WEBVTT - The Cooler 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:07.920 Hey, friends, and welcome back to Access podcast, the podcast 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.240 about podcasts. I'm your host Mattie Stout and with me 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:16.400 in studio producer Zizi. Hello, how are you. I'm good 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:18.880 because I got to talk to some folks in studio 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.160 from NBR and they were amazing. I love NBR. NPR 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.239 has some of the best radio and now some of 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:28.480 the best podcasts out there, and this show The Cooler 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.240 is on the cutting edge of what podcasts are going 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:34.240 to be for NPR. I completely agree. They were fun, 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.600 they were young, energetic. Yes, and after you listen to 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:39.600 this podcast, if you want to watch the interview, we 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:41.599 have it up on our Facebook page. You can check 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:43.400 it out. But right now, let's hear a little bit 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:47.440 from the Cooler. Also, you should know a little warning. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.400 If you have access to vital resources and you hoard 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:52.240 them and don't share them, just know that a relative 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:53.680 might come back one day and try to kill you. 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.960 Quite possible. I have henceforth asked my husband to upgrade 0:00:58.000 --> 0:00:59.920 my wedding ring to one fit is vibranium. So we 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.640 talked about that that's happening. You hear that it's literally 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:06.440 so hot right now, exactly it's happening for your platinum 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:14.760 bitcoin bring made of thick. It's okay, So joining me Manual, 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:20.840 Jamdra and Carly from the cooler. Hello, I should say 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:22.560 everybody's name and then they can talk to people know 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.759 who you are. Hi, Carly, how are you? I'm doing great? 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:26.679 How are you? You're there? Like, like, I just want 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:28.400 to hear you talk all day. I was listening to 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.880 the show and I was like, if I had that voice, 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:32.800 I would It's like I would say, like, and I 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:34.880 see guys that are really buff, I'd be like, I 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:38.360 would never wear a shirt And if I had your voice, 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:40.040 I would just be like doing voice over all days. 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.520 What's funny because the common misconception folks have about me 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.600 is that I'm actually a very posh person, which I 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.319 am not. You do well, you have the posh access 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:51.120 sounded I'm not posh, you even say it. She's more 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.400 of a sporty space exactly, very much. And if you 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.040 couldn't guess that was Manual high Hello, I'm splendid. Also 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:01.800 in British it's only to two minutes. The British accent 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.640 has to come out. Let and engine Madra Hi. I'm 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:07.880 currently working on my wakondin so I'll have an accident. 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:09.880 We're going to talk about that. I listen to the 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.120 episode I had a I had a friend one of 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.440 my students who was African American who posted, Wakanda is 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:19.360 not real and the amount of hate he got it 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:21.799 is real. In my mind? Well no, and I listen 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:23.680 to your podcast and that's what I was like, Okay, 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.080 it's a state of it's a state of mind, you know. 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:28.440 I do want to talk about that. But but before 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.000 we start, we're in a We're in our podcast studio, 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.799 and usually when I have guests on, nobody ever wants 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:35.240 to come see me. They're on the phone. So it's 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:36.840 nice to have people in front of me, but we're 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.960 also on camera, which I don't know if I like, 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:44.400 what do you think of people video and podcasting? Because 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.040 to me, a podcast, the whole thing is the intimacy 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.200 of the voice. How do you feel about video? I'm 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.000 biased because my day job at kq e D is 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.919 so social media. I'm at social media strategist for k 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:58.360 q e D in addition to doing the coolest so 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.720 this is something that I would ask the folks to do. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.840 But when I'm in the host chat. It feels old, 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:05.400 like I keep wanting to flick my eyes down to 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.079 this camera here that's in front of me. I can 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.240 see this like shadow form of myself. It's odd, but 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.280 I kind of like it. Yeah, for our show, I'm 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.840 glad we don't because there's a lot we record that 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:20.280 we then edit out and seemed like really brilliant and amazing. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.079 But as someone who wanted to be on the Real 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.000 World growing up, I love the camera. Hello. Did you 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:26.760 did you ever try? Did you send in a tape 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:28.680 for anything? No, because by the time I was of 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.560 age to do it, it had already jumped the shark. 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.760 I did what I did not say in a tape. 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:37.560 I went to an audition for the Real World and 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.960 it was in Berkeley, next to the University. Again, I 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.720 was not selected. Which season would you have been on? 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:45.560 I would have been on the Vegas season and I 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:47.360 was not twenty one yet, so they would have selected me. 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:49.880 But a friend of mine who was there did kiss 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:54.040 quest what really that's ran upon him and kissed him. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.160 Why has this never come up before? I have my secrets. 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.200 I can't tell you everything about me all the time. 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.080 Here's the difference and generations see when I think about 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.080 I think about Puck. That's about that's real world for me. 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.840 And I had a friend who made out with Adam 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.560 Sandler when he was on Remote Control. When they were 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.440 Remote Control was one of the best shows, none of 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:20.760 these shows. Control was an MTV game show with Ken Ober. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.159 It was from his basement and Colin Quinn did the 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.080 was the announcer, and Adam Sander was like a monkey 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.440 boy kind of funny, funny thing on the show, and 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:30.600 it was fantastic. He didn't start on s n L. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.239 That's what I always know he started. He started on MTV. 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.960 I learned every day I'm a teacher. That's what I'm 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.760 hearing that. You're like, you're welcome. Here's the invoice. So 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:46.160 speaking of a new generation, you know, NPR has long 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.320 been the bastion of of a certain kind of of 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:53.119 talk programming and a certain kind of show. Seven years 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:54.719 or I guess it was almost nine years ago, a 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.880 friend of mine started the Dinner Party download And when 0:04:58.279 --> 0:04:59.920 and when he started it, it it was he and another 0:04:59.920 --> 0:05:03.360 the down in l a at MPR. And the quote 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:07.919 to me was Matt Garrison Keeler's got to die someday 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.120 and know that there's nothing I get scared. I love 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:14.200 gears give but the point being that there has to 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.120 be some new, you know, younger blood coming up and 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.360 doing shows on NPR, because these older shows are you know, 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.120 kind of aging out. And also there's an audience at 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.200 NPR that is, you know, at the time, it's look 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:27.719 like us that that likes likes talk. How do you 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.440 feel and you feel that you are start part of 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.240 that that new voice of of NPR. Oh, are we 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.880 the voice of a generation? We're part of the renaissance, 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:41.320 a voice of a generation. Well, I didn't like saying 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.640 that I felt that I had. It is really tricky 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.480 as well, especially when you have kind of that mission 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.880 statement saying we're trying to do something new and I 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:51.560 don't know, then you really have to live up to it. 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.719 And um, I don't know, like working within the MPR framework. 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:57.520 And just to be clear, we are not the first 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.600 folks at MPR or NPR stay aations to do pop culture, 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.159 to take on pop culture, or to have a like 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.760 a podcast that talks about pop culture. We've never been 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:11.480 under any illusions that we are kind of pioneering that. Yeah, 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.440 and no, I mean I think that the the type 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.120 of podcast you do, in the quality of it is 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.839 it is different, and it it does it does feel 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:23.640 younger than the other NPR pop culture podcasts that I've heard. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.560 How do you guys feel, I mean, it's a lot 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.000 of it's a heavy backpack to put on when you 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.640 talk about the NPR Moniker, because people have a certain 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.920 expectation about what we should be, how we should be, 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.760 how intellectual we should be, and so you know, a 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:40.280 lot of people think the pop culture is not something 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.360 they should be talked about on public media. I disagree, um, 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:45.920 and I think that we talk about it in a fun, 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.240 in a smart way. And we also because as as 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.840 as with our generation, we cannot separate the pop culture 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.120 from a lot of the social issues that are happening 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.840 right now. So I guess we are sort of like 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.920 introducing a voice into public media. Yeah, there definitely was 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.200 a pressure when we first started to be MPR and 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.320 to wear the name proudly and not embarrass the brand, 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:16.760 and specifically for our station, KQUT mission not accomplished. So 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.000 for the first couple of episodes, you can go back 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.440 and listen and we are very buttoned up and we're 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.920 kind of nervous, and we actually talked about Shakespeare on 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.640 our first episode. We were just trying so hard not 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:30.160 to get me in comments because I also write for KQUT, 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:34.440 and so when I write something or produce a podcast, um, 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:38.720 people come and say things like I donated to MPR, 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.160 I donate to the station, I own you. You should 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:42.840 be fired because I don't like what you're doing. Really, 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:47.440 that happens all are there NBR trolls beyond? I can 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.600 as someone who works in on KQUT social media daily, 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.320 I can attest to that. Oh my goodness. There's a 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.840 lot of people, you know, to Emmanuel's point, like folks 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.920 feel ownership of public media and that is absolutely right 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.280 and proper, but then not gonna like everything you do. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.240 And you have to listen when they say you don't 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.440 they don't like it. Can I get mad when they 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:09.800 have very boring lecturers on in the middle of the 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:11.600 evening when I'm trying to, like, you know, do other 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:16.520 things you can public media, get your pitchfork store at 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:23.200 the station. So you said that there is a certain 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.640 pressure and how often are do you come across the 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.480 topic and I mean and have to debate amongst yourselves 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:34.360 before you even do it. Oh well, what springs to 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.040 mind was and this is a safe place. You're not on, 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.560 you're on, You're on, you're just being recorded. You're on 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.960 I Heart Radio. We don't care about anything. Just say it. 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:48.840 You're on Facebook, YouTube and Twitter. Yes. I think right 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:53.360 after the election there was some recalibrating at our station, like, okay, 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.280 we need to show both sides. Can you guys all 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:01.440 be upfront about being for civil rights sCASP um and 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.680 things like that, And so the first couple of weeks 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:08.040 after that, we definitely had to have some conversations um 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:09.960 with people who work at our station of what we 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:14.280 could say, and when it seemed like maybe we wouldn't 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.679 be able to talk about politics and social justice, then 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:18.400 we were like, well that then that's not our show. 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:20.959 We talked about pop culture, but everything is informed by 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:27.040 politics that like, especially in November. But thankfully they let 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:28.680 us do what we want and we get to just 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:32.920 be ourselves. Yeah, which is pretty great. I mean, like 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.600 not to sound trite, but like that's the pop part 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.360 of pop culture, like popular, like this is the stuff 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.600 that surrounds us, like this is why we care about 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.240 it. It It infuriates me, and I hope it infuriates you 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:47.960 too when people dismiss pop culture as just something that 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.080 you do it in your spare time. You read and 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.640 you talk about it, and it's it's not worthy of debate, 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.480 or it's it's low. It's like, it's the exact opposite. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.559 It's the stuff around you. It's your life. It's the 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.400 stuff you listen to and consume every day. If there's 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.360 not something that's I don't know, if there's something that's 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.960 more important, I don't really know what that is. Pop 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.280 Culture extends past Kim Kardashian. I think that's what people 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:09.920 think about when they think pop culture. They're like, oh, 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.719 Kim Kardashian, it's bigger than that. Everybody has a form 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.679 of pop culture that they love and enjoy. It is 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:18.240 bigger than Kimp. There's Chloe Kendall. There's a lot of them. 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.000 We will get to that. Well. And here's something I 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.679 say to people all the time that I tell them 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.080 you should be grateful for Donald Trump. And they go why, 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.440 and I go, donald Trump has made politics pop culture. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.040 When was before Donald Trump? How many people you knew? 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:34.800 I mean maybe you because you're real smarting, you work 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.000 at NPR, But how many people paid attention to what 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.120 was going on in Washington and what bills are being passed, 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.120 and and and and as as all the bad that 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.880 he's brought. I feel like that's maybe part of the 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:46.920 good that that is now kind of part of part 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:50.600 of the pop car culture vernacular is talking about politics. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.400 People are much more aware, and I think you can 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.440 see this generation or recently people have gotten more active. 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.679 So it's like beyond just even knowing or being aware, 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.640 but people have taken to the streets. People are protesting, 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.000 people are standing up for what they believe in. So 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.240 I guess we can to say thanks for that. Well, yeah, 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.600 I mean, I'm not going to go overboard here and 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.160 you're like, you know, thank God for Donald Trump. But 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.360 you know what I'm saying, though, no I do. It's 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.040 visibility as well. I feel like stuff is on display 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.880 so much more than ever before, and when it's on display, 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:19.720 you tend to look at it and you see it 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:21.240 and then you talk about it and this is what 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.160 we're doing. This stuff was existing before, but no one 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.520 was really looking at it, and we're looking now. It's 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.040 like the bright light is shining on it. It's so important, 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.920 Like why wouldn't people care about this stuff? Or is 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.640 it the gas light? Here's a lot of that going on. 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.760 Someone had three coffees this morning and I applaud that. 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.199 So I want to talk about how you ended up 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.240 in in radio and working for NPR and then eventually, 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:49.040 you know, going into podcasting. Uh, radio is not the 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.080 not as cool as it used to be. You know, 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.400 when I started in radio, everybody wanted to begin radio. 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.520 And I started teaching radio about seven years ago, and 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.520 my students didn't listen, didn't have much to do with it, 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.800 and that's really been changing lately because of podcasting. What 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.160 made you decide, you know what this is? This is 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.360 the form of media for me? That the voice? What 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.120 what got you involved with with radio? Um, let's start 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.240 with jamitra Oh was it a decision or did it 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:17.960 just happen? Okaytimes? Did you choose radio? So so, I 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:19.720 think I'm probably the only one in the group who 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.760 actually studied broadcasting. So I went to school for broadcasting, 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.640 specifically radio and television at San Francisco State Shout out 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:29.720 back up, um. And you know the funny thing is 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.040 we didn't have a radio frequency, so we didn't have 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:33.720 a radio station per se, but what we did have 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:35.839 was podcasting. So I'm not gonna tell you what year 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:36.960 this was, because you don't need to be in my 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.959 business like that. No, how oill diam exactly. But at 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.760 the time, podcasting was not a thing. So my friends 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.679 who were over at San Jose State in another program 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.199 would make fun of us because they thought that podcasting 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.400 was a joke. So now I'm laughing um. But I 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.520 always wanted to work in media in general. Um. And 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.920 I'm from the Bay areas. Oka Quati, which is the 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.480 PBS MPR affiliate for San Francisco, was right there. So 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:02.800 I went and I worked. But I didn't plan on 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:04.839 being on the radio, and I didn't plan on being 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.800 on television. I planned on being sort of in the 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.240 advertising and marketing marketing side of things, which is what 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.800 I did. I ended up working in social media, but 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.520 I also ended up meeting a manual and Emmanuel and 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.960 I use a chit chat about pop culture in the 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.840 hallways and just throughout work in general, and eventually he 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.280 approached me about doing what we do but recording it. 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:28.040 It's a great handball. Thank you for the batton. Yes 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.560 are we in the Olympics. Yeah, they're not over yet. 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:33.960 This is just what I teach when I do radio. 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:35.280 I'm like, you have to pass the ball and she 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:37.839 just she sent you a lob. I loved it. You 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.280 missed out detail about when we would talk at your 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.720 cube side, I from your boss side. She has to 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:48.160 work and I'm like, they can wait. But I didn't 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:52.199 know that. Um. But for me, I started as an 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.920 intern I KQUT and I worked on a podcast pre serial, 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.040 so like podcasting was like, oh, what's that? How do 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:01.400 you even find it? iTunes? What? And it was a 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.560 literature podcast called The Writer's Block. And I got to 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.920 meet amazing people like Patti Smith and David Sedaris and 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.760 John Waters and all these people. And then that went 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:14.160 away and I started a pop culture blog to reach 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:18.559 the millennials because KUT was interested in in latching onto 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.560 this mythical beast known as the millennial. How do we 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.360 get their interests? How do we capture it? Study it? Yeah, 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:30.560 and that is not what k does or just picturing 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:34.920 a big net sticky pins in it. Yeah, but you 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.280 know it's not rocket science. If if you want millennials 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.640 to be interested in content, have other millennials create content 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:46.200 for people that they know that they're their friends and whatever, 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.760 and so that was successful and then from that the 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:53.760 Cooler was born. And I approached Jamidra and also Carly 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.400 because we would have pop culture conversations in the hallway 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.840 and we all have very different pers effectives, and I 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:02.800 thought it would be great to have a show where 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:07.000 not everyone disagrees, and sometimes we get into it hashtag 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.040 Stranger Things, and that's a lob off to Carly because 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.320 she has a lot of opinions about the Stranger Things. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.200 Is such an albatross around my neck. Yeah, I and 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.400 you'll have to expand upon that because we have no 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.120 idea what you're talking about. So I'm pro and she's anti. 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.320 What do you mean you're anti? I think I'm the 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:29.520 one percent of humans that don't enjoy Stranger Things as 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.840 much as all the other humans. You're entitled to your 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:35.160 wrong opinion, That's what I'm saying. And you're entitled to 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.800 your wrong opinion exactly. That's why this is the beautiful country. 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.920 Remember we mentioned those NPR and K Yeah, yeah, they 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.200 were not happy about the Well, it doesn't help as 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.080 well when you do a very considered right up for 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.200 your editor. That's you, and then your editor gives it 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.400 the title hear me out Stranger Things is not that good? 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.360 That was her opinion. I think that that's valid title. 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:00.400 I like to think my original headline is a little 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.160 bit more on the fence. What was your original headline? 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:08.240 It was something like super like cowardly, ridiculous everybody. I 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.520 just just just in my opinion, I think I may 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.680 have used the word overrated. Oh that's even worse. See 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.400 I helped her, and she about what I will say. 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.800 Though it's season two makes season one look incredible. I'm 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.840 going back and looking at season one with fresh eyes. 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.160 I'm not going to rehash this. Don't look at me 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:30.560 like that. I feel I feel like I'm caught up. Basically, 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:32.320 I don't like it because I think it's a big 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.240 I think it plagiarizes rather than pays homage. I think 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.800 if you really want to enjoy that period, don't wallow 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.000 in fake nostalgia that's been cooked up in the lab 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.920 for you millennial um or someone who grew up in 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.360 the eighties. Just go and watch Poltergeist or Stand By 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.680 Me or any of those other movies that it rips off. 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.960 Do you want to hear something awful. I have a 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.840 teacher podcast in class and a student is doing a 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.200 podcast about Santa Cruz is from Santa Cruz, and I'm like, Oh, 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.240 you're gonna talk about Last Boys? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.560 He'd never heard of Last Boys. You guys heard of 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.840 Last Place vaguely? Oh my gosh, I have. But I, 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.199 oh my gosh, watch Last Boys. You can't be from 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.879 the Bay Area, if you if you know, sorry, I 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:10.800 won't even see that. Quite a little childre I'm feeling 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.480 so old, So let's get you your story. I started 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:15.920 off working in an art museum back in the UK, 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.640 and weirdly I really an art museum with that accent. 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.239 But she's not posh everybody, now, I was walking right 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.520 into this one. I used to make podcasts for this 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:27.119 art museum. I used to kind of work in a 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.200 communications role and I used to make little, tiny podcasts, 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.960 which looking back probably weren't that great, but I was 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:34.560 the only person who was doing it, and I was 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.280 given free rein and I absolutely loved doing it. And 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.920 then I kind of put all that aside for several years, 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.919 moved out here, started working. I used to work at 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:48.360 San Francisco Ballet and then I's not but I'm not partial. 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:52.880 I don't buy that at all, Like you're just putting 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:56.199 up a big mirror, and I finally see myself right 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.240 now this is turned into a roast of Carly. I'm 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.440 so sorry for starting that with the stranger and all 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.200 the beady eyes on me, just watching me like melt um. 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.439 And then I came to KQBDU where I work in 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.679 social media, and that these fine people, and it genuinely 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.320 was just like these guys say, we just used to 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.520 have separate, weirdly separate conversations about pop culture because do 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:16.600 you meet her and I A didn't know each other 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.080 that well, and be didn't talk about pop culture. When 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:22.840 we did talk, what did we talk about? Probably probably work, 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.800 probably art? What kind of team were having? What you 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.440 do together? The third at Gaine. But yeah, and then 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.840 it literally started like that, and we just tried stuff out. 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:34.520 Some of it was great, some of it was terrible. 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.119 We jumped the terrible stuff, elaborated on the good stuff, 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:43.440 I hope, and here we are. So you know, one 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.600 thing I tell people when they come up to you 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:48.479 at a party, and you know, I've done a lot 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:49.840 of talk radio, and they're like, I could do what 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.720 you do. My friends and I talk and it's oh gosh, 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:54.280 I want to do that. I can do that, And 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.440 you also exag yeah, you know, would you go tell 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.160 a surgeon you can do what he does because you've 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.760 watched mash um. But the point is that when you 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:06.720 do it right, it sounds effortless, and it sounds it 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:10.440 does sound like I'm eavesdropping in on a conversation. Um, 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:12.159 I just want to want you to speak to how 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:16.080 that process was to start and how it's evolved for 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:20.359 you guys, because it does sound effortless. But I do 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.040 know that there's a lot that goes into sounding that effortless. 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.120 It's like a swan. It just it looks great from 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.600 up top, but down below it's a it's a big 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:33.920 old mess. A little closer, she's she's doing swan references. 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:40.919 Not exactly. I'm sorry, I just leon, I'm sorry. I 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.159 think that it is not it's not effortless. But I 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.639 think we've gotten more more of a rhythm than we 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.240 did when we first started, because all of us are 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.439 pretty talkative people and we have to talk about a 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.960 certain topic or sometimes when we're interviewing people, we have 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.159 to figure out where we fit in the conversation. I 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.800 remember when, very early in our interview process, we'd be like, Okay, 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:02.480