1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: What's up? His way up with the Angela Yee I'm 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Angela Yee beat I is guest hosting with me, you 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: know what. He usually leaves before the interview, but don 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Cheeto's here, and he asked me so nicely, he said, 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: do you mind if I stick around for don Cheto? 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: But when I tell you this, whole entire flor is 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: so excited and so am. 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 2: I prepared to be very disappointed. 9 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: Now listen, and I can see the background with stand 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: up comedy. 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: A little hey man, you know, got to keep them 12 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: laughing right the way they just don't stay focused on 13 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: other stuff. 14 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: Well, listen. I did have a chance to watch the 15 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: first five episodes. Oh cool, A fight night. Fascinating story, Yeah, 16 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: really interesting, you know, one that so many people have 17 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: never heard of. 18 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's not surprising that they haven't 19 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: heard of it, given you know how our history kind 20 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: of goes and gets overlooked sometimes. But yeah, really interesting 21 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: story about Muhammad Ali's first comeback after he was a 22 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: conscience just objector to the war. And it's nineteen seventies, 23 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: so he'd been out a fight game for three years 24 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: and the senator in Atlanta was able to find a 25 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: loophole in the law and get him a fight in 26 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: Atlanta when Atlanta was really starting to become like Chocolate City, 27 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: you know, really starting to become this burgeoning mecca for 28 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: black people to kind of find their way as entrepreneurs 29 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: and all these other you know, business models that they 30 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 2: were able to create and vehicles for themselves at that time. 31 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, they had stripped him of his license, so he 32 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: really couldn't fight anywhere exactly. It's interesting, and I know 33 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: you come from there to I went to go see 34 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: Home on Broadway, and you know, the subject of Home 35 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: is he refused to fight in the war and ended 36 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: up having to go to jail, right, And people sometimes 37 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: look at that as you die, as the draft and X, 38 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: Y and Z. Some people really don't believe in a war. 39 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: How do you fight for awarded you don't believe in absolutely? 40 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: I mean not that soldiers don't do it every day, right, 41 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: but to really sacrifice what he sacrificed and put it 42 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: all on the line, and really you know, not just 43 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: put his money whereas but put his reputation. He risked everything. 44 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: There was no promise that he was going to be 45 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: able to come back, you know, what I mean, And 46 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: for a lot of people in the country at that time, 47 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 2: he was a pariah. They were like, just like you said, 48 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: they're like, this dude's a draft dodger. This guy doesn't 49 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: he's not a patriot. But you know the other side 50 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: of that coin is that that's the height of patriotism, 51 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 2: right in some ways, standing up for your principles and 52 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: really fighting for what you believe is the better idea 53 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: of what your country should be and what they should 54 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: be doing, and when they're not be willing to risk everything. 55 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: I mean, he did something that very few people would do. 56 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: Right. Absolutely, you go, you try to just be stationed 57 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: somewhere where you don't have to necessarily. But you know, 58 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: you're right about that. And we also don't think about 59 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: the sacrifice that that takes because the media looks at 60 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: it and people will talk about you like you are 61 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: the worst person because you don't you're not patriotic and 62 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: you don't want to represent your country. But watching this, 63 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: it certainly shows me also that I didn't even realize 64 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: how black people weren't supportive of Muhammad Ali during that time. 65 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: I mean, and my character is you know J. D. 66 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: Hudson that I play is from a different era. You know, 67 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 2: he's a throwback in many ways, and it does bring 68 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: into question what it actually means, you know, And I 69 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: think again, right now, we're in a real moment where 70 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: we're going, are y'all patriots? Like you know, all these 71 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: people standing up and talk about there being patriots, It's like, really, 72 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's it's time to redefine 73 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: what that means and actually look at that in terms 74 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: of uh, when you when you hold your country or 75 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: you hold your leaders to a higher level of responsibility, 76 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: and you know, this is this is what this moment 77 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: is about. You know, who is the real patriot the 78 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: person that just shows up and salutes and says yes 79 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: sir and gets in line no matter what's going on, 80 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: or somebody who goes, no, my country has to be 81 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: better than that. We have to be we have to 82 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: be better in that. And I recuse myself from you know, 83 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: standing up and coming to the line as Ali did 84 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: when I think they're acting in a way that's not 85 00:03:58,840 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: in the interest of the citizens. 86 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: And you've been he's been very vocal too about talking 87 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: about politics. That's all you're talking about Trump, And when 88 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: you talk about Trump in a negative way when I 89 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: tell you they come for you. 90 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, come on, I mean, yeah, come on. 91 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: I always say it's so important who doesn't like you, 92 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: just as important it is as who does like you. Absolutely, 93 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: and so certain people I'm like, good, stay over there, 94 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: don't like me, don't for me, I don't. 95 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: Well that's the best. Yeah, that's that's one of the 96 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: best things about this moment is that you actually get 97 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: to see who everybody is. You know, It's like, okay, cool, 98 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: let your freak flag fly. I want to know who 99 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: you are. I want to understand when I go over 100 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: there that I'm p and G. I'm persona on grouded 101 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: for you. So yeah, just be just let's let's be 102 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: real about it. I'm not I'm not worried about that 103 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: at this moment. It's it's so much more important that 104 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: we do what we have to do and and come 105 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: together and push back on you know, I think this 106 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: is really a vote for democracy. This is really a 107 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: vote for are we going to buckle under to authoritarianism 108 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: or are we going to try to do something for 109 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: the country? 110 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: Beat that I got to put you on blast because 111 00:04:58,640 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: he said he didn't know who he wanted. 112 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: To for Yeah, I tried not to. 113 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: So much misinformation. 114 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: I know it's a lot of misinformation right now. 115 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 4: So it's like, I don't know what side of defense 116 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 4: I should you know, right, well, I'll tell. 117 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: You it's right. 118 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, But sometimes you know, there's so much out there, 119 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: and I think that Donald Trump does a great job 120 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: of making things seem true that's not true, and just 121 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: saying things like their facts even though they're not. And 122 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: people believe what they want to believe too. You can 123 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: choose to believe what's not real, right, and that's a choice. 124 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: I think it's about your feelings. And look, he's doing 125 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: something that is directly out of the mind comp playbook. 126 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: I mean, if you say a lie, of the bigger 127 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: the lie, and the more times you repeat it, the 128 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: more that it can can you know, be persuasive. And 129 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: he's on the mic and he's a he's P. T. 130 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,799 Speaker 2: Barnum and you know, we've we have not seen someone 131 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: like this in the political arena to this degree, and 132 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: clearly we're not equipped and able to respond in some ways. 133 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: And I think it is true that with all of 134 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: the different places that you can go and kind of 135 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: have your a la carte news experience that you don't 136 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: have to listen to opposing views and you don't have 137 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 2: to do your research. You can just point to one 138 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: source and go see that's what they're saying. Yeah, yeah, 139 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: And I think really this is you know, it's more 140 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: it's as much about feelings as it is about facts 141 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: right now, especially for the people who are like if 142 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: your feelings. It's like, I've never seen more people in 143 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: their feelings and if your feelings people in my life 144 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: stop it. You know, this is really about like how 145 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: people connect emotionally in some ways. To you don't want 146 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 2: that cognitive dissonance. You don't want to be feeling like 147 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: this is the truth. But this doesn't make me feel good, 148 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: So let me just go to what makes me feel good. 149 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: And I'm just gonna ride with that. And people are like, 150 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: this dude's funny. He's like he breaks the mold. He's 151 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: not your regular everyday politician. He's like, you know, he's 152 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: a tough guy. It's like any of those tricks if 153 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: you break them down and go but really, how like 154 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: but really how not just just making a statement. I'm like, really, 155 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: show me how he's a good businessman? Literally, show me that. 156 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: Please show me how he's not. In multiple ways. Everyone 157 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: can show you how he's not. Show me, name one 158 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: policy that he's enacted that has done anything for you 159 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: that's actually going to be progressive and help you in 160 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: your in your life. It's like, well, we were doing 161 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: better under him. He was able to bring in something 162 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: that was already happening before him and ride on the 163 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: wave of that. 164 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: Those texts that got signed that wasn't him, He didn't. 165 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: But what a brilliant thing he did is like hold 166 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: he held it up, yeah, until he could sign them. 167 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: That's brilliant. I mean, it's diabolically brilliant. But it's like 168 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: those kinds of things over and over again to me 169 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: tell you the character of who this dude is, and 170 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: I just you know, and what happened with the Supreme Court, 171 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: which I kind of blamed the Democrats for, It's like, 172 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: how did we let that happen? So I think there's 173 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: just if you dig into it and you really granular 174 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: about what's happening, I don't think there's I think there's 175 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: a delta between the two choices and it's not even close. 176 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: And sometimes playing by the rules is what really hurts 177 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: you because I feel like democrats can play by the 178 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: rules a whole lot, and then people who break the 179 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: rules and do what they want, they'll get certain results 180 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: a lot faster, but it's not done even the legal 181 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: way a lot of times. 182 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that's what we think have seen more than 183 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: anything during this term, is that it's not about what 184 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: you will do and if it's quote unquote right or wrong, 185 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: it's like what will the consequence be? And I think 186 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 2: that something else that Donald Trump was very a student 187 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: doing was you know, testing the fence everywhere and exploited 188 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: all of these sort of weaknesses in the system and 189 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: places that we were unequipped to deal with because we 190 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 2: never imagined they would be. 191 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: Challenged, like we needed a law to make sure. 192 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't know that we needed to have a 193 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: law that said, if you're a convicted fella, you cannot 194 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: be the president. That's not a law. He could be 195 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: con they didn't go to jail and serve from a 196 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: prison cent for prison cell. That's actually the law in 197 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: this country. So again, yes, nobody ever thought that we 198 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: would have to say anything like that. But that's something 199 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: that I mean, and it's not just him. Look, you know, 200 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: he's this is this has been in play since the 201 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: think tanks happen. You know, this is you know, Dick 202 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: Cheney is still around, these guys that you know, we're 203 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: under Nixon. We're seeing things that are coming to fruition 204 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: that put in play a long time ago. So I 205 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: just hope that people will get informed, not sort of 206 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 2: equalize these choices as if they're too they're too equally weighted. 207 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 2: This isn't really This democracy is in play right now 208 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: for real and real and real in the real world. 209 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: Thank you, go. 210 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 3: Ahead talking about character, talk about the role you're playing 211 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: in this film. 212 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: Nice see yeah right, I mean, okay, well I'll go nice. 213 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: It's still nice. 214 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: One of the first black detectives or the first black 215 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: detective in Atlanta, I think. 216 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: One of the one of the first black detectives is 217 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: probably true. 218 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: How'd you prepare for it? 219 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 2: Crack? Yeah, just I mean you can go through to 220 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: do acting exercise and research and all that, but if 221 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: you really want to break some stuff open, you gotta 222 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: get crazy. No, you know, there's a lot of research 223 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: about this guy. Uh, there's you can see video of 224 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: him being interviewed, and there's just a lot of research 225 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 2: about the police department at that time, and uh, the 226 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: first before he was a detective, he was you know, 227 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: he was he wasn't the first class of officers that 228 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 2: became officers police officers just in general, and then matriculated 229 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: moved his way up to becoming a detective. But yeah, 230 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: that that period of time, those his his descendants still 231 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: are around, you know. So, and we also had this 232 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: podcast to go off of that was yeah, I hear, 233 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: it was really it's really a great one. And that's 234 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: you know that, Plus the script that Shane wrote really 235 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: kind of gave us most of what we were going from. 236 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: I feel like you love a true story. I think 237 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: everybody kind of always more fascinating. I feel like then 238 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: a lot of times fiction true stories are like what 239 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: this really happens? 240 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: And again, to be one hundred, I'm gonna say, based 241 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: on a truth story, yeah, you have to because there's 242 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: poetic license we take everywhere. Always when you're doing these things, 243 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: characters get you know, combined, other things are omitted, things 244 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: take place at places that they didn't take place. But 245 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: the spirit of it, the truth of it, not the 246 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: facts of it, is clearly in here and it is 247 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 2: what it is, and it's based on yeah, this true story, 248 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: and absolutely I think it's always more fascinating because things 249 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: happen in real life. As we know that if you 250 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: saw in the script, I mean, let's go back to it. 251 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: If Trump existed in a script, they'd be like, dude, 252 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: take it down, that's too much. 253 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 3: You also love an accent man. 254 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes I hate it those oceans and preferred I 255 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: don't know about perfect. Thank you for saying yeah, it's 256 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: always that. That's that's a grind. It's something that's been 257 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 2: you know, but it's part and parcel of the character. 258 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: It's hard for anybody, I think when you have to 259 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: put on I think Will Smith, like everybody's had, you know, 260 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: people who are like that was great or not. I 261 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: remember when the Bob Marley movie came out, people were 262 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: very concerned. 263 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean it's it's challenging. Some people can 264 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: do it very easily. Some people have a real facility 265 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: for it. It's not easy for me. And it's something 266 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: that you know, when you're in your trailer going over 267 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: words and people are outside clowning around, You're like, dang, 268 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: I have to do this final I just do it 269 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: as me. 270 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: So Ocean's fourteen is happening. It feels like, I mean, 271 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: I can find hearing conversations about. 272 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: It and nobody called me. 273 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: How could they not, though, I mean, how could they not? 274 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: How can they not do it or not call you 275 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: if they're doing it. I mean, that's impossible, is it? 276 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 3: We need basheer. 277 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that we've seen 278 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: everything happen. I imagine if it's happening, they're going to 279 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: call me for sure, but I don't. I don't know 280 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: that it's happening. I just think it's been a lot 281 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 2: of talk. 282 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, a lot of talk about the script is 283 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: ready and they've been working on it. But you like 284 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: it though, right? You would? You would be willing? 285 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I mean it would depend you know 286 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: what I mean. Like I almost wasn't in the second 287 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: one because, uh, interesting story, the timing of it on 288 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: paper at the time is going to be a direct 289 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: conflict with Hotel Rwanda. 290 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: Oh, Hotelwanda's classic, And I was like, there's no way 291 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to do Ocean's twelve over Hotel over Hotel Rwanda, 292 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: So if I'm sorry, And then Brad playing the character 293 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: Achilles in the movie that he did tore his Achilles 294 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: and it pushed the movie eight weeks, which was the 295 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: window that I was able to do Oceans to How 296 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: crazy is that? All the times that you probably have 297 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: roles that you really wanted to do but timing wise 298 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: you couldn't. You know, that has to hurt sometimes when 299 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: you're like, man, I want to do it, but. 300 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna say honestly, I I'm sure that happens. 301 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: But I've rarely been in that situation. I've been very 302 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: fortunate and blessed in every word you want to use 303 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: to have the opportunity to do most of the things 304 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: that I've I've wanted to do in some ways they've 305 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: come together and you know, I've just been really blessed 306 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: in that way. But it doesn't always It always looks 307 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: easier than Like when when I was doing Hotel Rwanda 308 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: the first day, what was it lunch? And my agent 309 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 2: called me and he's like, how's it going. I'm like, oh, 310 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: it's great. He's like you, how are the is everything good? 311 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: The house? Yeah, with the kids are good, and the 312 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: kids are in school, they're good, doing everything's good. He's like, Okay, 313 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: I just want to let you know there's no money 314 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: in escrow for the movie. What are you talking about it. 315 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: He's like, there's no money in escrow for the movie. 316 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: So right now you're you're out. You're out there for free. 317 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: WHOA, that's a scary situation. 318 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, so what does that mean? He's like, 319 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. He goes, I don't know what it means. 320 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: It means if you stay out there. It's like I 321 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: can send you tickets and you can come home. It's like, 322 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: my kids are in I put my kids in school there. 323 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: You know that I'm out here with the three hundred 324 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: people in a production and a crew. It's like he's like, 325 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: I'm just telling you there's no money. I said, so 326 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: what's going to happen? He's like, well, Alex, who is 327 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: our producer at the time, He's like he's just going 328 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: to start putting it on his credit card and hope 329 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: that this waterfall, all these different waterfalls whenever you produce. 330 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: So often when you make an independent or a low 331 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: budget movie like that. I don't even know what the 332 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: budget was on Hotel Rount It maybe eight and a half, 333 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: maybe ten and a half. It wasn't that much, and 334 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: it went further in South Africa where we were filming it. 335 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: But there's all this waterfall of money that has to happen. 336 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: Like I'd say, we're all producers on it. It's like, well, 337 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: once Angel's money comes in and Don's money will come 338 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: in and beat outs money. It's like, but everybody's waiting 339 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: to be the second person to put their money. 340 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: In, right, and sometimes sometimes people pull out. 341 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's happened on my movie. I had a 342 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: producer five weeks before the movie say like, I think 343 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: I have a million dollars too much exposure Like that 344 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: mean he's like, I'm taking a million dollars out of 345 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: the movie. Now when you have an eight point five 346 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: million dollar budget, that's significant. 347 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: Yeah that's almost that's smart than Yeah. 348 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a week. That's you got to figure out 349 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: locations and maybe not parts you can people can't put 350 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 2: people in parts, and got to lose days on things, 351 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: and so it's it's really like, I mean, that's why 352 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 2: it's a miracle anything gets made outside the studio system. 353 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: It's still you think today though, because yeah, you think 354 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: it's worse it because I was going to say, with 355 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: technology and not having to have like you know how 356 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: they used to have to have the filming was different 357 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: and digitizing things, I would think in a way that 358 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: could make it easier, but no easier for who financially. 359 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: Well, No, look, I think that's the scary part about AI, right, 360 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: it'll be easier for them to put us in things 361 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: that you know, they don't have to pay us to 362 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: be there, and they don't have to, like, you know, 363 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: spend that capital on physical human beings. And they're also 364 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 2: using AI now to do schedules and to do boards 365 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 2: and to do you know, days and breakdowns and scripts 366 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 2: and all that stuff. They're taking the jobs away from 367 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: Those are all people that used to do those jobs. 368 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 3: I saw. 369 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: They'll lay people off, but then bring in a whole 370 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: new department for AI and spend money in that space. 371 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: Unlet's oppose on is that a black jobs? AI jobs 372 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 2: or black jobs? 373 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 4: Let's go great seeing you and Sam Jack in person again. 374 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 4: This is the second time you guys are on screen. 375 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 4: How was that chemistry? 376 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 2: Like, it's great, Sam and I have a great time. 377 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 2: You know, he comes from a similar background theater actor, 378 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 2: you know, takes it really seriously and very collaborative and 379 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: down to play and find stuff, and that's kind of 380 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: how I work. So I've known Sam Sam for a 381 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 2: long time and we've been hoping to be able to 382 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 2: do something that had something, and it was nice to 383 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: be able to do that. 384 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: Kevin Hart, really Kevin Heart, I don't know. He did 385 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: an amazing job here. I do want to say that, 386 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: oh that short dude, Yeah yeah, sure he is short. Yeah, 387 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: but he did an amazing job. I just want to 388 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: But I can't even imagine what this was like with 389 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: you guys on camera together. 390 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 2: It was every day, every day, every day. 391 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: Lori Harvey's in the in the series as well. I mean, 392 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: how was it for you, like as far as having 393 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: people around you, because it's all different levels of acting 394 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: you know, around you, and like you said, you do 395 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: come from theater, so does Samuel L. Jackson. But then 396 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: you have you know, people like Chloe Bailey who's newer 397 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: added and Lori Harvey. Yeah, so how is that like 398 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: on set? Are you giving advice to the yo? I mean, 399 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: because you're also a director, so that could be something 400 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: really helpful to have you Like in the second job. 401 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I've I've worn every hat you know, the 402 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 2: director written, and I think that that's good when you 403 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: can be additive, and you can you can be helpful. 404 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: And I try to be full service and not just 405 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 2: be like, just take care of myself and my own 406 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 2: performance and my thing. You have to do that, that's 407 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: job one. But you know, if you have the ability 408 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 2: to see around a corner and understand that, oh, this 409 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 2: is something that would be helped if we did this 410 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 2: or that or move this this way, you know, and 411 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: then you know you mentioned Sam again, dude who's steeped 412 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 2: in the game, and Taraji too, Terrence to the right, 413 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: you know. So there's a lot of years and when 414 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: we're all pulling in the same direction and trying to 415 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: accomplish the same things, then it's it's helpful and it's 416 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 2: it's necessary because you never have enough time, you know, 417 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 2: you never have all the resources you need, and you 418 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 2: can be an impediment to the process if you sit 419 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: on your heels or you know, just make it me, me, me, 420 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 2: And that was not what this experience was at all. Everybody, 421 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 2: like I said, was was on board with the story 422 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: and wanted to really get the best out of it. 423 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 3: My character. 424 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: I'm on one side of you've seen the first five. 425 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 2: I'm like on one side of the show for most 426 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 2: of the show, and it's not until the fifth or 427 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 2: sixth episode I think when it's I kind of start 428 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: to even meet those other characters, right, So that that 429 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: was a whole you know, it was kind of happened 430 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 2: in two parts. For me. 431 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: There was some really key parts in here where that 432 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: I loved that you had. For instance, like when you 433 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: found out you had to protect Muhammad Ali and then 434 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: there was a moment when he was fighting and you 435 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: were like yes. I was like, finally, this is Muhammad Ali. 436 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: Because it seemed like at first you didn't even want 437 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: that job. So why was that a job that would 438 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: have been considered something that was like beneath what you do? 439 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: Well, it's not what he was. That's how how does 440 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: that get you on your path to being a detective? 441 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 2: You know? How is that actually police work? I think 442 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: for JD police make security exactly exactly. 443 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 1: You have to go to the fight, yeah, bring out 444 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: with Muhammad Ali. 445 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that ain't what he That's not what his 446 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: character ever was in it for He really had, you know, 447 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 2: a path that he was trying to be on and 448 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 2: taking this detour to make sure that this guy doesn't 449 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 2: get assaulted, which also looks like a sucker play for him. 450 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 2: It's like the amount of death threats that he had 451 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 2: and the amount of hatred that was around him. He's like, now, 452 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: what happens if this dude gets shot on my watch? 453 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: Now I'm like demoted for a thing I didn't even 454 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 2: want to do. You know, so, I think from JD's perspective, 455 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: this was not you know, this was a sidestep at best, 456 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: and even some in some ways of demotion. 457 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 3: Okay, what does j D's family think about your role? 458 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 2: I have not talked to him, but no one's showed 459 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: up with a you know. Well, look, there's a lot 460 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 2: of As you said, I've done this a lot. I've 461 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: played real life characters and I've had you know, when 462 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 2: we did when Hotel Rwanda screened at the Toronto Film Festival, 463 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: the guy who I played and his wife sat right 464 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 2: next to me during this pressure. 465 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of pressure, lots of pressure. 466 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: So that's you know, it's great to have them as 467 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: a resource, and it's great to have them there to 468 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 2: be able to check with. And you know, when I 469 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: played the Goat, when I did you know Rebound? He 470 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: was there. Earl Manigat was there. So it's again it's great, 471 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: but it is it can be intimidating. 472 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 4: Right, You've worn many hats, like you said earlier, and 473 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 4: you have also a multi time Grammy Award winner. 474 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 3: Ten years ago you started next to jay Z in 475 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 3: the Run trailer. Can you talk about that experience? 476 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: It was brief, but we had a good time. 477 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 3: You know. 478 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 2: We shot a little like improv video where we were 479 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 2: playing poker and just like we're just improv It doesn't 480 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: really show up a lot and you don't hit hear 481 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: it in the video it's all the song. But yeah, 482 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: there's a whole scene that we just improvd and and 483 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 2: we're messing around with and it was fun to do. 484 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 2: It's fun to do. 485 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: And Kendrick, yes, does that mean you paid attention to 486 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: like the battles? I know you like hip hop? So 487 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: were you paying attention to? 488 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: How could you not pay it? Under a rock? 489 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: What happened? 490 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 2: No attention was paid? And you know, to talk about 491 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: acting like when we shot that video, Kendrick was so 492 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: like with it, you know what I mean? He was 493 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 2: so like between takes, you know, and in our part 494 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 2: of the video. He's handcuffed to the table and he's, 495 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: you know, doing his whole stuff and cuffs and we'd 496 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: cut and they would go to take the handcuffs off 497 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 2: and he'd be like, Noah in character, and he's in character. 498 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 2: He stayed in them the whole video. I was like, 499 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 2: does he know that he doesn't. 500 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 3: He's in the cameras. 501 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: He's like no, he's dead, like really committed. And I 502 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: had wanted him. He was something that I had thought 503 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: about casting in my movie that I did miles ahead 504 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: and have him played the role of Junior, and we 505 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: talked about it for a long time and he was 506 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 2: ultimately he said, I don't think I'm ready to do that, 507 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: and I'm kind of working on a project right now 508 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 2: and I kind of don't want to, like I have 509 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: to see that through, and I also don't want to 510 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: come in here halfway. And I'm like, no, I get it. 511 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 2: And it was to Pimp a Butterfly. I was like, 512 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: I think you made the right choice on that one. 513 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: Oh, that's commendable because somebody would be like, let me 514 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: pause my album because that's a huge wow. I can't 515 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: even imagine that. 516 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. He's that kind of a dude. 517 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 2: And he had called me up one day and he's like, you, 518 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: what are you doing? And I kind of took a 519 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 2: screenshot of when I was writing the movie and I 520 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 2: had all these three by five cards laid out on 521 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,719 Speaker 2: the counter and he's like what is that? Like, Oh, 522 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out what scenes go where 523 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 2: and how to organize that. And he's like, why would 524 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: you do that? And we were on the phone for 525 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 2: an hour with him just so curious and so inquisitive 526 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: about the writing process and how it works and how 527 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 2: do you prepare this and why would you move that 528 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 2: scene there? I was like, Wow, this dude's just a 529 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 2: curious He's just a very curious dude. Yeah. I did 530 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 2: kindrink a lot. 531 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: Oh and then we were talking about how you really 532 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: do get into these roles. And even after you did 533 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: Hotel Rwanda, you were very involved in making sure that 534 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: you were active when it came to Darfur and everything. 535 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: So tell me about the impact that movie had on 536 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: you and why you were so intentional after that and 537 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: still continue to make sure you bring attention. 538 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 2: Well, that that was something that it wasn't a plan. 539 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: You know, I didn't go into it with when I 540 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 2: took the movie, I didn't. I didn't know anything about 541 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: what had happened. Wanted and I saw a Frontline documentary 542 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 2: which is amazing about it and you know, tragic and 543 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: really really sad. But that was the first I became 544 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 2: interested in it. And then after the movie came out, 545 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 2: we were approached by a bunch of congressmen, Democrats and 546 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 2: Republicans and they were getting ready to go on a codel. 547 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: Congressional delegation was getting ready to go to darfour or not. 548 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 2: They couldn't get into darfour, but they were going to 549 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: go to they were going to go to Chad. They 550 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 2: were going to meet with the African Union to try 551 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: to bring attention and awareness. And we did a screening 552 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 2: at MGM and they said, we're going to go on 553 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 2: this codel. Would do you want to go with us? 554 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: I was like yeah, you know, so on the way over, 555 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: you know, they briefed me about everything that was happening. 556 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 2: I brought another guy, John Prendergast, who I co wrote 557 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 2: a book with, and Uh and Paul Recess Beginning, who 558 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: I play in the in Hotel Rwanda. We all went 559 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 2: UH on this congressional delegation and then when they left, 560 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: we stayed behind and we were actually UH able to 561 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: with the African Union. We snuck into Darfur through Chad. 562 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 2: We snuck into Sudan and saw one of these villages 563 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 2: and saw the aftermath of that, and went to a 564 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 2: refugee camp, and just having that experience, you just become 565 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 2: sensitized in a way that is different than just hearing 566 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: about it. No, meeting survivors of the genocide, talking to 567 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 2: people on the ground who have experienced at firsthand, meeting 568 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: with these NGOs who have committed their lives and dedicated 569 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 2: their lives to to bringing awareness and trying to stop this. 570 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: You personally not every and and and it's not I 571 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: don't think it's everyone's responsibility. I'm not saying like how 572 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 2: could you not? I'm going I could not. 573 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: You could not. 574 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 2: After I walked away be like, well, I got this 575 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: platform and I have all this way I think to 576 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: raise awareness and attention, but now I'm not going to 577 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: do that. I was like, how what can I do? 578 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: What can we do? And how can we become involved 579 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: to try to stem the tide? And we did a 580 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: lot of different things. You know, we tried a lot 581 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: of things, and for a moment, it looked as if 582 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: there was going to be you know, there was a ceasefire, 583 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: it's looking like there was going to be another civil war. 584 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 2: But right now you look at the continent and you 585 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: see what's not the country the country now and it's 586 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 2: it's devolved pretty dramatically. It's it's really bad. There's a 587 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 2: huge humanitarian crisis there that that at levels that we 588 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 2: saw before, you know, not more than even before when 589 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: it looked like it was when the genocide was happening. 590 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: So it's it's really one of those things where you 591 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 2: take two steps forward and take three steps back and 592 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 2: you have to, you know, continue to double down and 593 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 2: try to keep doing what we're doing. Thank you for 594 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 2: asking because it gives me the opportunity to talk about it. 595 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: Again, right, No, I appreciate that, and and like you said, 596 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: everybody is not responsible to do that, but I feel like, 597 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: how could you not when you have an opportunity to 598 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: see something like that and then say what is my 599 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: responsibility as a human being? You know? And then the 600 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: movie Crash, of course that was a phenomenal movie, but 601 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: that was something that you also came on to produce, right, Yeah, 602 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: it was first producer. You're the first producer anyway. 603 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 2: Bobby Moresco was Paul's close friend and he was also 604 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 2: produced it and Paul produced it. 605 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: As well, and you were. But you were the first 606 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: actor to sign on, so that really helped everybody else 607 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: kind of get on board too. Yeah. 608 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I went. Yeah, I went around the country and 609 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: talked to folks and grab people and you. 610 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: Know, did you really you really physically went Yeah. 611 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 3: So you got Luda, Chris in. 612 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: There, Chris and Terrence. 613 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, now hear you and Terrence Howard I was here, 614 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: was flawless in this fight night by the way out. 615 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: As soon as he came on the screen, I was like, 616 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: I like. 617 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 2: That here, Yeah, a white Barbie do you had a 618 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: nice yeah? 619 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: Pressed, But yeah, so that was an important story, you 620 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: felt like, well stories to be able to tell. 621 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: Well, I just that was purely from an artistic standpoint. 622 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 2: I read the I read the script and I was like, Wow, 623 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 2: it's rare that I read a script and I'm like, 624 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: I wouldn't change it, you know, I'm like, this is great. 625 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: I saw people were really upset with that movie. I 626 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 2: think that in some ways maybe didn't take it as 627 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: it was. It was an allegory to me. It wasn't 628 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: supposed to be seen as literal as much as it 629 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: was a bunch of what ifs, right, you know, because 630 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: of course all these storylines overlap and intersect, and you know, 631 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 2: life doesn't work like that. But in this instance, I 632 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 2: thought it was really, you know, a compelling story. And yeah, 633 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: Paul and I went around to studio after studio after 634 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: studio trying to raise the money for that, and yeah, 635 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 2: part of what I did was try to talk to 636 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: actors and get them to say. 637 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: Yes, you think Hollywood is better now than it was 638 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: when it has to be better than when you first started. 639 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: In what regard as far as I getting we're getting 640 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: their respect that, you know, because I would feel like danteto. 641 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: Oh you mean for me personally, well, okay, yeah, let's 642 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: look at it. What's the bucket? 643 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a Danceeto can make a call. 644 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: You don't have to audition for anything. 645 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: No but that. But but I think it's you know, conversely, 646 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: harder to find the kinds of projects that I want 647 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 2: to do, okay, you know, and to even if you 648 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: do find the kind of project to actually get it 649 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: over the finish line. It's very difficult right now. I 650 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 2: think Hollywood is quote unquote Hollywood writ large is suffering, 651 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: and you can see that in how these you know, 652 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 2: legacy studios are. You know, I think Warner Brothers wrote 653 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: down nine billion dollars in losses this year and then 654 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: Paramount came out and they're nine billion behind. I mean, 655 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 2: there's you're going to see like three studios in the future. 656 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: There's gonna be like, you know, two places or three 657 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 2: places to make movies. And the movies that they're gonna 658 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 2: make are gonna be these tent pole, four quadrant huge 659 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 2: movies because they have to try to get their money back. 660 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: So they're taking many, many fewer shots than they used 661 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 2: to take, and it's hard to find the money. And this, 662 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 2: of course streamers completely changed the game. Yeah, it's happening everywhere. 663 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 2: And if like again, if you could have seen around 664 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 2: a corner, you would been able to see this coming. 665 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 2: And it's harder and harder for artists of all walks 666 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 2: to to to to find ways and places and finances 667 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: and opportunities to get these important or not even important 668 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: because that's a medicine word. But to get these special 669 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 2: you know, authentic to them and sort of particular things made, 670 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: because it's hard to make the argument to somebody who's 671 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 2: going to be paying for it, how they're going to 672 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 2: get their money out of it. 673 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: We were talking about Francis for a Coppola and how 674 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: he did Mechalabolis and he he borrowed a hundred million 675 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: dollars against his wine company to get it done. But 676 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: it made like between five and seven million dollars exactly 677 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: the first week in the box office. 678 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying. So and they will point 679 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 2: to that as a reason to not ever do that again. 680 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: So everything is in the rear view mirror, like what 681 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 2: is it done for me lately? You know, how did 682 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 2: it do in the past, And people are always trying 683 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 2: to chase that thing that worked before, and we know 684 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 2: that that's rarely, if ever, how anything original and interesting 685 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 2: gets made. You know, it's it gets you know, if 686 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 2: people are trying to just you know, replicate what's come before, 687 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: it's just going to be a bunch of the same 688 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 2: kind of stuff we've seen. And you guys know, we 689 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 2: all know as consumers, there's that that there's a zillion 690 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 2: things out there, but how many things are you like 691 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 2: dying to look at? 692 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: Well, Marvel's usually a short shot, right I was going 693 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: to say, is it difficult because you're part of one 694 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: of the highest grossing movies of all time? 695 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 2: I am difficult in one way. 696 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 4: Difficult because it's like other non comic based movies might 697 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 4: not necessarily get the same sort of appreciation. 698 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 2: Or absolute variety. It's difficult for Marvel too, quote unquote. 699 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 2: I mean it's like, look, I think it's not easy 700 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: for anyone right now in this business, given what has 701 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 2: happened and post COVID post strikes, you know, pre what's 702 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 2: happening in this election post everyone trying to figure out 703 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: how the money is going to cut, who's gonna get what. 704 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 2: Every studio kind of messed itself up trying to chase Netflix. 705 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 2: Netflix is the only one that's crushed it, and it's 706 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: still crushing it and figured all that stuff out. And 707 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 2: there's a lot of tap dancing right now happening. There's 708 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 2: a lot of uncertainty and layoffs, and you know, it's sweaty, 709 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 2: and it's sweaty in Hollywood right now for sure, and 710 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 2: not just because of that tape. 711 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: Don Teto has to go, but you this was such 712 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: a blessing to have you here today, honestly, Like, and. 713 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 2: Where's the so I thought it was. I thought there 714 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 2: was like some money it's supposed to happen. 715 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: Yes, the check is in the mail. 716 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 2: I hate that. 717 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: Actually, Kevin Hart has it. But make sure you guys 718 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: watch Fighting Out. It is amazing, amazing series. When I 719 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: tell you, when I first started watching it, that's definitely 720 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: a binge worthy show to get into. And it's got 721 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: its funny moments. It's got you on the edge of 722 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: your seat Taji. I mean that moment where she had 723 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: to yeah, man, oh that's all I have to say, 724 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: you know exactly. You gotta watch it if you haven't 725 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: watched it. But I feel like people are into and 726 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: shout out to Bill Packer too. 727 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 2: Shout out to Will Yeah. 728 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: I love the work that he does and he's so 729 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: supportive of other creatives as well, And I think that's 730 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: a safe place for people to feel like I can 731 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: work with Bill Packer and feel good like on set. 732 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, he put it down this for sure. On this one. 733 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: On set must have been so much fun. I can't 734 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: even imagine what this might be real? All right, well anyway, 735 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: but Angela dono thank you.