Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
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Speaker 1: four days until the NFL Draft. We are back in
Speaker 1: the lone star state, at least for half of the
Speaker 1: table or other half has been diving in to NFL
Speaker 1: Draft prospects over the past couple of weeks. With eighty
Speaker 1: four days left, the Senior Bowl is now in the
Speaker 1: rearview mirror and we're back with the crew of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show with Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, I'm Kyle Yeoman's. Thanks for joining us here
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio and guys Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: in the past, and I think Dave and I would
Speaker 1: both agree that you two were the ones that won
Speaker 1: that battle in terms of the weather that you didn't
Speaker 1: have to go through being out at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: You got to sit in your cozy ac heater and
Speaker 1: watch some drapp bole practices, but man, it was cold
Speaker 1: out there, and I'm glad to be back in a
Speaker 1: st WBC Mortgage Studios completely agreed. We did not win.
Speaker 1: We did not win. Why is that? Being at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl's fun? It was fun. I'm not allowed to
Speaker 1: go anymore. I'm sorry. They say I got too important.
Speaker 1: You're a radio big shot. Yeah they can't. They can't
Speaker 1: make it without me anymore. I remember when you and
Speaker 1: KT snuck off that one year and drove yourselves. I
Speaker 1: used vacation days. Yeah, I had to use vacation days
Speaker 1: to go balls at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, I wanted
Speaker 1: to go. That just means you're committed to your craft.
Speaker 1: We checked into our hotel room at a three am, okay,
Speaker 1: and they put us into our room where they give
Speaker 1: us our room keys. And as we walk in, there's
Speaker 1: an open bag of Dorito's, two open Mountain Dews luggage
Speaker 1: that's opened with stuff in it and strewn across the floor.
Speaker 1: And we walked right down. We're like, um, our room's
Speaker 1: not empty. It's the Senior Bowl experience, like mid quality hotels,
Speaker 1: not great weather, really good football players though, yes, yeah
Speaker 1: the mobile dream Yeah, good food food. I'm jealous. You
Speaker 1: guys got to watch Denzel Mims run route in person,
Speaker 1: and I know we only played like two hours down
Speaker 1: the road man probably twelve opportunities to see him play
Speaker 1: earlier this year. Yeah, well, shots fired at kat. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to a lot of Baylor game. You know
Speaker 1: what's really funny is Denzel Mims seems like he stole
Speaker 1: a lot of people's hearts, which I mean he's got
Speaker 1: he's got the tape to go with it, obviously, but
Speaker 1: like a lot of people were talking about him at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, and I think it just goes to
Speaker 1: show how loaded this receiver classes that I watched all
Speaker 1: three days of practices and I was taken with about
Speaker 1: three or four other guys before Mems was even on
Speaker 1: my radar. Well, I liked Mims's tape already at Baylor,
Speaker 1: so I was kind of like, okay, what everyone saw
Speaker 1: this right when he did it the last three years
Speaker 1: at Baylor, Like good production. And that's his up and
Speaker 1: down of a program you could have had over the
Speaker 1: last three years. Sure, Okay, So I'm sitting there going
Speaker 1: so now he's everyone's sweetheart. I liked him from the beginning,
Speaker 1: and I liked him so much that he's my thirteenth
Speaker 1: ranked wide receiver on my board. That's kind of point. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: that's kind of my point is like he is, he's
Speaker 1: a damn good player. But again, like have fun stacking
Speaker 1: up this receiver class like I thought. I thought kJ
Speaker 1: Hill from Ohio State was like the toast of Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl week. Man, he was out there making people look silly.
Speaker 1: Those guys are stacked up like club sandwiches on my board.
Speaker 1: It's terrifying to try to store out the early pet
Speaker 1: cat of Jeff Cavanaugh, Michael Pittman junior that was out
Speaker 1: there the first couple of days of practice, and then
Speaker 1: you had Antonio Gandy Golden that looked good from Liberty
Speaker 1: for a little bit. I mean, there were so many
Speaker 1: receivers that really just jumped off the page, jumped off
Speaker 1: the field. You can immediately Chase Claypool. Claypool was great
Speaker 1: all week, Evin duvern Age, one Jennings. So I have Jefferson,
Speaker 1: Jeff is the Jeff is the wide receiver guy. Right.
Speaker 1: So when I always don't put pressure on me, I
Speaker 1: always want to put pressure on But I have on
Speaker 1: my board and this is the back of the third
Speaker 1: round grade right here, okay. And then I added three
Speaker 1: to four on my wide receivers. I'm gonna do two
Speaker 1: on my wide receivers. I have got him stacked up
Speaker 1: like this. Here's my third round grades going down. Michael Pittman,
Speaker 1: Devin du Verney, too low fine, John high Tower, haven't
Speaker 1: seen him, Denzel Mims, and then kJ Hill of Ohio
Speaker 1: State and Tonio Gandy, Golden Quintez Cepist from Wisconsin's very interesting, okay.
Speaker 1: And then leading off the fourth round Van Jefferson from Florida, Florida,
Speaker 1: Colin Johnson from Texas not too far down, like it's
Speaker 1: just loaded, and I this is this is not gonna
Speaker 1: work like there there's just it's gonna work. Well, no, No,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like there's gonna a lot of
Speaker 1: good players who are disappointed at their NFL paychecks for
Speaker 1: the rookie contract, and there's there's some round guys who're
Speaker 1: gonna get drafted in the fifth round. That's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Be a lot of happy NFL teams that where they
Speaker 1: can get some badass receivers. Hopefully the Cowboys included. Denzel
Speaker 1: Mims isn't going in the third round. That's what I
Speaker 1: was kind of gonna go to as well. You have
Speaker 1: him that so that's your third round. Grow. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: thought you liked him, you thought you were like two
Speaker 1: sleeconds ago. I love him. I got him in the second.
Speaker 1: I think I've got him low second as well. He's good.
Speaker 1: If you've got him low two, then then he's going ninety.
Speaker 1: Is the law of averages, like some of these guys
Speaker 1: have to fall. That's how it's gonna the NFL. They
Speaker 1: can take anything's gonna be eighteen receivers aren't gonna get
Speaker 1: drafted in the second round, like I don't know that
Speaker 1: I do. That's where I got him. All great, I
Speaker 1: do know every one of them is the second round
Speaker 1: for you're gonna have You're gonna have a guy with
Speaker 1: a two next to his name sitting there on day three.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that right now. And that's not a
Speaker 1: knock at your twos right now or Te Higgins, Michael Pittman,
Speaker 1: Levisca Chenault, Denzel Mims, and Brandon I because I don't think.
Speaker 1: I I'm just saying, wow, it's gonna happen for you,
Speaker 1: Like a guy's gonna be there on day three. That
Speaker 1: you're shocked he's still there. Oh yeah, and then we'll
Speaker 1: pick him. Yeah hope. So there's guys in the sixth
Speaker 1: round here you're going, that's a good player, and that
Speaker 1: normally never happens. So like, that's totally gonna happen this
Speaker 1: year in the wide receiver group. And I think if
Speaker 1: there were a year to have it happen in terms
Speaker 1: of wide receivers for Dallas, because there are so many
Speaker 1: different positions of need, I think the best year to
Speaker 1: have a deep wide receiver class like that where you
Speaker 1: could address some of those needs in the third or
Speaker 1: the fourth round. I think this year might have been
Speaker 1: the perfect scenario. And it kind of sucks, I guess
Speaker 1: to be an NFL wide receiver that's a free agent, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you're going, okay, well, there's a lot of teams
Speaker 1: you're just gonna go, well, I know what this draft
Speaker 1: class is gonna wait, it's legitimately anything you need slot guy,
Speaker 1: big slot outside guy, a possession wide receiver. You know
Speaker 1: you can you have pretty much everything you need in multiples,
Speaker 1: and normally there might just be there's really just one
Speaker 1: pure slot separator that I really need to have. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I get like five of them right now, the top
Speaker 1: one hundred twenty maybe, and that's where it's gotta be
Speaker 1: very difficult. But to bring it back home, this is
Speaker 1: where the whole like hen Randall Cobb's going to be here,
Speaker 1: and this team is probably not gonna do any of
Speaker 1: that stuff, but they can get a good player and
Speaker 1: develop him. In round five, you can get a guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Michael Gallup pick at eighty one,
Speaker 1: we were all shocked that he was still there or
Speaker 1: when that happened. You're gonna get that same type of
Speaker 1: feeling if this team pulls the trigger on a wide
Speaker 1: receiver on day three somewhere, because you'll go, ok, that
Speaker 1: might be a pretty good player who can help us
Speaker 1: down the line. I feel exactly the same way. Why
Speaker 1: don't you just let his statements stand then? Yes, say
Speaker 1: say that was good enough? Katie, This is exactly yeah,
Speaker 1: Well you just wanted to hear yourself say shut up.
Speaker 1: I agree, shut up, Jeff Yea. In terms of Denzel
Speaker 1: MAM's I feel like we can all kind of agree
Speaker 1: that his stock rose a little bit during the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl week, right sure, ago, So that's well, yeah, the
Speaker 1: problem is your school is the problem Baylor when you
Speaker 1: watch him play, he runs stop routes, slant routes, and
Speaker 1: fly routes. But it was Baylor is so simple, so
Speaker 1: you have no idea what the guy, just like Coy
Speaker 1: Coleman coming out, but nod what he can do. He
Speaker 1: can run fast. It was a little different. It's still
Speaker 1: limited in terms of a route tree, but there was
Speaker 1: more to it than Corey Coleman. And that's where I
Speaker 1: put a little more stock into his tape than I
Speaker 1: did Corey Coleman. So I was never terribly high on
Speaker 1: to be honest, Like, there is a little more when
Speaker 1: Matt Rule came in, there was a little more a
Speaker 1: difference to the offensive scheme, but it's not you know,
Speaker 1: it's run an occasional dig. Yeah, you know, here's a
Speaker 1: couple of outward break four rounds. But we'll talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about him, I know in the third segment,
Speaker 1: because I can we tease a head to the third segment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jeff has three draft scenarios, which we've gotten a lot
Speaker 1: of questions about this, so like it's well timed. Yes,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna break down like different options you could
Speaker 1: take in the first three rounds correct, yep, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: different players in different rounds, and then where you would
Speaker 1: go in the following rounds depending on where you went
Speaker 1: in the first is kind of where we're gonna hit
Speaker 1: at before. We gonna be exciting before we do that, though,
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I mean, me and Kyle spent the whole
Speaker 1: week together, we compared notes, we did shows down there,
Speaker 1: so I feel like we're pretty on the same page.
Speaker 1: But was there anything else from Senior Bowl that jumped
Speaker 1: out to you in terms of a position, group or
Speaker 1: a player. Shout out to the NFL Network for showing
Speaker 1: a lot of this. That's I mean, you can, you can.
Speaker 1: It's not quite as good as being at lad People's Stadium, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you can follow the Senior Bowl better than ever
Speaker 1: before at this point. Got a pretty good hunk of
Speaker 1: Dayton tape that came in during during Senior Bowl week,
Speaker 1: our secret secret underground tunnel that we that we got
Speaker 1: and got to watch even more Troutman tape. And and
Speaker 1: then when he went and did we did the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: I went, okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I'm comfortable. So you like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I liked him. I liked him on watching
Speaker 1: two games on YouTube, and then when the dayton load
Speaker 1: came in through our little secret thing that we have,
Speaker 1: I was starting going, Okay, yeah, this is a legit
Speaker 1: player because it's not just like a couple quick flashes.
Speaker 1: It's every single game manning up and beasting on dudes
Speaker 1: and then going in doing it's Division one guys. At
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Troutman was huge last week. I thought
Speaker 1: this is a perfect segue because it's something I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about since I saw him. And then another one
Speaker 1: is obviously Kyle Dugger, the lenor Ryan Safety. Everybody's in
Speaker 1: love with him. I had no less than three people
Speaker 1: who would know tell me that he's a top fifty prospect.
Speaker 1: But my question is for anybody that wants to answer it,
Speaker 1: Cowboys drafting either of those guys based on their history
Speaker 1: under Will McClay, that's what I can't get past. No,
Speaker 1: probably not, And where you would have to take him
Speaker 1: would be your second round pick? Eat both of them? Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: both of those guys, because neither one would be an
Speaker 1: option seventeen, I would imagine, and I don't think they
Speaker 1: still Ryan seventeen, and I don't think they'd still be
Speaker 1: there at eighty one. Either I would take a small
Speaker 1: school talented guy over a big school guy that's not
Speaker 1: very good well and made that mistake. Kind of playing
Speaker 1: off of that. Kyle Dugger did get a chance to
Speaker 1: talk about that during the Senior Bowl week. We've got
Speaker 1: a clip from Dugger in the conversation that he had
Speaker 1: kind of talking about the kind of player that Kyle
Speaker 1: Dugger believes you would get if you drafted him. Some
Speaker 1: people don't think necessarily just because I went to a
Speaker 1: small school that I should have had the opportunity to
Speaker 1: be here, and others just feel like I won't have
Speaker 1: success here um and doctors can't make the adjustment. Things
Speaker 1: like that. Just really a lot of doubts on just
Speaker 1: coming from the small school and me not being able
Speaker 1: to have success. Um. I feel like it's definitely an
Speaker 1: underdog mentality. UM. I guess you would call that pride
Speaker 1: and kind of make them together. But uh, it's gonna
Speaker 1: it's always gonna be there. I don't know, it's it's
Speaker 1: something that's that's going to be pretty permanent for me.
Speaker 1: It's having that pride in that and that underdog mentality.
Speaker 1: So I feel like it's going to show up a lot,
Speaker 1: especially when I'm allowed to touch the field and really
Speaker 1: start feeling it and let the passionate intensity kind of
Speaker 1: come out. So that's what you're gonna get from Kyle Dugger.
Speaker 1: He knows what's kind of ahead of him in terms
Speaker 1: of being that small school guy. And I like what
Speaker 1: you had to say, Jeff saying I would rather take
Speaker 1: a small school guy that can ball over a big
Speaker 1: school guy that might have some question marks. Well, and
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten Leonora Ryan tape yet, have fun finding
Speaker 1: it's hard to find. When we get some Lenora Ryan tape,
Speaker 1: I can get better feelings on that individual player. And
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. We're Will McClay. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's on the record where they would prefer it to
Speaker 1: be a big school guy. But I think that there's
Speaker 1: there's a lot when you're talking about what do I
Speaker 1: want in a prospect. I want him to have gone
Speaker 1: to a big school, had incredible production and test great. Okay, sweet,
Speaker 1: that guy gets picked in the top five. Sure, So
Speaker 1: now which part can we start to take away and
Speaker 1: figure out? Okay, where does he go? Like, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think they're afraid of the small school guy.
Speaker 1: If it's the right guy, they would prefer everybody would prefer,
Speaker 1: because it's a lot easier to watch a guy play
Speaker 1: against LSU then Bama, then Auburn and evaluate him that way.
Speaker 1: But I believe in this this scouting staff and Will
Speaker 1: McClay that if if they think that that dude's a player,
Speaker 1: that they'll take him wherever he's from. I think I
Speaker 1: would just need to see it to believe it, because
Speaker 1: I mean I went back. I mean, you know, Will's
Speaker 1: basically he's been on top of the draft board since
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen and they've taken players from small school wasn't
Speaker 1: that time obviously, Like you're not always going to get
Speaker 1: to draft guys from blue blood programs. But their idea
Speaker 1: of a small school guy is Central Michigan Boyse, Central Florida,
Speaker 1: Central Florida, or you know, I'm I'm sure forgetting some
Speaker 1: other guys that went to some smaller Division one. It's no,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. They haven't drafted fcs since twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: BBW web and actually JJ Wilcox was in that draw
Speaker 1: draft before Georgia Southern jumped up. Kyle Dugger is not
Speaker 1: shaped like b W Web, you know, BW Web is
Speaker 1: a tiny guy you're kind of taking a chance on.
Speaker 1: They haven't drafted in Division two players since two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine, which I believe was a quasi usa asa.
Speaker 1: I hope I didn't, But you got there eventually. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like dugger. Here are your three games if you at
Speaker 1: home want to follow along, And here's his tape that's
Speaker 1: on YouTube. Okay, oh I got okay, it's a twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen it gets to school them, twenty nineteen it gets
Speaker 1: to mars Hill, and twenty eighteen it gets North Greensville,
Speaker 1: So good luck with that. But but here's the thing,
Speaker 1: here's why I would keep my coming into the year.
Speaker 1: Stain Hill, that's a local high school. I still like
Speaker 1: this player to creative school. Tight End Jared Pintney of Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1: I still like him coming into the year. I know
Speaker 1: draftnicks around the world were going, oh, he's tighten one
Speaker 1: going in this year. And then Vanderbilt's offense was such garbage.
Speaker 1: He had like twenty catches, but all week at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, Peintney could not get free because Ugger was
Speaker 1: eating him alive. Well, and I was going to ask
Speaker 1: that same question. This kind of goes the opposite way
Speaker 1: of what Dave was saying a moment ago. It's easy
Speaker 1: to say, hey, your stock was rising from the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl because there's a lot of guys that stand out.
Speaker 1: Pinney was one of the guys that I said his
Speaker 1: stock kind of went down a little bit. Maybe not
Speaker 1: because individually he was dominated by by Kyle Dugger. I
Speaker 1: just wasn't necessarily impressed. He had a couple of drops
Speaker 1: in practice that I didn't like. It seemed like one
Speaker 1: on one drills. He wasn't necessarily up to par as well.
Speaker 1: But who were some other guys that you saw that
Speaker 1: maybe saw their stock drop a little bit over the
Speaker 1: week in Mobile? It's interesting. I was not impressed at
Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks at all. And I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people were like, oh, Herbert solidified a top fifteen pick.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't see that. But again I was
Speaker 1: not there on the ground for every throwing drill. And
Speaker 1: he's going in the top fifty I know, and that's
Speaker 1: it's great news. I hope he does and send him
Speaker 1: on up the board Jordan Love. But I was watching
Speaker 1: the quartersons go. Man, there's a lot of bad throws here,
Speaker 1: but um, you know, there's some of those guys who
Speaker 1: are trying to cling on to the Anthony Gordon's and
Speaker 1: the Monteses of the world too. And I just sat
Speaker 1: there and went, this seems like a weaker quarterback class
Speaker 1: than we've had in past years. Um, but again, just
Speaker 1: watching watching on the NFL network is way different than
Speaker 1: being No, I'm on the ground and mobile like you
Speaker 1: guys were. I would agree with that for the most part.
Speaker 1: I thought Herbert and Love were good. But and but
Speaker 1: the rest, I mean, I just don't think the rest
Speaker 1: of those guys. Maybe Anthony Gordon does, but like Shaye
Speaker 1: Patterson Jalen Hurts, Patterson's not NFL No, I know it's
Speaker 1: Shaye Patterson, Jalen Hurts, Like, those guys do not have
Speaker 1: lengthy NFL careers in front of them. I do not
Speaker 1: think the Colorado quarterback probably saying, um, you were pretty
Speaker 1: high on Anthony Gordon. Though I like Anthony Gordon, and
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I've watched way more Washington
Speaker 1: State football than is reasonable because they're always on at
Speaker 1: like eleven when you get home on Saturday. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you're also impaired at that point for sure. Games always
Speaker 1: get weird exactly. That's and I'm like, fine, touchdown game
Speaker 1: earlier this year, Yeah, it does get weird. But one
Speaker 1: thing with Anthony Gordon that I saw during practice, he
Speaker 1: looked better than he did in the game, at least
Speaker 1: to me, just because he didn't have a ton of
Speaker 1: happy feet, but because when he's back in the pocket,
Speaker 1: he's so active with his feet, and it's kind of odd.
Speaker 1: It's if go back and look at it, you look
Speaker 1: down at his feet, it's almost like he's pitter pattering
Speaker 1: the entire time he's in the pocket. Whereas that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing, but in the game it's even
Speaker 1: more magnified. As to whenever he was in practice. When
Speaker 1: he was in practice and able to kind of sit
Speaker 1: back there not worrying about getting hit, his feet were
Speaker 1: still he looked confident. But when he's in the game,
Speaker 1: he's running around, he's got all the pitter patter of
Speaker 1: the feet all the way through. He did throw a
Speaker 1: couple of touchdown passes, and he looked good in the
Speaker 1: game in terms of the production that he put out there.
Speaker 1: But I just wasn't necessarily impressed with the footwork overall
Speaker 1: from Gordon. I'll tell you so. I know you said
Speaker 1: stock drop stock up for me. You know I said
Speaker 1: it last week. I was disappointed. You know, Christian Fulton
Speaker 1: probably would have been the best cornerback at that game.
Speaker 1: Probably he pulled out for injury reasons. I did not
Speaker 1: have a whole lot of thoughts about any of the
Speaker 1: other guys that were there. I came away really impressed
Speaker 1: with several of them. Troy Pride Junior had a fantastic week,
Speaker 1: got an interception in the game. Wilder Kendall was a
Speaker 1: guy that was the buzz of practices, got an interception
Speaker 1: in the game. Georgia Southern, Darnay Holmes from UCLA, and
Speaker 1: then probably my favorite of all of them was Dane Jackson,
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh cornerback. I mean, still probably a Day three guy,
Speaker 1: but a super confident, super smooth looking cornerback who had
Speaker 1: no problem handling any of these guys, and that that
Speaker 1: was what was so impressive. We spent the top of
Speaker 1: the talking about how great these receivers were. He showed
Speaker 1: out against a lot of them. I got Day three
Speaker 1: grades on every guy that you mentioned, but I think
Speaker 1: they all deserve a lot of credit for going out
Speaker 1: and competing and the guys that stood out absolutely get
Speaker 1: brownie points for me, because you know, when all these
Speaker 1: cornerbacks started dropping out, I mean, Gladnee from TCU was
Speaker 1: going to be there, and I'm glad he's my second
Speaker 1: cornerback on the board right now. I didn't think he
Speaker 1: needed to be there. You know, you know another guy
Speaker 1: who I didn't think needed to be there. I thought
Speaker 1: it was interesting that he pulled out. Is Javon Kinlaw.
Speaker 1: Yeah to go, but it's like, you know what didn't
Speaker 1: need to be there in the first place. But then
Speaker 1: we'd heard about two or three weeks ago some knee
Speaker 1: and whisper. I'm going it was that a good thing
Speaker 1: or a bad thing. They pulled him out on purpose,
Speaker 1: I think, but it is the knee a problem, and
Speaker 1: now I'm still conflicted with what to think about him.
Speaker 1: I know what I feel about the player, I do
Speaker 1: not know what I feel about the knee. Put a
Speaker 1: dog ear on that page and your finder come back
Speaker 1: back to it in February, and I'm glad you brought
Speaker 1: up Troy Junior because we got a chance to hear
Speaker 1: from him as well. Out of Notre Dame, has four
Speaker 1: career interceptions. We're gonna talk about him a little bit
Speaker 1: later because he's one of the guys in the scenarios
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. Maybe he isn't Kyle, Okay, maybe he is. Maybe,
Speaker 1: and maybe he isn't. I hope he is, because we're
Speaker 1: gonna hear from him here. This is a kind of
Speaker 1: player that uh that Troy Pritt Junior thinks he could
Speaker 1: be coming out of the draft. The best part of
Speaker 1: my game with my competitive nature, I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like I can cover just about anybody and one with
Speaker 1: just about anybody, I'd like to call myself a blanket corner.
Speaker 1: And with that just just being my coverability, and then
Speaker 1: how how competitive I him. I mean, I'm a guy
Speaker 1: that you know that I'm I'm gonna always work to
Speaker 1: be the best. I'm always gonna work to to win
Speaker 1: my reps, to win my one on ones, and to
Speaker 1: be you know, uh staple for a defense and you know,
Speaker 1: just support East and every one of my other ten
Speaker 1: members on the field. He had a connection as well
Speaker 1: with with Jalen Smith during his time at Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Said that he went that Smith was at Notre Dame
Speaker 1: a little bit prior to Troy Pritt junior, but he
Speaker 1: went on the top about how they've stayed in contact
Speaker 1: and kind of had that connection back and forth. So
Speaker 1: he's already got a little bit of a Cowboys connection.
Speaker 1: Would he fit here. We'll talk about that a little
Speaker 1: bit later, but definitely something to look out for. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we're gonna attack Twitter on the twenty. Be sure to
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Speaker 1: David Hellman, Kevin Turner, Jeff cavanaugh'm Kyle Yeoman's time now
Speaker 1: for some Twitter on the twenty. Yeah, so you're getting there,
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Speaker 1: first up here on the Draft show, and he wants
Speaker 1: to ask we continue to talk about these teams trading
Speaker 1: up for a quarterback at number one, but do you
Speaker 1: think there would be a team to trade up to
Speaker 1: get Chase Young at number one seems like a game changer.
Speaker 1: I think we all agree with that one. But is
Speaker 1: there a chance that maybe the Bengals, of course, a
Speaker 1: team that I feel like you wouldn't have to go
Speaker 1: to number one in order to get Chase you trade
Speaker 1: up to two because the Bengals are pretty probably I
Speaker 1: mean we could go ahead and say it. I think
Speaker 1: they're probably locked in on that pick. But then again,
Speaker 1: I mean, you never know. You never know the size
Speaker 1: of a deal that somebody's willing to put together. I mean,
Speaker 1: if somebody offers them what the Rams gave to get
Speaker 1: Jared Goff, would they turn it down? They probably should,
Speaker 1: but would they? And it's the it's the Redskins picking
Speaker 1: it two. So that brings a whole another level of
Speaker 1: unpredictability because you have a new head coach. Ron Rivero's
Speaker 1: defensive mind did have a hard time if he has
Speaker 1: any say of him going, oh no, no, we're taking
Speaker 1: Chase Young. We're not doing any trading. But you never
Speaker 1: know who's running things in Washington, so like you never
Speaker 1: know what's happening there. So it could be if Washington
Speaker 1: thinks they're not close. They could make a trade. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe Chase Young is for sell Let's let's entertain that option.
Speaker 1: Let's say Washington is willing to make a trade. What
Speaker 1: kind of team would have won the package to put
Speaker 1: together for a trade for Chase Young and two would
Speaker 1: be willing enough to do so? Miami, But that makes
Speaker 1: no sense because they need to rebuild an entire roster.
Speaker 1: S three first round pick. Yeah, so you've got ammunition.
Speaker 1: But they I think they would be crazy because they
Speaker 1: just they need so much. They need basically an entire
Speaker 1: roster on purpose, So to mortgage a lot to go
Speaker 1: get a single player. Just I feel bad for them
Speaker 1: because they tried to go. Oh in sixteen, the front
Speaker 1: office did Yeah, Now, the players and Brian Flores did not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like and when they made the trade for when they
Speaker 1: traded making Fitzpatrick and the Steelers didn't have Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 1: Where do you think they thought that pick was gonna be? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think they thought they were gonna have the first
Speaker 1: pick and another top ten pick, and it turns into
Speaker 1: five and eighteen Hodges and Mason Rudolphs a couple of wins,
Speaker 1: you know, and the Dolphins, you know, at five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's interesting. I think the Jaguars, I don't
Speaker 1: know what they're planning on, but they have the ninth
Speaker 1: and the twentieth pick, and then put those together sweeten
Speaker 1: it up a little bit. They could get up to
Speaker 1: two and get a game changer right there. But I
Speaker 1: don't see the Redskins trading out of number two. And
Speaker 1: you positive. I am positive that it's happened. But I
Speaker 1: can't think, like, when was the last time somebody did
Speaker 1: that bold of a trade for a non quarterback? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I mean, like, okay, I mean that's a great answer.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a huge It was somewhat bold
Speaker 1: when the Buffalo Cleveland trade for Sammy Watkins, but that
Speaker 1: was going up from like pick nine to pick four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a five pick jump. Yeah, the Julio one's good.
Speaker 1: But even what the Falcons jumped from like the teens
Speaker 1: to five, I think it was something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly where they were the Cowboys for
Speaker 1: I was about to say Claiborne might be in the
Speaker 1: Good One conversation. I think I mean, to jump up
Speaker 1: to two, you would probably have to do something a
Speaker 1: little crazier than what the Cowboys gave up for Mo though.
Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, that was
Speaker 1: just one pick. The Cowboys to get to two would
Speaker 1: have to give up on the Cowboy two more one,
Speaker 1: maybe three more ones because you don't know where they'll be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I know that his question, um was about, you know,
Speaker 1: Chase Young. But if someone's trading up to number two,
Speaker 1: they're trading up for number two to get either two
Speaker 1: or Joe Burrow. They're not trading up to get Chase Young.
Speaker 1: You think it's out of the question. I mean, we
Speaker 1: just they the Falcons gave up a boatload for Julio Jones,
Speaker 1: he plays receiver. I mean, I don't think it's out
Speaker 1: of the question. But but it's but we don't. You
Speaker 1: don't see it often. Yeah, really exactly. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: why I think that's why if that picks for self
Speaker 1: for Washington's for a quarterback and not Chase Young, that
Speaker 1: would I think Washington would just take the player. It
Speaker 1: would be pretty Bengals E I feel like to take
Speaker 1: Chase Young. Wait, I mean, like, well, I feel like
Speaker 1: the three would probably be more inclined to make a
Speaker 1: trade like that to have somebody go up for a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think Detroit would probably be the better team in
Speaker 1: order to do the true bisky deal that the Bears did.
Speaker 1: Get up and make sure that you get the guy.
Speaker 1: Atlanta traded five picks to the Browns to make that trade. Guys,
Speaker 1: the Redskins are not the most savvy front office. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think they'll probably just sit there and
Speaker 1: take the player. I don't know how much trade dangling
Speaker 1: and that is savvy. That's savvy. Just take your play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got freaking three months of airtime to fill. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk absolutely No, I'm with how bad would the
Speaker 1: quarterback class have to be for you to take a
Speaker 1: defensive end even though you need a quarterback? Yeah, that
Speaker 1: doesn't That doesn't jive well at all. It have to
Speaker 1: be pretty, really really bad quarterback class. Uh. Next question
Speaker 1: comes from just for this on Twitter, and it says,
Speaker 1: because we have not discussed this so far, so are bad?
Speaker 1: Could the Cowboys go tight end at pick number seventeen?
Speaker 1: And even if that were an option, is there somebody
Speaker 1: there well the pick? That's I just I just don't
Speaker 1: think the tight end class is that good. I don't either.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's good at up top. I think
Speaker 1: that's it's harsh to say it's not good because because
Speaker 1: Harrison Bryant, he really stood out in mobile, Cole Comet,
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame, Guy Um Troutman. However you feel about FCS,
Speaker 1: he's a good player. I think Pinkney he wasn't as
Speaker 1: impressive in mobile as out of Preferred or yeah he did.
Speaker 1: I didn't think he looked amazing and mobile. But he's
Speaker 1: still you know, you could draft him, you know, probably,
Speaker 1: I don't know where would you draft him slate second
Speaker 1: I think he's now I'm thinking, I mean, look, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of teams like people are absolutely enamored with
Speaker 1: my guy Thaddius Moss out of LSU. Maybe a little
Speaker 1: more than the warranted can run, Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. He's a big body. He can probably block
Speaker 1: a little bit. He can catch. I just don't know
Speaker 1: if he can run. He's a willing blocker. He's got
Speaker 1: great hands. I don't think he's like elite fast, but
Speaker 1: how fast you need to be to be a tight end.
Speaker 1: I'm having a feeling therefore, I'm looking for Vernon Davis
Speaker 1: for okay cool second day, I think there's going to
Speaker 1: be a tight end taken for the first time. It's
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna start a string of tight ends like
Speaker 1: and I think in the middle of the third round,
Speaker 1: in fourth round, you're gonna see the majority of the
Speaker 1: top end tight ends go pretty quickly. I think I
Speaker 1: would be surprised if a tight end gets drafted in
Speaker 1: the first round. I would absolutely And that's with all
Speaker 1: due respect to Jason Witten. It just reminds me of
Speaker 1: how loaded the tight end class was last year, and
Speaker 1: you could have gotten yourself a really badass one with
Speaker 1: you know, your with your second round pick if you'd
Speaker 1: or even your third round pick. Honestly, well, and also
Speaker 1: we talked about this a little bit last week, but
Speaker 1: those teams that are in dire need of a tight end,
Speaker 1: there's some tight ends in free agency that are available
Speaker 1: that could potentially be bigger than more more valuable than
Speaker 1: using first round pick for Jason Witten. There you go.
Speaker 1: Eric Ebron was more of the name that I was
Speaker 1: thinking of. I'm only for a ten end or a
Speaker 1: tight end. Coach a tight end. Okay, they got a coach,
Speaker 1: a tight coach, do yeah, next question, mister Vallejos on
Speaker 1: Twitter says, are there any quarterbacks in free agency that
Speaker 1: a top teen team would pursue instead of drafting one
Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks? And how could that affect us? At seventeen?
Speaker 1: There's a million free agent quarterbacks. It's just a matter
Speaker 1: of whether you think any of them are gonna like
Speaker 1: move to new teams. I mean, technically, Drew Brees, Tom
Speaker 1: Brady and Philip Rivers and Jamis Winston are all free agents, Like,
Speaker 1: are any two of those four possibly moving? Are any?
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like Philip Rivers is moving. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is moving for sure, But Philip Rivers is
Speaker 1: also washed? He is, yeah, I mean he's he's forty
Speaker 1: If you're signing him to a stop gap and interest
Speaker 1: gonna win games with both of them though, It'll be
Speaker 1: a good team, But wouldn't you would you rather have?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not signing those guys aren't signing with
Speaker 1: a bad team at this stage in their career, Like
Speaker 1: those guys are ring chasing at this Also, guys like
Speaker 1: Jamis Mariota. What's Carolina going to do? I think the
Speaker 1: biggest question mark in terms of like affecting the draft
Speaker 1: order and stuff like that is probably Teddy Bridgewater. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's He's been a backup for the last four years.
Speaker 1: He played very well for the Saints when they lost
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. I assume he's going to go after a
Speaker 1: starting gig in free agency. I would be surprised if
Speaker 1: he wants to sit for another year. This is his
Speaker 1: prime money making time. I wonder, is that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because I would I would rather have Justin Herbert to
Speaker 1: a burrow. Heck, even I was all, yes, how are
Speaker 1: any of them? How many of these how many of
Speaker 1: those these rookie quarterbacks? Are you ready to plug in
Speaker 1: on day one? Um? I don't really know yet. I
Speaker 1: guess the point is that if I were to bring
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater in, I think that I just intentionally got
Speaker 1: an average at best quarterback. And to me, that's a
Speaker 1: weird plan. Bengal's not close. Redskins not close. The lines
Speaker 1: will get Stafford back, but they could still potentially draft
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Giants, we feel like they're probably not close,
Speaker 1: right we all did there? Dolphins not close Chargers without
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. Now they could do something interesting they like,
Speaker 1: maybe they try to pick up a cam Newton or
Speaker 1: see if they can revitalize Jamis and whatever be the Chargers.
Speaker 1: The Chargers pick in the top ten, one of these
Speaker 1: guys is going to be a stop gap, like Mariota
Speaker 1: or Winston is gonna or I doubt it would be
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater because I think he's got enough clout that
Speaker 1: he could ask for a bigger deal. But one of
Speaker 1: these guys is going to sign a one to three
Speaker 1: year deal for a team that winds up drafting a quarterback.
Speaker 1: That just seems logical to me. Send the old Jacoby
Speaker 1: Brissette deal and yeah, moving on Mario to be in
Speaker 1: that guy. The cults are another one for that man
Speaker 1: that there. They came right out and said they're not
Speaker 1: sold on Jacoby Brissettes should be. Yeah. But to answer
Speaker 1: my own question, like I think like Burrow and Herbert
Speaker 1: are the only dudes in this class that I would
Speaker 1: feel comfortable right now saying like if he's your starter
Speaker 1: week one, that about healthy. Two is not healthy, and
Speaker 1: I don't expect well he should be to start the season, right. Question,
Speaker 1: I need to follow that and see it with my
Speaker 1: own eyes before I'm ready to just say it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Can he play with the walker? Seriously? I think so
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's that's your hip man. You need
Speaker 1: that to do everything in football, but also to play
Speaker 1: quarterback and of hip injuries. My pet cat a Meek
Speaker 1: Robertson UM Louisiana Tech, the small cornerback. That is your
Speaker 1: pet cat, my guy. I believe he had fourteen interceptions
Speaker 1: in the last three years. My tiny cornerback who plays
Speaker 1: on the outside like a tough just a tough dude. Well,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of Tech bulldogs, so he's a bulldog.
Speaker 1: A little bit of a hip injury, and yeah, that's
Speaker 1: thanks for the episode in the Rumblins. It's not you
Speaker 1: heard gonna be a problems. I think it's out there. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think it's bad. Let's go to Justin Reid and
Speaker 1: Justin ask the safe from Houston. Simmons no great player,
Speaker 1: talking about Isaiah Simmons, someone the Cowboys could look to
Speaker 1: play safety. And if he Paul's falls passin, could we
Speaker 1: move up again? I would That is a guy who
Speaker 1: if for some reason he started falling. I mean kind
Speaker 1: of not saying they're similar players, but like like remember
Speaker 1: Derwin James two years ago. You didn't expect him to
Speaker 1: be there past like pick eight. All of a sudden
Speaker 1: he's there a pick sixteen and seventeen. Hell yeah, i'd
Speaker 1: be interested, be great. So you talk about maybe he
Speaker 1: falls to ten the Browns. Then you've got eleven Jets,
Speaker 1: twelve Raiders, thirteen Colts. Could you make a deal with
Speaker 1: those teams. I'm not giving up my second round pick
Speaker 1: to move up to get anyone, not even even Simmons
Speaker 1: a badass that night. Maybe Chase Young, you Chase Young.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You're drafting scared my new thing.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting at seventeen and I'm gonna if I'm if
Speaker 1: I need a safety, I'll just take Delpit. I'll be happy.
Speaker 1: Oh you're get scared, kat. So we're gonna give up
Speaker 1: picks when we don't have a lot of cap room here,
Speaker 1: We're gonna give up some picks. We're gonna blow out
Speaker 1: the minimum wage players. I know I can get somebody
Speaker 1: in the second. You'll get that done, going from seventeen
Speaker 1: to let's say eleven, to the gentle because I just
Speaker 1: don't need probably not on the trade chart. But man,
Speaker 1: if you if I told you which obviously the hope.
Speaker 1: The hope is that pick fifty one can help you
Speaker 1: and be good right away. But let's be honest, if
Speaker 1: the if the Cowboys have a bugaboo in recent years,
Speaker 1: it's probably the second round. Tristan Hill is coming off
Speaker 1: a very disappointing season. Jalen Smith needed a year to
Speaker 1: get himself right. Connor Williams was fine as a rookie.
Speaker 1: He certainly didn't blow anybody away. Cheeto was okay as
Speaker 1: a rookie. He was a you know, part time starter
Speaker 1: and a contributor. If you told me I could secure
Speaker 1: the second best defender in the draft by giving up
Speaker 1: my second round pick. Question interesting, So you're on a
Speaker 1: scale of one to ten without trading. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: you just get to pick this player. How great would
Speaker 1: you feel if you picked Isaiah Simmons? Oh, I'd be great? Yeah, awesome, Yeah, pump.
Speaker 1: If you pick Grant Delpot one through ten, how are
Speaker 1: you feeling nine? Um, yeah, I'd be I'd be excited
Speaker 1: about that. I'm obviously based, but maybe a seven because
Speaker 1: if you're still at a nine, maybe you don't want
Speaker 1: to trade up. You do have questions. Delpot i don't
Speaker 1: have questions about Simmons. I have I don't have questions
Speaker 1: about Simmons except for how he would be used here. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a good Tenny play center field. He's your third No,
Speaker 1: he's your third linebacker. He's your strong safety, is your
Speaker 1: third linebacker. He's never coming off the field. He's never
Speaker 1: coming off the field for sure. But that's what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. We're gonna trade up play linebacker. He's playing safety.
Speaker 1: But you want to trade a one for Jamal Adams. No,
Speaker 1: he's not a strong safety. That's the and that's that's
Speaker 1: what's so intriguing about Simmons. For that matter. You can
Speaker 1: throw Xavier McKinney and Grant Delpot in there too. Is like,
Speaker 1: I am enamored with these guys that can play all
Speaker 1: over the back seven just five spot for him. They
Speaker 1: can play two or three linebacker positions. They can play safe.
Speaker 1: The delpic and McKinney can probably do a little bit
Speaker 1: more because they can move into the slot. I don't
Speaker 1: know if if I'm I don't know if Simmons can
Speaker 1: do that. If I'm drafting scared, that's fine. I have
Speaker 1: no problem being called a scaredy cat, I'm okay with that. No,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm just saying. If I'm drafting scared, I've
Speaker 1: also got one eye over here on the money's and
Speaker 1: the roster. That a all of it, and I just
Speaker 1: don't I don't think it makes sense. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think you have a potential right here, picking in the
Speaker 1: middle of the first three rounds to grab guys who
Speaker 1: can help you. It's all gonna be good. I can
Speaker 1: trade to Mary, I can get you more picks now
Speaker 1: sitting out we're doing that. That changes things. If we're
Speaker 1: maneuver so reckless trading other guys who are already on
Speaker 1: the roster, then that opens up a whole new can
Speaker 1: of worms. I'm traid the running back in the linebacker,
Speaker 1: let's go. But I'm stay at the question that was
Speaker 1: asked by the guy on Twitter. The question that was
Speaker 1: asked was would you trade up to get him? I
Speaker 1: think and nothing else there that's gonna be that's cost me.
Speaker 1: It's like the dominant storyline of this draft for me
Speaker 1: is like you're sitting in a spot where you know
Speaker 1: not to bring up receiver again, but like you might
Speaker 1: be able to get the best receiver in the class
Speaker 1: at seventeen, or you settle for a good player but
Speaker 1: a lesser value at another position like Grant Delpit. Maybe
Speaker 1: isn't the best value at seventeen, but he fits what
Speaker 1: you want as opposed to or the same thing with
Speaker 1: like an offensive tackle. You could get like a blue
Speaker 1: chip offensive tackle. Maybe I might like to have my
Speaker 1: Zach Martin or Ryan Shazier. Just don't take the Johnny
Speaker 1: Manzell situation like I feel like I'm I will have
Speaker 1: a good player get to me at seventeen, and I
Speaker 1: want to keep that second round bick gosh, isn't this fun?
Speaker 1: We can talk about being in the middle of the
Speaker 1: seventh or the middle of the first round and have
Speaker 1: these options. It's not fun. Katie's not trying to the
Speaker 1: this is good. You don't want to be in the middle.
Speaker 1: Katie's a coward. Number seventeen pick over the past twenty
Speaker 1: years has been traded away. I'll go get Simmons if
Speaker 1: it costs me my third. That's not gonna happen given away.
Speaker 1: I'm just drafting scared, all right, One more question before
Speaker 1: we take our next break, and Matt with for the
Speaker 1: second week in a row. Our butt Boy. Matt has
Speaker 1: a great question, resigning Robert Quinn change your opinion on
Speaker 1: drafting kin Law or Chasing in that first round. Chasing
Speaker 1: maybe because he's an edge player. Yeah, not ken Law,
Speaker 1: because I mean, it wouldn't change me on kin Law.
Speaker 1: Why would it change. The reason it would change me
Speaker 1: on kin Law is because obviously you're right, Robert Quinn
Speaker 1: plays defensive end. Chase on here would play defensive end,
Speaker 1: and kin Law would play the three technique. But the
Speaker 1: biggest thing for me with Robert Quinn potentially being gone
Speaker 1: isn't just I'm missing a defensive end. It's who in
Speaker 1: the world is my second pass rusher? Sure? Yeah, kin
Speaker 1: Law is that. I think kin Law would be your
Speaker 1: second pass rusher. He wouldn't line up outside. But I
Speaker 1: need somebody but after the quarterback other than Tank. But
Speaker 1: if you have Quinn, you still need a three tech
Speaker 1: Like you still need a pass rusher. Yeah, And I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Mike, don't have Quinn. It does crank
Speaker 1: up how much I want anyone who can rush the
Speaker 1: passer but to create. But you know, to the questions point,
Speaker 1: like if if you had Robert Quinn and we don't
Speaker 1: know who they might sign at D tackle. You know,
Speaker 1: last year they got Christian Cover or Chris Christian Covington.
Speaker 1: It's always confused. Cople Okay, you're right that would affect
Speaker 1: how much, But you still would want a badass three
Speaker 1: tech even if you had two good edge rushers right away.
Speaker 1: And honestly, drafting kin Law is even more exciting if
Speaker 1: you have Robert Quinn on the roster because it's a
Speaker 1: pick your poison of three really good pass rushers. My
Speaker 1: problem with the question there is we're talking about two
Speaker 1: different areas of the draft for kin Law and Chase On.
Speaker 1: For me, I know the world loves Chase On. Chason
Speaker 1: is a top twenty player. I've got him as an
Speaker 1: early second. I've got Kim Law as a top twelve
Speaker 1: or top ten player. I don't have Chase On as
Speaker 1: a top twenty point. It's it's hard to get a
Speaker 1: read that everybody's I mean, I said this at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl last week, Like, there are people that think
Speaker 1: Ken Law is a top ten pick. There are people
Speaker 1: that have going at the end of the first round. Ye,
Speaker 1: and I feel like Chason's stock is rising, But I
Speaker 1: don't think everybody's sold on sold on him all the
Speaker 1: way to the point where he's like a consensus top
Speaker 1: twenty guy for sure. Um, would you like that pick?
Speaker 1: He's fun though I like I like the player, I
Speaker 1: just don't. I think we're talking about two different if
Speaker 1: they drafted, if they take Chase On at seventeen Chasing,
Speaker 1: I would, I would like it, Yeah, I would. I
Speaker 1: would have my fingers crossed that it works out because
Speaker 1: I do like the player. I just I would have
Speaker 1: been the same way. I think I wouldn't be one
Speaker 1: the ten scale that you threw out earlier for Delpit,
Speaker 1: I would throw a six in there. Ken would be ten.
Speaker 1: For me, would be a six or seven. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be all the way sold that it was a great move. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but which and I hate when people fall into this trap.
Speaker 1: But I can't help but think about Daniel Hunter, who
Speaker 1: was a similar player, similar type of player in college
Speaker 1: who I was not high on. And he's obviously a
Speaker 1: freaking drafted high long enough. But his tap wasn't great. No,
Speaker 1: Hunter's tape wasn't great at hell. Which but mane like tools.
Speaker 1: Go watch, go watch the last five games of LSU season,
Speaker 1: Calevan was a monster against the run and the pass,
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't hate that stronger than he gets credit for.
Speaker 1: I know people knock him because he's two forty or whatever.
Speaker 1: He looks like, he looks like a tweener, but he
Speaker 1: handles the run, Okay, he does. I just there's just
Speaker 1: a little bit more you want to see. And that's
Speaker 1: where you tell it with kinlay, I go, okay, I
Speaker 1: get what I you know where you get one here
Speaker 1: seventeen feels a little rich, which that feels like the
Speaker 1: beginning of his range to me, like sixteen to twenty five.
Speaker 1: I had that Chase on range. I hope the Cowboys
Speaker 1: can find a way to bring Quinn back because it
Speaker 1: just solves a lot of problems about what you do
Speaker 1: about edge because I'm not I was going to bring
Speaker 1: that up in the Senior Bowl Daurn's time. They first
Speaker 1: of all, well and exactly and and I don't like,
Speaker 1: I'm not unless you are, unless you're the Washington Redskins
Speaker 1: and you can draft Chase you. I'm not feeling awesome
Speaker 1: about the edge rushers and said, not really. I watched
Speaker 1: I watched jo I watched your grossmatos the other day.
Speaker 1: I came away. I came away not impressed. Not not
Speaker 1: at seventeen. Tell you that at seventeen. No, that's how
Speaker 1: I feel about every non chase young guys. I would go, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll work like we're gonna have two monsters that play
Speaker 1: the run great and get me eight to ten sacks. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll take it. But you're talking about a guy. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, Jerry Jones always calls it like Gumby, Like
Speaker 1: that's not gumby stuff. We may not be looking for Gumby.
Speaker 1: I am. Everybody's looking for Gumby, thank you having Well,
Speaker 1: everybody's looking for Gumby. All schemes want bendable pass rushers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's no reason too. If you have one who's
Speaker 1: not like that, that's really good. Like, nah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I just I mean, it's early I have at Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory back, I would love that's just do that. Hey,
Speaker 1: maybe they're gonna talk about substance rules at the owners meetings.
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Speaker 1: September twenty nineteen, This is the Dallas Cowboys dot com
Speaker 1: Draft show. Back here in the s WBC Mortgage studios. Dave,
Speaker 1: you look like you have something on your mind. No,
Speaker 1: I just which you know. Shouts out to Bobby Belt,
Speaker 1: the stat god. He's always keeping us on our toes.
Speaker 1: But what two? It was two years ago the Saints
Speaker 1: made a pretty significant trade up into the top ten
Speaker 1: to get Marcus Davenport out of Texas San Antonio. That's
Speaker 1: not they jumped halfway up the draft board. I thought
Speaker 1: you were looking for jumps into the top maybe Okay,
Speaker 1: middle of the round with a pick that they knew
Speaker 1: was going to be at like twenty eight to thirty.
Speaker 1: The next year they get them, they drafted fifteen or fourteen.
Speaker 1: There seen something like that. It was twenty seven to fourteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a pretty substantial jump, Bobby. They gave up a
Speaker 1: first game, they gave up a first in the next draft.
Speaker 1: I'm just like number thirty to get Chase Young. I
Speaker 1: still think you'd have to do more. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: But crazier things have happened. Maybe. I mean the Saints
Speaker 1: once gave up a whole draft. It's a big maybe.
Speaker 1: It depends on what the package is to get Chase Young. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if crazy things have actually happened. Back when running backs
Speaker 1: matter right. Actually I leaned toward thinking it wouldn't happen,
Speaker 1: all right, So we talked about plenty of scenarios in
Speaker 1: that last segment talking about what the Cowboys could do
Speaker 1: at pick seventeen. Now, Jeff, you've talked about three different
Speaker 1: scenarios with the first three rounds, So we're going all
Speaker 1: buy threes here, first, second, third round. You got three scenarios,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna choose either or between these guys. What's
Speaker 1: your first scenario? Yeah? See, anybody could just say, hey,
Speaker 1: who do you want in the first round, But to me,
Speaker 1: that's cheating. We gotta follow this thing all the way
Speaker 1: down the trail through three rounds. So I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you three different options here behind door. Number one is
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at number seventeen, select Grant Delpit, LSU safety.
Speaker 1: Love it. They take him at seventeen. Awesome. At fifty one,
Speaker 1: you're gonna make a pick. That's just for me. Jordan Elliott,
Speaker 1: defensive tackle miszoo Okay, okay. In the third round, Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl standout Denzel Mims. We're taking a wide receiver in
Speaker 1: the third round. That's your first set. Okay, you can
Speaker 1: go delp It Elliott Mims safe at d tackle receiver,
Speaker 1: our second pick. Our second set of picks here. First round,
Speaker 1: Cowboys take Javon Kin Long All right, that's the one.
Speaker 1: I compensated for that with my next two picks. Their
Speaker 1: second pick is Ashton Davis, the cal safety. I love
Speaker 1: Ashton Davis. I'm a fan of them too personally. Their
Speaker 1: third round pick is Troy Pride Junior out of Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: the cornerback. Although if I could just change my own
Speaker 1: rules of the game, I'd rather put Auburn's Noah Igbogo,
Speaker 1: you got it, I'd rather put him in there. You
Speaker 1: made this up, you can do it. Anybody seen him
Speaker 1: except me. I'm gonna I'm gonna go on. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna think he's gonna be there. Okay, third rounds okay,
Speaker 1: so Ken Law, Davis, Pride, and your third grouping would be.
Speaker 1: In the first round, the Cowboys take Christian Fulton out
Speaker 1: LSU corner. Oh stop seventeen. Fulton's better than Gladney. You're
Speaker 1: you're gonna eat that one, all right. We'll just discuss
Speaker 1: that at a future have a cornerback coming up in
Speaker 1: three weeks on The Draft Show. Second round you take
Speaker 1: Bradley and I Utah defensive end. He's good at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. And in the third round, you'd take another
Speaker 1: Utah player, Leakey fot I like my I like my
Speaker 1: Utah guys nose tackle. You get a nose tackle and
Speaker 1: edge rusher and a corner, all defense. Two of the
Speaker 1: three were all defense, okay, which like spoiler alert, you know,
Speaker 1: we knew that we were doing this ahead of time.
Speaker 1: So I sat down. The two guys I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: were Elliott and a n I uh loved Jordan Elliott.
Speaker 1: I told you that last night. He's fun to watch
Speaker 1: that man. Bradley and I. I was not impressed. I
Speaker 1: was kind of using what seems like he's getting a
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl bump. He definitely a third round guy. He
Speaker 1: dominated the Senior Bowl. He had a hurry that led
Speaker 1: to Jalen Hurt throwing a pick. He had two or
Speaker 1: three two or three sacks in the game. About the
Speaker 1: fact that he had twenty nine and a half career
Speaker 1: sacks though he okay everything and he was a dominant
Speaker 1: player and he only started three years. Here's the other
Speaker 1: thing about Bradley and I, and I was guilty because
Speaker 1: at first I felt like Dave and I was going
Speaker 1: this guy just to have any juice, and then you
Speaker 1: watch a game, go through it play by play, and
Speaker 1: you go by the end of it, he's winning every time.
Speaker 1: He is kind of the definition of a lunch pell
Speaker 1: guy because he is like he is kind of like
Speaker 1: I need to like win early with snap anticipation because
Speaker 1: I don't have the bend the gumby, I don't have
Speaker 1: the burst. I'm looking for good with his hands and
Speaker 1: things like that. He does a good job of winning.
Speaker 1: In the end, the traits are not there, and that's
Speaker 1: what makes him scary, and taking him in the second
Speaker 1: round at pick fifty one, I'm uncomfortable doing. But I
Speaker 1: do like the player and I would take him in
Speaker 1: a round. Here. He looks really good when he can
Speaker 1: get inside on the tackle and has a straighter path
Speaker 1: to the quarterback, which like so does everybody. You can
Speaker 1: say that about any He looks really not impressive when
Speaker 1: he has to get around or through the tackle. I
Speaker 1: watched him play USC which they have a left tackle
Speaker 1: by the name of Austin Jackson. A lot of people
Speaker 1: think he's gonna go first round. I wouldn't. I saw
Speaker 1: getting his butt kicked for most of that. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got a long way to go to be a first
Speaker 1: round player in maas Tom point being a draftable, a
Speaker 1: highly draftable left tackle, good competition. I thought handled him
Speaker 1: pretty pretty well. And I mean he looked good at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. You got to take that into account.
Speaker 1: Played well in the game. Games matter. I just but
Speaker 1: fifty one, It's like, at some point, what is your
Speaker 1: trait that makes you kind of takes you over the
Speaker 1: top to be a second round player. If it's not
Speaker 1: the burst and the speed around the edge, that's not
Speaker 1: the link. I'm still looking for that at pick fifty
Speaker 1: one too, and the second round edge Greenherd maybe from Florida,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Greenard, if you want to go there. Notre Dame
Speaker 1: Oquara is so tough because the way they used him
Speaker 1: is weird. It's dude, there's a there's a drop off
Speaker 1: and then it kind of picks up again. What about
Speaker 1: Curtis Weaver Boise State. Where do you have him? I'm
Speaker 1: not a fan, not a fan of man, same type
Speaker 1: of thing, just not athletic enough. And I'm trusting another
Speaker 1: guy who just kind of wins kind of the same way. See,
Speaker 1: I just watched run circles around people that were on
Speaker 1: bad football teams. He were bad players, and he would
Speaker 1: just run around him. And I'm just like, I don't
Speaker 1: know how to translate that shows up in the combine
Speaker 1: and runs a six eight three cone. Then I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, I'm way too low because now suddenly his
Speaker 1: athleticism works. So any is in that group with Christian
Speaker 1: Fulton and Leaky Foe. Two Photo, I like everyone liked
Speaker 1: Photo though, is the third round like one Technique? I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a massive solid Think about what you had this
Speaker 1: year with Antoine Woods and when Antoine Woods is missing,
Speaker 1: and how things hurt so much when Antone Woods was
Speaker 1: out as a six foot guy, you know, Photos a
Speaker 1: six foot five, three hundred and thirty pound dude. I
Speaker 1: mean there's a big difference. He can take on double teams,
Speaker 1: I know. But he moves well, he moves, he moves well.
Speaker 1: Let's let's translate that over to the guy I really like,
Speaker 1: which is Jordan Elliott. Yeah, Okay, he's a big cat
Speaker 1: who can do a little bit of everything. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he gives you more than Photo does for sure. Six
Speaker 1: four three fifteen, Yeah, plays one plays three Maszoo had
Speaker 1: him playing some three four end like he can go
Speaker 1: all over the line. I was really impressed with his hands,
Speaker 1: like he's just karate chopping people out of his way.
Speaker 1: He pressured the quarterback on like fifteen percent of his
Speaker 1: snaps this season, which I mean three four hundred snaps.
Speaker 1: It's a freaking it's a lot of pressures. Yeah, can
Speaker 1: I ask five and a half a career sacks? Though?
Speaker 1: Can I can? I don't need I don't need him.
Speaker 1: I don't need him. That's difference, Like there's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know what you're getting in a nine, and we're
Speaker 1: not comparing A Nie and Jordan Elliot. You know what
Speaker 1: you're getting when we watch a Nie, when you watch
Speaker 1: Jordan Elliott. Yeah, you don't always know what you're getting
Speaker 1: on snapped a stap basis true. When you're watching sometimes
Speaker 1: you go, okay, why did he just get pushed back? Yeard,
Speaker 1: It's like he just stood straight up and then he
Speaker 1: fires off and he knifes through and then you're like, okay, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: he's firing off. He's playing well, it's all about staying
Speaker 1: low and technically that can be refined. He could be
Speaker 1: a player who's ascending. So that's what it's all about,
Speaker 1: because I don't I see the same guy where It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't see a guy that's great with his hands
Speaker 1: all the time. I don't see a guy who plays
Speaker 1: with the right pad level and they still kind of
Speaker 1: can't stop him. And he gives you some range too
Speaker 1: for defensive tackle, like Foto is not going to make
Speaker 1: a lot of plays outside of his area. Watched Elliot.
Speaker 1: I watched Elliott chase down a receiver screen yesterday, like
Speaker 1: ten yards down the field, like the receiver had room
Speaker 1: to run and was able to accelerate, and Elliot's still
Speaker 1: cast no group one. Who's that reminding of d Law? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I can see that. Can I throw in a guy though,
Speaker 1: just like as an exemption, like say, hey, say something
Speaker 1: happened to Jordan Elliot? Oka say like he he got
Speaker 1: the Javon Kinlaw, Naton Tonight, TCU defensive tackle, Ross and
Speaker 1: Blacklock all seen him yet in the second round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like him too. I haven't got him kind of
Speaker 1: in that same area too, as another big man. I
Speaker 1: think we should keep our eyes on. He's kind of
Speaker 1: in the draft shows mentions for a little while Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Twitter likes him. He's powerful, hands three, one three, but
Speaker 1: they let him play the one a lot at TCU,
Speaker 1: so he's like, he's kind of a combination at the
Speaker 1: defensive tackle that can do some of everything. And Achilles
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, I am a I am in the
Speaker 1: in the boat would have always being very skeptical of
Speaker 1: anyone who's head an Achilles injury red flash just in general.
Speaker 1: When I see a person on the street who's got
Speaker 1: a bad achilles, he can't be on my pickup basketball team.
Speaker 1: He can't jump. You go tell Richard Sherman that down
Speaker 1: in Miami. Okay, I'm not telling him anything. Shots uh okay.
Speaker 1: But so you guys are all picking one? Is that
Speaker 1: what you guys? Give me a group one with bells
Speaker 1: on and like, I don't you know some people are
Speaker 1: going to be lower on Delpit I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't he might go in the twenties like seventeen
Speaker 1: could be too rich in somebody's eyes. Don't have a
Speaker 1: good read on Elliott and again, have fun sorting out
Speaker 1: these receivers. But man, that's a fun group. And all
Speaker 1: three picks address a pretty big area of need in
Speaker 1: my opinion. I have kin Law graded higher than Delpitt,
Speaker 1: and I have Ashton Davis graded higher than Jordan Elliott.
Speaker 1: I will take Group two. Wow, Javon kin Law, even
Speaker 1: though Davis as safety, you think third round is too
Speaker 1: rich for Pride though, yeah, you're just settling for that kind.
Speaker 1: The first two picks are so good you can't deny this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd like dedn't sell mems, but I don't think that's
Speaker 1: something they would seriously do if Cobb is back, I
Speaker 1: guess is the way I'm thinking. Even though I like
Speaker 1: Christian Fulton, I Group three is like a distant third
Speaker 1: for me. Well, and like like Dave said earlier, we
Speaker 1: saw these going into the show. We had already got
Speaker 1: a chance to kind of look at a couple of
Speaker 1: these guys. But I initially, whenever Jeff you sent the
Speaker 1: text message, I said, oh, group two, I'm sold on
Speaker 1: Group two. But then I, as you were reading these
Speaker 1: out this out, I went back to your one to
Speaker 1: ten scale and I just wrote down what I would
Speaker 1: how excited I would be for those specific players whenever
Speaker 1: they would come across the draft board. I chose group
Speaker 1: one just based off of my excitement. I really did
Speaker 1: even one Originally. Group one's a lot of fun and
Speaker 1: that's why it won't happen. But I'm like, yeah, the
Speaker 1: receivers are fun and exciting, so we're gonna pick up
Speaker 1: because there's a receiver in there. I might need to
Speaker 1: ban receivers from it, even these scenarios. Yeah, now you're
Speaker 1: I mean you take Dedn't tell Mims over Troy Pride.
Speaker 1: Is that's happening here? Ken l Yes, Ken Law and
Speaker 1: Ashton Davis start for this team right away, and that's
Speaker 1: that's exciting to think about. I mean, Elliott and Delpit
Speaker 1: probably do. But I just I think the order of
Speaker 1: safety and d tackles, but those the guys in group
Speaker 1: two might be more ready made. Maybe Ken Lovesny well, okay,
Speaker 1: why you gotta? And I think issues too. Davis missed
Speaker 1: the issue. They've both had some. Now, yeah that's fair,
Speaker 1: and and Davis could stand to put on about ten
Speaker 1: pounds of bull. It can be hard to do that
Speaker 1: with a issue. I'm a broken record, But get just
Speaker 1: the positioning in the draft order. No, they're not in
Speaker 1: the top ten, but this is as high as they've
Speaker 1: been picking in a while. This just for me underlines
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be good, good players available at all
Speaker 1: their pas. Oh, that's so exciting. I have some starters
Speaker 1: And that's why we're not trading up either. We're just
Speaker 1: going to sit and take Simmons. Is there, Katie at
Speaker 1: don't be months. Let's do it. Let's let's get it done.
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for our fourth episode
Speaker 1: of the Draft Show here in twenty twenty, we're already
Speaker 1: a month in. Wow, it's just funny. The combine coming
Speaker 1: up in February for Jeff Kavanaugh, for Kevin Turner, for
Speaker 1: David Helman. I'm Kyle Yeoman's thanks for watching. We'll see
Speaker 1: you next week.