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Speaker 1: Cowboys and now your host, Kyle Yeoman's. Today is Wednesday,
Speaker 1: January twenty six, twenty twenty three. We are ninety one
Speaker 1: days away from the twenty twenty three NFL Draft in
Speaker 1: Kansas City. But as we take a look ahead, the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl starts practices on Tuesday. We are that close
Speaker 1: already there Senior Bowl time, and we're going to preview
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl today a little bit as well. It's
Speaker 1: episode number two. We've got Brian brought us in the house.
Speaker 1: Ayesha Morrison. No Bobby Belt today, We'll see him on
Speaker 1: Wednesday next week. But I'm Yemen's everybody doing okay, doing
Speaker 1: super yeah, super just yeah. You know. I mean, when
Speaker 1: it's funny how you transition from one thing the other.
Speaker 1: You're you go from worried about opponents to now evaluating players,
Speaker 1: now getting ready for the Senior Bowl, now thinking about
Speaker 1: how you're going to get to the combine all these
Speaker 1: things you kind of in your mind you start to
Speaker 1: the draft season comes fast and furious. You're gonna, like
Speaker 1: you said, it's ninety one days, we're gonna wake up,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be twenty one days, and you know we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to kind of figure all this thing out.
Speaker 1: But that's the great thing I always love about this journey,
Speaker 1: I do. I love this journey so much when it
Speaker 1: comes to the draft. I love the evaluation of players.
Speaker 1: I love team building. I've told everybody, guys, this would
Speaker 1: be the best job in the world if you never
Speaker 1: had to play games, if you never had you never
Speaker 1: had a just hey, let me draft players, let me
Speaker 1: build my team, let me kind of get everything organized,
Speaker 1: and then we'll see who has the best team on paper.
Speaker 1: But they don't let you do that. Whenever I was
Speaker 1: a kid, and I'm dating myself in the opposite way here,
Speaker 1: But there was a video game head coach, NFL head
Speaker 1: coach at Bilkwer on the front, okay, and you didn't
Speaker 1: actually play the games. It was by the EA Sports,
Speaker 1: it was by Bill Baker's a Madden. It was all
Speaker 1: team building, all teams. It was awesome. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: so fun. It was. It was based around the two
Speaker 1: thousand and five draft and had like Reggie Bush, Matt Liner,
Speaker 1: Vince Young, and you kind of took that and you
Speaker 1: kind of team built off of that. So yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go. That was Brian's favorite favorite video game. I
Speaker 1: never played it, but I actually in two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: I was my That was my last draft in the
Speaker 1: NFL with the Cowboys, and that was the DeMarcus Ware
Speaker 1: and that draft and Chris Canny and Jay Ratliffe, Marcus Spirit.
Speaker 1: I mean that that was that one was a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. That was a lot of fun, and once
Speaker 1: you played the games out of that one, it weren't
Speaker 1: turned out well for you. Yeah, there you go. You
Speaker 1: ended up in the Hall of Famer. So, Aisha, I
Speaker 1: got a text message from you last night. Would you
Speaker 1: like to address it with with everybody here that you
Speaker 1: have a new pet cat that you want to talk about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: you're gonna change your pet cat. Yeah, my pet cat
Speaker 1: subsequently is not going into the draft this year. That's okay,
Speaker 1: very depressing, but that's okay. Let him go. I think
Speaker 1: I've done that two of the last three years where
Speaker 1: I've brought up a player and somebody's looked at me
Speaker 1: and said, hey, he actually didn't come out. Yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 1: It happens. It happens. It does happen. I mean the
Speaker 1: way the players, I'll tell you what with the COVID situation,
Speaker 1: the way it is, you know, with the players getting
Speaker 1: extra years and stuff like that. I know myself at
Speaker 1: the last couple of times that I mean, we're working
Speaker 1: with Dane, Dane's Dane would just casually go, he's going back,
Speaker 1: He's going as you just as you just kind of
Speaker 1: just gave one of the best scouting reports you've ever
Speaker 1: given about a player, and then you know, I'm looking
Speaker 1: across the table ladder, I'm thinking this guy, I need
Speaker 1: to check this cat out here for sure, But no
Speaker 1: I did. It's funny because I did look at some
Speaker 1: Boston college film last night, and Zay Flowers looks for real,
Speaker 1: I'll do. Okay, if you're if you're watching Boston college tape,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you'll be watching tape on a particular
Speaker 1: player and then somebody else will start flashing and then
Speaker 1: you have to go and look up who that player
Speaker 1: is and wait, who is this guy? Yeah? Who is
Speaker 1: who is that guy? So anyway, but yeah, hey, it happens.
Speaker 1: It doesn't again, especially with the way that these these
Speaker 1: junior seniors, redshirt sophomores, I mean COVID year, COVID COVID
Speaker 1: years throwing because a lot of guys, a lot of
Speaker 1: guys are saying, no, I'm going back in il money.
Speaker 1: That's also how all of a sudden, guys that you
Speaker 1: were like, they were coming out, coming out, No, we're
Speaker 1: gonna stay. So that clearly clearly happens. As week there
Speaker 1: was even a rumor that C. J. Stroud was going
Speaker 1: to stick back because of a multimillion dollars in I
Speaker 1: L deal. I don't think that's happening, but those guys
Speaker 1: at Florida were trying to get him to come instead
Speaker 1: of that thirteen in our quarterback Anthony I can't remember
Speaker 1: his last name, but yeah, the Arizona Quarterbacks of California
Speaker 1: quarterback whatever it was. Yeah, So do you have a
Speaker 1: new pet cat to replace some wins so that way
Speaker 1: we can kind of keeping to keep keep tabs. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: as of right now, I think it's gonna be my
Speaker 1: my guy, the corner that I'm so intrigued by. Emmanuel Forbes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Civil State, Yeah, I think it might be him for
Speaker 1: right now until I go a little bit further. I
Speaker 1: was looking at a lot of linebackers. Just that's not
Speaker 1: a bad plan. Seriously, if you if you think about
Speaker 1: you know, as you look at this football team and
Speaker 1: you know the draft show, we try to be the
Speaker 1: one stop shot. Yeah, I mean, we don't discriminate if
Speaker 1: you're a Jacksonville Jaguar fan or you're we're trying to
Speaker 1: you know what are we always talking about investigating educating
Speaker 1: around here. So yeah, but if you're if you're a
Speaker 1: Cowboys centric like we are a little bit right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: looking at linebackers. If you, by the way, if you
Speaker 1: find one you really really like, let me know because
Speaker 1: that's kind of a that's been kind of a little
Speaker 1: bit of a challenge. I think early in this evaluation process.
Speaker 1: I've only got one guy. I've watched one, two, three,
Speaker 1: seven linebackers, and I've only got one guy that I
Speaker 1: truly would buy in on, and it's Trenton Sampson Clemson Simpson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Clemson linebacker. Who I mean, I don't even know if
Speaker 1: he's a first round grade. He's probably going to be
Speaker 1: a second round grade for me at some point. So
Speaker 1: not a great class. Now there's value in the second
Speaker 1: and third rounds. You talk about top one hundred guys,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of guys like Noah Sul out of Oregon.
Speaker 1: That was a guy who kind of picked off a
Speaker 1: little bit. That's the one. Noah Sul Oregon is the
Speaker 1: one that I've had conversations with a lot of scouts
Speaker 1: about because you want to sit there and the obviously
Speaker 1: the brother of Pennysul, who was highly drafted, touted offensive
Speaker 1: tackle out of Oregon. We'll deserve his brother. I think
Speaker 1: is a little hit and miss for me right now
Speaker 1: when you watch him play, and so to me, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like, Okay, I love the physicality, I love
Speaker 1: the downhill player. There's some things about him in coverage
Speaker 1: I think that are pretty good. I just don't know
Speaker 1: overall putting it everything together there with him. And we
Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit yesterday with wide receivers,
Speaker 1: but it's the same thing with linebackers. There's good prospects. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are guys that will come in and play a
Speaker 1: role for your football team. However, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: guys with question marks. There's a lot of guys that
Speaker 1: are broken or not. Okay, I hate using that term
Speaker 1: for a draft player, but just somebody with a little
Speaker 1: bit of a knock against their stock. That's the whole linebacker.
Speaker 1: Ye yeah, literally, I was That's what I was looking at.
Speaker 1: I was trying to see wish guys could cover a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, run block how they should. I
Speaker 1: was just trying to get an idea of because I
Speaker 1: feel like, now we saw the forty nine ers game,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of offensive coordinators will go
Speaker 1: at your linebackers and covers. Now it is a very
Speaker 1: common thing to find that favorable matchup, so you have
Speaker 1: you're looking for you I personally think you do want
Speaker 1: a guy with that versatility. So I'm I've kind of
Speaker 1: been looking around. I liked kind of like the overshown
Speaker 1: I know that was one of your guys. I kind
Speaker 1: of looked at him and fell a really good prospect,
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't put him. I mean, he's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be like a top sixty player. He's not gonna be
Speaker 1: a top ten, top twelve player. What about the see
Speaker 1: I'm you know, listen, I lived in Nia. What's a
Speaker 1: college And what about you know the guy from my load,
Speaker 1: Jack Campbell? What do you think about him? See. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen Jack Campbell saw. I'm interested to see. I
Speaker 1: know on people's list they talk about you know, they
Speaker 1: talk about him is probably being somewhere between the third
Speaker 1: and fourth linebacker potentially coming off the board. So I
Speaker 1: I but you know, when you look at the measurables.
Speaker 1: The thing about the Iowa linebackers, they do have a history.
Speaker 1: You know, Josie Jewel and it plays at Denver. I
Speaker 1: remember him watching him several years ago. And here's a
Speaker 1: guy that was, you know, was downhill player around the ball,
Speaker 1: great tackler, some some limitations as coverage, but could really
Speaker 1: really run. Iowa has done a good job of putting
Speaker 1: players in NFL. It doesn't always equate to Big Ten championships,
Speaker 1: but they do do a good job with that. They've
Speaker 1: done tight ends, they've done offensive linemen, linebackers. It's a school.
Speaker 1: You definitely have the fundamentals. They're so fundamentally sound. And
Speaker 1: I note I knew some guys I played there and
Speaker 1: stuff when I was in college. But with this gentleman
Speaker 1: in particular, he just gets the little things about linebacker
Speaker 1: or Jack Campbell. Yeah from Iowa. There you got um um.
Speaker 1: But he should then tackles well. But really the biggest
Speaker 1: thing for me is like seeing him in coverage. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm having gotten around. I think I got about
Speaker 1: three more to get through um out of this eight
Speaker 1: that I've been looking at. But I think in coverage,
Speaker 1: this guy may be the better coverage linebacker I've seen
Speaker 1: so far to really carry people and know what he's
Speaker 1: looking at, like nowhere, even in zones. He knows where
Speaker 1: to sit, he knows how to eight. He can read well,
Speaker 1: and I think that's something like we talked about what iowa.
Speaker 1: It's just the fundamentals, Like he may not they may
Speaker 1: not be the most athletic or whatever flashy, but you're
Speaker 1: gonna get a guy that's teachable and definitely understands the
Speaker 1: basics of the position. That's kind of what you're looking for.
Speaker 1: If he's going to be direct in traffic. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what. She makes a great point because we saw firsthand.
Speaker 1: If you know getting you're a Cowboy fan and your
Speaker 1: watch or you're a fan of the un know you
Speaker 1: watch the game last week with the Cowboys in the
Speaker 1: in the forty nine ers, you saw what really good
Speaker 1: linebacker play. You know you saw you saw what Fred Winner.
Speaker 1: When we were talking about Fred Warner coming out of BYU,
Speaker 1: one of the first things, like I used just talking
Speaker 1: about when the first things you saw about Fred Warner
Speaker 1: was at BYU. He can carry her outs, you know
Speaker 1: he can. It's not just about you know, just about
Speaker 1: the time. It's about doing everything. It's about never coming
Speaker 1: off the field as a linebacker, not being a liability.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's if you could find the guy
Speaker 1: that doesn't come off the field, can tackle, can be
Speaker 1: physical to point of attack, but also carryer outs and
Speaker 1: have the awareness and the understanding of what's going on
Speaker 1: around him, you probably need to draft that guy. You're
Speaker 1: probably gonna have to look at the Big ten too,
Speaker 1: because you look at the Big Ten. You got Wisconsin
Speaker 1: that always turns out linebackers. They've got another one this
Speaker 1: year and Nate or Nick Herbig, who's gonna be a good,
Speaker 1: good player out of this draft class. Big ten linebackers
Speaker 1: tend to carry that on them, the strength of the the physicality,
Speaker 1: the IQ. They all tend to have that, or at
Speaker 1: least the good ones through that come into the draft.
Speaker 1: I have a question for you too, I wish baby
Speaker 1: was here. Do y'all think y'all think that Michael Parsons
Speaker 1: of the world are not ruining, but just altering how
Speaker 1: people view what you need to have in a linebacker,
Speaker 1: because even with overshown like they're, they're making them all around. Guy,
Speaker 1: I feel like there's another linebacker I saw in here.
Speaker 1: There was like, oh, well he was he was a
Speaker 1: d N and then they moved in a linebacker. Now
Speaker 1: he's doing all this stuff. Do y'all feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of how the hybrid linebacker is that look
Speaker 1: you're looking for. Do you think that's kind of changing
Speaker 1: what people how people value some of these linebackers now.
Speaker 1: I think it's the way that the four and tell
Speaker 1: me if you think otherwise, No, yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: the way that teams run multiple fronts now are changing
Speaker 1: the way you look at linebackers. Yeah, for the most part,
Speaker 1: because you're not just a traditional three four front. Dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: if you ask him on the other side of the building,
Speaker 1: he's gonna say, we run a three four, we run
Speaker 1: a four to three. But there's not that's not the case.
Speaker 1: You're gonna run both of those fronts, maybe on the
Speaker 1: same drive. So having a versatile linebacker like that is
Speaker 1: kind of that that winner take all piece. He's the
Speaker 1: one that can be the fluctuation to where the other
Speaker 1: six guys in your front seven aren't necessarily having to
Speaker 1: do too much or having to do multiple jobs along
Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, I challenge anybody to show me Micah
Speaker 1: Parsons rushing the passer at Penn State other than a
Speaker 1: blitzer exactly. You know, that's what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you know, and and scouts will tell you, and
Speaker 1: I trust me all these guys and gals around the
Speaker 1: league that I've worked with through my life. You know,
Speaker 1: I was asking him, did you guys see Parsons as
Speaker 1: a pass rusher? Nope? And they're like, nope, nope, nope.
Speaker 1: We saw him as a blitzer. We saw him as
Speaker 1: a two hundred and forty five pound just attack the
Speaker 1: middle of the pocket guy, run, run stunts inside, make
Speaker 1: things happen. You know, he didn't play the COVID year,
Speaker 1: sat out that whole year, so the last thing you
Speaker 1: watched him is playing against Memphis and the Cotton Bowl,
Speaker 1: and you see. But but to your point, Asha, there's
Speaker 1: a player in this draft and it might be one
Speaker 1: of the top linebackers Drew Sanders from Arkansas. He's a
Speaker 1: transying kid. He transferred from Alabama. And so the thing
Speaker 1: about when you watch Drew Sanders play, you will see
Speaker 1: him playing coverage. You will see him play the run.
Speaker 1: You'll see him get off blocks, and you'll see him
Speaker 1: put his hand on the ground and rush and create
Speaker 1: create problems in the pocket. So to your point, this
Speaker 1: is why a guy like Drew Sanders from Arkansas is
Speaker 1: going to be somebody that somebody coverts because of all
Speaker 1: the things that you just talked about, the ability to tackle,
Speaker 1: ability to cover, and oh, by the way, you could
Speaker 1: put him down. He's six five, he's two thirty three.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to grow a little bit, maybe more.
Speaker 1: But there is some traits to him as that edge rusher,
Speaker 1: even some of the d ns. Even some of the
Speaker 1: dns like you'll he like I was looking listening to
Speaker 1: some of the coaches talk about them. He could play
Speaker 1: some mouts on linebacker, and I'm like, dang, like this
Speaker 1: is a new thing, Like if you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: do multiple it feels like a lot of these, you know,
Speaker 1: defensive jobs especially are like, hey, you got to be
Speaker 1: able to play the edge. We might need you to
Speaker 1: drop and cover. Sometimes he might need you to And
Speaker 1: that's like I said, I just feel like that's more
Speaker 1: than it seems more common right now than it was before. Well,
Speaker 1: they always we always laugh about position flex. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: always say. I mean when every time that Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: to me says position flex, I thought initially it was
Speaker 1: a really kind of cool buzzword, and then a position
Speaker 1: flex to me sometimes now means he's really not good
Speaker 1: enough at two position or in one position, so now
Speaker 1: you have to But to your point, also Will McDonald,
Speaker 1: who's a guy at the Senior Bowl this year, I
Speaker 1: was saying, Iowa State now sixty three, two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty six pounds, guy could be a rusher. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: get these linear built, these thin, long, you know, guys
Speaker 1: that aren't two hundred and ninety two pounds or two
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty two pounds or playing defensive end. You
Speaker 1: get these lighter bodied guys and you could the Kansas
Speaker 1: State kid that we talked about yesterday. Yeah, these these
Speaker 1: guys that have that ability to if you plugged him
Speaker 1: in and you said, let's say a team that primary
Speaker 1: is what they call an odd front or a three
Speaker 1: to four front. Then you're you're talking about these guys
Speaker 1: at two thirty six, two forty four that play stand
Speaker 1: up outside linebacker listed as but they're really your primary
Speaker 1: pass rusher, is what they are. It provides versatility without
Speaker 1: being pigeonholed into being a flex guy. Yeah, because, like
Speaker 1: you said, if Zack Martin is probably your best left tackle,
Speaker 1: right tackle, left guard, right guard, and center, but you're
Speaker 1: not going to move him off of right guard because
Speaker 1: that's his position. That's his position, but position flex if
Speaker 1: you need it. Tyler Smith, who's been good at tackle,
Speaker 1: is also good at guard. It doesn't mean he's the
Speaker 1: best at one of the other. There might be To me,
Speaker 1: there might be a thing with Tyler Smith. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys agree about this. Going back
Speaker 1: to Tyler and I think I think he's shown better
Speaker 1: as a tackle than he has a guard. And they
Speaker 1: initially thought that he was going to be a guard.
Speaker 1: That's where they were, That's where they were kind of
Speaker 1: looking at that spot. So to me, as the season
Speaker 1: went along, the player developed into the position to point
Speaker 1: where like I don't know if I'm too sure about
Speaker 1: playing him at guard anymore. It looks like to me,
Speaker 1: like a legitimate left tackle. Yeah, he's gonna. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna play a lot of left tackle for this
Speaker 1: Cowboys franchise. May not be next year. They may throw
Speaker 1: him back at the guard and let tyr and get
Speaker 1: back to the left tackle if he returns, but at
Speaker 1: some point in the future, Tyler Smith will be your
Speaker 1: left tackle. That's what's going to happen with him moving forward.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take our first break when we come back.
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Speaker 1: second segment, you know what time it is. It's time
Speaker 1: for some Twitter on the twenty. Chris Beam in the
Speaker 1: back with a great job. Are you not used to
Speaker 1: the soundery yet? I can forget it. I've forgot. It's
Speaker 1: like the colleges that have cannons that come off whenever
Speaker 1: you score. Yeah, you run into the end zone. Everybody's
Speaker 1: like yeah, touchdown and it's boom and ghet you out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. Happens North Texas. Does it. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: that's the boomer go to all right, Paul asks if
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn leaves, which of course we don't want to happen,
Speaker 1: but it possibly could, probably will happen, would there be
Speaker 1: a change in draft philosophy, philosophy with the lengthy cornerbacks
Speaker 1: in your secondary because that's one of the things he
Speaker 1: brought to the table from his time with the Legion
Speaker 1: of Boom in Seattle. Of course with Atlanta, then he
Speaker 1: brings it to Dallas. He likes lengthy corners. Nashan, Right,
Speaker 1: you throw Israel mcquamu into the mix when he was
Speaker 1: drafted as well. Does that change if he leaves us?
Speaker 1: You got something on this one. Do I think it
Speaker 1: changes if he leaves? Probably? I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. At this point, it don't feel like it
Speaker 1: matters because we just talked about yesterday. All these corners
Speaker 1: is lanky looking like it's either way. Um nah, I
Speaker 1: personally I feel like that's something again. It just feels like,
Speaker 1: even in this draft, it feels like something that is
Speaker 1: not normal. Now. But a lot of these guys are
Speaker 1: linty even let me see if I can find them
Speaker 1: I clicked out, I'm on accent, my bad. Y'all still
Speaker 1: stay organized? Go ahead. No, I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: that to me, It's it depends on who if the
Speaker 1: coordinator change comes from with outside, if all of a
Speaker 1: sudden they go out and get uh, you know, they
Speaker 1: go out and get one of these these coaches that
Speaker 1: we you know, I mean, I don't know, a non
Speaker 1: internal yeah like that, you know, the Vic Fangio's somebody.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going to see a completely
Speaker 1: different scheme change. But if you go outside, yeah, sometimes
Speaker 1: you know Rod Marinelli when he was here, it was
Speaker 1: it was about the inside players. It was about the
Speaker 1: quick guy at the three. It was about you know, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't want uh, you know, we we don't want
Speaker 1: you know, he played with a shorter corner with Ronde
Speaker 1: Barber at you know, at Tampa Bay. I mean there's
Speaker 1: there's guys christ there's guys that were that didn't want
Speaker 1: to play with certain length of players or it didn't
Speaker 1: fit their eye or fit their scheme. I think I
Speaker 1: issue is right about this. If you're gonna draft a
Speaker 1: corner in this draft, you're probably gonna draft one that
Speaker 1: has some link to it regardless of whether you like
Speaker 1: it or not, those first and second rounds. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you're looking at these corners and the and the ones,
Speaker 1: and especially with the way that these receivers in the
Speaker 1: league now catch the ball and extend, you gotta have
Speaker 1: you know, you can't be hitting especially these tight ends
Speaker 1: that catch the ball too that you might have to
Speaker 1: match up against. So you don't want to keep slapping
Speaker 1: people on the wrist. You want to be able to
Speaker 1: have the link to get over to the ball. So
Speaker 1: I don't think that will change for this organization out
Speaker 1: of the guys that you've seen so far, because real quick,
Speaker 1: I think Will McClay, I think Will McClay hit the
Speaker 1: philosophy he has about it. I think that will always
Speaker 1: be the standard that they have here with those guys.
Speaker 1: Oh that's okay. So that's interesting because then that goes
Speaker 1: back to Kelvin Joseph. He's not a long, lengthy corner.
Speaker 1: He was drafted in the first draft. Dan Quinn was here, right,
Speaker 1: So is that a conversation with the front office that
Speaker 1: stays the same? I think here, I think that it's
Speaker 1: one of those things that will whoever they hire, they're
Speaker 1: going to want to hire somebody that's not gonna want
Speaker 1: to come in and totally overhaul everything that they're going
Speaker 1: to do on defense when it comes to the personnel
Speaker 1: that they have on the defense. Well, I'm just throwing
Speaker 1: a name out there. If Al Harris is elevated to
Speaker 1: to defensive coordinator, do you think it stays the same?
Speaker 1: Probably long, lengthy cap, yeah, absolutely, kind of what he
Speaker 1: works with, work with Will Well, Yeah, Joe Witt, same thing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: same thing. It's the dan Quinn you know, it's that
Speaker 1: dan Quinn philosophy there. Who was who kind of fits
Speaker 1: that mold the best out of the guys you've seen
Speaker 1: so far a corner, I think, well, he's kind of
Speaker 1: high up on the board. But Devin Witherson Yeah, okay, God,
Speaker 1: senior Bowl guy tackles Will Um tackles Will on the edges.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's Illinois by the way, so active, Yes, Illinois, Yes,
Speaker 1: Devin with the room from Illinois. Bad but he's very active.
Speaker 1: I like his play on the ball. He tracks the
Speaker 1: Ah well, I feel as well, you got this guy,
Speaker 1: so I feel like he fits Um fits that that
Speaker 1: mode we talk about having that length, but he's not
Speaker 1: just like Um just like dude from Issue, he's not
Speaker 1: he looks lanky, but he's he's strong like he's strong
Speaker 1: like they think their center, their cores are strong given
Speaker 1: how they play on the at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: But also too, when you're talking about the length, I
Speaker 1: think that's also helping some of these guys jamming at
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and in hand fighting and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, being able to play through, not you know,
Speaker 1: play through some of these receivers that are really physical.
Speaker 1: Because I think this, I also feel like some of
Speaker 1: these wide receivers coming out, even though they're not shooper shop,
Speaker 1: they they're physical at the line of scrimmage, and and
Speaker 1: I think that these corners bowl well for that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The really the shortest guy that we're going to see
Speaker 1: in this draft, I believe that I've seen right now
Speaker 1: is Clark Phillips from Utah. He's around a five ten guy.
Speaker 1: But I Issu's right. Every one of these guys are right.
Speaker 1: That six foot six one Ring from Georgia is a
Speaker 1: is a six two guys a little bit more broad
Speaker 1: like Jalen Jones whether from Texas, A and M he's
Speaker 1: six two two oh five there's people that think that
Speaker 1: he might be a better safety than he might be
Speaker 1: a corner. So yeah, there's there's some guys with this link.
Speaker 1: We mentioned Christian Gonzalez from Oregon six two two oh one.
Speaker 1: You know that's that's what you're looking at right now.
Speaker 1: Forbes from from Mississippi State, who Asia likes as a
Speaker 1: pet cat guy, who's a really, really good player. I mean, seriously,
Speaker 1: you draft him. You got a guy that's a fighter,
Speaker 1: six foot one eighty. Now, that's the thing about it,
Speaker 1: there's there's really other than the other than the Utah Kid.
Speaker 1: Most of these corners I've seen so far, the top
Speaker 1: ones have got linked to him. Have you watched DJ
Speaker 1: Turner yet him? How do you think about him? I
Speaker 1: tell you what I was when let me slip back.
Speaker 1: I thought there was really an ease of movement to
Speaker 1: his game. He's not gonna let receivers get away from
Speaker 1: I thought he was more of a nickel than he
Speaker 1: was really a true outside out side guy. And maybe
Speaker 1: it's a little bit like you know what we've seen
Speaker 1: in Jordan Lewis, another Michigan player from back in the day.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think that he is like I say,
Speaker 1: the movement, the size, his ability to get his hands
Speaker 1: on the receiver, the position, the route. You know, I
Speaker 1: think he might have a little trouble with dealing with
Speaker 1: strong guys, But overall though, I think his best trade
Speaker 1: is that movement and the ability to play the ball.
Speaker 1: So he's a senior player, by the way, from Michigan.
Speaker 1: So that's a guy that's playing a lot of big games,
Speaker 1: played a lot of snaps. There's something to that, you know,
Speaker 1: We're seeing it now with Brock Purty at San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Four year starter gets all those opportunities, goes in and
Speaker 1: plays well. There's a value in that, especially in positions
Speaker 1: where it takes a lot of IQ play. Let's be honest.
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph didn't play a lot of snaps at LSU Nordity,
Speaker 1: you know, and now we're all sitting there thinking like, well,
Speaker 1: why is he not very good? Or you know, what's
Speaker 1: the struggles. Didn't play a lot of snaps in college,
Speaker 1: which is why I'm not even though I'm kind of
Speaker 1: sick about my pick returning, I'm just while you look
Speaker 1: at some of I was talking to people yesterday on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are like Yeah, my favorite
Speaker 1: guys returning too, and so for that reason, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why I'm not too down on catch you next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that are deciding to come back a second year well
Speaker 1: to finish their season because they may want to just
Speaker 1: be shoring up their craft, and who are we to
Speaker 1: say they can't do that? Our twenty twenty four draft
Speaker 1: show is going to be full of that Boston College guard.
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen there, all right. Next question comes from
Speaker 1: Cannonball Cowboy. What a name for what free agent departures
Speaker 1: from the Dallas Cowboys would generate the most draft need
Speaker 1: come April? As? What do you think on that one
Speaker 1: Tater Tots? Which one tight end, offensive tackle, offensive guard,
Speaker 1: Connor mcgoverned, Tarren Steele or both Terry Steals are restricted
Speaker 1: free agent? He's probably coming back. You know, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna say, how long did you sign
Speaker 1: Malee Cooker? I might say safe. I think he's got
Speaker 1: one more year, He's got one more Yeah, I'll double check,
Speaker 1: but I want to say he's here till next year.
Speaker 1: I mean, but Donovan Wilson's in that class, that class,
Speaker 1: and he's important. I know that J round curses coming back.
Speaker 1: But after your starters, who's proven over there? You know what,
Speaker 1: maybe you attack safety. Yeah, safety could be a possibility,
Speaker 1: you know. I always we talked about corners earlier. What
Speaker 1: about running back? If in fact that you lose Pollard
Speaker 1: and you move on from Zeke? You know, and I'm
Speaker 1: not and I'm not. This is not the let's let's
Speaker 1: champion v Jean Robinson talk again. I'm just saying for
Speaker 1: a running back position maybe, and I'm not. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be at twenty six, second, third round. Whatever
Speaker 1: you want to draft, you're gonna have some likely some
Speaker 1: compensatory picks. Grab a guy then. But if you lose,
Speaker 1: if you lose Pollard to free agency and you need
Speaker 1: to move on for because you need cap space because
Speaker 1: of Zeke's contract, then I think you're probably looking at
Speaker 1: what's going to happen at offensive tackle as well. You okay,
Speaker 1: you got Ball, you got well, let's go. But neither
Speaker 1: one of them really really proven. I think they liked
Speaker 1: what's well, let's go better than Ball from what we saw. Ball, Well,
Speaker 1: this will be his third year now, So do you
Speaker 1: look at that offensive line? Do you look at it?
Speaker 1: Possibly a center you know, do you look at a
Speaker 1: possible guard. It could be along the offensive line for sure.
Speaker 1: What about the wide receiver. We've mentioned that as well.
Speaker 1: This team for being twelve and five and being get
Speaker 1: into the second round of the playoffs, there are things
Speaker 1: that you absolutely it's perfect because to me, you've got
Speaker 1: to keep an open mind when you go in the draft.
Speaker 1: Don't pigeonhole yourself into it's like, oh, we've got to
Speaker 1: have a corner here, gotta have a defensive in here,
Speaker 1: gotta have no Let the board come to you in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways and you'll be able to pick
Speaker 1: those players off as you need them. And if you
Speaker 1: have to use draft capital, move up a couple of
Speaker 1: spots because you have an extra compensatory pick, which we
Speaker 1: talked about you can trade. Keep that open mind, keep
Speaker 1: the positions open. I worked for a Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: general manager in Green Bay, Ron Wolf. He says, Brian,
Speaker 1: if you feel like you're really good at a position,
Speaker 1: go ahead and add another player, because it always works
Speaker 1: out for you, and it always works. I think they've
Speaker 1: done a good job of that recently. I'm going into
Speaker 1: free agents to protect himselves, not spending a ton of
Speaker 1: money that's the thing. Fans want to see the money flow,
Speaker 1: and they're like the name. It's not the big names. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not going out and getting the Bobby Wagners of
Speaker 1: the world in last year's free agency just for Miller,
Speaker 1: yeah Von Miller. They're not doing that, but they are
Speaker 1: covering their bases yep. So that way whenever the draft
Speaker 1: comes around, they're able to do that. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: linebacker to answer that question though, because you've got Lvy,
Speaker 1: Anthony Barr, Luke Effort, all unrestricted free agents. Look at
Speaker 1: you open it up the show with linebacker talk all line.
Speaker 1: It's stressed us out at the beginning of the sea
Speaker 1: I think like this is most of the conversations we're
Speaker 1: even having or things that they were just over to
Speaker 1: over they were able to overcome, as you were saying,
Speaker 1: Brian through the season. But I also too, I might
Speaker 1: I might go DT, I might go because I mean,
Speaker 1: you have Hankins, but I mean and also you know,
Speaker 1: Carlos Watkins I felt like really came along. He was
Speaker 1: a good guy to bring back both unrestricted free agents.
Speaker 1: But Neville Galla Morris here don't necessarily know how once
Speaker 1: you're getting from him right now, sure, m quite honestly,
Speaker 1: and then Bohanna was injured up and down this year.
Speaker 1: I do I think I did see some good things
Speaker 1: from him at some points. But that might be a
Speaker 1: position that you want to go ahead and address because
Speaker 1: Hankin showed you what a knows how different your defensive
Speaker 1: line looks when there's a true nose in there. Help
Speaker 1: help Vanders absolutely so. Even when you talk about your linebackers,
Speaker 1: if you are going to draft a linebacker, you got
Speaker 1: a young one coming in here, you might want to
Speaker 1: have a DT in there as well. That's a good,
Speaker 1: very good linebackers right now under contract, Devin Harper, Daman Clark,
Speaker 1: Tabille Cox, Davante Bond, and then I guess you could
Speaker 1: throw Michael Parsons in there too. But that's that's your guys,
Speaker 1: that's your linebacking corps right now as we stand. That's
Speaker 1: what it is. We had a point to where were
Speaker 1: not I aint gonna say that what we had a
Speaker 1: point to where we do we can shop? I mean,
Speaker 1: he Mike's technically a linebacker, and he plays some linebacker,
Speaker 1: but at this point do we include him in the
Speaker 1: depth part When you talk about drafting because I don't
Speaker 1: want to waste You don't want to not pick the
Speaker 1: lineback because you're going to keep him as No, you're
Speaker 1: that you need to grab a line you build a
Speaker 1: round Mica. That's that, and Mica is doing what he's
Speaker 1: doing right now. So exactly, Tristan asked most unlikely position
Speaker 1: group that they could draft in the first round. Brian,
Speaker 1: what's the most unlikely but still realistic, most likely position
Speaker 1: or unlikely position group? Running back? That's it. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because nobody wants them to draft a
Speaker 1: first round linebacker back, but a lot of people. But
Speaker 1: at twenty six, at twenty six, I guarantee when we
Speaker 1: stack our boards, we're gonna have between eighteen and twenty
Speaker 1: two first round grades, you know, and then and then okay,
Speaker 1: player twenty three, twenty four, twenty five or all second
Speaker 1: round grades. So really, if and realistically though, I have
Speaker 1: a feeling that if Again, I'm not trying to have
Speaker 1: Bjean Robinson talk. I'm just saying, remember a few years
Speaker 1: ago with the Cede Lamb thing, when they were looking
Speaker 1: at Chason from l shoe As and everybody was Chase on,
Speaker 1: Chase on Chase on Chase fitted a need, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they looked up on their board and
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb was still sitting there, and somebody in the
Speaker 1: room decided Jerry Jones, will McClay. You know, whoever decide
Speaker 1: Cedee Lamb is still on that board, you know. And
Speaker 1: so the one thing I've learned is never a window
Speaker 1: dress your board. If you think that a running back
Speaker 1: is the top, is one of your top put him
Speaker 1: where you're gonna put him where you think he needs
Speaker 1: to be. But that's a position that if they, if
Speaker 1: they get, if they if they don't, if they move
Speaker 1: on from Zeke and they and they and they don't
Speaker 1: resign Tony Pollard, you're gonna need something there. Now. Again,
Speaker 1: it's at twenty six. It's not like you're taking one
Speaker 1: at four. You're taking one at twenty six. So to me,
Speaker 1: that's a position. Could let me ask you this, could
Speaker 1: one of those quarterbacks slide down there that you would
Speaker 1: consider taking a quarterback at twenty six? Oh lordy, I
Speaker 1: will no, but I'm but you gotta have the conversation.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing if will last, I just you've
Speaker 1: ask if you ask me the question a position that
Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't take. But and the Cooper rush is understricted. Yea,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean to me, do you start the
Speaker 1: journey if a quarterback's like when you're at the when
Speaker 1: you're at the bottom of the board, you're kind of
Speaker 1: at the mercy of the board, but you're the safest
Speaker 1: thing to do is take the best player on your board.
Speaker 1: Jordan Love was taken by Green Bay at twenty four
Speaker 1: overall a couple of years ago. He's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: the starter in green Bay next year. Yeah. See, that's
Speaker 1: what that happens. It does there's positions that and I
Speaker 1: think there's and this is not a slam at Dak,
Speaker 1: but Derek now questions that more people, people who defended
Speaker 1: Dak throughout this whole thing, are starting to say, hmm,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of pause there. So if if
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you've evaluated one of these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: and they've you know, they've it's it's an not Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: you would hope it was Aaron Rodgers. When he know
Speaker 1: Ted Thompson, my buddy at green Bay, god brest his soul.
Speaker 1: Ted Teddy's like he was going to take a defensive
Speaker 1: end from Florida State, Aaron Rodgers sitting on the board.
Speaker 1: He's got Brett Farve kind of in a situation where
Speaker 1: he's getting a little older. I don't know, Ted. He's like,
Speaker 1: he tells the scouts in the room, he goes, we
Speaker 1: gotta take this quarterback, don't we boys, And they go, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go hand the card in here we go. So
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's the kind of thing you can't
Speaker 1: just limit yourself to the same We've got to have
Speaker 1: a corner here, We've got to have a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: We've got it. I think they got in trouble with
Speaker 1: that when they took Taco Charlton. You know, they looked
Speaker 1: at it and they're like, okay, Tack McKinley. You know,
Speaker 1: They're they're looking at all these defensive ends, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: we gotta have a defensive end. Gotta have a defensive end.
Speaker 1: Gotta have a defensive end, you know, And all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you take him and it's like, mah, you know,
Speaker 1: there's other positions you probably could have taken. I mean,
Speaker 1: now you look at it, it's that way. But I
Speaker 1: think you have to be open to any opportunities that
Speaker 1: can help your football team get better, not only now
Speaker 1: but in the future. What do you think to tight end? Okay,
Speaker 1: the next question was GC asked what what what difference
Speaker 1: would a dynamic tight end make? So probably would make
Speaker 1: a big difference pound the two of them. Nay, might
Speaker 1: might make a big difference. But when you're asking the
Speaker 1: questions like what's more likely, you know, you know what what?
Speaker 1: What position is less likely to get picked? I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys think they can give value from the tight
Speaker 1: end position later down in the draft. Also too, you.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got Peyton Hendershot undrafted this year and
Speaker 1: he showed you some good things. So I think from
Speaker 1: how they evaluate, they may not feel the need to
Speaker 1: go tight end so early. So that would be me.
Speaker 1: Is there anybody that you like a tight end early?
Speaker 1: Have you watched I haven't even started getting I haven't.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched a single tight end. So the unlikely
Speaker 1: side of things is correct because I haven't seen one yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, with with what's going on with
Speaker 1: Schultz and us not knowing. Yeah, the idea is just
Speaker 1: to make things a little easier for your quarterbacks. Well,
Speaker 1: last tight end will be nice. Yeah, I think I've been.
Speaker 1: That's one of a position. I've actually seen quite a few. Okay,
Speaker 1: what you got, teacher, teach us, teach us. Let me
Speaker 1: get down to where I've looked at these guys are
Speaker 1: and tell you who I've looked at. I've looked at
Speaker 1: Michael Mayer from Notre Dame. Uh Luke Musgrave from Oregon State.
Speaker 1: By the way, he is a senior Bowl guy. I've
Speaker 1: looked at Darnel Washington from Georgia. He's six seven, two
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty pounds. He's like a tackle playing tight end.
Speaker 1: This guy is master one number zero, right, Yeah, one
Speaker 1: number zero Man Dalton Dalton Kincaide from Utah is a
Speaker 1: is a really good player. Tuckle Tucker Craft from South
Speaker 1: Dakota State six five, two fifty three. This is actually
Speaker 1: a really really good tight end group. And I've got
Speaker 1: I've got about ten more guys that I need. Sam
Speaker 1: Laporta from Iowa. Iowa's put out tight end after tight
Speaker 1: end in the league. Right, these are all tight end schools.
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Yeah, I'd say, I don't think you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a shot at Michael Mayer from Notre Dame Musgrave
Speaker 1: will be an interesting that's six six two fifty right there.
Speaker 1: So to me, you know, that's more probably a second
Speaker 1: round kind of thing. Him, Washington, Kincaid, I they are all.
Speaker 1: They are all I think really really really good. And
Speaker 1: you know the thing with with Kincaid, I'll just kind
Speaker 1: of I think that that that's a possibility there. Super
Speaker 1: talented route runner. He's a finisher. The ball is in
Speaker 1: the air, it's his. He covers some ground with his routes.
Speaker 1: He's a long strider. He gets in and out of
Speaker 1: his brakes really really well. Reliable hands, ability to catch
Speaker 1: in him, he can adjust on the move, big catch radius.
Speaker 1: That's what you need for these quarterbacks. Man, they're not
Speaker 1: always accurate. You better have a guy that can catch
Speaker 1: the football down the field. But he could take the
Speaker 1: ball and get up the field in a hurry. That's
Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaid from Utah. Keep an eye on him. I
Speaker 1: had his name written down in our next segment, we're
Speaker 1: given guys that you want to look at it in
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, he was one of those guys I'm
Speaker 1: really excited to see last year who flashed at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Jake Ferguson. Yeah, and you ended up drafting
Speaker 1: the guy. Yes, so if that's how that happened. But
Speaker 1: I Esha's right, I don't see them heck in in
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, we had the first round grade
Speaker 1: on Jason Witt and we didn't take him to the third.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's in this organization's dna. I know they took
Speaker 1: what the floor from LSU one year in the first round.
Speaker 1: That didn't work out for him. I think she's right
Speaker 1: about that though. But if you get down to the
Speaker 1: point where all of a sudden the tight end is
Speaker 1: the best player on the board at twenty six, it's no.
Speaker 1: I mean they almost took a tight end. Uh oh man?
Speaker 1: What was his name? Kade m from last year Colorado
Speaker 1: State tight end? What was his name? Was it McDonald
Speaker 1: or no? Might hang on, hang on hand on that name.
Speaker 1: I've got to hear. I've got it. I can't do
Speaker 1: names anymore when it comes to I can't remember the
Speaker 1: Colorado State he had he had the Trey McBride. I
Speaker 1: just got to my list of guys from last year. McBride.
Speaker 1: They looked at him really tough. In the second round,
Speaker 1: they were this close was standing on the table for
Speaker 1: Trey McBride in the second round forty six from Colorado State,
Speaker 1: and they ended up going I think he went a
Speaker 1: couple picks prior to them actually being available on the board,
Speaker 1: but he was the guy that they wanted in that
Speaker 1: second round, didn't get him. He went the pick prior
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals and then they selected Sam Williams to
Speaker 1: pick after. So they've looked at it early in the past,
Speaker 1: got to look at it at some point if especially
Speaker 1: if Dalton Schultz isn't a round. Last question of Twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty Chase asked a couple of mock drafts
Speaker 1: nationally have had Dallas taking an edge rusher at twenty six.
Speaker 1: Is there any chance, any chance that that's a big
Speaker 1: need up front? I'm sorry, I'm in my mind. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at our depth chart to Marcus Lawrence Micah if
Speaker 1: you want to throw him into that conversation. You don't
Speaker 1: know if you're bringing back foul foulers at free agent. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I support. I mean maybe, like Brian said, um, if
Speaker 1: if somebody's on the board, that's that's gonna help your team.
Speaker 1: I don't see why not. But it's not. I guess
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be the first thing that I I think
Speaker 1: he is like a needed like you need it right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably you're not going to get the will Andersons
Speaker 1: or the Miles Murphy. Anderson out of Alabama, Murphy out
Speaker 1: of Clemson. You talk about some of these guys on
Speaker 1: the back half. What you don't like? Question? What's up? Y'all?
Speaker 1: Watched Will Anderson? Right? Yeah? Yeah? I feel like there's
Speaker 1: so many times I'll watch him and he seems he's
Speaker 1: not if he's not in the play, he's not interested.
Speaker 1: Is that me? Am I tripping? We're getting into the
Speaker 1: du love football conversation already. No, no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is is that I feel if the
Speaker 1: balls running away. I'm serious, y'all. Like the first couple
Speaker 1: of games I watched him, I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: watching Texas game where there was plenty of it was
Speaker 1: more than one Georgia. It was more than one game.
Speaker 1: It was when he's locked in. He's locked in. I
Speaker 1: think he's one of those guys that can turn it on.
Speaker 1: I think he gets frustrated too, I think so, I
Speaker 1: think it's okay. I want to make sure I wasn't
Speaker 1: tripping because I was like, Yo, this dude, he's fantastic
Speaker 1: at what he does. He but I just like if
Speaker 1: he if they're not running to the side, if they're
Speaker 1: if it's a pass play, Like honestly, he's such a
Speaker 1: giant human that if he just puts his hands up
Speaker 1: and he's active in the play, he probably would beat
Speaker 1: down balls if he's in the because he's in the
Speaker 1: passing lanes. His arms are long enough. If you give me,
Speaker 1: if you give me, twenty twenty one, Will Anderson first
Speaker 1: overall pick, he was the guy. Twenty twenty two, Will
Speaker 1: Anderson didn't really do a whole lot for me. He's
Speaker 1: a good player, don't get me wrong, and the traits
Speaker 1: are there. He is speedy, he is physically is strong.
Speaker 1: He's got those broad shoulders, relentless pass rush is one
Speaker 1: of the notes that I had down. And he can
Speaker 1: stop the run. But if it's like a one on
Speaker 1: one battle away from the ball, you're not gonna see
Speaker 1: the Michael Parsons coming from the opposite side or the
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence coming from the opposite side of the formation.
Speaker 1: To make a suit, I'm not you know what, you
Speaker 1: guys are not wrong about that, because no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I was because I was looking at Tyree Wilson from
Speaker 1: Texas Tech, and I was looking for Miles Murphy from Clemson,
Speaker 1: you know, and I was bj Laurie from LSU. I
Speaker 1: was looking at all these guys. I'm thinking, like, man,
Speaker 1: why is why is Will Anderson looking like these guys? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I mean that in a way like
Speaker 1: could you think of Will Anderson just being head and
Speaker 1: shoulders above everybody? But there's there's people now as as
Speaker 1: we dive into this, Will Anderson was kind of going
Speaker 1: to be the number one well list of a quarterback win.
Speaker 1: But you know, here's the Bears. They don't need a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Bears are looking at defensive players. They're looking at the
Speaker 1: tackle you know from from Georgia as a possibility. Or
Speaker 1: then could it be Will Anderson. I think it was
Speaker 1: always going to be a slam dunk, that Will Anderson
Speaker 1: was going to be this guy. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a slam dunk anymore. No, I don't say I was
Speaker 1: watching this gentleman. I mean because obviously he's the first
Speaker 1: first person on his board, and I sat there and
Speaker 1: watched him, and I said, I for a first round pick,
Speaker 1: for the to be the number one pick, number one overall,
Speaker 1: number one overall pick. Rather, I expect it something else.
Speaker 1: And when I started watching him, maybe I do need
Speaker 1: to go watch twenty twenty one. I'm still watch watch
Speaker 1: the twenty one tape. It's really impressed. It's gonna make
Speaker 1: me more mad though probably but also to people probably
Speaker 1: figure out how to play him. Whatever the case. Maybe
Speaker 1: if if he was taken last year after the twenty
Speaker 1: one tape, I think he would have been maybe the
Speaker 1: second or third edge rusher off the board. It would
Speaker 1: have been Trayvon Walker, and then it would have been
Speaker 1: right there with Aidan Hutchinson. I don't think he's a
Speaker 1: top three edge rusher from last year. I think it
Speaker 1: would be Walker, Hutchison and then Thibadeau. Then you would
Speaker 1: see where and there were some there were some serious
Speaker 1: questions about Hutchinson from Michigan. Last year. He bawled out
Speaker 1: and he played his I like him, and then he had,
Speaker 1: of course, of course his breakout game against the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I know how to do everything. I'm like,
Speaker 1: of course against the Cowboys, you figure it out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my bad y'all, I didn't mean to talk about Will
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Speaker 1: all in the back. Senior Bowl practices begin on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Actually the Collegiate Bowl coming up on Saturday. We're starting
Speaker 1: to get into these collegiate All Star games already in
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl of course down in Mobile, Alabama. Great
Speaker 1: great eight roster again this year. Looking at super job
Speaker 1: down there, Jim Naggy and them doing it feel like
Speaker 1: every year, right, every year it takes a step up
Speaker 1: to sure, do what what position? Do you feel like
Speaker 1: he's best represented down in Mobile this year based off
Speaker 1: of the guys that you've seen and some of the
Speaker 1: roster that kind of overlaps. I know, I've written down
Speaker 1: a lot of defensive players here, you know, from what
Speaker 1: I was doing, and the one I might be the
Speaker 1: most interested in is a kid named Andre Carter from Army. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: there's some people as an edge. Andre Carter's a six seven,
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty pound uh like say, he's he
Speaker 1: goes school at Army, and you know it's one of
Speaker 1: those things. This might be the first Army player that
Speaker 1: we have drafted in the first round in a long Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that veteran. You can absolutely as some of
Speaker 1: you can say that, and I knew you would appreciate this.
Speaker 1: This guy physically looks the part. I am. I am
Speaker 1: exciting Now. Army play. They play big time football. They
Speaker 1: play You know that you could see them playing games
Speaker 1: where it's good competition. It's not like that they're playing
Speaker 1: against lower level teams and this guy's making plays. But man,
Speaker 1: this guy physically looks the part and he's quick he's
Speaker 1: got to burst. He could get off the ball in
Speaker 1: a hurry, he could chase things down, he could finish.
Speaker 1: He had a couple of misses in the Navy game
Speaker 1: where it would have been a tackle for loss, but
Speaker 1: you know he was he was able to, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of rally from that. I just think he's a
Speaker 1: really disruptive guy, relentless, attitude, effort. And the last thing
Speaker 1: I used, I said this in my notes. I said
Speaker 1: this mental toughness and desire not an issue at all.
Speaker 1: He has done things in his life a lot harder
Speaker 1: than football, and I think that's where you got to
Speaker 1: look at these types of kids. There's something special about
Speaker 1: these service kids that play and do this, and because
Speaker 1: it's it's not there's Like I said, I'm excited for
Speaker 1: him because I feel like that both teams have good
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, good tackles in this game, like a Matthew
Speaker 1: bergeron I mentioned him from Syracuse. He's going to go
Speaker 1: up against some good offensive lineman. I hope he has
Speaker 1: a really really good week of practice because he could
Speaker 1: solidify his spot potentially of being a first round player
Speaker 1: out of the article. Yeah, really cool that he's going
Speaker 1: to even get a chance to do all this. Didn't
Speaker 1: they have to overturn like legislation. There's there's things, all
Speaker 1: kinds of things that depending on with with I know
Speaker 1: with President Biden and all these the Service Academy rules.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's a it's a lot of work.
Speaker 1: And but this kid, he deserves it. This kid deserves
Speaker 1: the opportunity to be evaluated and looked at. And I
Speaker 1: hope everybody makes the trip to West Point to see
Speaker 1: this kid because I think he's got something. I love
Speaker 1: the fact the Senior Bull brings guys in like this
Speaker 1: because I think he's legitimate. There's a list of guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could go through fIF teen guys that
Speaker 1: I absolutely love, but this is the one. I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how his week turns out. It's
Speaker 1: really cool at the at the Senior Bowl or you've
Speaker 1: been looking at Senior Bowl wise, so wide receiver, that's
Speaker 1: wide receivers, Rice, Rice. And part of it is because
Speaker 1: he is from he played for SMU. He's given Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley a run for his money at as far as
Speaker 1: his tenure down. They put out some much receivers now,
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton Daniel Sanders, Cole Beasley. Yeah, I the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: like you were talking about for the receivers, this is
Speaker 1: that time for these guys. This is one of these
Speaker 1: This is one of the times where you get to
Speaker 1: see obviously the best against the best. And I think
Speaker 1: this guy when we were talking about yesterday with what
Speaker 1: do you want in a receiver, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I want a short, eatermediate guy. He can do it all.
Speaker 1: He can do it all, and he's also I like
Speaker 1: the way he tracks the ball. He's he's so physical
Speaker 1: for his size. In my opinion, he's very physical. And
Speaker 1: again we talked about these corners and how they liked
Speaker 1: the jam at the line. A lot more DBA, a
Speaker 1: lot more defensive coordinators are playing press. You need a
Speaker 1: guy that can get his people's hands off of him
Speaker 1: and he fights for the ball. That's something that that's
Speaker 1: something that we've been looking for, and that's something that
Speaker 1: this Rob receiver Corp we talked about, we didn't always
Speaker 1: see consistently. So for me, I'm looking at him, I'm like,
Speaker 1: whoever gets him? If you need a QB friendly wide
Speaker 1: receiver that's going to fight back to the ball, is
Speaker 1: going to help out your guy in scramble, drill this
Speaker 1: this dude right here. And also he blocks incredibly well,
Speaker 1: especially on the perimeter to be his side. So he
Speaker 1: also plays with a chip on the shoulder. I think
Speaker 1: going to like an SMU kind of makes you feel
Speaker 1: like you have to play with that chip on your shoulder.
Speaker 1: But this gentleman right here is who I'm really looking
Speaker 1: for um. And I also feel like this could be
Speaker 1: somebody that the Cowboys maybe look at because he has
Speaker 1: that every level ability and he has yackability. Or you
Speaker 1: nailed this guy. You've freaking nailed this, freaking nail this play.
Speaker 1: I've never gotten serious. I was just reading my notes
Speaker 1: and I was going, yeah, yeah, yeah, this This guy
Speaker 1: is not bothered at all for where he has to
Speaker 1: go for the ball. He don't you don't. I mean
Speaker 1: it is, you don't care. He's gonna go get it.
Speaker 1: It's good, good call. And then you've got Zame Flowers
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily a senior Bowl guy, but he's kind of
Speaker 1: in that same love. He gave me a choice. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know Rice is bigger, but Zay Flowers is good.
Speaker 1: I watched him. I mean, you talk about it the
Speaker 1: start stop quickness. I mean, I mean it's like watching
Speaker 1: an NBA game when they're on that three point line
Speaker 1: and the and the guys go flying by kind of
Speaker 1: ducks and then the guy goes flying by and you
Speaker 1: hit the shot on a That's what Flowers does. He catches.
Speaker 1: I've never seen body that when it gets that tight
Speaker 1: in space that he just stops and everybody just goes
Speaker 1: shoot right by him and he goes here we go.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but he is he is good sable. I
Speaker 1: smell a pet cat coming. No, no, no, that smells no. No.
Speaker 1: I was welling the Flowers. He's right about the Boston
Speaker 1: College tape. I'm just saying that, right, but because my
Speaker 1: pet cat Cody Cody mok senior Bowl guy. But keep
Speaker 1: an eye on on Jalen Duncan, offensive tackle from Maryland. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's another guy you need to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: For sure. There's some really really really good defensive tackles
Speaker 1: in this game, and they're on the Well, it used
Speaker 1: to be North South, but it's the I think that's
Speaker 1: called National and somewhat is it now National American an
Speaker 1: American or something. I think the National or the American
Speaker 1: side when you're talking about Byron Young, Zach Pickens. Byron
Speaker 1: Young goes to school at Alabama, Zack Pickens goes to
Speaker 1: South Carolina. And then there's there's two Byron youngs. There's
Speaker 1: an Alabama Byron Young, and there's a Tennessee Byron Young.
Speaker 1: So you gotta kind of you gotta be when you're
Speaker 1: talking about Byron Young. You got two the boat playing
Speaker 1: in the game. We mentioned Will McDonald from Iowa State
Speaker 1: was a guy that I really really really really want
Speaker 1: to lanky edgecure right, and I talked about uh again,
Speaker 1: Matthew bergeron the Tackle from Syracuse, Luke Musgrave from Oregon
Speaker 1: stand we mentioned him, and then your guy Rice. Those
Speaker 1: were all names of guys that I was super super
Speaker 1: interested in seeing how they were going to play his
Speaker 1: local so I think he might be on people's radar anyway.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying about Rice is that, I mean,
Speaker 1: how easy is it to get to see a private
Speaker 1: workout with him as he here now. We were talking
Speaker 1: about veteran guys earlier too, about guys who had played
Speaker 1: a lot of football and then at done so at
Speaker 1: a high level. I want to I want to see
Speaker 1: what Jonathan Mingo out of Old Miss has wide receiver
Speaker 1: six two two twenty five. He put up good production,
Speaker 1: dealt with some injuries last year toward the back half
Speaker 1: when he had Matt Corralla quarterback. Then he comes back
Speaker 1: in this year, had eight hundred yards receiving in the SEC,
Speaker 1: was a second team All Conference player. He's going to
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. He'll be there. I'm interested to see
Speaker 1: because he's got the he's got the traits in the body,
Speaker 1: in the build, and we've seen guys have good production.
Speaker 1: Bring that veteran, that veteran experience of the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: But it's never gonna jump off the page. But then
Speaker 1: they stand out and they go to the NFL and
Speaker 1: they have success. Chase Klaybol is the first one that
Speaker 1: comes to mind when thinking that. A lot of people
Speaker 1: thought he was a glorified tight end going to Mobile
Speaker 1: and they're like, Ah, he's gonna he's gonna switch the
Speaker 1: tight end. He's gonna switch the tight end. Big guy,
Speaker 1: big body, goes up and gets it, had a great
Speaker 1: week in Mobile, gets drafted by the Steelers, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's one of the best receivers AFC.
Speaker 1: Did you change the narrative. I was gonna ask you,
Speaker 1: Keano Benton, defensive tackle from Wisconsin, did you do any
Speaker 1: notes on him? I took a couple of notes on him.
Speaker 1: I glanced at him last night before my dog had diarrhea.
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, so I glanced at him last night.
Speaker 1: Let me let me did you like the player? Yes?
Speaker 1: I like the player. I think he's gonna just go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead, yeah, six four, three hundred and fifteen pounds.
Speaker 1: This guy is big. I mean big in Wisconsin, and
Speaker 1: I mean to me, the quickness, the power, the active
Speaker 1: I mean, you were talking about potential defensive tackles Benton
Speaker 1: from Wisconsin. Though he doesn't have a lot of pass
Speaker 1: rush move we don't care, but he doesn't care because
Speaker 1: he does a good job of getting rid of blockers.
Speaker 1: You talk about playing with your hands, putting pressure on
Speaker 1: the quarterback. He's square through the play. You don't see
Speaker 1: him get turned or knocked off balance. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: there's This is strong enough to anchor down and hold
Speaker 1: the line. Really nice, stopping the goal line in Michigan
Speaker 1: State game. I love if you're talking about defensive line
Speaker 1: and defensive tackle to look back, give me a guy
Speaker 1: at six four, three hundred and fifteen pounds playing in
Speaker 1: the middle of that defensive one technique knows tackle type
Speaker 1: of guy. Not to your point where you mentioned like
Speaker 1: he can't pass rush, I said, I don't care, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think that's a mistake. Not a mistake, but
Speaker 1: I think that's something that this uh that's been lately
Speaker 1: from the DT position, is that you've been looking for
Speaker 1: guys who have some pass rush ability but they can
Speaker 1: play DT. And I feel like that's kind of we saw.
Speaker 1: I think you saw that in some of the run
Speaker 1: defense and stuff. Is you got guys that can get
Speaker 1: up field on this team, but I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: you have guys that can hold blocks consistently and eat
Speaker 1: up blocks so other guys can be free. I think
Speaker 1: this team in particular has enough um speed. I mean,
Speaker 1: even if you want to add to it in d NS,
Speaker 1: you want a guy that can hold it down in
Speaker 1: the middle and just do that and that's okay. You
Speaker 1: want to eat up space, You've tried to occupy that
Speaker 1: with John Ridgeway, Quentin Bohannah, Jonathan Hankins. Now, kid's a
Speaker 1: good player, man, I mean you mentioned his name. I
Speaker 1: had to mention because he was. He was a guy
Speaker 1: that wrote down in my notes he's athletic. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: is to beat to beat size, I mean, and when
Speaker 1: you say athletic, he's athletic enough to take on blocks
Speaker 1: of ship to ship and actually make the tackle. It's
Speaker 1: not just gonna trash can full of dirt. He's gonna move, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna move, but he's not moving up. Nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with the trash can full of dirt, nothing wrong with it. Uh.
Speaker 1: Probably the highest rated player on a national scale. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that's what we're talking about in here, but
Speaker 1: national scale to be at the Senior Bowl, Tyree Wilson,
Speaker 1: outside linebacker edge rusher from Texas Tech. A lot of
Speaker 1: people like him. Yeah, in the top half of the
Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, what have you seen from him? In
Speaker 1: your tape, Brian, have you watched him yet? I mean,
Speaker 1: she was talking about Will Anderson, and I'm thinking, I
Speaker 1: wonder if Will Anderson's really the best player on this
Speaker 1: at least Tyree Wilson. I'm just I'm just saying, man
Speaker 1: to me, when I watched this kid play and it
Speaker 1: was just it was relentless. It was down after down
Speaker 1: the way he was just attacking, you know, and this,
Speaker 1: I mean he's six six, two seventy five. He's listed
Speaker 1: as a linebacker. He's gonna play end in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's gonna win the shop. He was a Texas A
Speaker 1: and m transfer to his power strength he was. I
Speaker 1: mean the ball carrier comes at and bumped down one hand.
Speaker 1: I mean he pushed blockers into the backfield easily. He'll
Speaker 1: stand up, He'll put his hand in the dirt. He
Speaker 1: comes off the ball and control blockers upper body strength.
Speaker 1: He's really a good job of finding the ball. When
Speaker 1: they talk about get up the field, retrace your steps,
Speaker 1: go back, can charge the corner, work around it, dip,
Speaker 1: there's a I mean that gays six six two seventy
Speaker 1: five doing all that stuff. But I think that's why
Speaker 1: I think, I really think that tackles have trouble because
Speaker 1: his pad level. So I think they have trouble getting
Speaker 1: their hands on him and just holding up because he
Speaker 1: I think his center of gravity, he's really good to
Speaker 1: ballast is nasty. And when you look at that, I
Speaker 1: think sometimes when I was watching him, there are times
Speaker 1: he looked like he was beat. Yeah, but he can
Speaker 1: get people off of him. His band is nice. See,
Speaker 1: I bet I love what she just said to because
Speaker 1: he's because he's I think there's some violence to his game.
Speaker 1: I really really do. I think there's some violence to
Speaker 1: that body right there. He was originally tabbed as the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl as a Senior Bowl invite and a Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl roster guy. I don't see him on the website
Speaker 1: right now. He may have backed out so well, we
Speaker 1: got to talk about he's a heck of a player.
Speaker 1: Tyrie Wilson, Texas TA. He may have said, uh oh,
Speaker 1: I'll let my tape speak for itself. I'll let that
Speaker 1: thing happen and then we'll go into it. But that's
Speaker 1: gonna do it for us today on the Draft Show.
Speaker 1: Good week, guys. That was a fun first two episodes
Speaker 1: about that. We will be back on Wednesday to break
Speaker 1: down what we've seen from some of the practices as
Speaker 1: well along the way. Lots of fun to talk about
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and what we see in mobile. But
Speaker 1: we'll be back Wednesday and Thursday to break it all
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