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Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast, the Alternative Rock of Football podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL. My name

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Speaker 1: is Dan Hans. This I am coming to you from

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Speaker 1: a virtual room filled with one hero. It's another two

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Speaker 1: hand or with GREGGI. Rosenthal. What's up, Buddy?

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Speaker 2: I like being the Alternative Rock of Football podcast.

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Speaker 1: What do you think that means? How do you like

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Speaker 1: describe that or break that down?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's like there's mainstream and we're like

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Speaker 2: a little left of center. Maybe we rock hard world

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Speaker 2: enough that we were around when alternative rock radio stations

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Speaker 2: were invented, Like they did not exist when we were children,

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Speaker 2: and then they popped up around nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 1: Right, I kind of see us maybe as if we're

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Speaker 1: going to extend this the Smashing Pumpkins like but maybe

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Speaker 1: before like Gish Era or Siamese Dream, but before Melancholin,

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Speaker 1: Melancholy and the Infinite Sadness put us in that slot,

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Speaker 1: certainly before Ava Door.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as long as you're Billy Corgan and I'm

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Speaker 2: James Iha.

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Speaker 1: Who makes Who's Darcy?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 1: Speaking of music, it's definitely Mark. Mark is in parts

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Speaker 1: unknown today. Speaking of music, I am at my parents'

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Speaker 1: beach house in Jersey for one more week before we

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Speaker 1: batten down the hatches back in La For us would

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Speaker 1: be a fun exercise. My dad, Keith has roughly two

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Speaker 1: hundred old LP's down in the basement that have survived

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Speaker 1: through fifty years now. So I'm going to share you

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Speaker 1: just five that I pulled at random. This one, Connor

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Speaker 1: Or would like this one. This is the best of

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Speaker 1: the Grateful Dead. How about that? Don't you miss LPs?

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Speaker 1: Well we kind of missed him entirely, Greg, But the

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Speaker 1: the cover art and everything is very nice art work there.

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Speaker 2: I can just imagine your dad, you know, rolling joints

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Speaker 2: on top of that, you really can't, I'm joking, I

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Speaker 2: kind of can't imagine that.

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Speaker 1: Well, you were on the right track. He used the

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Speaker 1: parlance of the time, blown a bone while listening to

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Speaker 1: The Grateful Dead. Then the eighties came along, and look

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Speaker 1: here we go. Here's Huey Lewis Sports, which is seminal

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Speaker 1: in eighties pop rock. Somehow, George Carlin check out the

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Speaker 1: YouTube show to see these covers. George Carlin Toledo Window

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Speaker 1: Box a stand up special of some kind. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if this is Pete Carlin or not Gregy, but

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Speaker 1: seems to be close. Of course, here we go everyone

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Speaker 1: had in the seventies Fleetwood mac rumors.

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Speaker 2: Does he have a working record player that you can

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Speaker 2: play these on?

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Speaker 1: Yes? And my goodness, look at Stevie Nicks in the

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Speaker 1: back of that, GREGI modern now beautiful woman. And finally,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to ask Keith about this one because

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Speaker 1: I think some of my mom stuff sneaks in. But

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Speaker 1: here's the self titled album by Chare nineteen seventy one.

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Speaker 2: All right, I think I think young men were share fans.

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Speaker 2: My dad had all those records, maybe not the Share one,

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Speaker 2: but there was definitely some Linda Ronstats, some Share and

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Speaker 2: I think that was appropriate for the young men at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ronstad had that Laurel Canyon cred back in the seventies.

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Speaker 1: It is, so there you go, nice little detour there,

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Speaker 1: and maybe I'll share a couple more on Thursday show.

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Speaker 1: Today is Monday, July seventeenth, GREGI, for those who are

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Speaker 1: hazy on the details training camp, when is it kicking off? Bud?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad you asked. I found this out today.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know the Jets are the first team to

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Speaker 2: show up. They're doing that thing that I said teams

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Speaker 2: should want to get in the Hall of Fame game

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Speaker 2: because then they get to show up for practice actually weekly,

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Speaker 2: and then they get all the coverage for a week.

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Speaker 2: So the Jets are showing up Wednesday, the Browns taking

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Speaker 2: their time also in that game, showing up two or

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Speaker 2: three days later, and then the rest of the team

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Speaker 2: start showing up a week from when we're recording this,

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Speaker 2: which is Monday, so they start showing up next week.

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Speaker 2: So this is also our last week where we're in

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Speaker 2: parts unknown. We'll be all back together for the rest

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Speaker 2: of time, essentially till a Super Bowl championhis ground.

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Speaker 1: That is that is interesting that the Browns have opted

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Speaker 1: the track as we spin forward into the new season,

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Speaker 1: and yes, with training camp on the horizon for all

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Speaker 1: of the thirty two teams, we're gonna a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a pre training camp primer, you know, storylines to

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Speaker 1: watch out for, storylines, Gregy that matter. As teams report

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Speaker 1: for another season of NFL football, the eleventh season of

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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast, Can you believe it?

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Speaker 2: If we were like an NFL player, who would we be.

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Speaker 2: I think Brandon Cooks might be entering his eleventh year,

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Speaker 2: tenth year. I don't know. At some point we're gonna

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Speaker 2: if we're lucky enough, we're gonna outlast every NFL.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why Cooks doesn't work, because you got

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Speaker 1: to pick somebody that's spent their entire career with one team.

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Speaker 2: Let's think DeAndre Hopkins.

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Speaker 1: Yes, DeAndre Hopkins, a great wide receiver joining a new team.

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Speaker 1: Let's get before we get to the free agency primer,

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Speaker 1: Let's get to the news.

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Speaker 4: Fourteen seconds to go thirty one thirty one. Bat dodge

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Speaker 4: a Ducklow tracks, packs it at the thirty five, picks

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Speaker 1: He's at the courting. He's at the thirty time whatshop berth.

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Speaker 2: He comes dodge, he's.

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Speaker 1: Running around, but he's heavy. Tone.

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Speaker 2: He his bell toon heavy Eagles Man Diagles went business

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Speaker 1: Battle arts no birth too.

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Speaker 1: One of the craziest games of the last twenty years.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles Giants twenty ten. That's the Michael vickiear down

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Speaker 1: thirty one ten midway through the fourth quarter, crazy comeback

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Speaker 1: to get it to even and then Matt Dodge, Poor

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Speaker 1: Matt Dodge, the rookie Giants punter kicks a line drive

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Speaker 1: middle of the field to the most dangerous man in

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Speaker 1: the world to shun Jackson, who takes it to the

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Speaker 1: house for one of the great comeback wins in modern

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Speaker 1: NFL history. I'll never forget Gregi Tom Coughlin being so

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Speaker 1: angry at his punter that that's the only thing on

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Speaker 1: it to d jacks who you know. The reason I

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Speaker 1: had Eric Roberts pull that gregy is because it appeared

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Speaker 1: this morning that Deshaun Jackson was ready to end his career.

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Speaker 1: He posted on Instagram a photo of breaking a tackle

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Speaker 1: as a raven he's bounced around a lot in recent years,

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Speaker 1: with the accompanying text did it my way, fifteen years strong,

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Speaker 1: Never another one like it. And then when it started

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Speaker 1: to float out there that he was retiring, he said

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Speaker 1: boy boy capitalized and it's spelled BOI retire And I

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Speaker 1: like that. Greg Actually, first of all the fact that

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Speaker 1: Deshaun maybe does have another year in him, but a

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Speaker 1: smart veteran move letting the people out there by getting

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Speaker 1: himself of a news cycle, letting him know that Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm here and I want to play, And that was

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Speaker 1: I thought a deaf the use of social media.

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Speaker 2: of the first time around, but yeah, Ram's legend Deshaun Jackson,

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Speaker 2: I meant, yeah, the last few years, he still looks

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Speaker 2: an age that way, but he never stays on the field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see if d Jacks shows up again.

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Speaker 1: Somebody who definitely will be on the field is DeAndre Hopkins,

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Speaker 1: whose long odyssey in free agent free agency came to

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. So he returned to the AFC South, of course,

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Speaker 1: Sheet reported on Sunday that the three time All Pro

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Speaker 1: and the deal could be worth up to thirty two

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Speaker 1: if ever happens, but he ends up Greg getting the

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Speaker 1: been sitting on the market for a month or two. However,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's the Titans, and there's gonna be questions

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw some Patriots fans like unhappy that they

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Speaker 2: a clue that Mike Reese said the Patriots were maybe

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Speaker 2: the money. Patriots fan, Oh it was like, Oh, you're

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think the Titans signed DeAndre Hopkins

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Speaker 2: because they think they're gonna win. Not that I think

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Speaker 2: Dan that Mike Rabel is in with this whole rebuilding idea.

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Speaker 2: He still got Ryan Tannehill, he's got a defense that

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Speaker 2: help him do that.

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Speaker 1: And in his mind, yeah, exactly. And I think we

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Speaker 1: all waited for the Titans to dismantle their roster this

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Speaker 1: offseason because it just felt like that this current iteration

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Speaker 1: Mike Frable says, I think we could squeeze another year

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Speaker 1: now they go and find, hypothetically the replacement for aj

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Speaker 1: Brown Treylon Trayvon Burks, who was the first round pick

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Speaker 1: that void for Brown a year ago, now gets bumped down.

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Speaker 1: But you have a compelling one to punch there. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I thought it was interesting that. I'll look

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Speaker 1: at ESPN, for example, a headline Hopkins defends choice of

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Speaker 1: you know how you want your big signing to be

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Speaker 1: spun in the national media. He wrote, I always loved

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Speaker 1: having haters and doubters, but I appreciate it even more now.

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Speaker 3: Titan.

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Speaker 1: So if you're a Titans fan, Greg, you're pumped up

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Speaker 1: because you feel like the team has a chance in

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Speaker 1: a division that's frankly even with the Jaguars rise. I

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Speaker 1: think wide open.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've thought people have been digging dirt on the

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Speaker 2: Titans too early, even before this move, Like, yes, it

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Speaker 1: in business when they didn't make a aggressive draft pick

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Speaker 1: of a running back. But man, they maybe could have

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Speaker 1: done business and gotten with Cook, but they decided to

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Speaker 1: stay with Mixing.

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Speaker 2: I'd rather have Cook. I do wonder Pollard is coming

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Speaker 2: off of a broken ankle and leg, and we'll see

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Speaker 2: if he's ready for week one. I think that's the expectation.

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Speaker 2: But they're thin in the backfield. The Cowboys to me

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Speaker 2: behind him and like you're gonna ask him to have

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Speaker 2: his biggest workload ever coming off of a huge injury.

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Speaker 2: They would be an interesting team. I think that no

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Speaker 2: one has really talked about for Cook or for Kareem Hunt,

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Speaker 2: who is out there as well.

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Speaker 1: This is kind of cheating because you could say this

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Speaker 1: like about any player, just something about the Cowboys. But

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Speaker 1: I could picture Dalvin Cook in a Cowboys uniform. It

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Speaker 1: kind of makes sense to me. Let's finish up with

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Speaker 1: a couple of fun items here, GREGI, speaking of running backs,

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Speaker 1: Miles Sanders, former Eagles running back now with the Panthers.

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Speaker 1: He's excited to play with number one overall pick, Bryce Young.

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Speaker 1: But Bryce Young has another quarter back in the room

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Speaker 1: with him. It is Andy Dalton and Miles Sanders. Greg.

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Speaker 1: Did you see this? Greg? Miles Sanders was on Sports

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Speaker 1: Radio ninety two to seven w fn Z speaking about

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, our friend, the man, the myth, the legend,

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Speaker 1: the Dalton line himself. And this is what Sanders had

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Speaker 1: to say.

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Speaker 6: And that's the main thing I've noticed in OTAs. We

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Speaker 6: got a very very good young quarterback. That's it's being

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Speaker 6: meant to buy a very very very good quarterback fer

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Speaker 6: Andy Dalton, that I have a lot of respect for it.

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Speaker 1: Give it up for Miles Sanders. And yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: little strong to call Andy Dalton a future Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a touch, maybe a touch, But you know what else,

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Speaker 1: I respect you, Miles Sanders for giving Dalton the pop,

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Speaker 1: the glowing ginger man, three time Pro Bowl selection, he

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Speaker 1: is top thirty all time in passing yards and us

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Speaker 1: he's an incredible human being obviously, and eyebrows to die

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Speaker 1: for Hall of Famer to me, So maybe that makes

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Speaker 1: two of us.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think two of those Pro Bowls were

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Speaker 2: like as the number six, you know, replacement on the AFC.

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Speaker 2: But I guess they don't. They don't put those asteriks upt.

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Speaker 2: I I would like. I do feel like it's the

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Speaker 2: natural evolution of future Hall of Famer. At some point

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Speaker 2: the term just becomes meaningless, kind of like goat like

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Speaker 2: and that's fine. Now everyone accepts if you say goat,

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Speaker 2: it just means you're a good player. Right now, future

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer can just be like anyone who is

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Speaker 2: pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope that doesn't happen. The Hall of Fame enshrine.

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Speaker 1: It's coming up is that next weekend.

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Speaker 2: This week we got it's Hall of Fame weekend when

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Speaker 2: the Jets and Browns play, right, Actually that they play

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Speaker 2: on Thursday, And yeah, the Hall of Fame ceremonies a

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Speaker 2: couple of days later. They announced the order of that today. Dan,

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Speaker 2: that's how slow the news is. That was a hot

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Speaker 2: news item. Damn great Joe Thomas, I think is the

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Speaker 2: last guy speaking that night.

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Speaker 1: Twenty fourth most Oh, he's gonna be good. Twenty fourth

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Speaker 1: most yardage yards in league history. Greg.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Now I'm with it. If only because true Hall

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Speaker 2: of famers do it in multiple places, and his twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two season will always be remembered by me as

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Speaker 2: like a sneaky, underrated yea, you love.

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Speaker 1: His twenty twenty two season. Yeah, two hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: four passing touchdown, twenty seventh Top thirty kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: Finally in the news. Congratulations are in order and some

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Speaker 1: privacy for Tyler Lockett, who, once upon a time. Greg

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Speaker 1: a few years back discussed his h's he was a

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Speaker 1: chaste man. Is that a way to put it? Sure?

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Speaker 3: He was.

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Speaker 1: He was waiting, He was patient, He separated, He separated

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Speaker 1: the carnal side of relationships from the love side of

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Speaker 1: it and the ring side of it. He waited, he

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Speaker 1: was waiting for marriage. He was a virgin.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you made me say it, Greg, I mean I

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Speaker 2: had nothing to be afraid to say. He was saying it.

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Speaker 2: He was a thirty year old virgin by the time

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Speaker 2: I think he got married. Here he'd been with his

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Speaker 2: beautiful bride girlfriend for four years, made her wait, and

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Speaker 2: so congratulations are in order, and he brought together You know,

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Speaker 2: I saw the pictures from the wedding you got Russell

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Speaker 2: Wilson there, you got Geno there, he's he's bringing people together.

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Speaker 1: I wish I had the and yes not to question

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Speaker 1: anyone's faith based choices. So if you're out there and

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Speaker 1: you followed a similar path, that are currently following similar path,

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Speaker 1: go for it. I have a lot of respect, quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: for the willpower that must take. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: how it works, Greggie, but that is outrageous to be

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Speaker 1: able to wait four years.

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Speaker 3: You said they dated.

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Speaker 2: That's what that's what they are un that's me is like.

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Speaker 1: The greatest achievement in the history of mankind, more or

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Speaker 1: less from my perspective.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that I respect anyone that can do something

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Speaker 2: so out of step with the rest of society and

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Speaker 2: the rest of like an NFL locker room. It takes

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Speaker 2: some hutzpa, some cajones to put that out publicly, that

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Speaker 2: this is how I'm gonna lead. You try to make

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Speaker 2: fun of me, you try to and just I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna act like you act right and.

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Speaker 1: He and he also to put out a poetry book too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this guy was just operating on levels that

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Speaker 1: I can't help but admire it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it owns a real estate company, I believe, so

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Speaker 2: he's he's a renaissance man.

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Speaker 1: M Meanwhile, Greg had, like, you know, one girlfriend after another,

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Speaker 1: and in high school and you know, I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't imagine you were a man of faith or much

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Speaker 1: class back then. You were just rolling through western Massachusetts back.

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Speaker 2: Then minutchag Regional High School. I mean not exactly that.

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Speaker 2: That's exaggerating it. But there was a little sweet spot

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Speaker 2: before before I realized short guys aren't supposed to get

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Speaker 2: all the girls.

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Speaker 1: You know what is you came to that realization. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm just that awareness and that it slowed down.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't know, maybe a little bit or or

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Speaker 2: the girls started caring in high school. They'll just take

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Speaker 2: anyone with a little confidence.

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Speaker 1: High school was tough for me. Yeah, that was I

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Speaker 1: was on the Tyler Lockett path to enlightenment, but not

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Speaker 1: by choice because it again, I sometimes I forgot Greg.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of younger listeners. If you're a

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Speaker 1: younger listener and you're kind of not doing so hot

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Speaker 1: initially with the your opposite sex or your choice of

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Speaker 1: sex and a partner hanging there, it is about confidence.

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Speaker 1: It's all about confidence. If you don't think you're worthy

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Speaker 1: of having girl and stuff like that, You're not gonna

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Speaker 1: get one. I don't know when I gained that enlightenment, Greg,

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Speaker 1: but it took into my early twenties to really get that.

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Speaker 1: Put a bow on the conversation.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's and it can go up and down.

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Speaker 2: You know, you could have the confidence. You can lose

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Speaker 2: it for a little while, you can get it back.

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Speaker 2: So if you lose it, don't worry, it's coming back.

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Speaker 1: I think this is the plot of the second Austin

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Speaker 1: Powers movie. Basically, watch that, kids, and you'll understand everything

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Speaker 1: that I'm trying to express. Let's take a break and

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Speaker 1: we will be back with some training camp talk. Now, right,

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Speaker 1: we are back, Greg, before we get to a primer

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Speaker 1: of training camp things to watch for, things that matter.

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Speaker 1: One last thing that I saw this morning I wanted

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Speaker 1: to share with you. Somebody over on the NFL subreddit

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Speaker 1: put together a chart. Let's fly that up there, Eric

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Speaker 1: of one score game flips in the NFL in two

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Speaker 1: thousand twenty two. I find it interesting, Greg, when the difference,

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Speaker 1: you know, how how many games just come down to

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Speaker 1: one or two plays, and how different things would be,

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Speaker 1: and when you talk about teams that will come back

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Speaker 1: to the pack or maybe go in a different direction.

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Speaker 1: Look at how the previous season ended, and maybe you

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Speaker 1: maybe you get some what do they call that positive regression.

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Speaker 1: So teams that one score games, if you flip them,

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Speaker 1: For instance, the Eagles had five one score games. If

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Speaker 1: you flip those wins to losses, they would have finished

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Speaker 1: nine and eight. The Raiders and Broncos both if you

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Speaker 1: flip their one score losses to one score wins, they

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Speaker 1: would have been eleven and six and ten and seven, respectively.

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Speaker 1: The Chiefs, the defending champions, were a negative. If they

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Speaker 1: went negative four ten and seven, they would have been which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, good teams and well coached teams win

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Speaker 1: close games, so you're gonna see that as a theme

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Speaker 1: as well well.

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Speaker 2: Surprising though to see the Raiders suddenly ahead of the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Or right, a lot of heartbreakers for the Chiefs. A

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Speaker 1: very strange AFC West season last year. And then if

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Speaker 1: you the NFC North, I'll just I'll take a look

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Speaker 1: at the If the Chiefs lost three games on one score,

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Speaker 1: they could have been eleven and six. In a different world,

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Speaker 1: Bears could have been the Lions, Excuse me, could have

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Speaker 1: been eleven and six in a different world. The Bears,

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Speaker 1: if you flip five losses by one score, they would

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Speaker 1: have been eight and nine, and they still ended up

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Speaker 1: with you know, top pick and a reconfigured roster, and

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Speaker 1: then the Vikings. Again. Such a strange season, Greg, in

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Speaker 1: so many ways, we all know it. This exercise is

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Speaker 1: very interesting. They had nine wins by one score, a historic.

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Speaker 1: If you would have flipped that, they would have finished

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Speaker 1: four and thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Weird, weird, weird, Well, not just nine wins, but like

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Speaker 2: plus nine. You know, they didn't have any close losses

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Speaker 2: or maybe I think they might add ten close or

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Speaker 2: eleven close wins and two close losses something like that.

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Speaker 2: It is very weird, and I think that's why a

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Speaker 2: lot of people are picking the against the maybe actually

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Speaker 2: come in last instead of just coming in last.

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Speaker 1: In this and two outliers Greg, the Ravens and the

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Speaker 1: Patriots their delta, which is an interesting way to put it.

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Speaker 1: Zero one score games last year.

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Speaker 2: Is that possible?

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Speaker 3: I guess it is?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's no, it's that they were at five hundred

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Speaker 2: in terms of one score games.

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Speaker 1: Is oh, I see, now I get it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Like they went one in one, got it, got it?

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Speaker 1: Got it makes more sense? All right? Interesting kind of

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to it now, Greg, Training camp

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Speaker 1: is ready. We are about to have a new season

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Speaker 1: of NFL football. Tons of storylines are going to start

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Speaker 1: flying at football fans. We are going to call out

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Speaker 1: some impending storylines or situations to watch across the league

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Speaker 1: that we think matter more than the avalanche of content

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get. So we're cherry picking here, stuff that

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Speaker 1: we think really matters. Why don't you get it going?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've learned over the years, like I love camp

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Speaker 2: because it gets you ready and it gets you thinking

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Speaker 2: about all the things. But so much of it is

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Speaker 2: just waiting for Week one to start because you don't

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Speaker 2: really learn that much about veterans, but you do learn

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Speaker 2: a lot about rookies. And the one rookie quarterback that

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Speaker 2: I think it really matters to watch is Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm just assuming Bryce Young and c. J. Stroud

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Speaker 2: start in Week one. I don't really I know Young

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Speaker 2: is and I'm pretty sure Stroud is. But Richardson and

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Speaker 2: how he develops throughout the month and then especially how

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Speaker 2: he plays in the preseason, to me, you know, impacts

652
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Speaker 2: big time, whether the Colts are going to be interesting

653
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Speaker 2: to watch week one or not, or if it's going

654
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: to be Gardner Minshew and his development, to me is

655
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: one of the most fascinating stories to watch.

656
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Speaker 1: That was my number one story to watch also, and

657
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: it's because of multiple reasons, starting first and foremost with

658
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: like how much hype is around Richardson. Now is this

659
00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: unbelievable athlete and potential playmaker at a elite level? But

660
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: also what happened last year with the Colts and management

661
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: and this feeling that what is that ship being run

662
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: in the right way? Is quite frankly, Jim Mersey patient

663
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: enough to handle a prospect is Raws Richardson who started

664
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Speaker 1: just thirteen college games. He becomes the number four overall pick.

665
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Speaker 1: You have a very suitable, passable, competent backup in Gardner

666
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Speaker 1: Minshew if you want to play the game, and you know,

667
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Speaker 1: coming from a fan of a team that rushed a

668
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: green quarterback into the lineup like the what Jets. The

669
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: Jets did was Zach Wilson. I'm not saying that would

670
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Speaker 1: have changed Wilson's career necessarily or even Sam Donald before that,

671
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Speaker 1: but when you do that and the guy's not ready

672
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: or the team around him is not ready, you could

673
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Speaker 1: irreparably harm the player. So I hope the best the

674
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Speaker 1: best case for this, for the for the Colts, and

675
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Speaker 1: for Richardson is that he is locked in. He's progressing quickly,

676
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Speaker 1: he has some nice moments in the preseason, and there's

677
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Speaker 1: a lot of positivity around him heading into Week one.

678
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: But the reports out of the rookie mini camp OTA's

679
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: veteran mini camp. This is from James Boyd to the

680
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: Athletic he quote rarely had the best day. Overall, the

681
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: rookie must become more knowledgeable of the playbook and sharpens

682
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: throwing mechanics. If Indie plans on handling the keys and

683
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: its opener, he's a raw player, greg and they have

684
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: to be careful not to because they want it so

685
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: much just to put him in week one. I know

686
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Speaker 1: the way we do it now in the league is

687
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: you just put the kid in almost always, but that

688
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you have to do it. And I just

689
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: hope they are monitoring this the right way rather than

690
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Speaker 1: just he's playing and that's it and it's gonna work

691
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: out right.

692
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Speaker 2: And I think that's where having a good like beat

693
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Speaker 2: reporter crew covering the team. In this case, they do

694
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: have a good one. We got our friend Zach Kiefer.

695
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: They get Stephen Holden, like they'll they'll be giving us

696
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: the real deal of how he looks, and the first

697
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: week less important. It's a couple weeks in once you

698
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: put the pads on, once you get a couple of

699
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 2: weeks of data, and the preseasonal matter for him. Russell Wilson,

700
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,479
Speaker 2: to me, is the number one example of a guy

701
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: who almost immediately was kind of winning the practice reports

702
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: and then won the preseason two and you're like, wow,

703
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: this is a third round pick that is going to

704
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: be better than everyone expects and is going to start

705
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Speaker 2: week one. But it's not always like that.

706
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Speaker 1: Yes, I agree.

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Speaker 2: By the way Ersay you mentioned, I know you're on

708
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Speaker 2: the East Coast. Did you happen to make it over

709
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Speaker 2: to Boston this weekend to the TD Garden for where

710
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 2: the Jim Ersay collection was there traveling museum in a

711
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: one of a kind of free event where the Jim

712
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: Arsay Band played to a relatively packed TD Garden. Again

713
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 2: it was free, including a band member's Mike Mills, founding

714
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: member of Ram and Kenny Arnnoff, who's played with Paul

715
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: McCartney in the row Stones. How about that.

716
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Speaker 1: It's about a ten hour round trip from far the

717
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: Jersey Shore right here, so I did miss it. It

718
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: does remind me like rim is one of my favorite

719
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Speaker 1: bands of all time. And at the Giants Patriots to

720
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: super Bowl in Indianapolis, Mike Mills was at the Marriotte

721
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Speaker 1: Bar at the same time as me and I had

722
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Speaker 1: had a couple of tito's and I decided to go

723
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Speaker 1: up to Mike Mills, who I think he was obviously

724
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: connect the Dots, was at an event with Jim Irsey

725
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: that weekend for the Super Bowl, and I told Mike

726
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: Mills that I believed him to be, after shaking his hand,

727
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: the greatest backing harmony vocalist in the history of rock.

728
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Speaker 1: And he looked at me like, that's a weird thing

729
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: to dive into immediately after an introduction, But thank you

730
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Speaker 1: very much, And that was the end of the interaction.

731
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's important you had him ranked that high.

732
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: He had to know. But yeah, where do you go?

733
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Speaker 2: Where do you go from that? In a conversation? I

734
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Speaker 2: want to do the kids? Do kids listen to RAM.

735
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Speaker 2: You know, I would like to know if you, if

736
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: you listen to this podcast, has RIM had any carryover

737
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: with the younger generation. I don't feel like it they

738
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Speaker 2: have as much as you would think.

739
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Speaker 1: It's funny you should say that because, as you know,

740
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Speaker 1: my buddy Bob, we do the Throwback podcast and we've

741
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: been building up to do an episode called Appreciate RM

742
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: because I feel like they don't have that kind of

743
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: next generation understanding of how important they were and how

744
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: great they were. Maybe that moment comes in time, but

745
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: I'm with you, they've kind of fallen through the cracks

746
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: in terms of having a tail. If you will, you

747
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: know who's fallen through the cracks, the Rams this time

748
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: last year, the defending Super Bowl champion. It is crazy

749
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: what's going. I know you had Jordan Rodrigue on the show,

750
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: who does awesome coverage of the Rams, last week, and man,

751
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: i'ma be curious to check in with her during the

752
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: summer because this is crazy what they're attempting to do.

753
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: Where they're keeping Matthew Stafford and Cooper Cup and Aaron

754
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: Donald and you know, I know they traded Jalen Ramsey

755
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: and Von Miller. Is not there anymore. But this is

756
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: still a team with veterans and the idea that you know,

757
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: different situation. But we were talking about it with the Titans,

758
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: a team that's maybe hoping to squeeze out ten wins

759
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: and be in the mix and then see what happens.

760
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: This team is going to have forty forty four zero

761
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: rookies on their roster at the start of training camp.

762
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: That is expansion team stuff, Greg, That is teams that

763
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: are just completely starting over. I think everybody's kind of

764
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: been scratching their heads trying to figure out what the

765
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: Rams are trying to do right now, where they're at,

766
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: what kind of needle they're trying to thread here. But

767
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: to have these well known, established stars and in some

768
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: cases superstars with Cup and a Legend and Aaron Donald,

769
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Speaker 1: and then to surround them with a roster fully almost

770
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: fully loaded with people with no experience. I mean, this

771
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: could go really poorly if just a couple of things

772
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,959
Speaker 1: go wrong, which is what happened last year, but maybe

773
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: even worse than last year, if things go sideways.

774
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a camp where there's a ton of jobs available.

775
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: You know, their offense actually looks like a totally normal

776
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: offense and potentially a good offense. They think it'll be good.

777
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Speaker 2: It's really all about the defense especially, And there are

778
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Speaker 2: a lot of rookies, like undrafted rookies on the offense

779
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 2: and stuff, but they're not going to be playing major roles.

780
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Speaker 2: I don't think where's the defense. If you look at

781
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: their hour Lads page where they put red players in

782
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: rookies in red, like it's all red, and there's five

783
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: or six or seven starting jobs open and the rookies

784
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 2: are competing for a lot of those. And so that's

785
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: a camp where it's going to matter. The preseason games

786
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: will matter. Our friend Mina Chimes who does their preseason

787
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: games with the Andrews silly and like, those games are

788
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: actually going to mean a lot for a lot of

789
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: these players because you can get starting jobs from them.

790
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would say that I would be very

791
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: surprised if the Rams come out of the gate playing

792
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: at a high level. And I do believe in the

793
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: coaching staff and Sean mcvay's abilities, and you know, if

794
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: Stafford can stay healthy, he'll kind of stabilize everything, as

795
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 1: will Donald. He'll help obviously immeasurably. On the other side

796
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: of the ball. Maybe you can get out of September

797
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: two and two or whatever, and then you start to

798
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: find an identity and the young players get get their

799
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: feet wet. But I think that's going to be you know,

800
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Speaker 1: how did they look in training camp? The reports. Keep

801
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: an eye on what Jordan and the other Beat reporters

802
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: are saying about how these practices are going, how these

803
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: preseason games look. Because this is a very green team. Certainly,

804
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: I would imagine for teams that are recent Super Bowl winners,

805
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: it's almost unprecedented that this is the roster.

806
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Speaker 6: Now.

807
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: Look at as a comparison point, look at the Bucks,

808
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: who are kind of still running back the same team

809
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: from a couple of years earlier that won a Super Bowl.

810
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: The Rams are going in a different direction for the

811
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Speaker 1: most part. We'll see how it goes.

812
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the thought is, if you have forty rookies,

813
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 2: can you find seven like that? There's nothing more valuable

814
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: than a starter or a significant player on a rookie

815
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: contract by just throwing huge numbers of it. I wonder

816
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: what the analytic like idea was behind to all this that, like,

817
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: all right, if we can just somehow find five to

818
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: seven contributors from this rookie class, like that'd be a

819
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: great class and maybe just don't bother with the mid

820
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Speaker 2: level veterans for now. Actually, I'm going to go for

821
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Speaker 2: a former Ram as my next one. OBJ is just

822
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Speaker 2: someone I want to watch in camp. You could extend

823
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 2: this to the whole the Ravens wide receiver group, because

824
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: I don't know what's up with Rashad Bateman right now.

825
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: He hasn't been healthy. The whole group was hurt, but

826
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Speaker 2: OBJ particularly, I just am curious and want to be

827
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Speaker 2: watching the camp reports and see what is going on.

828
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: It's been a while since we've seen him, and we

829
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Speaker 2: don't know what kind of OBJ he is. I don't

830
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Speaker 2: think he's gonna be playing in the preseason, but even

831
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: the camp reports and whether he's practicing day one and

832
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff matters to me.

833
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, they paid him a lot, a lot

834
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Speaker 1: more than a lot of people expected, and the Ravens

835
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: are expecting him to be the guy, the guy that

836
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Speaker 1: he was with the Rams in the playoffs and that

837
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl before he went down with the injury. You know,

838
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: thirty something wide receivers coming off to knee reconstructions are

839
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: typically a step slow. Compared to their heyday, but they

840
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: kind of need him to be better than that. I

841
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: don't think they're looking for, you know, late period Derek

842
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: Mason here or something. They're looking for a game changer

843
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: and a guy that kind of stretches the field and

844
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: drives defenses crazy like Pete obj But yeah, like if

845
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: if the camp or ports aren't glowing, yeah, I would

846
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: be very nervous. If I was a Ravens fan.

847
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: He could have great chemistry with Lamar Jackson, fro we know,

848
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: could be could be like Randy Moss in New England.

849
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: I doubt that, But I do think he's someone just

850
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 2: health wise, and that's what I look for a lot

851
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: in camp that I want to see that he's actually

852
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: out there every day.

853
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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to New England. We touch on

854
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: the Patriots earlier about finishing Peers second in the DeAndre

855
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: Hopkins sweepstakes, although they kind of opted out of it,

856
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: it sounded like we talked about mac Jones and what's

857
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: going on there. This is good, this is interesting. Ben

858
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: Volin of the Boston Globe reported that the question of

859
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: how third year QB mac Jones is viewed inside the

860
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: Patriots quotes depends on who you ask. I'll continue to

861
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: read from Volan's reporting, It's clear Patrio, It's president Jonathan

862
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: Kraft passionately defends and protects Jones. The Crafts are invested

863
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: in Jones succeeding. Belichick meanwhile, barely wants to say his

864
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: name in public. The Patriots hired the new offensive coordinator,

865
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: but it's not. As we enter training camp, I think

866
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: the expectation, obviously is that Mac Jones is going to

867
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: be the starter. But you know, Belichick has got Baily

868
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: Zappy there and seemingly a chip on his shoulder potentially

869
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: with the quarterback. Does this get a little weird in

870
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: training camp? How are rep split? Do you have any

871
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: Do you have any inkling that Belichick could do one

872
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: of those things where he surprises people and maybe there's

873
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: a storyline about how reps are being split or any

874
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: type of buzz in that direction.

875
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be totally shocking because he does seem to

876
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: like Bailey Zappy and he does seem to have something.

877
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 2: But I think he got over it. And I think

878
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: if Mac Jones is just better than Bailey Zappy, which

879
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: I believe he will be, then he'll he'll go with him.

880
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: I don't think it's quite a Tom Brady Drew Bledsoe

881
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: two thousand and one situation where he just clearly loved

882
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: Brady and thought Bledsoe is on the way out. I

883
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: think there was a point this offseason where they could

884
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 2: have gotten rid of mac Jones. That point didn't happen,

885
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: and now I expect it to be mac Jones. But

886
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: you're you're right. As a Patriot hater, you could, you

887
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: could root for some chickinery.

888
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I was a Patriot hater. Those those

889
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: days are over, Greg, Please, They're over. I got bigger fish.

890
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: We'll see how you feel.

891
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: Weak.

892
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: When did they play? Is it Week two that they play?

893
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: We'll see how you feel because they got to end

894
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: that losing streak. I mean, the Patriots, they have one

895
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: thing left from their dynasty days. It's ownership of the Jet.

896
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: Well they have left.

897
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: That is true. And yeah, I would think that if

898
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: Belichick is smart, and he is very smart man, he's

899
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: a brilliant man. In fact, especially in matters of professional football,

900
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: he will throw his support behind mac Jones at this point,

901
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: and you know, speak speak about him in some level

902
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: of high regard and throughout the training camp and make

903
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: this story completely disappear and everybody goes into together. But

904
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: maybe this is even though the men didn't see eye

905
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: to eye, GREGI maybe this is a little the Parcels

906
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: in Belichick, Like how Parcels was with Phil Simms as

907
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: an example, He's just gonna be hard on him, and

908
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: until you prove it to me, I'm gonna kind of

909
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: look at you a little side eyed until I could

910
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: truly trust you. I think there is are trust issues

911
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: in that building. We'll see if it manifests into anything

912
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: that gets the beat popping off during the summer. I

913
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: would probably not. But also I've been surprised by some

914
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: of the leaks out of Patriot Way this offseason, so

915
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: you never know.

916
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything seems a little messier. It's Week three, by

917
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: the way. It's a one o'clock game in the Meadowlands.

918
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 3: You know.

919
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: The Patriots start with the Eagles and the Dolphins. The

920
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: Jets start with the Bills and the Cowboys. I'm just

921
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: hoping that's not too zher and two teams there none

922
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: of those those games, sou easy.

923
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: I can't stress this enough to what you're saying. The

924
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: Jets cannot cannot lose to the Patriots at home with

925
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: a healthy Aaron Rodgers given everything here. Okay, that needs

926
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: to be a w regardless of how the first two

927
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: games go, or it's gonna feel like the same old,

928
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: same old.

929
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: All right, you're up, all right, I'm gonna just go

930
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: with the main quarterback battle that matters, which is the

931
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers. You could throw the bucks in there, like,

932
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: are we sure Baker Mayfield this week one? Starter is

933
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: it could try out Kyle Trust get a chance. I mean,

934
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 2: that'll keep an eye on. But the forty nine Ers quarterbacks,

935
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't need to go too long on it.

936
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking about, but that legitimately is up

937
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: in the air. I think it's Perty's job if he's healthy.

938
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: But I don't think Kyle Shanahan is totally locked in

939
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: on that either. I think his mind is open to

940
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: Trey Lance, and his mind is probably open to Sam Darnold.

941
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 2: And it could be a situation where their preseason games

942
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 2: are like auditions for Week three, even if let's say

943
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: it's pretty week one, or let's say he's not healthy

944
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,959
Speaker 2: and it's Lance week one, Like Sam Donald playing really

945
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: well in August in the preseason could earn him like

946
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: a week four job and a quick hook for whoever

947
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: is the starter.

948
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm I'm incredibly invested in this storyline because

949
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: I do want to see Sam Donald to get a

950
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: shot here. I feel like if he gets even a

951
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: couple of weeks in the starting job, it might be

952
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: hard to get him out of the lineup if he's

953
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: able to play with this offense. There's He was on

954
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: the part of My Take podcast and he said.

955
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: Talking ghost talking about the ghosts because we did hit

956
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: that last show that was right up Mark Sessler's alley.

957
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard about that.

958
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: No, what would happen?

959
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 3: Oh?

960
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: He said that there was some sort of paranormal activity

961
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: in George Kill's guests house when he was staying there.

962
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 4: Oh.

963
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: Really, you're hitting a different part of this what I.

964
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: Mean, what a varied interview by Big Cat and PFT commenter.

965
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: But here is the line. Guys are open. I mean,

966
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys open on dang near every play.

967
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: It just seems like there's a ton of answers. So

968
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: for a guy that hasn't had a lot of answers

969
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: on the field in his time. It would be interesting

970
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: to see how he performed with an offense like this.

971
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: And then there's yeah, the Trey Lance of it all

972
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: is something the track to like, how is how many

973
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: reps is he getting? Is he getting a real look,

974
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,959
Speaker 1: a real chance at this or is he the past

975
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: in that organization already?

976
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: He'll play a lot. I know you're not a fan

977
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 2: of the preseason, you know. I yeah, it has its use,

978
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: but I get sick of it too after the first

979
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. But Trey Lance will play a lot

980
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: in the preseason. I would assume Darnald will too, and

981
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 2: so those are be one of the most, if not

982
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: the most interesting team to watch in the preseason.

983
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,479
Speaker 1: Regarding the Jets, there's a lot to be excited about.

984
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: By the way, they finally announced Hard Knocks officially today.

985
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: It's just crazy because it's July seventeenth. And then they

986
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: talked to Rogers at some golf event. He's like, yeah, well,

987
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: they're sticking it down our throats, so we just got

988
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: to make the most of It's a very different vibe

989
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: than past Hard Knocks announcements, I'll say that. And while

990
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of optimism around the team as there

991
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: should be. I am nervous about the offensive line because

992
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: it is a forty year old quarterback coming off a

993
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: down season by his standards, and the offensive line was

994
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: a major issue last year in New York, and they

995
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: didn't make a lot of changes. They made some attempts

996
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: at changes, some moves. They said they weren't trying to

997
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: draft a tackle at the first round. You could believe

998
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: that or not. But they're ending up with more or

999
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: less the same line. They did draft a rookie and

1000
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: Joe Tipman, so he's gonna it's gonna be a camp

1001
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: battle with Connor McGovern. They're in the pivot, Greg, that's

1002
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: what they call it.

1003
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: I always like that. It's like the pivot, like using

1004
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: the word signal caller for quarterback, just to not repeat

1005
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 2: the same word exactly.

1006
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: So you're gonna have left Dwayne Brown's gonna play left

1007
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: tackle again. You're gonna hope Elijavarah Tecker stays healthy. Makai

1008
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: Becton is in the picture in some capacity, but he

1009
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: also tweeted recently that he's a left tackle and that

1010
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: just doesn't seem to have any interest in playing him

1011
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: at left tackle, So it's going to be right tackle.

1012
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: If he even wins a job, that is a question

1013
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: mark on their roster with this quarterback. And I want

1014
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 1: to see as a Jets van, you want to see

1015
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: the camp reports that the line is gelling, that Becton,

1016
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 1: who's down apparently sixty pounds from last year, is healthy

1017
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: and on the field that they're missing basically two straight years,

1018
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: and he finds a role in the starting lineup. It

1019
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: is something to watch because if they don't get a

1020
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: good offensive line play, you could get Rogers hurt and

1021
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, guess who the number two

1022
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 1: quarterback is on that team, Zach Wilson, which is another

1023
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: questionable decision they made, which is keeping Wilson as the

1024
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: number two. And just imagine, for instance, Greg that Week

1025
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: three game against the Patriots, if it's Zach Wilson back

1026
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: on the field. I don't even want to speak this

1027
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: into existence, but there's some vulnerabilities here if the offensive

1028
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: line can't play the guitar.

1029
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Joe Douglas, that's his baby, the offensive line.

1030
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 2: He's put so many resources Vera. Tucko's a first round pick.

1031
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: Beckton's a first round pick. Tipman's a second round pick.

1032
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 2: Tomlinson is one of the higher paid guards in the league.

1033
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 2: They kind of remind me of the Packers, where I

1034
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 2: think the Packers probably their baselines a little hard higher,

1035
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: but like they could either be a bit of a

1036
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 2: disaster if things go wrong on the offensive line, or

1037
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 2: they could be really good. I feel like there's a

1038
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: high variance with the Jets and the Packers.

1039
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 3: For that matter.

1040
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: All right, you want to throw it out, all right?

1041
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: Last one more?

1042
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well this is kind of a catch off. I'll

1043
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 2: include your guy Bryce all in it. And I think

1044
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: it's probably the most important thing in campus, just the

1045
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: guys coming off of injuries, their progress. Bryce Hall is

1046
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 2: a key one. Like this is the time of year

1047
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: where it's a lot of like I expect to start

1048
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: week one, Like we heard that about Tredevius White as

1049
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 2: an example at this time last year. Tredevius White ended

1050
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 2: up not starting until about mid season and wasn't really

1051
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: himself until about week ten. And that happens fairly often

1052
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 2: with guys that you hear are coming back week one.

1053
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: So we find out the truth on a lot of

1054
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: these guys. Bryce Hall is a key one. Von Miller

1055
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: is a key one. Tony Pollard's one I mentioned earlier,

1056
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 2: Javonte Williams, the running back for the Broncos. Jonathan Taylor's

1057
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: coming off the ankle injury. Sounds like he's gonna be okay.

1058
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: Darius Leonard, on the other hand, I don't know what's

1059
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 2: up with him and his back injury. Isaiah Pacheco, you

1060
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 2: know who finished off that Super Bowl. He's coming off

1061
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: a shoulder surgery. Might not be ready. Jimmy g We're

1062
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: not sure what's up with him.

1063
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: J C.

1064
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: Jackson, you remember, got that huge contract and had a

1065
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 2: terrible injury. So those are some of the biggest names

1066
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: coming off like major injuries that there's optimism until then

1067
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: camp starts and then we'll see if there's still optimism.

1068
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe if you're a DeAndre Hopkins agent, there

1069
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: was maybe a little bit of pause. Do you sign

1070
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: this contract now or do you wait to see how

1071
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: some of these things shake out in camp with injuries.

1072
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what Dalvin Cook's representation is thinking. Right now,

1073
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: maybe an opportunity presents itself that doesn't seem like it's

1074
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: there right now. But yeah, you're absolutely right, because you

1075
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: can't trust. You cannot trust any off season reporting for

1076
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: the most part. Maybe you could trust it more when

1077
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: you hear it in a negative way about a guy's

1078
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: not practicing, a guy is a little behind schedule, but

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00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: you usually don't hear that. You always hear his way

1080
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: ahead of schedule, or the trope alert sounds and the

1081
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: guy says, I've never felt better, or a matter of

1082
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: my knees actually better after the catastrophic injury I suffered

1083
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: last October. Training camp has a habit of, you know,

1084
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: separating all that junk because guys are supposed to be

1085
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: out there and practicing, and reporters get their eyes on

1086
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: these guys. So yes, GC Greg as we say, and

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00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: my last one was going to be von Miller, so

1088
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: it ties together. Von Miller is one of the most

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00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: important players I think of the start of the season

1090
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: in the AFC, because the Bills really were getting a

1091
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: lot out of him before he went down on Thanksgiving.

1092
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: He didn't play another snap and they need that extra

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00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: juice that von Miller brings. And is he still von

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00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: Miller when he comes back? He's another year older.

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00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 2: He's thirty four, Yeah, eighty four.

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00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: You want to see which version of von Miller shows up.

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00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: If he shows up at all this summer, we shall see.

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00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: By the way, this is going way back to the

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00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 2: beginning of the show. I was trying to think of,

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00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 2: like what NFL player we'd be. We'd be Lane Johnson

1101
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 2: from that twenty twelve class with the Eagles the whole time,

1102
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: goes about his business like that. A lot of sauce

1103
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 2: to him, you know when it pops up, and a

1104
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 2: future Hall of Famer.

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00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Greg, yeah, baby, I like that one

1106
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer. I think we're going to the hall.

1107
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: You think we're in a hall trajectory right now.

1108
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: I'm putting us in the in the look in the hall,

1109
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: we can ask our next You know what, though.

1110
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: You know what I got to say, Yeah, oh, that

1111
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: is a great way say because you know what they

1112
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: say as we welcome in our guest. You don't make

1113
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame in your in your first ten years.

1114
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: You make him in those last three or four, you know,

1115
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: or that that second decade. Uh. And with that said

1116
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: a man that already is a Hall of Famer for

1117
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: the work that he's done both on our on our

1118
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: shore and now back in his native England.

1119
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 3: He is.

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Speaker 1: A former executive content man for NFL Digital, now Vice

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00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: President of UK and Surrounding Territories. Henry Hodgson, what's up, buddy.

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00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 3: I am doing great. It's good to see you, guys.

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00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: Good to hear you, guys.

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00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 5: I do have an issue though already, and I hate

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00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 5: to do this to you. In the background here we're

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00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 5: saving the Queen. You may not have heard, but but

1127
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 5: I think that that ship sailed.

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00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: You guys. Oh you changed the lyrics.

1129
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 3: That's right, we changed the lyrics.

1130
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: It's like the it's like the God save the Wind Elton.

1131
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 5: Elton was able to quickly pivot from from Maryland to Diana.

1132
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: The tune is the same, though, I mean same tune, same.

1133
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: Melody, is the same lyrically. There's an important change in the.

1134
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 3: Very important change. Let's get that fixed for next time.

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00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: Apologies, because that's right.

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00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 5: It's okay, it's it's fine. You get one shot, though

1137
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 5: next time it would be disrespect.

1138
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 1: And and I'll throw you. I'll throw you a bone

1139
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: here and say I watched Wimbledon yesterday. I didn't.

1140
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 5: I didn't, but I hope you had a great time.

1141
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 5: I wish I had done. I just I found myself

1142
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 5: not watching it.

1143
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: Do you think that, let's start with the most important thing.

1144
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: Do you think that our podcast is on a Hall

1145
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: of Fame trajectory? Do you think even here's my take

1146
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: based on Greg's comment, even that being uttered is a

1147
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: sign that this is this is rome at the end

1148
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: where it's just like wow that they're talking about that

1149
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: that no Hall of Fame podcast would ever even have

1150
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: that conversation. Or do you admire the pluck of the show.

1151
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 5: No, I mean, listen, I would liken it to nineteen

1152
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 5: eighty four Dawn Marino, right second year in the NFL,

1153
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 5: goes out and breaks every single record, And it's clear

1154
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 5: at that point, like.

1155
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 3: There's from here, you're on that that was the Stitcher world.

1156
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 3: You're on that trajectory, and really, you know, even.

1157
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 5: If you don't make a Super Bowl, you're probably going

1158
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 5: to you're probably going to the Hall of Fame. And

1159
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 5: that's what I've always seen you guys, as is eighty

1160
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 5: four Marino and you know the incredible career he had, So.

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Speaker 1: You see us like this basically ultimately.

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Speaker 3: No, not not go there with Marino.

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01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 5: Not a loser, you know, a giant amongst amongst NFL players,

1164
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 5: as I was trying to compliment you guys, you decided

1165
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 5: to take a shot at one of the greatest players

1166
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 5: of all time.

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01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: You know, it's like gaudy numbers, but not that well

1168
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: liked in the locker room, and doesn't.

1169
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 3: Marino was beloved in the locker room.

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Speaker 5: He he What he did was demand greatness from his

1171
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 5: from his other players and bind them to his level.

1172
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 5: So in a way, you've done that in the podcasting

1173
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 5: industry as well. Before, before the Around the NFL podcast existed,

1174
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 5: what other shows were out there? Now look now, look

1175
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 5: at all the talent around that. After your last show, Gregor,

1176
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 5: I tuned into Jordan's amazing show, The play Callers.

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01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 3: I've just listened to two episodes of that.

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Speaker 5: On the back of that, and you guys, you know,

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01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 5: without you sort of setting the tone, that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: That's very nice to be. And let me say that

1181
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: I I much rather you refer to us as the

1182
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: Dan Marino of podcasts rather than the Ken O'Brien. But

1183
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: I also I want to say that Dan Reno was

1184
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: very frightening and uh, just imagine being like a fourth

1185
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: round pick tight end and Reno throws one of those

1186
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: missiles between the eight and the four and it hits

1187
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: the turf and Marino ripping off that helmet and that

1188
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: red face just screaming at you. What a monster.

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Speaker 3: But that's what I mean.

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Speaker 5: He's demanding excellence, and I feel like that's what you've

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01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 5: done to the NFL podcasting industry.

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01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: I've had some red foot face moments behind the scenes

1193
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: with this program, so I understand that. All right, So

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01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: let's get to what you're here for though, Henry. And

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01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: by the way, if you want to get any plugs in,

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01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: you are Vice president of UK, you make a tremendous salary,

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01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: you have a beautiful office.

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Speaker 3: What why do we go there?

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, spot the lie, Greg, Spot the lie.

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01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: I was just surprised.

1201
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 3: It's a weird place to go.

1202
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: You are taping from a beautiful countryside. It appears in England,

1203
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 2: that is true.

1204
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 3: Where is Dan today?

1205
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm in my parents' bedroom in Spring Lake, New Jersey.

1206
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Greg, where are you?

1207
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: Just so we've got everything in I'm in hot, hot

1208
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 2: garage that I got back to.

1209
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 3: Okay, you're back in La Yes, welcome home.

1210
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: Maybe when I get back to La Greg, I'll come

1211
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: over and I'll help you maybe install an air conditioner.

1212
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: You got a window in there.

1213
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: We do, so it's possible.

1214
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's work. I actually have a spare if we

1215
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: let's talk. Let's talk off air. Hank, you are and

1216
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: this is I think of all the great things, and

1217
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: I view you as not only a dear colleague, but

1218
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: a great friend. But I think the thing that I've

1219
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: always appreciated the most about you is your tremendous passion

1220
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: for the NFL supplemental Draft.

1221
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 5: And I know that's the thing that rubbed off the

1222
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 5: most over a long time together, that that's the.

1223
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 2: Thing that you remember that that's the thing that stands

1224
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: out there. It's why your relationship has taking a tip

1225
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 2: over the last four years because there hasn't been a

1226
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 2: supplemental draft.

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Speaker 1: So we're a little late on this, but this is

1228
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: more like tya bow on the situation. The NFL Supplemental

1229
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: Draft return Tuesday, excuse me, not this past Tuesday, last Tuesday,

1230
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: but there were no players selected. Two eligible players for

1231
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: the draft, which Henry will tell you about them in

1232
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: a moment. But this was the first year and three

1233
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: years the NFL conducted the draft, but nobody was taken.

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01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: If you want to just give the audience a little

1235
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: bit of a perspective on what the event is. Why

1236
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: hold it without making a selection? What's the future of

1237
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: the supplemental Draft? Please have that at the floor as yours.

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Speaker 5: Henry, Sure well, I mean, look, the supplemental Draft is

1239
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 5: everyone is probably awab but just for those that don't

1240
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 5: is kind of the jewel of the NFL's offseason. You know,

1241
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 5: there are these other events that will take place, the combine,

1242
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 5: free agency, the draft, and to some extent, you look

1243
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 5: at those things and they're kind of one dimensional, right,

1244
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 5: There's there's an opportunity and an outcome, if you like.

1245
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 5: In the draft, it's the New York Jets turn to pick.

1246
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 5: The New York Jets make their pick. What is turns

1247
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 5: the supplemental Draft from that one dimensional event into a

1248
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 5: three dimensional event, is there's another.

1249
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 3: Opportunity in there.

1250
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 5: And you saw a couple of years ago the Minnesota

1251
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 5: Vikings try to bring this to the draft. But really

1252
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 5: what it is is sometimes you don't make a pick,

1253
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 5: and you know, as you guys know, some of the

1254
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 5: best choices you make in life are not making choices,

1255
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 5: and so in a way, that makes this year's draft

1256
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 5: where there were two players eligible, thirty two teams, seven rounds,

1257
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 5: seven times, thirty two as Dan noses whatever it is

1258
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 5: and even and at the end of it, everyone didn't

1259
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 5: make a pick seven times. And so that really is

1260
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 5: what made this year's drafts, you know, so exceptional and

1261
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 5: such a such a one for the books because we

1262
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 5: actually had an event, but in the event, in the end,

1263
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 5: the event wasn't an event that happened. And that's what

1264
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 5: you know, it's chess checkers thing compared to the NFL draft.

1265
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,479
Speaker 5: And look, every team out there, you know you want,

1266
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 5: you know, you want to find the next Bobby Humphrey.

1267
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 5: You want to find the next Bernie Cozar, the next

1268
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 5: Chris Carter, and that's hard to do. And this year,

1269
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 5: the two guys that were out there Jackson state wide

1270
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 5: receiver you remember him from from last year, Malachi Wideman

1271
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 5: who had I think five hundred and forty yards and

1272
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 5: twelve touchdowns in twenty twenty one with the Tigers, and

1273
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 5: then Purdue's Milton Wright, also a wide receiver. Milton didn't

1274
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 5: play last year, so I don't have his stats.

1275
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Speaker 3: Exactly.

1276
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 5: Every team looked at them, and every team made an

1277
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 5: assessment and in the end, every team passed seven times. Well,

1278
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 5: I think, and that's that's really the supplemental Draft. Now, look,

1279
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 5: I mean there have been some great names that have

1280
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 5: come through the program, and again mentioned some of them.

1281
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 5: Bernie Cozar, Brian Bosworth you'll remember, came came through the

1282
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 5: supplemental Draft. And there is some you know, there have

1283
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 5: been some guys that haven't worked out as as well.

1284
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 5: And you know, we we you're, as I say, you're

1285
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 5: looking for the good guys, but you could end up

1286
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 5: with a Harvey Younger or a Milford Brown or a

1287
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 5: John Davis.

1288
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 2: So howoud Steve Walsh.

1289
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 5: Steve Walsh came through there, Steve Walsh, you know that,

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Speaker 5: and that really was where my passion. It's interesting you

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Speaker 5: mentioned that, Greg, because that's where my passion for the

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01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 5: supplemental Draft actually came about. So that year, the Dallas Cowboys,

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01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 5: with the very first pick in the draft, Jimmy Johnson

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01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 5: came on board and said, I'm bringing in Troy Aikman.

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Speaker 3: Troy Oatman's my guy.

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Speaker 5: Then doubled down in the Supplemental Draft and went and

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Speaker 5: got a guy that he coached in college, Steve Walsh.

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Speaker 5: Now Steve Walsh University of Miami quarterback obviously one of

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Speaker 5: the other University of Miami quarterbacks who came out of

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Speaker 5: this this program and performed so well, Bernie Kozos, I

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01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 5: was looking for gold in the same place, but didn't

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Speaker 5: necessarily find it.

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Speaker 1: And if I may just to put a bow on

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Speaker 1: this and talking about the importance of the sublemental draft,

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01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: as Henry stated, thirty two teams decided not to make

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01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: a pick, so their pick was to not make a pick.

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01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: That was thirty two teams decided that only thirty one

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01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: teams made a selection in the first year player draft

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Speaker 1: because of Miami's issues.

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Speaker 3: Thirty two first round.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thirty two is higher than thirty one. So,

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Speaker 1: like just from a pure like math standpoint, when you

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Speaker 1: talk about like what's more important, that's what's important.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think I've outlined all the reasons

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Speaker 5: that it's it's it's, as I say, the gem of

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Speaker 5: the NFL off season.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, beyond the existential delight that is, does

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01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: this event even exist or not if someone doesn't get taken,

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Speaker 2: I mean that it's sort of it's mind blowing. Frankly,

1320
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 2: there's no other event like it. There's also a way

1321
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 2: that you take the most exciting part of working in

1322
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 2: the twenty second or twenty first century, that is and

1323
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 2: it will be the next century, which is a massive

1324
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Speaker 2: group email, which is essentially what the supplemental draft is.

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Speaker 2: And it's two hundred and twenty four straight group emails

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01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 2: just saying pass yep, I mean again and you're waiting

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Speaker 2: to find out, Oh, it's round four, how Texans are up.

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Speaker 2: I'm on the edge of my seat. Pick one thirty four. Nope,

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Speaker 2: it's pass again.

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Speaker 3: Well, and there were trades.

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01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 5: You know, you can trade and you can still pass

1332
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 5: on the trade, and that's you know, that's it's all

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Speaker 5: must practice.

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01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 3: For deputy general managers.

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01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 5: You know, like go out there really, you know, work

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01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 5: a trade, work the phones, and then when you work

1337
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 5: the phones and you've traded up or trade it down,

1338
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 5: pass well.

1339
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 2: You famously did the supplemental mock draft year after year

1340
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 2: on NFL dot com, and it would it would always

1341
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 2: include a lot of trades. That always that always made

1342
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 2: me laugh.

1343
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: That ended with pass Henry before we say goodbye. In

1344
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:14,440
Speaker 1: addition to your duties with the NFL UK and surrounding territories,

1345
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: you're also huge.

1346
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 3: You're really you're really like on the fence on that one.

1347
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 3: You just don't know where to go, do you?

1348
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: You're also incredibly connected, uh in a champion of the

1349
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: International Pathway Program. We just did a we just did

1350
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: a training camp, primer. I was curious if there are

1351
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: any I p P players that maybe we should keep

1352
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: an eye on that have a chance to make some

1353
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: noise across our league this summer.

1354
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 3: Boy, you really put me on the spot.

1355
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 5: I think there were a couple of guys last year

1356
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 5: who were often you know, it takes maybe a year

1357
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 5: for the guys you know, not like Jordan my latter

1358
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 5: are and the guys that get drafted. But then the

1359
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 5: guys that are in the program, what it is is

1360
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 5: you got you go on the on the practice squad

1361
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 5: for for two or three years, you can you can

1362
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 5: be around them. So I think it's normally the guys

1363
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 5: who've had a year's experience that probably get the best shot. So,

1364
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Speaker 5: off the top of my head, the Indianapolis Colts had

1365
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 5: a defensive back named Mussel Dabo d A b O

1366
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 5: who who was super athletic, you know, could easily played

1367
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 5: played in Germany, could easily get a shot, you.

1368
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 3: Know, depending on How Camp Goes.

1369
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 5: There's a handful of really immensely talented players from Nigeria

1370
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 5: that Ocum and Europe found and you know they're they're

1371
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 5: playing a lot of bunch of them across the NFC

1372
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 5: North this year. So I mean, we'll look out for names,

1373
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 5: but I'm sure one or two of them will pop

1374
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 5: up and at least in the in the preseason, make

1375
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 5: some noise and then we'll see where they go. Actually,

1376
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 5: the other guy to look out for it. Do you

1377
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 5: remember in Hard Knocks? I'm very excited for you down

1378
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 5: about Jets and Hard Knocks. Remember Hard Knocks? When the

1379
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 5: Cowboys were in Hard Knocks, there was a Mexican offensive

1380
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 5: tackle who was Isaac Alacon who was a big part

1381
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 5: of the of the the show.

1382
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 3: He's actually.

1383
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 5: There's a British coach, Adam Dirty, who I think I've

1384
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 5: talked about on this show before, who's on dan quinn

1385
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 5: staff there, and he has converted Isaac from offensive line

1386
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,799
Speaker 5: to defensive line and they are raving about how.

1387
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 3: Isaac is super strong is performing as a defensive lineman.

1388
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 3: So another one to look out.

1389
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: For, beautiful, and you had met Marceau Dabo, So.

1390
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Speaker 3: I am Marcel Dabo, Okay, you're in.

1391
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,759
Speaker 5: Have we Greg keeps dropping notes or hints rather about

1392
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 5: going to Germany because I don't know if you've heard,

1393
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 5: it's it's the country that his father's from a little

1394
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 5: bit like I don't know if you've heard, but Mark

1395
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 5: grew up in the UK, so I like, you.

1396
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: Know, you know, isn't it funny? Henry? I catch a

1397
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 1: lot of He's like, oh, Dan doesn't want to go anywhere,

1398
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: and Dan loves America's like these guys won't shut up

1399
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: about this other stuff, and it's just like, how about

1400
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: looking at it from that perspective?

1401
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:56,560
Speaker 3: I like, I love it.

1402
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 5: I mean, I actually I wish that you weren't so

1403
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 5: steeped in the white and blue and we can help it.

1404
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: I know, these colors don't run anywhere. They just stay

1405
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: right there.

1406
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 3: They just stay right there.

1407
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 5: But I hope that you know, you guys will We'll

1408
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 5: be in London or Frankfurt at some point this season.

1409
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 3: We've got some fantastic games.

1410
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna have fun. If it happens, we'd love to

1411
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: be there, and we love having you on the show. Hank,

1412
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: Thank you very much.

1413
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 3: It's always great to see you. Guys, take care, love you.

1414
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna updatesk save the Queen. That was a bad

1415
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: That was a bad one. We just got to be

1416
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: better than that, Gregie.

1417
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 2: What about uh, you know Princess Kate. You know she

1418
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 2: was there at Wimbledon.

1419
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: Wimbledon.

1420
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 2: Should be saving her.

1421
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, we should have. Yeah, we're going to

1422
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: clean that up. Apologies to our British listeners. We're gonna

1423
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 1: get that right. I think that's that's important. Good show,

1424
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: good app We're back Thursday. Like we said, we're gonna

1425
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: be all back together next week, so we got one

1426
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: more show. Remotely, I'm working on getting maybe Connie on

1427
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 1: with us, maybe maybe another special guest that we haven't

1428
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: had on the show in a while, which would be

1429
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 1: very nice. We're working on some things, Greggy. But any

1430
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: final thoughts.

1431
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 2: No, I think I need to go get some sleep.

1432
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you do that, and then we'll talk air

1433
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: conditioner as well.

1434
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 2: It is quite warm, it's all right, warm, all.

1435
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: Right, everybody, thanks again for listening until Thursday. You know

1436
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: what you gotta do, he duck all