WEBVTT - Draft Show: Early Round Scenarios 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.960 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:08.440 war room for in center news and trapped analysis from 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.959 deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:17.600 in Frisco, Allas, sets, running back and no your hosts 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:25.680 David Hellman, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner, and Kyle Yeoman's eighty 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.760 four days until the NFL Draft. We are back in 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:30.800 the lone star state, at least for half of the 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:34.360 table or other half has been diving in to NFL 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.360 Draft prospects over the past couple of weeks. With eighty 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:39.600 four days left, the Senior Bowl is now in the 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.519 rearview mirror and we're back with the crew of the 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:47.120 Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show with Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner, 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.879 David Hellman, I'm Kyle Yeoman's. Thanks for joining us here 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:55.000 on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio and guys Senior Bowl 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.640 in the past, and I think Dave and I would 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:00.760 both agree that you two were the ones that won 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:02.960 that battle in terms of the weather that you didn't 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.759 have to go through being out at the Senior Bowl. 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:10.000 You got to sit in your cozy ac heater and 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:13.680 watch some drapp bole practices, but man, it was cold 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:14.959 out there, and I'm glad to be back in a 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.320 st WBC Mortgage Studios completely agreed. We did not win. 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:20.160 We did not win. Why is that? Being at the 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.240 Senior Bowl's fun? It was fun. I'm not allowed to 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:24.959 go anymore. I'm sorry. They say I got too important. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.520 You're a radio big shot. Yeah they can't. They can't 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.360 make it without me anymore. I remember when you and 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.399 KT snuck off that one year and drove yourselves. I 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:36.120 used vacation days. Yeah, I had to use vacation days 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.360 to go balls at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, I wanted 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.280 to go. That just means you're committed to your craft. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.400 We checked into our hotel room at a three am, okay, 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:47.920 and they put us into our room where they give 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.400 us our room keys. And as we walk in, there's 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:54.280 an open bag of Dorito's, two open Mountain Dews luggage 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.480 that's opened with stuff in it and strewn across the floor. 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.040 And we walked right down. We're like, um, our room's 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:04.080 not empty. It's the Senior Bowl experience, like mid quality hotels, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.880 not great weather, really good football players though, yes, yeah 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:13.079 the mobile dream Yeah, good food food. I'm jealous. You 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.440 guys got to watch Denzel Mims run route in person, 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.680 and I know we only played like two hours down 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.600 the road man probably twelve opportunities to see him play 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.000 earlier this year. Yeah, well, shots fired at kat. I'm 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.440 not going to a lot of Baylor game. You know 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.760 what's really funny is Denzel Mims seems like he stole 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.680 a lot of people's hearts, which I mean he's got 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.200 he's got the tape to go with it, obviously, but 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:39.840 like a lot of people were talking about him at 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:41.760 the Senior Bowl, and I think it just goes to 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.720 show how loaded this receiver classes that I watched all 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.520 three days of practices and I was taken with about 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:50.880 three or four other guys before Mems was even on 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:55.519 my radar. Well, I liked Mims's tape already at Baylor, 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.640 so I was kind of like, okay, what everyone saw 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.200 this right when he did it the last three years 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.800 at Baylor, Like good production. And that's his up and 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.320 down of a program you could have had over the 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.839 last three years. Sure, Okay, So I'm sitting there going 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.640 so now he's everyone's sweetheart. I liked him from the beginning, 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.600 and I liked him so much that he's my thirteenth 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.280 ranked wide receiver on my board. That's kind of point. Yeah, No, 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.840 that's kind of my point is like he is, he's 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.880 a damn good player. But again, like have fun stacking 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.480 up this receiver class like I thought. I thought kJ 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.960 Hill from Ohio State was like the toast of Senior 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.639 Bowl week. Man, he was out there making people look silly. 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.560 Those guys are stacked up like club sandwiches on my board. 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:38.520 It's terrifying to try to store out the early pet 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.320 cat of Jeff Cavanaugh, Michael Pittman junior that was out 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.760 there the first couple of days of practice, and then 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:47.240 you had Antonio Gandy Golden that looked good from Liberty 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:48.600 for a little bit. I mean, there were so many 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.960 receivers that really just jumped off the page, jumped off 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.720 the field. You can immediately Chase Claypool. Claypool was great 0:03:55.760 --> 0:04:00.560 all week, Evin duvern Age, one Jennings. So I have Jefferson, 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.640 Jeff is the Jeff is the wide receiver guy. Right. 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.000 So when I always don't put pressure on me, I 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.839 always want to put pressure on But I have on 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.000 my board and this is the back of the third 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.480 round grade right here, okay. And then I added three 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.320 to four on my wide receivers. I'm gonna do two 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.800 on my wide receivers. I have got him stacked up 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.760 like this. Here's my third round grades going down. Michael Pittman, 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:26.440 Devin du Verney, too low fine, John high Tower, haven't 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:30.200 seen him, Denzel Mims, and then kJ Hill of Ohio 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:35.799 State and Tonio Gandy, Golden Quintez Cepist from Wisconsin's very interesting, okay. 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:40.520 And then leading off the fourth round Van Jefferson from Florida, Florida, 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.159 Colin Johnson from Texas not too far down, like it's 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.480 just loaded, and I this is this is not gonna 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.200 work like there there's just it's gonna work. Well, no, No, 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.479 what I'm saying is like there's gonna a lot of 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.600 good players who are disappointed at their NFL paychecks for 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.719 the rookie contract, and there's there's some round guys who're 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.000 gonna get drafted in the fifth round. That's going to happen. 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.040 Be a lot of happy NFL teams that where they 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.920 can get some badass receivers. Hopefully the Cowboys included. Denzel 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.800 Mims isn't going in the third round. That's what I 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:11.560 was kind of gonna go to as well. You have 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.760 him that so that's your third round. Grow. Yeah, you 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.840 thought you liked him, you thought you were like two 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.240 sleeconds ago. I love him. I got him in the second. 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.320 I think I've got him low second as well. He's good. 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.360 If you've got him low two, then then he's going ninety. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.480 Is the law of averages, like some of these guys 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.160 have to fall. That's how it's gonna the NFL. They 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.960 can take anything's gonna be eighteen receivers aren't gonna get 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:37.640 drafted in the second round, like I don't know that 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.640 I do. That's where I got him. All great, I 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.520 do know every one of them is the second round 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.080 for you're gonna have You're gonna have a guy with 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.440 a two next to his name sitting there on day three. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.800 I'll tell you that right now. And that's not a 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.800 knock at your twos right now or Te Higgins, Michael Pittman, 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.960 Levisca Chenault, Denzel Mims, and Brandon I because I don't think. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.520 I I'm just saying, wow, it's gonna happen for you, 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.400 Like a guy's gonna be there on day three. That 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.840 you're shocked he's still there. Oh yeah, and then we'll 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.600 pick him. Yeah hope. So there's guys in the sixth 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:06.800 round here you're going, that's a good player, and that 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.880 normally never happens. So like, that's totally gonna happen this 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:12.840 year in the wide receiver group. And I think if 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.000 there were a year to have it happen in terms 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.000 of wide receivers for Dallas, because there are so many 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:21.400 different positions of need, I think the best year to 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.360 have a deep wide receiver class like that where you 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.640 could address some of those needs in the third or 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:27.200 the fourth round. I think this year might have been 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.240 the perfect scenario. And it kind of sucks, I guess 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.760 to be an NFL wide receiver that's a free agent, yeah, 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:34.560 because you're going, okay, well, there's a lot of teams 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.080 you're just gonna go, well, I know what this draft 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:40.680 class is gonna wait, it's legitimately anything you need slot guy, 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:44.359 big slot outside guy, a possession wide receiver. You know 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.440 you can you have pretty much everything you need in multiples, 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.120 and normally there might just be there's really just one 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.880 pure slot separator that I really need to have. Well, no, 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.119 I get like five of them right now, the top 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.160 one hundred twenty maybe, and that's where it's gotta be 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.000 very difficult. But to bring it back home, this is 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:04.920 where the whole like hen Randall Cobb's going to be here, 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:06.479 and this team is probably not gonna do any of 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:07.880 that stuff, but they can get a good player and 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.320 develop him. In round five, you can get a guy. 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.400 I mean, I think the Michael Gallup pick at eighty one, 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.080 we were all shocked that he was still there or 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.280 when that happened. You're gonna get that same type of 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.600 feeling if this team pulls the trigger on a wide 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.920 receiver on day three somewhere, because you'll go, ok, that 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:22.360 might be a pretty good player who can help us 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:26.480 down the line. I feel exactly the same way. Why 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.360 don't you just let his statements stand then? Yes, say 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:34.160 say that was good enough? Katie, This is exactly yeah, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.280 Well you just wanted to hear yourself say shut up. 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.200 I agree, shut up, Jeff Yea. In terms of Denzel 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:41.080 MAM's I feel like we can all kind of agree 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.560 that his stock rose a little bit during the Senior 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:49.160 Bowl week, right sure, ago, So that's well, yeah, the 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.160 problem is your school is the problem Baylor when you 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.680 watch him play, he runs stop routes, slant routes, and 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.320 fly routes. But it was Baylor is so simple, so 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.559 you have no idea what the guy, just like Coy 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.160 Coleman coming out, but nod what he can do. He 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.000 can run fast. It was a little different. It's still 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.200 limited in terms of a route tree, but there was 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.640 more to it than Corey Coleman. And that's where I 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.880 put a little more stock into his tape than I 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.200 did Corey Coleman. So I was never terribly high on 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.560 to be honest, Like, there is a little more when 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.600 Matt Rule came in, there was a little more a 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.840 difference to the offensive scheme, but it's not you know, 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.920 it's run an occasional dig. Yeah, you know, here's a 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.200 couple of outward break four rounds. But we'll talk a 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:29.960 little bit about him, I know in the third segment, 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.400 because I can we tease a head to the third segment. Yeah, 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:36.120 Jeff has three draft scenarios, which we've gotten a lot 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.079 of questions about this, so like it's well timed. Yes, 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:43.040 So we're gonna break down like different options you could 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.599 take in the first three rounds correct, yep, yeah, you know, 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.360 different players in different rounds, and then where you would 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.640 go in the following rounds depending on where you went 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.360 in the first is kind of where we're gonna hit 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.800 at before. We gonna be exciting before we do that, though, 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:56.600 I'm curious. I mean, me and Kyle spent the whole 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.680 week together, we compared notes, we did shows down there, 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.559 so I feel like we're pretty on the same page. 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.959 But was there anything else from Senior Bowl that jumped 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.000 out to you in terms of a position, group or 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.280 a player. Shout out to the NFL Network for showing 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.920 a lot of this. That's I mean, you can, you can. 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.920 It's not quite as good as being at lad People's Stadium, yeah, 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.360 but you can follow the Senior Bowl better than ever 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.720 before at this point. Got a pretty good hunk of 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:27.080 Dayton tape that came in during during Senior Bowl week, 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:31.319 our secret secret underground tunnel that we that we got 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.200 and got to watch even more Troutman tape. And and 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:35.960 then when he went and did we did the Senior Bowl, 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.840 I went, okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I'm comfortable. So you like, 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.439 oh yeah, I liked him. I liked him on watching 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.160 two games on YouTube, and then when the dayton load 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:47.679 came in through our little secret thing that we have, 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.600 I was starting going, Okay, yeah, this is a legit 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.360 player because it's not just like a couple quick flashes. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.520 It's every single game manning up and beasting on dudes 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.040 and then going in doing it's Division one guys. At 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:02.240 the Senior Bowl. Troutman was huge last week. I thought 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.760 this is a perfect segue because it's something I've been 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.400 thinking about since I saw him. And then another one 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:11.560 is obviously Kyle Dugger, the lenor Ryan Safety. Everybody's in 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.840 love with him. I had no less than three people 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.480 who would know tell me that he's a top fifty prospect. 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.280 But my question is for anybody that wants to answer it, 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.240 Cowboys drafting either of those guys based on their history 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.200 under Will McClay, that's what I can't get past. No, 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.679 probably not, And where you would have to take him 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.720 would be your second round pick? Eat both of them? Right, Yes, 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.000 both of those guys, because neither one would be an 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.320 option seventeen, I would imagine, and I don't think they 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.880 still Ryan seventeen, and I don't think they'd still be 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.760 there at eighty one. Either I would take a small 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:48.880 school talented guy over a big school guy that's not 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.840 very good well and made that mistake. Kind of playing 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:53.680 off of that. Kyle Dugger did get a chance to 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.760 talk about that during the Senior Bowl week. We've got 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.800 a clip from Dugger in the conversation that he had 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.640 kind of talking about the kind of player that Kyle 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.320 Dugger believes you would get if you drafted him. Some 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.280 people don't think necessarily just because I went to a 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.160 small school that I should have had the opportunity to 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:11.240 be here, and others just feel like I won't have 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:15.000 success here um and doctors can't make the adjustment. Things 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.880 like that. Just really a lot of doubts on just 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.160 coming from the small school and me not being able 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.440 to have success. Um. I feel like it's definitely an 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.200 underdog mentality. UM. I guess you would call that pride 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.320 and kind of make them together. But uh, it's gonna 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.720 it's always gonna be there. I don't know, it's it's 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.720 something that's that's going to be pretty permanent for me. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.440 It's having that pride in that and that underdog mentality. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:35.960 So I feel like it's going to show up a lot, 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.040 especially when I'm allowed to touch the field and really 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.439 start feeling it and let the passionate intensity kind of 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:45.360 come out. So that's what you're gonna get from Kyle Dugger. 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.480 He knows what's kind of ahead of him in terms 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.640 of being that small school guy. And I like what 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:51.360 you had to say, Jeff saying I would rather take 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.920 a small school guy that can ball over a big 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.200 school guy that might have some question marks. Well, and 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.480 I haven't gotten Leonora Ryan tape yet, have fun finding 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.559 it's hard to find. When we get some Lenora Ryan tape, 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:06.160 I can get better feelings on that individual player. And 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.280 I get what you're saying. We're Will McClay. I mean, 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.440 he's on the record where they would prefer it to 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.319 be a big school guy. But I think that there's 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.160 there's a lot when you're talking about what do I 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:17.200 want in a prospect. I want him to have gone 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:21.080 to a big school, had incredible production and test great. Okay, sweet, 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.640 that guy gets picked in the top five. Sure, So 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.440 now which part can we start to take away and 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.160 figure out? Okay, where does he go? Like, I don't 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.440 I don't think they're afraid of the small school guy. 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:35.000 If it's the right guy, they would prefer everybody would prefer, 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:36.520 because it's a lot easier to watch a guy play 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:41.480 against LSU then Bama, then Auburn and evaluate him that way. 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:45.480 But I believe in this this scouting staff and Will 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.959 McClay that if if they think that that dude's a player, 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.640 that they'll take him wherever he's from. I think I 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.400 would just need to see it to believe it, because 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.079 I mean I went back. I mean, you know, Will's 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.480 basically he's been on top of the draft board since 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.280 twenty fourteen and they've taken players from small school wasn't 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.520 that time obviously, Like you're not always going to get 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.920 to draft guys from blue blood programs. But their idea 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:10.360 of a small school guy is Central Michigan Boyse, Central Florida, 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:14.160 Central Florida, or you know, I'm I'm sure forgetting some 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.760 other guys that went to some smaller Division one. It's no, 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.720 that's the thing. They haven't drafted fcs since twenty twelve. 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:26.000 BBW web and actually JJ Wilcox was in that draw 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:30.160 draft before Georgia Southern jumped up. Kyle Dugger is not 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.439 shaped like b W Web, you know, BW Web is 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:34.120 a tiny guy you're kind of taking a chance on. 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.320 They haven't drafted in Division two players since two thousand 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.400 and nine, which I believe was a quasi usa asa. 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.720 I hope I didn't, But you got there eventually. Yeah, 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:44.880 like dugger. Here are your three games if you at 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.319 home want to follow along, And here's his tape that's 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.480 on YouTube. Okay, oh I got okay, it's a twenty 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.440 nineteen it gets to school them, twenty nineteen it gets 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:57.400 to mars Hill, and twenty eighteen it gets North Greensville, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.040 So good luck with that. But but here's the thing, 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:00.920 here's why I would keep my coming into the year. 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.680 Stain Hill, that's a local high school. I still like 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:07.160 this player to creative school. Tight End Jared Pintney of Vanderbilt. 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:10.640 I still like him coming into the year. I know 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.240 draftnicks around the world were going, oh, he's tighten one 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.199 going in this year. And then Vanderbilt's offense was such garbage. 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.880 He had like twenty catches, but all week at the 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.600 Senior Bowl, Peintney could not get free because Ugger was 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.680 eating him alive. Well, and I was going to ask 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.720 that same question. This kind of goes the opposite way 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.040 of what Dave was saying a moment ago. It's easy 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.720 to say, hey, your stock was rising from the Senior 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:33.520 Bowl because there's a lot of guys that stand out. 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:35.880 Pinney was one of the guys that I said his 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:37.840 stock kind of went down a little bit. Maybe not 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.920 because individually he was dominated by by Kyle Dugger. I 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.120 just wasn't necessarily impressed. He had a couple of drops 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.840 in practice that I didn't like. It seemed like one 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.000 on one drills. He wasn't necessarily up to par as well. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.080 But who were some other guys that you saw that 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.000 maybe saw their stock drop a little bit over the 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:59.600 week in Mobile? It's interesting. I was not impressed at 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.040 all the quarterbacks at all. And I know a lot 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.880 of people were like, oh, Herbert solidified a top fifteen pick. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:07.720 I mean, I didn't see that. But again I was 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.240 not there on the ground for every throwing drill. And 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.160 he's going in the top fifty I know, and that's 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.240 it's great news. I hope he does and send him 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.320 on up the board Jordan Love. But I was watching 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.200 the quartersons go. Man, there's a lot of bad throws here, 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.520 but um, you know, there's some of those guys who 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.680 are trying to cling on to the Anthony Gordon's and 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:27.360 the Monteses of the world too. And I just sat 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.480 there and went, this seems like a weaker quarterback class 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:33.240 than we've had in past years. Um, but again, just 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.400 watching watching on the NFL network is way different than 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.080 being No, I'm on the ground and mobile like you 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:39.760 guys were. I would agree with that for the most part. 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.600 I thought Herbert and Love were good. But and but 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:44.240 the rest, I mean, I just don't think the rest 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.160 of those guys. Maybe Anthony Gordon does, but like Shaye 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:51.560 Patterson Jalen Hurts, Patterson's not NFL No, I know it's 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.360 Shaye Patterson, Jalen Hurts, Like, those guys do not have 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.960 lengthy NFL careers in front of them. I do not 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:02.320 think the Colorado quarterback probably saying, um, you were pretty 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.880 high on Anthony Gordon. Though I like Anthony Gordon, and 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.600 I mean I feel like I've watched way more Washington 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:12.160 State football than is reasonable because they're always on at 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.360 like eleven when you get home on Saturday. Yeah, but 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.560 you're also impaired at that point for sure. Games always 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.240 get weird exactly. That's and I'm like, fine, touchdown game 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.120 earlier this year, Yeah, it does get weird. But one 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.280 thing with Anthony Gordon that I saw during practice, he 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.080 looked better than he did in the game, at least 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:31.840 to me, just because he didn't have a ton of 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.720 happy feet, but because when he's back in the pocket, 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.640 he's so active with his feet, and it's kind of odd. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.880 It's if go back and look at it, you look 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.080 down at his feet, it's almost like he's pitter pattering 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.400 the entire time he's in the pocket. Whereas that's not 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.520 necessarily a bad thing, but in the game it's even 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.000 more magnified. As to whenever he was in practice. When 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:53.800 he was in practice and able to kind of sit 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.520 back there not worrying about getting hit, his feet were 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.720 still he looked confident. But when he's in the game, 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.600 he's running around, he's got all the pitter patter of 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.400 the feet all the way through. He did throw a 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.439 couple of touchdown passes, and he looked good in the 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.360 game in terms of the production that he put out there. 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.120 But I just wasn't necessarily impressed with the footwork overall 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.480 from Gordon. I'll tell you so. I know you said 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:16.760 stock drop stock up for me. You know I said 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.479 it last week. I was disappointed. You know, Christian Fulton 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.800 probably would have been the best cornerback at that game. 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.960 Probably he pulled out for injury reasons. I did not 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.520 have a whole lot of thoughts about any of the 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.560 other guys that were there. I came away really impressed 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.560 with several of them. Troy Pride Junior had a fantastic week, 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.960 got an interception in the game. Wilder Kendall was a 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.600 guy that was the buzz of practices, got an interception 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:43.280 in the game. Georgia Southern, Darnay Holmes from UCLA, and 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.880 then probably my favorite of all of them was Dane Jackson, 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:50.080 the Pittsburgh cornerback. I mean, still probably a Day three guy, 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:54.800 but a super confident, super smooth looking cornerback who had 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:58.160 no problem handling any of these guys, and that that 0:17:58.200 --> 0:17:59.760 was what was so impressive. We spent the top of 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.840 the talking about how great these receivers were. He showed 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:04.720 out against a lot of them. I got Day three 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:06.919 grades on every guy that you mentioned, but I think 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:08.879 they all deserve a lot of credit for going out 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.239 and competing and the guys that stood out absolutely get 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.040 brownie points for me, because you know, when all these 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.960 cornerbacks started dropping out, I mean, Gladnee from TCU was 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.840 going to be there, and I'm glad he's my second 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.480 cornerback on the board right now. I didn't think he 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.160 needed to be there. You know, you know another guy 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.200 who I didn't think needed to be there. I thought 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.000 it was interesting that he pulled out. Is Javon Kinlaw. 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.000 Yeah to go, but it's like, you know what didn't 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.040 need to be there in the first place. But then 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.720 we'd heard about two or three weeks ago some knee 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:41.880 and whisper. I'm going it was that a good thing 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.240 or a bad thing. They pulled him out on purpose, 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.359 I think, but it is the knee a problem, and 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:49.800 now I'm still conflicted with what to think about him. 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.080 I know what I feel about the player, I do 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:53.800 not know what I feel about the knee. Put a 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.560 dog ear on that page and your finder come back 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.440 back to it in February, and I'm glad you brought 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:01.320 up Troy Junior because we got a chance to hear 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.840