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Speaker 1: I'm rating to Royo. Welcome to a Royal Grande. This

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Speaker 1: is an exclusive a lot of you have been asking

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Speaker 1: for and look I aim to please. He's an actor

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Speaker 1: whose intense performances have moved audiences for decades. He burst

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Speaker 1: onto screens in The Thin Red Line and then from

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Speaker 1: the Countermanty Christo to the Passion of the Christ. Jim

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Speaker 1: cavizl leaves a deep impression on every role he touches.

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Speaker 1: His Sound of Freedom was the breakout hit that made

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Speaker 1: more than two hundred and fifty million dollars at the

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Speaker 1: box office and shook the industry. And now he's poised

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Speaker 1: to play Jesus again in Mel Gibson's sequel to The Passion.

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Speaker 1: miss an episode like this one. Jim Cavizil sat down

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Speaker 1: with me to discuss how he is preparing to step

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Speaker 1: into the sandals of the Savior once more, how this

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Speaker 1: will be different for him and his personal life, his career,

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Speaker 1: and much more.

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Speaker 2: Watch.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with where this acting thing came.

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Speaker 2: From probably junior High. I was well, I was I

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Speaker 2: was impersonating everybody that I saw, from Christopher Walking to

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Speaker 2: people would say, gosh, she should get into acting. And

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Speaker 2: he'd be around your family and impersonating people and say

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Speaker 2: that's really good. Actually, And I was doing a Christmas

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Speaker 2: play at Immaculate Conception School in Notunt Vernon and there

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Speaker 2: was a character named Simeon in the play and it

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Speaker 2: I ended up doing it, and just we're getting to

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Speaker 2: the end of the play, the there was a piece

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Speaker 2: in there the Lord is My Shepherd, and I just

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Speaker 2: went into a zone and people were crying in the audience.

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Speaker 2: And afterwards the people would say you should be an actor,

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Speaker 2: and the nuns were saying you should be a priest.

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Speaker 2: And two things I said. I do not want to

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Speaker 2: be as actor or a priest. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: be an NBA basketball player. But God had other plans. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: of course.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the movie theater incident you go to see.

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Speaker 2: Was it Hoosiers? What was the movie. That movie was

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Speaker 2: a Ghost. Oh it was Ghost. Every day I would

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Speaker 2: shots and different things like that. And afterwards, I walked

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Speaker 2: and at presence landed outside the movie theater, I knew

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Speaker 2: it was God. It was a thousand yards away. I

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Speaker 2: don't know why until I did the passion that happened.

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Speaker 2: Something similar happened, but it was a thousand yards away.

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Speaker 2: Your soul has this kind of knowledge, and it came

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Speaker 2: there was a voice and I heard it and he said,

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Speaker 2: left an indelible mark on my heart. How were you?

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Speaker 2: That was nineteen, I mean I was flirting with it now.

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Speaker 2: Around those time was I had gotten my screen Actor's

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Speaker 1: I faked out the I have had Idaho, which I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw the images. I was just a ticket taker,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't. They don't give you the script, They

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Speaker 2: She says, I'm calling for Jim Cavizel and I said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And and you shared screen time with Keanu and River Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, spend a little time with them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that stunned me when I saw that. Tell

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Speaker 2: I met Beverly through a co management deal with a

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Speaker 1: But he's from Washington State as well.

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Speaker 2: But she worked for ABC as a psychic and she

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Speaker 2: And anyway, I was down there and she could pick

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Speaker 2: at some point I auditioned for Juilliard and got in,

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Speaker 2: a gift. Well you turned it down.

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Speaker 1: You turned Juilliard down because you got a film gig.

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Speaker 2: No. No, they gave me a well no, I asked

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Speaker 2: But it gave me sixteen twenty weeks on a movie

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Speaker 2: to Juilliard. And then Juilliard renigged on their degreement. Michael

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Speaker 2: Right at the tail end, there was the thin red line.

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Speaker 2: And when Julliard were nigged down their agreement with me.

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Speaker 2: And that was it. So it was ten years of

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Speaker 2: the spirit, the soul, the Eucharist. Second was you know,

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Speaker 2: how did you meet Terry Mallock? Well, remember I was

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Speaker 2: going to Mass. So my wife we married, and she

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Speaker 2: taught me how to do the rosary. Now, I went

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Speaker 2: I had a strong premonition that this was that moment.

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Speaker 1: You said to me that Terry Malick is your father

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Speaker 1: in film. Yes, what did you learn from him? What

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Speaker 2: Terry Malick is a big ruth, is a generational player.

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan is a generational player. I've worked with two

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Speaker 2: but I would say Mel Gibson and Terry Malick, it's

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Speaker 2: his scruples, his values. He's still extremely private and you

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Speaker 2: in a lot of ways he'd like to be an

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Speaker 1: I don't want to pass by Count Monte Christia, which

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Speaker 2: He opened up a side of himself of God. He

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Speaker 2: infections and get you know, it's just and.

429
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: What do you think was the purpose of all of

430
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: that was that to bring you closer to the suffering

431
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: that he actually went through.

432
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt, no doubt, I mean it, you couldn't.

433
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 2: It took it physically, mentally, spiritually, at all three, all

434
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: three factors. It was constant torment and just that you're

435
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 2: going to fail. Just the fact that how am I

436
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: going to learn this aramaic? I don't have enough time

437
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 2: in day to even learn it. And and I come

438
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: home and you know, I would go get home and

439
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: I would go to the gym and I'd start doing

440
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 2: because I had to make sure that I had to

441
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: keep my legs strength up to be able to hold

442
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: myself up. All my weight went into one leg. So

443
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: you know, years of playing basketball and staying in a

444
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: defensive stance was really actually critical for this role because

445
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: all my weight went into one leg and I'd have

446
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 2: to hold it there for you know, twelve minutes. Every

447
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: time they had a mag then they'd bring the post

448
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 2: in and I try to you know, I'd stand up

449
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: and they'd have to undo me, and then they take

450
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: a break. And then because you know, the makeup. If

451
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: that falls apart, we use the day you lose. So

452
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: they had to keep it, preserve it. And so you know,

453
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: if you put that heater to close, you know it

454
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: destroyed the it melted, it would melt it.

455
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: There's a moment in the Passion where you're carrying the

456
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: cross and it's on screen. Yeah, and you you stumble

457
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: with it. And I know you were suffering awful during

458
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: that shoot, but melt left a chunk of that in.

459
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: Where you hurt yourself. Yeah, bit through my mouth. You'll

460
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: see when I go down, I come up, you'll see

461
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: a stream of blood. I bit through my tongue and

462
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: my cheek. And he's got a high speed camera on. Yeah,

463
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: so it's just like a slow motion. But really it

464
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: went like that. And then I got up. But this

465
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 2: thing really got the shoulder separator. That really screwed me

466
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: up right there. That that was like, oh, so now

467
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: you're going into the crucifixion scenes and I don't know

468
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: if I could pull us off because of this, Yeah, this, this.

469
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: That that hurt extending your arm.

470
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: It's just from that point on it was all I

471
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: had a problem. And you know, I'm up there and

472
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: I'm naked, so I can't put a brace on, I

473
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 2: can't pull it in. And what happened was they tied

474
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: me up and so when that cross is bending, it

475
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: would go snap and it would throw that shoulder out.

476
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: So you know, the the idea that you and I

477
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: were talking one time, and it forced me into the

478
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: arms of my God because I had nowhere else to go.

479
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: I really it took me back to the movie theater.

480
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: It took me back to the whole life, which is I,

481
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: I'd like you to be an actor and I and

482
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: you felt this was the purpose. I Oh, what was

483
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 2: I was connected to was the fact that the moment

484
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: I learned how much he loved me, I was I

485
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: wanted to do it for him because I didn't feel

486
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: I deserved it, you know, none of us really do.

487
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: But the fact that he loved me like that he

488
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: knew who I was, and that that's what that was

489
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: my That was it. That was the whole deal for me.

490
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: There was also a lot improvised on this movie. There

491
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: were moments that were not there. Tell me about the

492
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: merry moment, which is such a sweet and beautiful moment

493
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: where Jesus and Mary are together and it's really one

494
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: of the few light moments in the Passion, but it

495
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: wasn't originally there.

496
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: So it was the very first scene I ever done

497
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: in Aramaic. And when I came in, Maya is so beautiful.

498
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: She came over and she starts speaking to me in Aramaic.

499
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: She goes right into the scene and I looked at

500
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: her and I wasn't used to her voice or anything.

501
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: We didn't even rehearse it. She went right into it

502
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: and we were doing the thing with the chairs and

503
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: sitting at the table, and then working with her, we

504
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: were able to find the you know, kind of lighter

505
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: moments of it when you look out and you know, roughness, fulfillment.

506
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: But it was brilliant that mel put those moments in

507
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: there to kind of lighten it up to well, brought

508
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: a humanity to it. Yes, they did. And then the

509
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: second part of that was like, okay, I forgot oh yeah,

510
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: we got to do the thing where we're walking away.

511
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: It's just so we did it for through four times

512
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: or whatever, and he goes, you know, can you just

513
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: do something you know kind of you know, give it

514
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: like a connection or whatever. I mean, it's just got

515
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: what come here, I'll show you you know, and I said, okay,

516
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: I just looked at it. Okay, go walk home. Down

517
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: she fan and she was like, hey, we're and I

518
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: was washed my hands and then went right to her

519
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: face immediately kissed her. And I was able to do

520
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: that like that because of how she wasn't when we met,

521
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: and there was something very endearing about her. And then

522
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: just and then up Mell was like you could hear this.

523
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: Meaning that good?

524
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: That's the one that's the Yeah, I love it.

525
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: Do you are you excited.

526
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: Or worried about.

527
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: Being on set with my Morgenstern and getting back into

528
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: that particular toga again.

529
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: You went through hell on the first movie Each Other? Yeah,

530
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: it was okay though, because it was part of the

531
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: purpose of why I was born, I take it very seriously.

532
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: A friend of mine made this for me in Magic Goya.

533
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: On one side, it's JC. On the other side it's

534
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: thirty three and I have five diamonds on it, and

535
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: my wife had three children. It's all of us. It's

536
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: a family, and on the top is Saint Benedict's medal.

537
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: It's a good war against Satan and the forces of evil,

538
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: and this is a this is a great weapon against evil.

539
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: I was I'm not a sheep. I was born to

540
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: be either a sheep dog that was a wolf, or

541
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: I'm a converted wolf. But I'm not a sheep. And

542
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: God is in my heart. And when you say evil,

543
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: I look at it because what's in me is greater

544
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: than that, and I know weapon against that evil. And

545
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: the films that we make are controlling the world's narrative.

546
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: And they did. The world didn't like this film, and

547
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: that's a good thing. So we did a good job.

548
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: And so now I get these bonus years. And I

549
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: had no idea, but the time after I was done,

550
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: it was done. But around twenty thirteen was the beginning.

551
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: On February twenty to feast of my we were at Disneyland.

552
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: It was my son's birthday. If he stayed, just sent

553
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: him for Francisco. And he came to me and he

554
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: showed me that you know, there's another one and it's coming.

555
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: And this was in twenty thirteen, so you think, okay,

556
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: well it's gonna be next year. Now it took me

557
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: out fifteen years. He told me to get this movie.

558
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: I came on real quick, but it was kind of

559
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: like fifty ten years, fifteen years when I started in

560
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight to get me to two thousand and

561
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: two when we made it. It takes a while to

562
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: make these things, but it just takes the right time.

563
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: And only got what was the years Jim for the sequel.

564
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: So going back to years, but going back, why you know,

565
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: why was it this time? There's a reason for it

566
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: and I don't. I don't know. But am I scared? Yes?

567
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: But if I wasn't, I wouldn't want to work with

568
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: that actor because you're not ready.

569
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: And this is a war, a quick free flow before

570
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: we go back to Jim Cavizel in KYSH. You haven't

571
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: been paying attention. Suddenly everywhere you look there are faith

572
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: inflected films on streaming at the cineplex. Just this past weekend,

573
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: The King of Kings, an animated feature retelling the story

574
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: of Jesus, made nineteen million dollars in its opening weekend

575
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: and it was number two overall. The House of David

576
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: was one of Amazon's most watched series. There was a

577
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: film about the Virgin Mary on Netflix. There's another coming

578
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: to screens at the end of the year with Cavizl

579
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: as Herod. Incidentally, then there's the Chosen and of course,

580
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: the most anticipated Jesus film ever, Mel Gibson's Resurrection of

581
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: the Christ. What amazes me is the industry is always

582
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: aghast when these films turn up huge audiences in box office.

583
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: Ye of little faith, as John Irwin, the director, told

584
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: me on a recent episode, and you should go and

585
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: catch that episode. The challenge is to have the art

586
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: match the subject matter. And let's admit it, a lot

587
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: of what passes for faith based films has so much

588
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: cheese in it you'd swear it were sponsored by Valveda.

589
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

590
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: A perfect person encounters a little problem, they pray to

591
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: God that everything turns out okay, and they're more perfect

592
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: by the end of the film. It's a hack of

593
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: a lot easier to hit those magical God tropes in

594
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: the same old way than to dig deep and break

595
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 1: new artistic ground and layer in human meaning and doubt

596
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: and conflict and suffering. The faith audience, as I've been

597
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: saying for years and years, is starving and malnourished. This

598
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: audience was exposed by Gibson twenty years ago when no

599
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: one saw religious epic coming, But audiences today want something

600
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: more than sand, sandals and saccharin. They want these films

601
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: to have human relationships they can relate to, suffering an

602
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: authentic recognition of the divine that they feel all around them,

603
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: a supernatural sense of good and evil that only the

604
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: best artists they're capable of summoning. What I fear is

605
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: that Hollywood will start green lighting all kinds of shlock

606
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: based on the successes of just a few films. By

607
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: the way, the crop of recent films, all these faith

608
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: based films you're seeing, they're only around because of the

609
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: success of Cavizl's Sound of Freedom a few summers ago,

610
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: when that blockbuster crashed in, Hollywood took notice and started

611
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: trying to reach that faith audience. It's a worthy pursuit,

612
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: but unless creators have real beliefs and an understanding of

613
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: the sensibilities of that audience, they'll never be able to

614
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: attract and hold them. Any Time you touch this kind

615
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: of supernaturally charged material, especially a story based in the scriptures,

616
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: there is a hard, hard path, a spiritual path that

617
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: accompanies it. It's a cross for those filmmakers, anybody involved,

618
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: and a reminder of the tracks you think you're walking

619
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: in and a remembrance of what happened to the first

620
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: guy who got up and told his audience stories or

621
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: parables that were filled with such truth they struck a

622
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: nerve and rattled consciences. It ain't for the fate of heart,

623
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: but those are the only stories that truly change lives

624
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: and the world. As you'll hear from Jim cavesl what

625
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: in your life helped you connect to the suffering of Jesus?

626
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: What in my life?

627
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we all look to our own lives

628
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: to connect with these. When you're an actor, you're looking

629
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: when did I go through something that was like this,

630
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: was similar to this? Was there anything like that that

631
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: you connected with?

632
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 2: Yes, it's my core, yes, but it's just not something

633
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: I want to talk about publicly. But I would say

634
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 2: that it was during that time that I reached out

635
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: to God and said, please help me, and he did,

636
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: and he came in a way which he gave me

637
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 2: my purpose and if and I always I ask people,

638
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: you know, you don't ask for money, don't ask for power,

639
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: don't ask for any of that. Just ask for a

640
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: purpose and you may get those things anyway. But when

641
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: you are a steward of God, much as given much

642
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: as expected you. That's a huge responsibility. What did you

643
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: learn about Jesus in playing him that you didn't know

644
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: when this started? I always say I never played him.

645
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: He played me. Let God play you. He knows you

646
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: better than you know yourself. He knows the greatest things

647
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: about you. You know the gifts that you have that

648
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: you Many people that go through their lives they never

649
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: know that they could have done something. I was if

650
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: I had my brothers, Well, if I didn't go to

651
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: the NBA, I wasn't good enough. But I was just

652
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: saying that if I had gone into West Point, I

653
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: would have been in Iraq, I would have.

654
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: What did you learn about him when it was done Jesus' time? Yeah,

655
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: that you didn't know before. We always learned things when

656
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: you particularly when you play a character. You know people

657
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: more intimately after you play them than you do than

658
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: even a historian does, because you put them in your

659
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: soul in some ways.

660
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: Well, he was with me when I was on the cross.

661
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 2: The last I heard I had this internal internal lucution,

662
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 2: and he said, am I too close? And that's when

663
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: the doctor is putting the stethoscope on my heart? And

664
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: I could I was struggling, breathing, and I said, you're

665
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: not close enough. I cried when I said that, this

666
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: is at the end, and I was blue. My body

667
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: was you watch that movie. There's nothing fakery about that.

668
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: I was freaking. I was blue, uh, and I but

669
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: I was.

670
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: I was.

671
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, first the devil comes and he

672
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: takes away your your career, your your job, your your reputations,

673
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: ruined everything. But I thought, man if I died here, yeah,

674
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: how many pastors or you say? What will you say

675
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: to God? You know, when you're a red judgment. I

676
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: tried to play it. Yeah, yeah, I liked it, but

677
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: it that went right up to the electrocution, and I was,

678
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 2: I was eerie. There was no enjoyment of that process

679
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: because boom, I was. I got shot right out of

680
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: my body. I saw my back. I was not. I mean,

681
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: if these are my shoulders and this is my head.

682
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: I was at this angle, not this angle, but this angle,

683
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: looking at my shoulders, and then I was scared. And

684
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: then I'm looking at Yeah. Mcaleney walks over and he

685
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: springs an umbrella, umbrella, and I'm looking at his hand

686
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: and his hand explodes, sparks fly out of his hands

687
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: because another one boom. He got struck. Both of you

688
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: got struck, but this one went boom, and it was

689
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: like my head imploded and then exploded. I'm at the end.

690
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: I'm there's they had a medic truck. I'm in the

691
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: back of the medic truck. This is the end of

692
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: the movie. That's it. I'm in a medic truck and

693
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: the whole thing, and they're reading my heart and everything.

694
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: And then eventually the big surgery I had was well

695
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 2: when was at the Stanford doctor patch Walla. But then

696
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 2: doctor gillen Off and doctor Griffin at Cleveland Clinic saved

697
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: my life and two heart surgeries, yes, and a full full,

698
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: full on open heart, and they I came out of surgery.

699
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: I had the tubes, you know, and you're like, you know,

700
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: it's it's rough because you're you can't you can't talk

701
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: and you got all these tubes in your throat and everything,

702
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: and and all of a sudden boom, I It's like

703
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: someone took an egg and cracked it on on the

704
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: lower right side. It just I died right there.

705
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: Now.

706
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: Ma us'n coom oh. The and everything from that was

707
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: the put the Eucharist next to the camera. So I

708
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 2: went during the Last Supper. If you look in my eyes,

709
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: you'll see a camera and you'll see a Catholic priest

710
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: Folco sitting exposing the host. And how are you preparing

711
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: now for this resurrection?

712
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll return twenty years later to this world.

713
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: That really branded and marked your career.

714
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: So I'm fifty seven, fifty six, I don't know, sixty five,

715
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: seventy four or not. But what's crazy about it is

716
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: just be the best you can at the age you're

717
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: at now. But it hurts a lot more. It's physically

718
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: a lot harder. You know, the joints that all the years.

719
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: The good news is you don't have the beating, discouraging,

720
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: the cross. You don't have all of that in this movie.

721
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of wisdom left there and it's

722
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: where he needed me to be. Or he would have

723
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 2: done it earlier. He'd have done it right after the passion.

724
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: He would have said, let's do it. But they were

725
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: probably you know, I'm also when you're thirty three years old,

726
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 2: have you think you're going to be thirty three forever?

727
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: You always be this way or always be I don't

728
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: know why, But there's something there that I'm the controller

729
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: of my destiny and you're not. And I don't control time,

730
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: and I think that had to be wiped away from me.

731
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: It's a gift time. We have no control over it.

732
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: I was just reading see Us Lewis today the screwtape

733
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: Big Demons talking to Wormwood, and he says, those humans

734
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: they think they have control of twenty four hours a day.

735
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: What a bunch of idiots until the end and it's over,

736
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: and that's where they go, No, no, no, he's mine is.

737
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: I don't want it to get to that. I just

738
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: so maybe that's what Jesus taught you. You're not in command,

739
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: and the enormity of the physical suff I shouldn't be where.

740
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: They tasted a bit of it well, of course, but

741
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: it was enough to kill me. It was enough to

742
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: kill me. I mean, my heart shut off. The doctors

743
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: ran into the room and I watched them.

744
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: I was.

745
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: Out of body experience. I watched the whole thing. I

746
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: told them that I watched all of you when you

747
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: were in the room when I was dead. And they,

748
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: you know, not all of them believe the way we believe.

749
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: But they were like they I could tell them everybody.

750
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 2: I told them what they were doing in the room.

751
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: I watched it and I felt the most peace, and

752
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: I felt the most love. And then they brought me

753
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: back and then I felt the most pain.

754
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, then you got the most pain again. Then you're

755
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: back full circle.

756
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: Moment.

757
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: Look, this is we're coming up on Holy Week. This

758
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: is Holy Week when everybody spends a moment. Christians spend

759
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: time meditating on the sufferings of Jesus, the passion.

760
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: When you look up at a crucifix in a church,

761
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: what goes through your mind? What do you see? I

762
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 2: remember how I used to look up. Now when I

763
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: look up, I go into him and I look out

764
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,959
Speaker 2: all the time. What does it mean? Because it takes

765
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: me back to what my perspective on the passion. So

766
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: the gift I have is looking from our Lord's perspective,

767
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: not mine. I start from my perspective, and then I

768
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: go up into him look out, and I see I

769
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: feel what he feels, which is what people that don't

770
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: love him. And I think that's the key. I wanted

771
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: for people to have an experience that they would know

772
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: Jesus from watching a movie. And I would say to

773
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 2: him why not you come through me? And I begged him,

774
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: begged him over and over again. Will you come through me?

775
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: Will you present yourself to the world. I saw a

776
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: vision of Jesus. It was silhouetted it, but I can

777
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 2: see him and he was sitting in an Indian style

778
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: and he was very sad, and I said, what's wrong.

779
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: He said, he's not a requirement of you as a

780
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: Catholic to do this movie. And I said, good, I

781
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: won't get somebody else. And he says, I don't have

782
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: anybody else. And he was so sad when he said it.

783
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: And I said why. He says, they won't ask me

784
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: what you'll ask me? What am I going to ask you?

785
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: He wouldn't tell me. So when I got my shoulder dislocated,

786
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: I went down bit through my tongue. Looked over to Mary.

787
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: When I was down, I said I was in such

788
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: pain and I said I don't want them to see me.

789
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: I only want them to see you. And then I

790
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: turned to Marry and I said, alui me old mother, Dad,

791
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: completely different scene all the other takes, and that was

792
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: bit through my tongue, and I just said, this was

793
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 2: a fight from the get go, from thehold mother, I

794
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: make old things behold, I make all things new, and

795
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 2: that take my shoulders out. And I was like everything

796
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: I had, But I didn't make that face. I just

797
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: went into this, Oh my god, this hurts me and

798
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: it it. My arm went over and Mills said it

799
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: was like a precious child. I was in cruciating pain

800
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 2: to put my arm over. It was trying to find

801
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 2: a better position. And none of the other texts were

802
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: like that. Wow. So I said, okay, whatever it takes,

803
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: if it comes through that, the greatest things in life

804
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: come through these horrible pains that you have, and if

805
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: you just hang in there and you're ready to go

806
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: back down that path again. It I don't see it

807
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: the same way. It's a purpose. It's a the book,

808
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: the purpose driven life. That's what all those that's really

809
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: that somebody's of that book is the Saints. The lives

810
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: are the Saints. Isn't that the treasure?

811
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: Though? That that That's what I could have asked them

812
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: for anything, but I wanted a purpose. What's different this

813
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: time for you? In your mind? I mean, obviously you're

814
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: not the suffering Jesus this time out.

815
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: This is the resurrected Jesus, how do you approach that.

816
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: I read about it today in the screw tape letters

817
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 2: doing this recording. Don't worry about the future. The past

818
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: is dead, it's locked. The light coming through, the divine

819
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: light coming through in the present moment. Now we know

820
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: of eternity that's coming someday, but it's it's staying in this,

821
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: in this moment. It's hard to do. When you do that.

822
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: You know that one's coming, and I know the day

823
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: of Reckoning is coming. To do that film, but I'm not.

824
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: He's already putting the the devil is already doing and

825
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: what he has to do to me right now. Now

826
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: there's this protection there, but there's enough to where my coach,

827
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: god Father's son, Holy Spirit and all the heaven is

828
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 2: already guiding this right now. And so you're not worried,

829
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: of course I am. Yeah, that will never but I

830
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: was worried on the least one. Yeah, did I fail?

831
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: I will fail if it get if I get too

832
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 2: far out of all my skis. I have to really, really,

833
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: really stay in this moment.

834
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: As we anticipate the resurrection. I was surprised.

835
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: I want to enjoy this one more than I did

836
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: the other one, I got too far over my skis.

837
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: On the other one, I was concerned that it was

838
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: not an aramaic you know, I said, we're not doing this. Well,

839
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 2: that was a different world. But trust, I really do

840
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: trust what mel ads. Just because I don't do it

841
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: in or make doesn't mean Jesus goes away through the

842
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: sacraments is I won't do it without the sacraments. And

843
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: that's that's everything. Every day it's the Sacraments. But I

844
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: love that.

845
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: I've never heard you say that before. I'm looking I hope,

846
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to enjoying this one more.

847
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so really experiencing the resurrection because you know

848
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 2: you're not going to get this many shots. You know,

849
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 2: I'm never going to get another shot at this again.

850
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: And I remember somebody telling me you should take a journal.

851
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: I said, my journal is right here. I remember at all,

852
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: but I wish I had, you know, documented some of

853
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: the stuff that I went through that you know, well,

854
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: now you get another chance.

855
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about zero A D. You're playing King HEROD. Yeah,

856
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: you're in prosthetics for this role.

857
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was four or five hours every day and

858
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: that was the key to it. Oh yeah, you saw

859
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 2: yourself and that was it. Yeah, it was I knew

860
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: he was aramic and they were like, well, he's kind

861
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: of I said, no, this is how he's because they

862
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 2: were doing that freaking accent today I don't know. And

863
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 2: I was like, look, nobody here can do aramic like

864
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: I could do well, but I know how to do it.

865
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: And I said, this is an aramaic to him. Okay.

866
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: He said, well he's got this that. I said, yeah,

867
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: because he had. He would be meeting with this king

868
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: over here from Egypt, from right all these other air is,

869
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: so he wouldn't have he wouldn't sound like any of

870
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: these guys from a local town. He would be a king.

871
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: And when I first started, I was, you know, Richard

872
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: Harris was a great athlete, okay, and Brando was a

873
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: great you know, very athletic. Russell Crowe, very athletic. And

874
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: I said I think that you know, this guy was

875
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 2: a great herod was a great athlete. And then what

876
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: sin does to you, It just starts you, It destroys you.

877
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: And and I love history. I love the stories of

878
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: you know what, what what made those people change? And

879
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: what the devil had planned? This guy was going to

880
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: stop it at all costs. Nobody's going to get through

881
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: this guy. And what they did on Bethlehem was nothing

882
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: short of pure genocide like the Nazis. It was well orchestrated,

883
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,479
Speaker 2: well done, and he saw to it to make sure

884
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: it was done. And where he was I think he

885
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: was like the head guy in Galilee. He'd done such

886
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: a great job with the shipping and the money. He said,

887
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: is family. Yes, it was like you're moving. He was

888
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: on a fast track. Now. His father was murdered and

889
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 2: taken out by a group of faction, and he moved fast.

890
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: And he's removed all of these and he ended.

891
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: And he was a great builder. They didn't call him

892
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: heard the grade for nothing.

893
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: That's right. He returned it was putting it back to

894
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: its old glory. So he understood the people and what

895
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: would keep him in power and also the factions of individuals.

896
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: That why those other kingdoms and areas Masada had to

897
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 2: be built for him to protect him, to protect what

898
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 2: were they?

899
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: They were fortresses that he could run to.

900
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 2: He needed to este based out. Amazing.

901
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: Okay, I got to ask you my royal grande questions

902
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: that I ask everybody.

903
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: You're ready, He's a rapid fire. I'm not good at that.

904
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 1: Will be who's the person you most admire?

905
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: My wife? Why this is my life pillar? As though

906
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: it's not even have to think about that? See that

907
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:11,439
Speaker 2: was a bad question.

908
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: Well I'm starting easy.

909
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: I'm not good at the who's the person you most despise?

910
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 2: I've forgiven them another good answer?

911
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: What is your best feature?

912
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 2: Feature? Yeah? Passion, passion? Passion? Yeah, I thought feature, not

913
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: feature film.

914
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: What's your best feature as a person, as a as

915
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: an actor?

916
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: Isn't that a feature? It can be anything.

917
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: It could be a quality, it could be a physical trait.

918
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: What's your best feature?

919
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. I haven't thought about it.

920
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: You know what people would say, your eyes they're older,

921
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: but that's probably what they would say, is your best feature?

922
00:53:59,000 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 2: But they're smiling.

923
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: What depends on if you're the guy you just forgave

924
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: or not?

925
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 2: I guess I rish eyes or smile? You know it

926
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 2: goes well, they must be up to something exactly exactly. Okay,

927
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: Well what do you fear? Well? The first thing is

928
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: is is resurrection the film the greatest fear? Really? Oh yeah,

929
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 2: anything can go on that. But you got to remember,

930
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 2: though it's I was born to do so. But greatest

931
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: fear I worry my children, my my family. You know

932
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: I'm not the I'm a good husband, good father, I'm

933
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: not the best father I want to be. I'm one

934
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: of the best husband I want to be. You know

935
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: those are those are other things, but I do love

936
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: them deeply. What is the thing you know that no

937
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: one else knows? I've heard other actors say it before.

938
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 2: You know you're going to fail. You know that it

939
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: might be the great a gift that you have, but

940
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: you're always concerned about that. I just outwork everybody. I

941
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: think that's a big thing, is that I have to

942
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: out work on it and then the gift takes over

943
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: from there.

944
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: What's your favorite book.

945
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: The one I'm doing right now is Screwtape Letters. It's

946
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 2: what I'm into.

947
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun, it's book and it's very wise.

948
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: Well it's very wise, but it's getting me ready for

949
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 2: the Resurrection. Oh. I'm really studying it. So I'm breaking

950
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 2: it apart and going through it and getting into the

951
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: thoughts of evil, you know, the antithesis of what I'm

952
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 2: going to be playing. And there's something how Jesus works

953
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: is so simple there's a reason why I'm doing it,

954
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: and it's during Lent. I'm fasting. Even though you and

955
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 2: I are going to go to a nice restaurant after this,

956
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: I'm not going to have any wine.

957
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well maybe we won't be going to dinner.

958
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: What is your biggest regret. I don't really have any.

959
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: You don't have a professional regret. No, a role you

960
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: should have taken.

961
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: No, because there were reasons for it at the time.

962
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 2: They've worked out, but it wasn't.

963
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: For me, you know, no regrets.

964
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 2: I would have had a major regret if I had

965
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: not married my wife. That would have been and that

966
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: almost happened. You know, I threw it away, and.

967
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: But I.

968
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 2: My soul was enough pointed in the right direction where

969
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: something from above said, you know, gave me a bit

970
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 2: of a broken heart and said she was in the

971
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: plan for you. Get back there, dummy, And I did.

972
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: What's the best piece of it vice you ever got?

973
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 2: I was talking to this this old priest and he says, Jim,

974
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: don't start any new addictions, and so I never did. Well,

975
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 2: that's a good.

976
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: Piece of advice. What about the old addictions? They're there,

977
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: but don't add on to him, don't add on to it.

978
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 2: Well, because you know, you think about it, like some

979
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: people get into drugs and they go just one time.

980
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: But if I think you measure that, you go, what

981
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: if I become so addicted to it, how's that going

982
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: to change my life? Well, just look at the people

983
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: that they couldn't get rid of it. I was working

984
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 2: on a movie called Pay It Forward, and I went

985
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 2: down to First Avenue and I was with the people

986
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: that were heroin addictions and they're all going to die.

987
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: And the man that was working with me was he

988
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: looked like he was in a concentration camp. He was

989
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: just getting bone, and he was teaching me how to

990
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 2: put the out looks. And I watched all of them.

991
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: But I hear people talking about all the time when

992
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: they say this is a pay it forward program or

993
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: we're going to pay it forward, and what. Yeah, I

994
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: was in that movie. I played a heroin addict and

995
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: I think of that guy, and so I always pray

996
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: for him when this is over. What happens again? Now

997
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: I'm thinking way too far out. I want to enjoy

998
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: the process. I'm so happy that my children get to see,

999
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: you know, their father at work. And but it's the

1000
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 2: continual thing. I'm not going to buy Jesus. I need

1001
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: him to play me. It's the only white way that

1002
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 2: this thing is going to work.

1003
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: But what happens when this is over.

1004
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: When this is over, who knows if I'm still an actor,

1005
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: you know, if I can't get a job, just be

1006
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: a dad and be a husband, Maybe play a little golf.

1007
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: We're going to go out to dinner. That's what happens

1008
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: when this is over.

1009
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jim.

1010
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: Here's the hole what you and I can take from

1011
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: Jim Cavizl's path. Two things jumped out of me. The

1012
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: physical discipline he imposes on himself and the spiritual discipline,

1013
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: which he credits for his greatest performances. No matter what

1014
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: you're doing, The discipline of pushing yourself, maintaining these bodies

1015
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: the only instruments we really have, and then spending time

1016
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: with God to figure out what he's calling you to

1017
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: and how you get there. Those elements are critical.

1018
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 2: It's not just for.

1019
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: Actors playing Jesus. God can play you too. The hardest part,

1020
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: I guess is the mystery of suffering that Jim has

1021
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: certainly tasted. We all experience when striving to do great things.

1022
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: The hardship at times redirects and deepens our work.

1023
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: I think for the better.

1024
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: It certainly purifies your intentions and maybe that's why it's

1025
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: there in the first place. I also like that he

1026
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: didn't pray for things, but for purpose. That is fantastic advice.

1027
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending time with us. I hope you'll

1028
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: come back to Royo Grande soon. Why live a dry,

1029
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: constricted trickle of a life when if you fill it

1030
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: with good things, it can flow into a broad, driving

1031
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: Arroyo Grande. Thanks for being with us. I'm Raymond Arroyo.

1032
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: Happy Easter and make sure to subscribe and like this episode.

1033
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,600
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