WEBVTT - The Haunting of the Queen Mary 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.040 I feel like I should know a little bit more 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.159 history on the Queen Mary, but I saw it was 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:10.880 on the top ten list of like the most haunted places. 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.320 It is correct, and it is true. I began to 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.279 hear breathing, very faint. At first, I really thought I 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.680 was hearing things, but it became louder and louder, and 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.479 I could finally feel the breath going down the back 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:24.079 of my neck. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:26.400 Have you ever seen anything? 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.880 I've seen glimpses of the corner of my eye. I 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.160 look down the alleyway that I've just been walking down, 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.599 and there's nobody there. You know, there's no place for 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:35.920 them to go. 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:42.520 Hello everyone, I hope everyone is getting ready for Halloween tomorrow. 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:44.559 I definitely am. I can't wait for you guys to 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:46.320 see my costume. I'm not going to tell you what 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.920 it is, so check it out tomorrow. Okay, Halloween is 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:50.960 definitely one of the spookiest times of the year, and 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.360 I'm here for it. As some of you may know, 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.640 I'm really interested in ghosts, spirits, and the paranormal, so 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.680 I thought it could be very interesting to explore some 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.560 of that. On today's episode, We're going to be speaking 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.880 with someone from the Queen Mary in Long Beach, where 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:07.399 I'm from. He's going to fill us in on the 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:11.080 ship's haunted history. So, without further ado, this is Cheekys 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:21.000 and Jill. Here with me today is Commodore Everett Hort. 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.080 He's also a historian who has been with the Queen 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.360 Mary for more than forty years, which means he's probably 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.800 seen and heard a lot of strange things. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.759 On the ship, which I'm excited to hear about. Welcome, Commodore. 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:33.399 How are you. 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.880 Oh, I'm doing very well today. How are you doing? 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:37.800 I'm good. 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.560 You look amazing. I wish people could see what you 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.640 know your your uniform. 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:43.160 I love it. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:45.680 Oh, thank you, thank you very much. 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:47.200 That was great. I'm so excited. 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:48.920 I'm excited to have you because I was born in 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.920 Long Beach and I feel like I should know a 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.680 little bit more history on the Queen Mary. 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:56.080 But that's what we have you for. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.640 So I'm going to learn along with my listeners. I've 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.680 been there before. I just don't know all of the 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.200 hardcore history. So before we get into the haunted stuff, 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.440 I would like you to just give us like an 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.840 overview on the Queen Mary, Like how did it end? 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.000 Up in Long Beach. All that good stuff. 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.080 Well, the Queen Mary was designed all the way back 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:19.080 in the late twenties to operate along with a sister 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.360 ship across the North Atlantic route. It would be the 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:26.080 first and only two ship express service ever and the 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:31.040 ship would serve for thirty one years and warn peace. It, 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:35.040 along with its sister, the Queen Elizabeth, helped shorten World 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.840 War Two by up to a year by its ability 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.560 to safely carry troops across the North Atlantic for the 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.520 build up of Normandy. Oh and of course, by the 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:49.600 sixties but jet aircraft taking over the skies and a 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.239 more efficient way to travel. The Queen Mary used a 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.200 thousand tons of oil every twenty four hours. That's about 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.880 thirteen feet to the gallon if you wanted to pay 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.399 the fuel bial And so the que Nard Lione optingly 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:06.000 ship off because of her magnificent reputation and war and peace, 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.520 they decided that it would go to the highest bidder, 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.840 and the highest bidder was Long Beach, who was looking 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:16.600 for an attraction in a maritime museum. And so that's 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.280 how the Queen Mary came to Long Beach and moreover 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.680 became the face of Long Beach. 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:24.920 Yes, okay, shout out to Long Beach, all right. I 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:25.360 love that. 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.320 I mean, that's the main reason that Long Beach wanted 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:32.520 the ship was because they wanted a basically a landmark 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:34.080 for Long Beach. 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:38.160 Exactly, an icon And there's never been a ship that's 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:42.240 fit as iconic as the Queen Mary, unless perhaps it's 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.160 the Titanic for a completely different reason. But the Queen 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:50.440 Mary was one of the greatest success stories of any 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.920 ship in living memory. I mean, if you think about 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.680 how many people the Queen Mary has actually touched, some 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.520 two point two million peaceful passengers, eight hundred and ten thousand, 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:05.400 seven hundred and thirty military personnel in the war here 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:09.480 in Long Beach since opening in nineteen seventy one, we've 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.160 seen in excess of fifty six million guests to come 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:12.760 through the ship. 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:14.440 You really know your stuff. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.440 Well, I've been hanging around a long time. So why 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:19.400 my hairs great? 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.440 How long have you been there at the Queen Mary? 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:24.560 How long have you been working there? 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.960 I've started the Queen Mary on Valentine's Day in nineteen 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.800 eighty one, and the Queen Mary is a lifelong dream 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:32.320 of mine since I was a little boy. 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.680 You are so awesome. Oh, gonna want to hug you 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:36.560 right now. I love that. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.800 I love to hear when people are so passionate, like 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.320 you probably go to work just happy and so excited 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:43.040 every single day. 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:46.680 Well, I'll tell you, I never I never cease to 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.520 get a thrill when I drive up and there she 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:54.280 is floating so majestically and her custom made birth, and 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.119 she's just the proudest ship I've ever seen in my life. 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.839 Oh, that is so beautiful. That is so beautiful. I 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:01.240 love that. 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.800 And now, I mean, since we're talking about it, since 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.240 you know so much about the Queen Mary, I've heard 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.200 so many things. I believe I went years ago. It 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.800 was like a it's like a haunted dinner. I don't remember. 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.000 It was years ago. So I mean I saw that 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.720 on Time magazine. It was on the top ten list 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.440 of like the most haunted places. Is that correct? 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:22.960 It is correct? And it is true? 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.080 Oh, it is true, okay, because I didn't know if 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:26.840 it was like real. 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.760 They raised in the South where I was raised, if 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:34.480 you mentioned paranormal or supernatural or ghost or anything like that, 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.200 they'd break out the rock, salt and holy water and 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:42.440 fix you about it. So I say that because I 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:46.040 came to California not believing in any sort of ghost 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.680 or anything like that. And for the first four or 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:52.039 five years working here, I crawled in every nook and 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.640 cranny of this ship, and to no avail, nothing happened. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.560 A security guard told me a couple of months after 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:00.679 I started. He says, you know, the shit was haunted. 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.000 While I took it as an insult that something I 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.520 had loved my entire life, you know, was different, but 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:10.000 I didn't understand. I didn't understand what different was. And 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:16.120 I can tell you though, that after about I think 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.039 about four and a half years, it was I was 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:22.280 giving some VIPs a tour of the boiler rooms and 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.680 we were walking along the tank tops and the boilers 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.840 and engines except for one engine room have been removed. 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.080 So when you get all the way forward where the 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.799 valley is, there's one watertight bulkhead that goes from keel 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:38.240 to the main deck, and that's called the collision bulkhead. 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.000 And I was just explaining to my guest how the 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:45.760 Queen Mary had accidentally rammed a British cruiser in World 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.960 War two and split it in Hanat and killed three 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.320 hundred and thirty eight of the cruiser's crew, and I 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:56.680 began to hear breathing on the opposite side of this 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.560 steel bulkhead, and it was very fainted, for I really 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.919 thought I was hearing things. We had just enjoyed the 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.120 Sunday brunch in the Queen Mary, and so I'd had 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.640 a few emosas, and I thought I might be feeling 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:12.880 the effects, but became louder and louder, and I could 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.800 finally feel the breath going down the back of my neck. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.120 And it was at that point my guests looked at 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.800 me and said, maybe we better go up topside. And 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.640 you should have seen three adults clamber up ten decks 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.560 and sit under a lifeboat and look at one another 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.440 and wonder what just happened to them. But that was 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.720 only the first and it became often after that. I 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.040 heard the breathing several more times after that. As a 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:40.760 matter of fact, I still here breathing. Sometimes it's a long, slow, 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:45.640 sort of Darth vadery kind of you know, oh my gosh, 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.360 I know. Sometimes they call your name, stop it right now, 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:54.080 and sometimes they touch you. I mean, I've been different 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:58.080 parts of the ship and just to tap. One time, 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:02.960 I was in my office. In my office that was 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:06.800 really my dressing room. I can put my feet up 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.440 for you know, a few minutes after lunch and rest 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.120 in which I had done, and I had a VIP 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:16.320 coming at two o'clock and I was I've just fell 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.440 into a deep sleep, what can I say? And something 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.000 tapped me on the shoulder and I woke up, and 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.480 I knew my office was locked and no one had 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:29.040 keys to it but me, But so I was pretty 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.400 well awake after that, and it tapped me again on 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:35.120 the shoulder. Oh well, had that not happened, I would 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.400 have missed my appointment, and that would have been a 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:41.480 very bad show for myself and the ship. But this 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:45.680 is not a malevolent place. It's very benevolent. When you 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:49.160 come across the Gangway and the Queen Mary, you feel 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:55.160 the strongest aura of the purest form of history, and 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:57.800 I mean the people that shape the world that we 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.800 live in today. On the lights of the world of Hollywood, royalty, 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:06.160 heads of state, the royal families of Europe and Japan 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.080 and other nations, the Shaw of Iran. They were all 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.920 traveling in this ship in the sea, going days as 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.880 well as the common folk. I mean, you know, the 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.120 Queen Mary was a three class ship. You had first class, 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:25.560 cabin class, and tourist class, so it was a real 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:29.400 mixture of humanity. And a lot of people have asked 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:33.160 me what do I think is the ghost and they say, well, 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.560 did anyone die here? Well, of course people have died here. 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.440 People have been dropping dead all over the world since 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:44.720 time began. That means every freeway, every intersection, every hotel 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:50.360 is probably full of them. But my explanation for the 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:55.319 enchantment of the Queen Mary is a little bit unique, 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:59.720 and I fashioned it toward my own feelings. But I'll 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.640 share with you for what it's worth. If you think 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:08.800 about the amount of labor and human spirit that it 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:13.480 took to construct the ship. Four thousand Scottish shipwrights pounding 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:18.200 rivets in ten million album one at a time, bathing 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:22.640 the interiors with fifty six exotic wood veneers from all 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:26.560 over the British Empire. Another thirty thousand vendors from around 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:31.960 Great Britain, providing anything from textile, silverware crystal art. Thirty 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.680 seven artists would contribute to the Queen Mary's interiors. So 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:40.680 and then the spirit of the passenger. I don't know 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.760 if you've ever been at sea in a ship, but 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.880 when the ship leaves the pier, you become totally dependent 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.600 on the ship. She is your mother, she is your 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:54.840 sustainer of life. And so much life has been through 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.360 this ship, you know, the fifty six million people here, 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:02.960 the two point two million people in peacetime. The gis 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:08.679 So I feel that as human beings, we go and 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.439 we leave a little bit of ourselves as we go. 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.360 And I think that the ship, being put together with 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:19.960 so much human will and love and zeal and that 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:24.200 really matches everything that we have inside us, and I 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.480 think that it picks up a little bit of all 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:30.120 of us. So really the ghosts are all of us 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:31.720 and the ship herself. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:32.840 Yeah. 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.640 I love the way you just stated it. It just 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:39.120 made me see it in a completely different light. Instead 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.680 of saying it's haunted, it's enchanted. I'm like, oh my gosh, yes, 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.960 it's They're probably people that love the ship just as 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.600 much as we all do, and they never wanted to leave, 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.240 so it's not necessarily they're trying to scare you. I mean, like, 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.120 for instance, whoever woke you up was like, hey, you're 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.559 going to miss your appointment. They're actually loving exactly. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:12:03.160 That was a friend indeed that day. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:05.840 I know you have felt things, you have heard things. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.240 Have you ever seen anything like I've never seen a ghost, 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.320 but I have had my share of moments where I've 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.679 heard and felt that breathing that you're talking about before, 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:15.920 But I've never seen anything. 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.040 I've seen glimpses ei the corner of my eye, and 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:23.920 usually it's a person that just goes by me quickly 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.880 and I don't really focus on it, but it was 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:30.120 in my peripheral vision. And then I'll look around and 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.480 of course I look down the alleyway that I've just 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.760 been walking down, and there's nobody there. You know, there's 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:36.880 no place for them to go. 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:37.600 Yeah. 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:43.880 I have seen them a few times, captured in videography. 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.679 A good friend of mine used to work for E 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:51.040 Television and he had a variety of the finest cameras 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.800 in the world. And in twenty eleven he came down 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:58.320 and my wife and some friends we were going through 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:02.479 the dressing rooms in the pool, which the paranormal researchers 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:06.400 insist is a vortex into another universe. Oh, I don't know, 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.200 but I can tell you this we were walking through 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.840 and it's a very narrow alleyway and the little dressing 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.600 cubicles are on each side of the alleyway. It was dark, 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.760 but I could see the room from the pool room 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.720 shining through at the end of the hall, and my 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:23.040 friends in front of me with his camera, walking very slowly, 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.880 and all of a sudden, he grunts, he goes oh. 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.080 He said, I think I need to go check my 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:31.079 blood sugar. I feel dizzy, and I said, okay, yeah, 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:32.840 we'll catch up to you later. Well, he called me 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:34.959 about twenty minutes later. He says, you got to come 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:39.000 see what the camera's shot. And so my wife and 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.280 I went to his cabin and he replayed it for us, 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:46.080 and a very tall, dark figure walked out of a 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.880 steel wall at the end of the alleyway, turned toward us, 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.080 and as it comes closer, you can see the darkness 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.520 getting bigger. Then the pyrus said, the camera goes black. 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:00.720 You hear him grunt, and then it's light again. Oh wow, 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:01.760 look right through us. 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:04.000 Oh my god. 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:09.160 There's a legend crazy. And I'm not able to prove 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.080 this because I read it in a book and I've 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.960 never found it in any of our records. But there's 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:18.079 a legend that there was a night steward that liked 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.920 to get off work and he usually got off his 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.080 watch around two am, and he was friends with one 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.240 of the pool attendants, and so the pool attendant would 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:30.160 leave the key stashed in a special place where he 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.400 could go in and take a steambath every night. Well, 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.760 one night he went in and he turned the valve 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:41.600 too many revolutions, and he got way too hot in there, 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.440 and he had a stroke and died. And so when 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.200 the morning watts came on, they found him in a 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:51.360 very well done condition. And so, you know, goodness is 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.680 to say, I mean, maybe that was that was this 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:57.600 chap that allegedly passed away in there. I don't know. 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.240 Yeah, but oh my goodness, book commodore, you don't seem 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.960 like scared at all. I mean, do you have you 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.360 ever felt afraid? Do you walk around the ship all 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.160 alone when it's dark or I don't know, I feel 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:10.120 like you're just not scared. 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:14.240 Well I'm really not. But if I do get creeped out, 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:18.440 I'll go to another area. And I do get creeped 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:23.040 out occasionally, it's possible to do that. I was during 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:28.720 the pandemic, especially I was here a lot when you know, 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:30.760 there was no one else in the ship. There's just 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:35.480 the security staff outside. And in the afternoons, the you know, 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:39.600 the managing director and his team would leave and go home. Well, 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.600 I was. I was in the archive working and I 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:48.480 was reorganizing and filing photographs, historic photographs. And at the 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.040 top of the stairs, I've got the whole area wired 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.440 down there where everything is. I can hear if somebody 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:58.040 comes through a door, I know if I know how 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.960 many steps there is between that doorway and down to 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.720 where I am. Anyway, I heard the door open up 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:11.520 there and it closed, and there's a landing halfway down, 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.160 and I heard the footsteps go to the middle landing 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:18.920 and they stopped. I'm expecting to see them walk past 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.320 this room where I'm in, and fortunately there's a fence 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.600 on it that I keep locked so people don't spook me. 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:30.240 And the footsteps never continued. They didn't go back up, 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.360 the door didn't open or close, they didn't come down 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:38.240 and walk past me. So after about five minutes, I 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:42.280 was really starting to get wigged out, and I opened 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.440 the chain link gate and I walked to the stairway 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.520 and I looked up and there's nobody on the landing. 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:50.760 So I walked all the way up to the door 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.760 that I heard them come through, and it was locked 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:54.960 from the inside. 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.960 Oh wow, oh my gosh. 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.960 But are there parts of the ship that you feel 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:04.080 are more enchanted, let's say, than other parts that where 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.000 you're like, oh, you think about it twice. 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:11.760 Well, you know, naturally, it's harder to notice things like 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.720 that when you're in a really populated area of the 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:19.639 ship because the ship's you know, her daily organism of 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:24.880 passengers and visitors. Everyone is enjoying themselves, so you don't 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.600 notice it. But if you get down like into the 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:31.320 boiler rooms, it's usually very quiet down there, or where 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.240 the archive is, where my dressing room is. Down there, 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:39.080 it's very very secluded, and you could die down there 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:40.560 and then nobody find you for a month. 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:41.680 What the heck? 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:42.800 Just kidding? 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.880 Have people left to people that started working at the ship, 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:49.119 but the Queen Mary and then just said, you know, 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:50.840 this is too much, I'm leaving. 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:55.000 We've had a couple of people that it was overwhelming 0:17:55.040 --> 0:18:00.159 for them. The story of Cabin B three forty I 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.480 think in the forties, a fellow died of natural causes 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:07.159 in that cabin. And then in the sixties there was 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.240 a night steward that answered a call for a lady 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:14.119 passenger that was awakened by a man who pulled the 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:17.080 covers off of her bed and dropped him at the 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.760 foot of the bed. And then you know, when she 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.400 flicked the light on, he was gone, Oh my god. 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.760 And so the steward came in says, madam, no one's 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.120 come or gone from your cabin all night. And so 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:32.160 that particular cabin B three forty in the mid eighties, 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.119 there was a housekeeper that went there and she cleaned 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.679 the room, and she was finished except for putting the 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.760 towels in the bathroom. And her maid cart was right 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.679 outside the door, so no one could have gone in 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.480 or out without her seeing them. And when she gets 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.080 back in to put the towels up, all the covers 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.919 are pulled off the two beds and wadded in the 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.160 floor at the foot of the bed. And so she quit. 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:02.120 Yeah, I'm sorry. I would have done the same thing. 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.200 I would have been like, you know what, as much 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.200 as I love you, Queen Mary and I appreciate you, 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.240 I'm sorry. That's what I commend you, and I admire 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:10.879 you for the love and the passion that you have 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.360 for this ship because I don't know. 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:15.480 I just I don't know if I could do it. 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.240 Well, you could, because all you have to remember is 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:21.639 they can't hurt you unless you fall running. 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:32.080 Has anyone ever come to the ship to try to 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.800 get rid of, you know, the spirits in any way, 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.400 because you know they have rituals and things like that. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:39.800 Has anyone tried. 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.439 Not that I know of, but I'm sure they probably have. 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.400 Yeah, I mean, I feel like if they're not bothering, 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.240 I mean, they're kind of scaring you. They could freak 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.080 you out, keep you out a little bit. But that's 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:50.639 what my mom would always say. She's like, you know what, 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.919 you got to be afraid of living people because they 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.600 can really hurt you, these ghosts or spirits or souls. 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.000 Someone told me don't ever follow them if they tell 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.159 you come and you start following, Like, don't do that. 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:03.560 But I mean, I guess if you see it that way, 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:04.119 you're right. 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.320 My mom, she's right, You're mama so wisely. 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.840 Yes, right, yes, yes she is, yes she is well. 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.639 But you know, I just don't let them unnerve me. 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:18.000 I love the Queen Mary so much and her indigenous 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:22.440 magic is so compelling to me that it's really a feature. 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:26.719 And over the years, the paranormal activity has really become 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.840 a golden rivet for the ship, if you will, Yeah, 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:35.160 because it captures people's interest that would not normally visit 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.560 the Queen Mary, and especially a lot of youngsters. You 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.800 know that they're not as enthralled with history as somebody 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:45.200 like myself might be. But maybe if they come here 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:50.240 on a paranormal hunt or something like that, then they 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:52.679 might hear some of the history of the ship, and 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:56.080 they do quite often, and they come away with a 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.080 different view of the Queen Mary and what it means. 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:00.560 It is meant. 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:03.320 Yeah, in this short conversation, that's how I feel. I feel. 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:05.760 I feel like I've always loved the Queen Mayor because, 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.000 like I said, I'm from Long Beach, but now speaking 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:10.440 to you, I see it in a different way. 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:12.040 So I thank you for that. 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.000 And now that we're talking about paranormal like tours, tell 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:18.520 us a little bit more about some that you guys have, like, 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.520 for instance, the Gray Ghost Project. 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:24.919 Yes, the Great Ghost Project is going to be a 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:30.560 new paranormal investigation. And when I say that, it means 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:36.639 that our master investigator and illusionist, Aiden Sinclair will be 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:43.400