1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of I Heart Radio. Hey, 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Dutton, you know what's ridiculous, Yes I do. Saron Burnett, 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: you know it's ridiculous. Chet Hanks, the progenitor of White 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: Boys Summer. Yes he is ridiculous. No offense, Tom and Rita. 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: But also consider a criminal gang of nuns who say, 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: you know what, forget the church, let's go buy a 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: castle the south of France and run away forever. I 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: like it. I know they just go on the run 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: like big time criminals, and this is their story. If 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: you have the power of like, you know, God on 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: your side. Who can stop you? No one, only God 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: can judge you. M h. I'm Sarry Burnette and welcome 13 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: to Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, 14 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: heists and cons. It's always murder free and always ridiculous. Elizabeth, 15 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: this episode, I want to talk to you about nuns. Now, 16 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: we both went to Catholic school, so we may have 17 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: some opinions about this, but this story, I don't think 18 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna see it coming. Yeah. So imagine you're in Belgium, 19 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: right and you're a nun and you're really piste off 20 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: with the church. You have a convent, you have all 21 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: these holy relics, all these really valuable artwork, and you're like, 22 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: you know what, we don't need all this, so you 23 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: decide to like liquidate and cut and run. How great 24 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: would that be? Amazing? Right? Okay, picture it m you're 25 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: in the picture. Askue European town of Bruges. Do you 26 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: know Bruge. It's like that from the movie in Bruges, 27 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: like with the Colin Farrell. So it's like a Luxembourg 28 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: style but it's Belgian, you know, cutesie little European town. 29 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: It looks somewhat like it's post medieval, right, Okay. In 30 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: the center of Bruges there is a convent. This convent 31 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: has burnt around for six hundred years and since it's 32 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: now in the center of Bruges, it is hyper valuable. 33 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: So the Catholic Church is like, well, you know, we 34 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: got all these old nuns sitting there in this convent 35 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: in Belgium. Almost all of them are over eighty years old. 36 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: They're not getting any new young nuns to come into 37 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: the order. We'll probably need to break up this order. 38 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: So let's see how do we divvy up what these 39 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: nuns have, Well, that's the plan from the bishops, take right. 40 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: But the nuns when they hear word of this, they're like, wait, 41 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: hold up. We spent all these decades building up all 42 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: this value in this convent, maintaining it, creating all these assets, 43 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 1: collecting this artwork, housing these holy relics, and what is 44 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: our reward at the end. You're just going to take 45 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: all this stuff and give it back to the church 46 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: and then just separate us out, scattered to the winds. 47 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: We're not into it. So they hear these rumors that 48 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: the bishop plans to break up the order. They decide 49 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: to work with their handyman and make him their financial director, 50 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: and they start quietly selling off all of their property. 51 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: For two years. They don't let anybody know what they're doing. 52 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: They sell off all of the valuable artwork, they sell 53 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: off the holy relics. They start selling off property until 54 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: finally the bishop catches wind. Now what do you think 55 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: the bishop's response is going to be? Oh, he comes 56 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: down hard. Bishops. Bishops don't play around, no, not at all. 57 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: So here we are in January. These sisters are called 58 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: the Order of the Poor Claires. They sell they're six 59 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: year old convent for one point for million dollars. That's 60 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: nine nine money, which you be about two point eight 61 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: million dollars now, and they sell their real estate to 62 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: a local consortium of textile manufacturers. Right, so these big 63 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: business people get their hands on the convent. They take 64 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: the proceeds this one point four million dollars plus all 65 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: the money they've also gathered from selling off the holy 66 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: relics and the artwork. So they got more than one 67 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: point for a million. They got a few million. So 68 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: they go and they buy a castle in the south 69 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: of France. They buy a farmhouse in the south of France. 70 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: They buy a fleet of Mercedes Sedans, they buy a 71 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: Cadillac Seville, they buy eleven race horses, and they break 72 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: They decide like this is it. The big day arrives 73 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: in January of nineteen ninety and now for me, I'd 74 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: like to imagine they wake up that morning, the sun 75 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: is shining, they know what they're gonna do. They start 76 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: loading up into their fleet of brand new Mercedes. Now, 77 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: the one thing about these Mercedes, you have to picture 78 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: of them. These are like late eighties Mercedes, that classic right. Uh, 79 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: you would see this like I don't know in cons 80 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: like just lines of celebrities getting out of these. But 81 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: they also have this rental limousine Mercedes that they take 82 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: that looks like something the Saudi Royalty would roll in. 83 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: So imagine eight nuns leaving their convent like five am 84 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: in the morning when they normally get up, they load 85 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: up in the Mercedes limo, and then they also have 86 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: purchased an ambulance. Why did they need an ambulance in 87 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: case they wreck one of the Mercedes. Very responsible nuns, right, 88 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: all nuns are responsible. Those late eighties Mercedes is such 89 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: a classic body design. Yeah. I had one of those 90 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: for a while. How do you like it? I loved it. 91 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: We called it the Probable Cosmobile because it was like 92 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: like a three eighties Sedana and it was like an 93 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: eighty eight or eighty nine, and the windows were blacked 94 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: and it passed. When I registered with the California DMV, 95 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: they went out, you know, they look at the car 96 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: to make sure that the vin is correct. They didn't 97 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: say thing about the glass being too dark. I got 98 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: pulled over all the time. So these nuns have a 99 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: fleet of Probable Cosmobiles, and they also have the Saudi 100 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: Royalty limo and then they have pulling up in the 101 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: caboose of this like a caravan, is an ambulance that 102 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: they purchased for year old sister Agnes. Now, Sister Agnes 103 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: doesn't walk, she can't see and she can't hear, but 104 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: she's gonna make the run to the south of France. 105 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: So they get her her own ambulance so that way 106 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: she has all the medical attention she'll need. And they 107 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: cut and that's when they make their run for the 108 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: South of France. Why do I feel like Sister Agnes 109 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: was probably like a real firecracker. Oh, definitely in the day. 110 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: She's probably the feistiest of them all. She's refusing to die. Yeah, 111 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: you're completely and also not just that, refuses to miss 112 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: out on the front. She's like, I maybe next to death, 113 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: but I'm still on this side of the grass rolling. Yeah, 114 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: She's like, pop the ivy and let's go. Wait. So 115 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: they have an ambulance that they have to hire like 116 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: a crew of um. I read a bunch of French 117 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: newspaper story accounts. There's no mention of a medical staff 118 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: attending to her. I think they just wanted to have 119 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: the defibrillator at hand, so they probably and she probably 120 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: had to be reclined, and they had another nun driving. Yeah, 121 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: like whoever's the best driver had to drive well. Also, 122 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: it could have been their man, Ronnie Crabbe, who was 123 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: originally the groundskeeper, fix it man and driver, so he 124 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: very well likely could have been the driver of the 125 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: ambulances at the wheel. Yeah, Ronnie steady rolling right, So 126 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: that's uh. Were they wearing habits, That's a good question 127 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: from our producer, Professor Emeredis Dave Kuston esquire. Were they 128 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: wearing habits? They were wearing habits. They're rocking. These are 129 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: Belgian nuns who are like basically the equivalent of Orthodox nuns. 130 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: So these nuns are they live in medieval lifestyles. They 131 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: get up like four in the morning, they go on 132 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: the water all the animals. They collect eggs from the 133 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: locals that they then trade basically spiritual grace with for 134 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: their like sustenance. And they live without any of the 135 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: modern necessities you would think of. So they have no 136 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: central heating, no central air. They have cold water pumps 137 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: for all their their groundwater. These are women who are 138 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: basically living in central Bruge next to a place called 139 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: the Lake of Love, mind you, and they are. Even 140 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: though they are in a basically very modern part of 141 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: the city, they themselves live in almost complete medieval standards 142 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: where they cloister. Do you think, um, there's no mention. 143 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: They are an order of nuns that are dedicated to 144 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: a life of absolute poverty. And what I found interesting 145 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: about this is, and I didn't know this. Did you 146 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: know that priests do not have to take a vow 147 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: of poverty? Nuns do? Did you know that priests do 148 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: not have to take a vow of chastity but nuns do. Yeah. 149 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: Turns out that this is a common misconception. So according 150 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: to Franciscan Missionaries dot com, one of right Franciscan Missionaries 151 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: dot Com is the hebitating side quote. One of the 152 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: most common misconceptions about the Catholic priesthood is that all 153 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: priests take a vow of poverty. In fact, most do not. 154 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: They make quote promises of obedience to their bishop, chastity, 155 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: and to pray the Liturgy of the hours. Now compare 156 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: that to nuns. Meanwhile, in convents, this is from the 157 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: Washington Post. In convents across the country, elderly women who 158 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: have dedicated their lives to serving God, sometimes spend their 159 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: last days subsisting on welfare benefits, unable to afford prescription 160 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: drugs or even a timely burial. I got one other 161 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: quote I'd like to give you about nuns, just to 162 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: put this in context. Already quote nuns, this is from 163 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: the Washington Post are usually paid about half of what 164 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: is made by typical secular workers. So the people who were, like, 165 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, the admin at the church, who's like working 166 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: at the rectory, they make more than the nuns, about 167 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: twice as much. Now, returning to the quote, as religious 168 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: orders of nuns look to younger sisters to support the 169 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: eldest in their final years, they're finding that the stipends 170 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: that they receive do not cover their costs. And with 171 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: a dramatic decline in vocations for nuns in the Catholic 172 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: Church since nineteen sixty five, basically since Vatican too, there 173 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: is even less money coming in to meet the needs 174 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: of the aged nuns. So we have a huge bias 175 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: in the Catholic Church where they are the priests do 176 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: not have to have these vows of poverty, the vows 177 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: of obedience to their bishop or whatever, and the nuns do. 178 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: So sounds about accurate, right, I've seen it. Yeah, so 179 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: let's put a pin in that and will come right 180 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: back with more from these rogue nuns who I am 181 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: rooting for me and we're back now. Did you know 182 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:32,599 Speaker 1: in the idea of nuns going rogue and criminal was 183 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: kind of in the air. Yeah, there was. Actually three 184 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: months after these Belgian nuns went on the run, there 185 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: was a movie called Nuns on the Run starring former 186 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: Monty Python Eric Idol and a British actor, Robbie Coltrane. 187 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: Were they portray nuns who go undercover in a convent 188 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: after stealing a bunch of money from their old criminal 189 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: gang and then trying to make it to Brazil. So 190 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: this was kind of like a zeitgeist thing. You remember that, right, 191 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: Remember that movie. It was not a great movie. It 192 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: was fun. What that's my favorite movie? I take it all, 193 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: but still is. I have eight copies on DVD, so 194 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: it's your citizen game. Yeah, it's my Yeah, so I 195 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: don't I've never seen it? Yeah, well you know it's 196 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: it's um. You could go the rest of your days 197 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: without having seen it and not really miss anything. But 198 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: at the same time, it's better than dental surgery. So 199 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: there is that, But focus on how this came to 200 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: be of these nuns going on the run. Now for 201 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: the movie, obviously with a screenwriter, but for these actual 202 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: nuns on the run, their inspiration was the aforementioned Ronnie Crabb, 203 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: now Ronnie Crab, who's got just a great name for 204 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: the type of person he is is basically this I 205 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: don't even quite know what to call him, because he's 206 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: not just a con man. He comes to the church 207 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: as recommended by the bishop. He's a protege of a 208 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: friend of the bishop. So the bishop says, hey, I 209 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: got a job for this kid. Kid goes and is 210 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: working at the convent. He's their lawnmower guy. He's their 211 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: fixed handyman guy. He's their driver, he's their extra hands. 212 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: But he also, for whatever reason, seems to be charming. Now, 213 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: although he is a thirty year old Belgian man and 214 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: most of these nuns are in their eighties, they somehow 215 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: get along and over time he convinces them that they're 216 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: being done dirty by the church, and he's like, because 217 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: they probably were, Oh he's not wrong. Does does he 218 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: wear short cut off jeans when he does the lawn. 219 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: Can't you just see him out there like Joe dirt 220 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: but a heavy sweater. I could totally see that. He's 221 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: a like, I don't know, like I kind of picture 222 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: him like the star of a bad summer teen comedy 223 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: where he's the villain kid. You know, this is like 224 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: him before he's in the movie. This is like what 225 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: he was doing before he became a bad executive. His 226 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: origin story exactly. So Ronnie Crabb is hanging out with 227 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: the nuns and he starts like trying to teach them 228 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: about modern life. This is according to Ronnie Crabb. He starts, 229 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, explaining to them that there are these tastes 230 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: of pleasure that they have not known. And they start 231 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: to listen to him, and apparently the mother superior, Sister Anna, 232 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: she decides, you know what, screw the church. The bishop 233 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: is trying to break us up. After all we've done, 234 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: Ronnie Crabs, right, we are gonna sell off all this stuff. 235 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: And Ronnie Crabb is gonna help us get out of town. 236 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, we're gonna sell the convent. I 237 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: got this castle down to the south of France, and 238 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: he had a castle in the south of France, or 239 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: he had a line on he had a line on 240 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: a castle in the south of France. Because remember he 241 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: hooks them up with the consortium of textile businesses that 242 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: want to buy the convent. I wanted to this business 243 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: community outside the convent. Yeah, I wanted to ask you 244 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: about the textile consortium. Did they want to turn the 245 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: convent into like a factory? What were they going to 246 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: do with it? They had a cu all ideas. They 247 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: wanted to turn it into something for a factory, like 248 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: a centralized factory. They also thought about basically, it is 249 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: nine so there was a housing boom at the time. 250 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: They're thinking about turning it into you know, uh, updated 251 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: housing where you take some old structure and then you 252 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: add some modern efficiencies and amenities and all of a 253 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: sudden you make it into like a cool place to live. 254 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: That was their plan, except for Belgian law indicated that 255 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: that had to be a convent. It couldn't be anything else. 256 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: So what did they do. They decided to try to 257 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: make a plan to sell the convent as individual convents 258 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: that somebody could live in. So they used the word 259 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: convent and expanded its meaning and said, oh yes, you 260 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: can come here and stay at this nonprofit association and 261 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: own a part of the convents. They basically tried to 262 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: turn the convent into condos, but still call it a convent. 263 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: The Belgian did not go for that. That's like the 264 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: worst investment idea I've heard. Yeah, it's good. They well, 265 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: the typical businessmen, you know, they're just like, oh, yeah, 266 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: this value, I can see. I can sell this to 267 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: twenty thirty five year olds for huge profits. And they're like, 268 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: nobody wants to live in a convent, dude, even if 269 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: it's next to the Lake of Love. They're like, no, no, 270 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: they would this will be great. No hot water, no, no, no, 271 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: none of the modern amenities. But they would have added 272 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: that we But so Ronnie crab is basically he's got 273 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: all of these nuns all lined up and fired up 274 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: to go run to this way to the south of France. 275 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: They sell off all the property, all the holy relics, 276 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: all the art in the convent, and they make their 277 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: move in January. They actually escape, They get away and 278 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: they go down and they're living in the castle. And 279 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: he was cool about it. He had a pool installed 280 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: in the castle. They had all these luxury food in 281 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: the refrigerator. He had them live in large. He was 282 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: selling them on the idea of you need to know 283 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: these modern luxuries you've never known, and so they go 284 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: for it. I mean they had eleven horses. Now they 285 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: some debate if the horses were for food or for pleasure. 286 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: But regardless, well not that kind of pleasure. There's still nuns. 287 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: I think they just wanted to ride them. I don't 288 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: know if they wanted to ride them. Now, Ronnie crap 289 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: has one problem. Can you guess what it is? Crabs? 290 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. Ronnie Crabb has one problem. He's got 291 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: the nuns down to the south of France, so what 292 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: could possibly be his problem? Everything's worth no but good guests, 293 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: very good guess. Turns out there is one nun. He's like, 294 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: I don't trust this dude. He's candious. Her name is 295 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: Sister Clara. The Sister Clara is a novice nun. She's 296 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: new to the order. She's still got the ardor of 297 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: coming into the church. While all the older nuns have 298 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: been in the church and they're losing something. She has 299 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: something to gain a lifetime in the church. So she 300 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: goes to the Belgian authorities. After she goes to the 301 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: bishop and says, this Ronnie Crab has been psychologically abusing 302 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: the women. He's been physically abusing the women. He's extorted them, 303 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: he has embezzled them, he has swindled them. And the 304 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: bishops like, this works for me, Let's take this to 305 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: the police. So he then has Sister Clara right out 306 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: in Affid David. She gives it to the Belgian authorities 307 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: a budget. Authorities are like wait what they did? What? 308 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: And now you know the bishop He's like, yes, you 309 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: have to do something about this because I told them 310 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: they cannot sell the convent because it belongs to the 311 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: Church of Rome. But the Church of Rome doesn't have 312 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: police like that, so they can't stop them. So we 313 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: have to have the Swiss Guard. Well that's to protect 314 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: the pope. They don't have somebody going around like you know, 315 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: like c s I team that they handled out property 316 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: issues for the bishop. Yeah, and like their little fancy 317 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: lad outfits, and they just send them out to dispatch 318 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: them to the holy water kits and fingerprint kits, holy 319 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: water and a scort gun. That is amazing. It's action action. 320 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: So the bishop goes to the police because he needs 321 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: secular power. In this instance, there's nothing he can do 322 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: because the nuns weren't listening to him. So he goes 323 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: to the cops, and the cops say, okay, they started 324 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: an investigation. They sequester all of the funds that the 325 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: nuns have put in the bank. They still have access 326 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: to the bank, so they lock out the sisters from 327 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: their money. Then they go heading down to find where 328 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: they are down in the South of France. Now, if 329 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: I say the South of France, what do you picture 330 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: lavender fields? Lavender fields? Right, so you feel you figure 331 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: like Provence, or maybe do you picture the French Riviera 332 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: ever or the wine country? Yeah, yeah, I would say, 333 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: Or maybe they went to a yeah, exactly, all beautiful locations, right, 334 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: they did not go there. This is not the South 335 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: of France they went to he shouldn't even really be 336 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: called the South of France. It's more like they went 337 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: to southern France. They ended up in the Pyrenees, in 338 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, working class industrial town, in a 339 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: castle outside of this working class industrial town called Tarbs, 340 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: and it is basically right above the border of Spain 341 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: in the Pyrenees mountains, like Basque country kind of Yeah, 342 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: but not even the cool part. It's it's just a 343 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: town that has been where they military used to make bullets. 344 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: That's their big industry, bullet makers. So the nuns are 345 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: living yeah yeah, Well there's castles all over Europe and 346 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: that's just they just litter that place. But the nuns 347 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: are in a town known for making bullets. That's where 348 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: Ronnie Crabs set them up to live out their golden 349 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: years and enjoy the luxuries of modern life. So Ronnie Crabb, 350 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: they start to realize may not have had their best 351 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: interests at heart. I believe Sister Clara. Yep, Sister Clara 352 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: is like, see, I told y'all not to do this. 353 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: Now we have to go back to these bishop. The 354 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: bishop is more than problematic, you know, like I'd say, 355 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: most bishops you can make the arguments are problematic, right, 356 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: but this bishop, he has had an issue with the 357 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: Mother Superior, Sister Anna. Sister Anna and the Bishop have 358 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: been going back and forth for years about whether or 359 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: not she's going to listen to what the bishop has 360 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: to say. The Bishop is always like, you guys at 361 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: the at the convent need to do X, Y and Z, 362 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: and she's like, we'll do X, I mean no, you 363 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: need to do X, Y and Z. He's like, no, no, no, 364 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: we're we have been doing this longer. So they have 365 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: basically a power struggle. So he starts putting into play 366 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: his plan to seize their convent. She recognizes that she 367 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: starts selling out. The nuns all make their plan and 368 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: they get away. Now that was the story that Ronnie 369 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: Crabs lawyers tell. Apparently, Sister Anna and the Bishop had 370 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: a heated moment just before they left town. The Bishop 371 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: shows up on a Tuesday night under the cover of darkness. 372 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: He shows up at the convent. He has not been 373 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: allowed into the convent. The convent. He's demanded their books 374 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: because he knows he's heard that they're selling off stuff. 375 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: He wants to see it and that they have to 376 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: submit their financial accounting to him. They won't do it, 377 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: so he shows up with the convent and demands to 378 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 1: see them. Sister Anna is like, all right, come on in, 379 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: So they go and they have their little talk. Now 380 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: this is like about eleven PM, and according to Mother 381 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: Superior Sister Anna, the Bishop tries one last time to 382 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: convince her to side with him on this and have 383 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: the sale of the convent canceled and she's like, no, son, 384 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: I ain't doing that. And he's like, wall, wait a minute, 385 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: wait a minute. I order you, by the power of 386 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: Rome to do this. Isn't me asking. The Pope wants 387 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: this done. If you don't do this, you'll be dismissed 388 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: from the church. And she's like, uh no, he should 389 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: have tried it. By the power of grace Skull or 390 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: the power of grace land, I mean, there's the other 391 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: more powerful. And like when a bishop or like a 392 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: month senior rolls up to your house and makes those 393 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: kind of demands, like say, if you had skipped out 394 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: on confirmation class a bunch of times and the on 395 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: senior comes to your house, it's like a personal story, 396 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,959 Speaker 1: but go on, you know, it's just you know, hypothetically, 397 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: if if you kept skipping and he comes to your 398 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: house and says, by the power of the Church of Rome, 399 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: it's it's intimidating. Oh that's what he's counting on. But 400 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: times have changed, so Sister Anna is like, I'm not 401 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: into it. She recognizes what the bishop is trying to do. 402 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: If he removes her as the head of the convent, 403 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: she loses the authority to prove the sale. He gets 404 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: power back over the sale. She recognizes this is not 405 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: about the nuns of the convent. He's just trying to 406 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: run a power game on her. So she's like no. 407 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: In fact, not only do I say no, but we're 408 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: gonna leave in the days to come. So the bishop, 409 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: she tells him, they don't just run away. She tells 410 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: them we're fleeing. And then a couple of days later 411 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: they make their cut. So now the bishop, using this 412 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: other sister Sister Clara and her like affidavit against Ronnie Crabb, 413 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: has had the cops go down and retrieve the nuns. Meanwhile, 414 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: the nuns have discovered down in the south of France 415 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: or southern France, that they are living in a place 416 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: once again has no central air, no central heat, but 417 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: also has huge holes in the roof and is a 418 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: stone building. And it's winter time. So they're sitting there 419 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: in a old ass castle in January, freezing their old 420 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: asses off. Sister Agnes and poor sister a little sister Agnes. 421 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: You can't see, can't here, can't walk, but she's cold, 422 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: darn cold. In fact, she's not long for this world. 423 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: But she does get to enjoy her final moments with 424 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: her sisters free from the bishop. That is the good 425 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: news about Sister Agnes. Now, as soon as the sisters 426 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: leave and they have been alone, the Bishop has been 427 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: working with the powers that be and he's the one 428 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: who gets the police to go down there and grab them. 429 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: Now the question is is where is Ronnie Crabb? Oh? 430 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: I think Ronnie Crabs in the wind. Now, let's put 431 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: a pin in that. I'll get back to you with 432 00:24:54,480 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: that after this ad break. So back to our story, 433 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: Ronnie Crab, where's our man, Ronnie Crab. Ronnie Crab is 434 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: at the premiere of Nuns on the Run in Circus 435 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: close but no cigar. Nope. He actually was down in 436 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: the south of France with the nuns and he is 437 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: arrested by a Belgian authorities on February and brought back 438 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: to Belgium. He is arrested on charges of swindling, abuse 439 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: of trust, elder abuse, and they seize the farmhouse, the castle, 440 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: the fleet of cars. They seize everything and Ronnie Crab. 441 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 1: So now the sisters are living there still underseas property, 442 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: so they no longer get to own it. Ronnie c 443 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: Ab is taken away from them, and the bishop thinks, 444 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: I've gotten everything I want back, right. Well, it turns 445 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: out no, because when Ronnie Crabb goes to court, he 446 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: gets a lawyer who starts getting the nuns to turn 447 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: on the bishop so that the lawyer, his lawyer has 448 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: this one sister Josephine, and she's like, we did this 449 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: all according to our right minds. This we wanted this 450 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: to do this. Ronnie Crab had nothing to do with this. 451 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: The nuns start defending Ronnie Krab, but it turns out 452 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: that was not the best move because although they defended 453 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: Ronnie Crab, Ronnie Crab had actually been embezzling from them. 454 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: There's ten million dollars missing out of all the money 455 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: that they were able to gather up from their artwork, 456 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: hold on ten millionllion dollars and that's missing. So is 457 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: that there's still some because the lawyer says, all the 458 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: money that they they're trying to gather should be easily found. 459 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: It's all in bank accounts or the houses or the cars. 460 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: You just sell that stuff and you'll get your money back. 461 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: What they do ten million dollars short ten million, So 462 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: this is all like from the stuff that they sold 463 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: inside the convent because of what the convent was like 464 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: one point something at one point formula. And then interestingly, 465 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: the bishop and Ronnie Crabb have a back room deal 466 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: going on because the bishop knows Ronnie Crabb knows the 467 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: commercial interest that he sold the convent to. The bishop 468 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: just wants the property back. He doesn't really care about 469 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: anything else, so he goes to Ronnie Crab, you can 470 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: get me that property back. We can make this good. 471 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: And the readisn't we know this is Ronnie Crabb's lawyer 472 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: keeps telling things that nobody should know except for the bishop. 473 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: When he gives his press conferences, He's like, well, the 474 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: Ronnie Crabb says, the nuns will do this. Ronnie Crabb says, 475 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: the nuns will do that. Everything he says turns out 476 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: to be true and all contingent upon the bishop. So 477 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: it turns out that it looks like Ronnie Crab and 478 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: the Bishop basically make a backroom deal. Thirty nine days 479 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: after him being arrested, charges are dropped, Ronnie Crabb is 480 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: allowed to go free. What does he do? He writes 481 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: a book about it, where he casts himself as the 482 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: libertine bon vivant who teaches these medieval nuns how to 483 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: once again live. He calls the book now forgive my 484 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: Belgian on this deshat von de r McLaren, which means 485 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: the Treasures of the Poor Claire's. Yeah, and in this book, 486 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: he says. The book is quote about how the nuns, 487 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: who until then had lived in cloisters, decided to set sail. 488 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: A young man served as their guide. Yeah, I'll just 489 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: let that statement sit there on its own. So they 490 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,239 Speaker 1: were living in cloisters, so they couldn't even talk to 491 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: each other. No, because I don't think he's right about blisters, 492 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: like in terms of the like the cells in which 493 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: they slept exactly. I don't think they were silent nuns. 494 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: They didn't have that, because you'll understand later why that is. 495 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: So this book then gets turned into a TV movie. 496 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: It's called ing Passe once Again forgive my Belgian, and 497 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: was made for Belgian and French television. I tried to 498 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: find this movie because I wanted to see how he 499 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: portrayed himself and what the medieval nuns look like. All 500 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: I could find were absolutely terrible reviews. Apparently people still 501 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: those who remember this movie hated it. So who played 502 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: who played Ronnie Crab in the TV movie Oh, a 503 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: French actor that neither of us knows. That would be hilarious. 504 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: What a remake that would be. Jean Claude van Dam 505 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: with a bunch of nuns and he teaches them how 506 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: to live and how to kick. They're just a mesmerized 507 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: by the power of his thighs. Well, they've never seen 508 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: anything like that. So one year after that TV movie 509 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: comes out the nuns who meanwhile have been basically fighting 510 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: with the church to stay together and to keep their order. 511 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: They've been sequestered into two not luxury apartments, but nice 512 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: apartments in Bruges on the coast right, so they're basically 513 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: put up together. There's eight of them. They're staying in 514 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: apartments where there's like kind of for and for, so 515 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: they're not doing great. Sister Agnes passes away. Um they're 516 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,239 Speaker 1: allowed to stay together, which was a big important thing 517 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: for Sister Anna, the mother superior. She's been fighting for 518 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: that after they lost her property. She did not want 519 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: them to be scattered to the wind by the bishop, 520 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: so she fights for that and that's about the only 521 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: thing they managed to pull off. So is the diocese 522 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: footing the bill for this or that is a larger order, 523 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: or their sisters of the Poor Claire and other locations. 524 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: There are other Sisters of the Poort Claire, but they 525 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: are a very small order relative to the other nuns. 526 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: And what they have is the churches primarily paying for 527 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: their old age care. But the church doesn't really want 528 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: to because these nuns, you know, did what they considered 529 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: to be an a legal move, and they still want 530 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: to punish them. So they basically make the Belgian state 531 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: pay for them as old infirmed people, which the Belican 532 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: state does for all of its old infirmed people. So 533 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: they're basically living on welfare, so the church does not 534 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 1: really look out for them. Now at that same on 535 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: that same time, after they see the TV movie come 536 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: out and then they know that there's there's this missing 537 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: ten million dollars, they decide to sue Ronnie Crab and 538 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: they bring him back into court and he's found to 539 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 1: be basically a bad dude, but it's not guilty of embezzlement. 540 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: They cannot nail him on this. He gets away again. 541 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: Now what does he do? What's the next time we 542 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: see Ronnie Crab pop up into headlines. Ronnie Crab. Okay, 543 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: so you've got a con man, swindler, Belgium con mander, guru, 544 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: good close guests, politics, well kind of same stuff, you know. 545 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: So he gets involved in what's called n v A. 546 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: N v A is a Flemish conservative political party. They 547 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: are kind of the Belgium first like far right party. Now, 548 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: this is part of a Flemish movement in the which 549 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: is like a nationalist movement. Now, what do we know 550 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: about these nationalists movement? They usually rely on religious conservatives 551 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: and having a party leader who has basically ripped off 552 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 1: a bunch of aged nuns not a good look for business. 553 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: So the ultra conservatives are like, look, Ronnie Crab, you 554 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: gotta get out of here. Man. He's like, what, just 555 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: because I did a little jail time ripping off some 556 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: nuns I was a young man. What They're like, no, no, no, 557 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: And so he goes and disappears. And that's the last 558 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: we hear of Ronnie Crab Right now. The best part 559 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: of this story for me, at least as a you know, 560 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: a former Catholic, you know, because we both went to 561 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: Catholic school. Right now, you had mostly nuns, right, I 562 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: did the high school that I went to as an 563 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: all girls high school and it was attached to a convent, 564 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: and it was half of those giant, old, gorgeous building 565 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: and half was the high school and half was the convent. 566 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: And if you like I did, tore your knee up 567 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: in sports and had to wear a mobilizer. We got 568 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: to use the elevator in the convent and it was 569 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: one of the old ones with the gate. It allowed 570 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: me to walk through the convent every day to get 571 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: because there was a three story building in order to 572 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: get to class. And you got to see how the 573 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: nuns lived there, Yeah, and it was it was. They 574 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: took the poverty thing seriously. They had really bare cots 575 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: in their rooms and um they had a parlor with 576 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: a radio and they were all like super Oakland as fans. Yeah, yeah, 577 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: it was all all we all were are. And they 578 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: would listen to the games on the radio. And parents 579 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: were always saying we could buy you a TV and 580 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: they said, no, we don't want it. And then their 581 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: kitchens were always bear and parents would buy groceries and 582 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: they would take the bare minimum stuff out and donate 583 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: the rest to the They're the real heart of the 584 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: Catholic Church. Yeah, and and the you know thing is 585 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: it's like they embody so much of what you want 586 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: just in human beings. I mean, yeah, there are some 587 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: like hard as nuns of course, No, they're the ones 588 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: who grow chalk, hit you with the ruler. I mean yeah, 589 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: there's definitely the old school like fire and Brimstone, Fatigan 590 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: one nuner. Sure. But then I think my favorite of 591 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: the zany nuns. I had a lot of zany nun 592 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: teachers who you know, Sister Mary Elizabeth, my orchestra instructors, 593 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: just crazy lady, she was so fun. Or Sister Paul Gerard, 594 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: she had pica pika. She ate chalk in biology class 595 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: and no one really wanted to make her feel bad 596 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: about it, but we all like to watch her drag 597 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: her fingers through the chalk tray and then stuck on. 598 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: It was like the only food she was getting. Yeah, 599 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: they were just you know, they're really they're they're they're 600 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 1: good people. Now. See, I went to all boys Catholic school, 601 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: so we had the rectory was priests. They lived on 602 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 1: on campus, and uh, it was not how you described 603 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: the nuns living at Jesuit. It was the exact same thing. 604 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: You go out or where did the priests live? And 605 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: it was like not a what a chateau basically's like 606 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: one of the Spanish homes where you have a courtyard 607 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: in the middle, and they were releas fruit trees. It 608 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: was just like really nice. And they, like my favorite 609 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: priest had a red sports car. I mean, these were 610 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: like guys who had figured out a good scam. I 611 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: was like, damn, well we have. The other thing is 612 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 1: you can't paint everyone. This applies to everything. You can't 613 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: paint people with the broadbrush. True. Alright, so both of us, 614 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: having come from these Catholic schools, you've got to be 615 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: rooting for these nuns, right, I mean absolutely reading for 616 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: these nuns. And then they get screwed by this con man, 617 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: Ronnie Crab. He goes off and joins Belgian far right 618 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: politics and he has his own little thing. The bishop. 619 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: We won't even get into him, but just assume he 620 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: is what you would assume of a bishop of that time. 621 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: And finally, though, I would like to give you at 622 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: least one good point of how this story goes and 623 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:52,720 Speaker 1: has a nice sweet ending for two nuns. Are you ready? Okay? 624 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: So remember Mother super Sister Anna and you remember the 625 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: snitch Sister Clara. I think snitch is a strong word. 626 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 1: She was. I I appreciate what she did, but she snitched. 627 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna like, you know, double talking. So she 628 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: went to the Bishop of Bruge. But the reason why 629 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: she snitched, and this is where your instincts are solid, 630 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: it was out of love. She was looking to protect 631 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: the other sisters. She saw them losing sight of their mission, 632 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: and specifically one nun in particular. Can you guess who 633 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 1: no not to night? Sister Anna, the Mother Superior and 634 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: the novice had a thing. So it turns out that 635 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: the Bishop of Bruge asked the nuns to return to 636 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: the fold. They would then be barred from returning to 637 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: their convent, of course, and he would split them up 638 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: and send them to different convents. And then Sister On 639 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: was like, uh, there is no question down in you know. 640 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: This is a quote from Sister On and she says, 641 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,399 Speaker 1: there's no question in Paisson, which is the little town 642 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: outside of Rbs where their castle was, we found perfect happiness. 643 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: We don't care at all about the lack of comfort 644 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: in our new home. We feel closer to the Lord 645 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: there than to Bruges. So they actually got to have 646 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,919 Speaker 1: their spiritual awakening and complete like harmony with the Lord. 647 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: So they got that. But then on top of that, 648 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: the heart also got what the heart wanted. The nuns 649 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: who were returned, you know, to the pair of apartments. 650 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: They're fine. Sister Agnes passes away, but Sister Anna, the 651 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: Mother Superior, she rekindled her friendship with a woman named 652 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: gilloman lamb Brex. And the reason why you haven't heard 653 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: that name is Gillomene lamb Brex is the name of 654 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,720 Speaker 1: Sister Clara after she left the Order of the Poor Claire's. 655 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: She leaves the nunnery, she goes out and she buys 656 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: a house. She gets this house, a little farmhouse out 657 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: on the edge. It's right next to this small stream, 658 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: a picturesque place, and it's in the heart of the 659 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: our dance forest. And and so she is there. And 660 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: who goes to join her, Sister Anna. I love that 661 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: Mother Superior and the novice end up together in a 662 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: small little farmhouse next to a stream in the r 663 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: Dan's and they get to enjoy that life together. That's 664 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: so lovely. I'm so happy for them. So what is 665 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: our ridiculous takeaway from this story. I think the ridiculous 666 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,919 Speaker 1: takeaway would be it's ridiculous to mess with some nuns. 667 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: You can only push a woman so far, and you 668 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: can only push your nun half as far as that exactly. Now, Personally, 669 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: I think the Catholic Church needs to recognize that the 670 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: nuns are the best thing they got going. And it's 671 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: ridiculous that they keep thinking that anybody wants to give 672 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: a f about the priests, because I'm telling you what, 673 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: the nuns and the only way you're going to save 674 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: that church. Well, they're living the truth of it. They're 675 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 1: they're actually living it out of being really dedicated to 676 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: social justice and they're a real deal. They're living according 677 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: to the you know, the beliefs of the church well, 678 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: and the core of like I think every religious belief 679 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,280 Speaker 1: is just to love right, and like, you know, aside 680 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: from the nuns who are mean and throw things at 681 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: you in class if you're muttering in the back of 682 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: the room, I don't know, hypothetically, you know, the truth is, 683 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: it's just love, right, and they just they want to serve, 684 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: they want to serve others out of love. And so 685 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: you see, like Clara doing that exactly. So she went 686 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: with her beliefs and then it turned out it worked 687 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: really nice. Now, just to put a fine point on 688 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: all of this, a couple of years back, I was 689 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: at the u N Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues and 690 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: I gotta see Glorious Steinhem talk, right, and she said 691 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: something that is stuck with me ever since then. She 692 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: basically compared. She said, do you know the big trick 693 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: that the priest did? Right? Not me and everybody listening, 694 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: We're like, no, what's the big trees trick the priest did? 695 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: She's like, they stole motherhood from women. You're like, what, 696 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: how does that work? And she says, think about it. 697 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: You are can do a church. There is the outer 698 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: vestible inter vestible, and then there is the long central 699 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: channel leading up to an altar. Right, that's the form 700 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: of a church. What does that sound like? A vagina 701 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: outer labia, inner labia, a central canal leading to an 702 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 1: altar where the consecration of life occurs. Right, but in 703 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: this place we have men in skirts promising to give 704 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: life afterlife, which is more important than the life that 705 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: you were given by your actual mother. I was like, whoa, 706 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: that's crazy, glorious steinhum, but it's stuck with me and 707 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,399 Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily saying she's right. But if you think 708 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: about that, that has been like the priest's whole thing 709 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: forever has been tastically trying to take the power of 710 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: women and make it their own power and being like oh, 711 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 1: and then these nuns are like, uh, yeah, I love 712 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 1: them for it. Okay, now that is ridiculous. You win, 713 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: That is ridiculous. Well, thanks for joining us, and I 714 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: am Elizabeth Dunton. You can find us online at Ridiculous 715 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 1: Crime on Twitter and Instagram. Or if you've got a 716 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: tip for us about a ridiculous crime that you'd like 717 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: to hear about, or maybe one that you've committed, we 718 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: want to hear about it, so you can write to 719 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: us at ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com and we'd 720 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 1: love to hear from you. 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