WEBVTT - Q&A: Part 1 - Are Games Too Long? More Conference Realignment? Optimal SEC Schedule Format? - College Football Podcast for 2/21 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:03.680 Welcome to the solid verbal. 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:08.440 Hell that for me. I'm a man, I'm for I've 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:10.639 heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:12.080 You want to be happy for a day? 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:13.560 Edith state is that? 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:13.960 Woo? 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:14.440 Woof? 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:20.400 And Dan and Tie welcome back to the solid verbal 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:23.760 Boys and girls. My name is Tie, his name is Dan. 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:26.160 Thanks for joining in. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.040 Oh my god, your voice the register, it's hitting. 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:31.360 It's a Q and A episode. I did a different 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:34.280 intro than I usually do normally. It's true muscle memory 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.839 and boys and girls and no, no, no, no no, we 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.400 got questions from the verballerhood. Dan, I'm going to play 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:40.200 the sound right off. 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.320 The right off the congratulation, Skippy, you've got mail, You've 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:43.920 got mail? 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.240 On the solid verbal? Mix it up here a little 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:48.680 bit at the top, sir, how are you? 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.839 I'm good. We're recording. This is today President's Day? Did 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:52.479 I get that right? 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:54.240 Believe so? Yes? Correct? 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.240 Who's your least favorite president ever? 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:56.680 Tye? 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:01.080 Well, right on the spot ty, do you have any 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:02.560 John Tyler thoughts. 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.040 No, Why don't we just move on to a different plage. 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.440 I don't want to get in hot water. There is 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:08.880 a college football show man. 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.200 That's fair all right, how are you. I'm good, Ty, 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:15.600 I'm good. We have a number of really really strong questions. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.400 I just had a smoothie because I'm trying to do right, 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:22.080 trying to get tight, get right. I turned forty this year, Ti, 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.960 you know, I'm trying to live my life. So I'm 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.520 very excited for these questions and I'm a little bit 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:29.960 bummed out and I'm sure we're going to get into 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.039 it because we're in that zone. Right it's too far 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.880 ahead of the draft. Spring practice isn't really a thing 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.320 yet because it's what mid to late February as we 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:43.120 record this, The National Championship has done, recruiting is done. 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.880 That there seems like there's not a lot to talk about. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.440 But something that everybody can agree on is things are 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.920 looking sad for the PAC twelve, even worse than what 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.040 we thought they would be, and that makes me sad, Ty. 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.640 So I'm trying to stay positive with my outlook here 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.360 this morning. We've got a lot of good quality college 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:06.000 football questions, but I wish there was something more positive 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.480 that we could hang our hats on. In terms of news. 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:14.000 Well, look, we put a call out across Twitter, across Instagram, 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:18.799 across obviously our Patreon over at Theballers dot com, both 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.080 on Discord and on Patreon proper to get some last 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:26.120 minute questions to put this show together. We as always 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.119 got great questions that I'm excited to dive into with 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:32.600 you email as well, still a thing, you know, sliverbo 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.000 at gmail dot com. We had questions there that we're 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:36.600 going to try and go as go through as many 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.480 as we can. If we have to, we'll break it 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.160 off into two shows, but we won't put the cart 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.720 before the horse here. We'll see how we do. Don't 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.919 forget to hit subscribe or follow whatever your podcasting app 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:49.799 of choice allows you to do. Dan and I will 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.760 be with you all throughout the long cold months of 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.120 the offseason at a minimum twice a week. Of course, 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.080 you can get bonus content if you're going out to 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.560 Verballers dot com. Last, but certainly not least, we got 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.320 a newsletter, quick Slants dot Sliverble dot com. I'm putting 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.640 that out every Thursday if you were ever so inclined. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:09.960 If you want just like a quick wrap up with 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.639 a little bit of personality, not too much, I don't 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.799 want to scare people away, but a little bit of personality, 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.840 a little bit of college football news every Thursday afternoon. Dan, 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:20.480 that's what we're doing, all right. 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.640 I love to see you're doing a bang up job 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:23.480 with quick slants. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.920 Thank you. I wrote like seventeen hundred words last week, 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:27.680 which is a little great. It's a little long in 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.520 the tooth, But I'll be honest with you, Ty, I 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.680 thought your fingers were retired, Settle. I thought you were 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:39.320 done with that kind of just action. There are a 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.600 lot of people pursuit. There are a lot of we 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:45.080 know a lot of people who got their start as 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:49.280 writers sports writers and then migrated over into podcasting and 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.760 just can't write anymore, yeah, or don't have the desired 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:53.200 right anywhere video TV. 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:53.880 Yeah. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.119 So I'm trying to I mean, I guess I kind 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.280 of got my start that way, but I'm now trying 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.000 to migrate back in the other direction a little bit. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:00.200 It. 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.320 Do you feel like you fulfilled the promise and the 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.720 title of the next great American sports writer circa twenty. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.080 Circle, two thousand and six. 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.720 Yeah, that was the honor and title bestowed upon you. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:16.240 Do you feel like you attained that you sort of 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:18.880 moved in the direction of that potential or no. 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:20.479 You know that was seventeen years ago. 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:27.599 Somebody has been born and started driving and connected they're 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.359 being recruited. Were born around the. 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.720 Same time I won that damn contest. Yeah. Also, on 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.880 a related note, before we get into real questions, Dan 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.760 and I had a lengthy discussion earlier about graying temples. 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.760 So yeah, with that being said, here's the sound again. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:47.080 Congratulations Skippy, you've got mail. You've got mail on the 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:47.919 solid ruble. 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.960 We do this as often as we can, definitely a 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.800 little bit more frequent in the off season, Dan, But 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.760 why don't we dive right, and we will start with 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.560 some questions that we got regarding the news. We will 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.479 start with a question from me to you. 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:04.040 Oh, I'm ready. 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:08.560 I sent this one into my own damn show, Dan Rubinstein. Yeah, 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:10.800 are college football games too long? 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:12.279 Oh? 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:13.400 I saw this topic this. 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:14.760 N the news. 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:15.719 Are they too long? 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.160 And how do you feel about any of the proposals 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:19.839 to try and make them shorter? So a little bit 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.120 of context. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.080 Give me the content. It's Greg Sankye, Yes, it's yeah. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.960 I mean, basically, this is a question that stemmed from 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.560 a tweet from a write up that our friend Rossdellager 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.760 over at St. Sid dot com put out earlier today. 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:37.000 And it all stems from this growing sense I guess 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.280 that college football games are getting a little bit, a 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.800 little bit too long. Right, There are four proposals that 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:47.279 are currently under consideration to try and shorten games. Number one, 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:51.080 prohibiting consecutive timeouts, i e. Icing kickers that sort of thing. 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.400 Number two, no untimed downs at the end of first 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:56.920 or third quarters. 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:57.799 Okay. 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:02.200 Three the clock runs after first downs except inside of 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:06.880 two minutes in a half. And four the clock runs 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:11.240 on incompletions once the ball is spotted. Now, okay, some 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.440 interesting idea is there for reference, just as a reference point. 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.239 Another reference point, the average NFL game takes about three 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:22.560 hours and twelve minutes. College football games, at least at 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.640 last check around the end of September this year, were 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.680 about twenty minutes longer three hours thirty two minutes, which 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.560 is a long time. Is as of September, that number 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:35.520 probably came down a little bits. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.599 That's the standard window as well, right, the TV window. 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.440 It's a new Eastern. I mean, obviously things are staggered 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.720 in different ways, but it's a new Eastern. And then 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:45.960 the next big window is the three thirty eastern right. 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.320 And then just as a non football reference point, the 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.760 average Major League Baseball game last season was a shade 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:57.480 over three hours, three hours and three minutes. So look, 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:01.000 we've been hearing complaints about the length of college football 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.560 games for a good long time. It seems as if 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.080 there are some proposals on the table that could be 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:09.080 recommended to a rules committee, which could be enacted at 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.640 some point. But where do you stand as a father 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:15.960 of two, as a college football full time college football podcaster? Yeah, 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.080 obviously as a college football fan? Or games too long? 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.480 Probably? But the caveat and I tweeted this out. We 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:26.680 were I was talking digitally with Andy Stables. Is brag 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:31.360 much that I know? Andy Stables? I don't think it's 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.360 the games. I don't think there's too much football. I 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.040 don't think the football lasts too long. It's the totality 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:40.080 of the TV broadcast. Like with our exact rules, if 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:43.280 there were an untelevised game for whatever reason, if this 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.400 were nineteen ninety eight and it was a pay per 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:50.520 view Oklahoma Kansas State game or something, my guess is 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:52.600 we'd be talking about a football game that's closer to 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.280 two hours and twenty six minutes rather than three hours 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.680 and thirty two minutes because of commercials. The issue with 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.440 football is that it's an incredibly a rhythmic sport, especially 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.040 in person, right where the game's happening, and then oh, 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.000 there's the TV ref with the Neon orange you know, 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:13.040 headset and armband sleeve whatever. Who is telling people Nobody 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.880 on the field until I say it's okay. It's incredibly 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.120 a rhythmic, which does not make for a fun experience 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:23.280 in person or on TV when you get the touchdown commercial, 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.320 kickoff commercial, and then it's the beginning of a new 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.360 drive that's you know, that has that CBS feel to it. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.520 When it would be that huge Alabama LSU game and 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.760 it would just be commercial sandwiches all the time, it 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:39.080 would be a buffet of commercials. And so I just 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.880 think we need to rethink. With so much money pouring 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.120 into these TV deals and obviously networks needing to recoup 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:51.599 that money via commercials, what's kind of rethink how I 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.679 don't know advertisers are charged. Maybe there are fewer advertisers 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.600 and it's more of a premium because oh, there's only 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.679 going to be two commercials during commercial breaks instead of 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.439 five or something. I don't think college football fans by 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.920 and large have a problem with three and a half 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.520 hour games per se. If a majority of that is football, 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.800 I think they have a problem with the oh I 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:16.439 mana ja Applebee's on a Friday n whatever. Those awful. 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:18.760 And I know I just conflated two different things. A 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:19.800 song in an Apple base. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:21.120 It's okay, it's okay, they're run. 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:25.000 But w'ah' wah bah blah blah blah, and like having 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.280 pitball and having Fansville and like it's cute for a 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.160 week and then all of a sudden, you've you've watched 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:35.520 more of Fansville than you have Jake Browning or whatever. 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:39.920 And so I think it's on the TV networks who 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.720 now own the sports, to figure out how to make 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:47.600 the best possible TV product, because, like you mentioned, it's 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.360 one of those things where it's not necessarily that the 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:53.040 game is too long. It's that not everybody is like 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.160 us and consumes the sport the way that we do, 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:00.400 which is ten, twelve, fourteen hours each Saturday. It's I'm 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.719 an Arkansas fan. I want to watch the Arkansas game, 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.960 and I want to watch USC Oregon or Ohio State Michigan, 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.800 and they're not sitting there for twelve fourteen hours. And 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.720 so people try to plan their days around the games 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.760 they care about most. And if they're saying, Okay, this 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:20.280 game starts at you know, three point thirty Eastern, dinner 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.240 should be cool, and then all of a sudden it 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:26.240 goes to overtime and it's eight pm or something, it's 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.040 not great. I don't think Again, I think people like, 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.120 or love, or are obsessed with watching football, they're just 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.319 not obsessed with Applebee's commercials and the place that those 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:37.560 things have in our life. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:42.840 Yeah, one of the notions that I was sensing across 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:46.760 social media is, well, if you're a real college football fan, 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.680 it shouldn't matter should mar right, It should't matter how 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:51.760 long the game is. If you like the sport, you're 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:52.280 in it. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.559 It's it's like identity politics, right, Everything is identity politics, 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:58.000 Like you have to prove that you are the most 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.400 true college football fan with that kind to take. 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.199 And I just, I just I don't agree with that. 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.480 I think attention spans are shorter now than they've ever 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:10.200 been before. I think our phones are probably part to 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.319 blame for that, But that's not the only thing. I 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:17.160 think surely, if a game is good, if you've got 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.880 a fifty one to fifty two thriller, it doesn't matter 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.320 how long that game is. Most games aren't like that, 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.480 so there has to be a happy medium. What I 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.320 found notable in the proposals that Ross laid out in 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.880 his tweet and his article no mention of replay. No 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:37.000 mention of I mean, replay for sure has played a 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.319 huge role in lengthening these games. And for as much 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.920 as I'm a supporter of replay, when they have to 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.000 keep going back to look at a play and then 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.959 another play, it seems like it happened more often than 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.120 not this past season, where you had like consecutive plays 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.360 being reviewed. That tends to be a little bit much. 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.200 So I don't know if there is some way we 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.880 can automate the whole replay to a greater degree to 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:03.760 maybe knock a little bit of time off of that. 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.000 One of the other things that Ross called out is 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.760 that eventually they'd like to get to a system where 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.200 there's a challenge type system like they've got in the NFL, 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:16.160 where maybe not everything is automatically replayed, but coaches can 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.160 challenge and you know, we're familiar with that from the NFL. 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.079 Maybe that is the next iteration of replay to try 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.640 and shorten things. But look, I'm in favor of this. 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:29.800 People are busy. People are busy the weekends. For the 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.960 overwhelming majority of the football loving population, it's a time 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.160 when you should be able to kick back and relax 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.240 and you don't have to work, or if you do 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.040 have to work, maybe there's a way that you can 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.520 follow the game on your phone and like get enjoyment 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.600 from the game, Like it's supposed to be something that 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:50.200 we enjoy, and when it starts feeling like it is 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.320 taking too long, when people stop losing or when people 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.800 start losing interest in it, that to me sort of 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:59.079 defeats the purpose. So to your point, Yeah, if it's 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:03.200 a TV product, if I think the veils are off here, 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.480 and we all know that college football is being run 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.800 by the TV networks, then let's find a way to 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.959 make it as appealing as we can. One other idea 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.080 that you know, I know they've they've talked to various 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:18.120 TV executives over the years on the topic of commercials. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:22.079 Let's get creative about how we do in game advertising. Sure, 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.199 right does not everything needs to break away from the action. 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.440 You know, we got graphics, we got the first and 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.800 tent line can be sponsored by Wendy's. I don't know. 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.040 I'm not a TV executive, but you get the point. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.599 Yeah, Well, after that kickoff, instead of going to commercial 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.280 as the teams enter the field or something like that, 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.960 then you have brad Nessler, say, introducing Applebee's new you know, 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.160 chicken tinga Nacho's. Boy do they look great? Look at 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:51.200 those things? All right, let's get going. It's not the worst. 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.280 It probably affects the bottom line of a bunch of 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.200 you know, wide and in Kennedy type places, the ad 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.720 firms that are producing all of these commercials. But also 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:04.319 if it's a sport owned by TV networks, the onus 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.880 is on them to make this the best possible TV show. 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:12.080 And so the a rhythmic nature gets people changing the channel. 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:16.320 Like you said, it's replay, it's commercials. It's a delay 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.560 for this, a delay for that. And I think it 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:23.840 just behooves everybody to even if it's not a demonstrably 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:27.800 shorter game, if it's a much more rhythmic experience, I 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.440 think that's the way you capture people and keep them 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:31.680 locked into your chair. 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.200 Here's a free idea please for the TV people that 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:36.120 are watching out. 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.440 There, big fat cats with the networks. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.600 Thank you, Dan. That was a great voice for the 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.480 people that are listening that have any stake in this game, 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.920 which is most assuredly nobody. But if you are in 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.240 any position of influence. We know this in the podcast world, 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.600 but when we read an ad, it does better then 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.280 when it sort of gets cut in from somebody else. 0:14:58.280 --> 0:14:59.800 And there are reasons that you do one versus the 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:01.880 We're not going to go into that. We would encourage 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.640 everybody to listen to the ads, of course, but we 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.480 know from our numbers that that's what people pay most 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.800 attention to, So find some way to do that. Can 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.080 you get a player to read it. Can you get 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.440 somebody from the team to read Can you get Quinn 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.840 Kessenick to read it on the sidelines, to do whatever 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.320 ad reads you have to do. That's one way they 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:26.240 keep people sort of engaged and and not lose interest, 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:27.400 not have people tuning away. 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:31.600 Yeah, I totally agree. I think priority number one for 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:35.080 all of these networks, aside from completely destroying the sport, 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.560 which has been the priority in these past couple of years. 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:38.280 Trend a little bit. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:42.000 The trend, yeah, is to find a way to make 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.280 this a TV show that people stay locked in on, 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:48.880 and traditional advertising has not been a super fun watch. 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:50.720 I don't think for a lot of people. As we 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:55.120 gravitate towards a more streaming universe, that promises fewer and 0:15:55.160 --> 0:16:01.000 fewer of the visual of taking in doctor or taking 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:05.800 in all of these. You know, American Family Insurance congrats 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:06.600 on the free pub. 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.080 Not a sponsor, could be not sure. 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:13.080 But yeah, I think one of those things is. One 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:18.320 of the big ideas with this is you can't rest right. 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.720 We've seen a lot of sports come and go like 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:22.440 this is the next big thing, this is going to 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.880 be huge forever, and then ratings take a dip and 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.320 then they have to rethink where they broadcast and how 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.280 they broadcast. Right, Nascar was the next big sport. Right. 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.400 You have to be forward thinking with this. You have 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:37.840 to be three steps ahead with an issue and right 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:41.240 now unless something and look, if it's a rules thing, 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.840 it's a rules thing, but you want to say, you 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.080 want to promise that you are concerned about player safety 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:51.200 and they should have fewer plays. Great, but also the 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.200 experience needs to be. I mean, the in person experience 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.120 has suffered and the TV experience has suffered. So what 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.200 does that tell us? We need to go forward and 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.960 move forward as a sport, not stay where we are 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.920 or look backwards. Look if you want to eliminate replay. 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:10.159 Speaking of moving backwards, I'll listen to that conversation. I 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.440 know it's going to cause a whole set of like, well, 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:15.960 this team lost by three, Well, this toe is clearly 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.400 in bounds dragging through the end zone for the game 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.800 winning catch that was called out of bounds or incomplete 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.360 or whatever. I understand that's a whole new host of issues. 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.119 But I don't know. A rhythmic football game might be 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.000 enough for me, as a jaded college football fan, to 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.080 be able to make peace with that. I'd be willing 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.639 to listen to the pros and cons of eliminating replay. 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:40.320 At this point, let's go to Brad from Patreon. Yes, Dan, 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:41.720 you're a PAC twelve guy. 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:42.439 Mmmm. 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.720 Explain to me why George Clavicle's plan George Klee of 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:50.960 coough excuse me, Brad? Yeah, to bring SMU and San 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.280 Diego State into the conference would make any sense whatsoever? 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.360 I can't rumoredly. Yeah, I can't see any real tangible 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.919 value that justifies adding them. So yeah, this is rumor, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.199 but it's it's probably a very poorly kept secret. At 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.560 this point. There was a tweet that you sent me 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:09.240 from a gentleman, Jason Sheer said that at Arizona. At 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:13.560 a Swim and Dive championship banquet in Houston yesterday, the 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.920 San Diego State Athletic director told people that the Aztecs 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.240 will be joining the PAC twelve. It will be announced soon. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.800 So you know this has been reported for a while, 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.600 that the rumors have been there for a while. Where 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.040 are you at as a PAC twelve fan? How do 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.120 you feel about all this is it? Does it make sense? 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:29.240 Is it good for the conference? 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:31.840 I feel like as I hear a dog barking in 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.640 the background, who your Your dog must have a lot 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.000 of thoughts. You know, she can go to football. She 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:41.200 tends to get boisterous. Yeah now she is right now 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:45.159 whenever we talk about things that disgruntle us one way 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:50.320 or the other. Okay, So this is obviously two major markets, 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:53.040 you know, the Dallas Fort Worth market with SMU and 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.160 San Diego, which I don't think is an enormous, enormous market. 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.560 But it's a big place, bigger than Eugene, Oregon. It's 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.240 bigger than Palo Alto, bigger than Palwot, I guess is 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.760 part of the broader Bayry and Silicon Valley, but bigger 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:09.280 than Pullman, Washington. And so I look at San Diego 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:11.720 State and like, okay, this is an interesting at least, 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.720 right They've had big basketball success, which is not the 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:16.480 most there's not the sport we're talking about here, but 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.240 as it's a huge, huge campus, I think a ton 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.159 of kids. Enrollment's pretty huge at San Diego State. They 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.719 have a history of winning football over the past decade 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.639 twelve fifteen years. You know, Brady Hope part one, Rocky 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.000 Long and now Brady Hope once again. Big names have 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.240 come out of that program. I didn't realize the number 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.400 of names associated with San Diego State, by the way, 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.400 like a ton of NFL coaches, obviously Marshall Fox going 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.440 back to the nineties. Like it has been a program, 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.440 not a major program, but that has had an impact 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.280 on the sport at large. They have the new stadium, 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.159 they don't have an NFL team anymore, they have a 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.320 Major League Baseball team, they don't have an NBA team, 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:58.120 And with UCLA and USC leaving, I assume there's still 0:19:58.119 --> 0:19:59.959