuring it out Country Star is more so the
Speaker 1: chaos of you know, fear of failure, fear of not
Speaker 1: being yourself. And you know, I think that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of like chaos and mania that comes with the
Speaker 1: hard parts of life and figuring out who you are
Speaker 1: and trying to do it on purpose. And I wanted
Speaker 1: to embrace all the different sides of me, and I
Speaker 1: kind of naturally have a tendency to the darkness get
Speaker 1: into my music somewhere when I'm trying not to. So
Speaker 1: I think songs like killed a man in Tennessee. That's
Speaker 1: a song that's on Act two. You know, there's there's
Speaker 1: hip hop in it, and I'm singing all over it
Speaker 1: and stuff, and it's kind of just me creating something
Speaker 1: new and I'm getting to take ownership of some of
Speaker 1: my story that hasn't fit into the rest of my
Speaker 1: music so far. You know, it's not all sadness that's
Speaker 1: in me, and I think there's a lot of it,
Speaker 1: but people see that on the product. You know what
Speaker 1: I put out more than the joyous and kind of
Speaker 1: driven and dreaming side of me, and that gets to
Speaker 1: come out here.
Speaker 2: Who are your favorite artists? Oh of all time? You're
Speaker 2: gonna give me guidelines or I just start now. I
Speaker 2: would just say you can even do ages because I
Speaker 2: I think the artist listen to growing up. Yeah, shaped you,
Speaker 2: even if you don't realize they shaped you. I think
Speaker 2: about that because when you say Britney Lucky as a kid,
Speaker 2: I really loved.
Speaker 1: Britney Spears probably early Cheetah Girl stage, loved Chris Brown,
Speaker 1: Justin Timberlake for sure. I had the Justin Bieber haircut
Speaker 1: when he came out, and it was it was a problem.
Speaker 2: There was at the flot the bank Flop.
Speaker 1: There was an early jealousy there and I was like,
Speaker 1: is he hot? Do I want to be him?
Speaker 2: Like? What is this?
Speaker 1: And I've kind of always you know, I love Justin
Speaker 1: Bieber too. I think I really loved Tyler Childers when
Speaker 1: he'd first kind of come out right before Purgatory and
Speaker 1: after that, and that shaped a lot of my voice
Speaker 1: kind of at the time, and the writing I was
Speaker 1: doing because I think, you know, moving here probably ages
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen twenty, I was just trying to absorb writing
Speaker 1: as well, like try to listen to a Joni Mitchell record.
Speaker 1: I love Laurie McKenna songwriter, like what did her earlier
Speaker 1: song sound like?
Speaker 2: What do people's songs sound like? That never came out.
Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of hip hop music, So
Speaker 1: I mean, I think my favorite artist now would definitely
Speaker 1: be I'm a Big Barb.
Speaker 2: I love Nicki Minaj.
Speaker 1: It's like the creativity, the invention, the determination, and so
Speaker 1: twenty ten's hip hop Drake, Nicki Wayne, I love Jay Cole.
Speaker 2: But on a.
Speaker 1: Daily basis, I probably am one of those more nostalgialists
Speaker 1: that is listening to like your older favorite songs, me
Speaker 1: and my son do a lot of Sean Kingston, old
Speaker 1: Sean Kingston. I throw in some random Hank Williams sometimes
Speaker 1: just to you.
Speaker 2: Try to teach him to get it in there, teach
Speaker 2: him music about who great grandpa was.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean he has plenty of questions. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, Hanky talkin is the song on Act two
Speaker 1: that's coming out or that you did with Yeah, I'm singing.
Speaker 2: With my grandpa. I did it. Yeah, we were in
Speaker 2: the studio. Yeah. I don't know how to refer to him,
Speaker 2: your grandpa or Hank. Yes, yeah, I mean because I
Speaker 2: watched you. I watched you the announcement of you talking
Speaker 2: about it, and I've seen some stuff where you're like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this. Was that emotional at all?
Speaker 1: No, it would be for me, you know, if it
Speaker 1: does well, probably, But I mean I've done some stuff
Speaker 1: of I covered I'm So Lonesome I could cry, And
Speaker 1: that was really really special to do because it was
Speaker 1: very reimagined and new chords to it, kind of a
Speaker 1: new thing and honky Tonking I wanted to do something
Speaker 1: fun and exciting and have another record on Act two
Speaker 1: that you know, ties pieces of my story together. There's
Speaker 1: just a lot there, and I want to do something
Speaker 1: that was kind of campy and that was fun and
Speaker 1: not you know, I'm not trying to have a songwriting
Speaker 1: exercise competition here, and I do that too much. I
Speaker 1: want to do the perfect little anecdote, you know. And
Speaker 1: it actually wrote a couple of different versions of Honky
Speaker 1: Tonkin and came to one that just felt like the
Speaker 1: perfect amount of quirkiness and polish, but you know, also
Speaker 1: just fun. And the tag and the pedal steel feels
Speaker 1: so so so long ago, so seventy five years ago,
Speaker 1: and it also sounds like, you know, the music being
Speaker 1: made nowadays.
Speaker 2: And uh.
Speaker 1: With I think with my kid, my son, with Hank Senior,
Speaker 1: he has more questions about did pop pop sing the
Speaker 1: national anthem at super this?
Speaker 2: You know a little bit more of that? And pop
Speaker 2: pops your dad, yeah, which is his grandfather.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, my dad goes pop pop for most grandkids. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, he has many questions, but it's it's a
Speaker 1: lot to understand for him. I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of loss in my family and there has been from
Speaker 1: a long time before me and a lot since me.
Speaker 1: So I think it's you know, it's probably a lot
Speaker 1: to take in, you know. I mean, my dad was
Speaker 1: on Post Malone's album.
Speaker 2: That was the.
Speaker 1: Coolest thing ever to him. You know, He's like, did
Speaker 1: they what did they do? I'm like, I don't think
Speaker 1: they met. He's got a pretty cool name. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I mean I think that, you know, he does a
Speaker 1: great job with it. I think I did. I do
Speaker 1: pretty great with it.
Speaker 2: Now. It's a lot of pressure. But as a kid,
Speaker 2: it was like type in on Google. It was scary,
Speaker 2: did you Yeah, I guess you could find out stuff
Speaker 2: on Google. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Google was around, and I guess two thousand and seven
Speaker 1: I was ten. Yeah one Google. I was like, how
Speaker 1: many results? No, you're Tennyson? Yes, what's where's the name
Speaker 1: come from?
Speaker 2: It's actually a writer, Alfred Lord Tennyson.
Speaker 1: He's a British poet a long time ago with the
Speaker 1: Lightning Brigade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: So I think I was trying to have him pass
Speaker 1: at the Supreme Court Justice test, like is it that interesting?
Speaker 2: You know? Do you want him to do music? No?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I think he could be great probably anything he'd like
Speaker 1: to do, and he may want to.
Speaker 2: But do you think your dad felt exactly the same
Speaker 2: way about you. Yeah, yeah, And now do you understand.
Speaker 1: My dad used to say he's going to be a
Speaker 1: senator all the time.
Speaker 2: Never had the desire to be a senator.
Speaker 1: I did, though, you did, Yeah, I sure did. I
Speaker 1: totally wanted to do that.
Speaker 2: Why, well, it's not like past tense. You still can't
Speaker 2: do it. You're still very young. But why I guess
Speaker 2: nowadays you can do whatever you want. Did you just
Speaker 2: say it and then you can do it? Boom? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So you still maybe want to do politics. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it depends on how I look at thirty nine.
Speaker 1: If it's really given politics, if it's really given like
Speaker 1: thirty nine, if it's given like House of Representatives, yeah,
Speaker 1: and microphone in suits and tailored suits, then if we
Speaker 1: might just have to do it. You like being on stage, yeah, me,
Speaker 1: And I like when people know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: I don't like when people have no idea what they're
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: I don't understand.
Speaker 1: Keep going like you know, everybody has a microphone and
Speaker 1: platform a lot nowadays, there's a there's an oversaturation to it.
Speaker 1: And that's in more than just you know, commentary, it's
Speaker 1: in everything. I don't think it would have worked out though.
Speaker 1: If I would have been a senator, my dad would
Speaker 1: have been really mad if it would have worked out.
Speaker 2: Because it doesn't align. Yeah, it would.
Speaker 1: It would have just been a disconnect. It would have
Speaker 1: been like, you know, storm the Capitol. It would I
Speaker 1: don't know, yeah, I feel yeah.
Speaker 2: How many shows are you doing? Now? Are you playing
Speaker 2: a bunch this summer?
Speaker 1: It has been like CMA Fest just happened to me,
Speaker 1: really really busy. I just had to operat the other night,
Speaker 1: kind of last minute, and trying to plan some stuff
Speaker 1: around the album coming out. But the rest of the
Speaker 1: year is a little bit open right now, and it's
Speaker 1: figuring out the rest of music everything just that I'm
Speaker 1: working on. And I'd really love to get a tour
Speaker 1: for the end of this year, but I don't have
Speaker 1: anything announced right now.
Speaker 2: Where do you feel you can be the most creative,
Speaker 2: And I'll give you an example. Mine is setting. Mine
Speaker 2: is a shower because I have no phone. I would,
Speaker 2: but it get wet so I can't. I do all
Speaker 2: my glasses on and it's like the only time and
Speaker 2: only space I have where really nothing can get to me,
Speaker 2: and it's where my mind is the freest, and I'll
Speaker 2: and I come up with more mostly bad ideas, but
Speaker 2: every once in a while one it's pretty good, Like
Speaker 2: mine is the shower. That's where I'm probably inspired the most.
Speaker 2: Where is it for you?
Speaker 1: Well, I think the most to to just songwriting, and
Speaker 1: I'm just on the ground, Like I write pen and paper,
Speaker 1: so or highlighter and paper?
Speaker 2: You still write? Yeah? Yeah, I say still you probably
Speaker 2: always written pin of paper? Then huh yep? Why why
Speaker 2: not a laptop? Why not your phone? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, I like to make like it's just about placement.
Speaker 2: I'm a visual learner.
Speaker 1: I have to make a whole like it's just I
Speaker 1: don't know how to describe it. But if I'm writing
Speaker 1: like a lot of words, I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: going to use these words or what they mean. Like
Speaker 1: I gotta make like a bubble type map and look
Speaker 1: at them and figure out how I'm putting them together
Speaker 1: and what is what am I actually saying? But that's
Speaker 1: to do with music though, like actual good ideas for life,
Speaker 1: I have no idea where I think of those that
Speaker 1: I want to figure out.
Speaker 3: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the
Speaker 3: Bobby cast.
Speaker 2: Can you write by schedule meaning I'm gonna write ten
Speaker 2: am tomorrow and at ten am you sit down, you write,
Speaker 2: not alone?
Speaker 1: No, I mean co writes all the time, so like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's my job.
Speaker 2: But scheduled writing with others. But if it it's just yourself,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do as well.
Speaker 1: No, it'd be more when am I like actually, aha,
Speaker 1: you know I think by myself it would just.
Speaker 2: Feel more, feel more forced.
Speaker 1: It's like you need to have this piece of content
Speaker 1: up at this time blah blah blah, and you need
Speaker 1: to feel like this in it.
Speaker 2: You know. Do you feel the constant pressure to constantly
Speaker 2: produce content you don't understand? Yeah, oh I'm sure you do.
Speaker 1: But when you're when you haven't had like big moments yet,
Speaker 1: like it's just this is just a different thing now.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not all about the just making music anymore.
Speaker 1: It's about what are you? And believe me, like I
Speaker 1: I do my best to be me as as I can,
Speaker 1: but you know, you got to be very out there.
Speaker 2: Some of my friends like are the big like Lana fans.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh my gosh, dude, if Lana had to
Speaker 1: come out now with like everything that we do. I
Speaker 1: don't think she would have won to keep at it
Speaker 1: for long enough to become.
Speaker 2: Like a legend. You know. It's just it's just kind
Speaker 2: of staying the course. What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: I'm always complaining my managers, like, are you just gonna
Speaker 1: give up?
Speaker 2: Sam? You're gonna give.
Speaker 1: Up because your video, you know, it's just a lot
Speaker 1: bigger than that. But uh, we get bogged down with
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff now. But it's like, it's
Speaker 1: just the noise.
Speaker 2: Do you feel I guess there are a couple of
Speaker 2: ways you can feel about this At times. I know
Speaker 2: that I feel annoyed if I have something I'm really
Speaker 2: happy with and proud of in a post and it
Speaker 2: doesn't do anything, and that can be frustrating. It could
Speaker 2: be very frustrating. Like I put a lot of work,
Speaker 2: a lot of time, a lot of effort. I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I think this should really do well, and it doesn't.
Speaker 2: That's frustrating. Oh yeah it is. But then there are
Speaker 2: times where I do the stupidest thing and it's like, oh, look, Dawn,
Speaker 2: it's got one point one million stupid views and that's
Speaker 2: cool and all. But I'm like, I really there's the
Speaker 2: stuff I want to matter, Yeah, matter, do I get frustrated?
Speaker 1: Probably it's like always the thing that you're looking forward
Speaker 1: to that you worked too to like announce or like do,
Speaker 1: and it's like mmm, yeah, you know that is definitely
Speaker 1: for us trading. But I mean, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: like what are you gonna do? I think we, me
Speaker 1: and my team probably have conversations like this all the
Speaker 1: time because I want to give people, you know, different
Speaker 1: worlds of music, different sounds, different looks.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm really in tune with my fashion and image and
Speaker 1: what am I saying and how does it?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And I think that it's just so damn fast now
Speaker 1: that like a lot of that doesn't even catch up
Speaker 1: with people. It's just a different time. I think the
Speaker 1: people that are amazing at it, I'm like astounded by,
Speaker 1: like how do you do this?
Speaker 2: Like just never miss a beat? In a way.
Speaker 1: I've been really proud of Dasha, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: Dasha's one song. I knew Dasha a little bit before,
Speaker 1: you know, before the song, and her whole life is
Speaker 1: like you know, craziness now and it's and it's it's
Speaker 1: running with it and she's done a really awesome job
Speaker 1: at it, and I think that a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't get credit for when you do get something and
Speaker 1: you got to handle your whole life, you know, from there.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think where part would be frustrating
Speaker 2: that it doesn't pop. What you just said there is
Speaker 2: kind of the hope is that there really isn't like
Speaker 2: a single gatekeeper anymore, and anything could pop off at
Speaker 2: any time. Literally, Yeah, and your life could be changed
Speaker 2: in three days because something catches and it spreads and
Speaker 2: then there's the spotlight on you by the people that
Speaker 2: want to invest in you. And yeah, I really could
Speaker 2: all change like that, and the only way to actually
Speaker 2: make it change is to keep working. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that, you know, I probably, like
Speaker 1: everyone else, sometimes let the fear and that anything else
Speaker 1: get in the way of, you know, trying to subscribe
Speaker 1: to that. I think adding Honky talking to my project
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna do something fun and it's my
Speaker 1: legacy and I'm gonna say stuff that they're gonna be
Speaker 1: like why did he even say that? Just because that's
Speaker 1: just how I am. And you know, that was like
Speaker 1: a fun thing to add to this. And I have
Speaker 1: another album coming out after and it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: may not be the best at making tiktoks all the
Speaker 1: time and like trying to make them swaggy or sexy
Speaker 1: or like so funny ha ha.
Speaker 2: I'm just not really like that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can't find the time of the day too. I
Speaker 1: guess I'm busy and it's just a new thing. I
Speaker 1: kind of feel old like trying to get it and
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: But I do.
Speaker 1: I know I'm good at the making music and the
Speaker 1: telling a story and you know, making taking somewhere someone
Speaker 1: somewhere different when they're listening, you know. So I mean
Speaker 1: I think maybe maybe this will maybe this will blow
Speaker 1: over in a couple of years.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it is. It's still in the fashion.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, power rank your favorite brands, your favorite brands, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll go, I'll match you one for one, Okay.
Speaker 1: I mean I have like cheap favorite brands too. Back
Speaker 1: into old Navy again.
Speaker 2: But if I were to say you get five unlimited
Speaker 2: for a whole day, what brand do you go to first?
Speaker 2: It could be any brand, any clothing brand. I wear a.
Speaker 1: Lot of fix clothing. It's in London. These are fixed
Speaker 1: the g Yeah, probably this shirt too.
Speaker 2: These are like a.
Speaker 1: Rolling Stones collection. Okay, I'm gonna think of right now today.
Speaker 2: I want like one store you get to go into
Speaker 2: any store and have everything you want, because for me,
Speaker 2: it's probably like Bottega. Okay, that's probably my number one.
Speaker 1: I don't have anything from there, but I would go
Speaker 1: to Christian Dior because I like the vibe.
Speaker 2: And the resale is crazy. You have the saddle bags.
Speaker 2: I just I've always wanted one of those.
Speaker 1: I've gone in there and looked at one so many times, no,
Speaker 1: and I was not getting it.
Speaker 2: Just to recheck it real quick, like the dude saddle bags, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're awesome.
Speaker 1: And just the little ones. I just kind of like them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna I'm gonna put in a dumb
Speaker 1: one and say, uh, Tractor Supply because there's so much
Speaker 1: I could get in there and have someone help me
Speaker 1: put at my house or Tracked.
Speaker 2: What Supplies fun is they have everything people do. It's
Speaker 2: like if they don't know, they don't know it's not
Speaker 2: a tractor store track and I Supply has everything they do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like you're going into Kmart. There's a little bit
Speaker 2: of everything.
Speaker 1: And I just like their corny southern kind of like
Speaker 1: stuff out there. I'm like, oh, this windmill with a cow,
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: It does have cracker barrel vibes and part of it. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm just in that era of my life.
Speaker 1: I'm sure one day, if i'm you know, rich and
Speaker 1: have something else, I want my house to look like
Speaker 1: this lion out here.
Speaker 2: But for right now, you don't want the lion. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you get a plastic one. Don't have to worry about
Speaker 2: how I have you that thing is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think I could use some accessories,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go Swarowski.
Speaker 2: I used to like that as a kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to always get like a pen and
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with my pen, like you know. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm blanking kind of so much today.
Speaker 2: But I've never had anything from Marnie. Yeah, so that'd
Speaker 2: be fun to go look at. I guess I had
Speaker 2: a couple of coalies from Marnie.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, see, I'd want some of those those fuzzy
Speaker 1: ones that I'm never washing. I'm never even put them
Speaker 1: somewhere for someone to get clean. I'm really bad at laundry.
Speaker 2: You send it the dry cleaner though. That's why I
Speaker 2: do anything that I'm scared of it, like getting messed
Speaker 2: up right to the dry cleaner. I take it off
Speaker 2: right when I get home, hang it right back up
Speaker 2: because I don't want to have to send it to
Speaker 2: be cleaned at all, because it loses like generations of wear. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but then every once in a while you got to
Speaker 2: send it in.
Speaker 1: I was in a rush here and didn't know what
Speaker 1: I was gonna wear. Was calling somebody and my son's
Speaker 1: in the car. My son's in the car, and he
Speaker 1: was like, okay, and I'd like to wear this old
Speaker 1: navy blue and white kind of floral jacket with blue
Speaker 1: and white Versace sneakers. And he had it all together
Speaker 1: and he was like this and this, are you gonna
Speaker 1: wear that? I was like, no, I'm not. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but it is good.
Speaker 2: Talk to me for a second about Versace. It's just
Speaker 2: too loud for me. Most of stuff from Versace I
Speaker 2: wouldn't like.
Speaker 1: But like one thing like I have, like sneakers, like
Speaker 1: all see that I really love. But if it was
Speaker 1: like print, you know, I think they make more. They
Speaker 1: make more beautiful, interesting stuff. I think the fashion house
Speaker 1: is more it's it's more women. You know, Versace's men's
Speaker 1: stuff isn't as strong as the as the women's and
Speaker 1: the accessories.
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to be selling cocaine Miami.
Speaker 2: They need to be me if I'm worry Versace. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if I'm warning men's Versaca, I need to be like
Speaker 2: on a jet boat selling cocaine.
Speaker 1: Or like twenty fifteen in the Migos.
Speaker 2: Though fair enough so too, but I'm not that like me.
Speaker 2: I'm not. Well, look, I'm super pumped for you. Why'd
Speaker 2: you put Hockey Talking out last? Though? Of all these
Speaker 2: songs in this project? Actually, I mean I made it last,
Speaker 2: and that makes all the sense.
Speaker 1: Then hopefully you know, it's just be save the biggest
Speaker 1: bang for last. Yeah, I guess, And you know, I
Speaker 1: mean I want to get all my videos done for
Speaker 1: the project and everything and let people rock with stuff.
Speaker 1: Putting Country Star out first was definitely like I wanted
Speaker 1: to make it clear this is a new thing and
Speaker 1: get people to see that it's a you know, kind
Speaker 1: of a new world of music for Acto with Country
Speaker 1: Star first, And I think Hockey Talking is just like
Speaker 1: the nice bow to it to me was.
Speaker 2: That the most is that well, because it hasn't out
Speaker 2: yet as we're talking about it, but it will be
Speaker 2: by the time we're talking about it, So I guess
Speaker 2: I'm talking about it in present tents like it's already out,
Speaker 2: all right, I bet? Yeah? There are you with me? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm there?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Was this the most excited you wear of any
Speaker 2: of the songs to come out this project? I am
Speaker 2: really really excited about it.
Speaker 1: I was really excited about Country Star too, because I
Speaker 1: was like, yes, like I need people.
Speaker 2: To hear this. We named the whole thing after it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's just it's just the world
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: But I think that this probably is the most exciting
Speaker 1: because people love it or hate it.
Speaker 2: And I already know that.
Speaker 1: I'm not even looking at the comment stuff yet, but
Speaker 1: like people love it and they're like, I love this
Speaker 1: creativity of this kid and like doing something brand new
Speaker 1: with something big that was put on him and doing
Speaker 1: a good job of it. And some people are going
Speaker 1: to be like hire arms rolling in the grave, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's uh, that's okay. It's okay because I had
Speaker 1: fun with it, and the people that rock with me,
Speaker 1: I think that they know it's a it's a.
Speaker 2: Super fun record. I'll tell you that. It's a hello
Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna tell him he probably doesn't even
Speaker 2: remember that day. No, it wasn't like a very eventful day.
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't like both of us left going
Speaker 2: what a crazy day that was. I think the virility
Speaker 2: of that video ended up being bigger to me than
Speaker 2: I ever expected it, because it wasn't like some crazy moment.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I tank he wants to go
Speaker 2: all right, He's got a big personality. That's his big personality.
Speaker 2: That's really how I felt about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've just been that. I've been around that
Speaker 1: for twenty eight years, so like I'm just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't think anything of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell him, I sai Hello, okay, I'm sure will.
Speaker 2: I've never been less of a fan because of it,
Speaker 2: and people have asked that and it gets brought up occasionally,
Speaker 2: because that thing just continues to like live lives and
Speaker 2: I'm like love him just as much.
Speaker 1: As say, hey, Bobby Bone said, you know, you're welcome
Speaker 1: and if you can have a cigar, if you want one.
Speaker 2: You can have one anytime you want around me, have
Speaker 2: no problem with bring your own. Yes, yeah, Sam, good
Speaker 2: to me, you man, Thank you so much, Bobby, thank you.
Speaker 2: And so I'm not crazy. Your name it's a V
Speaker 2: in Williams right and on Instagram? Yeah, yeah, it's V
Speaker 2: in place of a A. Yeah, why'd you do that? Honestly,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: A long time ago when I made that account of
Speaker 1: the account, and uh, it just felt cool to me.
Speaker 2: And me and my half brother Shelton aren't close.
Speaker 1: He's not close with a lot, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: we're the same generation, except he's definitely a generation older
Speaker 1: than me. But technically, you know, we're both my dad's sons.
Speaker 1: And I think it met something like that to me then,
Speaker 1: But that's just how it is. So if I need
Speaker 1: to change my Instagram name, have.
Speaker 2: They told you to change the V to the A
Speaker 2: so people can find you? I don't care.
Speaker 1: They should just see my face and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's clearly the guy. Times that pictures really little though,
Speaker 2: because when I was letting up all your stuff, I
Speaker 2: was like, is this him with a V on it?
Speaker 2: So then I had to go in.
Speaker 1: I said, I gotta be in black and white. Congratulations
Speaker 1: on the record, Thank you so much. Man, you feel
Speaker 1: good about it, like that's the win.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I need people to to rock
Speaker 1: with me and stream it, but it's about also finding
Speaker 1: your audience. It wasn't easy for me here to not
Speaker 1: be the same cut of cloth. That's the that's the
Speaker 1: more accepted deal.
Speaker 2: That's the deal.
Speaker 1: So you know it's risky, but uh, you know, hopefully
Speaker 1: worthwhile in the long run.
Speaker 2: Sam Williams with a V on Instagram. Sam Williams, Where
Speaker 2: the AA is so, Sam Wilm, Sam, good to see you, buddy.
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production