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Speaker 1: I wasn't a Hank the fourth or something like that.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure that my dad and probably wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: This episode is with Sam Williams. Sam is Hank Williams

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Speaker 2: junior son, so that makes Hank william Senior his grandpa.

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Speaker 2: And I really wasn't going to bring up the dad

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Speaker 2: thing that Hank Williams Junior him leaving the studio. I

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Speaker 2: maybe not at all, because I never want the kid

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Speaker 2: of an artist to feel like that's the only reason

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Speaker 2: brought it up, immediately got ready to do it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: To him, I think he was like, well, we're probably

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Speaker 2: gonna talk about this, so let's just jump right in.

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Speaker 2: So I had never met Sam before at two Country

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Speaker 2: Star is out now. It came out July eleventh, so

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Speaker 2: go check it out, go stream it. It's got seven

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Speaker 2: tracks on it, and we talk about all of it,

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Speaker 2: talk about his grandpa, talking about his dad, talk about

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Speaker 2: his career, why it's different, what it was like growing

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Speaker 2: up as Hank Junior son, all of that here with

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Speaker 2: Sam Williams. By the way, his Instagram is Sam Williams,

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Speaker 2: except it's spelled with a V not an A, so

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Speaker 2: it looks like Sam will of Them's. Yeah, we'll put

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Speaker 2: it in the episode notes. You can bind it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's hard to explain here he is Sam Williams. Sam,

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Speaker 2: it is nice to meet you, man. Nice to meet

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Speaker 2: you too. This is amazing. I don't think we met

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Speaker 2: no a lot of times in this town. As you'll

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Speaker 2: quickly and you don't remember meeting them because it's like

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Speaker 2: six seconds. And sometimes I'll be like, hey, nice to

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Speaker 2: or you know of or know what they're known for. Well,

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Speaker 2: I know of you and yeah what you're known for? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I know your music, but we've never met. I

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Speaker 2: don't think.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've always been familiar with you in a way,

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Speaker 1: you know, not super close, but I know my dad

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Speaker 1: on your podcast.

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Speaker 2: I was familiar with that when he walked down of

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Speaker 2: the show. Yeah, that's funny.

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Speaker 1: Everybody in the world sending this to me, They're like.

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Speaker 2: Did you see. I know you're busy. Did you see

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Speaker 2: your dad did this week? I'm like, I'm sure he did,

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Speaker 2: you know, And I respected it, and I've talked about

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Speaker 2: sent it to me. And in the moment, I didn't

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Speaker 2: think much of it. Meaning people come in, your dad

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Speaker 2: obviously very famous. I didn't realize he wanted to smoke

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Speaker 2: a cigar, like. I didn't know the real reason. So

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought this up, because I may have

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Speaker 2: never even brought this up. Your dad, who I grew

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Speaker 2: up listening to because my grandmother was a massive fan,

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Speaker 2: and so I grew up listened to your dad and

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Speaker 2: And it was one of the guys of Black Keys

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Speaker 2: who was producing the record, Dan, Yeah, Dan already, And

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Speaker 2: Hank Junior, deep breath, yeah, and he was on. But

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Speaker 2: I'm okay, like I'm up for it. Yeah, And so

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Speaker 2: We're kind of going back and forth, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: and that's why he was ready to get out of there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was just like one sentence that that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, happens sometimes people.

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Speaker 1: For me, sometimes people just do things though they can,

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Speaker 1: But I guess apologies on his behalf. But that's that's

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Speaker 2: I thought, that's pretty cool. That's honestly what I thought.

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Speaker 2: Because I didn't. I also didn't back down, But it

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Speaker 2: wasn't like I didn't feel like we're fighting. It just

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Speaker 1: Well, I think he's unfamiliar with like this environment of

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Speaker 2: I'm like yes, that's so funny. It was really one

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Speaker 1: It was absolutely there's a lot that's not real, and

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Speaker 2: Right, And it never felt like honestly angry, like I

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Speaker 2: think both of us were just like, all right, cool,

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Speaker 1: Oh and he got the joke in about the how

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Speaker 2: So that's at least a few quotables. I'm glad you

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Speaker 2: It is, well, you walked in, you're mitching the lion.

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Speaker 2: We have these lions like where when you walk in there,

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Speaker 2: They're not like super valuable or anything, but we have

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Speaker 2: So we ordered them. We went to one of these

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Speaker 2: and my wife one of these lions and they were like,

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Speaker 2: they're three hundred pounds each. And so I remember it

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Speaker 2: was my birthday and there were a few of us

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Speaker 2: that are three hundred pounds each. I bet you they

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Speaker 2: weigh a thousand pounds. We couldn't get him out of

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Speaker 1: You had to get like a whole dolly situation to

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Speaker 2: We had a dollie. We broke the dollie. We had

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Speaker 2: Oh they're the whole vibe.

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Speaker 1: They're like they're over they're overlooking the pool.

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Speaker 2: They are and that is basically a thousand pounds crazy. Uh. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you why I like you and why

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Speaker 2: I've always well, I've known who you are why I'm

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Speaker 2: No belt buckle, no cowboy hat. Yeah, and even though

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Speaker 2: I'm from Arkansas and spent a lot of my life

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Speaker 2: nice tennis shoes and they're like, well, yeah, you're not

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Speaker 2: country spectacles. Yeah, nerdy, great point, Thank for minum I

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Speaker 2: and nerdia nerdy glasses. But I think that's also I

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Speaker 2: think what I've been drawn to about what you do

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that it's it's kind of

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Speaker 1: It's a whole filing like you knowing that and like

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Speaker 1: So it's like a cool thing now. So I think that,

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Speaker 2: It's just I'm.

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Speaker 1: Gonna do what I want to do, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: And you know, I was never I was never gonna

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Speaker 1: But that's why I think I kind of have no

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Speaker 2: Well, you have the pressure and I and the bonus

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you ever think about not using the name? No,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that it'd be fun. I make

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Speaker 1: stage name do? But I mean it's authentics, no gimmicks,

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Speaker 1: I was given my own name. I wasn't a Hank

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Speaker 1: So I think that it was like a scary thing

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Speaker 2: I like Britney Spears and Justin Bieber and JT.

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Speaker 1: You know, so as a kid, I think it was

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Speaker 2: that way. No, because she really doesn't have to do

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Speaker 1: I was appealing to I was feeling to Ethos real.

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Speaker 1: Why haven't you done this? You should have did an

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Speaker 1: To be honest, it was more like that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: That's what my dad's vernacular is. He's a performer to

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Speaker 2: You know, when did you start learning music at what age?

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Speaker 1: I mean I just would do weird stuff as a kid.

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Speaker 1: I told my mom I wrote Lucky about Britney Spears

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Speaker 1: I always have been since very young. And I was like,

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Speaker 2: To you moved here at fourteen? What do you mean?

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Speaker 2: Who did you live with? Me? And my mom lived here?

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Speaker 1: It was just six months and I went back home

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Speaker 1: you know. I grew up like very used to that.

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Speaker 2: But like, but were you known as the rich kid

437
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Speaker 2: or was it obvious you were the rich kid? I

438
00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,200
Speaker 2: think there's a difference, like did you dress probably both nicer?

439
00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,119
Speaker 2: Do you have nicer stuff than everybody else? No? I

440
00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:06,960
Speaker 2: was like a little kid.

441
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Speaker 1: No, but like i've I just have like a outlandish

442
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Speaker 1: fashion taste and always kind of have. And that was

443
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Speaker 1: the you know, experimental period. So and I do like cars,

444
00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,600
Speaker 1: but like, no, I mean I think that cars.

445
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

446
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Speaker 1: I was like as a kid when I turned like eleven,

447
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Speaker 1: I all I talked about was my first car for.

448
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Speaker 2: Five years, Well, what's your first car?

449
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Speaker 1: It was a two thousand and eight BMW X five

450
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Speaker 1: from Gadston, Texas, and it was tan metallic and it

451
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,239
Speaker 1: had big rims and brown mahogany inside. I was like

452
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Speaker 1: really planning on balling out and.

453
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Speaker 2: Why that car? Why that car? Yeah? He said, you're

454
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Speaker 2: talking about it for five years. I don't know if

455
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Speaker 2: that was the same car through all five years.

456
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Speaker 1: Oh No, I was just annoying. I was like talking

457
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Speaker 1: to my dad all the time, like I can't wait

458
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Speaker 1: to get a car. Why'd you pick the BMW? I

459
00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 1: tried to get a hardship license. I just really liked

460
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Speaker 1: the color. It had a secret compartment on the dashboard

461
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Speaker 1: that I thought was cool and had like the big

462
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Speaker 1: flaps on the back, the older big bass like X

463
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Speaker 1: fives and the big buffler's kind of on it, and

464
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Speaker 1: I did it.

465
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Speaker 2: Was just super dope to me. You still like cars? Yeah,

466
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Speaker 2: I don't have enough money to you know, well, now

467
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Speaker 2: I'm confused to flex money. But now you're saying you

468
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Speaker 2: don't have money.

469
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean as a kid, I grew up you

470
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Speaker 1: know with money. Now, Oh, I mean it's I don't

471
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Speaker 1: look around.

472
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to find it, you know, I try to

473
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Speaker 2: find it. So you're saying there's just not a bunch

474
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Speaker 2: of money that's fed to you all the time.

475
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Speaker 1: Now, oh no, No, I don't. I think a lot

476
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Speaker 1: of me and Holly. I don't know, if you know Holly.

477
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 1: Me and Holly have this conversation all the time sometimes,

478
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Speaker 1: like people think that we just like were born and

479
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 1: just ate Hey, good looking cheerios and just freaking family

480
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 1: tradition till you know the cows went home, And that's

481
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Speaker 1: not it. You know, my dad's like a frugal, frugal

482
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Speaker 1: man born in nineteen forty nine. You know, it was

483
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 1: a different world then. That's really what he said about

484
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 1: the cigar. But no, I mean my dad obviously helps

485
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 1: me in ways and has been there for me in

486
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 1: many ways before. But you know, I mean, like all

487
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 1: my dad's kids have been on our own thing.

488
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Speaker 2: When did you kind of have to go out and

489
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Speaker 2: do it yourself.

490
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,120
Speaker 1: Probably about kind of always. But my son was born.

491
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 1: I was nineteen, so it was a little bit different then.

492
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Speaker 1: But you know, I got a publishing deal when I

493
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 1: was It just turned twenty one, so it was about then.

494
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Speaker 1: So you know, I'm jealous of people with the lake

495
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: Martin lake houses and the big boats. I went on

496
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Speaker 1: a big boat recently the other day.

497
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Speaker 2: Big boat, like a lake yacht.

498
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and that's really nice. So you know, I'm

499
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get one of those one day. So

500
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: right now I'm making my my fun on the lake

501
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 1: kind of songs. So you know, walk in that direction.

502
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Speaker 2: That's the goal. Big boat, Yeah kind of. But like

503
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Speaker 2: I just grew up on the lake.

504
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Speaker 1: It's not even really a materialistic thing like guns, just

505
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 1: a sun dancer.

506
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Speaker 2: No, do you know a lot about the history of guns,

507
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 2: because you're because my stepdad was obsessed with the Civil War.

508
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with like nineteen sixties baseball.

509
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Speaker 1: My dad's obsessed with like the Civil War. I don't

510
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Speaker 1: know about the history guns. I know more about like

511
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: the history of the world and like international affairs than

512
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Speaker 1: I do.

513
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Speaker 2: That was what I brought a liking to. What kind

514
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 2: of student were you? I was a really.

515
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: Exceptional student for kind of all ways. And then by

516
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: high school I had gotten into the places I wanted

517
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Speaker 1: to go and just kind of stopped.

518
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Speaker 2: The dream died for a.

519
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Speaker 1: Minute, and then I ended up going to school here

520
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 1: in Nashville for a few years in entertainment industry studies

521
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: whatever that means.

522
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: And what does that mean. It's just a way to

523
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Speaker 2: be able to come to Nashville commit and go to

524
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 2: school when really you're coming to Nashville to actually do entertainment.

525
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Speaker 2: That's what I feel like it is.

526
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Speaker 1: For a lot of that's just when you just don't

527
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 1: know what you're doing yet. Some people are just in

528
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: an incubation period for too long and they're just in

529
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: that for too long. But I was just doing anything.

530
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Speaker 1: I mean, I took before I was really really writing.

531
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Speaker 1: I remember my first year at Belmont taking a songwriting

532
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: course and I didn't really know what I was doing

533
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: at all, And I don't know though, like looking back,

534
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: that was kind of the beauty of it. And when

535
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: I work with people like that are more esteemed like

536
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: a John Paul White or Jim Lauderdale or you know,

537
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Speaker 1: people you know respected for their writing, they kind of

538
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Speaker 1: celebrate that blank slateness approach to making music and like

539
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Speaker 1: just even writing the other day, like I kind of

540
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Speaker 1: I don't like to write the titles. I come in

541
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Speaker 1: and see what I find and what I get to

542
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Speaker 1: and it's a lot a lot of conversation into what's

543
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Speaker 1: the message and what's the feeling and to get what

544
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Speaker 1: I want to say. And I think that you you

545
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: take pieces of everything that's inspired you, and I just

546
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 1: kind of tend to like to create in the moment,

547
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: and I think maybe that changes at some point, you know,

548
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: there's always like a weird evolution to the creating.

549
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Speaker 4: I think let's take a quick pause for a message

550
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Speaker 4: from our sponsor, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: Country Star Act two. What's up with the acts? Why

552
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: are they not different records? Like? Really, what is I

553
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: don't know what you're why are you doing it like that?

554
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: What's up with all the podcasts? No? I hear you,

555
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: but I label mind different for different reasons. Oh, okay,

556
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. I mean I think that you know,

557
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: there's a creative aspect is the act like but also

558
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: the same show, but it's different parts of this act.

559
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: I guess that's that's what my question about the record is,

560
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: like in your mind creatively, why did you name it

561
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Speaker 2: and separate them like this?

562
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: I had too many songs and to not be a

563
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: big artist. I'm not on country radio. I'm not supported

564
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: by like a lot of the big.

565
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: Big boys here.

566
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Speaker 1: So I mean I had a lot of songs and

567
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Speaker 1: a lot of creativity, and it's like where do we go?

568
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,479
Speaker 1: So I think that I kind of created this idea

569
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Speaker 1: to show a different side of me in each thing

570
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: and to build a world, three different worlds out of

571
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 1: the different music I make, because that's kind of always

572
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: been a thing too. Was that like not was just

573
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: Sam being himself? But Sam's being so himself, like he's

574
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: this sounds nothing like this, and we like when he

575
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: sings the sad ballads, so why let's do that? And

576
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: I think that I was dying to grow and I'd

577
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: made songs like no Problem, and then when I had

578
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: written Country Star, I was like, I think this is

579
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: a whole thing, and we gotta, like, I want to

580
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: spread this out and introduce my music to people in

581
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: a few different steps, and you know, get to show

582
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: them different sides of me, because nobody else is going

583
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: to do it for me. You know, I can't wait

584
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: on one moment to launch my career and then do

585
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: everything after. I think, you know, it's just industry's changed.

586
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: So I think that with this with Thatt too, truthfully

587
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: and creatively, I'd say the projects kind of revolve around fear, scarlet,

588
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: lonesome from last year. It's more fear of losing love,

589
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 1: losing someone, not finding yourself, you know, kind of the

590
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: the figuring it out Country Star is more so the

591
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: chaos of you know, fear of failure, fear of not

592
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: being yourself. And you know, I think that there's a

593
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: lot of like chaos and mania that comes with the

594
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: hard parts of life and figuring out who you are

595
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: and trying to do it on purpose. And I wanted

596
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: to embrace all the different sides of me, and I

597
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: kind of naturally have a tendency to the darkness get

598
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: into my music somewhere when I'm trying not to. So

599
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: I think songs like killed a man in Tennessee. That's

600
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: a song that's on Act two. You know, there's there's

601
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: hip hop in it, and I'm singing all over it

602
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: and stuff, and it's kind of just me creating something

603
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: new and I'm getting to take ownership of some of

604
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: my story that hasn't fit into the rest of my

605
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: music so far. You know, it's not all sadness that's

606
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: in me, and I think there's a lot of it,

607
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: but people see that on the product. You know what

608
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: I put out more than the joyous and kind of

609
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: driven and dreaming side of me, and that gets to

610
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: come out here.

611
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: Who are your favorite artists? Oh of all time? You're

612
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: gonna give me guidelines or I just start now. I

613
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: would just say you can even do ages because I

614
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: I think the artist listen to growing up. Yeah, shaped you,

615
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: even if you don't realize they shaped you. I think

616
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: about that because when you say Britney Lucky as a kid,

617
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: I really loved.

618
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: Britney Spears probably early Cheetah Girl stage, loved Chris Brown,

619
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: Justin Timberlake for sure. I had the Justin Bieber haircut

620
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: when he came out, and it was it was a problem.

621
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Speaker 2: There was at the flot the bank Flop.

622
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: There was an early jealousy there and I was like,

623
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: is he hot? Do I want to be him?

624
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: Like? What is this?

625
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: And I've kind of always you know, I love Justin

626
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: Bieber too. I think I really loved Tyler Childers when

627
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: he'd first kind of come out right before Purgatory and

628
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: after that, and that shaped a lot of my voice

629
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of at the time, and the writing I was

630
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 1: doing because I think, you know, moving here probably ages

631
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen twenty, I was just trying to absorb writing

632
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 1: as well, like try to listen to a Joni Mitchell record.

633
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: I love Laurie McKenna songwriter, like what did her earlier

634
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: song sound like?

635
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: What do people's songs sound like? That never came out.

636
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of hip hop music, So

637
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I think my favorite artist now would definitely

638
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: be I'm a Big Barb.

639
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: I love Nicki Minaj.

640
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: It's like the creativity, the invention, the determination, and so

641
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: twenty ten's hip hop Drake, Nicki Wayne, I love Jay Cole.

642
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: But on a.

643
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: Daily basis, I probably am one of those more nostalgialists

644
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: that is listening to like your older favorite songs, me

645
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: and my son do a lot of Sean Kingston, old

646
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: Sean Kingston. I throw in some random Hank Williams sometimes

647
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: just to you.

648
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: Try to teach him to get it in there, teach

649
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: him music about who great grandpa was.

650
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean he has plenty of questions. So,

651
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Hanky talkin is the song on Act two

652
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: that's coming out or that you did with Yeah, I'm singing.

653
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: With my grandpa. I did it. Yeah, we were in

654
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: the studio. Yeah. I don't know how to refer to him,

655
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: your grandpa or Hank. Yes, yeah, I mean because I

656
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: watched you. I watched you the announcement of you talking

657
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: about it, and I've seen some stuff where you're like, hey,

658
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this. Was that emotional at all?

659
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: No, it would be for me, you know, if it

660
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: does well, probably, But I mean I've done some stuff

661
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: of I covered I'm So Lonesome I could cry, And

662
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: that was really really special to do because it was

663
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: very reimagined and new chords to it, kind of a

664
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: new thing and honky Tonking I wanted to do something

665
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: fun and exciting and have another record on Act two

666
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: that you know, ties pieces of my story together. There's

667
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: just a lot there, and I want to do something

668
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: that was kind of campy and that was fun and

669
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: not you know, I'm not trying to have a songwriting

670
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: exercise competition here, and I do that too much. I

671
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: want to do the perfect little anecdote, you know. And

672
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: it actually wrote a couple of different versions of Honky

673
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: Tonkin and came to one that just felt like the

674
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: perfect amount of quirkiness and polish, but you know, also

675
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: just fun. And the tag and the pedal steel feels

676
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: so so so long ago, so seventy five years ago,

677
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: and it also sounds like, you know, the music being

678
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: made nowadays.

679
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: And uh.

680
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: With I think with my kid, my son, with Hank Senior,

681
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: he has more questions about did pop pop sing the

682
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: national anthem at super this?

683
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: You know a little bit more of that? And pop

684
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: pops your dad, yeah, which is his grandfather.

685
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, my dad goes pop pop for most grandkids. So,

686
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he has many questions, but it's it's a

687
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: lot to understand for him. I think there's a lot

688
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: of loss in my family and there has been from

689
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: a long time before me and a lot since me.

690
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: So I think it's you know, it's probably a lot

691
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: to take in, you know. I mean, my dad was

692
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: on Post Malone's album.

693
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: That was the.

694
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: Coolest thing ever to him. You know, He's like, did

695
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: they what did they do? I'm like, I don't think

696
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: they met. He's got a pretty cool name. Yeah, but

697
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean I think that, you know, he does a

698
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: great job with it. I think I did. I do

699
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 1: pretty great with it.

700
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: Now. It's a lot of pressure. But as a kid,

701
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: it was like type in on Google. It was scary,

702
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: did you Yeah, I guess you could find out stuff

703
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: on Google. Yeah.

704
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: Google was around, and I guess two thousand and seven

705
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: I was ten. Yeah one Google. I was like, how

706
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: many results? No, you're Tennyson? Yes, what's where's the name

707
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: come from?

708
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: It's actually a writer, Alfred Lord Tennyson.

709
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: He's a British poet a long time ago with the

710
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: Lightning Brigade.

711
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

712
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: So I think I was trying to have him pass

713
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: at the Supreme Court Justice test, like is it that interesting?

714
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: You know? Do you want him to do music? No?

715
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: I don't.

716
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: I think he could be great probably anything he'd like

717
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: to do, and he may want to.

718
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: But do you think your dad felt exactly the same

719
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: way about you. Yeah, yeah, And now do you understand.

720
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: My dad used to say he's going to be a

721
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: senator all the time.

722
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: Never had the desire to be a senator.

723
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: I did, though, you did, Yeah, I sure did. I

724
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: totally wanted to do that.

725
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: Why, well, it's not like past tense. You still can't

726
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: do it. You're still very young. But why I guess

727
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: nowadays you can do whatever you want. Did you just

728
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: say it and then you can do it? Boom? Yeah?

729
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: So you still maybe want to do politics. I don't know.

730
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it depends on how I look at thirty nine.

731
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: If it's really given politics, if it's really given like

732
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: thirty nine, if it's given like House of Representatives, yeah,

733
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: and microphone in suits and tailored suits, then if we

734
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: might just have to do it. You like being on stage, yeah, me,

735
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: And I like when people know what they're talking about.

736
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: I don't like when people have no idea what they're

737
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: talking about.

738
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: I don't understand.

739
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: Keep going like you know, everybody has a microphone and

740
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: platform a lot nowadays, there's a there's an oversaturation to it.

741
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: And that's in more than just you know, commentary, it's

742
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: in everything. I don't think it would have worked out though.

743
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: If I would have been a senator, my dad would

744
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: have been really mad if it would have worked out.

745
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: Because it doesn't align. Yeah, it would.

746
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: It would have just been a disconnect. It would have

747
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: been like, you know, storm the Capitol. It would I

748
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: don't know, yeah, I feel yeah.

749
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: How many shows are you doing? Now? Are you playing

750
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: a bunch this summer?

751
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: It has been like CMA Fest just happened to me,

752
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: really really busy. I just had to operat the other night,

753
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: kind of last minute, and trying to plan some stuff

754
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: around the album coming out. But the rest of the

755
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: year is a little bit open right now, and it's

756
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: figuring out the rest of music everything just that I'm

757
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: working on. And I'd really love to get a tour

758
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: for the end of this year, but I don't have

759
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: anything announced right now.

760
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: Where do you feel you can be the most creative,

761
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: And I'll give you an example. Mine is setting. Mine

762
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: is a shower because I have no phone. I would,

763
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: but it get wet so I can't. I do all

764
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: my glasses on and it's like the only time and

765
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: only space I have where really nothing can get to me,

766
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: and it's where my mind is the freest, and I'll

767
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: and I come up with more mostly bad ideas, but

768
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: every once in a while one it's pretty good, Like

769
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: mine is the shower. That's where I'm probably inspired the most.

770
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: Where is it for you?

771
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: Well, I think the most to to just songwriting, and

772
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm just on the ground, Like I write pen and paper,

773
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: so or highlighter and paper?

774
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: You still write? Yeah? Yeah, I say still you probably

775
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 2: always written pin of paper? Then huh yep? Why why

776
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: not a laptop? Why not your phone? I don't know.

777
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: Well, I like to make like it's just about placement.

778
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: I'm a visual learner.

779
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: I have to make a whole like it's just I

780
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: don't know how to describe it. But if I'm writing

781
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: like a lot of words, I don't know if I'm

782
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: going to use these words or what they mean. Like

783
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: I gotta make like a bubble type map and look

784
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: at them and figure out how I'm putting them together

785
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: and what is what am I actually saying? But that's

786
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: to do with music though, like actual good ideas for life,

787
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: I have no idea where I think of those that

788
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: I want to figure out.

789
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the

790
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: Bobby cast.

791
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 2: Can you write by schedule meaning I'm gonna write ten

792
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: am tomorrow and at ten am you sit down, you write,

793
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: not alone?

794
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: No, I mean co writes all the time, so like, yeah,

795
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: it's my job.

796
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: But scheduled writing with others. But if it it's just yourself,

797
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do as well.

798
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: No, it'd be more when am I like actually, aha,

799
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: you know I think by myself it would just.

800
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: Feel more, feel more forced.

801
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: It's like you need to have this piece of content

802
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: up at this time blah blah blah, and you need

803
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: to feel like this in it.

804
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 2: You know. Do you feel the constant pressure to constantly

805
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: produce content you don't understand? Yeah, oh I'm sure you do.

806
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: But when you're when you haven't had like big moments yet,

807
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: like it's just this is just a different thing now.

808
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's not all about the just making music anymore.

809
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: It's about what are you? And believe me, like I

810
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: I do my best to be me as as I can,

811
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: but you know, you got to be very out there.

812
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: Some of my friends like are the big like Lana fans.

813
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: They're like, oh my gosh, dude, if Lana had to

814
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: come out now with like everything that we do. I

815
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: don't think she would have won to keep at it

816
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: for long enough to become.

817
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: Like a legend. You know. It's just it's just kind

818
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: of staying the course. What are you gonna do?

819
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm always complaining my managers, like, are you just gonna

820
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: give up?

821
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: Sam? You're gonna give.

822
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: Up because your video, you know, it's just a lot

823
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: bigger than that. But uh, we get bogged down with

824
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff now. But it's like, it's

825
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: just the noise.

826
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: Do you feel I guess there are a couple of

827
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: ways you can feel about this At times. I know

828
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: that I feel annoyed if I have something I'm really

829
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: happy with and proud of in a post and it

830
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: doesn't do anything, and that can be frustrating. It could

831
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: be very frustrating. Like I put a lot of work,

832
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: a lot of time, a lot of effort. I'm like, man,

833
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: I think this should really do well, and it doesn't.

834
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: That's frustrating. Oh yeah it is. But then there are

835
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 2: times where I do the stupidest thing and it's like, oh, look, Dawn,

836
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: it's got one point one million stupid views and that's

837
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: cool and all. But I'm like, I really there's the

838
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: stuff I want to matter, Yeah, matter, do I get frustrated?

839
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: Probably it's like always the thing that you're looking forward

840
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: to that you worked too to like announce or like do,

841
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: and it's like mmm, yeah, you know that is definitely

842
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: for us trading. But I mean, I don't know, it's

843
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: like what are you gonna do? I think we, me

844
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: and my team probably have conversations like this all the

845
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: time because I want to give people, you know, different

846
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: worlds of music, different sounds, different looks.

847
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: You know.

848
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm really in tune with my fashion and image and

849
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: what am I saying and how does it?

850
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: You know?

851
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: And I think that it's just so damn fast now

852
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: that like a lot of that doesn't even catch up

853
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: with people. It's just a different time. I think the

854
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: people that are amazing at it, I'm like astounded by,

855
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: like how do you do this?

856
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: Like just never miss a beat? In a way.

857
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: I've been really proud of Dasha, you know. I mean

858
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: Dasha's one song. I knew Dasha a little bit before,

859
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, before the song, and her whole life is

860
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: like you know, craziness now and it's and it's it's

861
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: running with it and she's done a really awesome job

862
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: at it, and I think that a lot of people

863
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: don't get credit for when you do get something and

864
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: you got to handle your whole life, you know, from there.

865
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think where part would be frustrating

866
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: that it doesn't pop. What you just said there is

867
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: kind of the hope is that there really isn't like

868
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: a single gatekeeper anymore, and anything could pop off at

869
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 2: any time. Literally, Yeah, and your life could be changed

870
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: in three days because something catches and it spreads and

871
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: then there's the spotlight on you by the people that

872
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: want to invest in you. And yeah, I really could

873
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 2: all change like that, and the only way to actually

874
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: make it change is to keep working. Yeah.

875
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that, you know, I probably, like

876
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: everyone else, sometimes let the fear and that anything else

877
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: get in the way of, you know, trying to subscribe

878
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: to that. I think adding Honky talking to my project

879
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna do something fun and it's my

880
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: legacy and I'm gonna say stuff that they're gonna be

881
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: like why did he even say that? Just because that's

882
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: just how I am. And you know, that was like

883
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: a fun thing to add to this. And I have

884
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: another album coming out after and it's like, yeah, I

885
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: may not be the best at making tiktoks all the

886
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: time and like trying to make them swaggy or sexy

887
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: or like so funny ha ha.

888
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: I'm just not really like that. I don't know.

889
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: I can't find the time of the day too. I

890
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: guess I'm busy and it's just a new thing. I

891
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: kind of feel old like trying to get it and

892
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: I'm not.

893
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: But I do.

894
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: I know I'm good at the making music and the

895
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: telling a story and you know, making taking somewhere someone

896
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: somewhere different when they're listening, you know. So I mean

897
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: I think maybe maybe this will maybe this will blow

898
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: over in a couple of years.

899
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it is. It's still in the fashion.

900
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, power rank your favorite brands, your favorite brands, Yeah,

901
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: I'll go, I'll match you one for one, Okay.

902
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 1: I mean I have like cheap favorite brands too. Back

903
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: into old Navy again.

904
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: But if I were to say you get five unlimited

905
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 2: for a whole day, what brand do you go to first?

906
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: It could be any brand, any clothing brand. I wear a.

907
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: Lot of fix clothing. It's in London. These are fixed

908
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: the g Yeah, probably this shirt too.

909
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: These are like a.

910
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: Rolling Stones collection. Okay, I'm gonna think of right now today.

911
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 2: I want like one store you get to go into

912
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: any store and have everything you want, because for me,

913
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: it's probably like Bottega. Okay, that's probably my number one.

914
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: I don't have anything from there, but I would go

915
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: to Christian Dior because I like the vibe.

916
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: And the resale is crazy. You have the saddle bags.

917
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: I just I've always wanted one of those.

918
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: I've gone in there and looked at one so many times, no,

919
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: and I was not getting it.

920
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: Just to recheck it real quick, like the dude saddle bags, Yeah, yeah,

921
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 2: they're awesome.

922
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: And just the little ones. I just kind of like them. Yeah,

923
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna I'm gonna put in a dumb

924
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: one and say, uh, Tractor Supply because there's so much

925
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: I could get in there and have someone help me

926
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: put at my house or Tracked.

927
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: What Supplies fun is they have everything people do. It's

928
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: like if they don't know, they don't know it's not

929
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: a tractor store track and I Supply has everything they do. Yeah,

930
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: it's like you're going into Kmart. There's a little bit

931
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: of everything.

932
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: And I just like their corny southern kind of like

933
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: stuff out there. I'm like, oh, this windmill with a cow,

934
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: love it.

935
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: It does have cracker barrel vibes and part of it. Well,

936
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: I'm just in that era of my life.

937
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure one day, if i'm you know, rich and

938
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: have something else, I want my house to look like

939
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: this lion out here.

940
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: But for right now, you don't want the lion. Yeah,

941
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: you get a plastic one. Don't have to worry about

942
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: how I have you that thing is.

943
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think I could use some accessories,

944
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go Swarowski.

945
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 2: I used to like that as a kid.

946
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to always get like a pen and

947
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with my pen, like you know. Yeah yeah,

948
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: And I'm blanking kind of so much today.

949
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 2: But I've never had anything from Marnie. Yeah, so that'd

950
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: be fun to go look at. I guess I had

951
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 2: a couple of coalies from Marnie.

952
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, see, I'd want some of those those fuzzy

953
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: ones that I'm never washing. I'm never even put them

954
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: somewhere for someone to get clean. I'm really bad at laundry.

955
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: You send it the dry cleaner though. That's why I

956
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 2: do anything that I'm scared of it, like getting messed

957
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: up right to the dry cleaner. I take it off

958
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: right when I get home, hang it right back up

959
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: because I don't want to have to send it to

960
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: be cleaned at all, because it loses like generations of wear. Yeah,

961
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 2: but then every once in a while you got to

962
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: send it in.

963
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: I was in a rush here and didn't know what

964
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna wear. Was calling somebody and my son's

965
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: in the car. My son's in the car, and he

966
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: was like, okay, and I'd like to wear this old

967
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: navy blue and white kind of floral jacket with blue

968
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: and white Versace sneakers. And he had it all together

969
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: and he was like this and this, are you gonna

970
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: wear that? I was like, no, I'm not. I'm sorry,

971
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: but it is good.

972
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: Talk to me for a second about Versace. It's just

973
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: too loud for me. Most of stuff from Versace I

974
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't like.

975
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: But like one thing like I have, like sneakers, like

976
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: all see that I really love. But if it was

977
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: like print, you know, I think they make more. They

978
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: make more beautiful, interesting stuff. I think the fashion house

979
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: is more it's it's more women. You know, Versace's men's

980
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: stuff isn't as strong as the as the women's and

981
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: the accessories.

982
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to be selling cocaine Miami.

983
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 2: They need to be me if I'm worry Versace. Yeah,

984
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: if I'm warning men's Versaca, I need to be like

985
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: on a jet boat selling cocaine.

986
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: Or like twenty fifteen in the Migos.

987
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: Though fair enough so too, but I'm not that like me.

988
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: I'm not. Well, look, I'm super pumped for you. Why'd

989
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: you put Hockey Talking out last? Though? Of all these

990
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 2: songs in this project? Actually, I mean I made it last,

991
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: and that makes all the sense.

992
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: Then hopefully you know, it's just be save the biggest

993
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: bang for last. Yeah, I guess, And you know, I

994
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: mean I want to get all my videos done for

995
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: the project and everything and let people rock with stuff.

996
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: Putting Country Star out first was definitely like I wanted

997
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: to make it clear this is a new thing and

998
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: get people to see that it's a you know, kind

999
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: of a new world of music for Acto with Country

1000
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: Star first, And I think Hockey Talking is just like

1001
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: the nice bow to it to me was.

1002
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: That the most is that well, because it hasn't out

1003
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: yet as we're talking about it, but it will be

1004
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: by the time we're talking about it, So I guess

1005
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: I'm talking about it in present tents like it's already out,

1006
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 2: all right, I bet? Yeah? There are you with me? Yeah,

1007
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: I'm there?

1008
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1009
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Was this the most excited you wear of any

1010
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 2: of the songs to come out this project? I am

1011
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: really really excited about it.

1012
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: I was really excited about Country Star too, because I

1013
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: was like, yes, like I need people.

1014
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: To hear this. We named the whole thing after it. Yeah,

1015
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's just it's just the world

1016
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: of it.

1017
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: But I think that this probably is the most exciting

1018
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: because people love it or hate it.

1019
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: And I already know that.

1020
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm not even looking at the comment stuff yet, but

1021
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: like people love it and they're like, I love this

1022
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: creativity of this kid and like doing something brand new

1023
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: with something big that was put on him and doing

1024
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: a good job of it. And some people are going

1025
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: to be like hire arms rolling in the grave, you know,

1026
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: and that's uh, that's okay. It's okay because I had

1027
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: fun with it, and the people that rock with me,

1028
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: I think that they know it's a it's a.

1029
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: Super fun record. I'll tell you that. It's a hello

1030
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna tell him he probably doesn't even

1031
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: remember that day. No, it wasn't like a very eventful day.

1032
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't like both of us left going

1033
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: what a crazy day that was. I think the virility

1034
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: of that video ended up being bigger to me than

1035
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: I ever expected it, because it wasn't like some crazy moment.

1036
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I tank he wants to go

1037
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: all right, He's got a big personality. That's his big personality.

1038
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: That's really how I felt about it.

1039
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I've just been that. I've been around that

1040
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: for twenty eight years, so like I'm just I don't know.

1041
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: I didn't think anything of it.

1042
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell him, I sai Hello, okay, I'm sure will.

1043
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: I've never been less of a fan because of it,

1044
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: and people have asked that and it gets brought up occasionally,

1045
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: because that thing just continues to like live lives and

1046
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 2: I'm like love him just as much.

1047
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: As say, hey, Bobby Bone said, you know, you're welcome

1048
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: and if you can have a cigar, if you want one.

1049
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: You can have one anytime you want around me, have

1050
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 2: no problem with bring your own. Yes, yeah, Sam, good

1051
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: to me, you man, Thank you so much, Bobby, thank you.

1052
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: And so I'm not crazy. Your name it's a V

1053
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: in Williams right and on Instagram? Yeah, yeah, it's V

1054
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: in place of a A. Yeah, why'd you do that? Honestly,

1055
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: it was.

1056
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: A long time ago when I made that account of

1057
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: the account, and uh, it just felt cool to me.

1058
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: And me and my half brother Shelton aren't close.

1059
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: He's not close with a lot, and you know, I'm

1060
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: we're the same generation, except he's definitely a generation older

1061
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: than me. But technically, you know, we're both my dad's sons.

1062
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: And I think it met something like that to me then,

1063
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: But that's just how it is. So if I need

1064
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: to change my Instagram name, have.

1065
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 2: They told you to change the V to the A

1066
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 2: so people can find you? I don't care.

1067
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: They should just see my face and be like, oh,

1068
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: that's the guy.

1069
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's clearly the guy. Times that pictures really little though,

1070
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: because when I was letting up all your stuff, I

1071
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: was like, is this him with a V on it?

1072
00:47:59,000 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: So then I had to go in.

1073
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: I said, I gotta be in black and white. Congratulations

1074
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: on the record, Thank you so much. Man, you feel

1075
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: good about it, like that's the win.

1076
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1077
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I need people to to rock

1078
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: with me and stream it, but it's about also finding

1079
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: your audience. It wasn't easy for me here to not

1080
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: be the same cut of cloth. That's the that's the

1081
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: more accepted deal.

1082
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: That's the deal.

1083
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: So you know it's risky, but uh, you know, hopefully

1084
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: worthwhile in the long run.

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Speaker 2: Sam Williams with a V on Instagram. Sam Williams, Where

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Speaker 2: the AA is so, Sam Wilm, Sam, good to see you, buddy.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production