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Speaker 2: Hell that for me. I'm a man, I'm for I've

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Speaker 2: heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 2: Edith state is that?

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Speaker 1: Woo?

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Speaker 3: Woof?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tie welcome back to the solid verbal

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Speaker 1: Boys and girls. My name is Tie, his name is Dan.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining in.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, your voice the register, it's hitting.

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Speaker 1: It's a Q and A episode. I did a different

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Speaker 1: intro than I usually do normally. It's true muscle memory

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Speaker 1: and boys and girls and no, no, no, no no, we

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Speaker 1: got questions from the verballerhood. Dan, I'm going to play

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Speaker 3: The right off the congratulation, Skippy, you've got mail, You've

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Speaker 3: got mail?

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Speaker 1: On the solid verbal? Mix it up here a little

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Speaker 1: bit at the top, sir, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good. We're recording. This is today President's Day? Did

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Speaker 2: I get that right?

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Speaker 1: Believe so? Yes? Correct?

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Speaker 2: Who's your least favorite president ever?

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Speaker 1: Tye?

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Speaker 2: Well, right on the spot ty, do you have any

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Speaker 2: John Tyler thoughts.

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Speaker 1: No, Why don't we just move on to a different plage.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get in hot water. There is

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Speaker 1: a college football show man.

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Speaker 2: That's fair all right, how are you. I'm good, Ty,

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Speaker 2: I'm good. We have a number of really really strong questions.

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Speaker 2: I just had a smoothie because I'm trying to do right,

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Speaker 2: trying to get tight, get right. I turned forty this year, Ti,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm trying to live my life. So I'm

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Speaker 2: very excited for these questions and I'm a little bit

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Speaker 2: bummed out and I'm sure we're going to get into

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Speaker 2: it because we're in that zone. Right it's too far

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Speaker 2: ahead of the draft. Spring practice isn't really a thing

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Speaker 2: yet because it's what mid to late February as we

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Speaker 2: record this, The National Championship has done, recruiting is done.

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Speaker 2: That there seems like there's not a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 2: But something that everybody can agree on is things are

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Speaker 2: looking sad for the PAC twelve, even worse than what

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Speaker 2: we thought they would be, and that makes me sad, Ty.

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Speaker 2: So I'm trying to stay positive with my outlook here

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Speaker 2: this morning. We've got a lot of good quality college

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Speaker 2: that we could hang our hats on. In terms of news.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we put a call out across Twitter, across Instagram,

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Speaker 1: across obviously our Patreon over at Theballers dot com, both

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Speaker 1: on Discord and on Patreon proper to get some last

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Speaker 1: minute questions to put this show together. We as always

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Speaker 1: got great questions that I'm excited to dive into with

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Speaker 1: you email as well, still a thing, you know, sliverbo

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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. We had questions there that we're

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Speaker 1: off into two shows, but we won't put the cart

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Speaker 1: a little bit of college football news every Thursday afternoon. Dan,

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Speaker 2: I love to see you're doing a bang up job

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Speaker 2: with quick slants.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I wrote like seventeen hundred words last week,

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Speaker 1: Same time I won that damn contest. Yeah. Also, on

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Speaker 3: So yeah, with that being said, here's the sound again.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations Skippy, you've got mail. You've got mail on the

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Speaker 3: solid ruble.

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Speaker 1: little bit more frequent in the off season, Dan, But

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Speaker 1: I sent this one into my own damn show, Dan Rubinstein. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: are college football games too long?

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Speaker 2: which is ten, twelve, fourteen hours each Saturday. It's I'm

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Speaker 2: now unless something and look, if it's a rules thing,

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Speaker 1: Explain to me why George Clavicle's plan George Klee of

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Speaker 2: I feel like as I hear a dog barking in

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Speaker 2: so be it. Good on him. But in terms of

436
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 2: the future of the conference, if you can get that

437
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty million dollars per year, it's you know,

438
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 2: it's still dwarfed by the big ten in the SEC.

439
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 2: But if you can get around that number and you

440
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 2: can get Washington and Oregon at least short term on

441
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 2: board to see what can happen with the conference. It's

442
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 2: a big win for those two schools because their path

443
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: of the playoff is super smooth. Right that those are

444
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 2: the two teams right now that seem to be building

445
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: towards Okay, we're in a good spot to get into

446
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 2: a twelve team playoff. We have a smooth sailing through

447
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: this conference because Cal and Stanford and Washington State and

448
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 2: Oregon State and the Arizona schools will not build up

449
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 2: rosters in this way. Utah's right there. I left Utah out. Unfortunately,

450
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: Utah's also there with Oregon and Washington. They're just not

451
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: that big name, organizational franchise type name that is coveted

452
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: on a national level. But yeah, it's smooth sailing for

453
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 2: those schools. But then what is the Big twelve going

454
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: to offer? Right? How much do you want to be

455
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: in on the ground floor of what essentially becomes a startup.

456
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. Man, If I'm Oregon and I'm Washington,

457
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 2: I sign on short term and see how USC and

458
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 2: UCLA like being on an island in the Big ten.

459
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: They're gonna make a ton of money. But you know

460
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 2: that kind of travel is going to become a lot

461
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: for those schools. And if the Big ten is looking

462
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 2: to compete with the SEC to have that big Western division,

463
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: you could see that being attractive. I'm sure Oregon and

464
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: Washington would snap up a Big Ten offer in a

465
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 2: matter of seconds if it came their way. I just

466
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: it's hard to see a PAC twelve existing with San

467
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 2: Diego State and SMU existing on anywhere near the level

468
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: of the SEC and Big Ten come twenty thirty.

469
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Speaker 1: Right, here's another question for you.

470
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Speaker 2: Do you have any thoughts as an outsider.

471
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Speaker 1: Well, my thoughts as an outsider are I don't feel

472
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Speaker 1: if I were a PACK twelve.

473
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 2: Because I'm a stakeholder. I want Oregon to succeed. I

474
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: want Oregon to be on the national stage and keep succeeding.

475
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I like the PAC twelve and I

476
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: don't want want to see this kind of turmoil surrounding

477
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: the conference. I think it sucks royally that USC and

478
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: UCLA are leaving. I will always associate USC UCLA with

479
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve as many people will, you know, as

480
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: many do with the Houston Astros in the NL. Right,

481
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: that type of it's one of those deals. For me

482
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 1: as a sports fan, my thought is, without any real

483
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: skin in the game, is that when I see a

484
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: Twitter posting like the one that we saw about a

485
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: week ago. Now, the joint statement quote the ten PC

486
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: twelve universities look forward to consummating successful media rights deals

487
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: in the very near future based upon positive conversations with

488
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: multiple potential mediaized partners over the past few weeks. We

489
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: remain highly confident in our future growth. And I'm not

490
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: going to read the rest of it. If you have

491
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: to say that that doesn't leave me feeling confident. I

492
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: post that at all. That to me was a little

493
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: bit weird. And I do think that they're like the

494
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: article has been written. This isn't my idea. I think

495
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,239
Speaker 1: there's an outside chance that the whole thing could go

496
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: bust depending on how these media rites negotiations go. There's

497
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: a chance the whole thing could go boom that if

498
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: they can't come to an agreement that's beneficial for everybody.

499
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: We're staring down the barrel of more conference realignment as

500
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: a result of PAC twelve or PAC ten or whatever

501
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: this is, you know, inability to get a deal done.

502
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: I don't think that's likely. But I think the fact

503
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: that that's on the table at all, that people have

504
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: written that article at all in February of twenty twenty three, right,

505
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, that doesn't leave me feeling all that

506
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: confident about where things head next. So, you know, the

507
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: San Diego state move, you know California better than I do. Right,

508
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: you know California much better than I do. Pulling SMU

509
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: into this potentially, you know, again, it feels a little

510
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: weird to me. I don't know. It just seems like

511
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: you're trying to get numbers as opposed to adding real quality,

512
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: no offense to SMU people out there. So I don't know.

513
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: They're in a very awkward spot now because of those

514
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: two California schools deciding to go and join the Big ten.

515
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 2: I still am a proponent, and I have no idea

516
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 2: how feasible it is, because all of the sudden, it's

517
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: not a network necessarily negotiating or it's not, excuse me,

518
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: a conference negotiating with networks. I'm a big proponent of

519
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: the What is it when they unlike the NFL red zone,

520
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: never we're.

521
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: Like, we're going four wide, four wide, so many teams.

522
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 2: In the red zone. Yeah one Oregon, Washington, the Bay

523
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: Area schools. I'm still micro conference Dan, That's where I'm at.

524
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: Negotiate your deal, have deals with the ACC, have deals

525
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: with the Big twelve, have deals with the Big ten. Right,

526
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: so you get all these matchups. Have a deal with

527
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, like an annual rotating Oregon or Washington or

528
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: Stanford with Notre Dame. That seems like a win, Well,

529
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: that seems like a huge win. Give Notre Dame two

530
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 2: home games to your one, fine whatever. Sign all sorts

531
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 2: of deals and go four wide with those that they're

532
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: in the same geographic footprints, so you can still travel

533
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 2: relatively local. You play each other, and you sign deals

534
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: with other conferences, and you get to that number, that

535
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: magic number, while controlling your own TV deals. Right because

536
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: right now Oregon and Washington kind of have George Clavicle

537
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: by the Gonads for lack of a better term. So

538
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: now are they going to get more money like USC

539
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: probably should have been getting from the PAC twelve under

540
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 2: Larry Scott. It's entirely possible that they're going to sign

541
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: twenty nine million dollar deals and some of the smaller

542
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 2: PAC twelve schools are going to sign twenty three million

543
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: dollar deals. So I'm still that micro conference for wid microe.

544
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: Or wide kind of guy. Yeah, this is by the way,

545
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: this is directly from Dennis dot article. I was looking

546
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: for it as I was saying it. Quote. Industry sources

547
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: still project a meteorizes deal split between ESPN and Amazon

548
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: for the Unbattled conference. However, However, however, the dissolution of

549
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve is being talked about openly in those

550
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: same industry circles as a potential consequence if the league

551
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: does not wrap up its deal soon. Right, the fact

552
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: that it could happen in these tenuous times is enough

553
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,239
Speaker 1: to project what the process might look like. So that

554
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: does not instill confidence in it.

555
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: No, I mean, look, the most realistic way this all

556
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 2: falls apart is the Arizona Schools, the Corner Schools, Arizona Schools, Colorado,

557
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 2: Utah joining the Big twelve. So the Big twelve is

558
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: now trying to compete with the other mega conferences without

559
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: the headline names. But in terms of the depth of

560
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 2: quality teams, they're approaching. They're absolutely approaching. When you add Utah,

561
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 2: who's been a top ten, twelve to fifteen national program. Lately,

562
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: Colorado has more juice because of Dion. You know Arizona.

563
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: Both Arizona schools have been to conference championship games, so

564
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: we know what those look like built up. So then

565
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: the Big twelve becomes a lot more interesting. And then

566
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: you're left with the Bay Area schools and the Pacific

567
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: Northwest schools, and so then you're gonna see the sharks,

568
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: right the sharks are going to be swimming in the

569
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: water for that chum. And somebody's gonna pick up Oregon

570
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: and Washington. Be it the Big ten, be it you know,

571
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: some sort of affiliation with other conferences, but not fully

572
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: joining the other conferences. And then where does that leave

573
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: Oregon State in Washington STI.

574
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it puts us right back to where we

575
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: were like a year ago. It brings us right back

576
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: into the meat of that discussion where you know, honestly,

577
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: if we're talking about one whole conference shuddering and teams scattering,

578
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: now we're talking about what happens with Notre Dame. Now

579
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: we're talking about what happens for Florida state conferences. It's crazy,

580
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: but you know, we're starting to have those types of

581
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: conversations again, and we're right back to square one. People

582
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: were not happy about that conversation with regard to USC

583
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: and UCLA. Yeah, people were. People were very affected by that,

584
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: and we saw a lot of the emails in the comments.

585
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: It left a lot of people feeling like college football

586
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: was going to a bad, dark place, and you know,

587
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: maybe it's still headed there, but we'll see where this goes.

588
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: The PAC twelve definitely interesting to follow.

589
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: Would have been interesting. I know there were conversations right

590
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: the Big twelve and PAC twelve aligning themselves with each other,

591
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: but they couldn't figure it out in terms of a

592
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: value add and like is it worth it to add

593
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: these teams into like a semi deal or something like that.

594
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: You know, that would have been a move from the

595
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: PAC twelve signaling we don't have anywhere else and have

596
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: no other exit plans, so we're going to take twenty

597
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: two million dollars each instead of you know, gambling on

598
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: ourselves in the opening in the open market. And so

599
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: that would have been a signal that it was waving

600
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: the white flag as a sovereign nation.

601
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: Neat Case Scott on Instagram, what's the best SEC schedule

602
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: format for the fans? For the fans. So speaking of

603
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: Super conferences, yeah, we got news last week Texas and

604
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: Oklahoma officially joining the SEC starting with the twenty twenty

605
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: four season. Twenty twenty four season, by the way, is

606
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: shaping up to be a pretty monumental season. It's not

607
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: just when I think we're gonna get what USC and

608
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: UCLA over in the Big Ten, but obviously Texas and

609
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: Oklahoma now joining the SEC, the start of the new

610
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: playoff format, the twelve team playoff format also get the

611
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: video game in twenty twenty four, So a lot happening

612
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: this season after this one that's coming up here at

613
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty three. But I think as

614
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: a result of going up to what sixteen teams now

615
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: in the SEC, they are going to be doing a

616
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: way with the divisional model that they've had. This is

617
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: the last year for it in twenty twenty three, and

618
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: they're going to be changing up how they schedule games.

619
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: So there are two formats that it appears the SEC

620
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: is centered around, and it's been this way for a while.

621
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: The first is eight conference games with one permanent rival

622
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: or nine conference games with three permanent which is the

623
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: format that you most prefer.

624
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: I like the three permanent rivals. I like three permanent rivals,

625
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: and I like, get me some ping pong balls on TV, right,

626
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: get me some representative from Texas A and M reaching

627
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: into a big old bag of ping pong balls and

628
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: having conspiracy theories around it and having to raise up

629
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: and you. And I don't know why they're using a

630
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: vaguely European accent, but I think that's going to be requirements,

631
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: and I am for that. I am for three permanent rivals. Well,

632
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: it was three permanent rivals or what.

633
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: Three permanent rivals nine conference games and three permanent rivals

634
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: or eight conference games in one permanent rival?

635
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: Oh, the three? Definitely the three. There's too much bad

636
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: blood and there's too much scar tissue within that conference already.

637
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's a thing where you

638
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: split it into microdivisions where it's just four four team divisions,

639
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: if my math is right, sixteen total teams, whatever the

640
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: case is, I want the three. I want, you know,

641
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: I want Alabama to be every year playing Tennessee, Auburn

642
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: and LSU. I just do. And I'm good. I think

643
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: enough teams can figure out enough permanent rivals that makes sense,

644
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: and then the rest of it is open. The rest

645
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: of it is open. The rest of it's ping pong balls.

646
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: So we got all the teams playing all the teams

647
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: much more often than we do now, and we have

648
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: some sort of ceremony, and you know, it's a big

649
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: deal in whatever it is in January or February or

650
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: something like that, when the scheduled are determined FIFA style

651
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Speaker 2: and there's already there's already conspiracy theories. Now why not

652
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Speaker 2: put those conspiracy theories in four K on the SEC?

653
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Speaker 3: Now?

654
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Speaker 1: I love it, I love it. Yeah, I'm with you.

655
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Speaker 1: I'm with nine and three. I think the nine and

656
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Speaker 1: three model is the one that that I like the most.

657
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Speaker 1: You may not be an SEC fan. I know we

658
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Speaker 1: got a lot of Midwesterners that listen to this show.

659
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Speaker 1: May not be a big fan of the of the SEC.

660
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Speaker 1: And that's fine. It's you're right. It is good for

661
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: it is good football. It is I think the highest

662
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Speaker 1: level conference in college football, and so I want to

663
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Speaker 1: see more of that. And I like the fact that

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Speaker 1: in doing a way with the divisional structure, it means

665
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Speaker 1: a team like Georgia is not going to be locked

666
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Speaker 1: into playing Vanderbilt in South Carolina and Kentucky every year.

667
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Speaker 1: No disrespect to those schools, but I'd like to see

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Speaker 1: what Georgia can do against some other opponents on a

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Speaker 1: more regular basis. And this would get us to that point.

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Speaker 1: This would get us to the point of not having

671
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Speaker 1: to wait twelve years in between matchups against some other

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Speaker 1: hated rivals or competitive schools on the other side of

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Speaker 1: the conference.

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Speaker 2: It also more openly integrates Texas and Oklahoma. Absolutely, it

675
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 2: weaves them into the fabric of the SEC, the quilt

676
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 2: that is SEC football. So you get Texas and Williams

677
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: Price and in Kneeland and in Sanford and in Tuscaloosa.

678
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Speaker 2: Well you get Texas Tuscalosa this year, right, But then

679
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 2: you get Florida in Norman, you get Ole Miss in Norman,

680
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: you get Tennessee at Texas, you get that more often

681
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Speaker 2: where you get all of the fan bases intermingling a

682
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: little bit more, the schools intermingling a little bit more.

683
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Speaker 2: And if it is this new era of SEC football,

684
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Speaker 2: you know it's it's, for lack of a better term,

685
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 2: it's like the positionless idea of sports, right that you're

686
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: just like, no, you're not locked in on a division

687
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Speaker 2: just because that's what the title says you should be.

688
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: There's nothing terribly traditional about playing your fourth most hated

689
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Speaker 2: rival in a conference. There just isn't. And I know

690
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: there's scar tissue, and I know there's battle wounds and

691
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: all that stuff between these two teams. Because of this

692
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 2: one game four years ago, You're still gonna play them,

693
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Speaker 2: maybe not every year, but you get those locked in

694
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Speaker 2: three and then you spread it all around and it's

695
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Speaker 2: novel every year. That's great. That to me is the

696
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Speaker 2: secret sauce.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm for more SEC games. I'm for the

698
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Speaker 1: spice of life. I'm for the nine and three model

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Speaker 1: for sure. YEA, not even a question. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: go to Let's go to Cole Schwartz on Twitter. He says,

701
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Speaker 1: as a diehard wisconstant fan, give me the ceiling for

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Speaker 1: this year's team. Am I an idiot for thinking ten

703
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Speaker 1: and two is realistic?

704
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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: Look, we did an episode like last week where we

706
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Speaker 1: talk through our coach draft new coaches, and we picked

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Speaker 1: two teams of five. The first overall pick for me

708
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Speaker 1: was Luke Fickle. It would have been for you as

709
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Speaker 1: well if you had the choice. We talked about that

710
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Speaker 1: as well, but I am on the record saying that

711
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Speaker 1: ten and two is very realistic. That I tend to

712
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Speaker 1: be overly optimistic about new coaches and new places, but

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Speaker 1: I like Luke Fickle a lot. I think Wisconsin is

714
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Speaker 1: still in a pretty good spot. I like what they

715
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Speaker 1: did in the transfer portal. The schedule is conducive to it.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of things that are that are

717
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Speaker 1: that are very much in their corner. So I think

718
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Speaker 1: it's realistic. I don't think you're an idiot. That's not

719
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Speaker 1: the same. I'll get to ten and two, but I

720
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Speaker 1: think it's a very high flour for Wisconsin, and I

721
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Speaker 1: think ten and two is there. You weren't quite as

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Speaker 1: optimistic about Wisconsin, but even you, I think acknowledged that

723
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Speaker 1: if you squint it, if you look at all the

724
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Speaker 1: factors here going into the twenty three season for the Badgers,

725
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Speaker 1: ten and two, it's not unrealistic, Dan, No.

726
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Speaker 2: It's not unrealistic. It doesn't happen a ton in a

727
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Speaker 2: scenario in which a new coach wins double digit games

728
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Speaker 2: in his first season, just because generally speaking, there's a

729
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: reason why a school has a new coach, right that

730
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: the old coach is bailing for whatever reason. And maybe

731
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Speaker 2: it's lack of confidence in the future of the team,

732
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Speaker 2: or maybe just sees the grass greener elsewhere, or they're

733
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Speaker 2: bad and need a new coach because they got rid

734
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Speaker 2: of the old guy. That's right, and so this year

735
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Speaker 2: was an especially good year for new coaches to come

736
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Speaker 2: in and win double digit games. When you look at Washington,

737
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Speaker 2: you look at USC, you look at TCU, Oregon, depending

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Speaker 2: on if you count the bowl game, I tend not to.

739
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Speaker 2: They were and three team that won a bowl game,

740
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Speaker 2: but even still flirting with it in that place, so

741
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Speaker 2: it's entirely possible. We talked about their schedule. We talked

742
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Speaker 2: about improvement what we perceived to be improvement at quarterback,

743
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Speaker 2: improvement perhaps in scheme. The defense isn't where it was

744
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Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. But once again, I think

745
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Speaker 2: they miss Michigan and Penn State. Is that correct on

746
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Speaker 2: their schedule?

747
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Speaker 1: Believe? I believe that's accurate.

748
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a great place to start. I know

749
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Speaker 2: they traveled to Wazoo, right they return that trip, they

750
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Speaker 2: lost to Wazoo. I can't randle last season, but all

751
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 2: things considered, it's a great schedule for a first year

752
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: coach to get acclimated to a new conference and new program.

753
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Speaker 2: So yes, it's a ten and two with three and

754
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: a half breaks, right, A couple strokes of luck, maybe

755
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: a doinked field goal, an injured quarterback, bad weather or

756
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: something like that. But it's attainable. But it's also you know,

757
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: seven to five is on the table because there was

758
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Speaker 2: a reason why Wisconsin took a downturn, and some of

759
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Speaker 2: that was talent acquisition, some of it was talent, some

760
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Speaker 2: of it was talent not being used correctly. I just

761
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Speaker 2: I think it's a lot to ask, but yes, I'll

762
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Speaker 2: stand by three and a half breaks can get you

763
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Speaker 2: to double digit wins if you set, if you gave

764
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Speaker 2: me even money either way, I would go under if

765
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Speaker 2: you said nine and a half. But it's a universe

766
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Speaker 2: exists absolutely in which they can get there.

767
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Speaker 1: Dan, let's move on. Let's talk about the Georgia offense.

768
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Speaker 1: Gary on Patreon asks does Todd Monkin's departure to the

769
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Speaker 1: NFL set George's offense back? So toddmunkin offensive coordinator hired

770
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Speaker 1: to the same position with the Baltimore Ravens. So he's

771
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Speaker 1: going pro and Mike Bobo a name from George past

772
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Speaker 1: I believe it was an analyst on the staff. Was

773
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Speaker 1: he not this past year something like that. I don't know.

774
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Speaker 1: Mike Bobo's back as offensive coordinator.

775
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was most recently a coordinator in the SEC.

776
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Speaker 2: As a full time job, does it set their offense

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Speaker 2: back absolutely in a meaningful way, in an appreciable way,

778
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. Well, here's the thing.

779
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Speaker 2: So we have a new quarterback who's presumably younger than

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Speaker 2: twenty five.

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Speaker 3: We have.

782
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Speaker 2: A team that's not going to be reliant on scoring

783
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: forty points to win despite what they lose once again

784
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: on defense. They are built and they have built themselves

785
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: up in such a way where they scored twenty four

786
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: points the game to win, and most offensive coordinators, with

787
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: the talent on hand, we'll be able to score twenty

788
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 2: four points with this team. Now, whoever wins that job

789
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Speaker 2: is probably going to be starting in a better place

790
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Speaker 2: than Stetson Bennett did. With how much Bennett moved around

791
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Speaker 2: and was counted out and didn't have the confidence of

792
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Speaker 2: his coaches, you'd think whoever gets the job this year

793
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: will have will be more empowered at quarterback with the

794
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: job immediately, but it's a lot to start over with

795
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Speaker 2: with a new quarterback and a new coordinator. It has

796
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Speaker 2: to be the vision of Kirby, it has to be

797
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Speaker 2: the vision of the guys they do return on the

798
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Speaker 2: offensive coaching staff. So yes, i think they're going to

799
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Speaker 2: take a step back, but I'm also excited to see

800
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Speaker 2: what Bobo can do. He is still considered be a

801
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: good offensive minus I've had some health issues. I just

802
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: for the short term because of the lack of experience

803
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 2: on this offense. I think they're going to be more

804
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: conservative than they've been these past couple years. I think

805
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: there are going to be happy to get up to

806
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Speaker 2: a medium amount, right, to get up twenty seven to

807
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 2: ten and sit, to get up twenty one to three,

808
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: twenty one to seven and sit, and just shorten that

809
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: game even more than Greg Sankie already wants to shorten games.

810
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 2: They are going to absolutely crockpot every week in the medium,

811
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Speaker 2: short to medium term. So yeah, I think it's going

812
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Speaker 2: to change the complexion of the Georgia offense. I don't

813
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: think they're going to succeed less in the wins and

814
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: losses column. Yeah, I mean a couple things that I

815
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 2: point out. Yea, right, Mike Bobo was there for a

816
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: good long time under Mark Rix, so Georgia fans are

817
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: familiar with Mike Bobo. He was there this past season

818
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: as an offensive analyst, and his role on that squad

819
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: really was to do self scouting and to look at

820
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 2: whatever Monkin was doing and figure out ways to either

821
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: avoid tipping off plays or make things more efficient or

822
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Speaker 2: make them better. So he's familiar with the offense that's

823
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: been installed at Georgia, he knows the verbiage, and there's

824
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: been some commentary out there that he doesn't want to

825
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Speaker 2: change it too much. He doesn't want to be like

826
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Speaker 2: he's starting things from square one, because obviously what they've

827
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Speaker 2: done has been really successful.

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Speaker 1: So that's the first thing. If I were a Georgia fan,

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Speaker 1: I'd at least feel heartened by that. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's going to be any kind of tectonic shift. It

831
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Speaker 1: might be a little bit more conservative. I think that's

832
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: fair to say. But the second point, the players that

833
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: are on Georgia's squad now are so much better than

834
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Speaker 1: they were the last time he was there. Right, if

835
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Speaker 1: he had brock Bauer back in the old day. If

836
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: he had Darnell Washington back in the old day, like

837
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: perhaps we would see a different version of the mic

838
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: Bobo offense as opposed to the one that you know,

839
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Speaker 1: some would say was all too happy to just run

840
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: at every play right, to lean too heavily on the

841
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: on the ground game. So I don't think it's going

842
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: to take any step back in a meaningful way as

843
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: you described. I mean, they're so talented up and down

844
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: that roster that the splits, the run pass splits might

845
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: look a little different. Maybe they're not as explosive as

846
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: they were under Todd Munkin just because of the play calling.

847
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: But by and large, I think George is just such

848
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: in such a good place with their talent that as

849
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: long as they remain at that really high level on

850
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, which I think we've

851
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: come to know and expect this point, the offense is

852
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: always going to be in a position to score points

853
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: and succeed. So I'm not too worried about it. I

854
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: hate retreads, but I think just given the fact that

855
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: he's been around the program, he's a hell of a motivator.

856
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: By all accounts, people like playing for him, so I

857
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: think it'll be fine.

858
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: Here's the devil's advocate is that Kirby has not hit

859
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: a thousand. Is not bad at a thousand in terms

860
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: of quarterback decisions, quarterback evaluation, offensive coordinators. You know, the

861
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 2: tail end of the Jim Cheney Jake from experiment wasn't great,

862
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: right that, and they weren't as talented as they are now.

863
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: They couldn't get away with mediocrity on offense and the

864
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: way that they could hypothetically now because of where the

865
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: defense is. But this is now the era that it's

866
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart dealing with attrition as part of the success, right,

867
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: the attrition of coaches in successive years. He's now lost

868
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: a defensive coordinator and an offensive coordinator who wouldn't want

869
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: to coach at Georgia, who wouldn't want to recruit at Georgia,

870
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: who wouldn't want to be responsible for that level of

871
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 2: success at Georgia. Right, it's a crazy enticing of coordinator jobs.

872
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: But also success isn't guaranteed. Success is just not guaranteed.

873
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: We're coming off of a year in which Alabama, who's

874
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: had everything in the world, not make the playoff, not

875
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: even win the sec West, Right, it's entirely possible with

876
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: a roster full of NFL players to not win your division,

877
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: to not win your conference as one of the two

878
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: three four most talented teams in the nation. And so

879
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: I don't think anything's guaranteed, but this year, I think

880
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: the train will keep running well next year, So twenty

881
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: twenty four new teams in the conference, because you know

882
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: how everybody's scared of Texas right now. Sure, in Oklahoma's defense,

883
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: it's a question. It's a question what the actual long

884
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: term plan is for Georgia's offense and who that quarterback is.

885
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: You know, they put ever, they put all, They pushed

886
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: all their chips to the middle for arch Manning and

887
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: it didn't work out. And so again they'll be just fine.

888
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: But what's the next phase. What's Kirby three point zero

889
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: look like at Georgia? That to me is an interesting

890
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: question because again, nothing guaranteed, even with a back to

891
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: back national champion.

892
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. They tried to fill that vacancy very quickly.

893
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: As soon as Munket was gone. It was Mike Bobo's job.

894
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: So clearly continuity is something that Kirby's put a premium

895
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: on and they're going to try to keep this train rolling.

896
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: But like you said, they're gonna be new faces. Success

897
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: is never guaranteed. Even though the guy had a lot

898
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: of success there before, and he did have a lot

899
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: of success there before, there's no guarantee that this next

900
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: iteration will produce the same result. I think they'll be fine.

901
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: I don't see any reason to really doubt it, but

902
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: it is a fair question.

903
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's things are looking a little bit better than

904
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: they could just because Florida seems to be a mess,

905
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: seems to be an ice flow on fire headed out

906
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: to see. But other than that, Yeah, Tennessee has improved

907
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 2: but showed itself to be not quite ready for primetime

908
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: last year in Athens, and look, South Carolina is coming up.

909
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: Kentucky has showed flashes of danger, but that specific division

910
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 2: as currently constituted, it's got to be Florida and Tennessee

911
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: as the threat. That's a dual threat whatever to George's dominance,

912
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: and right now it's not a twenty twenty three problem

913
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 2: for the dogs, it seems.

914
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: Is Florida really going to start Graham Mertz as starting quarterback.

915
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: As opposed to in Yeah, I as far as I

916
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 2: can tell.

917
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, Florida fans, hate to do that to you.

918
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: Let's close it out on this day. We get a

919
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: bunch of other questions. Maybe we'll save those for our

920
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: Thursday show. If you're cool with that, sure, let's do it.

921
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: A lot of good ones here. I wanted to close

922
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 1: this one out with an email that we got from Kevin,

923
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: very specific email. What does Syracuse do with Dino Babers.

924
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: We had one great season, a bunch of five and

925
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: sevens went seven and five after starting six and oh

926
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: this past year. I don't think we should extend him

927
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: anytime soon, but I don't know who would a better

928
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: hire be. I'm not delusional and think Syracuse should be

929
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: ten and two every season, right, but eight and four

930
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: seems reasonable from Kevin. Thank you, Kaz, A good question.

931
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: We like Dino on the show. We always have a

932
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: couple reference points, just to throw them out there. In

933
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: terms of returning production, which is not everything but is

934
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: a meaningful number, especially for a school like Syracuse. They're

935
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: a top twenty five team in terms of returning production

936
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: seventy three percent on offense, seventy two percent on defense.

937
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: That's inside the top forty on both fronts, so got

938
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: enough coming back to hopefully continue some of the momentum

939
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: from last season. I would also add that the schedule

940
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: looks beautiful on some level. There is a stretch. There

941
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: is a stretch in the middle of the season last

942
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: week of September through the middle of October where it's

943
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: Clemson at North Carolina at Florida State. But otherwise it's Colgate,

944
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: it's Western Michigan, It's at Purdue, It's Army at Virginia Tech,

945
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: Boston College home against well the neutral site game, excuse me,

946
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: against pitt the one that they're playing in Yankee Stadium

947
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 1: now at Georgia Tech, close out the year against Wake Forest.

948
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: So I'm not counting anything as a surefire win for Syracuse. However,

949
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: outside of those three games in the middle of the season,

950
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: it feels like a pretty workable schedule. So what I

951
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: would say here is whatever you want to do with

952
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: Dino Babers, it will probably be very clear after this season,

953
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: because this is a schedule, and this is a roster

954
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: that's got enough back and that's got I think enough

955
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: runway here with this slate that if they want to

956
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: win eight games, seems like it's there.

957
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: Okay, all good points, ty, do you have many eight

958
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: win seasons Syracuse has as an ACC team, so since

959
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, one if eight and three is a reasonable expectation,

960
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: sometimes one, one, yeah, one win in the Big East

961
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 2: since two thousand, okay, so going back to two thousand,

962
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 2: so that's the Paul Pasqualone era. How many eight win

963
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: seasons do they have in the Big East in the

964
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: regular season? Eight and four plus type seasons since two

965
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 2: thousand because they actually did, you know, under Donovan mcnapo team,

966
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 2: so two thousand more modern era, So two thousand and one,

967
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: they go ten and three after the Bowl nine and

968
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: three top fifteen team. After that, the number of eight

969
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 2: win seasons in the Big East in the regular season

970
00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 2: is zero. So it's nice to say, and maybe the

971
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: schedule workout has it definitely did a couple of years

972
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: ago when they won ten games. If you remember, they

973
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: played a bunch of all kind of overrated ACC teams

974
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: and pulled those out with the senior quarterback. They got

975
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: very lucky on in Eric Dungee, who I think is

976
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: from Portland, Oregon. Eric, you're your guy, Eric Dungee. The

977
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: evidence is not there that Syracuse should be an eight

978
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: ish win team more often than not, and that's generally

979
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: not because on paper they look like they could be,

980
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: but in practice, this is not a team that can

981
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: recruit a too deep that can compete with the upper

982
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: half of the ACC consistently in an average year, and

983
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: so six I think Bowl should be the expectation at Syracuse,

984
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 2: all things considered, with the amount of dedication or lack

985
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: of dedication, however you want to view it. For Syracuse.

986
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: I think Dino's fine. I think he's absolutely fine. The

987
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: weird thing. The thing I would be concerned about is

988
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 2: cash money, because they don't seem to keep coordinators around ever.

989
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: And so maybe that's a good reflection on Dino Baper's

990
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: ability to evaluate new assistant coaches and hires and everything

991
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: like that, But it doesn't seem like they're matching buyouts

992
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 2: or doesn't or matching you know, Okay, we're off. You

993
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 2: were raised to stay instead of going to coach you

994
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: know Nebraska's defense Tony White, and so lack of turnover

995
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: is concerning ability to recruit and build up that too

996
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 2: deep to win eight games more often than not, pretty

997
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: concerning interesting home field advantage in whatever they're calling the

998
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: carrier dome now, JMA wireless.

999
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: They get that, right, May wireless.

1000
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at me, I just I don't know. I

1001
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: it's it's again, it's an on paper thing. And the

1002
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: ACC is in a weird place right now. But even still,

1003
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 2: you start six and oh, then everybody realizes you don't

1004
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: have a defensive front and run straight at them and

1005
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 2: there's nothing you can do and your quarterback gets hurt.

1006
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: There just there's very little wiggle room, there's very little

1007
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: margin for error at Syracuse. And so who do they

1008
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 2: got just demolished in that year they went ten? I

1009
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 2: think it was Notre Dame, right, Yankee Stadium, I believe, so, Yeah,

1010
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 2: they lost like thirty five to three. And so that's

1011
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: that's the issue where you just don't have a twelve

1012
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: game roster. And I think you win six or seven

1013
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: in Syracuse. It's pretty good. And Dino Babers is buy

1014
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 2: and large done that.

1015
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 1: Dino's been there since twenty sixteen, went to a bowl

1016
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: this past year, went to a bowl back in twenty eighteen,

1017
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: hasn't gone to a bowl at any point beyond that.

1018
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: A lot of five and sevens and four and eight's

1019
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: in here for Dino Babers. The one season where they

1020
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: did go ten and three, they finished up ten and three.

1021
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: That was the year where they had a top fifteen offense. Right,

1022
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't think this is ever going to be the

1023
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: kind of program that is driven by defense. Dino's an

1024
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: offensive guy. If he can get offense out there, then

1025
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: we're talking, then we're talking.

1026
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: I think expectations foot it kind of was driven by

1027
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 2: defense these past couple of years. To go five and seven, yeah, right, six,

1028
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: to go five.

1029
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: And have to go six and six, even still has

1030
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: not fielded a top fifty defense. So relatively speaking, defense

1031
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: has been okay, but the offense has not been there

1032
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: to match and to hold up its end of the bargain.

1033
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: Maybe that'll be different this coming season. I don't know,

1034
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: but I tend to agree with you. I don't know

1035
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: if the historical data is there to suggest that Syracuse

1036
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: can get there to be a consistent eight and four team.

1037
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: But what I am saying as we look forward down

1038
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: to twenty three, the schedule's there for it, and the

1039
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: roster is there, I think to go eight and four

1040
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: if they want to, not a whole lot of teams

1041
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 1: on that schedule that really put the fear of God

1042
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: into even on the road at North Carolina with some

1043
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: of their turnover, with how they've underperformed on defense, it's

1044
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: not a stretch to envision to shootout in which Syracuse

1045
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: comes away winning. But I think this is the year.

1046
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: This is like the mistest for Dino. If you're a

1047
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: Dino fan, if you believe in Dino, if he can

1048
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: get everything going in the same direction, you can envision

1049
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: an eight and four season. If not, if he goes

1050
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: five and seven again against a schedule like this, then

1051
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: then maybe there's a reason for some healthy skepticism.

1052
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: And it's also because I remember the end of the

1053
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 2: Perdue game. Was there another game that Syracuse eked out

1054
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: like they're just always going to be eight points, Like

1055
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: the swing between seven and five and four and eight

1056
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: is going to be so tiny, right that margin I'm

1057
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 2: pulling up what they did this year. It's just when

1058
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: you have that kind of coach turnover, especially, it's just

1059
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: when you don't have that any sort of successful continuity,

1060
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 2: it seems. So they lost five straight, they lost by six, seventeen, ten,

1061
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: thirty five and ten once again, and so in their wins.

1062
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 2: They beat Perdue last second, they eke by Virginia by two.

1063
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: So they go seven and five this year and they're

1064
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: like ninety seconds from going five to seven. Yeah, so

1065
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: that just it doesn't give me a lot of confidence

1066
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 2: that they're able to build up that roster to like, oh,

1067
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: our you know, left guard went down, our week side

1068
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: linebacker went down, and we're not going to miss that

1069
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: much of a beat, which is what better teams are

1070
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: able to do. And so they obviously didn't have it

1071
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 2: at quarterback when they got hurt there. Yeah, I just

1072
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: think they're right around five hundred.

1073
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: We shall see Sliverblegmail dot com as always, is the

1074
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: email address that does it. For today. We've got a

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Speaker 1: time for the Thursday episode. But keep the questions coming,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just came up as you were saying that,

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Speaker 2: I came up with the stupidest idea I've ever come

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Speaker 2: Forballer Stuff on our bruin a or something that's some

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Speaker 2: sort of special reveal there. Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Dan, Happy President's Day. Okay, Hey you as well.

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Speaker 2: Hope you get a new mattress or something to take

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Speaker 2: advantage of the sales for that guy.

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Speaker 1: Dan for myself tied, Thanks again for tuning on in.

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Speaker 1: We will talk to y'all soon. Stay solid, peace,