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This is Rashan McDonald and 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: I am the host of Money Making Conversation dot com. 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: I recognize that we all have different definitions of success. 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: For some insuscizable paycheck, mine is helping people wake up 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: and inspiring them to accomplish their goals and live their 14 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: very best life. Leave with your gifts and don't let 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: your age, friends, family, or co workers stop you from 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: planning and living your dreams. I want you to stop 17 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: tripping over small challenges and prepare to rise above the 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: bigger obstacles that life will present to you. My Money 19 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: Making Conversation and dot com guest this week all gospel 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,279 Speaker 1: artist Jonathan McReynolds, civil rights leader Reverend Al Shopton, chef 21 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: Ron Dupratt, and Seeing D Agency founders Dina Matto and 22 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: Courtney Roose. Tune into Money Making Conversation dot Com right 23 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: now and listen to free advice that can change your life. 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: My next guest, Jonathan McReynolds is a Grammy nominated and 25 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: Stellar Award winning artist, songwriter, and producer. He is also 26 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: the founder and CEO of the record label Life Room Label. 27 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: Jonathan has served as a judge on the last two 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: seasons the BT's hit competition show Sunday's Best, which wrapped 29 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: his tenth season. This summer, is performing on the and 30 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: he's also performing on the fifty one annual g M 31 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: A Dove Awards, which were air on octobert on tv N. 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: Please welcome to Money Making Conversation, my man, Jonathan McReynolds. 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: How are you doing pretty good? Hey? Jonathan? For Steve Harry. Now, 34 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: for many years, man, we did celebration of gospel and BT, 35 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: and we saw the evolution of gospel music. Uh. I 36 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: like to believe you know that, Uh that became and 37 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to use this wrong. You know how 38 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: the star power of gospel music grew and grew? And 39 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: am I saying that in correctly? Because I felt that 40 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: with social media, you guys became uh, venue acts, arena acts, 41 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: and where you were initially was just regulated to church 42 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: church venues and so and it was all it was 43 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: amazing watching that because of the fact that you know, 44 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: people will come in and and direct carpets and all that, 45 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: and it was it was how is your role in 46 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: watching that growth? What changes have you seen? What do 47 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: you think has been the music, the style of music, 48 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: or social media that has led to that tremendous growth 49 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: in the brand of gospel music that we're here today. Well, now, 50 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: I think it starts off with just the music man. 51 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: When you have you know, the Kirk Franklins of the 52 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: world that you know, they have released music that you 53 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: know might have started in the church and might have 54 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: been you know, meant for you know, gospel music listeners, 55 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: but they crossed over and became you know, big songs 56 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: just you know not Yeah, Marvin Stad never would have 57 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: made it. Ela Adams over to my heart. I need 58 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: you now, I'm smoking North all of that stuff, But 59 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,839 Speaker 1: to make me cry job, Come on, man, don't don't 60 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: do it like that. This early an interview, this interview 61 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: never would have made. Man, never would have made. Yeah, 62 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: all those songs, Uh, they really just created a bigger 63 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: platform for our generation. Uh So now we're not even 64 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: just looking at Okay, you know what Sunday Service? Can 65 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: we sing it? No, we are. We're thinking of, Hey, 66 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, we can go into these big venues, theater, 67 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: you can do club tours. It doesn't matter where we are. 68 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: We bring the same thing. We're gonna bring the same atmosphere, 69 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: the same music. It doesn't matter where we are. But 70 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: when we go to these different places, Uh, it allows 71 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: people whether they were in church every Sunday or visit 72 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: just on Easter and Mother's Day, or they haven't been 73 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: to church in teen years, they all come to hear 74 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: the music. And so it's just been really an amazing 75 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: time to live in and do gospel because, yeah, the 76 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: platform and what we can do with this music is 77 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: absolutely bigger. And I had the credit you know those 78 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: incredible artists that I just mentioned, and Mary, Mary and 79 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: many more. Uh that really just you know, changed the 80 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: game for us. You know it really all those names 81 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: very familiar with it. I know that I'm from Houston, 82 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: Texas and Kirk Franklin is from from Dallas for Worth area. 83 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: And I remember when his first hit Talk came out, 84 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: which he celebrated anniversary on recently. Um then that changed, 85 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: you know. I remember I was doing a comedy concert 86 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: Steve's headlined. We sold out the music hall, and the 87 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: Anthony Brown was on this show, and I played that 88 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: song right before we started our comedy show, why are 89 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: we singing? Why are we sing and uh, and it 90 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 1: was just a breakthrough song. And you know, Mary and Mary, 91 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, uh change Shackles on your Feet was a 92 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: dance floor hit, you know. And then Kurt Franklin came 93 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: back with Stump that was a dance floor hit. And 94 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: so all this music. You know, we're in a club 95 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: drinking and foraging, but we're out there dancing and I 96 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: like to believe, soaking in the word but also dancing 97 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: to the world. And that's that to me, was really 98 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: a strong transition, because you know, nothing negative. But you know, 99 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: up to that point, gospel music wasn't perceived as a 100 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: social music. It was perceived as church music. And when 101 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: they started, when I do give a lot of credit 102 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: to Kirk because he transitioned and made it a crossover hit, 103 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: a phenomenal hit, not just a baby hit, phenomenal hit, 104 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: and God's Property was out there doing things and touring on, 105 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: doing plays and all those good things. So, but when 106 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: I look at your talents today, Jonathan, because social media 107 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: plays a big role in who you are, tell us 108 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: how you use it, because it creates a lane of 109 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: independence for you that ten years ago was not available. Yeah, 110 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: I think that's the big ship that we're seeing. Even 111 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: though labels are still important and are still relevant, and 112 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: you know, we're blessed, you know that labels have much 113 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: bigger pocics than we normally would have, especially we're starting off. Uh, 114 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: you know, social media still gives us that opportunity to 115 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: reach directly to you know, the crowd, directly to fans, 116 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: directly to people, directly directly to other believers and even 117 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: pastors and everything. They can see what we're doing, what 118 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: we're releasing, what we're working on, even if they haven't 119 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: seen the official promotion you know from the label, that 120 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: they haven't heard the official radio single yet, they can 121 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: still see kind of firsthand what we are and what 122 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: we're working on, and so I think social media definitely 123 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: allows us to do more. You know, even back in 124 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: you know Kirk Franklin, you know when he was changing 125 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: the game. You know, it was pretty simple. Then it 126 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: was kind of we're not simple, but it's kind of straightforward. 127 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: You know, you re Lisa record. Uh, you know, it 128 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: gets on the radio whatever. You know, hopefully it hits 129 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: and gets the number one on the radio chart and 130 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: then maybe we'll do some gigs around it. But now, 131 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much more we can do. We 132 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: got you know, we can uh we can do tours, 133 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: we can do contests, we can do uh hashtags and 134 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: just have you know, trendy things. I was actually nominated 135 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: for a Grammy for a song that wasn't even a single, 136 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: but because it had such a viral uh nature to it. 137 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: And I mean people all the way from you know, 138 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: pop Stars and Disney and you know, Escape and all 139 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: these other people they were singing this song, sing in 140 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: this run and it was it became so viral that 141 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: it actually had impact on the Grammy, even more so 142 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: than the radio single that went number one. And so 143 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: it's just a different day where you have there's there's 144 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: less rules. Uh. And the whole point is just to 145 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: make something that really speaks to the people, speaks to 146 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: the culture, and you'll win. Now you're doing your latest singing, 147 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: moving on featuring Molly Music. I I that's my man, 148 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: That's that's my man. Right now. How did you guys 149 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: get together on this single? Hey man? Honestly, we've known 150 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: each other for a very long time. I've had to 151 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: remind him that a long time ago, I used to 152 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: sing with the group uh five guys. It was like 153 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: it was like, uh wait, wait, wait singing with a 154 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: group WI, what were y'all doing? That just sounds like, right, 155 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: that's not like new edition right there, that's a new 156 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: addition for gospel. Close. It was close. We had some 157 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: of the same moves sometimes go but we were singing. 158 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: We were singing gospel and he actually was doing a 159 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: concert and we were we were h we were like 160 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: opening for him at his concert. He actually pointed me 161 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: out during his cell He pointed me out and he 162 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: prayed for me, like in front of everybody. And you know, 163 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: I think from then on, um guy was obviously speaking 164 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: to him and letting them know that he's gonna do 165 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: something special with me even outside that group. And sure 166 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: enough ten years later, Man, we're working together. I mean 167 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: that's my friends throughout and we decided it's about time 168 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: that we actually did something together. And uh, moving on 169 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: is our baby, man. So I'm just really proud of it. Bro. Yeah, 170 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna dropped that. Because I had him on the show, 171 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: man fell in love with to do Man, and I 172 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: like to believe that he impacted me and I impacted him. 173 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: That's why I found it money making conversations, to be 174 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: able to talk to the behind the scenes concepts of 175 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: why people are great and then share those values on 176 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: my show and hopefully inspired people to see that they 177 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: can do it too. And so when I look at you, 178 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, you know you you gospel now you you've 179 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: been on TV. How has the impact of being a 180 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: judge because I've been on Sunday's Best because that's a 181 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: tricky roller plan because you have to be constructive but 182 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: not what they say, um damaging the people and they're 183 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: getting them to the next level. How had you did 184 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: one season? What did what did you do? Did you 185 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: make any changes to your style of second season? Jonathan? Nah? 186 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: You know? Now I would say that this second season, Uh, 187 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: they showed a lot more of our deliberation and so 188 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: people really got a little more mad than normal than 189 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: the first time. But yeah, I think that it's I've 190 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: actually enjoyed it, you know it kind of I always 191 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: love special things that that kind of bring you outside 192 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: of just the normal, you know, recording and performing. So 193 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. Man, Honestly, you know, you just 194 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: have to at the end of the day. Uh, let 195 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: it out, y'all, at the end of the day, at 196 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know, and that you can. 197 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: As I was talking to Jesse Collins, who is the producer, Yeah, 198 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: he was just like, man, gospel fans are the hardest 199 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: fans ever. I mean you you would think that these 200 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 1: people couldn't sing if you look at Twitter, you know 201 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And they are great, you know, They're 202 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: just not everybody's favorite. And so at the end of 203 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: the day, we no matter how hard the judges are, 204 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: regular people they probably can't sing, are still gonna be 205 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: even harder. And so I think, uh, they all are. 206 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: A lot of the contestants, you know, I can still 207 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: talk to They still ding me from time to time. 208 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: They still fill me in still ask me for advice 209 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: and help on certain things. So I think, you know, 210 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: it's all love. They understand you know that you know 211 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: we have to be critical, but we just wanted to 212 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: make them better. And over the time you see how 213 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: they become not just singers because church is full of singers, 214 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: but as you were talking about, because the industry that 215 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: general has ended so much because of people like Kirk 216 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: and Marvin and Mary and yourself and yourself more. You're 217 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: listening to money making conversations with Rashan McDonald, will be 218 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: right back. 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And then when it comes to gospel in music, 244 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: the problem that church people because I was I've done 245 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: children with Steve Harman, now we did. We did a 246 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: tour with Kurt Franklin, and I went out there and 247 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: they were telling me you need a you need to 248 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: market on church radio station. I go that's where the 249 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: church people at and I wasn't selling no tickets. I was. 250 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: I was on all the church of quote unquote church 251 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: radio stations. When I went back to R and B stations, Jonathan, 252 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: I started selling tickets. So that lets me know that 253 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: you can't define that audience. You can't sometimes you can't 254 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: even locate that audience because they all have values that 255 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: that that that can can can mislead you into saying 256 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: this is where they're at. And so when you're dealing 257 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: with church songs, you know, just because they can't sing, 258 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: people feel their church music. You know, that might be 259 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: tied to a happy moment or a dark moment in 260 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: their life, or somebody wasn't sick. And so so when 261 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: they hear somebody singing it and in their mind when 262 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: they heard it, that's what we're gonna stay with them forever. 263 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: And so that's why they're so hard when it comes 264 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: to church music, because church music is different. I can, 265 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: I can hear a different version of a Marvin Gay song, 266 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: and I'm cool with it. Boy, Yeah, come on now, 267 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: but don't but don't mess up my church songs. Come on, 268 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: come on, come on, come on, come on now, come on. 269 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: And that's that's I mean, that's a good point. Absolutely 270 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: and that's why that's why when I look at you, man, 271 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: I mean I'll be checking you out, man, because you know, 272 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: my boy Curt and everybody and Justice's doing the production 273 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: over that BT. I've always been a big fan of 274 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: what they're doing for the gospel lane because of the 275 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: fact that you know, we all know that these type 276 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: of shows aren't always the best both watch shows, but 277 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: they need it, man. They're necessary because they feel a 278 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: vore and they also allow us to share in a 279 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: I call it good food eating good food. You always 280 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: want to do a good food for your soul and 281 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: that's what good church gospel shows are. And so with 282 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: you being a judge, has it helped your brand from 283 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: a social standpoint or from a marketing standpoint? You're walking 284 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: in the airports, people recognizing you're going to seventy eleven, 285 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: people say, my man, j Jay, how does it help 286 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: your overall? Oh? Yeah, I mean it's great because you know, honestly, 287 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: because of the way my music is, and honestly, you 288 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: you're saying that, you know, back in the day of 289 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: back when you guys are touring with Kurt, you know, 290 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: you would see that the church folks and people that 291 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: want to come to the concerts. Sometimes they're listening to 292 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: the RMB stations even even it's even more spread out 293 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: now you you kind of knew, you don't you can't 294 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: even track black people now, you know, select the church 295 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: all over the place, you know what I'm saying. So 296 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: so you know bringing you know, when you when you 297 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: get to do the type of music that I do. 298 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: And I've been actually touring clubs and venues. I haven't 299 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: toured a church in a very long time, you know, 300 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: as far as um, you know, just going from from 301 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: church to church. So the thing is we have to 302 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: we get to find people in different places. But Beach 303 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: Sunday Best that was still kind of a hub for 304 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: a different generation, like maybe an older generations, people that 305 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, before everything got all chaotic, you know, before 306 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: before we started spreading out, and and you know, our generation, 307 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: we we barely went to church growing up, you know 308 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But the generation that really did, um, 309 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: you know, they're still watching Sunday Best and those of 310 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: the people, uh, they'll they'll they'll they'll call me young 311 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: Buck in the middle of you know, the airport, young Buck, 312 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: because that's what Kirk calls me. So I know that 313 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: I know that bore they got it from you know 314 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: they watching I love Kirk Franklin. He could do no 315 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: wrong with me. Man, that brother and is so special 316 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: to me. And you know I the thirteen years we 317 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: did uh celebrating the gospel. That brand that Steve's Harvey 318 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: is so deep in the black community. So I know 319 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: how loyal black people are. And so you're getting a base, 320 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: Jonathan that is loyal for you, will follow you to 321 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: your grave and pray for you when you're sick, and 322 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: celebrate you your success. And that's what you really want 323 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: when you're talking about your brand and building your brand. 324 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: And then from an educational standpoint, you have a master's 325 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: and what now what's your master's in? Yeah, and and 326 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: and so you're professor at Columbia College. Tell me how 327 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: are you marrying all these different lanes and and and 328 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: still be a good looking guy? You know, because in 329 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: the end, you're still a good looking guy. Okay, there's 330 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: gonna be real. Now you're gonn looking at guy. Now, 331 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: a lot of things going on in your life. Now, 332 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: you know, how are you juggling all these balls up 333 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: in there? It's definitely is definitely tough, so but I 334 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: love it as I grow stronger, Yes, sir, because I 335 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: mean it's crazy. Man. I love all those lanes, man, 336 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: I love I love the different looks, you know. I 337 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 1: love being ah Ad junk Professor Colombia. That's one actually, 338 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: that's probably one of the favorite parts of my life. 339 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: I took off of this U semesters of our Caul tour, 340 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: but uh, you know that's really um my, one of 341 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: my favorite things to do is teaching. As a matter 342 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: of fact, I've had to choose between singing and teaching. 343 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: Unless the Lord told me something different, I probably would 344 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: choose teaching. So it's just really, uh, you know, one 345 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: of my favorite parts. And you know all of that, man, 346 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: it keeps me, you know, uh, it keeps you. You 347 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: know the Bible and Ecclesiastic that says invest in seven 348 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: ventures even eight because you don't know what disaster will 349 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: come upon the lad Basically you don't know which one 350 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: of these things are gonna succeed, you know what I'm saying, 351 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: So don't don't put all your eggs in one basking. 352 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: So I really appreciate, you know, just kind of diversifying, 353 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: not just with money, but just with my enjoying in 354 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: life and my fulfillment that it doesn't always have to 355 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: all come from music and singing. There's something that comes 356 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: from teaching. There's something that comes from my nonprofit, which 357 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: is The Live Nation, which is really even more teaching, 358 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: just about wisdom and more spiritual things. Uh. Those are 359 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: the things that really keep me fulfilled. Um, and you 360 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: know diversifies my life. Well, you know, first of all, 361 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,959 Speaker 1: you know recently gave out of thirty thou dollars in scholarships. 362 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna go there. But there's nonprofit. Let's tell everybody 363 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: what he does. He speaks it and he does it 364 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: at the same time. But you have an upcoming performance 365 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: coming up in the fifty first annual Dove Awards. Tell 366 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: us about that. It's October on TBN. Another big branding 367 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: moment for you. When when I talk about money man conversation, 368 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: it's about branding. It's about marketing. It's about doing the 369 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: things to keep your platform moving forward. You have great 370 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: relationships with a man music you got you know, Kurt Franklin, 371 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: you know you You're you're you're teaching in college, you're 372 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: touring in clubs. You have two back to back season 373 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: on Sunday bed Ass and now you have the double Awards. 374 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: That really it's what you what you're trying to do. 375 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: You're trying to be like model for success. Does that 376 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: sounds good when you've listed like that? Thank you? Well? 377 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: I remember, I'll just repeating when I know about you, 378 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: and I brought you on the show because you got 379 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: it going on. When I started saying, and that's what 380 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: I wanted people understand is that sometimes people are pigeonholed you. Oh, 381 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: you can't do this. You're only supposed to do this. 382 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: And I say to anybody, if you're there are twenty 383 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: four hours in a day, learn to take advantage of 384 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: each hour. That's what I tell people. So now, if 385 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: you're struggling saying I'm not a morning person, there are 386 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: people out there who get up in the morning and 387 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: do things while are you sleeping. And that's the type 388 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: of person I see you as your person is saying 389 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: God has given me the ability to wake myself up, breathe, 390 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: and move forward physically with no restraints. You know, I'm 391 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: not I'm gonna say. I'm gonna saying I'm not I'm 392 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: not always a morning person, but I'm definitely. I'll stay 393 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: up all night until it's done. Person too. So, well, 394 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: you know what you gotta if you put, if you 395 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: push it more thing before you get up, you gotta 396 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: get some sleep to get back up. Yeah, So I 397 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 1: ain't gonna get mad at you're doing. So. So tell 398 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: us about the TV and experience that you're gonna do 399 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: with the Dove Awards October thirties. Yeah, man, I'm excited 400 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: about it. Man. You know, Jim A has always supported me, 401 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 1: and my music gets kind of a platform that uh 402 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: you know, has tried best to kind of diversify the 403 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: Christian music experience. I mean, we got some stuff over 404 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: in gospel, but you know that CCM, there's that worship music. Uh, 405 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: that's hip hop. You know, there's blue grass. You know 406 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. There's a whole bunch that that falls 407 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: under Jesus music. And so they do they do what 408 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: they can to kind of show and platform all those 409 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: different things. And so I'm honored man that they that 410 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: they brought me on the show. Uh. It's proven to 411 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: be a real good um meeting ground for a lot 412 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: of different cultures, especially in these crazy times, uh times 413 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: of protest us and you know, just kind of racial 414 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: tension and all the other stuff. It's been a really 415 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: good platform to kind of talk about things, uh from 416 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: a like minded space, you know, saying well brings us 417 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: together at the very least is Jesus, you know. So 418 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: we have been able to have real good conversations and 419 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: then yeah, I'm gonna sing and it's gonna be really dope. 420 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: I like the way that they're position. The whole thing's 421 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: really just tell the story of of of racial tension 422 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: and unity, but how the church to do something about it. 423 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: I tell you, I just had Lacrex on the show. 424 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: We talked about them about Travis Green has been on 425 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: the show. Marlin Music. We just talked about he's doing 426 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: the song the single with you that's moving on there's 427 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: out now. And now Jonathan back Reynolds, I'm gonna thank 428 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: you for coming on the show. Man Grammy nominator, stell 429 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: a war winning all this songwriter, producer, you know, all around. Uh. 430 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: He had twenty four hours a day and I'll tell 431 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: you this, young man, he may not be a morning person, 432 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: but when you go to sleep, he tired. Just let 433 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: you know he ted. I've definitely keep tiring. Hey, John, 434 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: thank for coming on the show. Back, I thank for 435 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: coming on Show'll be had a good time. Man. I 436 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: know the first time we've interviewed you on the show. 437 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: I always know these doors are open man when people 438 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: come on the show. Man. I put your brand out there, brother, 439 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: with social media, newsletters, all kinds of things, because your 440 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: brand needs to be recognized as a true success story. 441 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: My friend. Okay, thank you man, I can tell you 442 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: really good. Brother, Thank you so much. Man talked. Appreciate you. 443 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: We talked soon, my friend. All right, if we need 444 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: more money making conversation interviews, please go to money Making 445 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: Conversation dot com. 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Slash Radio Rishan McDonald to host of money 463 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: making conversations. The Cafe Marca Swag Award is a celebration 464 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: of black men who are making a difference in our 465 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: community by empowering others to reach their life goals. From 466 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: civic leaders, businessman, activists, celebrities and everyday days. The Cafe 467 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: Marca Swag Award one of this week years. Kurt Franklin. 468 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: Since making his debut in the early nineties, Kurf Franklin 469 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: has established himself as a trailblazer i con and contemporary music. 470 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: He first burst onto the world stage with the song 471 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: While We Sing Forever, changing the look and sound of 472 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: gospel music. That was really the foundation of my career. 473 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: It just opened up doors for me to work with 474 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: so many incredible people. It kind of starts with with 475 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: a major s giveing with God, you know, just kind 476 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: of be at the piano and just right, you know, 477 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: and and I'll just write it. Spent a lot of 478 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: time just asking God to give me something significant to say, 479 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: something that can be transformative. Marca Swag Award represents man 480 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: who helped strength, whose wisdom is assertive, and who are 481 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: genuine in their spirit. Welcome back to money making Conversations. 482 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: I'm your host Sean McDonald My next guest. Reverendew Shopton 483 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: there is an internationally renowned civil rights leader, founder and 484 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: president of the National Action National Action Network. National Action 485 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: Network is one of the leading civil rights organizations in 486 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: the nation, with one hundred and six chapters nationwide. Reverndee 487 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: Shopton hosts a daily radio show, Keeping It Real with 488 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: Revernee Shopping and the national cable television show a title 489 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: Politics Nation. He does it combined seventeen hours of television 490 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: and radio media every week. And this new book, Rise Up, 491 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: which we're talking about on the show, Confronting a Country 492 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: at the Crossroads. The Reverendew Shopton draws on his decades 493 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: of unique experience as a civil rights leader, a politician, 494 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: and a radio and television the radio host to encourage 495 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: voters to stand up for what they believe and then 496 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: act change in their country. Please working the money making conversation, 497 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: Reverend Al Shopton, how you doing, my friend? Before before 498 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: we got on the air, I was read. I read 499 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: the book the last couple of I try to read 500 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: quote a book as close to my interview so everything 501 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: stays fresh. Rep Now Shopton, I started yesterday. I wrapped 502 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: it up. I got up at four o'clock this morning, 503 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: wrapped it up this morning. Uh. The book was so 504 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: compelling because it felt like because the things you were 505 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: talking about were just like in the news almost yesterday, 506 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: and here I am out reading the book today. So 507 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: when did you wrap? When did you stop writing the 508 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: book and turn it over to the publisher to make 509 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: it such a elevant book? Well, what happened is Uh, 510 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: in early spring I started writing, and I said that 511 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: I wanted to write a book because I felt that 512 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: the country was at the crossroads. Uh, in many of 513 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: the things that we have dealt with for the last 514 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: half a century as a country. To fight around black 515 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: lives and and our civil rights, for African Americans to 516 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: fight around gen d quality, for women to fight around 517 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: lgbt Q rights, to fight around healthcare. And it was 518 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: a stock contrast between the way the past administration of 519 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: Barack Obama, all the way back to the days of 520 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: Dr King when I was just a kid, was going 521 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: one way and now the way this president administration has 522 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: gone in those areas. And then the pandemic hits. So 523 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: I said in the publishing, wait a minute, let me 524 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: put the pandemic again, not knowing it would last as 525 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: long as it did, because as you know, in early 526 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: March when it started really hitting, we thought it would 527 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: be over by eastern East to turn into the fourth 528 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: of July. So I kept adding and keV adding and 529 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: updating until uh, George Floyd happened, and I really had 530 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: to delay it because I ended up in the middle 531 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: of all of that. And then I finally said, right 532 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: before we did the big march on Washington August that 533 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: that was it. I was gonna have to close it 534 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: because it looks like things we're not gonna calm down. 535 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: So I rode all the way to late August. You know, 536 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: when I look at things and you know, I've known 537 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: your long time. You know my relationship with Steve Harman. 538 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: I still have a positive relationship with Steve uh and 539 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: trying to define who my what my voice is, and 540 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: listening to your voice and I see what it really is. 541 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: And because I want to call out some information about 542 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter movement, which is about police accountability reform. 543 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: But now I guess in four what you matched on 544 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: shot four black men on subway. This is about you 545 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: discussed this in your book. He was ultimately cleared of 546 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: attempted murder and served less than a year in jail 547 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: for illegal firearms. That's what they're charging for today. But 548 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: now I guess it's still living in New York City. Okay. 549 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: Then you had the Howard Beach incident in the eighteen 550 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: eighty six but you're discussing your book when Michael Griffin 551 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: was struck and killed by Passion motor after being chased 552 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: by white mall. Then in eighteen eighty nine the Vincent 553 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: Hurst into, then another white mall, and sixteen year old 554 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: Yustep Hawkins was shot and killed Sean Bell fifty bullocks. 555 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: Now fast forward to in his back and Now fast 556 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: forward to Air Ghana in fourteen and George Floyd and 557 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: I say, I have to ask you about the Black 558 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: Lives mar the movement because you've been doing this for 559 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: a long time, and people kind of act like this 560 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: movement just started because it's been publicized so much in 561 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: the media. And sixty seventeen, you know, the Trump administration, 562 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: led by Rudy Giuliani, tried to call it a terrorist group, 563 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: an organizations. I made accusation that was that. Tell us 564 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: from yours a standpoint, what is the Black Lives Matter movement? 565 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: I think it is a movement that is really calling 566 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: on accountability of police. I don't think it's even an 567 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:16,479 Speaker 1: anti police movement as an anti bad police movement. And 568 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: I think it has been effective and it has grown. Uh. 569 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: You know, when Trayvon Martin was killed uh in UH 570 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve in Sanford, Florida. UH, and ironically 571 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: President Trump is kicking off his you know, coming out 572 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: of COVID UH with his first rally in Sanford, Florida, 573 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: and UH in the same exact location. UH when that happened, 574 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: they wouldn't even arrest George Zimmerman, who shot and killed 575 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: Treyvon and his parents, and attorney Ben Crump, who has 576 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: worked with uh ME, a national action network for in 577 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: other cases, came to me. I had not even heard 578 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: of Treyvon, and Attorney Crump said, that's why we came 579 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: to you. Trayvon had already been funeralized and buried for 580 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: about two weeks. They said, we want you to help 581 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: make this a national issue. So I got on it 582 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: and I said, well, let's have a rally right there 583 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: in Sanford, and uh we called some of our people 584 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: chapters around FLATDA, but then we also called our national 585 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: radio people. One of the people that are called and 586 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: people the listeners need to know, was you, uh got 587 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: Steven there? Yeah, I mean, let let's let's not act 588 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: like a lot of these cases. You didn't get the 589 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: first call, and you said, Steve, we better get on this. 590 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: And then you started with your own media platform. You 591 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: were my link because you know, Steve is all over 592 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: the place as you were. But you would call me 593 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: right back. She said, reever wouldn't call me if it 594 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: wasn't important. And uh we beat the drums and we 595 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: put ten thousand people in in uh Sanford, and it 596 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: happened to be when I was getting ready to get 597 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: on the plane hit the Orlando that day. Because I 598 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: threw the Orlando. The drive to Standford, I got to work, 599 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: my mother died, who had been sick, and I went 600 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: anyway because I felt my mother would have wanted me 601 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: to do that, and I did, and we got enough 602 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: people to where they felt the pressure. They arrested Zimmerman 603 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: as he went on a few months later went on 604 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: to trial. As you know, he was acquitted. That night, 605 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: three young ladies sat out and wrote the hashtag black 606 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: Lives Matter, and uh it blew up and became a theme, 607 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: and it went through a lot of the protests around 608 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: Trayvon all the way into aer Ghana and Michael Brown 609 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: in uh in Ferguson, Missouri, and then it kind of 610 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: lull for a minute, and then it picked back up 611 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: when we started shot in a rash of other cases. 612 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: So to say that they are terrorist, you know, these 613 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: were three brilliant sisters that captured a phrase, that captured 614 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: exactly how we all felt that we didn't matter. You 615 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: can shoot a kid with a make believe security guard, 616 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: he wasn't even that and quit him. We matter, and 617 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't saying others didn't matter. It was saying that 618 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: you act like we don't matter, and we're affirming that 619 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: we do. You get in life which you affirm yourself 620 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: to be. And I think that that movement grew. They 621 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: formed some Black Lives Matter organizations, They worked along in 622 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: many cases with other groups, in some cases they didn't. 623 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: The three sisters work very closely with us in National 624 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: Action networking other groups. And there's always been like that, 625 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: as you know. And back in the days when you 626 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: and our kids and they you had din a CP, 627 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: you had Dr King, you had uh Care, but then 628 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: you also had Malcolm X and you also had the 629 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: students sitting in that king and sitting on a lunch 630 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: cattle ride of bus. So I think a lot of 631 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: the media are lazy and don't deal with the fact 632 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: that we're not looking at anything different. There are different 633 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: ways that people express their outrage, but all of us 634 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: are trying to fight for change. Black Lives Matter is 635 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: not terrorists, They're trying to stop the terrorism. When police 636 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: can shoot a man in his back running away from them, 637 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: as the case in Kenosha uh and and when the 638 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: police can shoot a man at Wendy's, that is intoxicated. Uh, 639 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: and and and he's running away. That's terrorism. So how 640 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: do they call that terrorism? And and and not and 641 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: call those that are peacefully protested, many of them white, 642 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: saying black lives matter? How does that become terrorists? We 643 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: speaking of that? Because that's that's the part that really 644 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: changed for me, was the white participation in the protests 645 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: becau as the fact that you know, we all know 646 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 1: there was a scheme out there to making a black 647 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: violent crime situation. Don't trust black people. We're gonna tear 648 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: up your neighborhoods and create white fear. But in this 649 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: particular movement, after the George Floyd, white people were watching, 650 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: and not just a few white people were watching. I 651 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: watched TV and I just see white people just walked 652 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: up my screen on television, then a black person, then 653 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: more white people did a black person. What do you 654 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: why do you feel that has been a tremendous upswell 655 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 1: and white people being angry, being annoyed, being upset because 656 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: we know it's white people important, We know it's white 657 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 1: people in Seattle. There's not black people up there, there's 658 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: white people. That's right, that's right. Well, let me say this, 659 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: I think what happened was because the George Floyd video 660 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: came out during the pandemic. Everyone was shut down and 661 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: couldn't go out. There was no distraction. As she turned 662 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: on the TV. People were watching the news, trying to 663 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: get the update on the pandemic, when will this break? 664 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: When can I go out? When can I go to work? 665 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: And then watching the news. They had no distractions because 666 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: you couldn't watch the ball game because there was no 667 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: ball games. There's no baseball, no basketball, anything. And I 668 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: think this is the first time that the whole country 669 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: was locked into having to watch this video over and 670 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 1: over again on the news, and a lot of whites 671 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: just said this is outrageous and exploded. So many of 672 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: the whites that didn't see the video tape on Ari 673 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: Gando when he died from a trokehold from a New 674 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: York City policeman, they saw what happened to uh George Floyd. 675 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: And then when they when you emphasize to them that 676 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: this man the policeman had his knee on his neck 677 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 1: eight minutes and forty one seconds, they would saying, wait 678 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: a minute, that's just beyond the pale, which is why 679 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: when I did the eulogy, in Minneapolis, or for George 680 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: Floyd's family. I asked everybody to stand up, and people 681 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: all over that were watching, even all over the country, 682 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: people stood up. I got all kinds of tweets fans. 683 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: I really didn't get it till you told me to 684 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: stand up, because after three minutes I was tired. How 685 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: do you have that kind of vigor and rage to 686 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: hold your knee on somebody's neck that's pulsating and begging 687 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: for their life unless you have a whole lot of 688 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: venom in you. And I think it was the graphic 689 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: of eight minutes and forty one second and the fact 690 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: that everybody saw it that ignited a lot of whites. 691 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: I went to marches where they were more whites than 692 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: blacks right there in Minneathles, and I think that that's 693 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: what happened, and I think that's a good thing. So 694 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 1: they can't pigeonhole it. There's just angry blacks. It's angry 695 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: Americans saying that we have to do something about bad cops, 696 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 1: and good cops are to be wanting to see something 697 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: bad about bad cops because it makes them look bad. 698 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: It really does. I'm talking to renew shopping in his 699 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,280 Speaker 1: new book Rise Up, Confronting the Country at the Crossroads. Remember, 700 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: now I'm just read your book, and it's a reader. 701 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just call out some really great line liners 702 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: and moments in the book that that I want you 703 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: to respond to. One of my favorite lines in the 704 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: book is if if Don Ki was born white, he 705 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: will be Trump. Yeah. God, kids, who you and I 706 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: know is a great promoter. That's where he is. He 707 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: doesn't profess to be a political leader, consensus leader. He promotes. 708 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: He sells his promotion. That's who don Ket is. Don 709 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: Don Donald Trump is the same. He's a promoter. The 710 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: man Uh does not have a political ideology, does not 711 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: have a real philosophy. His thing is he promotes what works, 712 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: and racism worked for him. Birthism is how he started 713 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: his political career, saying the president of the United States 714 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: was not really one of us. And when he saw 715 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,399 Speaker 1: that work, he therefore leading and used that. And they's 716 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: been using racial language and and and racial leadings ever since. 717 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: And I told him and our least UH meeting that 718 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: because he's saying, why are you calling me a racist? 719 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: Because if you're comfortable with racism, you've got to have 720 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: racism in you because there's things that you and I 721 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: would just not be comfortable. And I don't care how 722 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: much he was working for us, And that's where I 723 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: made that assercition. He's a promoter. He's not a thinker, 724 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: he's not a doer. He's a promoter and he uses 725 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: whatever works. 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And 752 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: then when you look at his game plan, he is 753 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: a like you said in your book, he's a he's 754 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: a uh. He's a guy of theorists about comparcity conspiracy theorists. You. 755 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: He sits around when that when I read last week 756 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: where he fought he he he tweeted forty times forty 757 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: times period. My god, who does that? You do social media? 758 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: Not do social media? Can we cast on social media? 759 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 1: It's tiring. I'm just telling about it's tiring to post. 760 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: It's time to come up with ideas to say in 761 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: social media to do it for forty times right now, 762 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,240 Speaker 1: that's really really ridiculous and and and it can gessue 763 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: if he supposed to me the head of the free world, 764 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,800 Speaker 1: how do you even have time to do that forty times? 765 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: But that's who he is, that's where his focus is, 766 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: that's where his priority is, is to promote and to 767 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,720 Speaker 1: use the social media to do it. And he uses 768 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: television to do it. And as he said, I was 769 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: surprised when he won, but the way he was able 770 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,879 Speaker 1: to manipulate the media. He was rolling over in the 771 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: bed calling TV shows and they put him on the 772 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: air and he got times of free media likes. Now 773 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: like he's doing what excuse now? Right now you don't 774 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 1: even have to come in the studio, They don't have 775 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: to set up the zoom. He just talks and they 776 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,240 Speaker 1: let him go. And that's a promoter, but it's dangerous 777 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: for the future of the country. You have to ask 778 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: yourself when I say he has no philosophy, and and 779 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 1: you reiterated that your shows about how people can really 780 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: be entrepreneurs or make their ends meet whatever level they 781 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: want in terms of money, what is his economic policy. 782 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: I do not know a black businessman in New York 783 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: that ever got a major contract from the Trump organization. 784 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: So when he says the blacks, uh, he worked with me, 785 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: the only record we have is him as a businessman. 786 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,879 Speaker 1: I don't know a big black firm or small one. 787 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: They could say I was able to expand my business 788 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: and you're a major contract through Donald Trump. It takes 789 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,879 Speaker 1: effort to be in New York, as you know, and 790 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: do business and never do business with blacks or Latinos. 791 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: It takes effortence, effort because we wanted were there's too 792 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 1: many of us. First of all, especially when you go 793 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: to the boroughs. It's if we just populate. And I've 794 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 1: always said that the five Boroughs and each one of 795 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,479 Speaker 1: the five boroughs have more black people than most major 796 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: cities in the United States. So trying to avard the 797 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: black person and then when you include the Latinos, it's 798 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: ridiculous when you say you can't do business. It was 799 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 1: just like you know, the CEO of Wells Fargo, so 800 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: he can't five qualify black people to work for him. 801 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: When people can make these statements, they make these statements 802 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: because guess what, they don't want to associate themselves or 803 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: accept the fact that we compete. And when I look 804 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,720 Speaker 1: at you and I've been blessed to you know no, no, uh, 805 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson, I know you for long time being associated 806 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: with Steve. We've sat down a very intimate situation and 807 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: trying to motivate black people with information. And that's what 808 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: you've all been about me, with information. That's why I've 809 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: always returned your phone calls so quickly, because I say, 810 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 1: he called him and he needs something, and they need something. 811 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 1: I gotta be there to assist. Now I had to 812 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: start of interview. I talked about the movements that you've 813 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 1: been involved with most no to be since four the movements, 814 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: the marches, the marches, the marches, the marches are such 815 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: a dominant arch right now and what we're doing, they're 816 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 1: going on right now. They just don't report them anymore. 817 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: People are still marching in this country. There's is marches. 818 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: This is not reporting, but people still marching because of 819 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: the fact that that Donald Trump was making it a 820 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,399 Speaker 1: political issue. But now he realized it doesn't work. Guess 821 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 1: what He's backed off, like they're not happening anymore, you know, 822 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,279 Speaker 1: but not saying anything about those same guys who went 823 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 1: up to the in Michigan, who tried to kidnap and 824 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,880 Speaker 1: possibly kill the governor with the same idiots in March 825 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:39,839 Speaker 1: who he said, liberate Michigan. He sauld liberate Michigan. He 826 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 1: helped to put some or some gangs on the fire. 827 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: And these guys, that's calling them terry. Why isn't he 828 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,359 Speaker 1: calling them out? And these guys, can you imagine if 829 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,800 Speaker 1: some black guys talked about kidnapping or governor or any 830 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:04,280 Speaker 1: Latinos or some or Muslims, he would have been going bananas. 831 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,719 Speaker 1: He just spent out every National Guard he could. But 832 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: these are white. He says nothing to say, hasn't announced it. 833 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,959 Speaker 1: And they literally were talking about studying a civil war 834 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 1: and it's absolutely and some of them really didn't care 835 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: about him, you know, they were just anti governor and 836 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: that's why government. So that's why it's really crazy when 837 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: you realize that the people you're trying to motivate are 838 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,359 Speaker 1: really anti you and the anti government and really are 839 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 1: terrorists just like you said, they're domestic terrorists. And he's 840 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,479 Speaker 1: not even acknowledging that, and nor is Mike Pitts either, 841 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: And that's the information I just try to deliver on 842 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,360 Speaker 1: my show. It's an entrepreneur show. But guess what what 843 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: they're doing in the White House affects us. What they're 844 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 1: doing in the right affect us as Black people with 845 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 1: the covideen because we're overtly affected by the the the 846 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 1: way we eat, ugh, our lifestyles, all that by finances 847 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: are being affected by COVID ainteen and the financial packages 848 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 1: that they failed to approve. When you look at all 849 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,319 Speaker 1: this happening and you've not been around a long time 850 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 1: for him, now, what is your fear take on this? 851 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,319 Speaker 1: What is our future? And how important is November thirty 852 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: for everybody to get out and vote. Our future is 853 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 1: in our hands. We have the numbers if we come 854 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,399 Speaker 1: out and vote in these various states. UH to turn 855 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: this around, and not for Joe Biden, but for us. 856 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 1: We can't afford to lose the affordable care and we 857 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,800 Speaker 1: can't afford to lose the voting rights which in many 858 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: states they have changed the voting laws, and we need 859 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: the Voting Rights Act to be empowered more with the 860 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,040 Speaker 1: John Lewis Voting Rights Bill that has passed the House 861 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: of Representatives but has not even been been put in 862 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: front of the Senate because McConnell will not put it up. 863 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 1: But if the majority of the Senate changes the Democrat, 864 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 1: it won't be up to McConnell, be up to the 865 00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 1: new majority leader would probably be Chuck Schumer. We got 866 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: not afford for them to turn back affirmative action that's 867 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,440 Speaker 1: going in front of the Supreme Court. Uh So, these 868 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: all of these issues say that we have got to 869 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,319 Speaker 1: stand up and take our features and magic is not 870 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 1: gonna bring us a reverse and liberation. We've got to 871 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: do the work. God is not gonna come and do it. 872 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 1: God has given us the strength to do it, and 873 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: we've got to vote that our forefathers who had faith 874 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 1: in God for it to get us. We need to 875 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,320 Speaker 1: use it in a mass way. And as you said, 876 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 1: it is related to entrepreneurship and business. But God called 877 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,720 Speaker 1: me one day on the show, my radio show and said, well, revenue, 878 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: I ain't in the politics. I want to go in business. 879 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: I said, but you can't go in business without dealing 880 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 1: with the political reality. Where you want to set up 881 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 1: your store is a zoning board decides whether it can 882 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,920 Speaker 1: be a business there commercial or whether it's residential. That's political. 883 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,280 Speaker 1: Or the regulations you don't have to follower is decided 884 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,360 Speaker 1: by regulators. That's political. Everything you do, how you bank, 885 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,839 Speaker 1: what the interest rate, all of that is political. So 886 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 1: you can't run from it in the name of I'm 887 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 1: in business. I'm not in politics. To be in business 888 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 1: is to have to engage and who makes the political decisions. 889 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,759 Speaker 1: That's why you should at least vote to make sure 890 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 1: you have the people in there that's sensitive to your 891 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,360 Speaker 1: issues and your interests. It's that's what a powerful statement. 892 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 1: And that's why y'all tell people you can't have a 893 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,279 Speaker 1: closed minded approach to it doesn't bother me, it's not 894 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,960 Speaker 1: affecting me. It's not in my neighborhood. That's them and 895 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,840 Speaker 1: them look like you. You can't talk like that because 896 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,839 Speaker 1: eventually I always tell people they pulled George Florid out 897 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: of the Mercedes being okay, that's what I tell people. 898 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 1: All remember the car he got pulled out of. It 899 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,799 Speaker 1: wasn't a jealope, he wasn't on the side of the 900 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,319 Speaker 1: street looking homeless. They pulled him out of Mercedes Ben 901 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,719 Speaker 1: and State. And so that means that economic structure means 902 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,760 Speaker 1: nothing to people who devalue you because of your color 903 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,880 Speaker 1: or you as a human being. But when I was 904 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 1: reading the book, or you know, your book rides up 905 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,480 Speaker 1: um what compelled you write the book because there's so 906 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: many layers that talks about you know, four years old, 907 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,440 Speaker 1: when you started your James Brown experience and what he 908 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,240 Speaker 1: taught you, and and and the one of my favorite 909 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 1: lines in there is like in my life, I run 910 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: with dreamers and schemers. Martina King, Jr. Nelson, Mandela and 911 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 1: John Lewis are dreamers. Roger Stone, Don King and Donald 912 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,720 Speaker 1: Trump are schemers. And then I added this line, good 913 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 1: our runs bad only if you stay the course. That's 914 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,239 Speaker 1: your line. I just put it together because that is 915 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,840 Speaker 1: absolutely the truth what we're talking about right now with 916 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,920 Speaker 1: this election. Good out runs bad if we stay the 917 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,839 Speaker 1: course and vote because too many schemers win. We're letting 918 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,239 Speaker 1: too many schemers win revenue. That's right, and we let 919 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 1: them win because we don't do our best. We don't 920 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,760 Speaker 1: stay committed and dedicated and discipline. But if you stay 921 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 1: the course, no matter what, there is going to be 922 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 1: a win. There is always light at the end of 923 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 1: the tunnel. If you don't give up the way to 924 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,160 Speaker 1: the tunnel, and you just gotta keep going. And one 925 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,640 Speaker 1: of the great things I wanted to bring out in 926 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,600 Speaker 1: the book was that you brought out in the book 927 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,719 Speaker 1: because of the fact that, well, did you write the 928 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,200 Speaker 1: book or you have a ghost writer? How did you? 929 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 1: How I wrote? Fantastic? Fantastic Mike Eric Dyson. Now he 930 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: puts some pay he putsn't working that, uh that forward. 931 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,840 Speaker 1: Now he puts the word forward. And because of the 932 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: fact that he told me some things, he got me 933 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,040 Speaker 1: excited about the book Michael Eric, and I went, wow, 934 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:28,879 Speaker 1: this is powerful stuff. When I went into the book, 935 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,040 Speaker 1: I went, wow, this is really in things I didn't 936 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,840 Speaker 1: know about you. And one of the things that was 937 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,320 Speaker 1: compelling to me was the fact that the gold medal 938 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 1: you wear around your neck is not jewelry. Tell everybody 939 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 1: about it being know the Lord what I did the 940 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: match that you mentioned in Howard Beach and six, where 941 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: we were watching about three black young men were attacked 942 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,000 Speaker 1: for being in the Howard Beach section in Queens, New York, 943 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,040 Speaker 1: which was mob dominated at that time. Uh, And we 944 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 1: kept watching. We ended up with getting and three of 945 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 1: those young men indicted for manslaughter. Jose Williams, who was 946 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: one of Dr King's chief lieutenants h years before, came 947 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,760 Speaker 1: to New York and he would give people the Martin 948 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,480 Speaker 1: Luther King madallion he had made to try to unite 949 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,839 Speaker 1: them that you have worked in the spirit of Dr King, 950 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 1: who he worked with for so long. And he came 951 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,839 Speaker 1: to the rally and hung out around my neck, and 952 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 1: it made me feel like if I was in the streets, 953 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,360 Speaker 1: it made you feel like a made man. He was 954 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,440 Speaker 1: one of the main elders of the movement that I 955 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,400 Speaker 1: had looked up to all my life, uniting me with 956 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 1: this matinlu King mcday and I think I slept with 957 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,160 Speaker 1: him for three days. So I would wear it all 958 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,239 Speaker 1: the time because I was so honored by and the 959 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,800 Speaker 1: press with all him and in the day and even 960 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: some blacks w did he wear in jury for it 961 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 1: wasn't jury. It was an award from uh from Jove Williams. Now, yeah, 962 00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,080 Speaker 1: I wore track suits, but I was a young guy. 963 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:04,520 Speaker 1: That was what we war in those days. Curtis blow 964 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,120 Speaker 1: all of them. With my contemporaries, I grew up Spike Lee, 965 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,520 Speaker 1: Russell Sinners. All of us was Brooklyn and Queen the 966 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,800 Speaker 1: same age group. We grew up together, and I dressed 967 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 1: my age. I wasn't you know Jesse was thirteen, fourteen 968 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,000 Speaker 1: years older than me, and and John Lewis, and they 969 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,359 Speaker 1: were a generation ahead of me. I dressed like my 970 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: generation and uh so people made caricatures out of it, 971 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,760 Speaker 1: but I was just being me And I talked about 972 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 1: that in the book Yourself, be aufended. You don't have 973 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,719 Speaker 1: to try and and and cramp your style or readjust 974 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,879 Speaker 1: your style, be you, because if you understand yourself value 975 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,800 Speaker 1: and have real self awareness, you can make it work. 976 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,759 Speaker 1: And you are making it work. And in closing, uh, Reverenair. 977 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,200 Speaker 1: How can one be an activist? You know, how can 978 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,480 Speaker 1: one use the media? And because that's important right now 979 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,880 Speaker 1: because you've been doing it so long, you you know, 980 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,959 Speaker 1: you've written a book on motivation, seeing us, seeing it through, 981 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, getting through the through, from the positive and 982 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 1: from the negative to the positive. Talk about how can 983 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 1: I won't be an activist? One can be an activist 984 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,479 Speaker 1: by first determining what it is you want to get done. 985 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be a huge march. It doesn't 986 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,759 Speaker 1: have to be uh something everybody talks about. It could 987 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,640 Speaker 1: be I want to do something in my neighborhood. I 988 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,800 Speaker 1: want to do something in my church, something in my business, 989 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,919 Speaker 1: or some in my workplace. Set a goal and then 990 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 1: be determined to get that done and in your local 991 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,319 Speaker 1: or even bigger than that. Use the media to tell 992 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,799 Speaker 1: your story. Don't have the media be your goal. Have 993 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,600 Speaker 1: the media be your means to a goal. Watching doesn't 994 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:46,320 Speaker 1: solve a problem. Watching exposes a problem. But if somebody 995 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 1: doesn't know how to expose the problem, you'll never forced 996 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,040 Speaker 1: those in power to deal with it. As long as 997 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 1: they can operate in the dark, they will continue to 998 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,239 Speaker 1: do whatever they want to do. But as soon as 999 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,120 Speaker 1: you put the light on something, everyone has to just 1000 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,000 Speaker 1: because everyone's looking at what's being done. Wow, Rise Up. 1001 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,239 Speaker 1: Confronting the Country at the cars Row is a new 1002 00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,200 Speaker 1: book out by Reverendew Shopton. Revernew thank you for coming 1003 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,600 Speaker 1: on the show. I'll tell them, tell them to come 1004 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,280 Speaker 1: and send me some flyers. I got over a million 1005 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,920 Speaker 1: social media followers. I got a fan club, over ninety 1006 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,160 Speaker 1: thousand fan club members. I want to send your flyers 1007 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 1: out with a links with the sellers. Book is a 1008 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,760 Speaker 1: great book, as you know, I've read it. I'm enjoying 1009 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna share with my friends and tell them when 1010 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,600 Speaker 1: I say share and share the link to Bye. I 1011 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,919 Speaker 1: don't just share books, I said. We try to sell 1012 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,480 Speaker 1: books here. We try to get number one on the 1013 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,279 Speaker 1: best sellers and stuff like this. If we try to 1014 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,160 Speaker 1: but just the way, well, I will offend it to you. 1015 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,920 Speaker 1: And uh, let me tell you something. There's only about 1016 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,920 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five people in the world who's opinion of 1017 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,000 Speaker 1: matters to me, and Rishawn, you are definitely on that list. 1018 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,800 Speaker 1: I appreciate it much. Respect man, and you all respect. 1019 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. Bye bye, all right, take you. 1020 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,000 Speaker 1: If you want to hear more money making conversations, please 1021 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,720 Speaker 1: go to money Making Conversation dot com. I'm with Sean McDonald. 1022 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm your host. My next guest on Chef Rond Pratt. 1023 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,239 Speaker 1: In twining that team, he was named Industry Chef of 1024 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,360 Speaker 1: the Year. Currently, he is the Food and bevers Director 1025 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 1: Executive Chef at Amarillo Golfing Country Club and Amarillo, Texas. 1026 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm a Texas boy born and raised in Houston, Texas. 1027 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,320 Speaker 1: He gave the first game recognition when he competed in 1028 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,640 Speaker 1: Bravo TV's Top Chef with his magnetic personality and farm demeanor. 1029 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,200 Speaker 1: There was no keeping him off TV. Then he went 1030 00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,880 Speaker 1: on Spike TV's Bar Rescue, Iron Chef America be Bobby 1031 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,840 Speaker 1: Flay on the Food Network. He always amazed his judges 1032 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,200 Speaker 1: with his exotic foods that combined rich, Caribbean and French flavors. 1033 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,279 Speaker 1: Ron has also been featured on the View to Today's Show, 1034 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:43,320 Speaker 1: BT Access, Hollywood Essence Magazine, Huffington Post, and Oprah Magazine, 1035 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,560 Speaker 1: just to name a few. Please welcome to Money Making 1036 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,360 Speaker 1: Conversation for the very first time, my man, Chef Ron Dupratt. 1037 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank You're excited to be with your guys. Well, 1038 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,640 Speaker 1: when we're on TV, you excite me because I'm a 1039 00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,920 Speaker 1: food I'm a foodie. Ron. So when I said a 1040 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,680 Speaker 1: man who can deliver the plate, you are the king 1041 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,239 Speaker 1: to me, you are the king. Yes, sir, I can't 1042 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,640 Speaker 1: wait to cook with you. Well, let's let's talk about 1043 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaker 1: you in general. You know, I'm I'm I'm born and 1044 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,400 Speaker 1: raised in Houston, Texas, and uh my my initial background. 1045 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,000 Speaker 1: When I for became the person I am, right, I 1046 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,319 Speaker 1: left IBM and became a touring stand up comic and 1047 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,319 Speaker 1: so I performed in Amarillo several times in fact, I've 1048 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,480 Speaker 1: done some New Year's each show back in the day, 1049 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,720 Speaker 1: so I'm very familiar with the the lifestyle, the culture 1050 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,320 Speaker 1: of Amarillo, Texas, and you know, Texas a hot state 1051 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to heat. How did you miss, Bobby Q. 1052 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,640 Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. Now, How did you 1053 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,680 Speaker 1: you know I'm a barbecue king? Now? How did I 1054 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,359 Speaker 1: didn't see anything out there said barbecue? Not saying that's 1055 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,319 Speaker 1: an insult to you. I'm just saying, talk about your 1056 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,960 Speaker 1: origines and how you got to become the chef that 1057 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:57,720 Speaker 1: you are today. Well, as you know, I have no limits. 1058 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,120 Speaker 1: Bobbecue is nothing my specialties, but I make some of 1059 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,800 Speaker 1: the best barbecue anyone ever make. I can't take anyone 1060 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,719 Speaker 1: down in barbecue. Not my specialty. As you know, my 1061 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:15,280 Speaker 1: specialty is French and an Awkwa Caribbean. But I'm in Texas. 1062 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,280 Speaker 1: As you know, in Texas is whether you do it 1063 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:19,920 Speaker 1: or you can't do it. Now, you're gonna come on, 1064 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:24,760 Speaker 1: rob It, come on, because you know you know that's 1065 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,040 Speaker 1: what I'm excited every time I see you. I'm like 1066 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,560 Speaker 1: gonna apologize. Keep talking rong because you're talking about food. Now, 1067 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,560 Speaker 1: you were talking a little smack there so I had 1068 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,800 Speaker 1: to dive in. But keep talking because I love talking. 1069 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,000 Speaker 1: Listen to your TV and watch you. Yeah, so you know, 1070 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 1: barbecue it's not my specialties, but I do some badass 1071 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:48,360 Speaker 1: brobecure and I can't take anyone anywhere any place. As 1072 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,440 Speaker 1: you know. Netflix, we tried to me. They want me 1073 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,080 Speaker 1: to do it, Bobby cue Shure, and I said, no, 1074 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna pay me, I'm not gonna do it. So 1075 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,280 Speaker 1: that's why I didn't do it, because I guess that no, 1076 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,800 Speaker 1: I have some to your scale. Now, how did you 1077 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,320 Speaker 1: get now into the whole cooking genre? You know, because 1078 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,720 Speaker 1: of the fact that which is something you as a 1079 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,600 Speaker 1: child that you was excited about when you when in 1080 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,000 Speaker 1: the kitchen, you just had the natural skills. Did you 1081 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,400 Speaker 1: go to school? Give us your background? Run Well, my background, 1082 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,880 Speaker 1: I was borne raised in Haiti, uh, you know, and 1083 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:27,000 Speaker 1: Haiti at the time growing up, mel wasn't allowed in 1084 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,160 Speaker 1: the kitchen. There's a couple of things for you doing 1085 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,520 Speaker 1: kitchen is where there you're super poor or you're gay 1086 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:38,320 Speaker 1: and uh. And I wasn't media of them. So the 1087 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,240 Speaker 1: objective was to find a happy medium. So when I 1088 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,760 Speaker 1: get to this state, I started working on a Little Italy. 1089 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,880 Speaker 1: I worked with uh gentleman by the name of Philip 1090 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,200 Speaker 1: Maran and his wife Anna Moran, and I said that 1091 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,120 Speaker 1: I'm moving on to work with Chef Randall eight Cots, 1092 00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:02,480 Speaker 1: Chef Adam Savage bobs up As from Benchmark International. That's 1093 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,200 Speaker 1: one of these people who have ship up my career. 1094 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,479 Speaker 1: And I said that I went to school in France. 1095 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,560 Speaker 1: If run the court the cuisine because I want to 1096 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,080 Speaker 1: be I want to be better than anyone out in 1097 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,600 Speaker 1: this planet. I want to make as much money as anyone. 1098 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,760 Speaker 1: And I don't want people to look at me for 1099 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,280 Speaker 1: as Ronda Pratt. I want everyone to look at me 1100 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,840 Speaker 1: as a shof So that's why part of my career, 1101 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,360 Speaker 1: as you know, I have worked from the most prestigious 1102 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,080 Speaker 1: splits in the world. That was the executive chef at 1103 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:37,640 Speaker 1: montalkr Club, the exact chef Tower Cambay, the exactly chef 1104 00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:43,000 Speaker 1: Rich Carlton, the executive chef h Bridgewater Country Club, the 1105 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,640 Speaker 1: executive chefs Go Harbor Country Club, and now executive chef 1106 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,360 Speaker 1: the Murder Country Club. Okay now, and I love it. 1107 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,480 Speaker 1: I love it. See you know what I like about you? 1108 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,440 Speaker 1: You put your resume out there Okay, you know, you know, 1109 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,520 Speaker 1: it's like it's like, you know, it's like we're drawing 1110 00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,160 Speaker 1: down in the middle of the street in the old 1111 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,480 Speaker 1: western town. You know, we're staring each other back. You know, 1112 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,880 Speaker 1: you pull out of you pull out a plate, I 1113 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,440 Speaker 1: pull out of plate. You pull out a plate, I 1114 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,720 Speaker 1: pull out of plate. I can assure you I'm gonna 1115 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,040 Speaker 1: run out of plates talking to you, right, Okay, I'm 1116 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,240 Speaker 1: just let you know. Well, you know, so many is 1117 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,640 Speaker 1: a good experience talking to you. You have been, I've been, 1118 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,200 Speaker 1: I have. I am your number one saying I love 1119 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,959 Speaker 1: what you do. I haven't follow you, and I think 1120 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,000 Speaker 1: you're g mean. I think I can say some of 1121 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,600 Speaker 1: the things like this because of what you do. I 1122 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,439 Speaker 1: think you open so many dogs for me. And I'm 1123 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,960 Speaker 1: just happy to talk to you to connect it to you. Well, 1124 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,439 Speaker 1: we're gonna continuous relationship offline because of the fact that 1125 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's amazing how you look at people. And 1126 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,760 Speaker 1: I've watched you on TV and I just love your 1127 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,640 Speaker 1: energy and your direction and what you're doing with your 1128 01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,000 Speaker 1: career and your honesty and that and didn't know that 1129 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,320 Speaker 1: I had that type of effect in your life. And 1130 01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,720 Speaker 1: it's such a positive manner, and that's my life. My 1131 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,320 Speaker 1: life is about uplift. It's just I've been eighteen. I've 1132 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,240 Speaker 1: always for some reason, my DNA has always been how 1133 01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,400 Speaker 1: can I make somebody else life better? Because in the end, 1134 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 1: they're going to make my life better. And so that's 1135 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,959 Speaker 1: why I do money making conversations, not theory much. Thank 1136 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,360 Speaker 1: you for what you're saying about me, because that means 1137 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,880 Speaker 1: it is somebody's getting it, you know, and I get 1138 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,280 Speaker 1: it from a lot of people, and it makes me 1139 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,640 Speaker 1: feel good because it's free. I'm I convinced the talented 1140 01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,280 Speaker 1: person like you to come on my shoulder tell their 1141 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,320 Speaker 1: story because that story that you have can resonate success 1142 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,480 Speaker 1: for somebody else. Uh now, now let's talk about just 1143 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,880 Speaker 1: talk about you in general with this this cooking style 1144 01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,640 Speaker 1: of yours now, because I wanted people understand, Okay, you 1145 01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,960 Speaker 1: came from Haiti and I love Caribbean food. You jerk pork, 1146 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:43,959 Speaker 1: I tell you o festivals, I'm telling you me. See, 1147 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,440 Speaker 1: some people, some people do it right, some people do 1148 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,160 Speaker 1: it wrong. And you know what I'm talking about. Some 1149 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,400 Speaker 1: people commercialize it and so so because that's why it's 1150 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,000 Speaker 1: kind of hard to find some good jerk pork stayside 1151 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,320 Speaker 1: and and and they want to get the j chicken 1152 01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,160 Speaker 1: they want to get. But jerk pork is my man. 1153 01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,560 Speaker 1: That's me right out roun. I love me some jerk 1154 01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:08,120 Speaker 1: pork now, So tell me what exactly is cribbing style? Cookie? 1155 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,240 Speaker 1: Tell us about that? Well, I, you know, there's different 1156 01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,000 Speaker 1: part of the Caribbean. We take us our day to 1157 01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:21,200 Speaker 1: explain to my day Caribbean. As you know where I'm from. 1158 01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:28,439 Speaker 1: We were first Espaniola. After that we've been French. After 1159 01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:33,040 Speaker 1: that we became Americans. So first we were slaved from Africa. 1160 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,720 Speaker 1: So we take the African cuisine and we mix it 1161 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,680 Speaker 1: with Spanish and we create our own flair. So now 1162 01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,520 Speaker 1: you have African, you have Spanish, and you have French. 1163 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:53,760 Speaker 1: So this is so different. Confused, uh, coronate background uh 1164 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:59,560 Speaker 1: And it's there. Um, it's there. That's why I call 1165 01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:04,919 Speaker 1: it for Caribbean. As an African American, Chelf I would 1166 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,840 Speaker 1: bring the spice. I always bring the marinade this evening. 1167 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,840 Speaker 1: And that's what makes us different than anything. That's important. 1168 01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,520 Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the French accent that you bring 1169 01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:19,520 Speaker 1: to your food. Explain to us that about that as 1170 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,720 Speaker 1: you know, um, there have been an involvement about food. 1171 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:29,880 Speaker 1: You know, the topic your French cuisine, butter, it's sovere liquid, 1172 01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,560 Speaker 1: natigens it, stuff like that. But you know, working with 1173 01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:38,440 Speaker 1: any country club with everyone is very contiguous of the health. 1174 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,680 Speaker 1: So we have to take the body out of it. 1175 01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,760 Speaker 1: Well if we take the body out of it, so 1176 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,960 Speaker 1: we have to bring a Caribbean flavor, which is the marinade, 1177 01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:53,160 Speaker 1: the spice, herbs, the garlic, the charlotte, the times there 1178 01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,680 Speaker 1: was made, the green onion, this scratch, bonnet pepper. So 1179 01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,320 Speaker 1: even we don't use that much butter, but we take 1180 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:04,000 Speaker 1: that marrion, the flavor to bring the French Caribbean acts that. 1181 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,320 Speaker 1: This is how I for this difference. As you know, 1182 01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,840 Speaker 1: there's so many chefs. Everybody thinks we are the best self, 1183 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,280 Speaker 1: you know, but we all do. I think. Then let 1184 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,760 Speaker 1: me assue this because because because you're you're one of 1185 01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,440 Speaker 1: these top of the food chain chefs. Because if you're recognized, 1186 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,040 Speaker 1: you've been on TV, if you see the wards Incredible 1187 01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:31,200 Speaker 1: industry awards. Now okay, how if somebody is listening trying 1188 01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,080 Speaker 1: to not not make it to where you're getting, but 1189 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,000 Speaker 1: trying to get into the business what are some of 1190 01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:43,919 Speaker 1: the early steps that a person can do. Discipline, discipline, discipline, 1191 01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:51,720 Speaker 1: discipline and befu's a discipline discipline, focus, discipline focused, say 1192 01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:57,080 Speaker 1: true to yourself, keep learning and follow your cross because 1193 01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,400 Speaker 1: that's the only way. As you know, everyone think they're 1194 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,040 Speaker 1: gonna be on Network or Bravo cap Chef or Iron 1195 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,680 Speaker 1: Chef America on and then they forget about the step 1196 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,280 Speaker 1: to learn how to become a great shaft. Right. You 1197 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,160 Speaker 1: can be on TV making a fool of yourself, but 1198 01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,520 Speaker 1: a certain time you have to both to cook. You 1199 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:21,080 Speaker 1: cannot uh complaining, always looking for here, and you have 1200 01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:25,400 Speaker 1: to be better than anyone else. So this is one 1201 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:30,640 Speaker 1: of the first African American chef graduate from CIA nine seven. 1202 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:35,440 Speaker 1: His name is Jessicon Evans. When I was watching his 1203 01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,600 Speaker 1: some of his early career, he went to look for 1204 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:42,880 Speaker 1: a job and the white men told him, Jeff, I 1205 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,000 Speaker 1: will hire you. It's one thing I wanted to tell you. 1206 01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,720 Speaker 1: You have to do two time more than what these 1207 01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,840 Speaker 1: men can do for me to hide. So I always 1208 01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,560 Speaker 1: look at that I don't have to do more, I 1209 01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,640 Speaker 1: don't have to work harder than everyone else, but I'm 1210 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,920 Speaker 1: enjoyed doing it. But that's the only thing I know 1211 01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,720 Speaker 1: to do. To be the best. You gotta push every day. 1212 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,520 Speaker 1: You gotta practice, as you know, if you know how 1213 01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:10,480 Speaker 1: much Michael Jordan's practice, how much Kobe Bryant practice, if 1214 01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,080 Speaker 1: you look at Tom Brady, how much the practice you 1215 01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,040 Speaker 1: talked about practice tri to better and stay true to 1216 01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:20,080 Speaker 1: yourself and then have disciplines. It's all about discipline. Doesn't 1217 01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,920 Speaker 1: matter how good you are. But if you don't have discipline, 1218 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,160 Speaker 1: your fast. You know when I thank you that and 1219 01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,400 Speaker 1: you're absolutely true. You know. I look at people, they 1220 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,280 Speaker 1: look at my life and I get up at four 1221 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,000 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, and some people go, who that's 1222 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,800 Speaker 1: too early for me? Okay, I don't know what career 1223 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,840 Speaker 1: you're playing, but there there there has to be a 1224 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,200 Speaker 1: set time that you have to get up every day 1225 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,880 Speaker 1: to be successful. You can't get up at five one day, 1226 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,320 Speaker 1: and six one day and seven one day, or get 1227 01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,880 Speaker 1: up when the clock allows you up with no along clock. 1228 01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,560 Speaker 1: You have to have a set pattern. That's what you're 1229 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,760 Speaker 1: talking about focus, and that's when you're talking about hard 1230 01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:58,840 Speaker 1: work correct room. Yes, sir, yes, sir, I mean were 1231 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:03,160 Speaker 1: harder every day because nobody cares if you don't work hard. Yeah, 1232 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,040 Speaker 1: you can be an executive chef and people don't know 1233 01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,000 Speaker 1: when you're gonna come to work or don't know if 1234 01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna set the menu the day before, are gonna 1235 01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,880 Speaker 1: sample the mixture. Everybody's on point. There's a certain in leadership. 1236 01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,440 Speaker 1: Let's talk about that too, because you being an African 1237 01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:20,000 Speaker 1: American man and the mail and uh in this position 1238 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,200 Speaker 1: in America and then I'm not saying anything negative, but 1239 01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,200 Speaker 1: there your position is a rare position and you have 1240 01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:30,640 Speaker 1: to show leadership and diversity and also being able to 1241 01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,280 Speaker 1: accept any type of criticism. Talk about your role as 1242 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:39,840 Speaker 1: an executive chef at dominant white institutions so far in 1243 01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,200 Speaker 1: your life, talk about how you navigate that those those 1244 01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,600 Speaker 1: those those those those lanes to be successful and stay 1245 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:52,080 Speaker 1: at the top of the food chain. So to speak. Well, again, 1246 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,440 Speaker 1: I want to talk about discipline. You know, when I 1247 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,000 Speaker 1: have the first opportunity, when chef FRIENDO Cox give me 1248 01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:04,920 Speaker 1: an opportunity, or Adam salvage u U vibs out for Telly, 1249 01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,160 Speaker 1: when I do games were dinner. I don't think because 1250 01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,920 Speaker 1: I'm better than any chefs, but it's my discipline and 1251 01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,480 Speaker 1: some of the places I work and be able to 1252 01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,800 Speaker 1: manage plenty, to mandal for the beverage, be able to 1253 01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:22,880 Speaker 1: have naturally responsible, be able to cover anything is not 1254 01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,720 Speaker 1: better than any white shafts. And they all know that. 1255 01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:29,000 Speaker 1: And then to me, I told him, I'm chefs first 1256 01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,080 Speaker 1: and I'm African American second. I mean, some people get 1257 01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,720 Speaker 1: offended when I say that. I said, well, ef, I 1258 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,040 Speaker 1: was interview for a job. There's probably so many people 1259 01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,599 Speaker 1: who better than me, who could get it. But because 1260 01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:47,240 Speaker 1: I believe in myself, I have a traft circuit working 1261 01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:50,479 Speaker 1: at the Mantua Club to be in Hawaii, and the 1262 01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,559 Speaker 1: list goes on, and I think that gives me an 1263 01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:57,160 Speaker 1: opportunity to be different than everyone else, you know, And 1264 01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,360 Speaker 1: that's really important because of the fact that when I 1265 01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:00,960 Speaker 1: look at the town of the person like you and 1266 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,559 Speaker 1: a lot of people, because you make it look so easy, 1267 01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,040 Speaker 1: first of all wrong that that's that's a scary part 1268 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,080 Speaker 1: of it. When looking at the scaled person like Michael 1269 01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,080 Speaker 1: Jordan makes a dunk look easy. But you know God 1270 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:14,120 Speaker 1: gave him extra hops, extra hops, and the same thing 1271 01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:18,439 Speaker 1: because you mentioned you mentioned some incredible people. So when 1272 01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,679 Speaker 1: you when you get on these shows like the Bravo 1273 01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,760 Speaker 1: TV Top Show. First of all, tell me how did 1274 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:29,759 Speaker 1: you get on the show. Well, uh, in two thousand 1275 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,080 Speaker 1: and eight, I did it dinner. I did sold out 1276 01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,360 Speaker 1: dinner at James build Foundation in New York. It was 1277 01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,439 Speaker 1: something they've never seen. I'm this kid from Haiti who 1278 01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,880 Speaker 1: tried to do apple Caribbean cuisine when no one taught 1279 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,879 Speaker 1: I was speaking another language. I wasn't speaking another language, 1280 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,920 Speaker 1: but I was writing my heart and soul. I was 1281 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,439 Speaker 1: put it in a plate. It call about this season 1282 01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,240 Speaker 1: and tell about the marinades are but despite and if 1283 01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,880 Speaker 1: this is who I am, sometimes I wish I was. 1284 01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,360 Speaker 1: Someone asked, but I'm not. I'm just trying the prize. 1285 01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,120 Speaker 1: So after that, they were looking for some of the 1286 01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,840 Speaker 1: best chefs in America. As you know, yes, so you 1287 01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,879 Speaker 1: know I want that to be in records. Our season 1288 01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:13,920 Speaker 1: Top Chefts beat the Amazing Race first time in eighteen years. 1289 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,320 Speaker 1: This is how good this season is. The season was, 1290 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:23,120 Speaker 1: as you know, competing with the voltage your brothers. We lie, Uh, 1291 01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:30,920 Speaker 1: Michael Votago, Brad Vtao, extra actor actor from from from 1292 01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:35,920 Speaker 1: from from Atlanta, mckenoberia from friends and everyone asked, I 1293 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,880 Speaker 1: think this is that was an opportunity for a life time, 1294 01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,040 Speaker 1: something I would cherish for the rest of my life. 1295 01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,200 Speaker 1: As you know, I didn't know much about the show. 1296 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,200 Speaker 1: When they called me. I told the guy, now, I'm 1297 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,519 Speaker 1: not interested. I'm a batter chef. I haven't thinking for myself. 1298 01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,680 Speaker 1: I'm not interested about being the show, so you know, 1299 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,680 Speaker 1: and I did what I had to do. And I 1300 01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,000 Speaker 1: think we have opened so many dolls for me. I 1301 01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:01,040 Speaker 1: think what you would change your mind? Okay, you want interested? Okay, 1302 01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,800 Speaker 1: because you know you're bad boy. You you've got food 1303 01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,320 Speaker 1: anything anybody get on the show and people start judging you, 1304 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,559 Speaker 1: what change your mind? What's the opportunity to or expose 1305 01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,320 Speaker 1: your brand or your talents to a bigger audience would 1306 01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:17,280 Speaker 1: change your mind? What what changed? Mama? I always love 1307 01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:21,320 Speaker 1: to push the envelope, and uh I pushed it every 1308 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,720 Speaker 1: day and something gonna work, something not gonna work. And 1309 01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,120 Speaker 1: I learned from my mistake. I say, let's give it try. 1310 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,960 Speaker 1: If you work, you work. If it doesn't work, life 1311 01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,000 Speaker 1: will go down. Now will still the baddest shoft, But 1312 01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,880 Speaker 1: I think the on top cheft wasn't opposite of a 1313 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,600 Speaker 1: lifetime something I would cherish all the rest of my 1314 01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,080 Speaker 1: life to become calling them back for there, for the 1315 01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:45,400 Speaker 1: State Department to carry the fraumatic backform, to travel the world, 1316 01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,120 Speaker 1: to go in Italy with john't carry to talk about 1317 01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,720 Speaker 1: American food. I don't think if I wasn't a top 1318 01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:54,280 Speaker 1: cheft I was able to do that. Wow. Wow, you're 1319 01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,920 Speaker 1: listening to money making conversations with Rashan McDonald. We'll be 1320 01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,639 Speaker 1: right back. 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So if 1346 01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:21,960 Speaker 1: one hesitant hesitates about the opportunity because they feel uncomfortable 1347 01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,799 Speaker 1: or they feel that it's not right from them, sometimes 1348 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,080 Speaker 1: it's best served to go and pursue that opportunity because 1349 01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:32,320 Speaker 1: like you said, it opened doors for you. Yes, yes, 1350 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,400 Speaker 1: you know. Life is not about the opportunities. Pursue the 1351 01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:41,439 Speaker 1: opportunity to do better. I think, uh, give me a voice. 1352 01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,479 Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, it's the opportunity I have 1353 01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,960 Speaker 1: to be able to be a head light keynote speaker 1354 01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,080 Speaker 1: out of vang Or to have the brain called me. 1355 01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,160 Speaker 1: I would love you to be in the basket for 1356 01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,840 Speaker 1: this company. I don't think I will ever have doctor 1357 01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,360 Speaker 1: about people. I wasn't on the top Shop. That's awesome. 1358 01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,200 Speaker 1: Now now this personality here that that just kind of 1359 01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:07,000 Speaker 1: like feels the screen. Uh what what what the resident? 1360 01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:08,840 Speaker 1: What did that? What did that? What did that? Fun 1361 01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:13,600 Speaker 1: that that dynamic, that brilliant smile? Where did that come from? This? 1362 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,720 Speaker 1: Because that's really what what sails me because when you 1363 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,519 Speaker 1: when you put a plate down and you smile wrong, 1364 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,200 Speaker 1: I wish I was standing next year because I knocked 1365 01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,479 Speaker 1: you out the way. Start eating because that's what you do. 1366 01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,360 Speaker 1: Like I said, you put it down to be eating. 1367 01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:32,800 Speaker 1: So what did that? What did that whole personality come from? 1368 01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:34,960 Speaker 1: You have to believe every day as a last day 1369 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,559 Speaker 1: because tomorrow is not guaranteed. As you know what's going 1370 01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,639 Speaker 1: on right now in America. We have to cherish each 1371 01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:45,120 Speaker 1: other because nobody's gonna hinder anything. And you have to 1372 01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:48,559 Speaker 1: do it with this smile. That's how I shall Yeah, 1373 01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm talking to chef Rond Pratt. In twin and eight teen, 1374 01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,400 Speaker 1: he was named Industry Chef of the Year. If its 1375 01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,280 Speaker 1: name sounds familiar, it should be. Currently, he's the food 1376 01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,719 Speaker 1: and Beverage Director executive chef at Emoridal Golfing Country Club 1377 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,280 Speaker 1: and Amarillo, Texas. He first game recognition when we saw 1378 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,240 Speaker 1: him on Bravo's Top Chef and it's been opening doors 1379 01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,040 Speaker 1: every ever since. Now, you mentioned something about what's going 1380 01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,200 Speaker 1: on in the country right now, and what's going on 1381 01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,080 Speaker 1: in the country right now is COVID ninteen, and COVID 1382 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:18,559 Speaker 1: ninteen is overtly affecting people of color, African Americans. What 1383 01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,439 Speaker 1: is your what is your take on this and what 1384 01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:23,760 Speaker 1: role are you trying to play the hip US out 1385 01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:29,200 Speaker 1: run well. I think there's more than COVID nineteen hopkining 1386 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:33,280 Speaker 1: right now in America. We can disagree on that, we 1387 01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,360 Speaker 1: can agree to disagree. I think the COVID nineteen is 1388 01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,000 Speaker 1: one of the things happening, Like if you look at 1389 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:43,280 Speaker 1: all the racial tension, the Black lives matter, I think 1390 01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:48,000 Speaker 1: this is bigger problem. Understand, two hundred people died from 1391 01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:55,040 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, but there's more people's suffer, suffer by polite 1392 01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,760 Speaker 1: in justice, so many things. I think it's more than 1393 01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:03,200 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen happened right now, I think, um, it is 1394 01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,960 Speaker 1: time for everyone what it is me you to talk about, 1395 01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,360 Speaker 1: love to talk about. Let's get together, let's break red 1396 01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,840 Speaker 1: and for the COVID nine team, let's follow the CDC guideline. 1397 01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:20,360 Speaker 1: Let's watch our hands and let's wear and let's be respectful. Now. 1398 01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm not going to disagree with you, Ron, okay, because 1399 01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:29,040 Speaker 1: I am at the forefront of trying to create remedies, 1400 01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,439 Speaker 1: trying to create solutions, trying to understand that there are 1401 01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:35,000 Speaker 1: CDC guidelines that must be followed because I have to 1402 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,280 Speaker 1: protect you and you have to protect me. We're family, 1403 01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,879 Speaker 1: you know, we're you know, we're all all in this together. 1404 01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,400 Speaker 1: And nobody's playing games out there, and they're unfortunate. People 1405 01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,960 Speaker 1: are playing games with that now in your in your kitchen. Now, 1406 01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,400 Speaker 1: when the pandemic hit and the country shut down, how 1407 01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,120 Speaker 1: did that affect your business? How did that affect where 1408 01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,839 Speaker 1: you work, at your working atmosphere? And how did you reopen? 1409 01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:04,719 Speaker 1: Were you opening by became scientists by sorrow? Dr FAXI, 1410 01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,599 Speaker 1: but make sure we clean, we clean, we clean, and 1411 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,760 Speaker 1: we clean again. We take temperature of all our employees. 1412 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,840 Speaker 1: We make sure the all distance things. Of course, we 1413 01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,280 Speaker 1: have to spend more money to make less because now 1414 01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:23,719 Speaker 1: we need more employees to do more and to serve 1415 01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,720 Speaker 1: less people. As you know, most people want to do 1416 01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:31,960 Speaker 1: take out. So I think it's that's a great scenario 1417 01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,120 Speaker 1: where some people can afford to do it. Some people 1418 01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:39,960 Speaker 1: may not effort to do as you know um with 1419 01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:46,200 Speaker 1: the six speed table that cannot afford to pay the bills. 1420 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,040 Speaker 1: So we all have to go back to the drawing, 1421 01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:54,040 Speaker 1: but to see how can we be become innovated to 1422 01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:57,639 Speaker 1: make sure everyone is happy while we take care members, 1423 01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,880 Speaker 1: I guess and make sure I imploy. Is a sect 1424 01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:06,559 Speaker 1: and we are not doctors. We are shots, absolutely, but 1425 01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,240 Speaker 1: you're affecting you know, my life, my life when I 1426 01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:13,080 Speaker 1: come in there and somebody gets food, and building trust 1427 01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,120 Speaker 1: that they can come to your place and eat and 1428 01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,200 Speaker 1: and and and and take your food to go and 1429 01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,080 Speaker 1: things like that. That's what we're talking about, right and 1430 01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,120 Speaker 1: building trust in a meal now a meal that's not 1431 01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:27,840 Speaker 1: made at home. And so so what obstacles you know, 1432 01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,320 Speaker 1: we we we can't fix something over not because we 1433 01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,080 Speaker 1: all know COVID nineteen it's not going anywhere. It's gonna 1434 01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,640 Speaker 1: be there they're get a vaccine, but we're always be 1435 01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,920 Speaker 1: taking the vaccine because it's a an incredible virus is 1436 01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,960 Speaker 1: coming to our lives. That's overtly affecting people of color 1437 01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:46,560 Speaker 1: and African Americans and people who are who are presisting conditions. 1438 01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,200 Speaker 1: Ninety four percent of the people who've died from COVID 1439 01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,479 Speaker 1: nineteen have had pre existing medical conditions. A lot of 1440 01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,200 Speaker 1: people don't know that. And so when I when I 1441 01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,040 Speaker 1: when I when, I rather off this information. Like you said, Rashan, 1442 01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,400 Speaker 1: this is COVID nineteen maybe happening. But we've always had 1443 01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:05,000 Speaker 1: heart disease. We've always had cancer, we've always had stroke, 1444 01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,400 Speaker 1: we've always had high blood question, we've always had diabetes. 1445 01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:12,800 Speaker 1: This is just magnifying it. So if I'm hearing you 1446 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,800 Speaker 1: correct Rong, in some such situations, we need to look 1447 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,320 Speaker 1: at the problems before COVID, a team came and fix 1448 01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:24,519 Speaker 1: those problems. Two. Well, I agree with you. As you know, 1449 01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:29,280 Speaker 1: I'm starting a movement called mind Food, Eating for my 1450 01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:34,400 Speaker 1: beloved community. My foot is eating for my beloved community. 1451 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,599 Speaker 1: It's gonna be an action where me you, we all 1452 01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,240 Speaker 1: sit down at the table and said what can we do? 1453 01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:45,280 Speaker 1: We all we are not in the same financial bracket. 1454 01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,800 Speaker 1: But what can we do for everyone can have access 1455 01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:54,120 Speaker 1: to healthy food. Everyone can, but access to vegetables, to fruit, 1456 01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,080 Speaker 1: to stuff. Right that, what can we do? Uh? This 1457 01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,120 Speaker 1: is a conversation some people afraid to have, but I 1458 01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,200 Speaker 1: am willing to have that conversation for anyone, whether they 1459 01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,360 Speaker 1: wan't listening or now. Well, it was interesting because of 1460 01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,200 Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen. For the first time, I had a 1461 01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,800 Speaker 1: garden at my house. You know, I did the tomatoes, 1462 01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:18,080 Speaker 1: I did peppers, I did okraw, I did a sage 1463 01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:22,479 Speaker 1: and um um. And also I did uh how I 1464 01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:25,320 Speaker 1: did hallalpeen your peppers? And I did uh cool peppers 1465 01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:30,320 Speaker 1: as well, and so and so. I was amazed at 1466 01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:35,160 Speaker 1: how easy it was. Wrong, and the return on my 1467 01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:39,720 Speaker 1: investment was ridiculous. I can't I had tomatoes after tomatoes. 1468 01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,679 Speaker 1: I must have. I had three tomato plans. I must 1469 01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,439 Speaker 1: have gotten a hundred tomatoes. Offer that tomato plan, those 1470 01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:49,320 Speaker 1: three tomato plans. That's correct, And it tastes different, and 1471 01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:54,360 Speaker 1: it tastes different, Yes, sir, yes, sir. Well guess what 1472 01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,960 Speaker 1: if you can use that to tell me to just 1473 01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:02,160 Speaker 1: some other people, to I guarantee that one would be 1474 01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,240 Speaker 1: a better place. Well, I'm gonna tell you this wrong. 1475 01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,400 Speaker 1: I'm in your fan club right now, so you know, 1476 01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,080 Speaker 1: off this call, I'm gonna give you my shaft all 1477 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:12,800 Speaker 1: that stuff so we can communicate. Plus, I want to 1478 01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:16,200 Speaker 1: build a relationship with you and uh because of thinking 1479 01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,200 Speaker 1: about it is that we're like minded and what we're 1480 01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,439 Speaker 1: trying to do and what we're trying to accomplish in 1481 01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:22,400 Speaker 1: our life. Plus I want to if you, I want 1482 01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,000 Speaker 1: to post some of your videos on my on my 1483 01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,960 Speaker 1: Facebook page so I can just tell it's my bar 1484 01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,000 Speaker 1: right here, you know, checking my he's he's a bad 1485 01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,600 Speaker 1: boy for Texas. He's just like me. He's just in 1486 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,840 Speaker 1: the pan He's in the pan Hamlet. He's in the 1487 01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,040 Speaker 1: pan Amlets. That's high pan Hammlet. That's well yet And 1488 01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,120 Speaker 1: I am a real Texas not it's hot over that 1489 01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,920 Speaker 1: they don't name it after a little a little animal 1490 01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,320 Speaker 1: for nothing that you knock your car off the road 1491 01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,000 Speaker 1: if you hit it. Real is a bad back. And 1492 01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,320 Speaker 1: so with that being said, what what's your goals? What 1493 01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,519 Speaker 1: are your moving step? You know, because we're gonna talk, 1494 01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,479 Speaker 1: we're gonna share our information. What's your goals in general? 1495 01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,200 Speaker 1: For your brand run and what you're trying to do 1496 01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:02,240 Speaker 1: for the people will try to do the people. Let's 1497 01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:08,719 Speaker 1: re group, let's stop divided, let's love when order, Let's 1498 01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,040 Speaker 1: be each other's brothers keeper. Let's see what we can 1499 01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:17,840 Speaker 1: do to have uh it's better America. And then make 1500 01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,760 Speaker 1: sure everyone. I don't care who you vote for, but 1501 01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:28,960 Speaker 1: please vote, because your vote have it. I think we 1502 01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:34,680 Speaker 1: have a price to play right now. I remember I 1503 01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,040 Speaker 1: had a debate with some of my friends who are 1504 01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,879 Speaker 1: telling me Harry did we will never vote for Harry. 1505 01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:46,240 Speaker 1: And the list goes on the past few weeks, our courstomer, 1506 01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:50,200 Speaker 1: the same friends. I said, Okay, you Ebert, some of 1507 01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:54,519 Speaker 1: this conversation who was having in you see what happened 1508 01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:58,000 Speaker 1: tonight is because of people like you. I still love you, 1509 01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:02,960 Speaker 1: but we are with the decently. So I'm hoping if 1510 01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,439 Speaker 1: we weren't getting vote. You vote for whoever you vote for, 1511 01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:12,519 Speaker 1: but you're an American. Your vote can make it different. 1512 01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:17,920 Speaker 1: Your vote came from you to rive. Wow, you know 1513 01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:22,600 Speaker 1: some chef. I so appreciate what you just said, because, um, 1514 01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,360 Speaker 1: it takes more than the one voice to make a change. 1515 01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,320 Speaker 1: It takes a collective. It takes like minded. It takes 1516 01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,320 Speaker 1: a clear understanding that you know, we got um what 1517 01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna cross over twoion thousand people uh dying from 1518 01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:38,360 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. We have wildfires on the West coast, hurricanes 1519 01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,040 Speaker 1: banging the the South, and you have civil unrest and 1520 01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:45,360 Speaker 1: every major city in this country. And if your vote 1521 01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,280 Speaker 1: has to count now and we have to step out 1522 01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,920 Speaker 1: of that, I don't know or I step in and 1523 01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,479 Speaker 1: know it don't. Yes, it does, and it only counts 1524 01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,479 Speaker 1: if you make an effort. And that's what your whole 1525 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,600 Speaker 1: that's what this whole interview has been about. When I 1526 01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,200 Speaker 1: look at listen to what you just said. It's about 1527 01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:03,200 Speaker 1: being focused, working hard, and being determined to succeed against 1528 01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,759 Speaker 1: all odds. And that's all you. That's your whole career, 1529 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,439 Speaker 1: that's your whole life right wrong, Yes, sir, And that's 1530 01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:12,240 Speaker 1: the only thing I know. Wow, I want to thank 1531 01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:13,920 Speaker 1: you for coming on my show because we're and you 1532 01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:18,400 Speaker 1: are good buddies. Now we're friends, free friends. I can't wait. 1533 01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,360 Speaker 1: We were gonna do it. We're gonna do it. Not 1534 01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,040 Speaker 1: my wife, you know, she won't let me get on 1535 01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,360 Speaker 1: the plane right now. She said, she know she's scared 1536 01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,479 Speaker 1: about this COVID nineteen that said, baby, we gotta get 1537 01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,439 Speaker 1: out there and live live our lives. And I got 1538 01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:35,000 Speaker 1: my mask, got my parrel, I got, I got, I 1539 01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,680 Speaker 1: got everything I need and so we will see each 1540 01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:39,960 Speaker 1: other pretty soon because she can't keep me locked down. 1541 01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:43,120 Speaker 1: One thing I know is that life is about taking chances. 1542 01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:46,040 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying risky chances. I'm I just know 1543 01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,880 Speaker 1: that COVID ninteen is a lifestyle that we have to 1544 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,240 Speaker 1: learn to live with as a new normal. We have 1545 01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,720 Speaker 1: to be safe. We can't hug each other like we 1546 01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:55,680 Speaker 1: used to. We can't high five like we used to, 1547 01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,559 Speaker 1: we can't talking close quarters like we used to. But 1548 01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:00,800 Speaker 1: we can't live a very s of all of our 1549 01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,519 Speaker 1: stable lifestyle. But more importantly, to make this lifestyle work 1550 01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,960 Speaker 1: for us in the future, like you said, Ron, we 1551 01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:12,640 Speaker 1: have to vote. We have to thank you, thank you. 1552 01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,320 Speaker 1: I want thank you for coming to my show. Ron. Uh, 1553 01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:17,080 Speaker 1: just hang on right there and close out the show. 1554 01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,280 Speaker 1: I want to get your phone number and you're from 1555 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,400 Speaker 1: you give you my cell number. Okay, Hi, this is 1556 01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,200 Speaker 1: Roshan McDonald. I want to thank everybody for coming on 1557 01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:25,960 Speaker 1: my show and also if you want to hear any 1558 01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:29,559 Speaker 1: more money Making Conversation interviews, please go to money Making 1559 01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:34,720 Speaker 1: Conversation dot com. I'm Rashan McDonald. I'm the host. We'll 1560 01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,759 Speaker 1: be right back with more from Massa McDonald and Moneymaking 1561 01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:41,760 Speaker 1: Conversations don't touch that down. Oregon donations save lives and 1562 01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,240 Speaker 1: some organs can even be donated by a living donor. 1563 01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,760 Speaker 1: August's National Minority Donor Awareness Months. 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For more information, visit n M 1576 01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:38,560 Speaker 1: dot org, Slash Radio. Hi, I'm Rashan McDonald, host of 1577 01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,679 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations dot com. The Cafe Moca Swag Award 1578 01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,760 Speaker 1: is a celebration of black man who are making a 1579 01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,760 Speaker 1: difference in our community by empowering others to reach their 1580 01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:51,160 Speaker 1: life goes from civically. There's businessmen, activists, celebrities and everyday days. 1581 01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:53,679 Speaker 1: The Kafe Moca Swag Award one of this week years. 1582 01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,360 Speaker 1: Mark Lennon at The Mark was inspired by video features 1583 01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,679 Speaker 1: Steve Harvey. He decided to follow his passion and started baking. 1584 01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,799 Speaker 1: He took that passion and started his business, Brother Bakes. 1585 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,200 Speaker 1: Brother Bakes is an online bakery based out of Houston, Texas. 1586 01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,680 Speaker 1: He specializes in cakes in the jar that can be 1587 01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,280 Speaker 1: shipped all over the country. I just want to say 1588 01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:14,519 Speaker 1: that people go for it. You know. I talked to 1589 01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,679 Speaker 1: people all the time and they they're always talking about 1590 01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,240 Speaker 1: how you did it. I just went for it. Everybody 1591 01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,160 Speaker 1: has a dream. You're currently not doing your dream, so 1592 01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:24,599 Speaker 1: why not give it a try. If it works out, great, 1593 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:26,840 Speaker 1: I mean if it doesn't, then you're still not living 1594 01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,479 Speaker 1: your dream. But if it does happen and then it 1595 01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,880 Speaker 1: changes your life. The Cafe Marchaswag Award represents men who 1596 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:36,280 Speaker 1: have strength, whose wisdom is assertive, and who is genuine 1597 01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:39,240 Speaker 1: in their spirit. Welcome back to money making Conversations. I'm 1598 01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:42,799 Speaker 1: your host, Sean McDonald. My next guest are Dina Marteau 1599 01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:46,439 Speaker 1: That's Winning, Oh and Courtney Rhodes. They co founded in 1600 01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:50,400 Speaker 1: That's this year, the Year of the pandemic ce Indeed. 1601 01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,559 Speaker 1: The agency is at all women lead management agency that 1602 01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,680 Speaker 1: provides marketing, branding, public and media relations services along with 1603 01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:01,599 Speaker 1: project talent and operations. Man there's been specializing in business 1604 01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:05,120 Speaker 1: and entertainment. The mission is to empower, which is important, 1605 01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:09,240 Speaker 1: mentor and lead businesswomen to collaborate together and increase opportunity 1606 01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:13,759 Speaker 1: for minority women's Dina is a seasoned entrepreneur, having shadowed 1607 01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,800 Speaker 1: gender and ethnic glass ceilings during her nearly twenty years 1608 01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,439 Speaker 1: as a music executive and small business owner. Dinus is 1609 01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,960 Speaker 1: on Dinas on the management team for a Superstar My 1610 01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,760 Speaker 1: Man t I and helped launched his popular podcast which 1611 01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:30,040 Speaker 1: became number one on Apple Podcast. Courtney Roads, who I 1612 01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,200 Speaker 1: know from Tampa, when Steve Harbory and I was down 1613 01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,519 Speaker 1: there launching I Wanted Our affiliate Radio Stations is a 1614 01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:39,160 Speaker 1: branding and marketing expert for twenty plus years. She has 1615 01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:43,400 Speaker 1: worked with multimillion dollar businesses and getting their marketing message, scene, heard, 1616 01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:47,920 Speaker 1: and experience across television, radio, magazines, e commerce, digital and 1617 01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:51,919 Speaker 1: social media platform She's placed over one hundred million dollars 1618 01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:58,080 Speaker 1: in advertising dollars across television, radio, digital, social and outdoor media. 1619 01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,360 Speaker 1: Leadies and done with introducection like that, this is a 1620 01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:05,360 Speaker 1: money making conversation. Please work with the money making conversations. 1621 01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:13,400 Speaker 1: Dina Martau and Courtney Rose, Ladies, Hey, that was amazing. Well, 1622 01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,280 Speaker 1: you know, first of all, thank you for coming on 1623 01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:19,600 Speaker 1: the show. And you know, because of the fact that, uh, 1624 01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,519 Speaker 1: I'm doing this show about going over like three years 1625 01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:26,920 Speaker 1: and and uh I want to write you by the Star. 1626 01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:30,120 Speaker 1: Bought a building in Atlanta here Peachtree. It's gonna I'm 1627 01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:33,200 Speaker 1: building out a broadcast studio. So my next interview with 1628 01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,519 Speaker 1: you guys hopefully being stupid studio, it's a COVID friendly studio. 1629 01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,719 Speaker 1: And I bring that to your attention because you guys 1630 01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:42,240 Speaker 1: are I'd like to say the word movers and shakers 1631 01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:46,960 Speaker 1: and y'all, y'all, y'all venture and y'all y'all see can 1632 01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:51,479 Speaker 1: I say they used the word visionary without being offensive. Okay, cool, 1633 01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,080 Speaker 1: let's stop. Let's start with the top disionary in my 1634 01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,560 Speaker 1: in my screen here, Ms Courtney. I met you in 1635 01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,400 Speaker 1: Tampa a long time ago doing sales, so I can 1636 01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:03,719 Speaker 1: verify when you say that you did sales, you did sales. 1637 01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,400 Speaker 1: And you know when you when you go to these 1638 01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:10,360 Speaker 1: affiliate markets, there's always an opportunity to be able to 1639 01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,719 Speaker 1: sell your brand and people have to understand your brand. 1640 01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,120 Speaker 1: And Steve Harvey was we will growing Brain, not the 1641 01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,240 Speaker 1: brand that he is today, but you were a recognizable brand, 1642 01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,559 Speaker 1: and I was like the guy who was like, you 1643 01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,200 Speaker 1: talked to me, You talked to Steve to get the 1644 01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,040 Speaker 1: business deals done. How do you look at a business 1645 01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:29,559 Speaker 1: deal and a business opportunity? Um, So I kind of 1646 01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:33,240 Speaker 1: just again look at everything as an opportunity and as 1647 01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,840 Speaker 1: a person who can bring solutions to whatever marketing or 1648 01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:42,479 Speaker 1: business challenge that whoever I'm sitting in front, you know, 1649 01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,479 Speaker 1: whatever they have, you know, someone's gonna come to us 1650 01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:48,160 Speaker 1: because there's a challenge, they need help to do something. 1651 01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:50,880 Speaker 1: And so for me, I look at it as what 1652 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,200 Speaker 1: solution can I provide with the expertise that I have 1653 01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,800 Speaker 1: the experiences or the connections or network that I have, 1654 01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,320 Speaker 1: how just to be solutions oriented? Did my approach? You 1655 01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:02,720 Speaker 1: know when I was listening to that, when I was 1656 01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:05,280 Speaker 1: reading each one of your bios, and this is this 1657 01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:06,800 Speaker 1: is kind of like you each are kind of like 1658 01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,240 Speaker 1: a version of me, because you know you seriously, you know, 1659 01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:12,639 Speaker 1: because I got turned to Dina because now she's dealing 1660 01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:14,479 Speaker 1: with she deals with talent a lot. You know, I 1661 01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:17,200 Speaker 1: didn't see that on your bio. You know you you 1662 01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,280 Speaker 1: you're a person that, like I did a lot of 1663 01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:22,439 Speaker 1: a lot large Cale's concert promotions. I'm always out there, 1664 01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:26,360 Speaker 1: so cars on through media, so Hamburger through media. That's 1665 01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,680 Speaker 1: kind of like you. And then on the on the 1666 01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:34,360 Speaker 1: talent management side, high profile, high energize um know what 1667 01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,360 Speaker 1: they want to do. Sometimes they don't do it right. 1668 01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:38,760 Speaker 1: But you gotta be there to mediate and also have 1669 01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,679 Speaker 1: to be very smart but very quiet. Sometimes. I also 1670 01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,559 Speaker 1: have to know all the answers. Even Steve Harvey wants 1671 01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,479 Speaker 1: told me said reach out. You think you know everything? 1672 01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,559 Speaker 1: I said, yes, I do. So I could not tell 1673 01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:52,160 Speaker 1: him I don't because what does what purposes that serve? 1674 01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:54,080 Speaker 1: And so Dina, I have to look at you as 1675 01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,599 Speaker 1: a person who knows everything because you did with talent. Well, 1676 01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:59,640 Speaker 1: I think about it. If I don't know it, I 1677 01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:03,800 Speaker 1: will definitely, I will definitely figure it out. That's the 1678 01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:06,200 Speaker 1: key to that, because you you have to know what 1679 01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, and you have to know what you don't know, 1680 01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:10,320 Speaker 1: and you have to know how to figure it out 1681 01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:13,680 Speaker 1: from there. That's important. And when you when you say that, 1682 01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:19,160 Speaker 1: because we're talking about two successful females, okay, and and 1683 01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,200 Speaker 1: let's just put it real. You know a lot of 1684 01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,920 Speaker 1: times women are because they are attractive, and you are 1685 01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,640 Speaker 1: two attractive women. Sometimes people hear you, but they just 1686 01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:30,599 Speaker 1: see you. How do you overcome that? Obviously, gonna start 1687 01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,160 Speaker 1: with you know, just wrapped you just responded, how do 1688 01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:37,439 Speaker 1: you overcome that? That's a good point. Um, I would 1689 01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:41,200 Speaker 1: say that you have to really stay consistent and persistent 1690 01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:45,720 Speaker 1: with your work ethic. And I think once somebody realizes 1691 01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:47,920 Speaker 1: that you're an asset to the team, that you bring 1692 01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,439 Speaker 1: value and that you're smart and you should be around, 1693 01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:55,360 Speaker 1: they look past the beauty and they start really wanting 1694 01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:58,240 Speaker 1: wanting to work with you based on your skill set 1695 01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:00,280 Speaker 1: and what you can bring to the table. So I 1696 01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:03,599 Speaker 1: just the way I've done it in a male dominated industry. 1697 01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:07,800 Speaker 1: Is just maintained my respect and earned my respect by 1698 01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:11,519 Speaker 1: doing the work and doing it well and having to 1699 01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,200 Speaker 1: do it a lot of times better than my male counterparts. 1700 01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:18,960 Speaker 1: You do and that's but this is like I said, oh, 1701 01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, cording to couldn't say this. You know, as 1702 01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,720 Speaker 1: a minority sometimes as often said that, we said we 1703 01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,479 Speaker 1: have to be two times or three times better than 1704 01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,000 Speaker 1: the white person to get the respect and still get 1705 01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,240 Speaker 1: a check. They're smaller than them. And that's kind of 1706 01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:36,160 Speaker 1: frustrating because it's actually true. And so from a sales standpoint, coordinate, 1707 01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:37,960 Speaker 1: you've had to deal with that. First of all, sales 1708 01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,800 Speaker 1: are generally a male dominated lane. And then you down 1709 01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:44,040 Speaker 1: in Tampa, which is the tip of Florida. So when 1710 01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,720 Speaker 1: I met you, you were successful, you were vibrant. You 1711 01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:49,680 Speaker 1: you have my attention, and because you knew what you 1712 01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:51,639 Speaker 1: wanted to do. Maybe because I grew up with six sisters, 1713 01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:54,280 Speaker 1: so I always had a respect for knowledge that came 1714 01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:56,640 Speaker 1: out of women, came to that came from women when 1715 01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:58,880 Speaker 1: they spoke to me. So what are some of the 1716 01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:02,720 Speaker 1: mysteries all the walls that you have to climb as 1717 01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:04,960 Speaker 1: a female, Because we're gonna get to the agency, because 1718 01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,240 Speaker 1: that's important that I said, who you guys up before 1719 01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:11,320 Speaker 1: we start talking about this agency, Courtney. So so I 1720 01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:15,120 Speaker 1: think for me it's always been about making sure that 1721 01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:19,120 Speaker 1: I am heard and and that I can bring value 1722 01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,679 Speaker 1: to the table. Rather it was with clear channel, which 1723 01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,120 Speaker 1: is what it was when we met, or through the 1724 01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,680 Speaker 1: work that I do today. And to piggyback on what 1725 01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:33,120 Speaker 1: Dina said, you just you have to always learn, especially 1726 01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:37,080 Speaker 1: in the male dominated industry, to listen, listen, listen, because 1727 01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:40,759 Speaker 1: I think just men and women naturally have a different 1728 01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:45,439 Speaker 1: way of communicating. And not to be stereotypical, but men 1729 01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:50,080 Speaker 1: are sometimes more aggressive, more comfortable in confrontational roles. And 1730 01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:52,840 Speaker 1: for me, it was just about listening and always coming 1731 01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,759 Speaker 1: back to the table with the solution with the result 1732 01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:59,400 Speaker 1: kind of staying keeping my little balance self and you know, 1733 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,840 Speaker 1: conversations with the guys and agreeing and and just positioning. 1734 01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:05,320 Speaker 1: You know a lot of times I would just listen 1735 01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,760 Speaker 1: in the beginning, especially when I was in Tampa, I 1736 01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:10,479 Speaker 1: was the only female and the management team, um, and 1737 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, meetings could get crazy and egos to get 1738 01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:17,160 Speaker 1: in the way, and you listen, you you know, agree 1739 01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:20,479 Speaker 1: where you agree, but then you circle back around and say, hey, guys, 1740 01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:22,200 Speaker 1: have you thought about it like this? I think that's 1741 01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:24,000 Speaker 1: amazing the way you want to do it. Maybe we 1742 01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:26,320 Speaker 1: can add this, we can add that, and just kind 1743 01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:29,439 Speaker 1: of be supportive at first, and that allows you to 1744 01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,160 Speaker 1: get your voice heard, That allows you to get your 1745 01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, your perspective out there. And then when you 1746 01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:38,800 Speaker 1: consistently do that, then the guys again, it just you 1747 01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:41,479 Speaker 1: just become a part of the team and they come 1748 01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:44,280 Speaker 1: to you for that expertise because you're you're able to 1749 01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:47,160 Speaker 1: actually bring I think a better balance of energy to 1750 01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:49,719 Speaker 1: the table and kind of pull things down a little 1751 01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:52,680 Speaker 1: bit and still, um, you can still be heard. Just 1752 01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,479 Speaker 1: my approach has always kind of been a little different 1753 01:35:55,560 --> 01:36:01,120 Speaker 1: in how I'm heart and when I was gonna say, 1754 01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,960 Speaker 1: being honest with your clients as well is really important 1755 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:05,720 Speaker 1: because a lot of times, when you're dealing with some 1756 01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:09,880 Speaker 1: high profile people, people are afraid to be honest with 1757 01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:13,160 Speaker 1: them as as people on their team. And I think 1758 01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:16,040 Speaker 1: that my clients would say that I'm always honest whether 1759 01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,000 Speaker 1: you want to do it or not, and whether I 1760 01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:20,519 Speaker 1: agree or not, I'm gonna give you my perspective and 1761 01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:24,760 Speaker 1: still support you on that is. I think the key 1762 01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,200 Speaker 1: to a lot of high profile people staying out of 1763 01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:30,240 Speaker 1: trouble is by being honest, by being a person who 1764 01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:33,479 Speaker 1: says I don't think that's a good idea, and because 1765 01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:36,600 Speaker 1: the not saying it means that you should have said it. 1766 01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:38,560 Speaker 1: And so when I look at when I listened to 1767 01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:41,639 Speaker 1: a Coordinate and Dina, how did you guys get together 1768 01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:44,920 Speaker 1: to form to see a d okay? I got I 1769 01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:48,120 Speaker 1: know about your Brandina Coordinate. I'm aware of your brand 1770 01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:51,120 Speaker 1: from past history. How did you two ladies, because you're 1771 01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:54,840 Speaker 1: coming from different different landscapes, even though according to your 1772 01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:58,920 Speaker 1: planning music from a standpoint at a radio station tied 1773 01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:01,800 Speaker 1: to clear channel, which is heart media. And do you 1774 01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:03,800 Speaker 1: know you know you came from record labels as well 1775 01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:07,400 Speaker 1: and moved into talent management. So I feel a sense 1776 01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:12,400 Speaker 1: of the cross But how did you guys come together? Well, 1777 01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:14,679 Speaker 1: here's the thing. We have been friends for a long time, 1778 01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:17,240 Speaker 1: and we've actually worked on projects in the past together 1779 01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:21,200 Speaker 1: here and there. We've always talked about doing something together. 1780 01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:24,599 Speaker 1: And when we had to sit down for a second 1781 01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:28,640 Speaker 1: during this pandemic and and just had a moment to 1782 01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:31,240 Speaker 1: look around and see what was going on, we felt 1783 01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,439 Speaker 1: like it was the appropriate time because we had a 1784 01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:37,360 Speaker 1: time to focus in and and know what was really needed. 1785 01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:40,200 Speaker 1: I think the I think being united is needed more 1786 01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:43,880 Speaker 1: than ever right now, especially with women, and so we 1787 01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:47,760 Speaker 1: decided to just go for it. And the best part 1788 01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,640 Speaker 1: about it is that Courtney is an expert in her 1789 01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:53,880 Speaker 1: world with marketing and branding and pr and I'm an 1790 01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,639 Speaker 1: expert in my world on the management side with talent 1791 01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:00,320 Speaker 1: and project management and operations. So we're just come finding 1792 01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:04,120 Speaker 1: forces and being more powerful. Together. We could easily be 1793 01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:06,960 Speaker 1: successful continue to be successful on our own and our 1794 01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:10,040 Speaker 1: individual journeys. But the most important thing here is that 1795 01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:13,719 Speaker 1: we both believe that our greater purpose is to mentor 1796 01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:18,519 Speaker 1: and lead the next generation of women leaders. And that's 1797 01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:22,639 Speaker 1: important that you know, um when you say that, which 1798 01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:26,840 Speaker 1: is very powerful. And you started your business doing the pandemic, okay, 1799 01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:31,120 Speaker 1: launched it, and I basically I bought a building during 1800 01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:36,160 Speaker 1: the pandemic, and and you know, and I say that 1801 01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:39,120 Speaker 1: because in a way, first of all, it's very tragic 1802 01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:43,040 Speaker 1: because it overtly affects people sixty five in the minority community. 1803 01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,720 Speaker 1: And secondly, but from a business perspective, and I feel 1804 01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,240 Speaker 1: it allowed me to catch up, you know, because a 1805 01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,639 Speaker 1: lot of competition was shut down in the second quarter, 1806 01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:55,519 Speaker 1: live events with advertisers pull all the media from in 1807 01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:57,840 Speaker 1: the second quarter. The third quarters started trickling black. You 1808 01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:01,360 Speaker 1: started getting virtual events, and then so talent started to 1809 01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:04,519 Speaker 1: creep back out in some productions, especially entertainment, started to 1810 01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:08,000 Speaker 1: go back out. So I commend you because I felt 1811 01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:10,080 Speaker 1: that what you're doing is very smart, because that's what 1812 01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:13,479 Speaker 1: I did. The first quarter. I was getting my brand together, 1813 01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:17,000 Speaker 1: trying to define that second quarter, getting all my legal paperwork, 1814 01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:18,920 Speaker 1: making sure I would launching site. I launched a whole 1815 01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:22,160 Speaker 1: new platform in the in the third quarter. In fourth quarter, 1816 01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:24,360 Speaker 1: I tell my team it's time to make money, and 1817 01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:26,760 Speaker 1: we will make money because we've established that is that 1818 01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:29,720 Speaker 1: Courtney a sense of what you guys are doing. The 1819 01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,280 Speaker 1: plants in place. Pandemic hit. It didn't throw any fear 1820 01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:36,280 Speaker 1: into your through sadness and through complications of how to 1821 01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:39,400 Speaker 1: do business. But it didn't alter your dreams. No, it 1822 01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,760 Speaker 1: didn't actually um speed it up, because it gave us 1823 01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,920 Speaker 1: time to kind of reassess what we were doing. Um 1824 01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:49,120 Speaker 1: of course, we were kind of all forced to quiet down, 1825 01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:52,720 Speaker 1: kind of reflect on you know, personally from a career standpoint, 1826 01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:55,439 Speaker 1: what's really important to me, Like, what's gonna drive me 1827 01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:58,240 Speaker 1: how when we come on out on the other side 1828 01:39:58,240 --> 01:39:59,840 Speaker 1: of this thing. What do I want to do? What 1829 01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:02,000 Speaker 1: do What are the causes that I care about? What 1830 01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:03,720 Speaker 1: are the kind of clients that I want want to 1831 01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,400 Speaker 1: work with? Where messages that I want to get out 1832 01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:09,160 Speaker 1: into the culture. And so, like DNA said, we've talked 1833 01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:13,400 Speaker 1: about joining forces before, and we knew that we could 1834 01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:17,960 Speaker 1: um complement each other's expertise but also scale the work 1835 01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:21,360 Speaker 1: that we do because a lot of times, obviously DNA's 1836 01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:24,920 Speaker 1: working on projects where it involves marketing and branding. I 1837 01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:28,560 Speaker 1: work on projects sometimes where we're hiring out talents. So 1838 01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:32,320 Speaker 1: we knew that just coming together would allow us again 1839 01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:36,040 Speaker 1: to grow, but also do work that was more meaningful 1840 01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:40,040 Speaker 1: and to come together to do something really important to 1841 01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:43,240 Speaker 1: make sure that the narrative that the future is female 1842 01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:45,920 Speaker 1: isn't just something that we say, but that we're actively 1843 01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:49,600 Speaker 1: doing our part to make sure that we're supporting that 1844 01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:52,240 Speaker 1: narrative and the work that that we're doing, and we're 1845 01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:56,360 Speaker 1: bringing other very talented and the word you use was 1846 01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:59,680 Speaker 1: innovative women along. So that was really important for us. 1847 01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:02,400 Speaker 1: When I say that word, I say that word with respect. 1848 01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:05,160 Speaker 1: I said that word with a lot of uh you know, 1849 01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:07,200 Speaker 1: and and I don't. And I like to believe that 1850 01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm one of those guys. I would tell that people 1851 01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:10,720 Speaker 1: that are twenty four hours in the day learn to 1852 01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:14,160 Speaker 1: use every hour. And when I say and, I said 1853 01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:16,720 Speaker 1: as a compliment because I know how passionate I am, 1854 01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:18,760 Speaker 1: and I know my resume when I say, you two 1855 01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:22,000 Speaker 1: are kind of like a versions of me, and and 1856 01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:25,760 Speaker 1: and because it's a testament to your ability to be 1857 01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:28,200 Speaker 1: able to adjust to change, and you're not in your 1858 01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:31,680 Speaker 1: fearless And you also understand that I know when I 1859 01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:33,600 Speaker 1: walk in the room that I'm a black guy. I 1860 01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:35,720 Speaker 1: know when I got I know, I know when you're 1861 01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:38,240 Speaker 1: walking room your attractive ladies. That's something you have to 1862 01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:41,800 Speaker 1: admit and sometimes you have to admit that people have 1863 01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,960 Speaker 1: to be trained on what you bring to the table. 1864 01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:49,839 Speaker 1: And with that being said, you've launched an all female 1865 01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:59,000 Speaker 1: lead agency in Atlanta, Georgia. Dina, Why, Well, I'm it's 1866 01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:01,960 Speaker 1: it's really the top that we're talking about money making conversations. 1867 01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:04,560 Speaker 1: We're trying to level the playing field. We're trying to 1868 01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:08,360 Speaker 1: close that gap for women to make the money that 1869 01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:12,000 Speaker 1: they deserve to make. Two, especially for minority women to 1870 01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:17,040 Speaker 1: have more opportunity, and really and really help women work 1871 01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:19,800 Speaker 1: together and not be competitive against each other. I find 1872 01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:22,640 Speaker 1: that a lot of times, especially in these male dominated industries, 1873 01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:25,000 Speaker 1: we are pitted against each other and it's a lot 1874 01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:27,519 Speaker 1: of competition. But I think we're stronger if we can 1875 01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:30,640 Speaker 1: actually work together. So we want to be that example. 1876 01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:33,560 Speaker 1: We kind of want to show shed the light on 1877 01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:36,800 Speaker 1: that journey of getting women who are great at what 1878 01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:40,519 Speaker 1: they do, who are very skillful, having us collaborate together 1879 01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:43,599 Speaker 1: for excellence for our clients. And I think that that's 1880 01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,920 Speaker 1: really the main reason we're we're doing this agency. Of 1881 01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:48,640 Speaker 1: course we want to make money, but we want to 1882 01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:51,360 Speaker 1: make money like how men are able to make money. 1883 01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:55,919 Speaker 1: You're listening to money making conversations with ra Sean McDonald. 1884 01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:58,639 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. 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That's very true. 1906 01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:06,400 Speaker 1: Um money is really in the beginning of my intro says, 1907 01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:09,240 Speaker 1: you know, there's people have a version of what it's 1908 01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:12,680 Speaker 1: a sizeable paycheck is some people is is a large check. 1909 01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:16,280 Speaker 1: I'm driven by the fact that opportunity drives me, and 1910 01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:18,880 Speaker 1: I think that's a sense of who I'm talking to him, 1911 01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:21,600 Speaker 1: Dina and courting you opportunities because if you don't have 1912 01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:23,720 Speaker 1: an opportunity, you can't get in the door to make 1913 01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:26,439 Speaker 1: your play or make your statement, then the money is 1914 01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:29,080 Speaker 1: gonna come because you're skilled at it. Now two words 1915 01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:32,120 Speaker 1: that we here popular popularize all the time. It annoys 1916 01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:36,439 Speaker 1: me so much. Marketing and branding, especially the word brand. 1917 01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:38,679 Speaker 1: I just I can't stand that words not because people 1918 01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:41,200 Speaker 1: just throw it out nowadays like they know exactly what. 1919 01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:45,360 Speaker 1: Oh no, exactly branding expert, I can hear that one 1920 01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:52,960 Speaker 1: more time. Oh my god, I'm a branding expert. So courting, Yeah, 1921 01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:56,160 Speaker 1: they'll just show you an example, Okay. In two thousand, 1922 01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:58,200 Speaker 1: when I started managing the I used to work for 1923 01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:03,439 Speaker 1: IBM okay, so corporate. So from a corporate standpoint, I 1924 01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,439 Speaker 1: knew where the brand was was IBM okay. So when 1925 01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:09,760 Speaker 1: I looked at Steve, I looked at I said, I'm 1926 01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:13,040 Speaker 1: gonna treat him just like a corporation. I'm giving the 1927 01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:15,840 Speaker 1: same rules, the same standards, the same belief that the 1928 01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:19,680 Speaker 1: corporation sets itself up for consider their brand, because I 1929 01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:22,400 Speaker 1: will tell you. I would tell people, you know, corporations, 1930 01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:24,400 Speaker 1: they they just shout out. They tell you they got 1931 01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:26,439 Speaker 1: the best hamburger, they got the best car, They've got 1932 01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:28,720 Speaker 1: the best cell phone and all these things. And that's 1933 01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,639 Speaker 1: why I'm enjoying this interview because I'm like bouncing back 1934 01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:35,519 Speaker 1: between versions of my brain left right, left, right, left right. 1935 01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:39,760 Speaker 1: But branding expert, Courtney, what is that? What is a 1936 01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:44,680 Speaker 1: branding expert? Please help me. I'm so sad and I 1937 01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:49,200 Speaker 1: love this question because people use the words branding and 1938 01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:52,160 Speaker 1: market marketing together like it's the same thing, and it's not. 1939 01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:55,560 Speaker 1: So we all know that a brand is just the 1940 01:45:55,680 --> 01:46:00,320 Speaker 1: way someone when I say with Sean, what comes to 1941 01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:04,200 Speaker 1: people's mind? The energy, the images, the feeling, it's the 1942 01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:08,400 Speaker 1: story that we share out into the world because of 1943 01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:11,080 Speaker 1: the things we do right, And so we know in 1944 01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:15,720 Speaker 1: a corporate world it's a nice logo and it's a position, right, 1945 01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:19,759 Speaker 1: like your hamburgers are gonna be you know, mid tier 1946 01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:24,200 Speaker 1: loads here, heights here, right. But for people and the 1947 01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:27,639 Speaker 1: kind of work that we do, branding is about what's 1948 01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:30,800 Speaker 1: the experience you're creating for people? What's the vibe that 1949 01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:33,280 Speaker 1: you get when you interact with us? Our brand. It's 1950 01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:37,040 Speaker 1: all about women's empowerment. It's all about being inclusive, it's 1951 01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:40,080 Speaker 1: all about having fun. It's all about doing meaningful work 1952 01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:42,800 Speaker 1: that's gonna make a real different and community of the 1953 01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:46,839 Speaker 1: African American community and communities of color. It's about showing 1954 01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:51,840 Speaker 1: a different narrative to women doing business together in one 1955 01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:56,960 Speaker 1: It's about positivity, connection, collaboration, and it's about when people 1956 01:46:57,120 --> 01:47:00,320 Speaker 1: interact with me and Dina specifically with our in and 1957 01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:04,200 Speaker 1: seeing DV agency. We want people to walk away feeling empowered, 1958 01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:09,960 Speaker 1: excited about moving towards again a more powerful, collaborative, inclusive 1959 01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:14,920 Speaker 1: community of whatever you're doing. So for us, it's it's 1960 01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:19,080 Speaker 1: women doing business and male dominated industries and making them 1961 01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:21,439 Speaker 1: feel good, you know, good about themselves. So it's just 1962 01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:24,680 Speaker 1: experience that we create with the colors we use, the 1963 01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:28,160 Speaker 1: events that we curate, the messages that we said, and 1964 01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:31,000 Speaker 1: it's about being consistent in those things. And those things 1965 01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:34,839 Speaker 1: create the heartbeat of who you are as a company, 1966 01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:38,320 Speaker 1: as a person, and then your marketing shares that messages 1967 01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:41,840 Speaker 1: out into the world through different platforms and stories and 1968 01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:51,040 Speaker 1: events and situations. See how smart she is. She's good, Um, 1969 01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:54,240 Speaker 1: she's scary good I mean, you know what I mean? 1970 01:47:56,600 --> 01:48:00,519 Speaker 1: You are you blessing? You are you blessing? Okay, I 1971 01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,360 Speaker 1: remember that was my first take on you many years ago, 1972 01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:08,160 Speaker 1: and to see where you've transformed or evolved too is amazing. 1973 01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:12,000 Speaker 1: Now when when when I heard you talk Cordony, it 1974 01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:15,040 Speaker 1: felt more like from a business standpoint, from you know, 1975 01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:18,040 Speaker 1: from a from a uh like like you know, a 1976 01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:21,519 Speaker 1: product standpoint. And then I turned to Dina and you 1977 01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:25,439 Speaker 1: used the word branding expert when it comes to talent. 1978 01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:31,320 Speaker 1: What does that mean, Dina? When it comes to talent, talent, 1979 01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:37,439 Speaker 1: talent is a brand in itself, so any any any artist, 1980 01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:41,200 Speaker 1: any any person that like yourself, you are at You 1981 01:48:41,320 --> 01:48:44,080 Speaker 1: are talent and you are your own brands. So we 1982 01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:46,479 Speaker 1: have to do the same thing. We have to maintain 1983 01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:49,479 Speaker 1: the proper messaging what we want people to know and 1984 01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:52,840 Speaker 1: feel about you, how we wanted to look overall, how 1985 01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:56,040 Speaker 1: we wanted to feel. So it's pretty much the same 1986 01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:59,560 Speaker 1: way as hamburgers, but it's a person which makes it, 1987 01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:03,120 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit more complicated. Hamburger don't talk, Hamburger 1988 01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:08,519 Speaker 1: don't talk right. Hamburgers don't mess up somethings. Sometimes when 1989 01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:10,720 Speaker 1: they talk, they don't post on social media. They don't 1990 01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:15,040 Speaker 1: do that, right. Hamburgers don't change their minds sometimes the 1991 01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:17,519 Speaker 1: morning when you have a plan and then they decide, 1992 01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:20,200 Speaker 1: their mood just shifts and they want to do something else. 1993 01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:22,720 Speaker 1: That's you know, it's a little different. And hammer and 1994 01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:27,479 Speaker 1: Hamburgers don't throw your strange looks either, that's right, Like 1995 01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:30,160 Speaker 1: you're the crazy one in the room. Really and Hamburger 1996 01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:33,439 Speaker 1: will not throw you under the bus when you know 1997 01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:36,480 Speaker 1: what I mean. I love it. I love it. I've 1998 01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:39,200 Speaker 1: talked to my two sisters I'm talking to you know. 1999 01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:41,599 Speaker 1: We're behind the scenes. We we we are the ladies 2000 01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:44,280 Speaker 1: that are always behind the scenes, the secret weapons that 2001 01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:46,960 Speaker 1: a lot of times people don't even know exist. But 2002 01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:52,400 Speaker 1: we are an integral part of the team that we're on. Cool. 2003 01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:54,479 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Let's brag a little bit. Okay, I 2004 01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:56,400 Speaker 1: mentioned a little bit about t I and some of 2005 01:49:56,439 --> 01:49:59,240 Speaker 1: the accomplishment. Talk about some of your products, Dina, and 2006 01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:02,360 Speaker 1: then court them from new you. Okay, okay. Well, my 2007 01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:05,160 Speaker 1: history has been in the music business mainly. I started 2008 01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:07,640 Speaker 1: a PR firm, an entertainment PR firm, when I was 2009 01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:10,200 Speaker 1: nineteen in college and then I met l a read 2010 01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:12,559 Speaker 1: when I was twenty one, and he handpicked and hired 2011 01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:14,640 Speaker 1: me to work with him at Island def Jam. So 2012 01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:16,439 Speaker 1: I was on his A and R team for six 2013 01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:19,640 Speaker 1: years and I helped with Janet Jackson, L Cool, j 2014 01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:22,960 Speaker 1: Nas Young, Jeez, Rick Ross, and and so many others 2015 01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:25,800 Speaker 1: when jay Z was president, and then I left to 2016 01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:29,439 Speaker 1: start my own artist development company and I built a 2017 01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:33,520 Speaker 1: recording studio in midtown Atlanta called twelve Music and Studios. 2018 01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:38,000 Speaker 1: I ran and operated that operated that facility, and I 2019 01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:42,680 Speaker 1: nurtured and managed talent for seven years. Then t I 2020 01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:44,880 Speaker 1: called me and wanted me back on his team because 2021 01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:47,479 Speaker 1: we worked together previously when I was a lot younger 2022 01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:50,160 Speaker 1: and he was putting out trap music, and I got 2023 01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:52,160 Speaker 1: back on his team and I've been on his management 2024 01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:55,680 Speaker 1: team helping out for the last three years. So I 2025 01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:58,280 Speaker 1: also sold my studio about a year and a half ago, 2026 01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:01,400 Speaker 1: just so I could do more focus on the new 2027 01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:03,000 Speaker 1: things that I wanted to do and to kind of 2028 01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:05,160 Speaker 1: pivot and the same thing that we're doing now with 2029 01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:08,760 Speaker 1: pivoting with this agency, which is really a blessing, I'll say, 2030 01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:11,360 Speaker 1: because we're at the point in our career as we 2031 01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:12,920 Speaker 1: would get to kind of pick and choose who we 2032 01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,880 Speaker 1: want to work with, and that's truly a blessing. We 2033 01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:18,880 Speaker 1: don't we don't. We don't decide on working with clients 2034 01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:22,840 Speaker 1: based on monetary things. We decide on on what their 2035 01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:25,320 Speaker 1: vision is, what the messages, how is this going to 2036 01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:30,160 Speaker 1: impact the community. That's really where we make our decisions. Awesome, 2037 01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:34,719 Speaker 1: Courtney c R, the C and the D of the agency. 2038 01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:39,679 Speaker 1: That's me. Your accomplishments, your your the things they brought 2039 01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:42,160 Speaker 1: you into this world that you when you sit down, 2040 01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:43,880 Speaker 1: you make a pitch. You got to tell people what 2041 01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:46,320 Speaker 1: you're doing currently or what you've done in the past, 2042 01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:50,479 Speaker 1: how does they work and what do you have to say? Um? So, 2043 01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:55,360 Speaker 1: as far as my career accomplishments, I started my career 2044 01:51:55,560 --> 01:51:59,320 Speaker 1: right out of grad school started working for UM Clear 2045 01:51:59,439 --> 01:52:03,680 Speaker 1: Channel as an account manager for w POC, which is 2046 01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:06,680 Speaker 1: one of is that what you wanted to do? Accord Um, 2047 01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:11,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to be UM an anchorwoman initially until I 2048 01:52:11,439 --> 01:52:13,920 Speaker 1: did an internship actually and then not changed my mind. 2049 01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:18,439 Speaker 1: And so you had aspirations of being a talent in 2050 01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:23,760 Speaker 1: one time at first? Yes, yeah, um, But anyway, so 2051 01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:27,320 Speaker 1: I started as an account manager for w POC, which 2052 01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:30,519 Speaker 1: is a top five still country station in the country 2053 01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:36,320 Speaker 1: for clear Channel, and I was selling POC country, jazz 2054 01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:41,560 Speaker 1: and gospel and digital. So it was I think it 2055 01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:44,960 Speaker 1: was like two thousand and three where digital just started 2056 01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:48,040 Speaker 1: to come up, and we were trying to figure it 2057 01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:50,680 Speaker 1: out as a media company, what we're gonna sell, how 2058 01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:53,920 Speaker 1: we're going to be able to show clients r O 2059 01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,400 Speaker 1: E s and stuff like that. And so I did 2060 01:52:56,479 --> 01:52:58,679 Speaker 1: that for a year and a half and pretty quickly 2061 01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:03,840 Speaker 1: I was able to average a Jaguar deal for clear 2062 01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:07,120 Speaker 1: Channel throughout like twenty markets and it was a multimillion 2063 01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:09,640 Speaker 1: dollar deal and it kind of set my career up. 2064 01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:11,240 Speaker 1: And honestly it was a fluke, but that's a whole 2065 01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,760 Speaker 1: another story. It kind of set my career because I 2066 01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:19,240 Speaker 1: ended up getting recruited into management that you gotta tell 2067 01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:25,160 Speaker 1: us the fluke now, unlet's just say it was a 2068 01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:32,120 Speaker 1: blessing from because the Nosings took over. When you say fluke, 2069 01:53:33,400 --> 01:53:38,600 Speaker 1: it just like yeah, um. So at any rate, that 2070 01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:41,599 Speaker 1: deal kind of set my career up, like I said, 2071 01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:44,519 Speaker 1: And so when that happened, because I ended up having 2072 01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:47,040 Speaker 1: to like go to corporate and present the deal to 2073 01:53:47,160 --> 01:53:51,760 Speaker 1: Jaguar and so like you know there UM their VP 2074 01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:55,559 Speaker 1: of Marketing and head of brands, consumer brands and all 2075 01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:58,880 Speaker 1: that and close. The deal went really well, and so, 2076 01:53:59,439 --> 01:54:02,240 Speaker 1: like I said, that led into me being recruited by 2077 01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:05,920 Speaker 1: the executive management team. So I went to Tampa as 2078 01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:10,519 Speaker 1: a sales manager for three radio stations, one being launching 2079 01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:13,120 Speaker 1: The Beat, which was the first Urban actually to go 2080 01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:17,360 Speaker 1: into Tampa, believe it or not, UM, w f l Z, 2081 01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:23,519 Speaker 1: which is uh SHR station, and UH Mix, which is 2082 01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:27,760 Speaker 1: like uh no Mix was the HR and w f 2083 01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:29,560 Speaker 1: l Z is like a pop station. But anyway, so 2084 01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:33,120 Speaker 1: I went there with three stations under my belt, stayed 2085 01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:37,160 Speaker 1: in Tampa, learned the Ropes under my general sales manager. 2086 01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:39,920 Speaker 1: They gave me The Beat as my station within like 2087 01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:43,000 Speaker 1: three months, honestly, and I just had fun with it. 2088 01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:47,080 Speaker 1: Like I just used my intuition quite frankly, to uh 2089 01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:50,760 Speaker 1: make decisions UM as far as marketing was concerned, how 2090 01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:53,080 Speaker 1: we were going to position Urban in a market like 2091 01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:56,040 Speaker 1: Tampa that had never they had reggae tone but they 2092 01:54:56,520 --> 01:55:00,560 Speaker 1: never had an FM hip hop station, And so that 2093 01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:05,040 Speaker 1: went well. My boss in Tampa came to Atlanta as 2094 01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:10,040 Speaker 1: the market manager for Clear Channel Atlanta UM and he 2095 01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:13,080 Speaker 1: recruited me. They were launching a country which is the Bowl, 2096 01:55:13,160 --> 01:55:15,720 Speaker 1: which is the number one country in the market. It 2097 01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:20,280 Speaker 1: was the FM broadcast for Bradys Radio network and so UM, 2098 01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:24,320 Speaker 1: once again, I had kind of gotten the role of 2099 01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:27,400 Speaker 1: being of launching stations in new markets because of what 2100 01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:29,320 Speaker 1: we had done, the flip that we had done with 2101 01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:32,320 Speaker 1: the Beat in Tampa. So they brought me here to 2102 01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:36,600 Speaker 1: launch a country little micro media in the South, and 2103 01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:40,360 Speaker 1: that's what I actually had two country stations. There was 2104 01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:43,640 Speaker 1: this little stick in Peachtree City called w d c L. 2105 01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:45,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what that stick is now. So I 2106 01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:48,400 Speaker 1: ran the two country stations and was in charge of 2107 01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:53,160 Speaker 1: Brady's Radio network, which taught me a lot about just 2108 01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:58,440 Speaker 1: you know, managing forty eight million dollar radio station, managing 2109 01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:02,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people, managing responsibilities. From I was in 2110 01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:06,800 Speaker 1: charge of the marketing department, the sales department, the promotions department, UM, 2111 01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:11,760 Speaker 1: and then I served on executive committee for for Clear Channels. 2112 01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:14,680 Speaker 1: So that kind of taught me the things that I 2113 01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:18,360 Speaker 1: needed to learn to kind of step out into entrepreneurship 2114 01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:22,800 Speaker 1: and UM. After doing that Clear Channel that fought by 2115 01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:28,480 Speaker 1: being capital UM. There were eight general sales manager six 2116 01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:31,240 Speaker 1: of them got laid off. Unfortunately I was not one 2117 01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:33,320 Speaker 1: of them. I was super sad because they got this 2118 01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:36,760 Speaker 1: huge severance check and unfortunately I was one of the 2119 01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:38,960 Speaker 1: ones that stayed and had to make it work. And 2120 01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:42,600 Speaker 1: so that taught me more about acquisitions and mergers, mergers 2121 01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:44,720 Speaker 1: and how to make a profit and law statement work, 2122 01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:47,640 Speaker 1: and long story short, I left there started working for myself. 2123 01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:52,840 Speaker 1: Ford Morgricultural became my first client, and my entrepreneurship journey 2124 01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:56,600 Speaker 1: started from there. Awesome OC towards National Women's Small Business Month. 2125 01:56:57,080 --> 01:57:00,640 Speaker 1: I'm speaking to DNA and Courtney UH the agency, which 2126 01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:03,240 Speaker 1: is what you c and d the agency. What you 2127 01:57:03,320 --> 01:57:07,000 Speaker 1: started in UH in the city of Atlanta. Your first 2128 01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:10,840 Speaker 1: project is it was is a voter education initiative aimed 2129 01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:14,920 Speaker 1: at combining voter suppression and Georgia during the election. Can 2130 01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:17,240 Speaker 1: you tell us how that how that came about and 2131 01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:19,640 Speaker 1: also what are you doing when you say this is 2132 01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:22,520 Speaker 1: your first project. When when somebody says the first project 2133 01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:27,040 Speaker 1: out of the agency, what does that mean? Well, this 2134 01:57:27,200 --> 01:57:31,200 Speaker 1: is our first campaign that we're doing to to launch 2135 01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:34,160 Speaker 1: with the agency so people know what we are up 2136 01:57:34,200 --> 01:57:35,880 Speaker 1: to and that we want to do meaningful things in 2137 01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:38,520 Speaker 1: the community. I think it's really important right now to 2138 01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:40,600 Speaker 1: exercise your right to vote. But a lot of times 2139 01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:44,360 Speaker 1: people don't even understand their rights for voting, and so 2140 01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:47,320 Speaker 1: we want to just educate and give and and funnel 2141 01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:49,880 Speaker 1: all the information on into one place so people can 2142 01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:54,280 Speaker 1: get it, whether it's early voting, UM, absentee ballot, or 2143 01:57:54,440 --> 01:57:57,480 Speaker 1: whether you're going in person on the day of vote, 2144 01:57:57,480 --> 01:58:01,480 Speaker 1: you know, election day. We want well to know, UM, 2145 01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:04,040 Speaker 1: they're rights. We want them to know that if they 2146 01:58:04,120 --> 01:58:07,280 Speaker 1: come across something that looks like voter suppression or it's 2147 01:58:07,360 --> 01:58:10,240 Speaker 1: something that's blocking them from doing what they have the 2148 01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:13,000 Speaker 1: right to do, they we want them to have that information. 2149 01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:15,760 Speaker 1: And so we're just pulling all that information together and 2150 01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:20,000 Speaker 1: sharing it through our network and through um just just 2151 01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:23,280 Speaker 1: our really just our network and social media of course. 2152 01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:28,440 Speaker 1: And UM, I voted already earlier, Okay, cool put it, 2153 01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:31,200 Speaker 1: posted it on social media that I voted, And um, 2154 01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:33,920 Speaker 1: it's a very important election November three for a lot 2155 01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:37,400 Speaker 1: of reasons, but more importantly, they get there, get this 2156 01:58:37,480 --> 01:58:39,640 Speaker 1: country back to a level of sanity that we all 2157 01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:42,320 Speaker 1: feel we can walk out our front door and return safe, 2158 01:58:43,120 --> 01:58:45,360 Speaker 1: because right now it gets ugly and ugly every day. 2159 01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:48,400 Speaker 1: Uh and and closing, Courtney and Diana, First of all, 2160 01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:51,360 Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the show. I this was 2161 01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:53,960 Speaker 1: this wise. This is such a beautiful interview. You gots 2162 01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:59,879 Speaker 1: are dominant personalities. I'm looking at two distinctively different positions 2163 01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:05,080 Speaker 1: people that work incredibly well together. Your strengths they crossed, 2164 01:59:05,120 --> 01:59:06,880 Speaker 1: but they don't cross. When I say, that means that 2165 01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:10,000 Speaker 1: you both understand your lanes and it allows you to 2166 01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:13,840 Speaker 1: be able to eloquently pitch like Courtney said, like she 2167 01:59:13,960 --> 01:59:18,400 Speaker 1: did in This Wild Me, and then eloquently understand because 2168 01:59:18,440 --> 01:59:21,200 Speaker 1: I've managed talent a lot of high profile talent, and 2169 01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:24,120 Speaker 1: I know exactly you know when you start talking, I 2170 01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:27,080 Speaker 1: laugh because every everything you said I've had to deal 2171 01:59:27,160 --> 01:59:29,680 Speaker 1: with and still deal. When I jumped right back into 2172 01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:31,720 Speaker 1: fire and I said I would go well, I love 2173 01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:33,640 Speaker 1: Steve Harrd. I said I was done. I wasn't gonna 2174 01:59:33,680 --> 01:59:35,640 Speaker 1: do this anymore, and I'm back in. They pulled me 2175 01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:38,480 Speaker 1: back in reputation to pull me back here. But I 2176 01:59:38,600 --> 01:59:40,360 Speaker 1: want to just say thank you. I want to be 2177 01:59:40,440 --> 01:59:42,520 Speaker 1: in your guys life. You know, if you ever need 2178 01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:45,560 Speaker 1: my services. I I do a lot of media. I 2179 01:59:45,680 --> 01:59:50,080 Speaker 1: do rps. I love to include you guys in marketing, branding. 2180 01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my staff to reach out to you 2181 01:59:52,160 --> 01:59:54,440 Speaker 1: guys and get a deck on you guys. So you 2182 01:59:54,520 --> 01:59:57,080 Speaker 1: know I'm gonna be an agency record for something selves 2183 01:59:57,200 --> 02:00:00,480 Speaker 1: for some fortune five hundred company from my multicultural perspective. 2184 02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:04,080 Speaker 1: And I don't do pr and so so you know 2185 02:00:04,240 --> 02:00:06,760 Speaker 1: I don't. So I can't do everything, but you can. 2186 02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:08,600 Speaker 1: You can lie that you can do everything, but you 2187 02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:10,680 Speaker 1: want to do it well. And I and I and 2188 02:00:11,120 --> 02:00:14,600 Speaker 1: just being the two young ladies who are trying to mentor. 2189 02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:16,560 Speaker 1: That was the key in this conversation that I was 2190 02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:19,320 Speaker 1: so impressed about because I was since I was eighteen, 2191 02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:22,640 Speaker 1: that's been my mantra. Uh no, don't leave anybody behind. 2192 02:00:22,680 --> 02:00:24,480 Speaker 1: I don't know why I did it, it was just 2193 02:00:24,840 --> 02:00:27,880 Speaker 1: part of my natural DNA and I from the very 2194 02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:30,080 Speaker 1: start of this conversation that's all I heard you guys 2195 02:00:30,160 --> 02:00:31,960 Speaker 1: talk about. And I want to be a part of 2196 02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:35,400 Speaker 1: any way I can assist growing the CND the agency 2197 02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:38,960 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Georgia, because both of you guys are brilliant. Courtney, 2198 02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:41,280 Speaker 1: I know your track worker. That wasn't That's what impressed 2199 02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:42,840 Speaker 1: me way back then was the fact that you were 2200 02:00:42,840 --> 02:00:46,280 Speaker 1: selling more than black radio and uh and Dana um 2201 02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:49,000 Speaker 1: meeting you for the first time, I've heard about you. 2202 02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:51,480 Speaker 1: When I there was a lot of people. A lot 2203 02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:53,480 Speaker 1: of people said, dude, how you never met yea, she 2204 02:00:53,560 --> 02:00:56,280 Speaker 1: said a lot of names. I know, okay, and we 2205 02:00:56,360 --> 02:00:58,480 Speaker 1: were So we've crossed and we've talked and I've heard 2206 02:00:58,520 --> 02:01:01,120 Speaker 1: about you and get you on my show, money making 2207 02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:04,520 Speaker 1: conversations and blessing and uh, thank you, thank so happy 2208 02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:06,839 Speaker 1: when you guys reached out, I was like, really, okay, 2209 02:01:07,320 --> 02:01:11,440 Speaker 1: I'm down to do this. It's great. Thank you. And 2210 02:01:11,560 --> 02:01:13,240 Speaker 1: you hit it on the and you hit it right 2211 02:01:13,280 --> 02:01:15,760 Speaker 1: on the notes, like you have a way of knowing 2212 02:01:16,360 --> 02:01:19,800 Speaker 1: how to pick up on you know, your your your 2213 02:01:20,040 --> 02:01:22,440 Speaker 1: guest on the show, because I would say that you 2214 02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:28,280 Speaker 1: summ that up pretty well. You did my heart well. 2215 02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:32,160 Speaker 1: You know, I started this and I didn't know what 2216 02:01:32,240 --> 02:01:34,120 Speaker 1: I was doing from the standpoint, you know, I would 2217 02:01:34,160 --> 02:01:35,560 Speaker 1: just I didn't know why people were coming on the 2218 02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:37,200 Speaker 1: show where they're coming on the show, because I should 2219 02:01:37,200 --> 02:01:39,360 Speaker 1: manage Steve Harvey. They think I'm getting on the radio show, 2220 02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:41,400 Speaker 1: the talk show. And I was trying to find my 2221 02:01:41,560 --> 02:01:44,800 Speaker 1: voice and and so I just look at two fantastic 2222 02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:47,960 Speaker 1: people that you know if you called me and you 2223 02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:50,240 Speaker 1: know I don't charge. That's why I started this whole 2224 02:01:50,280 --> 02:01:52,560 Speaker 1: platform here. But I do know how to make people famous. 2225 02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:55,600 Speaker 1: I do know how to and you guys are famous. Okay, 2226 02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:59,560 Speaker 1: you're famous. Commodities. Zoom has allowed me to have an 2227 02:01:59,600 --> 02:02:01,560 Speaker 1: interview like this because if I try to do this 2228 02:02:01,640 --> 02:02:04,840 Speaker 1: in January, but we'll never what what is he talking about? 2229 02:02:05,560 --> 02:02:08,400 Speaker 1: But Zoomers allowed this format and to see how you 2230 02:02:08,480 --> 02:02:11,320 Speaker 1: guys operate on this world. You should do it as 2231 02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:14,520 Speaker 1: much as possible because you will shine in a lot 2232 02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:16,880 Speaker 1: of great lanes of opportunity because both for you guys 2233 02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:20,880 Speaker 1: are brilliant. Okay, thank you so much so much for 2234 02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:24,600 Speaker 1: having are essential. The conversations you're having are really important. 2235 02:02:24,640 --> 02:02:29,280 Speaker 1: People what's happening behind the scenes and not in front 2236 02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:33,040 Speaker 1: of the TV screen. They need to know the intricacies 2237 02:02:33,200 --> 02:02:36,640 Speaker 1: of business and how to make money. It's really important. 2238 02:02:37,160 --> 02:02:39,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I'm telling I stopped to get a 2239 02:02:39,560 --> 02:02:43,360 Speaker 1: deck on you guys. Okay, and we bye. Great scene 2240 02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:46,280 Speaker 1: both for y'all. Bye bye. If you want to hear 2241 02:02:46,280 --> 02:02:48,640 Speaker 1: more money making conversation interviews, please go to money Making 2242 02:02:48,640 --> 02:02:52,440 Speaker 1: Conversations but dot com. I'm with Sean McDonald, I'm your host. Wow, 2243 02:02:52,720 --> 02:02:53,560 Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Huh.