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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolli and

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Speaker 2: he is Matt Williamson. And it is a beautiful Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: so nice. In fact, Matt, the weather's been unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the.

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Speaker 2: Last few days, a couple of days have been so

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Speaker 2: nice that the lantern flies came back out. I know,

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Speaker 2: I thought they were done, but they disappeared and then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, here they are.

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Speaker 3: Ague. They were plentiful today. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I did wash seven or eight probably, I think I

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Speaker 2: gotta say they were done. Yeah, so you beat me

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Speaker 2: for the day. We saw the walk back to the cars.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it won't go together. Well, we won't go together.

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Speaker 3: I got something else to around. Yeah, it's going to

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Speaker 3: be a trust factor there. I'll let you know. Nomore.

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Speaker 2: So Mike Tomlin holding his regular Tuesday press conference, there

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Speaker 2: won't be one next week because because the Steelers are

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Speaker 2: going to be on the buy and it's going to

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Speaker 2: be the day after they play the Giants. But UH

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Speaker 2: talked about some of the injury issues here and doesn't

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Speaker 2: look like Dante Jackson's issue is going to keep him

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Speaker 2: out of the game on Monday Night. Montrevius Adams, however,

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Speaker 2: looks like that is a longer term issue. But Tomlin

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Speaker 2: didn't have any idea of how long.

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Speaker 3: For a couple of days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Yeah, looks like they'll get Cordell Patterson back

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Speaker 2: this week, at least the possibility. Demonte Kyz is expected

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Speaker 2: to be back this week. And Tyler Madeckevitch and I

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Speaker 2: was thinking about Tomlin was rolling through the injuries. He said,

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Speaker 2: you know Cordero Tyler, and I'm like, Tyler, Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: got I have to start thinking about who which are

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Speaker 2: the Tyler's on the what Tyler's are on the the

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Speaker 2: the roster here Tyler Matda Kayevich, he's been on injury

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Speaker 2: preserve with that hamstring injury. So a very good special

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Speaker 2: teams unit.

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Speaker 3: Just got a better one. Just gotta just got a

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Speaker 3: nice back. Absolutely, and Kz plays team as well. Yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: Special teams that have been outstanding are getting three big

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Speaker 2: dudes back this week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. You sent me a chart today that was just

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Speaker 3: how much have you gained from special teams and turnovers combined?

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Speaker 3: The league's over here and then the Steelers are like

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Speaker 3: the top right is the best you could possibly be,

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Speaker 3: like off the charts, and it's been really that good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the red zone turnovers that they've gotten

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Speaker 2: that leads the league. And then you look at three

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Speaker 2: block kicks, right yeah, just everything is the old kicker

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Speaker 2: never misses, the punters good. You know, the returner has

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Speaker 2: been good, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Chris Boswell's a machine. They thrown one interception too, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and Boswell's Machinewell is a machine. Yeah, it's like just

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Speaker 3: jot it down, you know, don't even.

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Speaker 2: Worry, Like like he comes out onto the field, I'm

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Speaker 2: already typing up the uh, you know for the tweet

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Speaker 2: that he's made the field goal, and just get.

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Speaker 3: Once you've had the pat or what you just send. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, if you took out it's like his whole career.

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Speaker 2: If you took out the injured seasons, the two injured

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Speaker 2: seasons that he's had, he would be the most accurate

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Speaker 2: kicker in NFL history by a lot. I'd say Simon

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Speaker 2: close like he would be over ninety four percent. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I don't remember the I remember one a couple

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Speaker 2: of years ago. He had a groin all year, and

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Speaker 2: I can't remember the other one that was quote a

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Speaker 2: bad year it was. I think it was a groin

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Speaker 2: as well. That that season his career, right, it was

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Speaker 2: like twenty eighteen. I think he missed, uh, he missed

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Speaker 2: several kicks that year and finally it ended up going

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Speaker 2: on IR with the groin injury.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, he's he's as good as they come. He

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Speaker 3: really are. He really is. I mean, like neither one

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Speaker 3: of us are real big on kickers in the Hall

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Speaker 3: of Fame, you know, And I think Tucker's the only

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Speaker 3: one that I would ever vote for, But Boz would

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Speaker 3: be on that next year, you know, Like I think

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Speaker 3: he had a better career than Vinetarian guys like that.

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Speaker 3: That might ends going you know, Like I think he's

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Speaker 3: a Hall of Honor guy. He had never missed a

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Speaker 3: kick in the playoffs. No kicks him Weather. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: get kicksh Weather.

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Speaker 2: The only kick he's missed this year from sixty two

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Speaker 2: two yards sixty two yards. The fact that they even

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Speaker 2: trotted him out there, I saw somebody to I think

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Speaker 2: it's like stronger now than he used to be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when I asked.

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Speaker 2: Tomlin about that, a couple of weeks ago at this

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Speaker 2: press conference, and like, is his leg stronger now? He's

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Speaker 2: like he's always had a strong leg. Yeah, he's I

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Speaker 2: think he's I think might just trust him more.

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Speaker 3: The league also trusts fifty plus yard or is much

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Speaker 3: more than everybody, right, you know, and he's better than

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Speaker 3: everyone else.

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Speaker 2: He's the most accurate kicker from beyond fifty yards in

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Speaker 2: NFL history.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's better than Justin Tucker, I know, and

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Speaker 3: Tucker's been falling off. Yeah, I don't. I vowed he's

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Speaker 3: not even two anymore. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's just been amazing to watch. And

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Speaker 2: I said the Titans had a thing on their kicker.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember who it is now, but he's made

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Speaker 2: like nineteen in a row or something. Yeah, it hasn't

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Speaker 2: missed a kick this season. I'm like, yeah, but does

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Speaker 2: he attempt sixty two yard kicks? Like Boswell would not

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Speaker 2: have a miss right now, and he would be all

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Speaker 2: anybody was talking about if he didn't have what it

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Speaker 2: looks like sixty two years sixty. Yeah, most people aren't

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Speaker 2: even trying try it, right, you know a lot of

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Speaker 2: these and it's that's such a weapon Oh, it's such

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Speaker 2: a weapon. I mean, once you cross midfield, you're probably

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Speaker 2: gonna get points. Yeah, I mean a little further obviously,

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Speaker 2: but I mean it's not that much to ask to

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Speaker 2: get into his range and pretty much know you're getting three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I always love everyone does it. I do it.

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Speaker 3: But all the announcers like, just take the three, you know,

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Speaker 3: like whenever it's decision time, Like, got some.

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Speaker 2: Breaking news, So Montrevius Adams goes on injured preserve. The

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Speaker 2: Steelers put cornerback CJ. Henderson on the active roster. Apparently

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Speaker 2: there were some some teams trying to lure him off

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Speaker 2: of the of the Steelers practice squad. Okay, and they also,

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Speaker 2: with the active of the open spot on the practice squad,

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Speaker 2: signed defensive tackle Braandon Forojoko.

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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, so he is back. He's back, Okay. I

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Speaker 3: thought he was on IR. No, No, okay, they never

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Speaker 2: I think he might have been an early was he

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Speaker 2: injured and training? I don't think he was injured in training.

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Speaker 2: I can think he just didn't make the roster and

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Speaker 2: he was on it. He was on the practice squad,

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Speaker 2: and then of course you started getting some injuries you

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Speaker 2: needed a bunch of offensive linemen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, but I mean he was a solid depth

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Speaker 3: nose type guy. Yeah, played a lot in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's not a bad guy to have around. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Henderson's interesting too, and so I want to pull up

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Speaker 3: a draft profile on him just because he was.

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Speaker 2: A very extremely extremely athletic.

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Speaker 3: Extremely athletic. I just want to check his combine because

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Speaker 3: it was top ten overall type stuff, you know, compters. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so they add him to the active roster. We'll see.

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Speaker 3: Not great news about Adams. Obviously.

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Speaker 2: Tomlin hasn't said anything about Corey Trice over the last

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks. I wonder if he's just so you

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Speaker 2: know that James Pierre is a core special teams guy. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean he's their best gunner.

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Speaker 3: He play lucky, he was floating around. They really were right, and.

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Speaker 2: You know, came in and played well on Sunday in

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Speaker 2: the second half of that game, basically played to like

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Speaker 2: like the last five snaps of the first half and

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Speaker 2: then the entire second half against.

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Speaker 3: What everybody says there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody said this might be the best uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: skill position group in the league. And DeVante Adams didn't

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Speaker 2: have a catch in the second half of that game.

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Speaker 3: I found the Henderson stuff. Okay ahead, and he's a specimen.

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Speaker 3: I mean he went to Florida. He's six' one, which

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Speaker 3: is a huge corner, folks. He's two four at the combine,

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Speaker 3: also a huge corner. Long arm.

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Speaker 2: Probably was a little lighter than he actually is, so

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Speaker 2: could run faster, possibly because he ran a four to

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Speaker 2: three nine yeah, with a one to five to one

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Speaker 2: seven broad twenty reps on the bench like stuff you

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Speaker 2: don't see from corners.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not squeaky clean, you know. I mean, but

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Speaker 3: he's also at a career crossroads where you better do

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Speaker 3: something now or people stop calling. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you see they can light a fire on her.

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Speaker 2: So again, so it's like playing with house money when

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Speaker 2: you get a guy like that, kind of like the

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Speaker 2: Darius Rush stuff. I mean, it didn't work out, but

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Speaker 2: you had an opportune.

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Speaker 3: You're not the one that invested in him, right, Different

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Speaker 3: if you're the Jags and used the first round picks

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Speaker 3: and got nothing out of them. If you're gonna pick

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Speaker 3: them up off the scrappy, give it a.

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Speaker 2: Shot, and and sometimes it's all about with guys like that,

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Speaker 2: opportunity and just the scheme. Yeah, a lot of times

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Speaker 2: the guys are just bad scheme fits for certain teams.

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Speaker 3: And the Jags don't exactly have the best track record

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Speaker 3: of drafting and developing talent they top of the draft.

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Speaker 3: He's been with several teams. Yeah, so that's the situation there.

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Speaker 2: Tomlin was asked about Roman Wilson and he said, look,

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Speaker 2: he got hurt late in the week and missed practice,

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Speaker 2: and I got to see him practice. I don't understand

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Speaker 2: why that's so hard for people to understand. This is

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Speaker 2: the way Mike Tomlin has treated every rookie, regardless of

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Speaker 2: where they were drafted, who they are. You got to practice, yeah,

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Speaker 2: because the last thing you want, especially with a wide receiver,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly this time last week, I assumed he'd be, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, get a hat every week type of thing.

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Speaker 3: But the second he got injured at all in practice,

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Speaker 3: it was like, oh, no chance. I mean, like it

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Speaker 3: to your point, it shocks me that some people are like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I can't believe they didn't have Wil's not there. It's

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Speaker 3: a no brainer, and you wanted to figure out.

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Speaker 2: This is Michael ridwy Thomlins track record. He hasn't deviated

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Speaker 2: from this his entire career. If you're a rookie and

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Speaker 2: you don't practice, if you're even sometimes a first a

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Speaker 2: first year guy in year two, I should say, if

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Speaker 2: you don't practice during the week you're not playing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you need to know, you need to know. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: let me see it on the field. I mean, so

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Speaker 2: much makes a lot of sense. Yeah, so much of

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Speaker 2: coaching is about trust huge. I mean again, especially at

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Speaker 2: that position, because if you run the wrong route in

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Speaker 2: the quarterbacks expecting you to be here and you're over

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Speaker 2: there and he threw the ball like.

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Speaker 3: Or even worse yet, you cry. I mean, like anytime

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Speaker 3: you're watching tape or TV and you see two receivers

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Speaker 3: Had been an issue of young overall.

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Speaker 3: Hey guys, we're going on three. Everybody got that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: When you think of that final drive where they're you know,

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Speaker 2: Now you sneak somebody else in behind him, and you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, But let's get to a break. He is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lollie.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the drive here on the Steelers Audio network.

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Speaker 2: And guess what, Matt, there's another veteran receiver who's reportedly

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that when we return right after this.

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Speaker 1: At least, he is the drive with Dale Lolly and

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Speaker 1: the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And we are back.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson. And

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Speaker 3: well it's a Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: That means there must be trade rumors out there regarding

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, I'm all heres.

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Speaker 3: Okay, doesn't shock me at all. It's the point of

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Speaker 2: Now he's thirty one years old, and you know, at

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Speaker 3: I looked at it. It isn't that bad.

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Speaker 2: You're looking at it fifteen million this year, so he's

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Speaker 3: That up and jel little injury history. He plays hard, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: from like a blocking perspective. Yeah. Like to be flat

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Speaker 2: year a little bit to do some of that stuff.

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00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean Alan Robinson took it to an

435
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,360
Speaker 3: extreme why he was on the field and was really good.

436
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:53,520
Speaker 2: That.

437
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,240
Speaker 3: Back to the compensation though, like when DeVante Adams is

438
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 3: getting traded on a second and something else or that

439
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 3: ended up not being the case. As I said, it's

440
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 3: always you can less than. It's gonna be some negotiation, Yeah, exactly,

441
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 3: it's not.

442
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 2: You're not gonna get a second round pick for thirty

443
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 2: one year old Cooper Cup coming off of two I

444
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 2: don't think back to back injury in riddle of years.

445
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I'm not giving you a two, I'm sorry,

446
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 3: I'll give you a three. I mean, the most I

447
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 3: would say is I'll give you a three and you

448
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 3: don't pick up any contract. We'll handle it, you know.

449
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 3: I mean that to me is my top dollar. But

450
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 3: maybe you can get them for less. You know, if

451
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 3: I more this year and a four next year, can

452
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 3: you do it for a.

453
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,640
Speaker 2: Four with conditions that could turn it into a three?

454
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, if he gets X amount of catches

455
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 3: in a Steeler uniform, you get a three out of it. Yeah,

456
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 3: that'd be fine. And one of the beauties of the

457
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 3: Steelers bargaining power is the money doesn't hurt them. You

458
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 3: know that they have such flexibility that they can. I

459
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 3: don't want to lose too much in draft capital because

460
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 3: you are it might be a semi lean draft after

461
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 3: the Fields trade. Who knows how that goes. So I'm

462
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 3: not thrilled. I'm not giving up a one or two

463
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 3: in this deal, probably in any way, shape or form.

464
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 3: But I think we could talk.

465
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,400
Speaker 2: And you also have to see him play, right that's

466
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 2: the other that's the other part of this right now,

467
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 2: because he hasn't played. There was talk that he might

468
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 2: play last week and then he didn't like last second scratch. Yeah,

469
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 2: it makes me wonder if they're like, let's let's hold

470
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 2: him out to make sure he's completely healthy so we

471
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 2: can kind of showcase him in this game.

472
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I'm not sure if we talked about this

473
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 3: or not, because I did it on another podcast. When

474
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 3: they did hold him out, I thought, well, maybe he's

475
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 3: getting traded Monday, you know what I mean. But Team X,

476
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 3: whether it's the Steelers or not, sure would like to

477
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 3: see him run around. Yeah. You kind of think they

478
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 3: play Thursday night this week? Oh do they?

479
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, I believe so we haven't looked at

480
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 2: the schedule. We'll do that way Fantasy Football focus, But

481
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 2: I think they're the Thursday night game that.

482
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 3: Rings a bell, just commercials DEXT Thursday Night.

483
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you might get to see him and then say, oh,

484
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 2: he looks like he's good, and.

485
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 3: Get him here Friday or Saturday and play two games

486
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 3: back to back. No, I'd be very interested. And at

487
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 3: his age and he's not a cheap contract, you're not

488
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 3: going to give the world for him. Now. The Rams

489
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 3: aren't going to get the.

490
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 2: World for And honestly, at this point, you've got I

491
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 2: wonder if Tampa would want a receiver now they might

492
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 2: be at the point.

493
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 3: Where or is it, Oh man, that was too much

494
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 3: of a blow and we lost, We're out. Yeah, n

495
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 3: if looks rough.

496
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 2: They play the Falcons this week, coming out like you

497
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 2: lose that one, you lose that one. Now you've gotten

498
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 2: swept by the Falcons, and okay, but the Falcons lost.

499
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 2: The Saints are terrible. Carolina is terrible.

500
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 3: I get it. I mean, I mean, yeah, it's I

501
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 3: think we went through it last week like what other

502
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 3: teams could want receivers now, you know, like after the

503
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: Cooper deal, after the Adams deal. Well, one got added

504
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 3: to it last night. I think one got added to it. Yeah,

505
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 3: but two got checked off before.

506
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 2: I just don't know what their contracts it's, or what

507
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 2: their salary capt situation.

508
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 3: I think it's really tight, to be honest with you,

509
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 3: I think they're up against it next year from what

510
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 3: I do off the top of my head. But it

511
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 3: sounds like Godwin's out for the year. Yeah, Evans is not.

512
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 3: I feared to tour his hamstring bad by the just

513
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 3: the look of it and getting rolled out immediately, and thought, man,

514
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 3: that guy might end with a hundred touchdown catches and

515
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 3: his thousand yard streak might end, which probably will anyway now,

516
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 3: but what a career he's had. But that's an awful

517
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 3: blow for the Bucks.

518
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tampa Bay, according to spot track, as ten point

519
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: three million in cap space.

520
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 3: They were maybe the most aggressive team in the league

521
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 3: of re signing their own Baker Evans.

522
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: Which so I imagine some of those contracts kick out,

523
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: kick up next year, and now all of a sudden,

524
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 2: maybe you don't have quite as much space as what

525
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 2: you thought, and it's a little different spot track or

526
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: over the cap as him at ten point five you

527
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: have to go.

528
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: To the NFLPA one. I have to get the end

529
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 3: I'm looking to do. All the My thoughts about it

530
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: is it would help you win now, and Godwin's a

531
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 3: free agent and who knows if he's even ready for

532
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: next year if you were to bring him back, So

533
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 3: you run with a cup of Evans. But they also drafted.

534
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 3: They also drafted with that in mind. McMillan, right, Yeah, exactly,

535
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 3: he's a slot. He's a slot.

536
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, that's something we'll talk about during the

537
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: Fantasy Football focus. But he'd probably be the guy that

538
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: benefits the most from Godwin being out the rest of

539
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 2: the year. Oh yeah, I and he got eight targets

540
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: in that game last night with Godwin out there.

541
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't pay enough attention to Stertling Shepherd, but

542
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 3: he's now he's a slot as well. He's a slot

543
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: and Baker loves him from their Oklahoma days and you know,

544
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: YadA YadA. Yeah.

545
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: Getting back to the study this conversation, they have nine

546
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: point man basically about just under nine point seven million

547
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: dollars in cap space this year right now, as we

548
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 2: sit here.

549
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 3: You wouldn't want to use it all long. You can't

550
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 3: use it all up.

551
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 2: So maybe you would be interested in the Rams picking

552
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 2: up some of that salary just because you're gonna need

553
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: wiggle room if you have more injuries.

554
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and you can roll over the excess to

555
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 3: all that stuff. But yeah, oh no, I would be

556
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 3: open to it. But it also probably I'm sure we

557
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: could figure out one player to restructure and be fine. Yeah,

558
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: and figure it out.

559
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: The crazy thing about this, the teams with the least

560
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 2: amount of cap space, right the team with the least

561
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: amount of the cap space right now, who do you think.

562
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,719
Speaker 3: It is for this year? For right?

563
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: Now as we sit here, Saints their second they have

564
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: the second past. The Carolina Panthers have just nine hundred

565
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: and eight thousand dollars in salary cap space available to them.

566
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 3: They're such a bad organization. How do you do that? Yeah. So,

567
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 3: I'm a big Michael Bardi fan. You know, he's been

568
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: around the block many times in the NFL, and was

569
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 3: listened to this podcast this this morning and he said, guys,

570
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 3: I remember the first year of the Texans, the first

571
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 3: year of the Jags. He's like, this is worse than

572
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: any expansion team I've ever seen. I mean, they just

573
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 3: gave up forty one to Marcus Mariota. Yeah, I'm sorry.

574
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: The Chiefs have been a team that a lot of

575
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: people talked about potentially being in that market for another

576
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: wide receiver. They only have four point one million dollars

577
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: right now. I mean the Ravens are another one. They

578
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: get four point two. They're not making any trades. I

579
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 2: don't think the Ravens need a receiver at this point.

580
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: I mean, Bateman's fine. I kind of thought about them

581
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 2: with that. You just want to run the ball. Maybe

582
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: the only team in the league is run the ball

583
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 2: more than the Steelers.

584
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 3: I mean they played twelve, they play thirteen, they played

585
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 3: twenty two, they play you know, I mean like there's

586
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 3: not even a third receiver on the field that much,

587
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: you know, like if flowers injury was worse than we

588
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: thought or whatever, Yeah, maybe you're in it to win it.

589
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: But the Chiefs would make sense. I mean, he could

590
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: be your your Cooper Cup, but they don't have the

591
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 3: cap space to do it unless they go to the

592
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 3: bank of Mahomes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so he could

593
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 3: be your better Juji.

594
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 2: I don't know how much that creates if you just

595
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: restructure for this year. I think they already did restructure

596
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: for this year with Mahomes recently. Yeah yeah.

597
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: And frankly, I don't know how that works all that

598
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 3: well when you restructure in season to make it always

599
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: happens preseason, you know what I mean.

600
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, But if you if you've already restructured it, you

601
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: can't restructure it again because.

602
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: You've already lowered the cap hit for that year. Like

603
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: the Steelers couldn't go to Cam Hayward and do it again. No,

604
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 3: you know, they just just signed them. But they could

605
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 3: go to TJ or yeah, Minka or whoever.

606
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I'm just looking up to what mahomes

607
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: base salary is here this year. It's nine point eight million,

608
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: So they could create some space with that, but not

609
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: a great amount.

610
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's not that much room there to wiggle. No,

611
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: maybe Chris Jones, or.

612
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: They could restructure Joe Thuni. This is the last year,

613
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: just the last year of his contract.

614
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

615
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: So there's nothing you're not going to get that. That's

616
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: the other part of the equation. You're not going to

617
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: restructure Joe Taylor because you don't.

618
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 3: Want them around. They don't look at guys that are

619
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: coming up this year and just add a year to it,

620
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 3: I think.

621
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: I mean when you look at their the chief salary cap,

622
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: they've only got five guys make who have a base

623
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: salary of more than five million this year.

624
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 3: Okay, and so they've.

625
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: Already done a they've already done a lot of the jiggering, right, Yeah.

626
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've already maxed those credit cards out. Interesting, so

627
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 3: kind what SRAMs cap look like? They got a little bit.

628
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: They've they've got two point four million dollars, but that

629
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: already takes cups contracted.

630
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they move to the county some of that. Yeah,

631
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: they free up a little space. Actually, who do you

632
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: think would want Stafford? Like someone mentioned Vikings, I don't

633
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: understand that.

634
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: I don't understand that the Saints aren't going to be

635
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: in the market.

636
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: No, they can't go old again. No, I don't see

637
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: a landing spot right now, right, I mean it would

638
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: have to be a contender. Yeah, he's not going to

639
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 3: Carolina now, you know, or something like that, right, Yeah,

640
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: I don't know about that one. Maybe that's an off

641
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 3: season move. Yeah, I just don't see if I with

642
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: the Giants in the off season, you know, something like that.

643
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you'd have to think about, we're kind

644
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: of in it here, let's just make it. Let's let's

645
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: do something here to uh, you know, maybe if you're

646
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: you know, if you're the culture, you're ready to give

647
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: up on Anthony Richardson completely and say, hey, we're kind

648
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: of in this.

649
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: Let's let's make this deal and see if we can

650
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: make the playoffs. So like Tennessee, I mean, he's not

651
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: gonna go to the garbage teams now though. Yeah, I'm

652
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 3: sure he has some power in that. Yeah, I mean, heck,

653
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: in the off seas it could be the Steelers. Yeah.

654
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: I mean everyone's thrilled with all the quarterbacks all of

655
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: a sudden, but last week they weren't. Matthew Stafford's pretty good, but.

656
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you need to have to be somebody

657
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: that has an injury or he's just completely unhappy with

658
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: their their current quarterback situation.

659
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 3: And I don't know if he would get moved this year.

660
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: I think Cup does you know, the team like the Raiders,

661
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: isn't going to do it, like why unless you just

662
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: want him in the building to right right right, But

663
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: then he might win you enough games that you're blowing

664
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: your draft pick.

665
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: So no, I don't I don't see him moved. It's

666
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: a spot like I could have seen Miami the day

667
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 3: after two got hurt, but now he's coming back.

668
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I mean, you know, the salaries aren't

669
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: astronomical with Cooper Cup. The cap pit for him for

670
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: the Rams is astronomical. It's twenty nine point seven almost

671
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: twenty nine point eight million dollars, but they've paid all that,

672
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: they paid all that signing bonus. They restructured him so

673
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: that you know, five point seven eight million dollars of

674
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: his cap hit is you know, based on the restructured

675
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: bonus that he got.

676
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: And plus say, if Puka coming back and the guys

677
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: have been playing while they're out of some promise well

678
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: and Wittingham and those guys, you might as well play

679
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: those guys there in future exactly. And you probably draft

680
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: one next year anyway, So it makes all sense in

681
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: the world to move them. Definitely one to keep an

682
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: eye on there. I think Kansas City, Tampa Bay or

683
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 3: the city can't afford them. They would have to do something,

684
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: but yeah, they can't afford it. I just think you

685
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: can always make cap space.

686
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: I don't know when you've only got You've only got

687
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: five guys who have a cap hit. They have a

688
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: base salary of more than five millions. You're not structuring

689
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: anybody to fit. If you were the chief, even a

690
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: modest contract under your would you say, take our second

691
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: in a fifth and pick up all his contract? I mean,

692
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: like do something like that. If you're willing to take

693
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,239
Speaker 2: some contract, maybe I can pay you enough to take

694
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: it all. Well, I mean that's basically what you would

695
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: have to do. And again, now you're mortgaging your future,

696
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: oh big time in a big way. Yeah, and you've

697
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: got some guys you're gonna need to replace you know,

698
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: both their guards are.

699
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: Up, and in big picture, you got Racie Rice coming back,

700
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: you got Marquis Brown coming back.

701
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: You know, you also have Racie Rice facing his suspension.

702
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if he'll play it all next year.

703
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean there is some unknown there. I

704
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: might be interested if I were them. Oh, I'm sure

705
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: they'd be interested. But you know, the the the money,

706
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: you know, you know, making that happen and being interested

707
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: in making it happen are two different things.

708
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I might be interested in overspending on draft

709
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: capital to get him because he'd be under contract for

710
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: a couple of years too. But he's also so it's

711
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: gonna be oh oh yeah, yeah, you know, your team

712
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: gets pretty old pretty quick, not that they already are.

713
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, could he be a Travis Kelsey replacement?

714
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: Sure in a way, Yeah, absolutely.

715
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: You know That's why the whole thing with like DeAndre

716
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: Hopkins didn't make a whole lot of sense with them, No,

717
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: because again you can't.

718
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: I think they want little fast guys on the perimeter

719
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: and big Cooper Cup Juju race you Rice guys in

720
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: the middle. Yeah, you know, and I'm not sure. Hopkins

721
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: isn't either. Yeah, what Hopkins cost.

722
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: Eight point his base salary is eight point two million,

723
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: see up after the year. Uh yeah, he's got some

724
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: avoidable years on there and things of that nature.

725
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I think he'd be dirty, you would think,

726
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: but none much.

727
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, what's his what's his knee? Like that's

728
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: one that maybe you don't need. Injuries, right, The same

729
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: thing with again, these guys, these older guys like Mike,

730
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: you played, if you played in the league for ten years,

731
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: you have an injury history.

732
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: Definitely he does. Yeah, I think he wass Oh yeah,

733
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: I think Cup might even had something coming out of

734
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: school from what I remember, I think there was something

735
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 3: back then. Maybe drop them around. Yeah, So it's it's interesting,

736
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: it's fun to talk about. Yeah, but then you're also

737
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: people never think of it this way. Sometimes you just

738
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 3: inherit someone else's headache. I'm not saying Cooper cups a

739
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: headache or whatever. But signing Mike Williams sounded great. He's

740
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 3: injured all the time. Who cares signed him anyways? You know,

741
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: but jet're gonna dump him for.

742
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: Did you see his body lining? He had one catch

743
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: against the Steelers looked like he was going through conlusions

744
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: and it was down the field late in the game,

745
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: catches the balls. It was a nice game. Immediately looks

746
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: at the sidelines and they're they're bringing him back over

747
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: and he just gets up and starts shaking his head

748
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 2: as he's walking off.

749
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he'll I don't feel play another

750
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: down for the Jets.

751
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: I don't know that he solves the Steelers wide receivers

752
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: problem though, No, I, like you said, it's a you

753
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: know what we really don't know is is it a

754
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: problem because we haven't gotten to see We've gotten one

755
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: game Ofsell Wilson with these receivers. Yeah, we saw Calvin

756
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: Austin catch a thirty six yard pass. We saw Van

757
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: Jefferson catch a touchdown pass.

758
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: But correct me if I'm wrong. You know, we're only

759
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: get one more game of to know that answer. But

760
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: they all saw before the Yeah, yeah, right right. I'm

761
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 3: still very much in the market. But I like in

762
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: the market. Yeah, but I, like you said about Mike

763
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 3: Williams though, like, okay, I mean if you want to

764
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 3: give him to me for nothing, but I'm not done looking. Yeah,

765
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: that didn't problem solved that's on a Nyuk move. That's

766
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: not a Cooper Cup move, you know. And he has

767
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: as many catches this season as Van Jefferson and he

768
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: looks sluggish. Yeah, I mean he can go up and

769
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 3: get it and there's Yeah. I would love to see

770
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 3: him in that wide receiver room. But I'm not giving

771
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 3: you much for him, No, no, because he's also making money.

772
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: Right, you know, not a great time, still enough that

773
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna a rookie deal. Yeah, I don't know that

774
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: he makes you markedly better like some of these other

775
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: guys who were talking.

776
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: The other guys are certainly more desirable on game day. Yeah.

777
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 3: And I don't trust Williams stay healthy. I trust in

778
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 3: the least of all. Yeah. You talk about an injury history.

779
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: That's the guy. Every time he lands it's like it

780
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: looks like a rocket landing on the ground, right, Yeah,

781
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: I mean he lands hard and gets up slow all

782
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: the time. Yeah.

783
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

784
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to the drive here

785
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network, and Matt, there were a

786
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: couple of games last night and they affect the AFC.

787
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 3: Oh.

788
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, overall picture. Let's talk about those when we return

789
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: right after this on the Drive.

790
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: At least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

791
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

792
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

793
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,040
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794
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: I am Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson and

795
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: this is the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network, which

796
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,320
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797
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,640
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798
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: next Monday, because there's right, so we won't do a

799
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: show on Monday.

800
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 3: You'll just have to listen to the pregame show and

801
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: all that good stuff you can find us. We'll be

802
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: plenty of stuff going on.

803
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can also download the Steelers Mobile app

804
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,120
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805
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,680
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806
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: on yesterday's show. Right, they haven't even been up twenty

807
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: four hours yet, where.

808
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 3: They all telling us how smart we are and wonderful.

809
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: Well, they're not looking nasty as they were last week's.

810
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 2: Put it that way, Whins change things too, change his

811
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: perception a little bit. Speaking of changing perceptions, we were

812
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: singing the praises of the Los Angeles Chargers on yesterday's

813
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: show that.

814
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they might be a playoff team, blah blah blah.

815
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: Then they go out and they lose seventeen to fifteen

816
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: to the to the Cardinals and what was just a

817
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: lackluster performance.

818
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wasn't really impressed with either team, to be

819
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: honest with you. I mean that Cardinals defense has very

820
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 3: little talent, as they did like last year, but they're

821
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: well coached and they do weird things. And they stopped

822
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: the run, you know. I mean that was the whole

823
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: key to me in that game is I thought Herbert

824
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 3: looked really really good. But if they're stopping the run,

825
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 3: and you know that's what the Chargers right, that's you're

826
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 3: making the Charges play left handed, you know what I mean?

827
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: That was and that was enough. Kyler made some big plays.

828
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: Herbert threw for three hundred and forty nine yards in

829
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: that game and no touchdowns. No, they didn't score a touchdown.

830
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 3: So that maybe interested in Cooper Cup, I mean they

831
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: should be, but yeah, I don't think that's where they're

832
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: at in their build. He takes time away from lab

833
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 3: McConkey though. So I like the Conky a lot. Yeah,

834
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 3: so probably they're not there throwing to Fojoko a bunch,

835
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah.

836
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they need an outside, they need Mike Williams. Yeah, yeah,

837
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: they need an outside outside the numbers, guy that can.

838
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 3: Threaten the defense. Yeah, you got to get them. You

839
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 3: got to get.

840
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 2: Defenses out of the out of the box because JK.

841
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: Dobbins. It's no secret with the Chargers. No, they want

842
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 3: to try to bludge in you. Yea, So they're now

843
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 3: three and three.

844
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: Yes, the Ravens beat the Buck and hears forty one

845
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: thirty one, and you look at that game and you say, well,

846
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield, he was thirty one to forty five for

847
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: three hundred and seventy yards and three touchdowns. This is

848
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: the difference between reality and fantasy football, right, right. He

849
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: threw two horrendous interceptions, including one basically at the goal

850
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: line that he threw right to Marlin Humphrey. I clearly

851
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: tost some point. I said, Marlon Humphrey must be out

852
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: there in Harry Potter's invisibility cloak, because he threw two

853
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: right too. It did't even see him, right, didn't see him,

854
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: you know, just oh, they there's Marlon Humphrey kind of

855
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: all you see is the head.

856
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. I actually got injured in that game too, by

857
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: the way he did.

858
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Ravens offense is a handful.

859
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: Yes.

860
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 2: That being said, the Buccaneers were up ten to nothing

861
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: in this game.

862
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 3: They came out storming. Yeah. I was sitting there watching

863
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: my son. I'm like, I think the Ravens are gonna

864
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 3: lose this. They're in trouble, They're in trouble. They were

865
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: on the ropes. And then all they're talking about is

866
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: no One or Henry is one touch and ten minutes

867
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: and twenty minutes in whatever.

868
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 2: Then he got some touches and yeah, Carri's for one

869
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty nine yards, also caught a touchdown pass

870
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: Lamar threw five touchdown passenger.

871
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 3: Did you see that? Yeah, just yeah.

872
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 2: He got Derrick Henried just like I did a couple

873
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: of weeks ago.

874
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: The worst feeling when it's like Monday night and you're like, oh,

875
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 3: they have mahomes or they have Henry.

876
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: Like I'm driving back from Indianapolis after that game listening

877
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 2: to Derrick Henry beat my my fantasy team, Like first

878
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: play of the game against the Bills, I'm up twenty

879
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: seven points here now I'm up seven point Yeah, one

880
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 2: play because nobody expected Derrick Henry to get the ball

881
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 2: in the opening the first play of the game.

882
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: But the Ravens pass defense is an issue. It is

883
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: an issue, and they do let people back in games.

884
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: There's been too on side too yet power gon too

885
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: on side kicks this season. They have been successfully recovered

886
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: and they've both come against Baltimore.

887
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't looked, but I wonder, like Dvoa pff whatever,

888
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 3: where are they in special teams? Not where they usually

889
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 3: are always.

890
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 2: They're all They're not this year they're like to that

891
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: guy anymore.

892
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: And if they're doing that kind of thing, it just

893
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 3: makes me wonder. I mean, steels having.

894
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: Even if Punter hasn't been as good this year as

895
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 2: he was last years a rookie, it doesn't surprise him.

896
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean usually that's a market in Stone. They're

897
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: gonna be one of the best special teams units out there.

898
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: That being said, we'll talk when power rankings pop up.

899
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 3: I think they're really good.

900
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: It's a really difficult offense to play against.

901
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 3: It really is. If you can't stop the run, then

902
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: you're doomed. Then you're doing him, you've got no chance. Yeah.

903
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: Now, if you're capable of stopping the run with your

904
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: front seven, you don't have to devote a safety to it.

905
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: I think they're much I'm not saying easier to play,

906
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 2: but they're easier than if you can't. Right, because Kansas

907
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: City beat him by not allowing Derrick Henry to take

908
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: over the game.

909
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 3: I was listening to Aaron Shottz this morning and they

910
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: were talking about that Raiders win in Baltimore, and they said,

911
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: every year we have one top of the DVOA that

912
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: GE's beat by the bottom of dv and we just

913
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 3: shake our head about it. And they were talking about

914
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: all the penalties they took and how they let the

915
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 3: Raiders hang around and didn't finish them off. And that's

916
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: gonna go down as one of the strangest games of

917
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: the year, I think when it's all said and done,

918
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: I mean, one of the worst teams being one of

919
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: the best.

920
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you look at that opener, Kansas City

921
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: held him to forty six yards on thirteen carries.

922
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 3: Henry.

923
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and they win the game twenty seven to twenty. Well,

924
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 2: that twenty points is the is the fewest amount of

925
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: points that they've scored this season. Now, they lost the

926
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: second week of the season twenty six to twenty three,

927
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: and you know, Henry had eighteen for eighty four. Again,

928
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: didn't take the game over, No, right, right, right, And

929
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: I think that's the key. If you don't let him,

930
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: you Lamar's gonna be Lamar. But you can't let Henry

931
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: take the game over.

932
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: See. What's still crazy to me about Henry is he

933
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: still breaks the long ones. You know, I'm not sure

934
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: the Steelers would allow him to scamper eighty, you know

935
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like everybody does let him scamper eighty.

936
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: But always seems like it's like against the Jags when

937
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 3: they were bad on a Thursday night, or Houston when

938
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 3: they had no quarterback. And you know, you know, the

939
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 3: Bucks d is not the best in the world either.

940
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: You know.

941
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: Really in that game last night Tampa Bay, in the

942
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: first half of day, I think he had like eight carries.

943
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: For not much, not much.

944
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: Then he gets free and then then all of a

945
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: sudden he breaks a couple of long ones and he's

946
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: got fifteen for one sixty nine.

947
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like that's where I was going with it, Like

948
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 3: I think I can live even with the Steelers defense

949
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: him getting one hundred and one hundred and twenty yards

950
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: if he doesn't have that, I mean, if it's on

951
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 3: twenty one carries, and.

952
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I don't want him getting to

953
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: twenty one carries, but we think nine no matter what,

954
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: because you want your offense to score enough points to

955
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: take him out.

956
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 3: Of the game. That's just not how Raven Steelers go though,

957
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 3: I understand.

958
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: But again, that's why you make the move to Russell

959
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: Wilson at quarterback. Because one thing that the Ravens have

960
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 2: done time and again this season, they have maybe the

961
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: worst pass defense in the league.

962
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot of blown coverages too, I mean a

963
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 3: lot of mistakes, and I think that's a big issue

964
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: for them with as everyone knows, I mean, we're digging

965
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 3: into these opponents. I'm doing a bunch of stat stuff,

966
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: and the Steelers are Maybe people don't know, but the

967
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 3: Steelers are at the top of the league in like

968
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: every run defense category, just behind the Ravens, you know,

969
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: I mean, like they're they're the two.

970
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: Tampa ran the ball effectively on them last night.

971
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 3: Not too bad, yeah, not too bad. Yeah, So it

972
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: just makes me wonder a little bit.

973
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: They're giving up two hundred and eighty seven yards per

974
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: game passing sixty seven percent completion percentage, fourteen touchdowns that

975
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: they've allowed.

976
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: I bet that's the thirty seventh or lower.

977
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: Well, they're dead last in yardage or the last, and

978
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: they're next to a second, tied for thirtieth in the

979
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: league in past touch and touchdown passes a lot like

980
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: the Dolphins have given up three.

981
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: Think about it.

982
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Chicago's given up four that that Jets team

983
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: had only given up four going into the game against

984
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: Steel's touchdowns.

985
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, passing touchdowns. So this is a team that can

986
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 3: be had through the air. Yeah, you definitely have to

987
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: attack them that way. The funny thing is not recklessly

988
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: like Baker did.

989
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: The funny thing is, I look, I just happened to

990
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 2: be looking up some Joey Porter stats today because I'm

991
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 2: looking up some stuff for the matchup show. Yeah, I

992
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 2: assume he's going to see a lot of neighbors this week.

993
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 3: I would absolutely think so. And I'm looking at pro football, folks.

994
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 2: I just happened to look up the Pro Football focused grades,

995
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: and I'm like, all the Steeler all three Steeler cornerbacks

996
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: were really in the seventies or lower.

997
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, you texted to me. They're all like the worst.

998
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the really at the bottom of league. And

999
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: Beanie Bishop is the highest rated Steelers cornerback. Dante Jackson

1000
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: is second, Joey Porter Jr.

1001
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: Is third. It doesn't pass the eye test. No, And frankly,

1002
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 3: if we had Beanie on again, I bet you he

1003
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: would tell you he probably shouldn't be first on that list.

1004
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: Right, Every Ravens cornerback was ahead of them. And you're

1005
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: dead last in pass defense, right, And people wonder why

1006
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: I try these great the grading system at Pro Football Focus.

1007
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 3: And if the only story I could write is if

1008
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: they were the worst pass rushing team in the history

1009
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 3: of the world. They're not, and they're not, you know

1010
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like they were forced to cover for

1011
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: five seconds at a time. Well than you have bad grades.

1012
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 3: But they're allowing a lot of yardage in production through

1013
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 3: the air.

1014
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: Eight point one yards per attempt. Wow per attempt?

1015
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, wow? Is that last?

1016
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: No, it's not even last. Arizona is worse. Wow, but

1017
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: it's second the second. I mean, all the metrics say

1018
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: they are a bad pass defense. Quarterbacks of a one

1019
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: oh one point six passer rating.

1020
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 3: Against them, and the corners are important in past defense,

1021
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: you'd think so again, they they're good, but they have

1022
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 3: their warts, like everybody. Oh, I agree. I think we

1023
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: had this conversation last Power Ranked day that I don't

1024
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: see a great team in the league right now. You know,

1025
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: like the Ravens were better last year at this point

1026
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: than this year.

1027
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1028
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: I mean, the Lions are going to be at the

1029
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 3: top of the power ranks too. They're really good, but

1030
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: it's lost Hutchinson and Jamis and Williams is getting suspended

1031
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: again or something too. Like they got issues too, man,

1032
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: they had issues everybody in the City's not the juggernaut

1033
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: they usually.

1034
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: Everybody thought the forty nine ers were going to the super.

1035
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: Bowl and they'll be lucky to make the playoffs. They'll

1036
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: be vision. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it

1037
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: will make the playoffs either. I mean, they better turn

1038
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 3: some things around real quick. So it's out for the year.

1039
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 3: You know, this is just one of those years that, yeah,

1040
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 3: maybe he get hot at the right time and we'll

1041
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,479
Speaker 3: get this the Power rank stuff. But another thing Aaron

1042
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 3: Schotz was saying, he said, for this time of the year.

1043
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 3: You know, this many weeks in. He doesn't remember a

1044
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: time in DVA that there were so many awful teams. Yeah,

1045
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 3: that the bottom five, including the Browns. You know, like

1046
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: the Giants aren't even in there, like whe the Giants

1047
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: are them? No, they're not even on the awful teams. Yeah,

1048
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 3: we'll see when we can talk start talking to DVA

1049
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 3: and power ranks. But it's there's some brutal teams in

1050
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 3: the league right now, but there's not like a juggernaut either, right.

1051
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: I just think that you know, free agency and everything

1052
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: is kind of.

1053
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they want to bear it down. Yeah,

1054
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,959
Speaker 3: but that's what shocks made. There are so many awful ones.

1055
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: But that doesn't counter act with the undefeated team.

1056
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 2: Goes back to what we were talking about all off

1057
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: season when you know, the Steelers over under total was

1058
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: eight and a half, actually was lower than that at

1059
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: one point when that seven and a half seven and

1060
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: a half when it first came out. If anybody thinks, yeah,

1061
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: anybody thinks this team is going to win less than

1062
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: seven games.

1063
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: You're on drugs. Yeah, yeah, you've been around. Yeah, it's

1064
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 3: just not.

1065
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: Going to happen because there's so many bad I don't care.

1066
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: And we talked about when the schedule came out. Yeah,

1067
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: the back end of the schedule is difficult, sure, no doubt,

1068
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: but the front end, as we've seen a lot of

1069
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 2: winnable games.

1070
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean last week was the first time I

1071
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 3: picked against the Steelers and I was wrong. Yeah, you

1072
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: know what I mean, anybody, and frankly, they probably should

1073
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: have or could have beat the Colts and Cowboys. Absolutely,

1074
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 3: they're not that far away from being undefeated. Yeah, you know,

1075
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 3: I'd love to play them again. Yeah, you know what

1076
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: I mean. I'd take the Steelers every time against both

1077
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 3: those teams. Absolutely.

1078
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's get through a break that's going to do

1079
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: it for our number one here of the drive on

1080
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network.

1081
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 3: We'll be back with our number two right after this