1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes with Kyle Gibson and Lance Lynn and gentlemen, 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: we start, as we usually do, with some good old 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: fashioned begging. We're talking about getting new subscribers. So the 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: deal was, they told us get to five thousand. We 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: blew past that, then we blew past six thousand. So 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: we're asking you, if you enjoy Cardinal Territory, go ahead 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: and go ahead and hit that subscriber button. If you 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: don't mind and enjoy the show, subscribe and help us 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: get to that seven thousand goal. 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: Okay. 12 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: The Cardins made a trade this week, not a glamorous one, 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: but they did make a deal. They sent Andre Grenillo 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: to the Nets for George Soriano. Sorriana, a righty reliever, 15 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: bounce around the waiver wire a little bit with four 16 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: different teams since November one hundred and eighteen big league 17 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: innings in his career ERA of eight last year, which 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: isn't great, and he has no options left. As for Grenello, 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: we saw him a little bit last year, I think 20 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: fourteen games with the Cardinals, both guys relievers. Grenello actually 21 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: had pretty good numbers at at Triple A one point 22 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: twenty nine ERA fifty eight, K's forty two innings at 23 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: at Memphis. Kyleis start with you, So this one, I think, 24 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: understanding that it's a rebuild and maybe you like a 25 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: guy you see something like in Sriano you can fix. 26 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: But tell me your thoughts on this deal, because I 27 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: thought Grenello might be a guy that the Cardinals like 28 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: for the future. 29 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 30 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of deals like this that 31 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 3: unless were in the inner workings and we can hear 32 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: exactly why they're doing it and what they like about. Uh, 33 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: it's probably gonna be unfair speculation about both players, honestly. 34 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 3: You know, I saw a Brendia when I was in 35 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 3: Triple A with the Rays last summer. 36 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 2: I saw him a couple of times, and he was 37 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: a tough a b for the Triple A guys from Tampa. 38 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 3: He he had nasty stuff, something to his delivery, hid 39 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 3: a little bit of what he was doing, and you know, 40 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 3: I thought he had really good stuff in that chance 41 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 3: to be pretty good. So obviously how I'm in the 42 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 3: front office thinks the same about Sorianto, and you know, 43 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: whatever it might be, they think that you know, a 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 3: little bit more experienced, who knows right all the speculation 45 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 3: might just be unfair. 46 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 2: So you know, if we're gonna. 47 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 3: Trust him to make the moves for you know, with 48 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 3: Donovan and Aeronado and everybody else, then I say we 49 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: let this one play out and see what mister Toreana lasts. 50 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: So Lance, I think that's all given. But we're in 51 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: the business of speculating little in your career, and you've 52 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: been around baseball a long time, whether guys that you 53 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: know the coaching staff saw some in or you saw 54 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: some in where maybe the numbers had in no way 55 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: reflecting the ability to reflect what this kid was capable 56 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: of in your eyes, with a team's. 57 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 4: Eyes, Yeah, I think it comes down to, uh, you know, 58 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 4: the being put in the right circumstances. Maybe they see 59 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 4: a pitch ah, you know, bad usage number or something 60 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,119 Speaker 4: like that that can boost him up and go from there. Yeah, 61 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 4: you see, you see all kinds of different stuff. I 62 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 4: haven't like, dug down deep into his pitch arsenal and 63 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 4: maybe why he hasn't had success at the major league 64 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 4: level over the last couple of years. I mean, I 65 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 4: think they're both the same age. You know one of 66 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 4: them has multiple years of options left, so if you 67 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 4: look at it that way, it's kind of a scratch 68 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 4: your head move, especially where you're at you want to 69 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 4: have some roster flexibility. If Soriano comes in and has 70 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 4: a really bad camp and you know it, breaks camp 71 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 4: with the team and has a bad April, he's gone 72 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 4: and then you lose two years of controllable are or 73 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 4: pre ar years from you know, from when the Cardinals 74 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 4: gave up. So it's a if they hit on him, 75 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 4: it's a great move if he gets designated at any 76 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 4: point during this year, because you don't have a spot 77 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 4: on the roster, it's a bad moon. So that's kind 78 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 4: of where they're at. So hopefully they see something and 79 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 4: there's something that the big league staff can say, Hey, 80 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 4: this guy can be a reliable reliever. If we eliminate 81 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 4: this bitch, use this pitch more and getting maybe this pitch, 82 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 4: you'll also getting more on less strikes up kle Have. 83 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: You seen a guy in your career where like you 84 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: saw something that maybe the numbers didn't bear out. I'm 85 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: sure you have where you're like, it's a small fix 86 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: for this guy and then he'll be really good because 87 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of guys with little, little 88 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: defects in their mechanics that can be fixed pretty quickly. 89 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, that's that's really most guys, Jim, you know, 90 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: most guys that have had big league time and have 91 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 3: struggled a little bit or a lot even Uh, they're 92 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 3: just not normally massive overhauls away from being average above average. 93 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: You know, that's really what separates, uh, they're good from 94 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 3: the great, you know, the blow average to the average. 95 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I think I definitely think that 96 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 3: there's gonna be something that you know, Dusty and and 97 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 3: him and those fans see with him, you know, after 98 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: having facing him possibly at multiple levels where multiple teams 99 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 3: and and what they like. You know, we're looking at 100 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: the pitch profile here. You obviously he's got a you know, 101 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 3: a couple of pitches that move to the right, couple 102 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 3: of pitches and move one he pitched and moves. 103 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 2: To the left. You know, it's it's hard to look 104 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: at that and say, here's what you got. 105 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: But you know, maybe there's something we're I don't think 106 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: we can underestimate what the Cardinals R and D and. 107 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 2: Pitching people can do. 108 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 3: With when they see a delivery and they see how 109 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 3: so you know, clearly there's something that they like to 110 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: to give up Vervilla who had had good stuff. 111 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: So one of the things about Soriano is that he 112 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: gives up some home runs, which every pitcher gives up 113 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: home runs. But he gave up one point seventy five 114 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: homers per nine innings in his in his major league career, 115 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: which isn't you know, a huge sample size, but over 116 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: one hundred innings and lance every pitcher has dealt with 117 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: gopher balls. 118 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 5: What's the key to not giving up home runs? 119 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously don't put fat pitches over the middle 120 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: of the plate, but what's the what's the key? 121 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 4: I feel like this was like a pointed question because 122 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 4: I led the league of home runs given year. So 123 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 4: I gave up forty four home runs one year, and 124 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 4: you lead the league. I see how it is. But 125 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 4: you know also to like one hundred ninety seven or 126 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 4: one hundred ninety three innings that year and almost punched 127 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 4: that two hundred, so you know there's there's. 128 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: Good in the bad. 129 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 4: I think the number one thing that I got from 130 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 4: my year of leading the league at home runs, so 131 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 4: I know by experience, by giving up two home runs 132 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 4: too many home runs you know throughout a year is uh, 133 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 4: you get yourself in bad counts. You get yourself in 134 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 4: bad counts, and then you got to you gotta do 135 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 4: things that you don't want to do and come into 136 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 4: places you don't want to come into because you get predictable. 137 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 4: You try things that maybe not might not work, and 138 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 4: then you get yourself in a hitter's count and you 139 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: make a mistakes and then once you start feeling like 140 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 4: you have to be perfect every time, then more mistakes happen. 141 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 4: So maybe it's eliminated a pitch for him. Maybe there's 142 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 4: one pitch that just seems to get him in trouble. 143 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 4: Maybe it's a count, maybe it's a you know, a 144 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 4: tip or something like that. So there's a lot of 145 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 4: different things that can change. Number one thing you look 146 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 4: at is there is there a pitch that gives up 147 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 4: the most home runs? Okay, where's it give it up? 148 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: Or where you know, we're in the quadrants of the 149 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 4: strike zone a m I getting beaten? Why and try 150 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 4: to stay out of there? And then next thing you know, okay, 151 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 4: maybe this pitch usage after this pitch the tunnel a 152 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 4: little bit better and stuff like that that could really 153 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 4: ease some of the things, and then gives you confidence 154 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 4: because you see pictures get away with Pauls right down 155 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 4: the middle, and you see pictures give up home runs 156 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 4: on quality pitches. You' just got to be able to 157 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 4: make sure you put them in the right spots, the 158 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 4: right hitters and not you know, coming to the zones 159 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 4: that you don't want to be in, especially if you're 160 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 4: behind account. So get ahead, use your best pitches. Maybe 161 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 4: they see a sample of where they can eliminate a 162 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 4: pitch where it gets me back in the count more 163 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 4: of a picture friendly count, and then it can you know, 164 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 4: kind of expand from there and do some things from there. 165 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: Last brought up tipping pitches, which I think is a 166 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: fascinating thing because it's not just young pictures. Every picture 167 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: evolves over his career, and you see sometimes veterans end 168 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: up with some of they're trying tipping pitches right and 169 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: they know better, but they just didn't notice it about 170 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: what they had started to do maybe recently. So, Kyle, 171 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: have you ever dealt with that where like I'm not 172 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: talking about as a youngster where you needed help to 173 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: evolve to get to the bigs. But as a veteran pitcher, 174 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: you're like, wait a minute, I'm doing this now, and 175 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: this might be a giveaway, Jim. 176 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: I would love to believe that every time I had 177 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 3: a bad dame, I was tipping pitches. You know, That's 178 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 3: just something that I really like to think in the 179 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 3: back of my head. Then maybe those guys knew what 180 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: was coming. You know, Cleveland Indians from twenty thirteen to 181 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, there's no doubt they knew what was coming. 182 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 3: You know, everybody hit three fifty to four hundred off 183 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 3: of me. So it wasn't the fact they were big leaguers, 184 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 3: is the fact that I was definitely telling them what's coming. 185 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: I hope no, I mean I think there is. 186 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 3: You know you can't it's something simple here, so I'll like, 187 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: I'll kind of I might lose the top of my 188 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: happier boy. 189 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: You know, it's nothing simple as when you throw your curveball. 190 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: You know, maybe you go from here and your glove 191 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: to here, and then you can take your glove hand 192 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 3: and your hands won't work together right, so you can 193 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: easily be upright then on. 194 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: Your curve boil. 195 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 3: You just let your glove down because you're throwing a 196 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: hand lads your glove down, you know, and then as 197 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 3: you come up, instead of raising your fingers up with 198 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 3: your knee lift, you're raising your thumb up with your 199 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 3: knee lift. 200 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: You know. 201 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: There's so many things that that. 202 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 3: Can be done to give away one pitch or whatever 203 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: it might be, and it just doesn't have to be 204 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: your most used pitch, that's the thing. 205 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: It can be the pitch that you throw ten to 206 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: twelve times a game, and if that's the wrong time 207 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: you throw it, the hitters can capitalize on it. 208 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 3: A big one that I think I had to deal 209 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: with was how wide I flatter my glove when like 210 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: change up, you know, having bigger hands and throwing a 211 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 3: circle change up with the. 212 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: Ball stating here, you know, it's a little bit easier. 213 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 3: It can steal a fastball a little bit harder once 214 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 3: your hand opens up for a change up, you know, 215 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 3: and it flares that glove a little bit, so you know, 216 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 3: and then this guy's got on second base, and I 217 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 3: started thinking about that more. 218 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: I really had to can steal the opening up the 219 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: glove to. 220 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: Second base, and you know, worrying about that, So yeah, 221 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 3: I mean, if you're not thinking about that in weird games, 222 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 3: you know, where you give up ten twelve hens three 223 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 3: four innutes, then I think you're probably messing up, because 224 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: you know, little things that can give the hitter. 225 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: A little bit of advantage, could to be a pick thing. Lance. 226 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: Of all the guys he played with, give me some 227 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: names the guys that had the best eye for spotting tipping. 228 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 4: Kyle was one of the good ones. It was on 229 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 4: it every day when I first came up, your Chris Carpenter's, 230 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 4: your loss, your Wainwright's we're big and too honing in 231 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 4: on it and stuff like that. And then as a 232 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 4: as a teammate of Carlos, Botron had the ability to 233 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 4: literally see things that nobody else could, and he could 234 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 4: slow it down as since where he could actually use 235 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 4: it in a box that I've never seen anyone else accomplish. 236 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 4: I've seen hitters that don't want anything because it gets 237 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 4: them in between. Where where Carlos could would literally see 238 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 4: a guy's when he hands broke, he could see it 239 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 4: one of the pitches on its way. He could be 240 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 4: like what I saw him and his curveball around his back, 241 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 4: or he came straight back on his heater, so he 242 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 4: can literally look at a guy's hip to see where 243 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 4: his hand placement comes up, and then he would sit 244 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 4: on a pitch from there, and a lot of guys 245 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 4: that's impossible to do because the game's too quick. The 246 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 4: pitches are going everywhere. So he was one of the 247 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 4: best I've ever seen at in the box being able 248 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 4: to get something that late and actually use it. So 249 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 4: that was kind of wild to me as a young age. 250 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 4: And you look at it, it's like he could see 251 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 4: Wainwright's curveball on his break of his hand with his 252 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 4: front glove being open or closed, and it was it 253 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 4: was literally that and that it was like you'd squeeze 254 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 4: on his heater and do this and he's like, hey, 255 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 4: you pop your glove on your on your breaking ball. 256 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 4: Most guys can't sit on that pitch, but if you 257 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 4: see the pop of the glove, it's like, okay, sit 258 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 4: on breaking ball or just don't swing. Guys that are 259 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 4: really good at it, it's like, hey, when I see this, 260 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 4: I'm not going to swing until I have to too. 261 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 5: Strike count. 262 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 4: Some guys see it and they fit and they get 263 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 4: into auto swing too, so it gets them in Trouble, 264 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 4: where Carlos was like, Okay, I know you throw this 265 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 4: pitch and this pitch off off of tight glove. I'm 266 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 4: looking for those two until I have to cover. You know, 267 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 4: one of the best hitting coaches I've ever heard said, hey, 268 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 4: you can't hit slider, well, just stop swinging at it 269 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 4: until you have to, and then just fail it off. 270 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 4: So when you can, you know you can't hit a pitch, 271 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 4: and you try to hit it, it's just gonna make 272 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 4: you miss other things. So Colors would eliminate one pitch 273 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 4: and not mess with it until you had to. 274 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: Boy, it's got to be vigilant. We're gonna take a 275 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: quick break here. 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Hey, I want to circle back before 300 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: we talk about an old friend of ours to Kyle 301 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: cal do you have any stories of tipping pitches that 302 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: might be interesting, maybe someone that helped you or someone 303 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: that you believe have the best eyes to find that 304 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: that you had ever seen. 305 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 3: Brian Doser was really really good in Minnesota, and he's 306 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: similar to last saying about carlos Man. He could take 307 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 3: it to the box and he just said that when 308 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 3: he got in the box, the little things that he 309 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 3: saw just out at him, and he was so laser 310 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: focused that he was able to take just the smallest things. 311 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: And there was a prominent lefty in the American League 312 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 3: Central one year that Tory Hunter and Brian Newsier ended 313 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 3: up with a tip on and the Minnesota Twins. This 314 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: we had the tip on on a couple of his pitches, 315 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: and he struggled against the Twins and we lost nearly 316 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 3: one hundred games and twenty sixteen and every other team 317 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 3: he dominated, And yeah, I don't I think he might 318 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 3: have finished like sect or third in the side, you know, 319 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 3: in that year, possibly without the Twins. I don't know, 320 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 3: but it was just it was one of those things 321 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 3: where dooser saw it and then he started talking about it. 322 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: Everybody like, oh wow, there it was. And I don't know. 323 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: We faced him four or five times and. 324 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, the best guy that I ever saw at that 325 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: good do you have your hands raised? 326 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 4: Go ahead, lance Lynn, I'm guessing the player Chris sale. 327 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: Christa was him. I don't know why I can seal 328 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: the name right, like I mean, I felt like I 329 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 2: was being a secret. I think he's probably fixed. Yeah, 330 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: he fixed it since then. But I'm telling you what. 331 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: You go back and look at twenty sixteen. 332 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: I think it was twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen when our 333 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: guys fought Oh. 334 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: My gosh, it was like, I don't know. It wasn't 335 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: like he never got through five innings. 336 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 3: He would always get through five innings, but it'd be, 337 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: you know, the only games of the month that he'd 338 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: give up four or five roads. And without the Minnesota Twins, 339 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 3: I think he had like a low two. 340 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: And I think maybe he had like a seven or 341 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 2: a seven and a half against the Twins that year. 342 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: And if he starts, you're a good guy. 343 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 5: You don't want to give it up. But years have 344 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 5: gone by. All is good? Now, all right, Well, I 345 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 5: don't just want to say. 346 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like if it was Lance, 347 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: I'd put it all out there and then i'd get 348 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: a text from Lance. 349 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: I'd better what you do about it. I don't know 350 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: Chris so like, I don't know if he really likes 351 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: that to be brought up. You know, I don't want to. 352 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: I'm sure somebody could bring up a nice oh hey, 353 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 3: do you remember the time you give a four string 354 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 3: homers to the Cardinals? He somebody could do that to me, 355 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 3: And yeah, that's the way fun. 356 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: But your tipping, though, I could have been tipping like 357 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: Jim Edmonds was great. Jim Edmonds had eyes. He could 358 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: be up in the booth and see the spin on 359 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: the ball, like he must have the greatest eyes in 360 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: the history of baseball. But that guy could pick up anything. Lance, 361 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: did you ever see any of that? 362 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 4: I mean we played with I mean, if you play 363 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 4: with Albert, Carlos and YACHTI they were like that. Just 364 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 4: every hitter was different at being able to put a 365 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 4: quality swing on it and getting the you know, the 366 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 4: results they want. So those guys were able to do that. 367 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 4: Yatta's ability when he first came up was not the 368 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 4: best offensive guy, but then Albert taught him how to, 369 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 4: I guess, set on pitches, read, read, you know, tips 370 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 4: and do all that and that's when you know Yatti, 371 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 4: you know, really did what he did. But Albert was 372 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 4: great at it too, where it was like, hey, I 373 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 4: see this, this and this. Albert and Yatti could do 374 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 4: that on a guy on the mound where he's like, hey, 375 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 4: it been when he starts his delivery and they had 376 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 4: the invisible cloak where they get still second base and 377 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 4: you're like, how you know how two guys that are 378 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 4: not the fastest still bags, but they knew exactly that 379 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 4: they're not paying attention. I would not paying attention when 380 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 4: they start their wind up or they're from their stretch 381 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 4: when they start to go, and they and then they 382 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 4: timed it perfectly every time. So there's a few players 383 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 4: like that on every team that can do it. And 384 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 4: then there's guys that just hey, I got a seatball, 385 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 4: hit ball, and then I'm looking for this spot this zone. 386 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 4: So as a pitcher, you got to know who's you know, 387 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 4: capable of doing those things too, and pay attention as 388 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 4: the game goes on. 389 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: Speaking a little bit is staragant. You're gonna have to 390 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 2: war for a second. You know what's. 391 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 3: Interesting is players last year, how few number of the 392 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 3: young guys are actually looking for that. And I just 393 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 3: don't think it's something that's taught anymore. It's something that's put, 394 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 3: you know, as a premium. Whereas before iPads, before all 395 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 3: this stuff, where you could go back and watch every 396 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 3: one of your spleens super school to make sure your 397 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 3: hands weren't doing this, you know, they were going here. 398 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 3: They just watched the picture and I felt like you 399 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 3: always tried to get something off the picture and sent 400 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 3: it off yourself all the time. I mean, there was 401 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: a couple of times this past year where you know, 402 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 3: one of the mode of the guys is out there 403 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 3: doing something I mentioned one of the young years. I'm like, hey, 404 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,239 Speaker 3: watch when he does this, tell me if you see it. 405 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 3: And I'm talking something as simple as when he raises 406 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 3: his glove, he gets below his team logo on a heater, 407 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 3: and when he raises his glove and he's wind up 408 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: above his team logo, it's up off speat, like something 409 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 3: as simple as that, And like, oh, you know, I 410 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: really don't steel. 411 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, all right, well I guess you're just 412 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 2: not gonna stee it too. 413 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 4: That's my. 414 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 5: That's fascinating stuff. That is fascinating. 415 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: I didn't want to ask you about our old friend. 416 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: Miles michaelis thirty seven years old, gets a one year 417 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: deal with the Nats. They're looking for a veteran guy. 418 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: And look, last season was a little runp for Miles, 419 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: but there were also good stretches. I'm gonna ask you first, Kyle. 420 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: One of the nuts getting at of Miles Michael is. 421 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: They're getting a veteran guy who's you know, which I 422 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 3: believe is becoming more and more appreciated, is the ability 423 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 3: to post every five. 424 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: Days, every six days, whatever it is, and. 425 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 3: You know that if he has a rough first or 426 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 3: second inning, he's gonna be there in the fifth. 427 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 2: He's gonna possibly get into the sticks and he's not 428 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: gonna he's not gonna crush the hope. 429 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 3: But on the bad days, you know, and then he's 430 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 3: gonna have good days where he's really located and he's 431 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 3: able to pitch. 432 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 2: We know that. You know, he's got feel first pitches. 433 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 3: And I think he's gonna be a good mentor for 434 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 3: the young guys that they have over there. You know, 435 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: he's he's got a different old school approach a little bit, 436 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 3: you know, And and I think that can be a 437 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 3: real benefit to young guys who spend a lot of 438 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 3: time once again, like I just mentioned, watching the iPads, 439 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 3: seeing if there's spin rates this, seeing if they're spin 440 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 3: accesses this, and it's like, listen, man, you can look 441 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 3: at that in a bullpen all you one, but on 442 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 3: game day you don't need to be looking at that. 443 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 3: You're not gonna be able to go out on the 444 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: mound and think about how you're gonna take your sleeper 445 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 3: from negative eight to negative fifteen in the middle of 446 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: an inny like you got what you got today? How 447 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 3: are you gonna go get out? And I think that's 448 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 3: a real strike of Miles. And you know, I think 449 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 3: he's gonna be able to have some good conversations with 450 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 3: those guys about that. And like I said, he's a 451 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 3: guy that posts and he goes out there and is 452 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 3: a professional on what he does. You're not gonna find 453 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 3: a guy that works harder on to keep himself healthy. 454 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 3: So I think that'll be a good example for the 455 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: young guys. And he's a fun guy to talk to 456 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 3: me who likes to play golf as well. He's I 457 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 3: think it'll be great for those young guys and and 458 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 3: you know, bring us out of that cultural low. 459 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 5: He likes to fetch too. 460 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: Lenz, tell me tell me a Miles Michael List story 461 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: if you have one. 462 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 4: The best, I mean, the best thing that we had 463 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 4: going on is we had Miles and Sunny together. When 464 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 4: you want to say, they're kind of the polar opposites 465 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 4: the way that they think, but they're also very similar 466 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 4: in a lot of ways that they went about things, 467 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 4: they had their way of doing it. They were very, 468 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 4: you know, routine oriented. They were there for anybody in 469 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 4: any situation. But they had their beliefs and they stuck 470 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 4: to them. At the same time, some of their beliefs 471 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 4: are a little different, and it was funny to see 472 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 4: how that played out as teammates. But you know, Miles 473 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 4: is is just a beautiful creature. There's really no other 474 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 4: way to say it. He brings all the nuances to 475 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 4: a teammate that you need, especially when they have a 476 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 4: young team. He's got a guy that you know that 477 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 4: you can pencil in for, you know, thirty starts in 478 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty innings and and he's going to 479 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 4: tell you if he doesn't do that, then he had 480 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 4: a terrible year. And that's kind of gone away a 481 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 4: little bit in this game. 482 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 2: So you need that. 483 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 4: You need a guy that can make innings, make starts, 484 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 4: especially on a team where you don't really know how 485 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 4: your your rest, your rotations get to go down, and 486 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 4: stuff like that, and a very young team. So he 487 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 4: can be very beneficial all the way around for a 488 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 4: group like that. 489 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: And one thing about Miles is over his career, he's 490 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: adapted right, always gave the innings and everything. But he 491 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: changes a pitcher college and that's something you had to 492 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: be around baseball as long as he has. Unless you're 493 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: still throwing ninety nine miles an hour, don't you have 494 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: to change and sort of reinvent yourself every season or two. 495 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Lance alluded to it a little bit ago about 496 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 3: you know, maybe what the Cardinals stall and story one 497 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 3: and what we traded for him. You know, one thing 498 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 3: that the Cardinals talked to me a little bit about 499 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four was, you know, protecting my thinker 500 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 3: a little bit. And you know that might be kind 501 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 3: of a nuanced statement to say, but you know it's 502 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 3: the best fastball I threw. You know, got the most 503 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 3: round balls, you know, randing on the rioties. You know, 504 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 3: good ground ball pitched down the way to the Rioties, 505 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: good front him to lefties. But the more you throw 506 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 3: some pitch pitch, sometimes you can expose it in the 507 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 3: wrong situations. That could be part of Miles's issue at 508 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 3: times is you know, he exposes the wrong pitch at 509 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 3: the wrong time in a vacuum. 510 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 2: That pitch is really really good, and he could use 511 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 2: it in certain places in the zone like that, that's 512 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 2: a safe. 513 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 3: And then as a pitcher, sometimes it's really easy on 514 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 3: a good day to fall in love with a pitch 515 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 3: in a location and then before you know it, you 516 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 3: kind of stick with it. You've given up a couple 517 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 3: of runs in an inning because maybe you're a little 518 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 3: bit stubborn and didn't go away from it. 519 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 2: So there could based on pitches to stuff and some. 520 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 3: Locations, stuff that Miles can adapt to and to really 521 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 3: protect certain pitches and keep it from being overexposed. But 522 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 3: Miles is a guy that looks at a lot. You know, 523 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 3: he knows the strengths really well and he pitches to 524 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 3: him over and over again. And like I said, I 525 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 3: think that's something that young guys can can learn from. 526 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 3: And you know who you are on the mind, and 527 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 3: how can you take what you have that day and 528 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 3: go get as many outs as possible. 529 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 4: I think the next thing's going on with you You 530 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 4: should figure out if Castellanus was a fit for the Cardinals? 531 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: Was the next on the agenda? 532 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, tell me how you would think 533 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 4: you would fit to the Cardinals, And do you think 534 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 4: that's even a possibility with their with their being shedding 535 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 4: of the payroll that they've done so far. It was offseason, man, Lance. 536 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 2: I said early on when we were doing serving it up. 537 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: I believe. 538 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 3: That I thought Castellanos was a good fit for the Cardinals, 539 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: And I think I caught some heat on social media 540 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 3: from fans say like, we don't need to bring it 541 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 3: in an older outfield or YadA. 542 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 2: YadA, YadA. 543 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 3: Be like Man, I mean, if if he gets to 544 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 3: release or d fade like it's looking like it is, 545 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 3: I think it's a good fit. 546 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: Now, Cassidy's probably. 547 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 3: Gonna want to go to a team that is, you know, 548 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 3: looking to win instead of you know, looking to the future, 549 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 3: So maybe this wouldn't be a spot that he'd pick. 550 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 3: But you know, you have talked a lot about a 551 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 3: right handed bat. I think Casti still has a lot 552 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 3: in his bat. He can he can go and play 553 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 3: the outfield and d h and and be that betterroom 554 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 3: presence offensively, And like Miles. 555 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: He's a different thinker. 556 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 3: He would be really to not come back, but really 557 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 3: good to bounce ideas off of for young guys because 558 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 3: he's been through a lot. Man One situation that stuck 559 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 3: out to me in twenty twenty two was when Alec 560 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 3: Bohme he had a tough game at home in Citizens 561 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 3: Bank and he got Colorado camera staying I hate this plays. 562 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 3: Casi was one of the guys after the game going 563 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 3: up to him talking to the media and saying, hey, 564 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: I've struggled defensively. I've been the guy that has gotten 565 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 3: you know, taken out defensively and moved positions like listen, 566 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 3: this game's hard. And he went to bat for bone 567 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 3: a lot in that situation. So I think as a veteran, 568 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 3: I think he's a guy that would fit well. And 569 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 3: if he plays well, you know, you have a situation 570 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: where if you're winning, then he's probably a reason why. 571 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 3: And if you're losing, then you can trade him at 572 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 3: the deadline and get something for it. 573 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: So Casianos, who's it's thirty three, obviously good baseball, but 574 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: he got sideways with his manager, like unrepairably. Have you 575 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: ever seen that with players and managers getting sideways. I have, 576 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: but they usually patch it up. 577 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, that's that's tough too, I have stated, 578 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 9: But yeah, I don't know that I've stayed to this 579 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 9: beause kid, Honestly, I don't know what all happened. But 580 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 9: I mean, both of those guys are able to get along. 581 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 9: That's the crazy thing. 582 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 3: Rob Thompson is, you know, a really great guy, and 583 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 3: I never had an issue with Nick at all, but 584 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 3: every now and then. 585 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: You know, it happens. So yeah, it's definitely not the 586 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 2: first time that's happened, that's for sure. 587 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 3: But I kind of liken this a little bit to 588 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 3: the Aeronauto situation, where they were very upfront that they're 589 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 3: going to get rid of him, And now I think 590 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 3: MLB teams are going to make them get rid of 591 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 3: him before trading for him, and I think it might 592 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 3: have it might have helped to be able to keep 593 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 3: this a little bit more hushed USh. 594 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: On their end. 595 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, I agree. I think that that ship 596 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: has already sailed, he's out of there. 597 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 5: That's gonna do it. For this edition of Cardinal Territory. 598 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 2: We made it to the end. 599 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 5: We will see on the next episode, and hopefully that 600 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 5: one won't suck.