1 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spafford, joined as always 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Hear from our studios at lambeau Field to continue Wes 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: our discussion of Packers' training camp. Now, since our last show, 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: there's actually only been one additional practice because the players 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: did not have practice on Wednesday. So all told, six 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: practices in the books, two of them have been in pads. 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: And I think you would agree with me here that 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: today's discussion probably best start with a young wide receiver 11 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: named Matthew Golden, because holy cow, on the practice field 12 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, the second padded practice of training camp. He 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: was the star of the show. 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: He was man. And it just seems like this entire week, 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: this first you know, six practices that we watched at 16 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: this time. Number twenty two is just keep find a 17 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: way to find the football and making big plays. And 18 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: I've talked a lot about just what he's able to 19 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: do underneath his quickness, his footwork, his ability to get 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: in and out of his brakes. But we saw on 21 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: Tuesday what this guy can do with his speed as well, 22 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 2: a very deep crosser. He's going up against Nate Hobbs, 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: he's up against Evan Williams, two of the top guys 24 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: in the secondary, and the mount of separation he was 25 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: able to generate, and how Jordan Love was able to 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 2: put the pass on him sixty yard touchdown bomb. This 27 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: is an absolute game changer. And again, it's not gonna 28 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: happen overnight. It's gonna take time. He's gonna take some blumps. 29 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 2: But when you're talking about a first round pick, when 30 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: you're talking about that receiver that the Packers have invested 31 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: into into their future, the promising signs are there with 32 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: Matthew Goldin. 33 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: And the growth that he is showing already in a 34 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: very short period of time is very promising as well. 35 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: After Tuesday's practice, I talked to him very briefly one 36 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: on one at his locker before the rest of the 37 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: meet horrid game, but I did have him one on 38 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: one just for a little bit, and I asked him 39 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: about that sixty yard touchdown pass and he immediately said, 40 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: I had that same route the other day in practice, 41 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: and he said today, he said, I ran a little differently. 42 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: It's sort of a I don't want to call it, 43 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, an out and up kind of thing. I 44 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: guess you'd call it a double move, sort of like 45 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: sort of like a you know, an in you know, 46 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: an in cut and then you go deep type of thing. 47 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: And he said that essentially when he ran it again 48 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 1: on Tuesday compared to the previous day, he locked kind 49 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: of locked eyes with the cornerback and sold the shorter 50 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: route better with his eyes before he took the route deep. 51 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: And that's and you know, you know how it is 52 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: in this league. The margins are so slim. All these 53 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: guys are incredibly fast, incredibly athletic, but if you just 54 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: do one little extra thing that gives you an edge, 55 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: that's what then gets him open on the deep ball, 56 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: and Jordan Love is able to put it on him 57 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: for the for the long touchdown. It's just an illustration 58 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: of adjustments. He's already making the growth that he's already showing. 59 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: He told me that things are slowing down for him 60 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: a little bit. But the impression that I got in 61 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: chatting with him is that this is two things. This 62 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: is a young man who is very very confident in 63 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: what he can do, but he's also very aware that 64 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,839 Speaker 1: he doesn't have this all nearly figured out yet. There's 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: got he's got the right perspective on it as he 66 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: goes about it, and there's a lot of excitement about 67 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: what lies ahead for. 68 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: Him, humility mixed with natural talent and how far that 69 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: could take this guy. And again it's it's sort of 70 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: the hallmark a lot of the guys the Packers have 71 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: drafted over the years. There's a certain amount of character 72 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: that comes into it. Obviously if you know anything about 73 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: his history and where he comes from, what he's been, 74 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: you know, the way he was brought up. This is 75 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: a man that is going to get everything out of 76 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: his talent, everything out of his athleticism. Very interesting to 77 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: see where he could take this thing from here. But 78 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: it is I laugh at it because it's like we're 79 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: sitting here and it seems like every day when we're 80 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: doing five things, there's a Matthew Golden note that you 81 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: could write, yeah, just based on something he's doing in 82 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 2: practice or some kind of potential impact he's making. And 83 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,559 Speaker 2: the fact that the Packers aren't coorporating him as quickly 84 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: as they have been in some of their first team 85 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: starting packages. Again, I think speaks to his level of 86 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: commitment to this thing and also the upside that's there. 87 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 2: I mean, Mattlin Floor has talked about it time and 88 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: time again. You don't want to set expectations too high 89 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: for young receivers, but the way the college game has gone, 90 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: more and more of these guys now are coming in 91 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: and making quick transitions. And again when the signs of 92 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: promise with Matthew Golden everything you're looking for. 93 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And one thing that you said that also has 94 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: stood out, especially I'd say the last couple of practices. 95 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: You've talked about his ability both underneath and the short 96 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: area stuff and then also on the outside and down 97 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: the field, and we've seen that mixture in terms of 98 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: the types of plays that he can make. He had 99 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: one I can't remember now for sure if it was 100 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: on Sunday or Monday, where he's running essentially like a 101 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: deep out towards the sideline and Keishawn Nixon's all over 102 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: really really good coverage. Jordan Love decides to, you know, 103 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: throw the sideline ball. Obviously there's some protection from the 104 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: interception there with with the sideline and Golden. Golden and 105 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: Nixon kind of both go to the ground. Over by 106 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: the boundary and Golden ends up kind of rolling over 107 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: on top of Nixon and comes up with the football, 108 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: and it's like, now, I don't know on replay, if 109 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, if you'd slow it down and look at it, 110 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: does he actually get both of his feet in bounds 111 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: or does he end up kind of rolling over Nixon 112 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: and going out of bounds. It might have been incomplete, 113 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: but it just an incredible catch. When the ball left 114 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: Jordan Love's hand, I think all of us on the 115 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: sideline saw the coverage and saw where the ball was 116 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: head and it's like, oh, there's that. That's going to 117 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: be incomplete. He comes down with the football, whether it 118 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: was officially a completed pass or not. So those are 119 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: the types of things that we're seeing. He made a 120 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: great adjustment, some really good one on one reps which 121 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: I wrote about. There's a story on packers dot com. 122 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: He had a series of three one on one reps 123 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: with Carrington Valentine, and those two guys were really going 124 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: at it. Two of the guys I think who have 125 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: been the standouts of camp on each side of the 126 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: ball so far, and on a deep ball from Jordan Love, 127 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: he made a great adjustment. Valentine had really good coverage 128 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: and Golden adjusts, you know, gets his body back to 129 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: the inside and reaches out and makes the catch on 130 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: a ball that Jordan Love was actually afraid Valentine might 131 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: be able to intercept. So those are the types were 132 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: Those are the types of things that we're seeing from 133 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: Golden and the fact that it's just it's just six 134 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: practices in, it's been really impressive. 135 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I see so much of like when 136 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 2: you look at what Jayden Reid did early on, and 137 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: obviously Romeo Dobbs the way he practiced right away, it's 138 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: just the preparation with it. It's just impressive to watch 139 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: and you can just tell that the guys put the 140 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: time in to understand what his role is going to 141 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: be in this offense and trying to fill that as 142 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: quickly as possible, and honestly, that brings the floor up, 143 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: It heightens the ceiling for that entire room. Yeah, I thought, 144 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: you know, Romeo Dobbs has had some really good practices 145 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: the past few days. Obviously, Jayden Reid had a big 146 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: day on Tuesday in the two minute period. Mkole Hardman 147 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: has made himself known here. Obviously, Dantavian Wick's currently working 148 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: his way through a calf injury. But the list goes 149 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: on and on and on. And when you have a 150 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: young guy like Golden come in, I mean, that's what 151 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 2: pushes that tempo up. 152 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, And Adam Sinowitz actually said yesterday when he spoke 153 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: with the media, he mentioned that Golden is kind of 154 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: reminding him a lot of the young guys who have 155 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: come through in the last couple of years, guys like 156 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: Dobbs and Christian Watson and Jaden Reid, and just how 157 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,119 Speaker 1: they've looked and how they've prepared themselves for practice early 158 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: on to be able to get out there and make 159 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: some plays right away. A couple of injuries to update 160 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: folks on. We will see where things are for Thursday's practice, 161 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: which will be after we are recording this show. But 162 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: Marshawn Lloyd injured his groin. Yeah, sorry, I lost it 163 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: for a second there. Marshaon Lloyd with a groin injury. 164 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: And just to clarify, there's been a lot with regard 165 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: to a lot out there with regard to contact from 166 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: Nate Hobbs on a running play where Lloyd got hurt. 167 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: It's actually been determined that the contact from Hobbes didn't 168 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: have anything to do with the injury. Unfortunate either way 169 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: for Marshawn Lloyd's who's just dealt with an incredible amount 170 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: of rotten luck. But hopefully this is not something that 171 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: keeps him out too offully long. And then don Tavian 172 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: Wicks in that receiver room, he's dealing with a calf injury, 173 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: so we'll see, we'll see when Wicks can get back 174 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: on the field. A couple of other things to touch 175 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: on stories that you and I, respectively have have posted 176 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: on Packers dot Com. We'll start with yours. We got 177 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: a little bit more detail from defensive coordinator Jeff Halfley 178 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: as to just what all of this forced fumble emphasis 179 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: is all about. And and you wrote you wrote a 180 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: really good story. People can catch that on Packers dot 181 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: com as well, But tell us what we learned there. 182 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was fun. This all kind of started 183 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: last week in one of the team media or not 184 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: team media, but the Packers lockerroom availabilities, where Evan Williams 185 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: was talking about sort of this aggressiveness that we've seen 186 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: in practice, and Matt Lafluur has also talked about the 187 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: saying that this is the hardest he's ever seen his 188 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: defense attack the ball in this setting during his six 189 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: plus seasons as the Packers head coach. And it's not 190 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: a coincidence. This was, as Jeff Hafley confirmed, the number 191 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: one emphasis other than play style, but in terms of 192 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 2: like trying to improve over last year, forcing more fumbles, 193 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: being more deliberate about punching the ball out, especially when 194 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 2: you're taking guys to the ground, and guys have been 195 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: whacking at the ball as we've been talking about some 196 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 2: haymakers and being thrown at the ball, like Jeff Haffley said, 197 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: And the guy that he kind of deputized a little 198 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: bit to handle this is Wendell Davis, who's been a 199 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: quality control coach here for several years for the Green 200 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 2: Bay Packers, and they've now dubbed him the ball King, 201 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: and that is his role at the beginning of these 202 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: team meetings in the defensive side of the ball is 203 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: instructing guys on here's what happened in practice, charting and 204 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 2: taling various different metrics that they keep and presenting them 205 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 2: to the various groups that are involved in this thing, 206 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: challenging them to be better Evan Williams said, you know, 207 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: the number that they're chasing right now is forty three, which, 208 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 2: to what I surmised, was actually the NFL record for 209 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 2: turnover margin in the National Football League. Washington did it 210 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty three. Mark Murphy had nine interceptions on 211 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: that team that year, was a first team All Pro 212 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: and it's basically considered an unbreakable record. I think the 213 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 2: next closest isn't even in the thirties. Yeahs plus turnover margins. 214 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: So but as Halfley said, whatever the case may be, 215 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: whether they're trying to lead the league, whether they're trying 216 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: to break records, it is that diligence to be able 217 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: to chase something better. They had a lot of interceptions 218 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: last year, but he said, we did not force the 219 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: fumble enough. We need to do that more because you're 220 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: not always going to be able to get picked. Sometimes 221 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: you're gonna have to force them in other ways, you're 222 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: gonna have to catch guys off guard. Packers were pretty 223 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: good at it last year. They were tied for eighth 224 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: and forced fumbles, and I believe it was third in 225 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: fumble recoveries. But they want to be able to take 226 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: it a little bit further. That's where that emphasis comes from. 227 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: That's why Wendell Davis has been putting together these productions. 228 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: They mentioned they've even installed a button in the team 229 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: meeting room now so that when you hit it, the 230 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: play is made. A takeover his hat and practice a 231 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 2: siren goes off. I'm sure everybody enjoys that. 232 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: It's like the batsiren or you know, like in the 233 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: bat cave. 234 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: Everybody knows and no, but I mean this is this 235 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: is again nobody's resting on their laurels. Here the best 236 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 2: Packers defensive performance in so many categories since the Super 237 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: Bowl season in twenty ten. Yeah, but it's what can 238 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: we do to get that much further as a team 239 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 2: this season? And the defense has taken that art. 240 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: That must be fun for Wendell Davis to just to 241 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 1: go through the practice film and to find your you know, 242 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: from his point of view, he's finding all the instances 243 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: where the guys went after the ball he wants to show. Okay, 244 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: this is the aggression that they want, et cetera. But 245 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: then you're also finding the opportunities where somebody could have 246 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: gone after the ball he didn't and showing those and 247 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: saying Hey, this was a missed opportunity here, you know, 248 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: et cetera. Again, as I said in our last show, 249 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: there is the caveat to this that the defense is 250 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: not tackling, or at least the first string defense. We 251 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: did see live tackling and practice on Tuesday with some 252 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: of the reserve units. First string units are not doing tackling, 253 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: and as Tucker Craft pointed out, the offensive guys are 254 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: not allowed to stiff arm when in the open field 255 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: in order to protect the football, you know, and to 256 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: keep defenders away. So there are some caveats here to this. 257 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: But also, as I said, training camp is about emphasizing 258 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: certain things. You're trying to get things top of mind, 259 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: get things trained in the brain for when the players 260 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: then put it all together and all of the things 261 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: that they need to do when when the games are 262 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: real and things are live. Man plus forty three, that's yeah, 263 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: I know. I've looked up a few times and the 264 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: number always escapes me, Like the the eighty five Bears 265 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: had like a ridiculous turnover margin. But I want to 266 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: say it was, you know, like plus thirty nine or 267 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: something like that, Like it was it was in the 268 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: upper thirties. 269 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: So what and if you think back to that time, 270 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: being able to take away the football that way but 271 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: then also. 272 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: Protected, yeah, protected at the same time on the other side. 273 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: A lot about with some of those defenses, the Packers, 274 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: because I was looking up some of the Packers records. 275 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: I don't have them all in front of me right now. 276 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: But the record for most turnovers for US, I believe 277 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 2: is actually the nineteen eighty one defense, but unfortunately they 278 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: gave up a bunch of yards and then also they're 279 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: unfortunately with some offensive turnovers too, so that kind of 280 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: affected that margin. But yeah, there are some I think 281 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: it's the Seattle Seahawks of was it nineteen eighty four 282 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: have the record for most turnovers generated in a season? 283 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: Is that what it is? And I believe eighty four Seahawks. 284 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's like I'm gonna get this wrong, 285 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: but I want to say it's like it's sixty nine 286 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: something like that in the modern era, in the post 287 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: nineteen seventies, because I think there's actually like a lot 288 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 2: of very bizarre stats. 289 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's some. There's some crazy. There's some crazy 290 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: numbers from the early days. Nobody's protected the football, Nobody 291 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: cared apparently. 292 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: But but I like what what Jeff Hafley's message was, 293 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: and he did kind of say a tongue of cheeks. 294 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: He's like, I'd like it to be keeping some of 295 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: these secrets here that they're working on. 296 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, he did say, whether you lead. 297 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: The league or not, you cannot lead the NFL in 298 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: these carriots. You cannot have these type of production, in 299 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: this type of success without practicing it, without preparing it. 300 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: He felt like they didn't coach it well enough last season. 301 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: They wanted to change that, and you're seeing that right now. 302 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: Well, a couple other topics to get to, but we 303 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: need to pay some bills first, West, So let's hear 304 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: from our sponsors. Serious XM NFL Radio delivers hard hitting 305 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: analysis and up to the minute NFL news that true 306 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: football fanatics need. 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Six practices in the books, two of them 316 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: and pads another one coming up shortly after Well and 317 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: I turn off the cameras. Here we heard from the 318 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: coordinators yesterday. We talked about what Jeff Hafley discussed one 319 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: of the key topics that came out of Adam Stenovich's 320 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: session with the media, which I wrote about story on 321 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com on this one as well, if you 322 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: want to check it out. Is kind of an early 323 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: look at where things are headed with these competitions on 324 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: the offensive line, and as we talked about all through 325 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: the off season, Jordan Morgan is going to be given 326 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: a chance to compete with Rashid Walker at left tackle 327 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: and with Sean Ryan at right guard for a starting job. 328 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: We don't know exactly where this is going to go 329 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: or how it's going to shake out, but the early 330 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: look is that the coaches are liking what they see 331 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: from Jordan Morgan. And that's not to say that he's 332 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: going to be a starter on this offensive line. What 333 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: I took that to mean is that these competitions are 334 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: potentially going to create some very difficult decisions down the 335 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: road here for the Packers coaches in terms of which 336 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: way they're going to go now, Jordan Morgan hasn't taken 337 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: a whole lot of snaps at left tackle yet because 338 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: of the injuries, the back injuries to both Aaron Banks 339 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,719 Speaker 1: at left guard and Elton Jenkins at center. Morgan has 340 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: been taking a lot of snaps at left guard in 341 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: Banks instead. He's also taken some at right guard and 342 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: while when Sean Ryan has been at center in place 343 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: of Jenkins, but Jenkins has been working his way back. 344 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: We'll see now if Banks starts to work his way 345 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: back into more of a full time workload, and when 346 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: it gets to that point, it sounds like Morgan is 347 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: going to be given some number one reps at left tackle. 348 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: The bottom line is the sense that I get anyway, 349 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: is that these competitions on the offensive line are not 350 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: necessarily going to be decided anytime soon. This could go 351 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: on for a. 352 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: While, yeah, And they want to keep guys going because, 353 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: I mean, when you have this type of versatility, and 354 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: these this amount of depth were going to need all 355 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 2: of it at some point. Jordan Morgan, whether he's a 356 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: Week one starter or not, is going to have a 357 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 2: role on this team this season. He's playing too many 358 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 2: different positions. And we know how dangerous and daring a 359 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: season can be in the National Football League trying to 360 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: get five offensive linemen from point A to point B 361 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: without injury, without incidents. So one of the things I 362 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: really respect about the Matt Lafleur era from when he 363 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: came in the door, and this is a credit to 364 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: Adam Stenovich. Two, they have not been afraid to rotate 365 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: offensive lineman. Yeah, that is how Elton Jenkins got his 366 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: first opportunity in the league. And then what unfortunately ended 367 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 2: up happening that season was Lane Taylor suffers a season 368 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: and an injury in two weeks into that, rotating in 369 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: Elton Jenkins, He's suddenly now your starting left guard yep, 370 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: and ends up having a PFWA all rookie type season. 371 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: The next year he goes to. 372 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: The Pro Bowl. 373 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 2: Sean Ryan, who was the every game starter last year 374 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 2: at right guard, well, how did he finally get his 375 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 2: opportunities in the same year in which John Runyan was 376 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: in a contract year. They started rotating in Sean Ryan 377 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: every other series or every two series to one to 378 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 2: give him some opportunities, to get him going once again, 379 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: to be able to integrate him. And by the way, 380 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 2: did not hurt John Ryan at all. He's still John 381 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: running it all. Got a big contract from the New 382 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: York Giants that offseason. 383 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, he got Ayday. 384 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: But you have to be able to keep guys going 385 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: and you have to give them those opportunities. They are 386 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 2: so deep right now on this offensive line. We haven't 387 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: even talked about Anthony Belton in this camp. 388 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: Right the second round, second round pick. 389 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: There's a lot of teams in the National Football League 390 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: that would draft a left tackle in the second round 391 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 2: and there would be no discussion. You're in the starting lineup. 392 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 2: We need you to contribute from day one. And while 393 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: Belton has endless amounts of potential, Seneta said, you know, 394 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 2: this young man still has a ways to go here. 395 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: We have to get him up to speed with what 396 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: we want to do offensively. When you talk about why 397 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers offensive line has been successful, as 398 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: your story articulated, it comes back to these principles not 399 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 2: throwing guys in bad positions and when they do get 400 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: out there, they know what they're doing. 401 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a long way to go here, and 402 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: we don't know if they are ultimately going to result 403 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: in any rotation starting in week one, but Stenovich did 404 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: not rule that out as a possibility. That may be 405 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: where things go. And we've seen these rotations take a 406 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: couple of different forms. You mentioned the one two seasons 407 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: ago with Sean Ryan and John Runyon at right guard, 408 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: which was started somewhere around mid season, toward the second 409 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: half of the season, and it carried all the way 410 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: through the playoffs. At the same time, there was also 411 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: a rotation going on that season at left tackle between 412 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: Rashid Walker and yosh Niman, but in that case, Rashid 413 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: Walker essentially won the job through those rotations in that 414 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,959 Speaker 1: competition and then he became the full time guy and 415 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: yosh Niman was then on the bench. So these rotations 416 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: can can go different ways, and essentially, if the rotations carry, 417 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: and any rotation carries into the regular season, you have 418 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: to look at it as the competition is still going 419 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: going on. Somebody might win the competition, and then the 420 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: decision is made the good thing for the Packers in 421 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: this even though there is some uncertainty now, and there 422 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: may be some uncertainty at the end of training camp here, 423 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: but the good thing for the Packers in the way 424 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: I articulated it in the story is that if somebody 425 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: is the odd man out at either left tackle or 426 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: right guard, and that player becomes the kind of the 427 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: quote unquote sixth man on the offensive line, your sixth 428 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: man is either a first round pick from last year 429 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: in Jordan Morgan, an eighteen game starter at right guard 430 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: in Sean Ryan, or a thirty five game starter at 431 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: left tackle in Rashid Walker. If those are your options 432 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: for a sixth man on the offensive line, obviously, knock 433 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: on wood that everybody stays healthy, that's not a bad 434 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: spot to be in. And then your seventh guy is 435 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: maybe a second round pick in Anthony Belton or a 436 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: fifth round pick from a year ago in Jacob Monk. 437 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: Sockers are trying to line things up here where guy 438 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: number six, guy number seven, maybe even guy number eight, 439 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: that they're going to feel really really good about their 440 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: depth because you might have ten or eleven on the 441 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: active roster, but you're only going to probably have eight 442 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: of them active on game day, but they want to 443 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: have they want to feel really good about everybody they 444 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: have up through that eight, and that's the spot they're 445 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: trying to get to. And it wouldn't be a bad 446 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: spot to be in up It's. 447 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 2: Not because another thing you mentioned there, what happened when 448 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: Nelton Jenkins was out with the back injury, It was 449 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: Sean Ryan was the one rotating him as the number ones, 450 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: as the center. 451 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: As the center. Yep, he was playing all. 452 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: Those interior spots. This is a guy that was a 453 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: three year starting left tackle at UCLA. It's just the 454 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 2: way of it. It's how these things have to go, 455 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: and it makes guys smarter too. Sewn Seawn even talked 456 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: about it this week. Him playing center has taught him 457 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: so much about the calls and when he's at guard, 458 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 2: what Elton Jenkins is looking for in those situations. And yeah, 459 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: I think iron Sharpen's iron. In the fact that Jordan 460 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: Morgan has been able to come back from that shoulder 461 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: get back to the type of prospect that everybody thought 462 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: he could be, it bodes well for this offensive line 463 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: and where this thing could headen. Twenty twenty five. 464 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: And if Jordan Morgan hadn't gotten hurt, we may have 465 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: seen that rotation at right guard last a lot longer 466 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: last season because that was another rotation that they went with. 467 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: Ryan and Morgan were rotating at right guard. But then 468 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: the shoulder was a problem for Morgan. He needed to 469 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: have surgery, ended his season. They shut him down. But 470 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: now here we are in twenty twenty five. Last thing 471 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: before we go. Family Nights coming up on Saturday night 472 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: at lambeau Field, and I'll just throw this out to you, 473 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: anything in particular you're looking for hoping to see on 474 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: Saturday night under the lights at Lambeau. 475 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: Always interesting, as Matt Lafleurer talked about, to see how 476 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 2: guys respond to these moments. Every year, it seemed like 477 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: during the Aaron Rodgers era, there was always a young 478 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 2: cornerback that stepped up, made a play, kind of made 479 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 2: a name for themselves. There's a bunch of different players 480 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 2: that I think you've seen sort of take what we've 481 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 2: seen in practice and now translate it into a crowd 482 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 2: of seventy eighty thousand people watching those guys rise to 483 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 2: those moments, seeing the energy of that stadium fill up 484 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 2: for the first time now and what's been eight months 485 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 2: is always exciting. And the other part of it, too, 486 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 2: that I think can be a lot of fun is 487 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 2: watching some of the little memories that get made. I 488 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: will forever remember that kiddo that was catching punts last year. 489 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: Oh, that was incredible. 490 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: One after another. He has Rich Basacia behind him. Rich 491 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: is coaching him up like it's the fourth quarter of 492 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Yeah, trying to see if the young 493 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 2: man can catch as many of those footballs as possible. 494 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 2: Keyshawn Nixon, everybody's getting involved. That's what that night is 495 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: all about. It's very special, it's very unique, and in 496 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: addition to helping prep the players for that first preseason game, 497 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 2: which at that point will be a week away against 498 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: the Jets, it also is that reintroduction of football again. 499 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 2: And there is I've said it time and time again, Mike, 500 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 2: I could do this job for another forty years. There 501 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: is no better feeling, there's no better energy when you're 502 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 2: walking into Lambeoufield on a game day. You hear kids laughing, 503 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 2: you smell the brats in the air, There's, you know, 504 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of sunshine involved with it. 505 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: It really does feel like the kickoff of the season. 506 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: When Family Night arrives, it is a different vibe in 507 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: the stadium with the families and the kids, and it's 508 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: really neat in that respect, but it does feel like 509 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: the launching pad to everything that's gonna be coming up 510 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: in September and October and all the way down the line. 511 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: I'm with you. In terms of the action on the field, 512 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: it always seems like, as long as the weather cooperates 513 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: and we don't get storms and all that business, and 514 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: as of now it looks like the weather forecast is 515 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: pretty decent for Saturday Night, it always seems like there 516 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: will be some young player, maybe it's a receiver, maybe 517 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: it's a running back, maybe it's a defensive back or 518 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: a linebacker, somebody who's been essentially running with the threes, 519 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, with the third string units, who will step 520 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: up and make a big play or two on Family Night, 521 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: and then that sort of elevates them up with the 522 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: twos moving into the rest of training camp and into 523 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: the first preseason game and stuff, and then suddenly that 524 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: guy who spent the first week and a half two 525 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: weeks of training camp with the threes is suddenly a 526 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: guy to watch. Maybe as one of those dark horses, 527 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, long shots to make the roster, and just 528 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: maybe a spot on the fifty three is waiting for 529 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: him if he can continue to build on what he 530 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: does on Family Night in front of the big crowds 531 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: and in the big spotlight. And I guess we'll just 532 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: have to see if somebody like that emerges this weekend. 533 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 2: And in so many ways, Mike, this is confirmation of 534 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 2: what a lot of guys will have done through the 535 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: first eight practices. When you see that consistency getting built, 536 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 2: when you see guys stitching together one solid practice after another, 537 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: when you translate it into lambeau Field, I think that's 538 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 2: when you start to realize, Okay, guys like this, there's 539 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: something there. 540 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely well. We will talk about Family Night on 541 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: our next show early next week, but for now we'll 542 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. 543 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: Be sure to follow all of our continuing coverage of 544 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: Training Camp on Packers dot com for Wesiam. Thank you 545 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: for tuning in everybody. We will see you next time. 546 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 2: Mm hmm.