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Speaker 1: Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. Reelvalry. No, no, sibling,

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Speaker 1: don't do that with your mouth, Revelry. That's good. So

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Speaker 1: on today's episode, you're going to have a conversation with

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Speaker 1: Tay and Gabriel Digs Tay and Oliver. They've known each

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Speaker 1: other for a long time, many many, many many. This

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Speaker 1: was the first time you've gotten to know Gabriel. I've

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Speaker 1: known Gabriel, I didn't know him in this capacity. I

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Speaker 1: mean we obviously gotten to some deep stuff. I've known Gabriel.

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Speaker 1: He was honestly the most a shining bright light, ray

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Speaker 1: of amazing sunshine, most optimistic person I think I've ever read.

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Speaker 1: I was so taken by him, and he really does

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Speaker 1: it's the optimytimistic, overflowing. I just loved him. And Tay

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Speaker 1: is just as equally as bright. I mean, how about

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Speaker 1: that man. Well, and they really opened up about their

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Speaker 1: childhood and it's one of our I think, more serious

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Speaker 1: episodes that we've done so far. Yeah, all this, but

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Speaker 1: it was interesting because I've known Tay for a long

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Speaker 1: time and our relationship is deep, but it's also very funny.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we live in comedy and we like making

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Speaker 1: each other laugh, and I would assume we would come

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Speaker 1: on here and talk about some interesting things, but we

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Speaker 1: actually got into a space of real depth and them

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Speaker 1: sort of talking about their childhood, how they grew up,

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Speaker 1: and their different perspectives, how Tay saw his father one

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Speaker 1: way and how Gabriel saw him another. Tay and Gabriel

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Speaker 1: got a lot closer later in life, so when they

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Speaker 1: grew up it was different than they got closer later

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Speaker 1: in life. Worked together and honestly, this was a joy

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Speaker 1: of a podcast for us, and I think there was

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Speaker 1: some real funny moments or some light moments, but all

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Speaker 1: in all, they really trusted the space, and even Gabriel.

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Speaker 1: I remember one time during the interview he said, is

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Speaker 1: this all right for me to get into with Tay?

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Speaker 1: And He's like, oh, yeah, you know, yeah, No. It

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Speaker 1: was nice. It was nice that they could actually be

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Speaker 1: that truthful and authentic and open up like that. I

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Speaker 1: also think that stories like that are important to talk

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Speaker 1: about because it lets people out there know that there's

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Speaker 1: ways to heal those moments in your life and the

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Speaker 1: importance of that relationship. I think their story can be

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Speaker 1: very helpful for a lot of people who are maybe

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Speaker 1: listening to this who have gone through similar situations. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's why. So I just I love when

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Speaker 1: people come on here and they start talking about things

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Speaker 1: think that sort of happened in this space. It's about

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Speaker 1: connection we wanted. All we want to talk about is

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Speaker 1: why we become who we become and what our connections

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Speaker 1: were in our life of why this relationship of siblings

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Speaker 1: is so important. Sometimes we're del to hand that is

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Speaker 1: traumatic and very challenging, and then you have a family

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Speaker 1: dynamic that can actually be your great support system. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's what I gathered from Tay in Gabriel,

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Speaker 1: and I think that they help they help each other.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's really interesting because there is an age difference,

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Speaker 1: and again, Gabriel's perspective being that of optimism in a sense,

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Speaker 1: I think probably has had an effect on Tay and

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Speaker 1: handsome man. Uh so I'm gonna start with that. I

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Speaker 1: also want to say that TEDx is still so hot.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, he's so hot. It's like crazy. I mean, honey,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I'm saying this. He is say this in

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Speaker 1: be fine. But also he's just just on the inside too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the man is just so shiny and positive

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Speaker 1: And he's just you just want to be around him.

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Speaker 1: I know, you just want to be around him. I

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Speaker 1: have so much fun when Tay comes around to parties too,

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Speaker 1: I want to get back to his dancing, because I

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Speaker 1: he's a fine young man, old old sixty three year

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Speaker 1: old sixty three, but he looks great. Anyway. This is

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Speaker 1: Tay and Gabriel Diggs. Love you boys, and your brother's

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Speaker 1: trying to find the house right now while he's not here.

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Speaker 1: Growing up with Tay like a good brother, or was he? Was?

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Speaker 1: He like a sweet other. How many years difference are

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Speaker 1: you five? Yes? So there's six years between myself and

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Speaker 1: And my brother was like the satellite and we were

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Speaker 1: always looking up to him, and he always had his

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Speaker 1: own friends in the neighborhood. I'm probably giving so much.

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Speaker 1: He's going to want to be here to hear all that.

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Speaker 1: Knowing him, he was like a VIP in the house.

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Speaker 1: All good, here he comes, here, he comes, he's walking in. Now.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy. I am. Thank you for doing this.

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Speaker 1: And I you know what I just did because we

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Speaker 1: she wanted me to end it with a freestyle, and

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Speaker 1: we met, basically on a little movie my new best friend.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, and I'm at gay back then too,

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Speaker 1: when you had dreads. Yeah really, yeah, well that's when

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Speaker 1: I met you. It was way back and we were

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Speaker 1: just sitting here. I was getting acquainted with your bro. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: this is good. Let's let's start from the beginning. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: from the beginning. So we grew up in Rochester. It's

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Speaker 1: How you want to head, he's laughing. Nickname, I did

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Speaker 1: have a nickname. My dad used to call me butter,

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Speaker 1: Shilo was like butter something like that. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: because we're all blood full blood. Yes, well they are,

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Speaker 1: to ask more often I am I have a different father.

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Speaker 1: The four of them have the same mother and father,

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Speaker 1: so we all share the same mother. I was around first,

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Speaker 1: so I saw all of them, okay, and you didn't

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Speaker 1: But but none of us knew I met him, And

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Speaker 1: guys find out? I can't even remember the year. But

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Speaker 1: know that he was your half yeah later until way later,

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Speaker 1: and I don't even know. I think, yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: like the satellite. He was I'm like a god. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like Jesus, like exactly like Jesus, Jesus, I'm born ship.

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Speaker 1: That's happening right now. Oh yeah, full Oliver. First of all,

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Speaker 1: we are black, Jesus first born. Both of us together

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Speaker 1: mom's name Marcia, Yeah, Jeffries is yeah, my stepdad Jeffries.

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Speaker 1: My real dad's name was Andre Andre Yes, okay. And

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Speaker 1: We moved around a lot, right, Yeah, I mean we're

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Speaker 1: And it's just an amazing, incredible community, you know, it's quiet,

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Speaker 1: But it was perfect. It was quiet, it was very safe,

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Speaker 1: my perspective, the four of them were close. I always

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Speaker 1: I left they, it didn't didn't have that much of

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00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: an effect on me. There was a moment when my

427
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: mother left as well, and then I'm like, oh, they

428
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: we left them, We left them with that horrible man.

429
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: How did they get tom? When did she leave? She when? Yeah?

430
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: So this is when we were in Mississippi and you

431
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: were still doing Syracuse school to talk about this. Yeah, yeah,

432
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: So so we moved to Mississippi and my mom was

433
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: continuing her studies and got accepted at the University of Ole,

434
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: miss miss and so yeah, so this is incredible because

435
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: so there was this united Front in Henrietta when we

436
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: were younger, and then we moved between mom and dad yes,

437
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: well yeah, just the whole unit. And then we moved.

438
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: We got bounced out of this house. So we got

439
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: bounced out of this incredible suburb and Rietta and into

440
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: the inner city, into this ghetto like hood. We were

441
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: like one of maybe two African American families in this

442
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: would you in Henrietta? Yeah? No, I was like those

443
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 1: were I grew up thinking that black people have money.

444
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: Oh really? Yeah. Yeah, I just remember like two different families.

445
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: The denis is at the bottom and perspective right, well

446
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: either way, yeah, your experience you went you and then

447
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: so now you're in Mississippi right well so okay, so

448
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: we so we lived in this beautiful house, nice uh,

449
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: middle class neighborhood, and then moved to this hood, you know,

450
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: kind of ghetto place. And that's when I think the

451
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: relationship between my parents started to frame. I don't know, yeah,

452
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: maybe I'm creatix of my mind, but yeah, I saw

453
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: it kind of, I think, because it's like with any relationship,

454
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: when when the extor becomes less fun, you're looking in

455
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: and like, okay, what is to see going on? Yeah?

456
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: And then we're growing up as kids, so all these

457
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: family dynamics. You know that you're kind and this is

458
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: what parents have to go through. And mom was and

459
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: and now looking back she also I see her also

460
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: as a child, she was like the the our father

461
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: was the king and they were all the servants. And

462
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: when she kind of found the arts that yes he

463
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: was he was Yeah, control goes right, yes, So there

464
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: was that that's when it started and I think she

465
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: started to see, you know that there were other wu

466
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: be like and then the seed was planeted. Was he

467
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: abusive to her? I don't know. Well at the end.

468
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: So when we moved from Okay, so it was so

469
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: we moved to the hood and lived there and it

470
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: was a little bit tough. And then we moved to

471
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: a really nice place that wasn't you know, Henriette, but

472
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: it was in the in the middle of the city,

473
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: but really beautiful. Just our street was really beautiful at

474
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: a nice little community. So things were kind of good again.

475
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: But another big part of it was the religious side

476
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: that we talked about, and my dad kind of went

477
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: off on this real strange religious tangent. Yeah, yep, and

478
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: my mom wasn't so on board anymore. It was cool

479
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: when it was just going to church, you know, Sunday

480
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: is Christianity, but my dad got kind of on this

481
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: vision question, you know, spiritual mission and wanted to bring

482
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: all of us with him, and so my mom was like,

483
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm in with it that much,

484
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. So that was that and and you know,

485
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: all these years later, I guess you don't know because

486
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: my dad never had a psychiatrist, you know parents. Yeah,

487
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: but I think he had mental health issues that he

488
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: was dealing with the whole way. Absolutely did. Yeah. Yeah,

489
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: so he became there was an extreme element to his

490
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: religious one. Yeah, it became the extreme. And then I

491
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: think for my mom it was discovery as well. Well

492
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 1: there was Again from my perspective, it was always extreme.

493
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: He get fired from jobs. Did you feel like as

494
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: kids that you had to kind of tiptoe around him

495
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: like what you didn't know? Like what it could be

496
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: great or could be like disaster. For me, it was

497
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: just like the stuff we got in trouble for was

498
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: was bad stuff, you know, well, bad stuff like you're

499
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: not coming home on time, or feeling stuff funny or

500
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: not turning on the porch leg Oh right, stuff like that.

501
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Right? Okayfective? You didn't

502
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: know any was going to blow up. So then when

503
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: in Mississippis, and it wasn't like screaming, It was very concentrated,

504
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: very deliberate, deliberate beating. Yeah, yeah, uniformed. There was no

505
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: losing of the tempers and screaming. I told you, everything

506
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: was very justified. You did this, that's it. I told

507
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: you not to. So you never had a father figure

508
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: that wrapped his arms around you and said I love

509
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: you no matter what I got that. I got that

510
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: from him. Yeah, so that was just that was that

511
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: was why I think in my mind I've always been okay,

512
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: is that there was always that love and closeness and

513
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, I always felt loved. So the beating of

514
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: stuff was just like a horrifying thing that would happen,

515
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: but it was never lasting as far as then, do

516
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: your mom ended up leaving him? Yeah, so okay, Yes,

517
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: we moved to the hood and then to this nice house,

518
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: and then the religious things were starting to cause a

519
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: rift between them, and my dad wasn't even like my

520
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: brother said, he lost jobs, you know, trying to do

521
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: because he was like, man, he was an architect, he

522
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: was in the Air Force, he had cars, you know, girlfriends,

523
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: all this kind of thing, and then just later in life,

524
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: just his mind just started to go this way and

525
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: just really you know, yeah, so you know, so my

526
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: mom's hanging out people who don't have these issues. It's fun,

527
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: it's college, you're doing plays. Everybody's cool. But having that

528
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: and kind of spreading her wings as an artist, something

529
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: she always wanted to do since she was a kid

530
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: and her mom wouldn't let her do. So she's getting

531
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: all this expression in freedom, expression and freedom and then

532
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: to come home to this guy who doesn't know how

533
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: to exist and to have a job and you know,

534
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: make the make ends me. We were on welfare and

535
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: my dad was going on getting food stamps and all this.

536
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: So for her it just was like, Okay, yeah, this

537
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: is not the kind of reality I want to be in.

538
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: So they were going to split up, just remembering this.

539
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: They were going to split up before we moved to Mississippi,

540
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: but that move was like, oh, if we moved, maybe

541
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: things will be I did not know that I should start. Yeah,

542
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: So anyway, so it's just kind of so that and

543
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: then she left and she left you with death right.

544
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: It felt like she just jetted all of a sudden.

545
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: She was with a new dude. All the I call them,

546
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: the kids were just with my dad. So we were

547
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: living in this trailer when we first moved to Mississippi.

548
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: It was like the cheapest thing they could get. And

549
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 1: then my dad. So my dad was always this kind

550
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: of charismatic guy who could good people. Yeah, I could

551
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: influence people, get him to do yeah. Yeah, So we

552
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: got us moved into this incredible house out in the

553
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: countryside with cows and you know, land and all this.

554
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: So we were there and then it was good for

555
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: a time. Then I think once again the riff started.

556
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: You Mom, they were my dad was trying to go

557
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: to university, trying to shadow my mom and her and

558
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: heasm for you know, education and all this, but it

559
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: just didn't last. And so the distance between them was

560
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: going and going, and you know, my mom had people

561
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: she'd kind of lean on outside of that, and it

562
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't, you know, I'm an adult now.

563
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if it has to be like this way,

564
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, forever. So she left and moved in with

565
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: this one dude who wasn't a great guy. Unfortunately for me,

566
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: my own perspective, I always see things as an adventure.

567
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: So whenever there's something new, I'm like, oh, this will

568
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: be something new, and Gabriel, somebody's like, it's just a

569
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: another adventure, another adventure because another dude. Yeah, I was like, hey,

570
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: this is great. She literally was given like this shield

571
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: of light. Yeah, thank God. Is that just your true

572
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: essence or is there a part of you that uses

573
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: that sort of as a shield as a deflection as

574
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: a defense to sort of some of the real deep

575
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: shit that you might be feeling or not knowing your

576
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: feeling or you don't know until you you know, meet

577
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: someone or in a certain situation. But from my perspective,

578
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: like I said, I've always I don't know if if

579
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: you have previous lives or what, but I believe you do. Yeah,

580
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: and I believe somebody has blessed you. You know something

581
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: is I kind of believe that, believe a little bit

582
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: of both many lives. Yeah, you've got to there is

583
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: a Buddha quality over here to my right with Yeah,

584
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: I never took it too personal, I think is what

585
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: I want to get to. Where I would just be like, Okay,

586
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: I'm in this situation. I can't leave. It's family. I

587
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: have to stay, and you know these are my brothers, sisters.

588
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: And the fact that that I was loved so deeply,

589
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: I think that just kind of forced out any other

590
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: kind of feelings or feelings of you know, sorry for

591
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: myself or whatever. You know what I mean. That's that's

592
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: that's the thing I remember most is just all the

593
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: love and all the excitement and adventures and yes, you know,

594
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: beatings are you know, horrific and not something you want

595
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: to think about. But for me, it was just something

596
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: that happened. You know, it wasn't cool, but it happened.

597
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: And are you to the are you to the closest

598
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: of the siblings? I am the Oh I feel like

599
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm the closest to Gabe because of we're just we

600
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: were in both in la and we had there was

601
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: a moment where we were very very close where he

602
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: was kind of like my assistant when when I first

603
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: started coming to l A. Yeah. Yeah, for me, it

604
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: was like this, it was this rediscovery thing after because I,

605
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know you as a person, so

606
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: so growing up he was a big brother. We always

607
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: looked up to him, like, oh, he's got cool friends

608
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: and he can play soccer and tennis, like he was

609
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: in everything. Maner for me on stage, you know, So

610
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: for me it was just like pretty amazing. It was

611
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: this incredible thing up and he would take us to

612
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: the pool and like all this stuff. Knowing I mean,

613
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, I want to be like you. We look

614
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: up to like your freestyling ability, it's incredible, it's pretty

615
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: you're rhyming, Yeah I can rhyme. Okay, So so yeah,

616
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: so we I think on one of the trips, I

617
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: think my brother discovered my personality. Yeah, because you have

618
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: all the kids together and you're all this one thing.

619
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: And then when I nobody makes me laugh, like because

620
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: he remembers the crazy stuff, but he had like you know,

621
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: he allows me to laugh at it instead of like,

622
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: oh it was so awful. So you know, he's got

623
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 1: the imitations of our step my stepdad, just how moments,

624
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: how we all felt when he would enter a room,

625
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: like we can laugh at it and nobody. It's like

626
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: there there, there's me, and then there's two and two

627
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: Gabriel and Shalom. They are the most similar. I feel

628
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: like some spirit came down and just blessed there, so

629
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: bright and shining and effervescent. And then we have Christian

630
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: and Michael, and they're a little bit more intense. Touched

631
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: them differently, more so than they touched even me. And

632
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: those two they seem to be having no because I

633
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: think they're a little too similar. Okay, I feel like

634
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: they are the furthest I feel like they're the where

635
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm slipping to my child lisp. Just then the furtherest,

636
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: this is the most This is the most I've talked about.

637
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you guys at the end I had

638
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: I had speech at the end of the podcast, gets

639
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: to be like like he's gonna be breastfeeding. You're gonna

640
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: be like It's like He's like, you don't need to

641
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: pump anymore. Jesus know that. It's so funny. What's your

642
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: relationship like? Now? Okay, you're seeing each other right now?

643
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: Was the last time each other? Saturday? Caught us on

644
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: a good on a good month? Yeah, because I just

645
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: saw him a couple of days ago. But I still

646
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: get caught up in and you know, and I attribute

647
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: this to growing up to kind of forgetting who, forgetting

648
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: that he's here, just getting caught up and then realizing,

649
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: oh man, games here, I need to call him up.

650
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: Just because I wanted to get a I was like

651
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: forcing myself to just focus on me for so long

652
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: that I'll go weeks without connecting. And I've you know,

653
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: I've guilt about that, but Gabe's always and you Yeah, yeah,

654
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: So that's what I was gonna say. So after he

655
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: went off to school, it was like, Okay, he's going

656
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: to his thing, older brother. But then as we were,

657
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: as I was maturing and becoming more of an adult,

658
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: and I think we connected. We were writing. He would write,

659
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: he would write everybody letters, but then I'd write back

660
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: and I think you saw my letters, like, oh, this

661
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: guy's you know what's going on here? It's brilliant and

662
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: so yeah, and so then we connected. And then when

663
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: I graduated from college, I moved to New York to

664
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: do I wanted to be a DJ, you know, so

665
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: I moved to New York. I said, oh, I could

666
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: maybe start there, you know, major city. And then my

667
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: brother was like, oh, you know, you're not gonna be

668
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: getting jobs right out of the gate. Maybe I could

669
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: hire you as my personal assistant, you know. I was like, oh,

670
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: that sounds like another adventure. I was like yeah, and

671
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: so yeah. So so for me it was it was

672
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: incredible re meet and really getting to know you for

673
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: the first time. At what point did Tay start to

674
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: become someone that your friends say would know that? Was

675
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: that your brother? You know? Oh? Uh? College or college?

676
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: I want to say, I like this line we're going down,

677
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: Like when did he become a celebrity when you started

678
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: working for him as his assistant? How established was Tay

679
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: really established? He was well into his career. Was this

680
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: like Stella got her groove back when he was doing

681
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: an Equilibrium with Christian Bale Okay, I was doing white movies. Okay,

682
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: so yeah, so he was already there. Did you feel

683
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: like of course to you? Was it like of course, Tay? Yeah,

684
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean just seeing everything he had done from School

685
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: of the Arts in Rochester, Superstar he was like the

686
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: most famous person at School of the Arts, you know,

687
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: and then the most famous people at Syracuse and then

688
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: Broadway and you know what I mean. So we always

689
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, did you ever have any envy or jealousy? No,

690
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: like not even a little bit, not even know. And

691
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: you know what I normally, Tod was doubt with Gabriel.

692
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: I know that he's not. I know that that's true,

693
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: and I know that's no psychological I know. And by

694
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: the way, I think, I honestly think that's a rarity.

695
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: You know. That's what I'm saying. How long do you

696
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: guys go without talking to each other? Because I know

697
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: that it seems like you do go It's like you're

698
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: not You're not in each other's lives every day. No,

699
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: but we were. You were assisting him, so you became

700
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: his assistant. So then what happened then? Why why is

701
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: there is it's a comfortable break, meaning like if you're

702
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: not talking, if you don't talk for a couple of weeks,

703
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: which does it happen? A couple of weeks you're in

704
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: l a y talk and then we check in. It's

705
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: just wa and then we'll make it. I'll make it.

706
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: I'll make it. We one of us will make it

707
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: a point to see each other. I mean, but a

708
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: couple of weeks unless uh, quiet please? Yeah. The cool

709
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: thing is so my brother he's always got projects and

710
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: you know, your family, and he's working hard doing hisything.

711
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: And then on my end, I'm working on my own thing,

712
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: you know, getting things going. So now I just feel

713
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: pressure to do that and work as much as they

714
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: can on getting my projects on the ground and do this.

715
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: So and then the times we do spend together are

716
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: just incredible. You know, we go on vacation. You know.

717
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: So you got into music, so that became your so

718
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: at a young age. So this is the cool thing

719
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: about both of us. I mean, yes, yes, he got

720
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: into music, well got into music? Well no, well okay,

721
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: so let me explain why I say No. When we

722
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: were really little, our parents put us into music and

723
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: put us into they call it orph class where you

724
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: go and learn how to play sylhone and recorder. Yeah,

725
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: so they put us into lives as musicians and artists

726
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: at a very young age. And so we were on

727
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: that track. And then going to college, I didn't know

728
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: what I wanted to be. My mom was like, oh,

729
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: you write good poems. Maybe should be an English major,

730
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: you know. I was like, oh, okay, And so that

731
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: was my college pursuit. And then senior year I went

732
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: to London for overseas studies and just ended up in

733
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: a nightclub dancing, and I right then I was like,

734
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: I stopped dancing. I was like, oh wait, I think

735
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this for a living. Like it's

736
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: weird epiphany thing. But it all kind of came to

737
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: fruition because of growing up in music and playing horn

738
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: and bands and all this all the way up through college.

739
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: Did you play any instrument? Yeah? Trumpet? So you are

740
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: you trying? Okay, amazing? Yeah. So so I've been a

741
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: musician my whole life, just not you know, as a

742
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: profession or something I said I was going to do,

743
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, for a career. It was going to be

744
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: doing English and then see what happened after and then

745
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: going overseas to London was like the trigger for that.

746
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,479
Speaker 1: And then so and how old were you then, because

747
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: you've been put you've been doing music for a long time. Yeah,

748
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: so my whole life around music and my parents or

749
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: to play music in the house and just incredible. But

750
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: you got into DJing right, So DJing specifically was after

751
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: London nightclub doing beats producing, Yeah, like the whole nine

752
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: yards and are you still doing that? Yes, that's all

753
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: I do. All you do and radio I volunt When

754
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: I first moved out to La Have you guys heard

755
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: of kow? Yeah? Of course. When I first moved here,

756
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: people were like, oh, you like drumm and bass and

757
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: dance music. There's this one station you sit here, and

758
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: they would never say exactly what it was. They're like, oh,

759
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: we don't know that. It's like eighty nine points something whatever.

760
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: And one night I was just driving and I heard

761
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: this song. I was like, oh my god, this is it.

762
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: I pulled over, I said whoa and it was CASERW

763
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: And so I finally discovered it like a year after

764
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: somebody told me about it, and I went down there.

765
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: So then you started at KCRW. Right, so somebody said, oh,

766
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: well the way you get on the radio is to

767
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: good on there to volunteer, and so I went down

768
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: I signed her to be a volunteer. I didn't hear

769
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: back from them for like a year, you know, I

770
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: signed up, didn't hear anything. A year later, They're like, oh,

771
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: are you still interested doing this? I was like yes,

772
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: So I went down there, volunteered, did some voiceover work

773
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: with them. They were hey, hey, come here. You know

774
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: you got a good voice to get in here and

775
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: talk about this. And then left to do my own podcast.

776
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: I started my own music podcast, kind of in the

777
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 1: vein of case our W but a little bit more

778
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: dance electronic. And then after that kind of got a

779
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: little tired of the LA scene. DJing. I was doing

780
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: a residency at the Rosevelt Hotel the Tropicana, which is incredible,

781
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: like every Saturday, and then got tired of the music

782
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: scene stateside and was like, oh, I'd been to Ibiza

783
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: with my brother when we were doing Equilibrium. See my

784
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: brother is incredible because he I was listening to some

785
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: of your music and I thought, you know, this sounds

786
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: like you like, well Europe House. Yeah, yeah, the foam

787
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: the foam party game. So my brother was like, instrument.

788
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: There's been people all throughout my life who have kind

789
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: of seen me and said, oh okay, this guy's got something,

790
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: let's push him that way, let's do this. You know.

791
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: Always there's been people, my mom and my dad, and

792
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: so when I graduated, my brother took me on this

793
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,959
Speaker 1: crazy journey over to Europe to film the movie every

794
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: weekend from Berlin because it was freezing in Berlin, it

795
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: was snowing, you know. We would hop a plane to Milan,

796
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: Be's you know, everywhere. So that was my first Yeah,

797
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: that was incredible. I was equilibrium with Christian Bale, Bale

798
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: and Sean Bean, Emily Watson Wattson, Bill Thickner. Bill. It

799
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: was like a version of them, like the Matrix with

800
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: the gun kattas and like Fairy Night four or five

801
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: one or something right, Yeah, yeah, And you guys would

802
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: go every weekend and go somewhere new. Yeah, that's fun.

803
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: What time of year was this, like November? Oh yeah, yeah,

804
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: just freezing good stuff. Did you guys hold hands ever? No,

805
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: We hugged a lot, told each other we loved each Yeah,

806
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: we were tight. Yeah, so so so getting back to

807
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: what I was saying about kidding you know what happened,

808
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: But so growing up in a household where everything was

809
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: orchestrated and tightly tightly knit and you're told how to

810
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: feel and what your relationships with each other were supposed

811
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: to be, it was incredible for me rediscovering you afterwards

812
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: getting out of that, you know, first discovering myself going

813
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: into school, but then discovering you as a person and saying, oh,

814
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, this is who this guy really is. We don't,

815
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: you know, not who Dad says you should be or

816
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: take care of us or whatever. So yeah, so that's

817
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: just I think a lot of families experience that. To agree,

818
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: that's cool. But so in a sense, tays Tay helped

819
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: you in a way. He was like my or you

820
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: who you were, yes, without without without without you even

821
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: really knowing it, you know what I mean. Like, those

822
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: are moments where it's like, oh wow, And because of

823
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: this experience, I've sort of understood more of who I

824
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: I tell him that all the time. I tell everybody.

825
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: I try to tell everybody in my life, thank for

826
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: doing it. You know, Well, we talk about perspective. So

827
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: my mom's perspective on raising us. She feels so guilty

828
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: for how some of the siblings responded and leaving us

829
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: with Dad and all this, and I'm like, oh, I'm

830
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: always like, oh no, the most amazing mom ever. You know,

831
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: don't feel too bad. So it's all about perspective. It's

832
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: all about experience, and everything that happens obviously informs where

833
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: you're at now in terms of how you see yourself.

834
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: Were you an outgoing type, were you more introverted extroverted?

835
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: I was all of it. I was both. I won't

836
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: say I was two sides both, and I think both

837
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: sides equally contributed to where I am today and to

838
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: the positives of my life and the negatives, do you

839
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So there was I was very

840
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: very shy, very nerdy, very slight, very insecure up until

841
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: a certain age. The arts helped, but then deep down

842
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: inside I remember always wanting I was always remember wanting

843
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: to stand up to our father and never being able to.

844
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: So I'm sure that kind of manifested itself somehow into

845
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: the arts. I always wanted to be the guy that

846
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: was on stage. I always wanted to be the funny

847
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: guy cracking all the jokes instead of the guy that

848
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: was getting made fun of. And then through the arts,

849
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: I literally was given the gift to be that guy.

850
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: So then once there was no looking back, you know,

851
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: And then once I was introduced to the gym and

852
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: I could have control over how I looked as well,

853
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was a fucking wrap, Yeah,

854
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: it was. You ever get the chance for a lot

855
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: of girls, a lot of guys, a lot of girls,

856
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: including myself. I was like, you could have got it,

857
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: You could have got you could have got it. Yeah, okay,

858
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: so you you found freedom in the arts, You found

859
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 1: you're just you were just born free. Did you ever

860
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: get the chance to stand up to your wait? But no,

861
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: This was senior year and I had been exposed enough

862
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: to after school. I had spent enough time away from

863
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: my younger brothers and sisters that I was feeling myself right.

864
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: And Mom probably gave a little bit help to right

865
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: because she was well. She was always supportive, always and

866
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 1: always told me that I was gonna be My father

867
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: actually did this as well, regardless of our in spite

868
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: of our relationship, he was always in the moment it

869
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: was awful, but he was always like, you're gonna be great,

870
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: positive reinforcement. There was never a doubt, you know, there

871
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: was never a doubt for me. Like everybody knew that

872
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: I was going to do it, so I knew I

873
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: was going to do it, and it took a lot

874
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: of pressure off. But I remember something happened where I

875
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: was late. I got punished, but then it wasn't my fault.

876
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: And on the ride home, I knew I was gonna

877
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: get punished, and I was thinking up this whole My god,

878
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: remember it all I had, this whole thing was gonna

879
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: come in and you don't know what you're talking about,

880
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: You're wrong, And my friend, it was late and I

881
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: didn't call it because boom, and I was gonna and

882
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: that was, you know, stomp up the stairs. And I

883
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: remember my dad was We used to he used to

884
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 1: have these trays. He would eat his dinner on trays

885
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: in front of the TV. And I walked in, stormed in,

886
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: and I interrupted, my mama, no, I got something to say.

887
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: I remember my dad like, looked up. I said, you

888
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. I was, and he

889
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: laughed at me. He said, look at look at you

890
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: that was the one. And remember there is a thing

891
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: he laughed at me, but you know what, that was goodness.

892
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: That's by the way. It's also a great it's a

893
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: great scene in a movie. I just have to say.

894
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: It's a great moment. But it also says so much

895
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: about your nature, right because you're sensitive emotion. There was

896
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: so much. There was so much, and I was like

897
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: I could see the finish line, you know what I mean,

898
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: Like I knew I was going to call like I

899
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: was out of there, which is the only reason I

900
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: convinced myself that I could do it in the first place.

901
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: And it was there was there was no way. It

902
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: was like I couldn't fit it all through that little

903
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,439
Speaker 1: tiny straw, you know what I mean. It's a great analogy. Yeah,

904
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: do you have any regrets that you didn't stand up

905
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: to him? Or does he even think about that? Yeah?

906
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: You know what this whole thing about. You know, I

907
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: wouldn't change anything. Fuck that. I appreciate that it made

908
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: me who I am. Am. I would change so much

909
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: because talking about it, I would never want to repeat.

910
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: You know. I think about my son, like literally, like

911
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: would I want my son to go through what I know? No.

912
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: So if I don't want it for my son, I

913
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't want it for me. It's two different things. I

914
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: get that it that it shaped me, and I'm appreciative.

915
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: If I had the chance to go back and change it,

916
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: Hell fucking yes? And what would you change all? Most

917
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: of it? Gabe? Would you change anything if you could?

918
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I mean, I'm very happy the way things

919
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: turned out, you know what I mean? But I wouldn't

920
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: change like I feel so blessed to have been put

921
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: on the path, you know, the life path that I've

922
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: been on. And I don't know if going back and

923
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: removing he makes me start feeling insecure could have been

924
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: I'm giving from my let me talk. I'm on the

925
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: path too. I'm on the path. I like. It's as

926
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: simple as it sucked. Would you want it to not suck?

927
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: I would want it to not suck. I get it.

928
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: I love who I am. I wouldn't change who I

929
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: am now, Please, don't you know what I mean? I

930
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: just want to like set this up for all the

931
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: women out there who we haven't done this yet. Gabe,

932
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: forgive me, but you know your brother is a bit

933
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: of a heart throt. In fact, every woman who works

934
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: for me was like, can I please come to but

935
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: I just want to, I just want to set to

936
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: get up. He's got some Aviator Nation sweats on right now,

937
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: looking really a Camo, a Camo sweatshirt that's very nicely

938
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: tight around his muscles. He's got some beads on his arms,

939
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: which leads me to think there is some spiritual birthday party.

940
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I've never found him in this color and

941
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: now they're part of the Yeah, and he just took

942
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: his hat off, which led me to one to say this,

943
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: and his head is just like perfectly beautifully shaved, and

944
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: it's round, amazing and gorgeous and all I want to

945
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: do is rub it. And all the women out there,

946
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna Ruba had describe me, I will Oliver Oliver

947
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: with yeah, beautiful. And then, so what was it like

948
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: for you when you started to actually get jobs and

949
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: feel that kind of validation from the business and for

950
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: what you wanted to do? Okay, a graduated college and

951
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, very exaggerated sense of just confidence, do you

952
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So it was like I knew

953
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: I was gonna make it quote unquote, and I was

954
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: just like how is it going to happen? I remember

955
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: I was living with like six people on the Upper

956
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: East Side and got a survival job at a pizza rit,

957
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: you know, And I remember I was I didn't realize it.

958
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it at the time, but I had anxiety,

959
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: so I knew I couldn't handle waiting tables because I

960
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: got that that would stress me out. So I was

961
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: a host and at a host at pizzeriah you know,

962
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: I told the two other women, I'm going to be

963
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: out of here in a year. I'll either I said, guarantee,

964
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna either have a Broadway show, my own television show,

965
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: or a movie. And they were they laughed, and that's cute.

966
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 1: That's because one of them had been there for a while.

967
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: One of them was a ballet dancer and actress. And

968
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: in six months I was I got my first Broadway show.

969
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: And I was like, peace. I told y'all, bitches, is

970
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: that that wasn't Rent? Wasn't that? No? That was yeah,

971
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: that was Carousel And it was in the ensemble. I

972
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: was like, okay, it's you know, I understudy. I was like,

973
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: it's just it's a start. And then I went to Japan, Tokyo,

974
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: Japan to make money. That was the time of life Disney. Yes, yes,

975
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: that's when it all happened. In my eyes, that's when

976
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: Tay became a star. It's Tokyo. Nobody understood why. I

977
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna make it like I just want

978
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: to go and travel a little bit. And they were like,

979
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: you're on the Broadway. You're on this Broadway train. Why

980
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: would you stop the momentum? And I'm like, He's like,

981
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: I have met I have to play goofy. No, Sebastian

982
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: has got my back. You from Little mermaid an accent? Yes, men,

983
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: don't fire on fire? Did you sell the media right? Awesome?

984
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: I have to see this. You need to pillion. So anyway,

985
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: when I felt like, okay, I'm here, it was when

986
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: I got how Stella got her grew back. When I

987
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: was like a lead, you know, with Angela Bassett. That's

988
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: when I was like, Okay, I got it. But I

989
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: was so ambitious that immediately I was like, okay, I

990
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: remember this is what fucked me up. I saw Matt

991
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: Damon on the cover of Vanity Fair and I was like,

992
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: I want that to start start submitting me for the

993
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: white for the white shit, and I didn't realize how

994
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: racist the business was. And I just kept moving agencies

995
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: because nobody would say, we can't They're not going to

996
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: see you like this, and I just everybody was telling

997
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: me that of course all we see was this, and

998
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: we see as that. Nobody You didn't see that at

999
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: the time. No, no, no, no, because up to now

1000
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: it was just easy. It was I did not have

1001
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: to work. Work was fun. You were talented, that's it.

1002
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: At the end of the day. You were getting jobs.

1003
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: And I could see it. I could see where I

1004
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: could fear talent, and I was like, there's no reason

1005
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: I can't be doing that shit. Can I be doing? Yes,

1006
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: you absolutely can. No, we got to submit it for

1007
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: this that nobody would be like, yo, it's going to

1008
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 1: be difficult, we'll try. If somebody had just been honest

1009
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: and been like, it's a little by, you know, then

1010
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: I would have stayed at CIA. But I literally moved

1011
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: to every single agency until finally I was like, oh,

1012
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: oh man, all right, and I kind of started and

1013
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: started again. But that was to answer your question in

1014
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: a long winded way, uh that that first big movie,

1015
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: how Stella got a groove back, but it was there

1016
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: was never there was never that I'm here. It was

1017
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: never that. It was always like, okay, it felt like

1018
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: you were a hospital. Do you have that feeling now

1019
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: that you're here but in a different way, in a

1020
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: different way now, I'm like really excited to branch out.

1021
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: You feel that direct I'm there for a second. How

1022
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: do you feel about the industry where we are now?

1023
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and this also I attribute to

1024
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: just my spiritual journey. You know, at the end of

1025
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: the day, none of that really matters. If it did matter,

1026
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: you know, I just I you know, there's a part

1027
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: of me that's like, you, guys, what's I've been here.

1028
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 1: We've been here the whole time. Like, let's not don't

1029
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: patch yourself on the back too hard, you know, congratulations, Like, motherfucker,

1030
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: we've been here. You're just now Black Panther just not

1031
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: like So there's a little bit of that. I love

1032
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: that I'm not I don't want to be Will Smith anymore.

1033
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: I love that I can just release that. Yeah, I

1034
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: love the TV gig, give me some cash, Yeah, let

1035
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: me come home, pick up my dude. I love that. Yeah,

1036
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: but there was a hustle when I was like, I'm

1037
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: gonna be Will Smith and when you know you were reaching, Yes,

1038
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: if Will Smith can do it, let me do it.

1039
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: I can maybe do it a little better. There was

1040
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: that time I remember, did you audition for the Aladdin movie?

1041
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: It's simply answer no question. Hey, I was not. I

1042
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: was not approached, Okay, but I'm very excited. If anybody

1043
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: can do it, Will Smith can. He can. He's going

1044
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: to be amazing. He's my hero on the rail. This

1045
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: can all go back to how we were raised and

1046
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: the things that we do in our life to try

1047
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: to prove something, not necessarily realizing that the fuel might

1048
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: be coming from a place that we don't recognize when

1049
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: we're younger, and then you reach a certain point in

1050
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: your life where you go, I don't want to reach

1051
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: for that anymore because it maybe was being Maybe I

1052
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: was doing that for I mean, always the right you know,

1053
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: the right reasons, but maybe it was fueling. It is

1054
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: something you don't want to You just don't want to

1055
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: connect to you anymore. You want to connect to things that,

1056
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Speaker 1: like you said, it is more spiritual your son. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: one of the craziest things that you might have ever

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Speaker 1: done to each other. But I think that because you

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00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: guys you have these things are ongoing. So so my

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Speaker 1: brother would always I was always afraid of life, insects

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Speaker 1: and stuff growing up, and my brother clued into that insects,

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00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: insects like not insects insects. My brother would would UHO,

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Speaker 1: get like dead, answer dead spiders and put him near

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Speaker 1: me and be like it's dead. He would he would

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00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: scream like a banchie with And what was funny to

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Speaker 1: me was, can ask one question real quick? What is

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Speaker 1: a banchie? I don't know something that screams continue. And

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Speaker 1: for me, what what makes something scary is the fact

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Speaker 1: that it's moving and maybe it could crawl on you

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Speaker 1: or bite you. It tripped me out that something dead

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Speaker 1: could still give Gabriel this spear. I just thought it

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Speaker 1: might come to life, because spiders were always very still anywhere,

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Speaker 1: and then they would bust and you're like, oh, and

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Speaker 1: he's so like today, Gabriel is so centered and with

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Speaker 1: the low voice, and he's tall and just enlightened. And

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00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: and to think back at the time when we would

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00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: be like Gabriel, they wouldn't even have to be one.

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Speaker 1: We could say that there was one behind this bug.

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Speaker 1: There's a bug, and he would scream so loud. Oh wait,

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Speaker 1: what's the time I made you drink pea or something?

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Speaker 1: This is like when Oliver pinned me to making me

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01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: pee myself genetic her son, I peace immediately. This is amazing.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think this was going to happen. Later on

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Speaker 1: lamenting younger siblings. Yes, advice for brothers listening who may

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Speaker 1: not get along or who may not even be speaking currently.

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Speaker 1: Oh it seems you know, it's just put behind you.

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Speaker 1: It's not worth it, know that. Uh. The biggest thing

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01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: I think is to just take a minute and step

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Speaker 1: outside yourself and once you take that away, whatever that person,

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01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: whether it's true or false, whatever that persons says, the

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01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: experience is, that's their experience. And to respect that's good.

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01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: Even if you know they're lying through their teeth. Something

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01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: has happened that is making that person lie through their teeth,

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01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: and respect that. That's that is. And a lot of

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01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: times it's not necessarily about you. It's about them, That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They don't make it about it, not

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01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: about this is not about me about for you, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: and that is that's I'm still dealing with that with

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Speaker 1: our younger, keep them in that positive space and let

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Speaker 1: them figure there's just said and done to respect whatever

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Speaker 1: that sibling went through. Who calls the other more just

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Speaker 1: generally you call me, yeah, Yeah, he doesn't have voicemail

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01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah. Do you guys ever argue and if

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01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: you do have we debate? Debate? Yea the last word

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01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: in that argument, it's not yeah, it just seems like

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01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: it just kind of dissipates. I think we have so

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01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: much fun to get. Yeah, it's we're both very understanding.

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01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: We want to make sure we're both very strong and opinionated. Yeah,

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01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,439
Speaker 1: but we're willing to kind of release that because it's

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Speaker 1: not about that. I like this one actually because it's

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Speaker 1: one thing you would change about your sibling. But it's

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Speaker 1: almost like doesn't have to be negative, meaning like if

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Speaker 1: I could give Gabriel one thing, I wish that he

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Speaker 1: would do this, Like is there anything about each other

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Speaker 1: that you would change? Or you would say, Man, I

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Speaker 1: wish more of I want more. I wish you were

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Speaker 1: more of this. I wish you had accepted this about yourself.

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Speaker 1: Like I have no idea. I don't know the industry

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Speaker 1: that Gabe's in. I just know how talented he is,

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Speaker 1: and I know that with djaying, there's like a game

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Speaker 1: you have to play, and Gabe refuses to play that game. Selfishly,

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Speaker 1: for myself, I just want because he's better than these

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Speaker 1: guys that are I want him to play the game

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Speaker 1: so he can have that success, you know what I

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Speaker 1: mean For me, I would never ask him to do this,

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Speaker 1: but if I could, magically, and this is strictly for

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Speaker 1: selfish reasons, just because I want him to have everything.

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Speaker 1: He he's so content now that you know I want.

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to gift him that. And

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Speaker 1: I know that if he you know, there just you

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Speaker 1: could do a wire transfer to that's funny. What about

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Speaker 1: you game? Well, yeah, so I just want my brother

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Speaker 1: to to to see that the sun will always come out,

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Speaker 1: you know, even if it's kind of cloudy. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I'm always able to to see even on a

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Speaker 1: rainy day, I'm always see it's going to get better.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, no, no, no, it's it's it's just struggle

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Speaker 1: for me. When it's raining, I don't I don't feel good,

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01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: but it's raining, and I want this something to come

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Speaker 1: out of me. This is true, all right. I love

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Speaker 1: you guys, we all gotta go. I Love You. Sibling

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Speaker 1: Revelry is executive produced by Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson and

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01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: sim Sarna. Supervising producer is Alison Presnik. Editor is Josh Wendish.

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Speaker 1: Music by Mark Hudson aka Uncle Man.