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Speaker 2: Life.

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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, Emily a body here. You are listening to

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Speaker 3: episode two hundred and forty six of Hurdle, a wellness

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Speaker 3: focused podcast where we talk to inspirational people about everything

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Speaker 3: from their highest highs and toughest moments to essential tips

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Speaker 3: on how to live a healthier, happier, more motivated life.

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Speaker 3: We all go through our fair share of hurdles. My

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Speaker 3: goal through these discussions is to empower you to better

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Speaker 3: navigate yours and move with intention so that you can

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Speaker 3: stride towards your own big potential and of course have some.

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Speaker 4: Fun along the way.

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Speaker 3: I am smiling ear to ear because of the sentence

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Speaker 3: I'm about to say. This week, I am sitting down

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Speaker 3: with Olympic swimmer Katie Lideki Wow.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to say that sentence was so long.

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Speaker 3: I truly viewed this interview opportunity as the utmost honor.

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Speaker 3: Katie's been on the top of my dream guest list

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Speaker 3: for years, so to be able to have this conversation

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Speaker 3: during Women's History Month, coming out shortly after International Women's

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Speaker 3: Day felt special and purposeful and so.

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Speaker 4: So valuable to me as a female entrepreneur.

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Speaker 3: We talk about so much today what it was like

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Speaker 3: how even the best to ever do it started somewhere.

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Speaker 3: Her first goal simply to make it across the pool

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Speaker 3: without holding onto the lane line. Katie shares her perspective

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Speaker 3: Plus in line with Women's History Month, naturally, Katie talks

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Speaker 3: when she joined Athleta's Power of She Collective. Again, such

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Speaker 3: a special conversation. I am so grateful for this opportunity

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Speaker 4: With that, let's get to it. Let's get to hurdling today.

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Speaker 5: I am enthused, excited and to be sitting down with

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Hurdle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me, Emily. I'm excited to chat today.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm so excited to chat to you know,

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Speaker 1: And I think it's just good to remind yourself of

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Speaker 1: About trying not to be any different than who you are,

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Speaker 1: I think I just remind myself that those days pass.

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Speaker 3: That is such a good point, right, because all you

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Speaker 1: They've evolved in some ways, but I think they've also

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Speaker 3: What does it look like to fuel as Katie Ldeki, Well.

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Speaker 3: Got a touch on the sleep, how much sleep is

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Speaker 1: Shoot for you know, eight or nine hours. Probably am

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Speaker 1: school all day, and then going back to afternoon practice.

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Speaker 1: So I definitely cherish having a little more free time

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Speaker 1: in my day now to just squeeze a nap in.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate the way that you talk about your family,

443
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Speaker 3: Katie it's very clear that the relationship that you have

444
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Speaker 3: with them is so special and dear to you. Talk

445
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Speaker 3: to me a little bit about how they have been

446
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Speaker 3: crucial in helping you get to this point where you

447
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Speaker 3: are now.

448
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Speaker 1: My family is everything to me. I have an older brother, Michael.

449
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Speaker 1: He's three years older than I am, and he's kind

450
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Speaker 1: of the one that I followed into the sport. We

451
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Speaker 1: started swimming for a team at the same time, and

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Speaker 1: I think he was really the one that wanted to

453
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Speaker 1: join the swim team at a summer.

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Speaker 2: Summer league pool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just kind of always admired his hard work and

456
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Speaker 1: dedication to his studies and to his swimming and every

457
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Speaker 1: activity that he did, so I just tried to follow

458
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Speaker 1: in his footsteps. And then, yeah, just the dedication that

459
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Speaker 1: my parents had to help us pursue our passions. They

460
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Speaker 1: were never pushy. They never felt like we had to

461
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Speaker 1: swim or never pushed us to follow one path or

462
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Speaker 1: the other. They wanted to make sure that we prioritized

463
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Speaker 1: our education, really took our studies seriously, and that was

464
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Speaker 1: the number one thing for them. And then any other

465
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Speaker 1: activity that we enjoyed doing they were going to support.

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Speaker 2: And that became swimming over the years more and more,

467
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Speaker 2: and uh so.

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Speaker 1: Thankfully they were. They were up for the early morning drives.

469
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Speaker 1: And I actually didn't get my driver's license until I

470
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Speaker 1: was in college.

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Speaker 2: So they were in it for the long they were

472
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Speaker 2: in it for the long haul with me. But what if.

473
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Speaker 1: I really tried to enjoy all the time that I

474
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Speaker 1: got to spend with them, you know, in the car

475
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Speaker 1: going to and from practice to swim meets. I mean,

476
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Speaker 1: my mom still comes down. I mean she came down

477
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Speaker 1: to Florida a few weeks ago.

478
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Speaker 2: For a meat that I had.

479
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Speaker 1: I mean, both my parents have been and my brother

480
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Speaker 1: have been to every Olympics I've been to, except for

481
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Speaker 1: Tokyo when when they couldn't, and and have pretty much

482
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Speaker 1: been every World Championships as well, So they've been there

483
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Speaker 1: every step of the way.

484
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Speaker 2: My extended family as well.

485
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Speaker 1: I have one grandmother that's still alive, but all my

486
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Speaker 1: grandparents have been really influential in my life. She's ninety

487
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Speaker 1: nine years old, and she is just a force and

488
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Speaker 1: just somebody that I so admire and I so enjoy

489
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Speaker 1: talking to and learning from and the love that she

490
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Speaker 1: shows her family.

491
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Speaker 2: She has a very big family.

492
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Speaker 1: Is just something that I try to keep within me

493
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Speaker 1: and remind myself of on a day to day basis,

494
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Speaker 1: or when I'm at competitions, I think of her and

495
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Speaker 1: think of just the love that I have from my

496
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Speaker 1: whole family.

497
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so special, and so often we hear that

498
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 3: saying in order to be her, you need to see her.

499
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Speaker 3: It's very clear that your grandmother was such a powerful

500
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Speaker 3: example of what being a powerful woman is. Right now,

501
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: alongside with placing so much emphasis and value on your

502
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 3: family and caring so deeply about those relationships, I could

503
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Speaker 3: imagine that there were some challenges along the way when

504
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Speaker 3: it came to wanting to show up for your family

505
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 3: and then also needing to show up for yourself within training,

506
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Speaker 3: talk to me a little bit about the sacrifices that

507
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Speaker 3: you've had to make up until this point of your

508
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Speaker 3: career in order to perform at the highest level.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever really viewed them as sacrifices.

510
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: I think there are choices that I've made and choices

511
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Speaker 1: that my family has made with me to, you know,

512
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Speaker 1: help me pursue my goals.

513
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Speaker 2: I mean, certainly through high school, I would, you know.

514
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Speaker 1: Spend my weekends getting ahead on my homework when I

515
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: knew that I had somewim meets coming up in the

516
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: next couple weeks. So you know, maybe I wasn't out

517
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: partying as much or going to as many school dances.

518
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 2: Things like that.

519
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: But you know, I talk a lot about my family,

520
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: but I've always had really great friends as well that

521
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: have read recognize that I do have these big goals

522
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: in something that I really care about, and they've always

523
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: been supportive of that. And I think, you know, my friends,

524
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: whether or not I could go to certain things, they

525
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: kept inviting me, and they, you know, always stayed connected.

526
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Speaker 1: And even beyond high school and beyond college, I've I've

527
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: stayed connected with those friends. So you know, I wish

528
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Speaker 1: that I was able to spend more time with them

529
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Speaker 1: at certain moments throughout those years, but I've I've really

530
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Speaker 1: cherished the moments that I have gotten to spend with

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Speaker 1: them and the connections that I've been able to continue

532
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: to have with all of them. And I have so

533
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Speaker 1: many great friends through the sport of swimming as well,

534
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: and swimmers kind of bond over the challenges that we

535
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: face in the sport, and you know, just the grind

536
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: of the training and all of that, and I, as

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Speaker 1: I said, I love it, and so I guess I

538
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Speaker 1: don't really see it as you know, a sacrifice or

539
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Speaker 1: something that's gonna drain me or anything.

540
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Speaker 2: It's something that I love.

541
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Speaker 1: To embrace and I love to, you know, try to

542
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Speaker 1: do all the little things that will help me achieve

543
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Speaker 1: my goals. So I'm not like eating fast food or

544
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: ice cream or things like that every single day. But

545
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Speaker 1: you know, I like what swimming brings to my life,

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Speaker 1: and I am continuing to do it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's why I'm continuing to do it. I guess.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate what you said the note about your friends

549
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: might know that you can't make it, but they invite

550
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Speaker 3: you still. And I think that that is such a

551
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 3: profound and important thing, right, just this communication between you

552
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: and the people that you care about that you do

553
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: want to be involved, right, It's not that you don't

554
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: want to be present. And so that's a conversation about intentions,

555
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: and your friends know that you have the best intentions

556
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 3: and you also have this very important career, like you

557
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: can have both.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, you know, I think so many of

559
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Speaker 1: my friends are either swimmers or worse swimmers, or became

560
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: swim fans through my involvement in the sport. So I've

561
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Speaker 1: appreciated that and I've appreciated them, you know, understanding what

562
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Speaker 1: it takes to get to this level.

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Speaker 3: your family a big tool in let's call it your

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Speaker 3: in the toolbox that you use regularly that help you

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I guess we haven't really talked much

616
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Speaker 1: about my coaches, but I've had some incredible coaches over

617
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Speaker 1: the years. I've actually had four different coaches leading into

618
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Speaker 1: each of my past four Olympics. I'm sticking with my

619
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Speaker 1: current current coach going through this this Olympic cycle. But yeah,

620
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Speaker 1: I have really great coaches and great teammates. And then

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, another tool in the toolbox is

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Speaker 1: just the experience that I have the number of years

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Speaker 1: I've into the sport. At this point, I find that

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Speaker 1: extremely valuable.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: That's something that some of the younger competitors that I'm racing,

627
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Speaker 1: you know, they're still kind of building that up. So

628
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Speaker 1: I feel like that's one thing that I can rely

629
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Speaker 1: on in the sport now, is just the experience and

630
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Speaker 1: the different things that I've learned about how to push

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Speaker 1: through races, how to prepare for certain races, the expectations,

632
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Speaker 1: all those things, how to manage all that.

633
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Speaker 2: I think that's something that's in my toolbox.

634
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: And then I think trying to take it one day

635
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Speaker 1: at a time and trying to learn each day. And

636
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Speaker 1: I think just the perspective that I have now kind

637
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Speaker 1: of this appreciation that I have for the sport at

638
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: this point in my career, I'm trying to just take

639
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Speaker 1: advantage of each day that I have in the sport

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Speaker 1: and the opportunities that I have away from the pool

641
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Speaker 1: as well. So I think having balance in my life

642
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: has always been important, and that's something that I try

643
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: to always pray ties and think about. Whenever I feel

644
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Speaker 1: like I'm getting too caught up in the sport or

645
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Speaker 1: too caught up in my goals, I kind of take

646
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Speaker 1: a step back and make sure that I have everything

647
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Speaker 1: in balance, and yeah, I'm grateful for the people around

648
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Speaker 1: me that ensure that as well.

649
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: Coaches and experience both really great tools in the toolbox.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned the word goals, and I'd love to talk

651
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Speaker 3: a little bit about goal setting. What has your practice

652
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Speaker 3: looked like for goal setting in the past, and how

653
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Speaker 3: has that evolved for you over time.

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Speaker 1: When I first started out in the sport, my very

655
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Speaker 1: first goal was to make it across the pool without

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Speaker 1: stopping on the lane line. I swam the twenty five

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Speaker 1: free my first summer of swimming. That was my one event,

658
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Speaker 1: and I would swim three strokes, grab onto the lane line,

659
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Speaker 1: wipe my nose, three strokes, grab on to the lane line,

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Speaker 1: take my breath. So my first summer, I achieved my

661
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Speaker 1: goal of making it across the pool.

662
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 2: So that was good. And then beyond that, I started.

663
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 2: I started right.

664
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: Down my goals and I called them want times. I

665
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: didn't call them goal times. I called them want times.

666
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: And I have no idea how I came up with that.

667
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: I think I just wanted to come up with something

668
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: unique and something that was different. Nobody taught me that.

669
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: Nobody taught me that I should write down my goals.

670
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: But I really love to do it, and I think

671
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: it maybe stemmed from my love of math. So I

672
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: would write down my times, and then after the race,

673
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: I would you know, do the addition and subtraction and

674
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: check how far away I was from reaching my goal

675
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: or how much I beat my goal by. So I

676
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: was doing that at age seven, age eight, and really

677
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: kept that up for quite a while. I think there

678
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: came a point where I stopped writing them down before

679
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: every single meet, but I would write them down before

680
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: each season and I would review. I would start reviewing

681
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: them with my coaches. As things got more serious, you know,

682
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: we'd have kind of goal setting meetings, and even those

683
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 1: kind of evolved over the years from just talking about

684
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: what the goals are to talking about the process in

685
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: how I was going to reach those goals, what technical

686
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: things I needed to work on, what splits I needed to.

687
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: Hold in my races.

688
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: As I got older and older and still to this day,

689
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: I became a student of the sport. I loved watching swimming.

690
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: I loved watching the best compete and trying to learn

691
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: from them.

692
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: Pick up little tidbits. So you know, it's evolved over

693
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: the years.

694
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: I've written down my goals for some seasons.

695
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: Other seasons I don't.

696
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: I usually always share those goals with my coach, and

697
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: often I actually rely on my coach to help me

698
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: come up with those goals and verbalize those goals. And

699
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: having a coach verbalize those goals to you can actually

700
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: give you a lot of confidence. I think, confidence that

701
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: you know somebody else believes that you can can achieve

702
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: those things. It's not just some fantasy in your head.

703
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: It's something that's really attainable.

704
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: That combination of being able to visualize them by writing

705
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 3: it down and then that external validation there that coach

706
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: that believes in you is really special. I mean for

707
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 3: someone like you, fourteen Olympic medals, we've got twenty six

708
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 3: total World Championship medals. What kind of goals does someone

709
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 3: that's that decorated set today.

710
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: Well, I'm always looking at the next thing, and I

711
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: mean this year there's a World Championships in Singapore at

712
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: the end of July. There'll be a trials meet for

713
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: that in June. So you know, really my next big

714
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: goals are for those competitions, and you know I'm not

715
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: going to share those with you. I'm sorry, as I said,

716
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: I really just share them with my coaches. But yeah,

717
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm just always striving to improve, and I think improvement

718
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: looks different each year. You know, I don't just set

719
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: goals for competition. I also set goals and trainings. So

720
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: certain sets that I want to do in practice or

721
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: certain times I want to achieve in practice, those are

722
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: kind of goals that I set on a weekly basis.

723
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm kind of always trying to stay in

724
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: the present. I would say, just just trying to stay

725
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: focused on the goal for the day, and then as

726
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: I as I achieve those goals, that builds up my

727
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: confidence moving toward the bigger competitions when I want to

728
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: achieve my goals for those meets.

729
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: What's the secret Sauce to picking yourself up when you

730
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 3: come up short on your goal?

731
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: For you?

732
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: How do you reframe perhaps maybe negative self talk that

733
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: can creep in when things don't go as you'd hoped.

734
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: Always talking with someone is important, you know. I usually

735
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: talk with my coaches. We talked through what went right,

736
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: what went wrong, you know, what were the pros and

737
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: cons of the performance, and even my very best performances,

738
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: I would pick apart and find areas for opportunity to improve.

739
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: So, you know, I think it's always good.

740
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: To evaluate things and you know, see what you did right,

741
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: see what you did wrong, see how you can improve

742
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 1: your training to be better next time.

743
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: I think it's you know, in swimming, it's a.

744
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: Time based sport, so the scoreboard doesn't lie and you

745
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: can I think some athletes get caught up in those

746
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: results and you can kind of get emotional one way

747
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: or the other based on a performance. But I think

748
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: the way to get past that is to think about

749
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: the process and think about what went into that and

750
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: how that process could improve. Or maybe the process went

751
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: great and you want to replicate that next time and

752
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: just continue on that path. So I think it's just

753
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: making it more of a conversation rather than oh, Okay,

754
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: that was the result, that was bad, that was good.

755
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: It's got to be a little more than that. It's

756
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 1: got to be a true evaluation and reflection I think

757
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: of the whole process.

758
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: One of the things that I really appreciate about you,

759
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: Katie is that you are an athlete who has like

760
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 3: your own blinders on. And what I mean by that

761
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: is that you can hear all of these things about

762
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: people telling you about how many metals you have, but

763
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: for you, it's not really about the metals. It's you

764
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 3: stacking yourself up against yourself. And I think that that

765
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: is something that, to your point, a lot of athletes

766
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: struggle with, right whether it's looking at the clock or

767
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: comparing yourself to somebody else. For you, how do you

768
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 3: no pun intended stay in your own lane? How do

769
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: you keep the blinders on and focus on the best

770
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: that you have to give in any given day.

771
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's one thing exactly that I

772
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: can point to, but I think I would kind of

773
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: fall back again on my coaches and kind of the

774
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: guidance that they've given me over the years, and the

775
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: kind of the love of training that that they've instilled

776
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: in me, and you know that comes from them writing

777
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: great practices and keeping the practice environment.

778
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: Really fun and enjoyable.

779
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: Those things helped me focus on the day to day

780
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: rather than just the end result, And especially at the

781
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: level I've been at for the last decade, you know,

782
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: once once you achieve a world record, it I guess, yes,

783
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: I I broke those records a few times, but you know,

784
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: there comes a point where you're not going to go

785
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: a best time every single race, and I think at

786
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: first that was that was challenging for me to recognize,

787
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: but I recognize that I would go to every single

788
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: meet believing that I could potentially break a world record.

789
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: That was kind of the mindset that I had during

790
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: this this long stretch where I was breaking world records

791
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: that you know, quote unquote random meets, you know, like

792
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: like not a World Championships or Olympics. And that was

793
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: a good thing in that it helped me treat every

794
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: competition with the same level of focus and determination and

795
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: you know energy, like I didn't need a full you know,

796
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: ten thousand people in the stands to get me excited

797
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: to race. I you know, would would put myself in

798
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: that mindset of Okay, I can I can do something

799
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: special when I dive in, and even though I know

800
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: now that that's not going to happen every single time

801
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: I race. I I've tried to hold on to that

802
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: mindset and have have kind of recognized the bump that

803
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: that would give me. Treating each race like it's an

804
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: Olympic final. That brings the best out of me, and

805
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: that helps me focus in training, helps me, you know,

806
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: just enjoy the process. Knowing that I'm going to, you know,

807
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: expect the best out of myself each time I get

808
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: up and race. And so I've got to put in

809
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: the work every day and training and and and the

810
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: results will come.

811
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: It's, as you said, that tool in your toolbox, the

812
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: experience that enables and empowers you to have this powerful perspective.

813
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 3: It also beckons the question what does self talk look

814
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: like for Katie Lideki.

815
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of describe it as you know, this

816
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: this voice in my in my head, it's kind of

817
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: like someone that's giving me a pep talk. And it's

818
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: a very direct voice, I would say, especially when I'm

819
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm racing, you know, it's kind of like someone else's

820
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 1: speaking to me. Like I'll tell myself as I'm going

821
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: into a flip turn, you know, hit that turn, you know,

822
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: like let's go like like just very positive. And then

823
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: if I'm starting to feel some pain in the middle

824
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: of a distance race, I'll you know, tell myself, all right,

825
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: just focus on on the pull or focus on holding rhythm.

826
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: Very just short direct statements that I'm kind of giving myself.

827
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: But it is almost like somebody else's is giving giving

828
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: it to me. But you know, unfortunately, and swimming we

829
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: can't have like the headphones that you know, football players

830
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: or whoever have in their helmets. We don't have that

831
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: in our swim caps, so we can't have a coach's

832
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: voice or.

833
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: Something like that.

834
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: But I think that's kind of like the voice that

835
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: I have in my head, just someone that's kind of

836
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: cheering me on and you know, pushing me to get

837
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: past any moments of doubt or any tough moments.

838
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: In a race.

839
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 4: Even in the challenging moment.

840
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 3: Someone with your level of experience is also dialed in

841
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 3: at times into breaking it into little doables, Is that right?

842
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, especially in the distance races, I have

843
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: to do that. So i might get to the thousand

844
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: mark of the fifteen hundred and I'll start counting down

845
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: the fifties that I have left. So I'll stop, I'll

846
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: stop counting up, and I'll start counting down that I

847
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: have all right, I have just ten fifties.

848
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: I have nine fifties.

849
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: And that makes, you know, the hardest part of the

850
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 1: race seem less daunting. It kind of reminds me of

851
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: all the training that I've done, all the fifties that

852
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: I've done in practice, ten fifties seems like like nothing.

853
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's kind of one example. But I

854
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: think I try to do that on a larger scale

855
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: as well. When I am just thinking about the week

856
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: of training and trying to be the best that I

857
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: can be this morning, this afternoon, you know, just just

858
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: each half day.

859
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 3: I guess each each and every part holistically. You mentioned

860
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: and talked a little bit about how the day could

861
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 3: look like when we talked about fueling. But what does

862
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: balance look like for you these days? I know, right now,

863
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 3: coming fresh off of an Olympic cycle, we will have,

864
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 3: you know, worlds down the pipe. But is there a

865
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 3: little bit more balance and the ebb and the flow

866
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: of the year as it goes with competition schedule, or

867
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: how do you make sure that you're finding time for

868
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: yourself outside of the pool.

869
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: I took a little bit of time off after Paris,

870
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 1: maybe the longest stretch I had been out of the water.

871
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 2: That's not saying too much, though.

872
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: I was probably out of the water three or four weeks,

873
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: and then I kind of eased myself back into it.

874
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: I did quite a bit of travel in September and October,

875
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: so I was away from my normal training environment, but

876
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: I did start training or swimming more regularly throughout my travels.

877
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: You know, swimming actually is a big part of my

878
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: balance and you know, without it, it throws my balance off.

879
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: So even while I was traveling, I was searching on

880
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: the airplane, you know, best pools and such and such city,

881
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: and I would kind of plot out my lap swim

882
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: hours and when I was gonna.

883
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 2: Go hit up the pool. So, you know, I got

884
00:47:59,360 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: to do.

885
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: Some some fun things after after Paris, see some friends,

886
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: see some family, had some great opportunities to speak to

887
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: different groups, things like that. And then in October, late October,

888
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: I came back to Florida and got back into my

889
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: normal routine of training and kind of setting up the

890
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: year for you know, leading into the World Championships this summer.

891
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: So I'm into the hard, hard training and have done

892
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: some racing this year already. And you know, away from

893
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: the pool, away from training, I've enjoyed getting a lot

894
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: of time with my family this year. I actually hosted

895
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and Christmas in Florida, which was nice. So had

896
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: some good time with my family over the holidays, and

897
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: have really made a lot of great friends in Florida

898
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: as well over the past three and a half years

899
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: that I've lived here. So I feel like I have

900
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: some good roots here now, and I love to spend

901
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: time with them and do some things out of the

902
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: pool around here.

903
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: I can only imagine like owning or you know, working

904
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 3: at a facility in some random town, like maybe outside

905
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: of Chicago. And Katie Lidecki just like walks up and

906
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 3: wants to use the pool for lap swim. Do you

907
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 3: have any funny stories about something like that.

908
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 2: I have a lot of great stories. I started.

909
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: I started calling it by lap Swim Tour because I

910
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: would just show up at lap swim, pay.

911
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: My three dollars whatever it was, and.

912
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: It was kind of it was like a fun social experiment,

913
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: I guess, just to like see how long it took

914
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: people to recognize who I was, or things like that.

915
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: I think the best story I have is maybe from Utah.

916
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: I was there for an event and then I stayed

917
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: an extra a day or two to visit my aunt

918
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: an uncle who live in Salt Lake, and so my aunt,

919
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: who loves to swim as well, came along with me

920
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: to the pool and so she got to kind of

921
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: sit on the side and watch it all ha.

922
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: And actually I was like.

923
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: Splitting the lane with someone and that person knew who

924
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: I was and was very very nice. And then there

925
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: was a third person that wanted to join the lane,

926
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: and so we would have to switch from splitting to

927
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: circle swimming. And the guy that I was originally splitting

928
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: the lane with felt bad that I would have to

929
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: circle with all of them, and so he offered to

930
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, like, I'll just I'll switch to

931
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: this lane so you don't have to do three in

932
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: a lane. Katie, Like, I'll go three in a lane

933
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: in this lane and then you'll just have to split.

934
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: And the guy that was just joining the lane was like,

935
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: what's his problem? You know, like why does he think

936
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: we can't go three in a lane? You know, what's

937
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: the deal? I just kind of laughed it off. I

938
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know. I think he just felt

939
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: like we could could split. He was just being nice.

940
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: I think maybe by the end of the swim the

941
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: guy figured it out. But you know, I tried to

942
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: roll up like without my life decy cap and try

943
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: to be anonymous for as long as I could.

944
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 3: Oh man, so good those people of you, they're probably

945
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: still talking about that in Utah.

946
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

947
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: You know, the thing that I got a kick out

948
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: of was like once people started talking and sharing with

949
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: their friends that I was there, I started thinking, Wow,

950
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, I bet a lot of people are going

951
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 1: to show up the next day just to see if

952
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm back, and so I think, I'm I'm really

953
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: you know, inspiring people to get to the pool. So

954
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: that's it was kind of a fun, fun little thing

955
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: to do, and again it kind of kept me, kept

956
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: me moving and engaged with the water and also engaged

957
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: with other people. It was It's fun for me to

958
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 1: share my experiences and take pictures and whatever whatever anyone

959
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: wants to do.

960
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 2: I enjoy those moments.

961
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 3: I love that and I love again the good energy

962
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 3: that you bring. Now, obviously, not every day is going

963
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 3: to be the best day. There are going to be

964
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 3: difficult moments and beyond sport. For you, what would you

965
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: say has been one of the most difficult, challenging hurdles

966
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 3: of your career.

967
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: I think it was probably the year delay of the

968
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: Olympics in twenty twenty.

969
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: And that's not a unique hurdle for me.

970
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: That was something that all the Olympic athletes or potential

971
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: Olympic athletes, you know, were dealt and finding how to

972
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: train during that time and how to stay connected with

973
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: other people.

974
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: I mean, that was a challenge for everyone.

975
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: So again, trying to keep things in perspective at all times.

976
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: I think, trying to be grateful that we still had

977
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: the opportunity to strive for our goals even though they

978
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: were a year delayed. That was what I kept reminding

979
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: myself of. But you know how important family is to me,

980
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: So the probably the biggest challenge for me was being

981
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: away from my family for so long. I was out

982
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: in California at Stanford training in the Bay Area, and

983
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: my family was in in Maryland or on the East Coast,

984
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: and so yeah, that was probably the longest stretch of

985
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: time that I had been without family. I think it

986
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: was a full year where I didn't have any contact

987
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: with any physical contact with my family. I say that

988
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: because I probably FaceTime my parents, you know, two or

989
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: three times a day part of that stretch. But yeah,

990
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: I think it was just a real challenge to see

991
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: the finish line at times, or not know if the

992
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: finish line was going to be there. I mean, I

993
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: think even a month out of the Olympics. There was

994
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: still some chatter out there that maybe they'll still cancel it.

995
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: You just couldn't one hundred percent see that it was

996
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: going to happen at any time, So there was just

997
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: always this uncertainty.

998
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: I think, looming, and that.

999
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: Just was a challenge knowing how much hard work we

1000
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: had all put in. But again, perspective was key, knowing

1001
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: that that was absolutely necessary to postpone the games. Of course,

1002
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: health was number one thing. Always trying to keep things

1003
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: in perspective was probably the biggest challenge.

1004
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 3: Now, someone goes to your Instagram page and they see

1005
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 3: the smiling Katie Lideki, this four time US Olympic swimmer,

1006
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 3: a nine time Olympic gold medalist, a twenty one time

1007
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 3: world champion. But when you look in the mirror, Katie,

1008
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 3: what is it that you see looking back at you.

1009
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: I mean, at five am, I don't look very pretty,

1010
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: but I try to give myself a smile as I'm

1011
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: brushing my teeth and getting ready for practice. When you

1012
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: say mirror, I guess I think of the mirror that

1013
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: I have back at home in Bethesda, Maryland. It's kind

1014
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: of like it's my bathroom mirror. It's kind of like

1015
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: a time capsule in a way, because I actually have like.

1016
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 2: Some of my goals written up.

1017
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: I think it's actually some technique things that I had

1018
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: typed up that I had taped.

1019
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: To my mirror at one point.

1020
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: And then there's also one of these, like one of

1021
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: those pink circular sticker things that you can write on

1022
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: kind of like a whiteboard, and I have like a

1023
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: list that I'd written up once of things not to

1024
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: forget to pack for a swim meet or something.

1025
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: So it's it's always funny to go back home and

1026
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 2: see that.

1027
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: And then I also see there's there was like a

1028
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: road to London sticker that I put up on my

1029
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: mirror before the London Olympics, probably back before I even

1030
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: had qualified for Olympic trials. And so when I see that,

1031
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: and when I go home now and I see that

1032
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: and I look at myself in the mirror, I guess

1033
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,959
Speaker 1: I still can't believe that I've made it this far

1034
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: in the sport, because, as I said, when I was six,

1035
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: I just started for fun and had no aspirations or

1036
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: no belief that the Olympics would be in my future.

1037
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 4: I think that's just such a special reminder for so

1038
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 4: many of us.

1039
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 3: Right, we're talking to this beautiful, decorated athlete, and there

1040
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 3: was a time even in your journey, where you were

1041
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 3: a beginner and you only get and I say this

1042
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 3: like a privilege, like you only get to be a

1043
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 3: beginner once. And for you, when you were a beginner,

1044
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 3: you distinctly remember just wanting to make it to the

1045
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 3: other side of the pool, right, And there's so much

1046
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 3: to take from that.

1047
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we're all but we're all beginners when

1048
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: we start. I did not look like an Olympian when

1049
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: I started.

1050
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 2: I did not.

1051
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: You know, my mom swam in college, but it's not

1052
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: like she was an Olympian or anything like that. I'm

1053
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: not like denegrating her accomplishments, but it's not like it's

1054
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: not like I had someone right in front of me

1055
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: that that had done it, that made it real for me,

1056
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: or made it seem possible right from the get go.

1057
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: I certainly had those role models that I looked up

1058
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: to in the sport from a young age. There were

1059
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: some great female distance swimmers in the Maryland, Virginia area,

1060
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: Katie hoff Katziegler that I looked up to, and once

1061
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: I started loving swimming and watching swimming more and more.

1062
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: I would watch the Olympics on TV and just think

1063
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: that these people were superheroes and just like you had

1064
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: to be a different sort of person or it just

1065
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: wasn't attainable. It's something that's on your TV and you

1066
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: know you're never going to get to experience that. But

1067
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: I think, just as we've talked about, I think just

1068
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: taking it one step at a time and just enjoying

1069
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: each step along the way help me get there and

1070
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: help me get to the point where that would be

1071
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: my next step.

1072
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 3: It's so special now because we said before that line,

1073
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 3: in order to be her, you need to see her,

1074
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 3: you articulating that in its true form right here now.

1075
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 3: For so many you are her. What does it mean

1076
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 3: to you at this point to now be this woman again?

1077
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: We mentioned the power of she collective, to be this

1078
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 3: person that is at the forefront of woman sports, someone

1079
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 3: that so many people aspire to be. Like, whether we're

1080
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 3: talking about being in the pool or well beyond it.

1081
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: You know the power of she.

1082
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: It's it's all about women moving women forward. And that's

1083
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: something that I feel really passionate about and I feel

1084
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: very lucky to be in the position that I'm that

1085
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm in to be around other great female athletes and

1086
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: great female swimmers, great female coaches like just I have

1087
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: all these experiences where I just kind of take a

1088
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: step back and enjoy where I'm at currently and just

1089
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: remind myself of the impact that I can have on

1090
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: young girls.

1091
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: And on on women.

1092
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: And as we've talked about, it's something that I truly

1093
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: enjoy and I truly enjoy hearing other stories and stories

1094
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: of people's journey through sport and through movement, and I

1095
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: think it's just something.

1096
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 2: That connects everyone.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, everyone has their own passions, but I

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Speaker 1: think everyone, regardless of what those passions may be, is

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Speaker 1: trying to be the best version of them themselves. And

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Speaker 1: if we can encourage each other to pursue those passions,

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Speaker 1: pursue those big goals, beautiful things happen, and you'll learn

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Speaker 1: new things about yourself, You'll learn new things about each other,

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Speaker 1: and you'll find commonalities.

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Speaker 2: With other people.

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Speaker 1: You'll find differences, but you'll learn from those experiences. And

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Speaker 1: that to me is much more valuable than a gold

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Speaker 1: medal or a silver medal, bronze medal record. Just getting

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Speaker 1: to connect with other people and such a wide range

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Speaker 1: of people and getting these international experiences. Those are things

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Speaker 1: that are way more important to me than anything that

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Speaker 1: the scoreboard says at this point in my career.

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Speaker 3: Together, we have the opportunity to lift each other up.

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Speaker 3: Right now, Katie, you have the opportunity to offer yourself

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Speaker 3: a piece of advice. You talked about the hurdle that

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Speaker 3: was going through the pandemic and the delay of those goals.

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Speaker 4: Knowing what you know now.

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Speaker 3: Katie, what would you tell yourself going through that hurtle moment?

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Speaker 1: I would tell myself keep it moving. That's something that

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Speaker 1: is a phrase that a great coach, John R. Banchik,

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Speaker 1: who just passed away last year, would always say to

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Speaker 1: his swimmers and is just a cherished phrase of mine

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Speaker 1: and something that I often tell myself now now that

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Speaker 1: he can't tell tell all of us. So yeah, keep

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Speaker 1: it moving. Very very simple, but really can be applied

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Speaker 1: to sport life day to day. If you keep moving forward,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna make progress, You're gonna have a good day.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have a good day. Keep it moving, Katie Ludeki,

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Speaker 3: truly such a joy for me. I can't even tell.

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Speaker 4: You for those that may not be following along.

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Speaker 3: With you who would just yet? I don't know who

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Speaker 3: those people are, but just in case, how do we

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Speaker 3: keep up with you on Instagram? Give us your details.

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Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram at Katie Ldeki.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 3: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast

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Speaker 3: Another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 4: Catch you guys next time