1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is not They called 6 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: producer Paul Mission controlled decades. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Today, fellow conspiracy realists, we 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: are going underground. Literally, if you live in almost any city, 11 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: you probably already have some sense of just how much 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: stuff is beneath the surface, invisible, either by accident, negligence, 13 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: or in some cases by design. I am full disclosure 14 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: exploring a subterranean area near me A stay tuned for 15 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: updates on that. But that that got me thinking. I 16 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: think this was on our collective minds for quite some time. 17 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: You know, you think about what's underground. You think subway tunnels, 18 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: sewage lines, catacombs, maybe government bunkers, and in some cases 19 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: entire neighborhoods lay abandoned beneath the dirt. In today's episode, 20 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,919 Speaker 1: we're exploring the story of one of those mysterious structures. 21 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: In particular, it's part of a local legend in Springfield, Missouri, 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: the so called Vampire Tunnels. But first, everyone, if you're 23 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: in a safe place, if you're not driving or whatnot, 24 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: or on a plane, look down. What do you think 25 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: is beneath your feet? What do you think is under 26 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: the surface? Here are the facts. There's an entire world 27 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: down there. Yeah, no doubt. And I know we're all 28 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: uh totally losing our minds with Elden Rang. And I 29 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: just found this area and Elden Rang, you go into 30 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: this temple thing and then is this platform with mystical 31 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: shimmers on the side, and it just goes and goes 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: and goes and just keeps going down, down, down, down down, 33 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: until there's this gorgeous subterranean world occupied by these like 34 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: barnacle covered, whispy spear bearers who one shot kill you 35 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: the moment you try to just take a look around 36 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: and take in all the beauty. But it's sure is 37 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: pretty and and creepy and terrifying. Oh yes, it's very difficult, 38 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: are you. Good luck to you, sir, Thank you sir, um. 39 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, to your point, Ben, it's underneath most urban areas, 40 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: most cities. I was joking about where I am because 41 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm just in a house kind of in the suburbs 42 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: of Atlanta that does have a crawl space which is underground, 43 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: and there's earth thown there. It's weird and kind of creepy. 44 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: But in most urban spaces, especially if you're in the city, 45 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: it's weird to think how much of an iceberg the 46 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, what do they call it? The top streets 47 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: or the what is it in London? The high streets 48 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: like how the street? Oh yeah, especially in place as 49 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: old as London. Yeah, Europe is Europe and the Middle 50 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: East are chock full of these hidden hidden areas, you know, 51 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: and they're they're bigger than Elden Ring to. Honestly, I 52 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: gotta say, I don't know how many people one shot 53 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: you down there, but you do need to be careful. 54 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: We get so used to the compidous grind of human 55 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: activity on the surface on those high streets. We see 56 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: it in the air. The air is chock full of 57 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: towering structures. They're aircraft everywhere, But beneath it all there 58 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: is an often ignored substructure, superstructure, and they're all around 59 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: the world. The US has a China, Turkey has a 60 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: ton uh, South America, Europe, the rest of Asia, the 61 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: Middle East. People have been building these things since before 62 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: the dawn of the written word, and it makes a 63 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: lot of sense because think about it, you're you're humans 64 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: in the early days of the human fad, and you 65 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: need protection from the elements and from other hostile organisms, 66 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: so it makes sense to go to ground. Caves are 67 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: like houses that have already been made for you, so 68 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: you can just expand on those. Some are so so 69 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: incredibly old, like catal hook Uh in modern day Turkey. 70 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: We're not Turkish speakers, so part of our pronunciation there. 71 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: Check out our episode from more on that no spoilers, 72 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: is very freaky and we think we may have figured 73 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: out part of why it was built, but uh, we 74 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: might have to do an update on that one, depending 75 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: on when the world is Yeah, and I mean, you know, 76 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: much like say the catacombs in Paris or a lot 77 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: of these subterranean tunnels underneath London. Uh. Many of these 78 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: are the result of several phases, multiple phases of building 79 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: of construction that often can happen for different reasons throughout 80 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: history and You're people are just building on top of 81 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: things that pre existed and like used to serve a purpose, 82 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: like the catacombs in Paris again, which are like you know, 83 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: we're burial sites. Um. And as we know, I believe 84 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: it was in Paris that a lot of that stuff 85 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: started to come up, Uh, it started to become unearthed, 86 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, due to like water, um, drainage or lack thereof, 87 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: like in the soil. And so there was a real 88 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: issue with having to dig up all those bones that 89 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: were just coming out of the earth and shove them 90 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: all in a different place where they wouldn't you know, 91 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: come back to life, but where one generation might establish 92 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: basic structures, later generations will continue to, like I said, 93 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: build on top of it. Um. That results in something 94 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: like a kind of you know, preserved time capsule left 95 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: over underground. Yes, you can see the story of a 96 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: city's evolution, you know, because all cities started out as 97 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:53,119 Speaker 1: encampments basically based on geography or necessity, and only later 98 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: did they become the New York's or really the the 99 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: European capitals in the African city of note and and 100 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: just to apply it to a lot of to a 101 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: big theme of this episode, a lot of those encampments 102 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: start right near a water source, and that has a 103 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: lot to do with what's going on in this episode today. 104 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: Just like just like the excellent Civilization series, you want 105 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: to start your first city close to water if you 106 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: can swing it. And that's that's based on what real 107 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: life ancient cultures did. And you know, when I've I 108 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: think we've talked about this off air before, but it's 109 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: something that fascinates me about a city like Atlanta. Atlanta, 110 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: even back when it was terminus, is such an anomalous 111 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: thing for a city of its size because it's not 112 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: near a big navigable water source. What would have been 113 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: the water source has been replaced first by rail and 114 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: then by you know, the world's busiest airport. So it's fascinating. 115 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if it is if it's sustainable in 116 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: the long term, but I guess that's depends on how 117 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: you want to define long term. Uh, let's talk a 118 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: little bit about all right. So I have I have brief, 119 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: ill fated personal experience with the largest official underground structure 120 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: of this sort. It's in Montreal. It could be called 121 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: an underground city. In fact, that's literally what its name 122 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: is uh, it's laville. Uh, pardon of the French speakers. 123 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: This is not a secret hideout for a relict population 124 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: of mole people or anything that sinister. Actually, I've got 125 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: a lot of nice restaurants. Uh. It's a vast series 126 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: of all these interconnected shopping centers, underground businesses, residential complexes 127 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: like apartment areas, hotels, even office towers are part of this. 128 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: And we're talking over twenty miles of tunnels, over four 129 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: and a half mile square miles of area. And this 130 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: if like, it's easy to get into as well, because 131 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: again it's not secret, it's not classified, it's public knowledge. 132 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: People go there every day. Some he might be in 133 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: Montreal listening to this show in this underground city now, 134 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: because it's that big. There are more than a hundred 135 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: and twenty known entry points, not county metro station entrances. 136 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: But we just want to give you a sense of 137 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: the scale here in terms of timeline and in terms 138 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: of sheer size. But today's episode is not about Montreal's 139 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: underground city, nor is it about Beijing's underground city, which 140 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: is a whole other thing. Both of them are fascinating, 141 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: they're not particularly citister anymore so than your average city 142 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: would be. But rumor has it there is something weird 143 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: going on underground in spring Filled, Missouri. The story starts 144 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: with something called Jordan's Creek home. So the legend says 145 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: to vampires, here's where it gets crazy. Now before we 146 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: dive in, Matt, this is what in particular that's been 147 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: on the docket for years and years and years. And uh, 148 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: I can't remember when we first talked about it was 149 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: the YouTube days. It might have been the YouTube days. 150 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: I want to say, a listener let us know about this. 151 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: At some point wrote to us, sent us a voicemail 152 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: or something like that, and it was a story I 153 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: think they had seen on Reddit about Jordan Creek in 154 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: a particular part of it that is covered. So let's 155 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit, a little bit more about Springfield, 156 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: Missouri and Jordan Creek and why it's important. Have you 157 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: guys been to Springfield, No, Matt, I haven't, no. Never. 158 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: It's it has some great outdoors stuff, it has some 159 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: museums that are quite enjoy It's not the biggest city 160 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: in Missouri, it's the third largest. And this is very 161 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: it's very much a Midwestern city in a Midwestern state, 162 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: and the population is right now, it's a little bit 163 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: under seventy thousand people. So it is definitely a city, 164 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily on par with you know, your 165 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: Chicago's or your New York's. But still, like in in place, 166 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: it has problems. It has some long standing racial disparity 167 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: intention but that's pretty much every city in the US. 168 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: You know, if you associate with something, A lot of 169 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: people when they think of Missouri, they think of barbecue. 170 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: They might think of Uncle Tupelo, maybe Wilco. They might 171 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: think of bass Pro shops if you like to fish, 172 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: their headquartered in Missouri. But I I don't. I don't 173 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: think a lot of us hear the word Missouri or 174 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: Springfield and immediately go boom vampires. Unless I'm wrong, unless 175 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: I just wasn't talking to the right people in Springfield. No, 176 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: you I've only been to St. Louis. I didn't see 177 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: the vampires there, so I can only speak to St. Louis. Well, 178 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's just a weird thing about the title 179 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: of this episode. In the title of this I would 180 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: say a lot of people don't associate creeks or underground 181 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: water flow with vampires. But it's something that we've got 182 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: going on here apparently. Dude, that is such a good 183 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: point because anybody who's familiar with the old, the old 184 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: Western and Central European derived stories of vampires, you know 185 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: that running water is a big deal breaker for those guys. 186 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: They can't in many cases, they can't cross it. And 187 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: that we can one day do a show if we 188 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: haven't yet, about the evolution of vampire myths. It's it's fascinating, 189 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: it's super old. But you make such an excellent point there, man, 190 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: because it would be one of the last places that 191 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: a a typical vampire according to Western folklore, would like 192 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: to reside. But uh yeah, Jordan Creek is home to 193 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: this vampire myth, and this vampire myth is um something 194 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: we have to dive into. So if you go back 195 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: in the early history of the land that is called Missouri, 196 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: now you know, thousands and thousands and thousands of years 197 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: before Europeans arrived in this area, it was home to 198 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: multiple Native American populations, the Kickapoo, the Lena, as well 199 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: as the O sage. This was home to. This area 200 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: is home to what Europeans would later called Jordan's creek, 201 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: and it's a creek system that today runs beneath modern 202 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: day Springfield. And this is there's another interesting Atlantic comparison 203 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: here because the building we've been in for a long time, 204 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: m Pons the Leon Avenue, has an underground stream that 205 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: feeds into a cistern hidden in the tower and it 206 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: was paved over back in the day. The street is 207 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: named Ponts to lay on because long time ago, someone 208 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: was ripping off people by saying they had discovered the 209 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: Fountain of Youth and it was this stream, uh and 210 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: that you know, they sold, they sold a fake cure 211 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: for anything that ails you for like a nickel or 212 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: something or whatever the script was at the time. And 213 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: this and in Springfield, this creek is the reason that 214 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: people settled in this area. It was I believe one 215 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: family that moved in started like settled on that creek 216 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: or right around that creek in the area that now 217 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: has downtown Springfield in it, and then just a civil 218 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: or a town I guess arose from that from that family. Yeah, 219 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: towns like a mini civilization. And around that area you 220 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: also have these small caves that are along the side 221 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: of the creek, which is going to be an important 222 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: part of the story. A bit later. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 223 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: it's it's important part of the early story, and it's 224 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: important part of the legend. Right, So these things are true. 225 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: There is a Jordan Creek there. There are a were 226 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: a series of small caves that were along the sides 227 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: of this creek. Like you said, Noel as more bor 228 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 1: Europeans and European American settlers moved into this area. In 229 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds, construction kicked into high gear. One thing 230 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: I didn't uh when that, I didn't put in the 231 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: notes here, but I gotta tell you, guys, because it's 232 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: so ridiculous. The town is named Springfield. There's a legend 233 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: about this. Apparently the town is named Springfield because there 234 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: was a vote over what they should call this town 235 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: when they decided to make it a permanent thing, and 236 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: one guy who was from Springfield, Massachusetts, said, let's name 237 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: it after my hometown. Uh, And anybody who votes from 238 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: my idea, I'll give you whiskey. So also a little 239 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: bit of the history of rigging elections. I hadn't heard that. 240 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: It's so funny how tales of the history of a 241 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: town like that exists. What I had heard is that 242 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: the one of the original settlers noticed, like within the 243 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: field there was this little um access to a very 244 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: deep well, and they called it the springfield. And again, 245 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: I feel like you could there's so many springfields. As 246 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: you say, that probably happens pretty frequently. People have the 247 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: same idea, all all those great minds thinking alike, well 248 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: it is it is true. I believe that one of 249 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: those founding families did settle purposely in a specific spot 250 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: because they found a natural spring. So let let us know. 251 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: I I like the rigged whiskey vote just because it's 252 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: a fun story, but either way, I either way, people 253 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: were pretty loose with how they named towns as as 254 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: Europeans expanded into what would later become the United States. 255 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: Send us your favorite weird town name there there are 256 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: thousands already. The very first developers of the town did 257 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: something really cool. They used those pre existing caves as 258 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: a kind of early hv A C system or really 259 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: just a C system, because the subterranean air was cooler 260 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: and they could channel that cold cave air into surface buildings. Uh, 261 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: there's a theater that's an example of this in town. 262 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: Is one of the first air conditioned buildings in Springfield, 263 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: and so this construction boom occurs, and it starts to 264 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: lead to trouble the roofs of the buildings that are 265 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: you know, being constructed willy nearly across the entire area. 266 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: Every time it rains, they're funneling increasingly large amounts of 267 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: water into the creek, and floods become a regular thing. 268 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: You know this because newspaper articles from the mid eight 269 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: hundreds are always talking about it. Flooding is going crazy. 270 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: There's not really a garbage collection system at this point either, 271 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: So every time it rains, uh, the creek doesn't just 272 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: flood with water, It floods with filth, animal waste, you know, uh, 273 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: byproducts of the livestock industry, human fecal matter. It's everywhere, 274 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: and the townsfolk are getting getting pretty fed up with this. 275 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: Rump for rump for rump. Something must be done. They 276 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: came up with the idea of burying the creek alive. 277 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm being a little bit overly poetic, but not much. 278 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: They wanted to cap it. They wanted to cover it 279 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: such that when it flooded, it would just go essentially 280 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: through a big pipe instead of you know, throwing poop 281 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: all over the town. Well, it's also it was thought 282 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: to be a way to kind of protect the creek 283 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: from all the debris and stuff coming from civilization in 284 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: that downtown area. Right, So if you if you cap it, 285 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: you cover it with a tunnel, then that debris is 286 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: gonna at least sit on top of the concrete structure 287 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: rather than seeping into the water, which could be great 288 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: less pollution in your water source. I like that. So 289 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: let's uh, let's see what did they do. Did they 290 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: actually do it? Then? Uh? Yeah, guys, they did it. 291 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: Uh they spring into action, not a spring joke promise. 292 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: And they built these tunnels that they called boxes, so 293 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: they enclosed sections of the creek and ease This series 294 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: of boxes originally was about two thirds of a mile 295 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: starting at Water Street and Main Avenue going east leading 296 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: to where the creek went to the James River. And 297 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: after this construction, you've got what Tim Hidecker would call 298 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: free real estate. The boxes get paved over, people build structures, 299 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: they build actual buildings on top of this this paved area. 300 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: So really, the more I think about it, it's it's 301 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: not crazy to say the creek was buried alive because 302 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: they genuinely did build a new structure as the topic. 303 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: But isn't that kind of like a bit of a 304 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: dodgy foundation to build a whole new set of structures on. 305 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's some serious pilings in there, some bedrock, 306 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: the metal and stuff from concrete. I don't know. It 307 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:55,479 Speaker 1: looks pretty strong to me. But that's not the only 308 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: tunnel that we're gonna talk about today. There's another tunnel, 309 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: another tunnel game in town, as you say, Ben, a 310 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: place called the Springfield Underground. I love a good underground 311 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: m hmm. This is this is a cool and you 312 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: can find Yeah, you can find a lot of neat 313 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: stuff about this First. It's huge and just like the 314 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: Jordan Creek, it did not start as an underground thing. 315 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: It was an open pit limestone quarry back in forty nine, 316 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: and they started digging tunnels in nineteen fifty four to 317 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: create open space storage space essentially that would later pave 318 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: the way for a bunch of underground facilities and these 319 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: are still active. Like truckers go into Springfield Underground. Yeah, 320 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: it's huge. I mean, we can't I can't tell you 321 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: how huge it is, Like just for incidence right now, 322 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: if you had the Springfield Underground dot com and you're 323 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: in need of some cold storage, so not freezing cold, 324 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: but around what they call ambient sixty two degrees fahrenheit. Uh, 325 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: you can right now at least a hundred and fourteen 326 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: thousand square feet from Springfield Underground. Again, a hundred and 327 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: fourteen thousand square feet. As of nine it was three 328 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: point two million square feet of space under all underground, 329 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: right and all at that nice cavernous temperature. Uh. You 330 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: can find this on Google Maps. The address is thirty 331 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: six ten East Kearney Street. Apparently it's just east of 332 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: US sixty. But that's again that's not a secret. It 333 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: is huge. It is Uh, it is huge enough to 334 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: be suspicious. You'll find some truckers who wonder whether it 335 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: is used for military purposes or whether it has been 336 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: in the past, because it looks like it would be 337 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: a good bunker. Honestly, but it looks like an amazing bunker. 338 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: My goodness. Can you can you imagine? Uh, you'd be 339 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: protected from all the elements. It would be tough to 340 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: really get a food so source going down there, unless 341 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: you had some excellent lights. Maybe you know those lights 342 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: that will help you grow hydroponics. You could live off 343 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: the largesse of craft foods because they were their second 344 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: people in that space, or the second company who was 345 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: their first refrigerated space. But okay, so we're establishing this. 346 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: So another another true thing we have established. There's a 347 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on beneath the surface in Springfield, Missouri. 348 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: But the question we have it answered yet is uh, 349 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: what's up with the vampires? Will pause for word from 350 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: our sponsor. We'll take a bite out of this story. 351 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: The story is not all gonna work. All right, we've returned. 352 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: Here's the crux of the story. What gives with the vampires? 353 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: You know, every town earth it's salt. Shout out to 354 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: Mark Landsky, author the book Salt readid if you haven't yet, 355 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: Every town has its own local legends. Like if you 356 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: grew up near Lake Laniar, you've heard tons of legends 357 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: about that lake. And you know, Matt, I'm sure you 358 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: would you had encountered some of those growing up nearby, right, Yeah, absolutely, 359 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: the the town that was flooded or the whole the 360 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: large swath of land that was flooded to create Lake Linear, 361 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: which included a town and true story in Church and 362 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: where people used to live before it was flooded. Uh yeah, 363 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: and every year people go missing in Lake Lanar. Quite often. 364 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: You get a nice mixture of debris at the bottom 365 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: of that lake which is very murky, and you know 366 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: plant life that you can get tangled up in with 367 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: those actual human structures. With the tendency for people to 368 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: drink when they go out on boats, seems a rife 369 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: for a spooky story or film. Yeah, and no, I'm 370 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: sure Augusta has many local like legends or urban legends 371 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: or rumors as well. Right, can you recall any well, 372 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure there was some awful white people that did 373 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: some murders. Oh yeah, if you dig deep enough. Yeah yeah, 374 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: And I don't know. But you know what, that's not true. 375 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: There is a haunted pillar in Augusta. It's just a pillar. 376 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: I don't remember the story behind it, but it is 377 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: referred to collectively as the Haunted Pillar. And some friends 378 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: of mine actually had a small little record label they 379 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: named after that back in the nineties. So that's that's 380 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: the That's the only truly urban legend that I can 381 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: think of based in Augusta. And the point stands every 382 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: every place has its own collection. It's part of the 383 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: fabric that binds a human community together. This legend of 384 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: vampires living in the tunnels beneath Springfield. Though it's it's 385 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: fascinating because it's actually pretty recent. It dates back not 386 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: to some ancient myth, but instead to a specific news 387 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: article from two thousand seven in the Springfield News Leader. 388 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: At this point, we want to introduce you to a 389 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: student named Lacalia Wiggins. She was fifteen years old at 390 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: the time of this story, and she was a brilliant 391 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: kid who was a young prodigy getting an early start 392 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: at a place called Drury University. And she was kind 393 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: of bookish, right, as a lot of a lot of 394 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: brilliant kids are. But she wanted to fit in, you know. 395 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: She wanted to be part of the in crowd, like 396 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: a lot of kids do. She want to have friends. 397 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: And this weird series of circumstances lead her going to 398 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: a library that she wouldn't normally go to. Her math 399 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: tutor class had been canceled, or her appointment when the 400 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: matth two had been canceled. So she went to a 401 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: place called the Midtown Carnie D. Branch of the Springfield Library. 402 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: And she thought she'd run into some people she knew, 403 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: but instead she met a group of new people who 404 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: would become her new friends. They apparently had a heck 405 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: of a lot of revelations to drop on her. They 406 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: asked her several odd questions. We're not sure what they 407 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: specifically asked her, and then eventually they mentioned she might 408 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: be a vampire, but not just a vampire. According to 409 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: this story, they told her that perhaps in another life 410 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: or previous life, she had been a vampire queen. She 411 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: was in charge of stuff. Oh and she was a vampire, 412 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: remember remember that part? Um So, this is, you know, 413 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: a new group of people that are just kind of 414 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: telling her things. It's a bit weird, right. I'm trying 415 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: to imagine myself in that situation, Like, how would I 416 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: feel if I just met a new group of people 417 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: and they're telling me that It would feel probably quite flattering, 418 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: kind of exciting. But I imagine there's quite a bit 419 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: of skepticist them that could go into that conversation. Um So, 420 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: but what happened after this encounter? Yeah, you have to 421 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: ask yourself if someone is a vampire, why are they 422 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: out during the day, Why are they not you know, 423 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: suffering horrible reactions to religious iconic iconography or or garlic 424 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: or whatever. Apparently it's because she needed to be awakened. 425 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: That's that's when she would realize her past life as 426 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: a vampire queen. I'm also interested in the escalation there um. 427 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: They said, whatever was happening, they gave her a bit 428 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: of a hard cell. They needed to awaken her soon 429 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: because a grand reckoning was imminent, a looming war between 430 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: the forces of good and the powers of evil. And 431 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: as a vampire, she's on the powers of good. Unclear, 432 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: we are the good vampires. We have the white hat 433 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: vampires of Springfields. So for the next two months, Lacy 434 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: would hang around with these folks. They had their own 435 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: little clubhouse kind of situation, a little hideaway in the 436 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: tunnels underneath the city. Uh. And she'd learn about vampiric 437 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: folklore and even watch some of the group's members, about 438 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: twenty or so strong, um, cut themselves and drink, at 439 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: the very least taste lick each other's blood. Uh. And 440 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: a lot of the folks in this group kind of 441 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: consider themselves a bit of a clan almost, or a 442 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: kind of a cultic kind of situation. They were similar 443 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: ages or a little bit younger. UM. A lot of 444 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: them came from um, you know, kind of rough backgrounds, 445 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: their street kids, UM. And there were a few older 446 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: members and the leader of the group was a guy 447 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: in his twenties and Lacalia believe the members of the 448 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 1: clan were associated with street level non vampiric crime, almost 449 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: like a Fagan and Oliver twists and like Lost Boys 450 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: kind of situations. Actually, the what I'm thinking about, it's 451 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: very like the the Joel Schumacher Lost Boys kind of scenario, 452 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: live underneath the city doing crimes, not necessarily vampire crimes, 453 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: and not entirely the same time, similar vibe. I wonder 454 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: if they were with the Jackinson Red Sweet motorcycles. Yeah, 455 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: it reminds me of street kids, you know, traveling kids. 456 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: For anybody who's been in the traveler community, the age, 457 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: the age discrepancy is red flag honestly because in those 458 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: this has all the makings of a cult based on 459 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: the information we have now a space c u l 460 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: T not o c c u l T a cult 461 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: as the basis of it so far, but we've gotta 462 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: have a record scratch at this point. Perfect. This sounds 463 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: like a lot already. Right, this sounds like maybe it 464 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: could be exaggerated because so far they just have the 465 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: word of the kid, who is a minor at this time. 466 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: Journalists investigating this story thought so too. So they checked 467 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: around and we just want to jump outside of time here, 468 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: outside a linear narrative for a bit, and confirmed that 469 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: they did check with Lcalia's mother, one Latania Wiggins. She's uh, 470 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: she was a local first grade school teacher, and she 471 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: she confirmed this and more. And then she said she'd 472 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: also been suspended from her job just for telling her 473 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: coworkers about this story. So that's that's a weird shutdown. 474 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: And whenever you have some kind of shut down on 475 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: a story like that, it just feeds speculation. It's pouring 476 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: gasoline onto the fire. But the investigators also, just for 477 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: the record, they went to the place Lacalia told them 478 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: about and they found something in the Jordan Creek drainage tunnel. Yeah. 479 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: Surprisingly and maybe not surprisingly, they found evidence that people 480 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: were living there, some people, not sure who it was, 481 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: just signs of almost an encampment or something. And just 482 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: pause here for one moment. There's a YouTube video you 483 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: can watch, Ben that I think you found. It was 484 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: linked in an article here from that same news site, 485 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: where it's just a kid at night going through the 486 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: tunnels and looking. And there's this one particular place where 487 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: I've seen rumors that that this is the place where 488 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: kids were living or somebody was living, which is now 489 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: barred off and you can't access it anymore. But this 490 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: is the same thing that these investigators at the time found. Yeah, 491 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: and if you've ever been to like a hobo jungle 492 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: or crash pad, you know, you know the look. It's 493 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff strewn around, you know, cast off 494 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: furniture in tents and things. And uh, Localia did say 495 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: that members of what they called the Clan with a 496 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: C would live there every so often or on and off, 497 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: you know, come and go, just kind of like a 498 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: punk house, like a gutter punk house. And as a result, 499 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: the group just called this squat the house not a 500 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: vampire joke. But Lacalia was mesmerized and things started to 501 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: reach a climactic point as Halloween loomed on the horizon. 502 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: She ran away from her mother's house, and when Lacalia's mom, Latania, 503 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: quitn't find her, like any any parent, she understandably panicked. 504 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: She filed a missing person's report with the local p D. 505 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: At this point, we do have to pause here because 506 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: whenever we mentioned filing a missing person's report, we need 507 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: to bust a very dangerous myth. This is this is 508 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: hugely important, folks. If you have a loved one or 509 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: someone you care about, or just someone you know and 510 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: there and they have gone missing and you are expecting them, 511 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: you do not have to wait twenty four hours to 512 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: file a missing person's report. You should not wait twenty 513 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: four hours like do it as soon as you think 514 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: something is seriously amiss, because of those twenty four hours 515 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: can make a world of difference in the likelihood of 516 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: you finding that person. It's a really excellent point and also, 517 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: I mean a little suspicious if someone waits that long. No, 518 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: the trope is that the police would force you to 519 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: wait that long. Yeah. Unfortunately a lot of crime fiction 520 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: has ruined that for people. Um and then you know, 521 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: people say, oh, I don't want to bug the police 522 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: unless there's something seriously wrong. But the truth of the 523 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: matter is that is a myth. So hop on it 524 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: if you have concerns, And this time it worked. Police 525 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: did find Lecalia later that evening, she and her new 526 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: vampiric or pseudo of vampiric friends, we're going to Reportedly, 527 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna buy some scissors and ritualistically cut her hair. 528 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: They were going to go to an your by cemetery 529 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: and they have this ceremony that would awaken the vampire 530 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: queen within her. But the police caught wind of it, 531 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: and they preemptively kind of head them off at the 532 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: pass and nipped them in the bud whichever wouldn't you 533 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: prefer um. Lacalia was returned to her home, and although 534 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: she did cooperate with police, Lacalia was apparently pretty hostile 535 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: to her parents when she came home. She doesn't exactly 536 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: strike me as the most mellow youth. She referred to 537 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: her parents using this as a term of abuse as humans. 538 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: She hissed, she spat um. She eventually began to see 539 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: a counselor, which is probably the right move, um, And thankfully, 540 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: after a little bit of time, you know, speaking to 541 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: this person, she started to return back to her normal personality. 542 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: But that's when some new wrinkles started to present themselves 543 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: in the form of death threats. Did we talk about 544 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: what the actual ritual was supposed to be. Not yet 545 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: it uh. It culminates in a nightmare for anybody with 546 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: hygiene issues because this this ceremony probably involved some you know, 547 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,720 Speaker 1: some high fluting language right to build out the mythos 548 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: of the group depending on what they were doing, and 549 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: there are questions about that too, But it culminated in 550 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 1: having you, as the initiate, drink the blood of someone 551 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: who identified as a vampire, and then having them drink 552 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: your blood and return. So that's not not good hygiene. No, 553 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: it's super doesn't seem like that much of a ritual, 554 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: right don't you usually have to die to become a vampire? Well, 555 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: they're they're they're there, they're styling on it a little bit. 556 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: I mean, this is sort of this is some and 557 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: rice level ritualistic behavior. I would say from the outside 558 00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 1: looking in, it feels maybe a bit performative and edgy. 559 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: But everybody's everybody has been a teenager. Most people have 560 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: been a teenager at some point, so this gets series though. 561 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: The death threats are coming in their anonymous notes saying 562 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: you know your tongue will be cut out for betraying 563 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: the clan, and strangers were sending like people she could 564 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 1: probably guess who they were, but uh, strangers were sending 565 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: death threats. And this, this story, this whole series of 566 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: events we've just outlined, is what brought the idea of 567 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 1: the Vampire Tunnels to larger public attention. But how much 568 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: of this is actually true? We're gonna pause for word 569 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: from our sponsors and return to the story of the 570 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: Vampire Tunnels, and we're back with more on the Vampire 571 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 1: Tunnels of Springfield, Miss area of then you posed before 572 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: the break. How much of this is true? Well, one 573 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: thing we do know is true. The tunnels themselves and 574 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: the area where this group, this clan had their will hideaway, 575 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: the referred to as the House. Can you describe the 576 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: way that looked, Ben, I think we can. Let's let's 577 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,720 Speaker 1: crowdsources a crowd of three. So yeah, So the tunnels 578 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: are very real and that area they were in that 579 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: we described as looking like a crash pad for people 580 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: who did have permanent living situations. Uh, it was. It's 581 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: still underground, but it's it's removed from the drainage area, right. 582 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? Matt? I think you saw 583 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: the same videos. Yeah. What I what I saw was 584 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: that this place would be safe if there was flooding, 585 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: or at least safer if there was flooding within the drainage, 586 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: because you can kind of see where the walls go up, 587 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: and then this part is between the ceiling concrete within 588 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: the tunnel and within the kind of a I don't know, 589 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: I guess you would call it the top of the 590 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: tops of the walls. It looks to me like where 591 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: some structure has been built on top of these tunnels, 592 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 1: and this is like the underneath of that building, almost 593 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: like a crawl space area that's kind of accessible to 594 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: go into from the tunnels. You guys, you've you've both 595 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: seen The Lost Boys. I mean, I can't not picture 596 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: the Lost Boys hang out beneath the streets of San 597 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: Dimas you know, We're star and Uh and all the 598 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: other guys that with our buddy Alex Winter sporting an 599 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: amazing uh kind of a white boy Jerry Curl in 600 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: that film, and of course Keefer and Jason Patrick. But 601 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: that's what I'm picturing. Yeah, I was thinking of the 602 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: Lost Boy references as well looking into this. I'll tell 603 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: you what the Lost Boys hang out in that film 604 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: is uh an order of magnitude more extravagant and cool. 605 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: This is definitely this is definitely like a hidden crass 606 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: face kind of area. But it's pretty big. It's not 607 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: your average, you know, ranch home crawl space. Don't think 608 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: of it that way. You can stand up, you can 609 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,439 Speaker 1: walk around, but yeah, but the that part is real. 610 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: And Lakalia's stepfather, a guy named David Morton, came back 611 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 1: to that area. He went with a couple of folks 612 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: after his stepdaughter left the group or the clan. He 613 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: came there to get her backpack and he said, quote, 614 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: it was strange. This is when he's speaking to the paper. 615 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: He says, you go back there and there's graffiti with 616 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 1: whatever weird stuff. It's pitch black. When we were there, 617 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: there were probably ten to twelve transient street kids up there, 618 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: so it's also not much of a secret in town. 619 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: I'd like to give a big shout out to this 620 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: awesome forum called underground Ozark's go to underground Ozark's all 621 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: one word dot com. There's a great resource for urban 622 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: exploration in the area, and folks on this forum are 623 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: very well aware of the tunnel. They even it even 624 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: has an exciting nickname, Hill's Church. But it's very tongue 625 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: in cheek, and I think that's specifically the area we're 626 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: talking about that we're describing the house the room that 627 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: I think that is what they are referring to as 628 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: Hell's Church. Yeah, yeah, I mean, just to humanize a 629 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: little more, someone threw a barbecue down there. In two 630 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: thousand five. People talk about racing a t v s. 631 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: They're explorers in the in the forum have long been 632 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: aware of a possible, possibly hostile at times presence from 633 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: people they describe as transients or vagrance. But if you 634 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: go on that just know this and advanced folks, if 635 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: you go on those forums and you talk about it 636 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: being a vampire clan, you're going to get laughed out 637 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: of the room, the digital room. Uh. There are, of course, 638 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: there are dangers with running into anyone, even playing old 639 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: garden variety of humans down there in the dark. That's 640 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: why you'll see posters on the forum say go to 641 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: a group. At least he was the Buddy system, just 642 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 1: in case there might be some people who are intoxicated 643 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: or who are looking for trouble. And yes, they're also 644 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,240 Speaker 1: bats because the tunnel like this is perfect for bats. 645 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: Those bats also seem to be you know, just playing bats, 646 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: not even vampire bats, just regular bats. Fits. They're they're 647 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: actually kind of cute looking. I've seen some I've seen 648 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: some of the beats. They've been very cute for the beats. Uh. 649 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: You can you can also, you know, if you'd like, 650 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: you can find lots of anecdotes about the tunnel from 651 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 1: people who have explored it while they were in the area, 652 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: And there was one that really stood out to me 653 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: from a redditor who was talking about this on the 654 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: Springfield subreddit. It's kind of a long quote, but it's 655 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: a cool story, so maybe we can maybe we can 656 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: break it up and approach it as a group. My 657 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: favorite story from those tunnels is once I went into 658 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: the bat Cave slash Hell's Church and found a crumby 659 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,320 Speaker 1: folding table with a pentagram and little tea like candles 660 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: on it and like razor blades and cigarette butts and 661 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: just general edgy teenager stuff. And next to it was 662 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: a backpack. What guys, this is not part of the quote. 663 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: What they found. This is the leavings of the of 664 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:18,320 Speaker 1: the clan clearly or some copycatters. Maybe let's go back in, 665 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: presumably left by one of the participants. Yeah, we think 666 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: it was. It was like a normal high school kids 667 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: backpack with textbooks and whatnot, but there was a five 668 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 1: subject notebook with a big pentagram on it, and the 669 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: little subject separator tabs actually had labels in them, and 670 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: I still laugh about it to this day. The first 671 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: section was labeled members, and it had a list of 672 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: names with their like goth persona name next to it, 673 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: like Travis Keller, Dark Fire, Sarah Paulson, Lady Shadow, stuff 674 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: like that. Then the next section was labeled spells and 675 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: had all these papers printed off the internet with various 676 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: Wiccan stuff. Then the last section was labeled trivia and 677 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: was the running scoreboard of what looked to be a 678 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: Harry Potter trivia league. Yes, and this commenter, uh, you 679 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: can find this online, but just just because of Reddit rules, 680 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: we're not going to say they're using name right now. Uh. 681 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: But this redditor closes with this oddly wholesome line I thought, 682 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: and says, I like to think whoever's notebook that was 683 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,919 Speaker 1: is now all grown up and has a successful career 684 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: in human resources or administration, because it does seem organized, 685 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, or or and just hear me out the 686 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,879 Speaker 1: poster on Reddit is the person who made that notebook? Yes, 687 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: but possibly you never know. You never know, and her 688 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: name is Sarah Paulson. So in this case, if we 689 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: we can make a we can't arrive at somewhat of 690 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: a verdict here. It seems that these could just be 691 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,439 Speaker 1: kids playing you know, harmless somewhat edgy games. Right. These 692 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,720 Speaker 1: could be especially in more recent years, what are portrayed 693 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: as vampires could actually be Larper's playing Vampire the Masquerade, 694 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,240 Speaker 1: which is a fun game. Larber means live action role playing. 695 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: Trust us, you'll know it when you see it if 696 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: it's happening around you, because they go all all it 697 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: sometimes yeah, like uh so, uh yeah. You can see 698 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 1: an example of this, for instance, in the newest Hawkeye 699 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: series on on Disney. There's a lot of LARPing in there. 700 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: But on the other side, this could this could be 701 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:42,280 Speaker 1: representative of Nissan's cult, like a charismatic older leader taking 702 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: advantage of young and or disadvantaged children and building a 703 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: cult of personality based on you know, a hodgepodge or 704 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: grab bag of amateur occult beliefs. Um happy to report. 705 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 1: I am happy to report that at the time of 706 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 1: this recording, like Hollio Wiggins is doing Justify it seems 707 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: to have survived with no ill ill effects. And this 708 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,399 Speaker 1: story was reported originally with a little bit of tongue 709 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: in cheek stuff there too, right kind of Um, it 710 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,800 Speaker 1: was self aware that was feeding into the satanic panics 711 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 1: that crop up in the US every so often. And 712 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: then since this story emerged during the age of the Internet, 713 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: and there's enough truth to it for it to be fascinating, 714 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: it's no wonder that so many people took it for fact. 715 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: And most of the people who took it for fact 716 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: do not live in Missouri, let alone Springfield. Although it 717 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,839 Speaker 1: may sound like we're busting a bunch of myths here, 718 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: we do have to note it is very true that 719 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: the US is chuck full of hidden, occluded communities, cults, 720 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: groups with all sorts of eccentric, strange beliefs and practices. 721 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: You just don't hear about them as often. They're part 722 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: of what I like to call invisible America. They're underground, 723 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,840 Speaker 1: They're more ways than one, and I would love to 724 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 1: do I would love to do a separate podcast on them. Um, 725 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 1: there are there is also one more, at least one 726 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 1: more Springfield vampire case that happened much later, unrelated to this, 727 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,399 Speaker 1: in two sixteen, also with a teenager nineteen year old 728 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: named Victoria Vandatar. Yeah, this one is is really quite depressing. Uh. 729 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,800 Speaker 1: It's reported on by k S HB out of Kansas 730 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 1: City and they reported it um this way. Uh, nineteen 731 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: year old Victoria van Ada van Ada perhaps um allowed 732 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: her intoxicated boyfriend to drink her blood and then she 733 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: stabbed him um during an argument that came soon after Um. 734 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 1: When the police arrived at their home, they discovered the 735 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,400 Speaker 1: bloodied couple and the words I'm sorry written inside a 736 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: heart scrawled in blood on the wall. That's romantic. Yeah, 737 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:14,839 Speaker 1: it's very misinformed, Vanda. And yeah, it just makes me sad. 738 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,239 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I mean, as a father of a 739 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: thirteen year old burgeoning kind of moody goth teen, this 740 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,600 Speaker 1: kind of stuff really freaks me out. Let me just 741 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,359 Speaker 1: say that and be real. I mean, I know it's 742 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,720 Speaker 1: not something that she's gonna go down this road or anything, 743 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,320 Speaker 1: but it's like, God, you really give your kids a 744 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: hug man, you know, don't let them become weird, blood 745 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 1: sucky vampire weirdos. Just don't let it happen. Just show 746 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 1: them a little love. Only you can prevent vampireism. It's no, 747 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh yeah, no, give it a shot. 748 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, this story it doesn't on a on a 749 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 1: sad note, or at least the time it happened in 750 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 1: six Vanatar said. Vanatar was was in debriated, according to 751 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,360 Speaker 1: reports and Warren investigators that she had the potential to 752 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: become a serial killer. Turns out she had already been 753 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 1: jammed up for two previous assaults. We don't have an 754 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,240 Speaker 1: update on there that in yet, but we just wanted 755 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,920 Speaker 1: to put that in. Put that in there for anybody 756 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,439 Speaker 1: who's wondering about the other Springfield vampire esque story. There 757 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: two separate incidents. But with all this now we've walked 758 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: through the facts and the fiction here you may ask 759 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: be asking guys, I like urban exploring. I love it. 760 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,879 Speaker 1: I wonder what you all are getting into off air, 761 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 1: and I want to see this vampire tunnel for myself. Well, 762 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,800 Speaker 1: you are in luck. This is how much of not 763 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: a secret this is. The tunnels are open for tours. 764 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:48,800 Speaker 1: All you have to do right now is go to 765 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: Watershed Committee dot org and you can arrange a look. 766 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 1: See uh you can't go by yourself at midnight, not legally. 767 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 1: At least the tour groups need to have at least 768 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,239 Speaker 1: eight people. They're going to be about two hours long, 769 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: and they're conducted sometime between eight am to five pm 770 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,880 Speaker 1: Monday through Friday. So a vast conspiracy this is not. 771 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,919 Speaker 1: But if you do want to take that tour, get 772 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,400 Speaker 1: thee to the website now, you may not have the 773 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,759 Speaker 1: chance to do so for much longer. There's been a 774 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 1: long movement underway to dig the creek up in a 775 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 1: process they called daylighting, as part of a larger downtown 776 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 1: revitalization effort, and it got got held off from COVID. 777 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: But I think they're going to go through with it 778 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 1: because they've they've got a lot of local support behind Yes. 779 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 1: I actually I called the Springfield, Missouri project manager who's 780 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 1: working on this. Uh his name's Kirkland, and he said, uh, 781 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,440 Speaker 1: just he had some really interesting things to say. So 782 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,359 Speaker 1: in the twenties, when they built that tunnel system over 783 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: the creek there, the thought was, as we stated before, 784 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,160 Speaker 1: that it would control the flooding. But it turns out 785 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 1: it's nowhere big enough to control the flooding. When when 786 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,839 Speaker 1: there's enough water like the hundred year flood that will 787 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,720 Speaker 1: come through every hundred years or so. So the concept 788 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 1: is to actually open it up and make it more 789 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 1: like an arroyo that we just talked about recently on 790 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: the show, where it's more it's more of an open space. 791 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: And uh, there have been problems, but he assures me 792 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,919 Speaker 1: and us and everyone that construction is going to begin 793 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 1: in the first quarter of to change things up. And 794 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: the last thing Kirkland said was he has not encountered 795 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 1: any vampires within the tunnels. Well, of course he's going 796 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:43,439 Speaker 1: to say that, you know, and check that caveat within 797 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 1: the tunnels. What's going on at the video store? No spoilers, 798 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,439 Speaker 1: but what's going on with the video store? Lost Boys 799 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: teaches you that's the first place you should check, especially 800 00:49:53,680 --> 00:50:00,360 Speaker 1: that's still open. The noodles they might be maggots, or 801 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,600 Speaker 1: they might be noodles and they just look like maggots, 802 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,560 Speaker 1: or they might be both. You know, these vampires are 803 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,440 Speaker 1: tricksie devils and some mysteries it seems just can't last forever. 804 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: That's our show, folks, And now it's time for at 805 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,759 Speaker 1: least one of my favorite parts where we get to 806 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,759 Speaker 1: hear from you. 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