WEBVTT - Ep37: Living as a Trans-Man

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<v Speaker 1>That's sorry, that's where I got if you do that

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<v Speaker 1>while we all stage all right there, Hey guys, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to another episode of Horrible Decisions. I wanted to we

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<v Speaker 1>my Twitter. UM, we also are getting a horrible decisions

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess let's get on with the show. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>bye bye, Okay, So welcome yet to another episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Horribled Scisions. We have rush. So we are here for

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<v Speaker 1>another episode. I'm your girl, Mandy b a k A

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<v Speaker 1>full core pumps ak that beach and and we honey crip.

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<v Speaker 1>Um we'll get into that. But UM, I guess we

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<v Speaker 1>can introduce our guests now. I'm gonna let Wheezy steerhead

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<v Speaker 1>this episode for many reasons. UM, I guess what I

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<v Speaker 1>want to go ahead and put out in the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the show is a disclaimer UM for anyone a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the l g B t Q community. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to offend anyone with any of the questions

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<v Speaker 1>that I might ask throughout this show, or with anything

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<v Speaker 1>that I may say that can come off as offensive.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm learning, just like you guys, and just like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of our listeners, I am not politically correct one

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the time. So I just want to throw

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<v Speaker 1>that out there. And so I just want to throw

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<v Speaker 1>that out there before this episode begins. So we do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to introduce who we have parties? Yourself? Please?

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<v Speaker 1>There we go? Alright? Uh um, I'll go by RuSHA London. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>no ship. The accent kind of says at all. You

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<v Speaker 1>see what I like to make his access now the

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<v Speaker 1>rings visible? Yeah, I'm sorry, definitely marry um. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>what do you like? So you do b K chat

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<v Speaker 1>That's how we found yes. So basically I was on

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<v Speaker 1>a platform called b k chat or back chat UM.

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<v Speaker 1>It started off in London as a web series or

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<v Speaker 1>a debate platform UM on YouTube basically to discuss various

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<v Speaker 1>different topics in today's society that are controversial. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>panel based UM that provides different opinions and perspectives on

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<v Speaker 1>various topics UM and basically what they did is a

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<v Speaker 1>spinoff that came to New York. UM, I auditioned. I auditioned,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm a cast member. I didn't know that you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't on the UK one. I wasn't on the UK Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't on the UK one because at the when

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<v Speaker 1>when back chat came out, I was actually already living

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<v Speaker 1>out here, So when I heard about a year and

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<v Speaker 1>five months, So when I heard about it coming over here,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'm down. I'm gonna audition and see

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<v Speaker 1>see what's good at my perspective, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>let people hear my opinions and try and try and

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<v Speaker 1>really um give people some thought provoking opinions so that

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<v Speaker 1>the contract, the conversations not just one track minded, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. And I feel like I've done that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's so funny that you also say it's back

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<v Speaker 1>chat because I had black Chat. Yeah, I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was Berkley. So I'm literally like posting you and people

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<v Speaker 1>are on my Twitter like b K chat. I ain't

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<v Speaker 1>seen that nan one of the motherfuck's in Berkeley, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I definitely thought it was b K

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<v Speaker 1>Brooklyn Chat. So I'm glad that you kind of corrected

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<v Speaker 1>us chat. Okay, So I remembered you because we recently

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed Melissa and her Magical Pussy, and you guys were

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<v Speaker 1>ready to get on us because you're like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>been just want dudes have a nicer bills, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>much Why else do you listen to the show? So

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<v Speaker 1>you were the person that said is that all? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that all? So well? And I was like this nin

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<v Speaker 1>is me. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah. That that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of caught me off guard because I was like, yo,

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<v Speaker 1>you're really saying that this is all that you have

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<v Speaker 1>to to give, you know what I mean. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>for me, it was more a question of not so

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<v Speaker 1>much her man right and her man expects from from

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<v Speaker 1>her or or requires or anything like that. It was

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<v Speaker 1>more case of is this really like the weight of

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<v Speaker 1>you as a woman? Like that was where I was

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<v Speaker 1>coming from, you know what I mean, because it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>as a woman, like, of course, your pussy is is great,

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<v Speaker 1>it's magical, apparently, how mean it much? She she got

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<v Speaker 1>a niggat, right, And I was saying, but at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, it's like, as a woman, there's so much

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<v Speaker 1>that you'll have to offer that holds so much weight,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like in society we generally hold pussy

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<v Speaker 1>on the pedal stool. And it's like, if that's your

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<v Speaker 1>only contributing factor to relationship, how long is this really

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<v Speaker 1>gonna last? That was kind of my mindset, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, how are you comfortable with with saying this

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<v Speaker 1>when potentially that could be all that your relationships based

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<v Speaker 1>on them? And I think we dug too much into

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<v Speaker 1>that because we were like, we still don't get it,

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<v Speaker 1>we still don't get it. We still get it and listen,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got to be good. Um. But now you're on

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<v Speaker 1>our show because a new video has come onto b

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<v Speaker 1>K Chat where you came out as trans to your panel,

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<v Speaker 1>I was curious, did you before you auditioned, did you

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<v Speaker 1>tell them wow, what made you change? What made you

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<v Speaker 1>decide to come out? So to be honest, it came

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<v Speaker 1>from a selfish place and a selfless place. And I

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<v Speaker 1>say that in a sense of coming from London, it's

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<v Speaker 1>evident that I'm known in a sense, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean? Like I've been to school with people, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been to college with people, I've worked with people. There's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be for me. It was like I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>anyone to feel like they held weight over me, like

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<v Speaker 1>they was going to be the puppet master to my

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<v Speaker 1>life and my story and be trying to out me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, like on social media, be like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh I know him, he used to be. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want anyone to feel like they had that power over me.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was the self because of real they would

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<v Speaker 1>have never knew. No, I would never know. But we

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<v Speaker 1>we want to get really deep into the discussion of

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<v Speaker 1>you being a trans man and that that's the correct terminology.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna get into the trans man discussion. But

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<v Speaker 1>prior to that, we kind of like to break the

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<v Speaker 1>ice with I guess and kind of you know, so

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<v Speaker 1>I adn't even questions. I don't even have your oh girl,

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<v Speaker 1>I pass it because I got some good ones. Um So,

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<v Speaker 1>what we like to do with our guests when they

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<v Speaker 1>come on the show is we like to play either

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<v Speaker 1>this or that, or have you ever? And I decided

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<v Speaker 1>to do this or that with you because I think

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<v Speaker 1>that would be, you know, very telling. Um So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna start off fairly simple. Okay, So would you rather

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<v Speaker 1>your parents walk in on your masturbating or walk in

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<v Speaker 1>on your parents, masturbait. We looked like she's thinking so hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, my mom's walked in. She's walked in on you.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you rather do? Like, I prefer them to

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<v Speaker 1>walk in on me. You prefer them because you're always

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<v Speaker 1>getting caught doing ship right. And it's like as a parent,

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<v Speaker 1>as a parent when you have a child, Like as

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<v Speaker 1>much as you don't ever expect to walk in on

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<v Speaker 1>your child master being as a parent, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be certain things that you walk into

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<v Speaker 1>with your child, you know what I'm saying. Whereas as

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<v Speaker 1>a child, you don't ever think that you're gonna walk

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<v Speaker 1>in on your parents. Oh my god, I walked into

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<v Speaker 1>my mom jerking my dad off. One I was like

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<v Speaker 1>eleven years old. I remember calling our first name. I

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<v Speaker 1>said Jewel, good night. I would die. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>another one. This is rather funny. So would you rather

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<v Speaker 1>have sex with someone who never showers or someone who

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<v Speaker 1>never brushes their teeth? Both bed? Yeah, that's fun. If

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<v Speaker 1>I smote the nanny on it? Wait you bend the

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<v Speaker 1>die over? Yeah? Would you just said? Oh okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>like think about it, you. I'm sure everyone slept with

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<v Speaker 1>someone they've never kissed exactly right, A lot of nigga

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<v Speaker 1>my nose stuff up right now? Okay? And then would

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<v Speaker 1>you rather date someone who refuses to cuddle or who

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<v Speaker 1>refuses to go down on? You? Refused to go down? Really?

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<v Speaker 1>That was so fast? I really like coming. I got

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<v Speaker 1>a dog, I could get a teddy, but listen, I

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<v Speaker 1>could get what's it called an electrical blanket that feels

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<v Speaker 1>like a caudle? No, I guess here we go the

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<v Speaker 1>minute the man in the room is sucking saying, I,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, just let me get that. Okay, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have one more. This is one that I'd like. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>either both of you gotta answer. Would you rather have

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<v Speaker 1>sex in front of your closest friends or have sex

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<v Speaker 1>on a video with your face blurred out but circulated

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<v Speaker 1>online video? How? No, you don't have to. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what you gotta wear. You ask my friends to

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<v Speaker 1>watch me. I'm not gonna lie beat in front of

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<v Speaker 1>my friends. So you beat off in front of your

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<v Speaker 1>friend in front of one of my friends that they

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<v Speaker 1>walked in and they wasn't I didn't stop, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, cool, Oh, I know that's right. I

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<v Speaker 1>want all of my friends to see me first. You

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<v Speaker 1>know you don't know my about short school to get

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<v Speaker 1>me let me come back. Okay, well, I'm glad to

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<v Speaker 1>see we're all laughing. Now what else we like to

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<v Speaker 1>do on our weekly shows. I'm not sure if you listen,

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<v Speaker 1>but we have kinks of the weeks, week of the week,

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<v Speaker 1>weeks not weeks. You have it? Um, you want me

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<v Speaker 1>to read it? Yeah? I like the one you had

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<v Speaker 1>because it's gross. Which one? Oh? That one? I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna lie in screenshot at one. So we're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>with sorts. Okay, Well, I guess that this is really

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<v Speaker 1>um odds at galma tophilia. I want to say it

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm not retarded atmaphilia. There we go. I say

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<v Speaker 1>it like a mataphilia. I feel like a Wikipedia out metaphilia.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a paraphilia in which a person gets aroused by dolls, statues,

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<v Speaker 1>and mannequins. I watch the document or nothing. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>see the guy in love with his car? Dude? People

0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.920
<v Speaker 1>really fall in love with things. So anyway, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>anytime there's a kink, they're always weird. I try to

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<v Speaker 1>put myself in that person's shoes. I think I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that about my bead. Wait, I don't get aroused

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<v Speaker 1>by it, but like I get really turned on at

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of going to bed. I'm excited to go

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<v Speaker 1>home to my bed. I feel like I'm in love

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<v Speaker 1>with it. See, I don't know, So I'm gonna admit

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<v Speaker 1>something I probably shouldn't, but it doesn't matter. I was young, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so before I started having sex, Like I had this

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<v Speaker 1>big teddy bear that I did. We all used are

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<v Speaker 1>stuffed animals. I didn't even have to. Well, you never hunched,

0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:22.880
<v Speaker 1>so you used to hunch the edge of your bed

0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.080
<v Speaker 1>and I used to hunch this big stuffed animals. So

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<v Speaker 1>you've never hunched anything that wasn't a post yourself again,

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<v Speaker 1>because I feel like a little kid does that. I

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<v Speaker 1>like really used to like grind, Like I used to

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<v Speaker 1>ride the hell out of my fucking teddy bear growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>and I proba, I'm not gonna lie. It used to

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<v Speaker 1>make my pussy really wet. And I was like probably

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<v Speaker 1>seven or eight or nine, really fucking the shot out

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<v Speaker 1>of my teddy bear. And so when when you said

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<v Speaker 1>that we were going to have this as a king,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, bro fucking statues. But I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 1>There's this big old statue in Columbus Circle and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a big old it's a super Columbus naked. But no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the one with Dick showing. I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the mall where you have the big guy and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a and I just like to look at the

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<v Speaker 1>penis on the statue. I think it's you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not by it now, I'm not turning on it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I was turned on by rubbing my goddamn um. Honestly,

0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I could have it on anything. I've been doing this

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<v Speaker 1>new thing with lover voice since he got home, so like,

0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, you'd be sucking his knee. No, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know how like when you with somebody, you already know

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<v Speaker 1>if you wanted to be long sex, it can but

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<v Speaker 1>could also be very short. Yep, we could like five minutes.

0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.040
<v Speaker 1>So now I think he'd just be ready to come

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<v Speaker 1>and go to bed. So like before we're about to,

0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:42.680
<v Speaker 1>he'll go down on me and I'll get on top

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<v Speaker 1>of him, and then he kind of just lets me

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<v Speaker 1>sit on his chest for a little bit while we

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<v Speaker 1>make out, or like on his stomach, and I come

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<v Speaker 1>like that bitch rubbing on like just as long as

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<v Speaker 1>like clip feel a little bit of dick. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>a tease and it's kind of high. Is that weird? Okay, No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not weird. That makes sense. It's not a statue,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean it's a it's a not a option stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>On the documentary you said people like had arousals from

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<v Speaker 1>their cars through different objects and the statues, well, the

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<v Speaker 1>statue one when I saw enough you saw this one

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<v Speaker 1>where the guy was in love with the doll um

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<v Speaker 1>it was a live doll. They pay like a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars and no, no, no, not the thousand, probably way more.

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<v Speaker 1>They're very heavy. He would put it on I see.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I'm talking about one where like they put

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<v Speaker 1>on these outfits. They spend mad money for it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a doll literally like they put it on

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<v Speaker 1>and it looks like a real life walking doll and

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<v Speaker 1>that's their thing like that. I just see people that

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<v Speaker 1>are partners with dolls, and I heard a guy would

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<v Speaker 1>be like, I don't want to go out in the

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<v Speaker 1>real world and just you know, meet people and have

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with them. Now, these dolls have actually seen

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<v Speaker 1>in the Museum of Sex. I think it's and their

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<v Speaker 1>eyes move and like the mouth is like softer. I

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<v Speaker 1>think one of the dolls and there's twenty dollars that's

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<v Speaker 1>in the skin feels real. He changes her clothes. He's like, oh,

0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.240
<v Speaker 1>she likes to wear pain. So I guess for the listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>I do want you guys to know that this is

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<v Speaker 1>not the same as a blow up doll or sex

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<v Speaker 1>toys or anything like that. This is really an affixiation

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<v Speaker 1>with statues and option of people dolls. Really, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>do not even blow up dolls, man, like those real livings.

0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Guys that are listening, I'm gonna find these porns for you.

0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Even since Twitter allows pretty much everything, Twitter is blocking

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<v Speaker 1>out like, oh my god, I hope no one is

0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:38.960
<v Speaker 1>looking at my phone because it's mad Dicks bron the light,

0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.880
<v Speaker 1>mad din on the light. Because I'm a whole all

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<v Speaker 1>day every day. I don't know who this is. Okay,

0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.440
<v Speaker 1>it's a bill collector, so okay, um, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of We're gonna get into our questions, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even gonna lie, I said my disclaimer. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna let we the start off nice until I get

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<v Speaker 1>into the questions that are probably on everybody's mother s mind.

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<v Speaker 1>So go ahead and say that the question to get

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<v Speaker 1>this started. But I want to know, Um, how do

0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:10.240
<v Speaker 1>you describe yourself? Are you? Hey, you're a straight chance

0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.119
<v Speaker 1>in it man? Are you? Because like people don't know?

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I describe myself. I guess as a black

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<v Speaker 1>straight man. Um, I guess for the sake of politics

0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.720
<v Speaker 1>and being politically correct, I have to throw in trends.

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<v Speaker 1>For a long time, I didn't, and that was because

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to be identified as I didn't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to be put into a yet another box.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to, however, and a lot of terms

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<v Speaker 1>of raising awareness I feel like I have. That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>the selfless part of me. I have to because there's

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<v Speaker 1>so many other little boys and girls that feel the

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<v Speaker 1>same way that I did as a child and didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have an adult to identify with, or an adult to

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<v Speaker 1>to have these kinds of discussions with. Didn't have anyone

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<v Speaker 1>around him that was raising awareness in regards to what

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<v Speaker 1>it's like to be trans and the trials and relations

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<v Speaker 1>of being a young black or brown or person of color.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? That identifies as trend. So

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's very important for me and now

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<v Speaker 1>as an adult, to be the adult that I needed

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<v Speaker 1>as a child. So you said that no one, um

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of people are listening and young adults

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand what it's like to go through this. So

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<v Speaker 1>can you explain how it was that you felt as

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<v Speaker 1>a child. Well, what you were born? Yeah, you were

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<v Speaker 1>born a female, correct, What was it like growing and

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<v Speaker 1>how did you deal with the trans how? Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 1>prompted you to transition? And I'm going to start with

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<v Speaker 1>your question first, which was age. I was eight years

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<v Speaker 1>old when I was first attracted to another female. So

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<v Speaker 1>not even when you know you were the wrong girl, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea at that point. All that I

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<v Speaker 1>knew was that the boys and girls playing kiss chase

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<v Speaker 1>in the playground, and I went on being kissed or

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<v Speaker 1>chased by no guy we're fighting from like what do

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<v Speaker 1>you mean? You know what I mean? But I knew

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<v Speaker 1>that I was attracted to a female, and for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like I couldn't comprehend it because I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in a in a in a home where my

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<v Speaker 1>mom was with my stepdad at the time, had been

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<v Speaker 1>for years, and my older brother, who six years older

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<v Speaker 1>than me, had only ever been with females. Females. That's good, ROMI.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had never seen any interaction between any anyone

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<v Speaker 1>else other than males and females. So what city did

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<v Speaker 1>you grow up in? London? Okay? Okay? Now I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like London was progressive? Was it not? How do you

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<v Speaker 1>by the way six? Um? So at that time, London

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<v Speaker 1>is very progressive. London is very similar to New York

0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:45.840
<v Speaker 1>and in various senses. Um, it's very diverse, and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is very progressive. Um. However, back in those days,

0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:55.280
<v Speaker 1>there wasn't that like look look even here now in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the state's the same, even in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just now progressing to where we can even have

0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:04.359
<v Speaker 1>this converse. There's still going to be something that do say.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is where it is, and this is where

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<v Speaker 1>this Conversations like this are very important to be heard. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>But but then and and also it depends on what

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<v Speaker 1>area you grow up. And I'm sure you guys are

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<v Speaker 1>aware of this. In New York. If you grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in a certain area in New York, there's certain things

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<v Speaker 1>that you're gonna be exposed to. UM. And there certain

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<v Speaker 1>things that you're you're definitely not going to be exposed

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<v Speaker 1>to you, you you know what I mean? And that was

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<v Speaker 1>very much so high. It was where I was living.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in a hood essentially speaking, and what

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<v Speaker 1>I was aware of and what I was exposed to

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<v Speaker 1>um wasn't anything close to the LGBTQ community. UM. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of my friends at that moment in time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if we would even see anything like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and even me, like I was, I was a product

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<v Speaker 1>of my environment. If you could see anything like a

0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.320
<v Speaker 1>gamel was like, oh you're batty boy and what I'm saying.

0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:51.000
<v Speaker 1>And I'm from the Caribbean. Also my family is from

0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.360
<v Speaker 1>the Caribbean. So that was a big influence. Even after

0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the music bashment, a lot of bashment is that. So

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<v Speaker 1>now that's interesting because I'm like super curious because you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned actually after Mike that you just said you were

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<v Speaker 1>from the hood, and you were like, you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not only culture, but race and race influences culture.

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<v Speaker 1>You think the black community, I think that the black

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<v Speaker 1>community is in this unfortunate bubble exactly that the word

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<v Speaker 1>real my mouth, in this bubble where they have this

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<v Speaker 1>um forced concept that it doesn't exist, that the LGBTQ

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<v Speaker 1>community does not exist in the Black community. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>like no, like first and foremost, but all of those

0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:40.960
<v Speaker 1>guys out there that are screaming Black lives matter, you

0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.320
<v Speaker 1>only need to understand that Black Lives Matter was created

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<v Speaker 1>by queer and gay folks that identified with the LGBTQ community,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. So you can't be out

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<v Speaker 1>here screaming Black lives matter but not accepting the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that all black lives matter. And that doesn't matter how

0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:58.520
<v Speaker 1>you identify it, you know what I mean. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter whether you're part of the or GBTQ community or not.

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<v Speaker 1>You are you you're screaming that you're part of this

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<v Speaker 1>movement and that you want to raise awareness for this

0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:08.640
<v Speaker 1>movement and you want justice for this movement, But yet

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<v Speaker 1>you're not accepting everyone in the whole entity. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you think that's a masculinity issue, Like when talking about

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<v Speaker 1>toxic masculinity, do you think that the black community has

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<v Speaker 1>a masculinity issue? And it's like, I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a that's a that plays a huge part,

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<v Speaker 1>but on a bigger scale, I think it's about awareness.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you look at the media. The media plays a

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<v Speaker 1>big part in what we understand and what we're exposed to.

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<v Speaker 1>If you only ever see white folks. Actually, Like, one

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<v Speaker 1>of my questions is for you is how do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel about Calin I mean as a as a white transmant. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>then that would be a transferment transforment, correct, So going

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<v Speaker 1>from a male to a female would be considered a

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<v Speaker 1>trans woman. How do you feel about the I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the attention that she's got, not even that, but she's

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<v Speaker 1>like the face, well, we know she's not people that

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like every anybody that's down. No, she's not.

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<v Speaker 1>But and that goes back to the racial there's a

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<v Speaker 1>conversation and part of things because when you check it,

0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:11.280
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, everyone has everyone gets

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<v Speaker 1>to a point in life where they find themselves and

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't. Age is not a factor in this. We can't.

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<v Speaker 1>People are looking at it like, oh, but she she's

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<v Speaker 1>had kids and being married and and you know she

0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:22.520
<v Speaker 1>was living her life as a man for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>What made her do it? Now? That's that's not that's

0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:27.040
<v Speaker 1>neither here nor there. I agree with you on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people think that it's bullshit. I didn't.

0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it's real. It's real. You find, like everyone

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<v Speaker 1>has their points in their life where you find yourself

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<v Speaker 1>and age. Age isn't a factor in that, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean? Like, you find your authentic self and

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<v Speaker 1>you want to live your authentic truth whenever you feel

0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:45.520
<v Speaker 1>ready to do so. Whether that means that now society

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<v Speaker 1>has become more progressive and opened the door for you

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to do so, whether you're you're more

0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:53.560
<v Speaker 1>accepting of yourself, you've done more research, whatever it may be.

0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:56.520
<v Speaker 1>That's even like for me, age isn't a factor. The

0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:02.320
<v Speaker 1>problem I have is that she's not the first trans

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:07.840
<v Speaker 1>woman right ever. Right in fact, like there are other

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.200
<v Speaker 1>trans women of color out there that have been out

0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:14.159
<v Speaker 1>there that have been advocating hard for for for trans

0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:20.720
<v Speaker 1>folks of color that have never had Janet mock Domain

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:22.359
<v Speaker 1>was saying like, I can't tell you this is not

0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:24.440
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful when I was this podcast, Like I can't

0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:27.879
<v Speaker 1>tell you, like there's been people that's been doing it,

0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 1>so it's it's just for me. It's just like, now

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.000
<v Speaker 1>you've got this white woman of you know that's got

0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 1>somewhere well, we know that that's standard white I guess, right, woman,

0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:42.119
<v Speaker 1>as long as you white, you've got that. You know,

0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:44.920
<v Speaker 1>people have to you know, learn to understand that. And

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:49.359
<v Speaker 1>but anyway, that's a whole different conversation. But um, you've now,

0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:52.359
<v Speaker 1>I've got this white woman that's come from money, that

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:55.440
<v Speaker 1>holds some form of power in the social um in

0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:58.359
<v Speaker 1>a in a social like economic situation, you know what

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:00.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean. And all of a sudden, it's like all

0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:02.920
<v Speaker 1>the media is just focused on on her. And that's cool,

0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.119
<v Speaker 1>don't get me wrong, because you're living your truth and

0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like you've got the platform

0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 1>to somewhat be an advocate for it. But that to me,

0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:13.320
<v Speaker 1>But little every other woman of color that's been out

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:15.480
<v Speaker 1>here doing this, you know what I mean, And I'm

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:18.639
<v Speaker 1>still not today getting the recognition that they should be getting.

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:22.280
<v Speaker 1>And that goes back to the media and propaganda feeding

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:27.439
<v Speaker 1>us looking at one of that, right, Well, I really

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 1>enjoy that we're even discussing the progression that we have

0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:33.119
<v Speaker 1>been made. But what I really want to do is

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:36.160
<v Speaker 1>get back to your story. So when eight he realized

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:40.399
<v Speaker 1>you liked women, at what was the next phase, Um

0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:42.600
<v Speaker 1>that you feel like that you went through through your

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:46.280
<v Speaker 1>transition so you realize I'm different. I don't like the

0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 1>opposite sex. What was the next phase? The next phase

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>for me was puby pubes, impub pubs. I mean I

0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:05.119
<v Speaker 1>was like pubes. Okay, puberty hits you canybe hit me,

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 1>and it was like, oh my gosh, like this is

0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:13.680
<v Speaker 1>not my body anymore, you know what I mean? Like

0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 1>for a long time for me, gender and sex because

0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.000
<v Speaker 1>sex and gender two completely different things. Mind. I'm sorry

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 1>this segway, but I do want people to understand that

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:26.880
<v Speaker 1>sexual orientation and gender identity. So sexual orientation is one

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:31.480
<v Speaker 1>thing completely. Sexual orientation is who you're attracted to, what

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:36.600
<v Speaker 1>you're attracted to. Gender identity. Gender identity is a mental thing.

0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:41.160
<v Speaker 1>It's whether you are. It's how you identify in social circles.

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 1>So whether you identify as a man in society right

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:50.199
<v Speaker 1>and then? And then sex is in terms of anatomy,

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:54.280
<v Speaker 1>and that's what makes you a straight man. No, because

0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 1>you identify yourself that way. Yes, But look, sex is

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:03.040
<v Speaker 1>so you was born, he was born a male or female.

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:10.880
<v Speaker 1>That's six. Gender is man and woman. Ah, so sex

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 1>gender sexual you have female, so you have sex gender sexuality.

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Why people went in on us for saying that women

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 1>are female. Probably Yeah, this is that conversation that we

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:24.959
<v Speaker 1>had with Sam White where everyone was like, how can

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 1>y'all know know the difference? Which excuse me, So let

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 1>me break this down for a listeners, because you did

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 1>a great job. So sex is male or female, gender

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 1>is man or woman, and in sexuality is what you're

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 1>attracted is attraction? Okay, exactly. Good to know. Yeah, because

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 1>we clearly was like, nigga, female woman, what you're talking about? Like,

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm like what you're still call a female? We really

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't understand. Okay. So during puberty is when you realize

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:58.399
<v Speaker 1>you were identifying you want to identify with another gender.

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:01.720
<v Speaker 1>You didn't like that your voice was changed, Well, no,

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 1>look I'm looking at you like a man. I'm like

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 1>your voice was changing. No, you're a female. So you

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 1>ain't like that you started bleeding out your vagina basically,

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:11.359
<v Speaker 1>like I lightened none of that saying like pube was

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:13.119
<v Speaker 1>definitely a realization for me that came out a young

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:16.120
<v Speaker 1>came out twelve, um. So for me, I was still

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>at a point my central orientation was still women, that's

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the females um. But my gender did not align with

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:27.399
<v Speaker 1>my with my sex with what you were looking exactly

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:31.959
<v Speaker 1>the question like, uh so, and don't take this wrong way.

0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:33.879
<v Speaker 1>It's because it's why I wanted you want here so badly.

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I sent your picture to some friends, was like, I'm

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>so excited and they're like what, but no fucking way.

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I was curious to know have you always had that look?

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Had you always had you been in drogyn this because

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>like so a lot of people don't transition this like

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 1>you look like a straightening into me. I mean, I'll

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 1>just saying no offense. I told you I don't want

0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>to and people don't say things like but you look

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 1>like right and for yes, I have always looked this way.

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Um in terms of like facial hair and stuff like that. Yeah,

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>of course, like we're gonna get into that right now.

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>But you've always had no shape November okay, And so

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 1>daring back back to the puberty standpoint, so he started

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 1>getting teddies at this point where you hiding your breast?

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Were you hiding the parts that automatically come with with

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 1>being a woman. Yeah, And at this point I was

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 1>hiding that part of my identity, you know what I mean?

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 1>And and also because I've always looked this way and

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>presented this way. Females was automatically would automatically assume that

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I was a guy. Oh, they didn't question where I

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>was a girl because you had your hair cut, you

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 1>addressed at way I had. But then you know you're young, um,

0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 1>so you know, um, having a deep voice and and

0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and having facial hair wasn't the thing. I'm younger that stage.

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 1>You're like a little bit. So I'm imagining a little

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 1>bit right now because I was killed. I mean, and

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>you know they all say, you know, like little mama,

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 1>because it's like you fluctuate what did your family think?

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Because I feel like people the scariest thing to do

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 1>is come out to your friends and family like where

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 1>they support it. It took me a very long time

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 1>to come out to my to my family. To be honest,

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm my friends, like I like my mom. One thing

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 1>that I'm never gonna forget. My mom wishes I would,

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>but I can't get stuck with me because from a

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>very young age, you know, your mom buys your clothes.

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 1>You don't really get much of a choice. So I

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 1>don't know abou anyone else, but we don't have job.

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really get much of a choice, but my

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>mom would always kind of let me choose one or

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>two things, and I choose like attract suit kicks, the

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 1>baggage jeans or something, you know what I mean. And

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 1>I would wear that like all the time, and my

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>mom would be like, why are you wearing that? Where

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>something else? You know what I mean? And this is

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 1>this is like under the age of ten, you know

0:30:58.040 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. And I'll just be the an't going

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>out to play. I feel comfortable. And I was very

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 1>active like I was. I was. I participated in a

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of sports. Um, I was always out playing well guys,

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. So like in that sense,

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I was that was my excuse. Oh I'm going not

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:14.960
<v Speaker 1>to play football. I'm going not to play basketball, so

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>I can't be wearing you know, the type dresses and

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 1>the skirts, you know what I mean. But for a

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 1>long time, my mom used to say to me, like,

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, do you want me to get your sex change.

0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like you want me to you know, It's like

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 1>you got me working out here to say about all

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 1>my money to pay for a sex chafee. And at

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>that age, I didn't even know what that what that

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 1>man if I had, I would have went to my

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>mom and been like, yes, that's what I wanted, absolutely

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 1>pleased tomorrow. And so now you've hit here ready high school.

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 1>High school is where I feel like a lot of us,

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>um not only judging were now then yeah, we're going

0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>into adulthood and we're starting to have sex. Um we

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 1>were early like. But so transition into high school? Were

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>you picked on where you like? Did people understand where

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you were coming from? So? And also at this point

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 1>we were looking at pictures on your Instagram and I

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 1>made the reference again, shoot me if I'm wrong. He

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:20.479
<v Speaker 1>looked like a stud um and so we accept studs,

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I feel like with no problem. So is that how

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 1>you identified in high school and then transition past that?

0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Or explain that for us? So disclaimer to anyone that

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 1>might be listening. For a long period of time, I

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 1>lied to females, Oh oh, this is good, because we

0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 1>can't ask this question from the age of about fourteen

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 1>to at least sixty. And I would say I au

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 1>thirteen at because I was definitely about sixty. I was.

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, they would assume and I wouldn't correct them,

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? And and after some long

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 1>like thinking about my life and and how things panned

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 1>out and my transition thus far. I've got to the

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 1>realization that I feel like that part of me, that

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:10.479
<v Speaker 1>part of me that was that was lying to females

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 1>and and had this like this, this kind of that

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 1>point of deception. I would say, you know what I mean, like,

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that was me creating an alter ego

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 1>to allow me to be free to identify as who

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I knew I was. But I was start in the

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 1>social like in the social struggle of identifying with what

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 1>is socially normal? Do you know what I mean? And

0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 1>and so in saying that, I just want to put

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>out there, I don't for any young person that's listening,

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:40.480
<v Speaker 1>whether you identify as trans or where you trying to

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 1>find yourself, Um, I would never want you to do

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 1>that because the backlash that you see, like the the

0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 1>hardship that you see the female on the other end

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 1>go through. And we were just talking about that. So

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 1>he was just saying in a whole bunch of person

0:33:56.160 --> 0:34:01.520
<v Speaker 1>because well, you know, I was fingering still eating, but

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>at this point there wasn't there could have been a

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 1>right And so we talked about this on an episode

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 1>with um, James, which is one of these really close friends.

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 1>So James is super liberal, fuck you trans people don't

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 1>have to tell you ship blah blah blah. So Mandy

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:21.239
<v Speaker 1>and James got into it because He's like, they don't

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 1>owe you anything. They don't have to tell you about

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 1>their genitals. Mandy's like, but I still deserve that. So

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:30.600
<v Speaker 1>coming back and he said what he said about killing somebody,

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to know from you specifically, do you feel

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 1>like it needs to be discussed when it does? How

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:41.360
<v Speaker 1>soon it basically is it your writer? There's because you

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 1>also have the right to be private and that so

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:45.839
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of where our questions aren't like how soon

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 1>a first date, when they get your number, when they

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:49.839
<v Speaker 1>hauler at you. So I don't feel like I need

0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 1>to disclose to anyone upon me and the trends. I

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 1>don't feel like that to various reasons because I disagree,

0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:05.399
<v Speaker 1>but cool, we can get into that. But I don't

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 1>feel like, you know, at the end of the day,

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that's that's that's that's a part of me. And I

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:16.320
<v Speaker 1>feel as though there's various things, not just transition centered,

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 1>but there's various things in people's lives that they don't

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:21.239
<v Speaker 1>reveal upon meeting a person. Why, because where's this going?

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Do I know that it's going anywhere? Why am I

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>going to reveal the deep? Why am I going to

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>reveal some of the deepest parts of me that are

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 1>so sacred to me to you? And I don't even

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:32.880
<v Speaker 1>know where this is going this, this may not be

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>going anywhere. Why am I investing so much into you?

0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know how much you got invested in me.

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if I want to be that

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:41.320
<v Speaker 1>invested in you yet, you know what I mean? And

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like this notion, this forced notion that

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:48.880
<v Speaker 1>trans people have to declare it. No, they do not.

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.560
<v Speaker 1>They do not have to declare anything upon meeting someone,

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>upon a first date with someone. However, however, what I

0:35:57.000 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 1>will say is it is important to have these kinds

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 1>of discussions prior to intercourse. Oh, of course, that is

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 1>my standpoint on it. And I say that because, as

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:13.239
<v Speaker 1>I said, the hardship that you see females go through

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 1>after finding out maybe and this sense of you took

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 1>something from me, you know what I mean, which you

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:25.439
<v Speaker 1>took a part of me that perhaps I wasn't ready

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 1>to give you I didn't want to give you, and

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 1>it's it's that deception, you know what I mean. And

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's important before you you're intimate with

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 1>someone on that level, you give them the option to

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 1>say whether this is what they want, you know what

0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean. And a lot of transfolk might be listening

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>to me, and I feel like I'm not really rooting

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 1>for the team kind of thing because you know, at

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 1>the same time, there's a lot of trans folks and

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 1>we have to discuss. This's a lot of transpolks, predominantly

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 1>of color, that are being murdered, uh, pretty much every week.

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 1>And I'm glad that you really like your perspective because

0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 1>that was the one I had. I would want someone

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 1>to tell me before sex, but I don't feel like

0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 1>they owe me that. No, if I feel like I'm

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>going on a date with a man, I am. I mean,

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the only thing that I thinks, and it's just like

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 1>if you had. I hate comparing it to this, but

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 1>something to tell during sex is if you've got an

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 1>STD right, I don't need to know that when I

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 1>meet you or a dinner and we it's crazy because

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:22.800
<v Speaker 1>we had um Ella who has her pies and she

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:25.759
<v Speaker 1>came out openly and was like a couple of guys

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:27.839
<v Speaker 1>who she has met on the first time, She's like, hey,

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 1>I have herpes. I'm known as the Herpe's girl. You know.

0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Well she's got ted talks about it. She has ted

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 1>talks about it. Yeah, but that was something I think

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>that's different, like, oh, how's the calumari? Good? I got

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 1>down here? See, I don't know. To me, that's something

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:43.840
<v Speaker 1>that's private, like just about like just like living with HIV,

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 1>which part of being in the LGBT community. This this

0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 1>happens and I know about it. No, you don't need

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:51.239
<v Speaker 1>to tell someone when you meet them your status in

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 1>that way because you haven't sucked them yet and you

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:55.319
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you want to, and it's something that's

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>so revealing in private. I think that a lot more

0:37:57.239 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 1>people on the other shot side should be sensitive to that.

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 1>If you had a first day and see, to me,

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I'll sit here and break it down this way. I

0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 1>feel like the same way with with progress, we're learning

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 1>to be sensitive to you know, you your transition, how

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:16.959
<v Speaker 1>you identify. I feel like as a trans man trans woman,

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:21.319
<v Speaker 1>you also need to be sensitive to the heterosexuals who

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:25.480
<v Speaker 1>a are not fully comfortable with with what you're going through.

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.120
<v Speaker 1>They don't understand, they don't know how to respond to it.

0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 1>And with the hyper masculinity and men women are a

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 1>little different. I feel like it may be easier for you,

0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>but on the other end of the spectrum, men have

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 1>a different idea. We had an engineering here before, and

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>that was his very first question, like, um, when when

0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 1>when do they tell me that he was a nigga

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:51.880
<v Speaker 1>at one point? And this is again from a trans woman,

0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 1>but it's just like for straight people, I feel like

0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.040
<v Speaker 1>you need to have the respect and be just as

0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 1>sensitive to kind of letting them in. What would be

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 1>your ideal situation He just said when meeting somebody, which

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:07.320
<v Speaker 1>if you do date, we're sitting here someone's number in

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 1>the club, do you agree with that party? He doesn't

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 1>have to you can get getting someone's number, But I'm

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:16.600
<v Speaker 1>comfortable with at the end of date one, if we're

0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:20.600
<v Speaker 1>going on a second date, that means you're progressing to

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 1>me as a female like myna. We're not going on

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:24.800
<v Speaker 1>another day if I don't want to see you. And

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:26.719
<v Speaker 1>men kind of the same way, if they're not really

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 1>digging a female, they're not going to see them. You

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 1>need him to tell you that, Like at the end

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.160
<v Speaker 1>of the first day, if we sum or not the

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:35.640
<v Speaker 1>exact day before, if we're on the phone planning a

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 1>second day, to me, that's progress. To me, we're going

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:40.319
<v Speaker 1>in a direction to see each other more than once.

0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:43.680
<v Speaker 1>That's where I draw the line to where, Okay, I

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:46.799
<v Speaker 1>see us now moving forward one day. Okay, we're meeting

0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:48.520
<v Speaker 1>at the end of day one. If we plan to

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:51.800
<v Speaker 1>see each other again, that's when I feel like you

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:55.240
<v Speaker 1>should let me know because as a as a straight person,

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 1>well I'm not even straight, I like, but I'm talking

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:04.840
<v Speaker 1>from my straight people as someone who would be straight

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.560
<v Speaker 1>and may not go both ways or like both, you know,

0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's when you should let them know. Listen,

0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm this, I've transitioned to this. I'd like to see

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 1>you again. What was your What were you going to

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 1>say when you start? What she was saying that because

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.480
<v Speaker 1>you looked at and they looked like I was like, yeah,

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:20.440
<v Speaker 1>what do you not feel like the end of first day?

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that? I feel like it's I feel

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 1>like it's when that person's comfortable enough to tell you

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:30.720
<v Speaker 1>that's some bullshit. Yeah, I feel like that that person

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 1>should have the space and time too, and that's just

0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:39.759
<v Speaker 1>what if you were missing Wait, wait what? First of all,

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:41.640
<v Speaker 1>this is something that you're not going to find out

0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 1>until you see me naked. This is something that you're

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:46.399
<v Speaker 1>not going to know about me until and it's something

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:47.880
<v Speaker 1>that's like a part of the sexual being that you

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 1>could be attracted to or maybe not want to sleep me.

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:51.360
<v Speaker 1>For when would you tell somebody you were missing a titty?

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:59.120
<v Speaker 1>You're sick, you really are, because who picks this ship?

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Because I'm trying. I didn't think of saying, don't titty

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 1>what I'm gonna ask maybe on the first day as

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 1>a joke you a titty man like like, because if

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:12.160
<v Speaker 1>he's an ask man, he might not give a funk

0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:14.279
<v Speaker 1>about my one titty. So a trance should be like

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 1>but I wouldn't and maybe, but I know I wouldn't care,

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:20.759
<v Speaker 1>and I know you wouldn't know. I have never been

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:22.800
<v Speaker 1>attracted to studs because to me, they still have that

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 1>girly like do when they hate that I'm bisexual, Britney grindery.

0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 1>But if I've been someone fully transition and they told

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 1>me on the date three or four, I might be

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 1>like I mean, I know you're gonna strap up, So

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:34.720
<v Speaker 1>what do I here's fine with them strapping up because

0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:41.840
<v Speaker 1>you like both, you like what everybody. But my question

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:44.799
<v Speaker 1>what I'm gonna say, No, you gotta strap You sleep

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.640
<v Speaker 1>with men, you sleep with women. Yes, I am shocked

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 1>that you're telling me if someone you liked by date

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:53.839
<v Speaker 1>three like, that's me. However, I'm saying this because your

0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 1>friends with a lot of members of the LGBT could community.

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 1>You you're your that's what your friends are. I'm friends

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:06.360
<v Speaker 1>with a lot of people who aren't. Okay, you know,

0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm friends with a lot of black people. Okay, I'm

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:13.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm friends with niggas, and my friends a lot of

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 1>them don't swing both ways. A lot of them would

0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:17.000
<v Speaker 1>never peg their man. A lot of men that I'm

0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:19.400
<v Speaker 1>around are like good good ship from me. So they

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 1>are the little duvalls. Those are a lot of my friends.

0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>So when I'm speaking, I'm speaking for them. Um of

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:28.320
<v Speaker 1>course I like men and women, and I identify as bisexual.

0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 1>But I'm speaking from them because I'm talking about you, right,

0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:34.719
<v Speaker 1>But I'm speaking both of us. Can't speak up for them.

0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:36.839
<v Speaker 1>I want to speak up for my friends. That when

0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 1>I have these conversations with them. They say the ship

0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 1>like Little Duvall said, if I was on a date

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:45.360
<v Speaker 1>and the female with a nigga and that ship like that,

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:47.879
<v Speaker 1>those are my type of friends. So that's why when

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I come to you and I ask these questions and

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:52.320
<v Speaker 1>I say after date one, I'm speaking for for a

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:54.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of people who aren't comfortable with this Conversation's been

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:57.600
<v Speaker 1>on dates with guys that I've asked if it's ever

0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.719
<v Speaker 1>happened to the Montendo and you man, I've been out

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:02.520
<v Speaker 1>with Google guy who I went to sex club with.

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:04.320
<v Speaker 1>He was like, I went on a date. Towards the

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, she told me and he said

0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the only kind of clue he had was that she

0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 1>was like five eleven, which but he said it was

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 1>still it's New York everywhere. Um, And I said, how

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:17.320
<v Speaker 1>did you take it? And he was like, honestly, I

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:20.440
<v Speaker 1>said he was like a part of me instantly got

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 1>mad that I didn't know before, But then I thought

0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:26.640
<v Speaker 1>why she couldn't tell me. Then he's like, what the

0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:28.040
<v Speaker 1>fun is she gonna do? Just be like, oh, by

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:29.840
<v Speaker 1>the way, on the ray that like He's like, she

0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I thought she did it in the right time. Okay,

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 1>so that's cool, and you leave somebody that choice. Not

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:38.239
<v Speaker 1>has any woman ever told you know after you've came

0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:42.399
<v Speaker 1>out to them, that's a good question. No, damn your

0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:46.359
<v Speaker 1>tongue game was No. No, I don't even think. It's

0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 1>not about the tongue games. So you're very very You're

0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:55.560
<v Speaker 1>a handsome man, um, And so I want to get

0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:58.799
<v Speaker 1>into that because Okay, you're saying that no one's ever

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.200
<v Speaker 1>turned you down for being a woman. But but listen

0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:03.680
<v Speaker 1>to this, so in terms of me, in terms of me,

0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:06.279
<v Speaker 1>so I've only heard um, three serious relationships in through

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:09.279
<v Speaker 1>my marriage today. Okay, prior to that, I've been with

0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:14.839
<v Speaker 1>with females who perhaps I didn't tell them straight up, um,

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:18.799
<v Speaker 1>and there was how did you get around that? Lights off?

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:25.839
<v Speaker 1>You know? I had a real good no. But people

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 1>saying that that like, what does that mean? That funny?

0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Though ain't funny? Definitely worn. So I was, I was,

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:38.320
<v Speaker 1>I was, I was dating, I was young, I was sixteen,

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I was dating a female and she didn't know. I

0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>used to give her nine months in total, whoa hold up?

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Wait for him? About three months in she found out?

0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:50.319
<v Speaker 1>How did she find out? Well, there was other people.

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:52.800
<v Speaker 1>There was people in the area that knew me obviously

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:55.320
<v Speaker 1>went to school. Me and word go out and you

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:57.440
<v Speaker 1>know how it goes. Word is the fastest way to

0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:02.239
<v Speaker 1>spread news. So she questioning me, and I was like, no, no, no, no, no,

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:04.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you're talking about. The chain shit,

0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:08.160
<v Speaker 1>let me phone the phone. You know, when you get aggy,

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 1>make it seem ready, niggas line, you had a down pat.

0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 1>So she's like a cool babe. So we had never

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:17.040
<v Speaker 1>done this oral thing, right remember six D mean she

0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:18.640
<v Speaker 1>ain't never gone down to me. I ain't never gone

0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:21.200
<v Speaker 1>down to her. So cool, it's so good. And then

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.359
<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere, like she was like, let me give

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:27.520
<v Speaker 1>you a head. So I'm spitting bars and I'm like,

0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 1>my my wife, my wife, man, you don't need to

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 1>do all of that. You get me. I got respected,

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 1>you know that ship two twos. We went out one night,

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:41.239
<v Speaker 1>I got drunk, went back to a grand's house. I

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 1>hope she ain listening, just too yeah, like taco Tuesday.

0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 1>No No, I thought like a transition word like like

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 1>to like I don't even know how to translate that

0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 1>out here, like two twos like and the next thing next, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I was turning Tuesday. It's Wednesday anyway, Okay. So we

0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:11.880
<v Speaker 1>went back to her grand's house and and we're chilling

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:13.960
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and she's like, I want to keep your head.

0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:16.439
<v Speaker 1>And obviously back then, because I knew that was because

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 1>I was with her and she didn't know. I was

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 1>always strapped, like I never I would never go out

0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:23.840
<v Speaker 1>in public and not have my strap on because I

0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:26.320
<v Speaker 1>was prepared, like ship might get right here, you know

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:29.160
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, I'm gonna be ready. So she was like,

0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:30.960
<v Speaker 1>let me stuck at dick and I was yack. So

0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know what, Oh god, fucking turn

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:38.759
<v Speaker 1>off the lights. She was sing plastic she's doing that thing. No,

0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:43.320
<v Speaker 1>obviously I'm not at me all the noise effects. I'm like,

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:45.640
<v Speaker 1>a cool must be about time to bust night at me.

0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:48.680
<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, yeah, I done my thing. She got out.

0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:50.279
<v Speaker 1>She was like, she telling like she do you think

0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:54.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm a fucking dickhead? You know? When the alcohol just

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:57.520
<v Speaker 1>just left my system? I was like, I was like what.

0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:00.120
<v Speaker 1>She was like, do you think I don't know? Do

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:01.440
<v Speaker 1>you think I haven't known? Do you think I ever?

0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:03.800
<v Speaker 1>So like a fucking dick I was like, oh shit,

0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 1>wake up, found quick, wake up, get with it. She

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:09.880
<v Speaker 1>knew the whole time. She she was basically saying that

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:11.840
<v Speaker 1>she had known for a minute and she wanted to

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.960
<v Speaker 1>just and she wanted to rock with me. Her her

0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:19.600
<v Speaker 1>explanation was, my sex was good. Oh so she was

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:22.120
<v Speaker 1>with it. But for me, it was kind of like,

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:25.120
<v Speaker 1>how do we progress from here? You know what I mean?

0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:28.160
<v Speaker 1>And and she was the first female that even though

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:30.759
<v Speaker 1>she we stayed together after that point, were together nine

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:33.480
<v Speaker 1>months in total, and she she found out, well she

0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:37.359
<v Speaker 1>let me know she knew at the three months mark roughly. Um,

0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:39.360
<v Speaker 1>but even up to today, she's kind of like, she

0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 1>feels like I betrayed her, you know what I mean?

0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:45.040
<v Speaker 1>And I made her question her sexuality up until now.

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:46.879
<v Speaker 1>And that's crazy because that was gonna be my next

0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:49.839
<v Speaker 1>question to you. You've been in three serious relationships, one

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:54.360
<v Speaker 1>being your wife. Now do they identify as lesbians like

0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 1>my wife or as in the women that you dealt with,

0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:01.839
<v Speaker 1>because even though you identify as a male, you still

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:05.480
<v Speaker 1>have female parts. So do they do do they like

0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:07.719
<v Speaker 1>women or do they like like how do the people

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 1>that you deal with identify? So the two previous partners

0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I have been with they one of them doesn't identify

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:18.000
<v Speaker 1>as lesbian. UM. In fact, she she we had been

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.759
<v Speaker 1>friends for three years prior to again together and UM,

0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:23.359
<v Speaker 1>and she was basically like it was me. She felt

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:25.560
<v Speaker 1>for me as a as a person. I wasn't about

0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:28.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, male or female, man or woman. It was

0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:30.799
<v Speaker 1>the fact that she she was attracted to me as

0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:33.040
<v Speaker 1>a person, and we went from there. But then when

0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 1>it came down to me telling her that I was,

0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't happy and content as as a female. You know,

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:41.120
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of when things started going left. She wasn't

0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:44.960
<v Speaker 1>really down for this, for being with a trance, although

0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:47.960
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't really down for also letting her friends and

0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:50.840
<v Speaker 1>family too much know that UM she was also with

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:53.879
<v Speaker 1>Because at that moment time I was identifying as a start,

0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:56.800
<v Speaker 1>I was in the social circle and not so I was.

0:48:57.000 --> 0:48:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to label myself as what society accepted

0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 1>exactly what I said at that time, because I was

0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:07.080
<v Speaker 1>eighteen at that point. So you know, we're still to

0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:09.520
<v Speaker 1>more a few years ago when you know, progression wasn't

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:12.800
<v Speaker 1>quite a way it was not um so uh and

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:16.320
<v Speaker 1>then the female before after that storry, UM, I was

0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:18.560
<v Speaker 1>here for four years, and she did identify as a

0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:21.200
<v Speaker 1>lesbian and again the same thing. But but you know,

0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:22.920
<v Speaker 1>when it came down to using pronouns and stuff, she

0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 1>was good with that because I pretty much told her

0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:26.800
<v Speaker 1>from the off, But at the same time, when it

0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:28.759
<v Speaker 1>came when when she hit the fan and it was

0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:31.239
<v Speaker 1>really time for me to start transition, and she wasn't

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:36.359
<v Speaker 1>really down with it. She couldn't really understandish. That's interesting, yeah,

0:49:36.600 --> 0:49:40.600
<v Speaker 1>because she's like, no, for you, I'm curious because I

0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:44.120
<v Speaker 1>haven't had a friend that was a transmail and he

0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:48.680
<v Speaker 1>talked about not enjoying women wanting to like his pussy.

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:50.760
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I don't like that. I don't like people

0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:54.560
<v Speaker 1>talking to me like that. Like so for her to say, lesbian,

0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:56.800
<v Speaker 1>did you not enjoy because that's the part that she

0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:58.560
<v Speaker 1>liked about it seems especially if she didn't like that

0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:02.080
<v Speaker 1>you were transitioning, so because they're not more girl on there,

0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:06.960
<v Speaker 1>so I can understand how she was attracted to it,

0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Like that's it's almost gone. So in terms of like

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:14.120
<v Speaker 1>how she identified, um, that was a problem for me

0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:18.719
<v Speaker 1>because her her identifying as a lesbian of course right

0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:23.320
<v Speaker 1>meant that she was with a woman and that wasn't me.

0:50:24.400 --> 0:50:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I was. I felt trapped in the in the body

0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:29.200
<v Speaker 1>that I had. UM. I felt like nature did this

0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:32.080
<v Speaker 1>justice to me. Um And I wasn't comfortable with that

0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:35.520
<v Speaker 1>at all. Um. And in terms of like sexual like

0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:40.120
<v Speaker 1>sexual interaction and stuff, there was like back then as

0:50:40.160 --> 0:50:41.719
<v Speaker 1>a stud I guess I would be classes are touched

0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:46.719
<v Speaker 1>me not Um. Yes, in terms of like you know,

0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I can strap up, I can do all that, but

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:50.320
<v Speaker 1>you ain't gonna touch me. There's there's none of that

0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 1>rabbit playing. I mean, there's none of that dildos and

0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:55.680
<v Speaker 1>all that kind of study ain't gonna be doing all

0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:56.960
<v Speaker 1>of that on me. And I'm saying so I was

0:50:57.000 --> 0:50:58.560
<v Speaker 1>very much so I touched me not. I have a

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:01.720
<v Speaker 1>question about that. So how do you you get pleasure?

0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Because I've worn a strap on before and I meant

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I might get wet, but it doesn't make me come.

0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:12.360
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't really please me more as it does you know, mentally,

0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:14.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm stimulated, but it doesn't really please me. So if

0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:16.640
<v Speaker 1>you're a touch me not or you're you know, how

0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:20.239
<v Speaker 1>do you become how do you get pleasured? You just don't?

0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:23.560
<v Speaker 1>That is that is my pleasure, that's your pleasure. Yeah,

0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a misinception for a lot of people. Yeah,

0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 1>we don't because we get in another way exactly. I mean,

0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I really like penetration. Okay, they don't need to be tops, don't.

0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean we take it like game and like tops

0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:39.960
<v Speaker 1>don't need it. Yeah, but but tops feel the pleasure

0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:42.600
<v Speaker 1>of going in a pussy. When you have a strap on,

0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:46.240
<v Speaker 1>you don't feel the pleasure of going inside of the pussy,

0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:50.680
<v Speaker 1>but you get the mental stimulation. And I guess in

0:51:50.800 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that sense that's what gives you that that stimulation in

0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:57.040
<v Speaker 1>other ways, you know what I mean, Like from time.

0:51:57.320 --> 0:51:59.440
<v Speaker 1>For me, it's like a lot of people say, oh,

0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:05.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm aroused by the intelligence of another being, right,

0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Like a lot of people are like that. They're like um,

0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:12.919
<v Speaker 1>saipo sexual sexual um. And that is how they're They're

0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:16.040
<v Speaker 1>turned on by by feeding on for someone else's knowledge

0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:19.560
<v Speaker 1>a mind, right, And a lot of people find that weird,

0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:22.800
<v Speaker 1>But that's that's a mental thing. It's a mental stimulation

0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:25.640
<v Speaker 1>which stimulates them in other ways. Um. And for me

0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:29.080
<v Speaker 1>it's very much so. Because I do not identify as

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:33.560
<v Speaker 1>a female. I don't want any association to that. So

0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:37.480
<v Speaker 1>for me, like penetrating my my wife or you know,

0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:39.840
<v Speaker 1>back in the day, penetrating any woman with with my

0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:42.359
<v Speaker 1>strap was enough for me and it still is enough

0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:45.560
<v Speaker 1>for me. Okay, And so I want to talk now

0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:49.000
<v Speaker 1>briefly because we're running out of time, unfortunately, I know,

0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:52.040
<v Speaker 1>but I do want to ask you now, um as

0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:55.520
<v Speaker 1>an adult the transition. I'm not like my nigger. You

0:52:55.640 --> 0:52:58.880
<v Speaker 1>look like a straight man. Um. So I want to

0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 1>talk about like you facial hair, your voice is rather deep. Um.

0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:03.759
<v Speaker 1>I know my mama got a deep voice, but not

0:53:03.920 --> 0:53:07.920
<v Speaker 1>like this. Um. So, what what is it like to transition?

0:53:08.000 --> 0:53:09.759
<v Speaker 1>What have you gone through? What? What? What do you

0:53:09.840 --> 0:53:12.520
<v Speaker 1>have to take people you know that don't understand how

0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:14.120
<v Speaker 1>this works? I would love for you to break you

0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Like I think you're you're like the epitome of that's

0:53:19.520 --> 0:53:22.680
<v Speaker 1>ready to transition. Like so yeah, like the beard, you have,

0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the voice. What have you had to do to undergo

0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:30.040
<v Speaker 1>this transition physically? So? Um, in terms of the physical journey,

0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:34.120
<v Speaker 1>the the you know in this thus far at um

0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:38.360
<v Speaker 1>in terms of like facial features and well, not so

0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:40.680
<v Speaker 1>much facial feature because my face hasn't really changed, No,

0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean like in that sense. By in terms of

0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:45.720
<v Speaker 1>like um, growing hair and voice deepen in or dropping

0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:49.560
<v Speaker 1>um and weight shift because these these are because you

0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:53.719
<v Speaker 1>have muscles, right, your arms look really like a real

0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:58.000
<v Speaker 1>much like you've always been. To be honest, like before

0:53:58.040 --> 0:54:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I transition, like when I when I started my journey,

0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna ask you a question first, all right, So

0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:05.719
<v Speaker 1>it starts. It goes like you have to go and

0:54:05.760 --> 0:54:09.839
<v Speaker 1>see a therapist first or psychologist first, UM. And then

0:54:09.920 --> 0:54:12.239
<v Speaker 1>once you do that, they this is in England at least,

0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:14.759
<v Speaker 1>and then they will refer you to something called the

0:54:14.840 --> 0:54:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Gender Identity Clinic. Once they referred you to the gender

0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:20.120
<v Speaker 1>gender Identity you don't have to see another psychologist in

0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:23.239
<v Speaker 1>in that center. Once you've done that, then they will

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:26.480
<v Speaker 1>assess whether you're ready to start your hormone therapy. Hormo

0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:32.440
<v Speaker 1>therapy UM as in physically is UM something called testosterone.

0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:34.479
<v Speaker 1>We are aware of it. And then for the trans

0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:36.760
<v Speaker 1>women they're taking a strangers, they will take a students pills.

0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:38.360
<v Speaker 1>I believe, but I can't speak to you heavily on

0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:42.880
<v Speaker 1>that just because I'm for transman. You take yes, it

0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:45.200
<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily have to be shot straight away. It might

0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:48.640
<v Speaker 1>be a jail for a pill. No, there's no pill

0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:52.040
<v Speaker 1>for testos. It might be a jail you rub it,

0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:54.000
<v Speaker 1>so you rub it in certain places on the body

0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:57.440
<v Speaker 1>and that that seeps into the into the bloodstream, um,

0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the same way those packets, but it's not they're not

0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:04.520
<v Speaker 1>as effective. Um, but they're not as the shots because

0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:07.240
<v Speaker 1>the shots, uh enter your muscle, and obviously a muscle

0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:09.960
<v Speaker 1>is a quick, fastest way to get through the body. Um.

0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Do they have to do you have to do this

0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:15.040
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of your life? Yes, okay, okay, of

0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:17.640
<v Speaker 1>course it's it's you know, um, I don't know if

0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:19.560
<v Speaker 1>it was ten. No, it is for the rest of

0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:22.080
<v Speaker 1>your life. However, you know, Um, there's certain things that

0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:25.680
<v Speaker 1>are irreversible. Right, so in terms of like my voice hair, um,

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:30.080
<v Speaker 1>weightshift isn't irreversible. But but there's certain things that are irreversible.

0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:33.600
<v Speaker 1>So they could get for me or anyone, they could

0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:35.160
<v Speaker 1>get to a point in their life where they're like, Okay,

0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I've seen as much physical changes as I could possibly get.

0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:41.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to stop here. But if they haven't had

0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:43.759
<v Speaker 1>a hysterect to me yet, they're obviously going to have

0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:48.080
<v Speaker 1>periods after right, right, that's w Yeah, that's so anyone

0:55:48.320 --> 0:55:53.799
<v Speaker 1>any trans mail probably wouldn't stop taking testosterone unless they

0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:56.399
<v Speaker 1>had a hystereict to me, so the testosterone doesn't stop

0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the period, but the hystorrect me does. No testosterone doest

0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:02.680
<v Speaker 1>which maybe I need to if you if you stop

0:56:02.840 --> 0:56:05.279
<v Speaker 1>taking the testosterone and you haven't had a history to me,

0:56:05.520 --> 0:56:07.600
<v Speaker 1>then you all go to have period. Have you had

0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:11.360
<v Speaker 1>a v sectomy? Okay? But to me is just for

0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:18.040
<v Speaker 1>me is okay? I'm sorry? Sorry? Sorry, yes, I mean,

0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:20.319
<v Speaker 1>uh am I wrong? Is that not what it is? Okay?

0:56:20.600 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 1>So what historrect to me is your warm removed. Must

0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:29.680
<v Speaker 1>sect to me is getting your breast removed, and thus

0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:33.279
<v Speaker 1>sect to me is getting your balls removed. Correct. V

0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Sectomy is balls, right, preach? Yeah, but what sectomy is

0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:40.399
<v Speaker 1>when you eliminate your ball so that you can't get

0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:46.640
<v Speaker 1>that's cutting out they ain't go. No, that have drained

0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:49.160
<v Speaker 1>them that they can't get in a pregnant Yeah. Oh wait,

0:56:49.160 --> 0:56:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm thinking of neutering when you neuter an animals.

0:56:56.040 --> 0:57:00.200
<v Speaker 1>But sectmy is just draining of the sperm, cut the cords, sorry,

0:57:02.239 --> 0:57:04.480
<v Speaker 1>and then must activy is cutting out the tissue. So

0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:06.400
<v Speaker 1>have you cut out the tissue of your breath? But

0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:11.719
<v Speaker 1>we to surgery in the community. But yet Okay, okay, wow,

0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:14.120
<v Speaker 1>this is a lot of information. She's just really happy

0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:16.640
<v Speaker 1>because you don't understand, like me and Mandy have actually

0:57:16.720 --> 0:57:19.200
<v Speaker 1>argued on air. My word did you say? I think

0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:22.360
<v Speaker 1>I said training or trailing or trams. So let's talk

0:57:23.000 --> 0:57:26.080
<v Speaker 1>real quick before we go. I want to talk about, Yeah,

0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:28.960
<v Speaker 1>what are the slurs or things that are offensive to

0:57:29.200 --> 0:57:34.200
<v Speaker 1>the trans community? Now, she said on our horrible decisions.

0:57:34.400 --> 0:57:36.920
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not calling you out. I'm taking serious. My

0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:39.080
<v Speaker 1>friends call me. It was like, listen, I need to

0:57:39.120 --> 0:57:40.760
<v Speaker 1>talk to you before you guys do this because Mandy

0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:42.040
<v Speaker 1>just went on and said, we're going to have a

0:57:42.120 --> 0:57:46.440
<v Speaker 1>transgender on Is that not a to me? This is

0:57:46.520 --> 0:57:48.640
<v Speaker 1>my argument. I said, if we were going to have

0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:54.360
<v Speaker 1>a female on a mail on, a escort on, goddamn,

0:57:54.440 --> 0:57:57.200
<v Speaker 1>everything would be a So I don't know how else

0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:00.280
<v Speaker 1>I would have said that. I guess because trained to think,

0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:05.280
<v Speaker 1>because I didn't say trans man like, so explain to

0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:07.440
<v Speaker 1>us what what is offensive and what is not. So

0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's certain things that are definitely perception based, right,

0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:15.120
<v Speaker 1>and for you to say, sorry, what was it you said?

0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Tans we're having a transgender on the show. If you

0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 1>have any questions in regard to this police sentiment pretty

0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:25.320
<v Speaker 1>much so I don't. I don't know. There's a lot

0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:28.600
<v Speaker 1>of people that probably would say that's derogatory. Um. I

0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:31.840
<v Speaker 1>feel like for someone that probably hasn't been made aware

0:58:32.000 --> 0:58:34.800
<v Speaker 1>of some of the slurs, I guess I wouldn't take

0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:38.120
<v Speaker 1>defense to that. Perhaps some folks would, And as I said,

0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:40.800
<v Speaker 1>that's perception, right, that's certain things that people are susceptible

0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:42.960
<v Speaker 1>to and a certain things that people aren't. For me personally,

0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't. I personally wouldn't take defense to that. If

0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:49.040
<v Speaker 1>you said tranny, which you know certain of my cast

0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:51.320
<v Speaker 1>members have said, I had to holder at them like

0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:53.800
<v Speaker 1>and be like, yo, you gotta take off your off

0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:55.520
<v Speaker 1>your Instagram and all that kind of stuff, because that's

0:58:55.520 --> 0:58:59.520
<v Speaker 1>throwing like okay, so training and trainese derrovaty term. It's

0:58:59.600 --> 0:59:01.960
<v Speaker 1>like you know what I'm saying, it's it's it's just

0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:05.160
<v Speaker 1>on the minds everything that we've we were going through,

0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:08.160
<v Speaker 1>we've been through like now the better word I wanted

0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:10.920
<v Speaker 1>to ask because it's it's a real men men love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Every when I went to Amsterdam, we got red light

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<v Speaker 1>blue lights they were saying tea girls and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of especially I don't know if I'm saying away, but

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<v Speaker 1>two girls like told me that they have enjoyed like

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<v Speaker 1>I love having a dick like and you know, having

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<v Speaker 1>tips and you know something they enjoy about their body

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't want to change it. Is ta girl

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<v Speaker 1>an okay thing to say? Or what is the proper

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<v Speaker 1>thing to say? Um? From what I'm I can't speak

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<v Speaker 1>too much from that. I don't really like to give

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<v Speaker 1>out false information in terms of like what like. I

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<v Speaker 1>like to speak on what I'm aware of rather than

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<v Speaker 1>gisson because I don't want to be the person that

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<v Speaker 1>um somewhat represents the community and doesn't even know understand

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<v Speaker 1>right And you know, you're you're all gonna be comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>different things. The person that heard it thought a transgender

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't good enough. You are understanding enough to say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well she doesn't know right, and and that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what I said. And I just like, even to me, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know the whole I had a conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>my friend about the the stud the dyke, the things

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<v Speaker 1>that we can say stud but we can't say dyke.

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<v Speaker 1>We could say transgender, but we can't say training. We

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<v Speaker 1>can and it's just like, I don't know all this

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<v Speaker 1>guy damned politically correct now like um, in the UK

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<v Speaker 1>people use that word, and is it I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 1>The only time that's used this towards white women, really

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<v Speaker 1>it's not. It's not used in the black in the

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<v Speaker 1>black LGBTQ community because we say stud I mean, but

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<v Speaker 1>here I heard. I couldn't get it off. Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's just I guess it's how people

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<v Speaker 1>receive it as to if it's going to be offensive

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<v Speaker 1>or not, except for the word of course, training. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess that's good for our listeners to know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I haven't heard that word, and I'm like, okay it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm somebody go off of me about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a lot of learning to do myself, because,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, I feel like I said off air,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't identify with with I didn't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>put in yet another books. I didn't. I didn't for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time. I didn't want to identify as a

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<v Speaker 1>transmil right. And we talk about labels here. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>felt guilty when you were saying it because I want

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<v Speaker 1>you on so badly because I want people to get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I want people to understand it. And most of our

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<v Speaker 1>listeners are male, which is why this is very important

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<v Speaker 1>to me, because I feel like women are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, oh yeah, I understand it, but men don't,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just want them to. But it's also you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you just said to me like, I don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>tell someone I identify as a black straight male. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need a black straight man I don't know. But

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<v Speaker 1>not only that, but then I do feel the guilt

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<v Speaker 1>of asking you to do it because it makes you

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<v Speaker 1>open this thing up. But not only that, I think

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<v Speaker 1>even for our female listeners, they can literally sit here

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<v Speaker 1>and think if I was put in this position, how

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<v Speaker 1>would I respond? Um? And I think that's even good

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<v Speaker 1>with how we talked about where you feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>should announce um your gender identity as far as dating UM.

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<v Speaker 1>So for different women, like for me, it might not

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<v Speaker 1>bother me. I like pussy, I do strap on. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all cool. But for the listeners who maybe identify as

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<v Speaker 1>straight straight straight straight straight, just for them to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to listen to this episode and think, how would

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<v Speaker 1>I respond if I was put into this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>into a day where where it's true, it's private, sacred.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the day, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things in life that we are not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to understand. Right, that's just impossible, And I get that.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, like there's this common denominat

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<v Speaker 1>I believe between all humans which kind of um allows

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<v Speaker 1>us to to feel able and liberate and expressing ourselves,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just room for respect. And and at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, you're not understanding your person's decisions

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<v Speaker 1>or choices in life, is okay as long as you

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<v Speaker 1>can still respect that person for living their authentic life

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<v Speaker 1>and and and being the authentic self. UM. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like any trans person or person that identifies as

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<v Speaker 1>trans is anyone anything in terms of an explanation as

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<v Speaker 1>to why they're transitioning. Um, But I do feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it is important to have these kinds of conversations because

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<v Speaker 1>people that have identified as transgender, non binary, queer, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a new wave. It's not this new thing that's

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<v Speaker 1>just happening like, oh my god tomorrow. It's not it's

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<v Speaker 1>all bullshit. Like my grandfather was trans. I was born

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<v Speaker 1>in San France, a lot of people don't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom she passed. But yeah, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>In San Francisco gay and LGBT community is so open

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, maybe that's why I'm so used to it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean I knew that in history. It's documented

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<v Speaker 1>in ancient history, kings and queens in Egypt identified as

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<v Speaker 1>trans and non binary, you know what I'm saying. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I mean. This is not new. It's just that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we're talking about it. We're more some

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<v Speaker 1>of us are more open with with education in others.

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<v Speaker 1>Um and there is more resources available to educate others.

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<v Speaker 1>Um And I feel like media and technology plays a

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<v Speaker 1>big part in that and bringing that to the forefront. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's needless to say that, Like this isn't something new,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Like people are like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, the world's gonna end all these transgender people

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<v Speaker 1>pack out what they wanted. That's too much. Yea and

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<v Speaker 1>n that's a great headline the other day that said

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<v Speaker 1>where are these imaginary rapists coming from? That people keep saying,

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<v Speaker 1>there's always I don't like what because the bathroom argument

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<v Speaker 1>is that somebody's going to go in there and rape

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<v Speaker 1>and rape you. Yeah, it's just like if someone wants

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<v Speaker 1>to go in the bathroom emery are in fact, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's it's that that's really really stupid because at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, you've got, as I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I brought up briefly, there are transgender folks being murdered weekly.

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<v Speaker 1>We are. There's twenty five today that have been murdered

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<v Speaker 1>this year alone, predominantly of color and predominantly trans women.

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<v Speaker 1>And if we're not going to create safe spaces, what

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing is basically accepting the fact that these women

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<v Speaker 1>and men that identify as trands are being murdered. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's okay. We ask you before we go. I watched

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<v Speaker 1>Boys Don't Cry. Oh my mom made me watch that

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<v Speaker 1>from a young age. She did my mom, You know what,

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<v Speaker 1>Me and mamma were good friends. Now like like she's

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<v Speaker 1>not my best friend. She wants you to watch it

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<v Speaker 1>for you to feel better, or she wanted for me

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<v Speaker 1>to be scared. Do you remember Boys Don't Cry? We're

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<v Speaker 1>on a writer or no um where she was I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what No No from the Hands and Stranger thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It is an amazing movie, but basically she's living as

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<v Speaker 1>a man. I haven't seen it in some years. But

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<v Speaker 1>gets a girlfriend. The girl's cool with it, she felt

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<v Speaker 1>it new, didn't give a fuck. Um, but she hung

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<v Speaker 1>out with some guys. Huh. That was Hillary splaining that

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<v Speaker 1>more no a right, all right, Oh I movies, Well

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<v Speaker 1>you incorrectly ship. I didn't know I from that movie. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I just watched Stranger Thing. It was probably my se

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<v Speaker 1>no no, but anyway, she was hanging out with some

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<v Speaker 1>men and when they found out, I don't remember if

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<v Speaker 1>they beat her up and raped her and killed him. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a scary as place to be, but it

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<v Speaker 1>taught you so much. And I remember watching it with

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<v Speaker 1>my mom and she was like, if you ever have

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<v Speaker 1>friends that are scared to come out and blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 1>you should make sure they have someone to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>and be safe. I wish my mom did. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>my mom did it as a scared tactic. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that she saw that I was, you know, constantly. For her,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, oh, I'm constantly wearing boys clothes or

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<v Speaker 1>masculine clothes. And for her it's just like and and

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<v Speaker 1>And It's funny because fast forward a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll come back to the first forward a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>um when I was in my teens and I was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, dating females and they didn't know, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they found out. My mom too found out. And when

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<v Speaker 1>my mom found out, she was like, say, these little

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<v Speaker 1>girls brothers and cousins, and dad wants to come and

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<v Speaker 1>do what what happened? And boys don't cry? And she

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<v Speaker 1>was very fearful of my s. She was, she was,

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<v Speaker 1>she she still was scared. Watched and I'm a grown

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<v Speaker 1>man now and I can you know, I mean, I'm good,

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<v Speaker 1>but in terms of like I don't fear yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>my mom was really like after I watched, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she she sent me a voice, no, I

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<v Speaker 1>I should play, and she's like, let me see a please.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be I would love to know that, because

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<v Speaker 1>just looking at you, I wonder if your mom is like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, he is so handsome and he's got

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<v Speaker 1>he's kind of me and MO. Mom didn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>good relationship up. It was strange, said, we do know

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't growing up, We didn't have a good good

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<v Speaker 1>relationship because I was trying to find myself. She was

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<v Speaker 1>obviously hoping that she would have a relationship with her daughter. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and that never came, you know, I mean that never

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<v Speaker 1>came to fruition. And for a long time we we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a good relationship. And I remember when when

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she started coming to me, coming with me

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<v Speaker 1>to appointments and starting to learn about, you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>it is that I'm going through. Um. She was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just hope that I have a better relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>my son than I did with my door, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, Yeah, that's exactly what I needed

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<v Speaker 1>to hear kind of thing. That's exactly what I want,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And that's exactly what we have.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a great relationship. And it's like finding myself

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<v Speaker 1>was the first step to me loving myself, and prior

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<v Speaker 1>to that, I didn't love myself. And in turn, it

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<v Speaker 1>meant that my relationships with everyone and anyone around me

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<v Speaker 1>was strained due to that. I'm scrolling through my phone

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find um this um she she sent me

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<v Speaker 1>so many. I said, well, we're gonna end with your

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<v Speaker 1>voice note. If we can't, can you go ahead and

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<v Speaker 1>let our listeners know where they can find you? Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>I think did you find it? Listeners? You can find

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<v Speaker 1>me on Instagram at Rush London, Twitter at Rush London.

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't gonna give out my Snapchat, but don't hurt

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<v Speaker 1>your information. Um in the link of this episode. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you want to see more of Rush, he

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<v Speaker 1>is on d b K chat episodes on YouTube. You've

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<v Speaker 1>seen Jelissa and Flee who we had on. Um. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just so grateful that he came and he is just

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<v Speaker 1>as hot as he looks in pictures. I already stuck

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<v Speaker 1>a little video because I don't know what I'm gonna do.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at that myself later. Sorry, Russia's wife. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is what my mom said because she's still

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<v Speaker 1>very much so fearful for my safety. Okay, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear this. It's quite hold it up to

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<v Speaker 1>the mike. I don't even know, like making new friends,

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<v Speaker 1>meeting new people, just nine you know who who you really?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you know me? You know, stuff like that. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>In other ways, what she would saying in is after

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<v Speaker 1>being on backchat, she's sure that a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be reaching out. It sounds very supportive.

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<v Speaker 1>It still doesn't know how to word it exactly. You

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<v Speaker 1>could definitely hear the kind of caution. Yeah, but my mom,

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<v Speaker 1>she is cautious because what she's trying to say is

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<v Speaker 1>basically just be aware of like who's reaching out to

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<v Speaker 1>you in terms of one wanting to befriend you because

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<v Speaker 1>of the ship like that. Again, a lot of trans

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<v Speaker 1>folks are murdered. Yeah, she's quite fearful of the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that being in the States where you know, coming out here,

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<v Speaker 1>she's quite fearful of who who may seem as though

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<v Speaker 1>they have good, good intentions about going to meet them,

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<v Speaker 1>that may not be the case. Thank you well, Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you mom, and thank you so much Rush for coming

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<v Speaker 1>to You were an amazing guest and I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>our listeners on this episode umption they hated us last one,

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<v Speaker 1>but thank you again so much for coming on. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>put all of your social media links in the link

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<v Speaker 1>of this bio. We will also post you on our

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<v Speaker 1>Horrible Decisions page and for you guys listening, you guys

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<v Speaker 1>can continue to follow us on Instagram at Horrible Underscore Decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>Um every ch out to us again, Thank you again

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<v Speaker 1>for all of the love on iTunes, SoundCloud, I heart radio,

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere that you guys listen to us, and thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Um oh and bitch, we slow me off with this

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<v Speaker 1>motherfucking live show hole, so we will see you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll have to come and see you guys December one

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<v Speaker 1>here in NYC for our very first live show that

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<v Speaker 1>is sold out. Bitches. Anyways, this has been another episode

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<v Speaker 1>of horrible decisions