Speaker 1: Hey, friends, and welcome back to Access podcast, the podcast
Speaker 1: about podcasts. I'm your host Mattie Stout and with me
Speaker 1: in studio producer Zizi. Hello, how are you. I'm good
Speaker 1: because I got to talk to some folks in studio
Speaker 1: from NBR and they were amazing. I love NBR. NPR
Speaker 1: has some of the best radio and now some of
Speaker 1: the best podcasts out there, and this show The Cooler
Speaker 1: is on the cutting edge of what podcasts are going
Speaker 1: to be for NPR. I completely agree. They were fun,
Speaker 1: they were young, energetic. Yes, and after you listen to
Speaker 1: this podcast, if you want to watch the interview, we
Speaker 1: have it up on our Facebook page. You can check
Speaker 1: it out. But right now, let's hear a little bit
Speaker 1: from the Cooler. Also, you should know a little warning.
Speaker 1: If you have access to vital resources and you hoard
Speaker 1: them and don't share them, just know that a relative
Speaker 1: might come back one day and try to kill you.
Speaker 1: Quite possible. I have henceforth asked my husband to upgrade
Speaker 1: my wedding ring to one fit is vibranium. So we
Speaker 1: talked about that that's happening. You hear that it's literally
Speaker 1: so hot right now, exactly it's happening for your platinum
Speaker 1: bitcoin bring made of thick. It's okay, So joining me Manual,
Speaker 1: Jamdra and Carly from the cooler. Hello, I should say
Speaker 1: everybody's name and then they can talk to people know
Speaker 1: who you are. Hi, Carly, how are you? I'm doing great?
Speaker 1: How are you? You're there? Like, like, I just want
Speaker 1: to hear you talk all day. I was listening to
Speaker 1: the show and I was like, if I had that voice,
Speaker 1: I would It's like I would say, like, and I
Speaker 1: see guys that are really buff, I'd be like, I
Speaker 1: would never wear a shirt And if I had your voice,
Speaker 1: I would just be like doing voice over all days.
Speaker 1: What's funny because the common misconception folks have about me
Speaker 1: is that I'm actually a very posh person, which I
Speaker 1: am not. You do well, you have the posh access
Speaker 1: sounded I'm not posh, you even say it. She's more
Speaker 1: of a sporty space exactly, very much. And if you
Speaker 1: couldn't guess that was Manual high Hello, I'm splendid. Also
Speaker 1: in British it's only to two minutes. The British accent
Speaker 1: has to come out. Let and engine Madra Hi. I'm
Speaker 1: currently working on my wakondin so I'll have an accident.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that. I listen to the
Speaker 1: episode I had a I had a friend one of
Speaker 1: my students who was African American who posted, Wakanda is
Speaker 1: not real and the amount of hate he got it
Speaker 1: is real. In my mind? Well no, and I listen
Speaker 1: to your podcast and that's what I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a state of it's a state of mind, you know.
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about that. But but before
Speaker 1: we start, we're in a We're in our podcast studio,
Speaker 1: and usually when I have guests on, nobody ever wants
Speaker 1: to come see me. They're on the phone. So it's
Speaker 1: nice to have people in front of me, but we're
Speaker 1: also on camera, which I don't know if I like,
Speaker 1: what do you think of people video and podcasting? Because
Speaker 1: to me, a podcast, the whole thing is the intimacy
Speaker 1: of the voice. How do you feel about video? I'm
Speaker 1: biased because my day job at kq e D is
Speaker 1: so social media. I'm at social media strategist for k
Speaker 1: q e D in addition to doing the coolest so
Speaker 1: this is something that I would ask the folks to do.
Speaker 1: But when I'm in the host chat. It feels old,
Speaker 1: like I keep wanting to flick my eyes down to
Speaker 1: this camera here that's in front of me. I can
Speaker 1: see this like shadow form of myself. It's odd, but
Speaker 1: I kind of like it. Yeah, for our show, I'm
Speaker 1: glad we don't because there's a lot we record that
Speaker 1: we then edit out and seemed like really brilliant and amazing.
Speaker 1: But as someone who wanted to be on the Real
Speaker 1: World growing up, I love the camera. Hello. Did you
Speaker 1: did you ever try? Did you send in a tape
Speaker 1: for anything? No, because by the time I was of
Speaker 1: age to do it, it had already jumped the shark.
Speaker 1: I did what I did not say in a tape.
Speaker 1: I went to an audition for the Real World and
Speaker 1: it was in Berkeley, next to the University. Again, I
Speaker 1: was not selected. Which season would you have been on?
Speaker 1: I would have been on the Vegas season and I
Speaker 1: was not twenty one yet, so they would have selected me.
Speaker 1: But a friend of mine who was there did kiss
Speaker 1: quest what really that's ran upon him and kissed him.
Speaker 1: Why has this never come up before? I have my secrets.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you everything about me all the time.
Speaker 1: Here's the difference and generations see when I think about
Speaker 1: I think about Puck. That's about that's real world for me.
Speaker 1: And I had a friend who made out with Adam
Speaker 1: Sandler when he was on Remote Control. When they were
Speaker 1: Remote Control was one of the best shows, none of
Speaker 1: these shows. Control was an MTV game show with Ken Ober.
Speaker 1: It was from his basement and Colin Quinn did the
Speaker 1: was the announcer, and Adam Sander was like a monkey
Speaker 1: boy kind of funny, funny thing on the show, and
Speaker 1: it was fantastic. He didn't start on s n L.
Speaker 1: That's what I always know he started. He started on MTV.
Speaker 1: I learned every day I'm a teacher. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: hearing that. You're like, you're welcome. Here's the invoice. So
Speaker 1: speaking of a new generation, you know, NPR has long
Speaker 1: been the bastion of of a certain kind of of
Speaker 1: talk programming and a certain kind of show. Seven years
Speaker 1: or I guess it was almost nine years ago, a
Speaker 1: friend of mine started the Dinner Party download And when
Speaker 1: and when he started it, it it was he and another
Speaker 1: the down in l a at MPR. And the quote
Speaker 1: to me was Matt Garrison Keeler's got to die someday
Speaker 1: and know that there's nothing I get scared. I love
Speaker 1: gears give but the point being that there has to
Speaker 1: be some new, you know, younger blood coming up and
Speaker 1: doing shows on NPR, because these older shows are you know,
Speaker 1: kind of aging out. And also there's an audience at
Speaker 1: NPR that is, you know, at the time, it's look
Speaker 1: like us that that likes likes talk. How do you
Speaker 1: feel and you feel that you are start part of
Speaker 1: that that new voice of of NPR. Oh, are we
Speaker 1: the voice of a generation? We're part of the renaissance,
Speaker 1: a voice of a generation. Well, I didn't like saying
Speaker 1: that I felt that I had. It is really tricky
Speaker 1: as well, especially when you have kind of that mission
Speaker 1: statement saying we're trying to do something new and I
Speaker 1: don't know, then you really have to live up to it.
Speaker 1: And um, I don't know, like working within the MPR framework.
Speaker 1: And just to be clear, we are not the first
Speaker 1: folks at MPR or NPR stay aations to do pop culture,
Speaker 1: to take on pop culture, or to have a like
Speaker 1: a podcast that talks about pop culture. We've never been
Speaker 1: under any illusions that we are kind of pioneering that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and no, I mean I think that the the type
Speaker 1: of podcast you do, in the quality of it is
Speaker 1: it is different, and it it does it does feel
Speaker 1: younger than the other NPR pop culture podcasts that I've heard.
Speaker 1: How do you guys feel, I mean, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of it's a heavy backpack to put on when you
Speaker 1: talk about the NPR Moniker, because people have a certain
Speaker 1: expectation about what we should be, how we should be,
Speaker 1: how intellectual we should be, and so you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of people think the pop culture is not something
Speaker 1: they should be talked about on public media. I disagree, um,
Speaker 1: and I think that we talk about it in a fun,
Speaker 1: in a smart way. And we also because as as
Speaker 1: as with our generation, we cannot separate the pop culture
Speaker 1: from a lot of the social issues that are happening
Speaker 1: right now. So I guess we are sort of like
Speaker 1: introducing a voice into public media. Yeah, there definitely was
Speaker 1: a pressure when we first started to be MPR and
Speaker 1: to wear the name proudly and not embarrass the brand,
Speaker 1: and specifically for our station, KQUT mission not accomplished. So
Speaker 1: for the first couple of episodes, you can go back
Speaker 1: and listen and we are very buttoned up and we're
Speaker 1: kind of nervous, and we actually talked about Shakespeare on
Speaker 1: our first episode. We were just trying so hard not
Speaker 1: to get me in comments because I also write for KQUT,
Speaker 1: and so when I write something or produce a podcast, um,
Speaker 1: people come and say things like I donated to MPR,
Speaker 1: I donate to the station, I own you. You should
Speaker 1: be fired because I don't like what you're doing. Really,
Speaker 1: that happens all are there NBR trolls beyond? I can
Speaker 1: as someone who works in on KQUT social media daily,
Speaker 1: I can attest to that. Oh my goodness. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, to Emmanuel's point, like folks
Speaker 1: feel ownership of public media and that is absolutely right
Speaker 1: and proper, but then not gonna like everything you do.
Speaker 1: And you have to listen when they say you don't
Speaker 1: they don't like it. Can I get mad when they
Speaker 1: have very boring lecturers on in the middle of the
Speaker 1: evening when I'm trying to, like, you know, do other
Speaker 1: things you can public media, get your pitchfork store at
Speaker 1: the station. So you said that there is a certain
Speaker 1: pressure and how often are do you come across the
Speaker 1: topic and I mean and have to debate amongst yourselves
Speaker 1: before you even do it. Oh well, what springs to
Speaker 1: mind was and this is a safe place. You're not on,
Speaker 1: you're on, You're on, you're just being recorded. You're on
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. We don't care about anything. Just say it.
Speaker 1: You're on Facebook, YouTube and Twitter. Yes. I think right
Speaker 1: after the election there was some recalibrating at our station, like, okay,
Speaker 1: we need to show both sides. Can you guys all
Speaker 1: be upfront about being for civil rights sCASP um and
Speaker 1: things like that, And so the first couple of weeks
Speaker 1: after that, we definitely had to have some conversations um
Speaker 1: with people who work at our station of what we
Speaker 1: could say, and when it seemed like maybe we wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to talk about politics and social justice, then
Speaker 1: we were like, well that then that's not our show.
Speaker 1: We talked about pop culture, but everything is informed by
Speaker 1: politics that like, especially in November. But thankfully they let
Speaker 1: us do what we want and we get to just
Speaker 1: be ourselves. Yeah, which is pretty great. I mean, like
Speaker 1: not to sound trite, but like that's the pop part
Speaker 1: of pop culture, like popular, like this is the stuff
Speaker 1: that surrounds us, like this is why we care about
Speaker 1: it. It It infuriates me, and I hope it infuriates you
Speaker 1: too when people dismiss pop culture as just something that
Speaker 1: you do it in your spare time. You read and
Speaker 1: you talk about it, and it's it's not worthy of debate,
Speaker 1: or it's it's low. It's like, it's the exact opposite.
Speaker 1: It's the stuff around you. It's your life. It's the
Speaker 1: stuff you listen to and consume every day. If there's
Speaker 1: not something that's I don't know, if there's something that's
Speaker 1: more important, I don't really know what that is. Pop
Speaker 1: Culture extends past Kim Kardashian. I think that's what people
Speaker 1: think about when they think pop culture. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian, it's bigger than that. Everybody has a form
Speaker 1: of pop culture that they love and enjoy. It is
Speaker 1: bigger than Kimp. There's Chloe Kendall. There's a lot of them.
Speaker 1: We will get to that. Well. And here's something I
Speaker 1: say to people all the time that I tell them
Speaker 1: you should be grateful for Donald Trump. And they go why,
Speaker 1: and I go, donald Trump has made politics pop culture.
Speaker 1: When was before Donald Trump? How many people you knew?
Speaker 1: I mean maybe you because you're real smarting, you work
Speaker 1: at NPR, But how many people paid attention to what
Speaker 1: was going on in Washington and what bills are being passed,
Speaker 1: and and and and as as all the bad that
Speaker 1: he's brought. I feel like that's maybe part of the
Speaker 1: good that that is now kind of part of part
Speaker 1: of the pop car culture vernacular is talking about politics.
Speaker 1: People are much more aware, and I think you can
Speaker 1: see this generation or recently people have gotten more active.
Speaker 1: So it's like beyond just even knowing or being aware,
Speaker 1: but people have taken to the streets. People are protesting,
Speaker 1: people are standing up for what they believe in. So
Speaker 1: I guess we can to say thanks for that. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to go overboard here and
Speaker 1: you're like, you know, thank God for Donald Trump. But
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, though, no I do. It's
Speaker 1: visibility as well. I feel like stuff is on display
Speaker 1: so much more than ever before, and when it's on display,
Speaker 1: you tend to look at it and you see it
Speaker 1: and then you talk about it and this is what
Speaker 1: we're doing. This stuff was existing before, but no one
Speaker 1: was really looking at it, and we're looking now. It's
Speaker 1: like the bright light is shining on it. It's so important,
Speaker 1: Like why wouldn't people care about this stuff? Or is
Speaker 1: it the gas light? Here's a lot of that going on.
Speaker 1: Someone had three coffees this morning and I applaud that.
Speaker 1: So I want to talk about how you ended up
Speaker 1: in in radio and working for NPR and then eventually,
Speaker 1: you know, going into podcasting. Uh, radio is not the
Speaker 1: not as cool as it used to be. You know,
Speaker 1: when I started in radio, everybody wanted to begin radio.
Speaker 1: And I started teaching radio about seven years ago, and
Speaker 1: my students didn't listen, didn't have much to do with it,
Speaker 1: and that's really been changing lately because of podcasting. What
Speaker 1: made you decide, you know what this is? This is
Speaker 1: the form of media for me? That the voice? What
Speaker 1: what got you involved with with radio? Um, let's start
Speaker 1: with jamitra Oh was it a decision or did it
Speaker 1: just happen? Okaytimes? Did you choose radio? So so, I
Speaker 1: think I'm probably the only one in the group who
Speaker 1: actually studied broadcasting. So I went to school for broadcasting,
Speaker 1: specifically radio and television at San Francisco State Shout out
Speaker 1: back up, um. And you know the funny thing is
Speaker 1: we didn't have a radio frequency, so we didn't have
Speaker 1: a radio station per se, but what we did have
Speaker 1: was podcasting. So I'm not gonna tell you what year
Speaker 1: this was, because you don't need to be in my
Speaker 1: business like that. No, how oill diam exactly. But at
Speaker 1: the time, podcasting was not a thing. So my friends
Speaker 1: who were over at San Jose State in another program
Speaker 1: would make fun of us because they thought that podcasting
Speaker 1: was a joke. So now I'm laughing um. But I
Speaker 1: always wanted to work in media in general. Um. And
Speaker 1: I'm from the Bay areas. Oka Quati, which is the
Speaker 1: PBS MPR affiliate for San Francisco, was right there. So
Speaker 1: I went and I worked. But I didn't plan on
Speaker 1: being on the radio, and I didn't plan on being
Speaker 1: on television. I planned on being sort of in the
Speaker 1: advertising and marketing marketing side of things, which is what
Speaker 1: I did. I ended up working in social media, but
Speaker 1: I also ended up meeting a manual and Emmanuel and
Speaker 1: I use a chit chat about pop culture in the
Speaker 1: hallways and just throughout work in general, and eventually he
Speaker 1: approached me about doing what we do but recording it.
Speaker 1: It's a great handball. Thank you for the batton. Yes
Speaker 1: are we in the Olympics. Yeah, they're not over yet.
Speaker 1: This is just what I teach when I do radio.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you have to pass the ball and she
Speaker 1: just she sent you a lob. I loved it. You
Speaker 1: missed out detail about when we would talk at your
Speaker 1: cube side, I from your boss side. She has to
Speaker 1: work and I'm like, they can wait. But I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. Um. But for me, I started as an
Speaker 1: intern I KQUT and I worked on a podcast pre serial,
Speaker 1: so like podcasting was like, oh, what's that? How do
Speaker 1: you even find it? iTunes? What? And it was a
Speaker 1: literature podcast called The Writer's Block. And I got to
Speaker 1: meet amazing people like Patti Smith and David Sedaris and
Speaker 1: John Waters and all these people. And then that went
Speaker 1: away and I started a pop culture blog to reach
Speaker 1: the millennials because KUT was interested in in latching onto
Speaker 1: this mythical beast known as the millennial. How do we
Speaker 1: get their interests? How do we capture it? Study it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that is not what k does or just picturing
Speaker 1: a big net sticky pins in it. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know it's not rocket science. If if you want millennials
Speaker 1: to be interested in content, have other millennials create content
Speaker 1: for people that they know that they're their friends and whatever,
Speaker 1: and so that was successful and then from that the
Speaker 1: Cooler was born. And I approached Jamidra and also Carly
Speaker 1: because we would have pop culture conversations in the hallway
Speaker 1: and we all have very different pers effectives, and I
Speaker 1: thought it would be great to have a show where
Speaker 1: not everyone disagrees, and sometimes we get into it hashtag
Speaker 1: Stranger Things, and that's a lob off to Carly because
Speaker 1: she has a lot of opinions about the Stranger Things.
Speaker 1: Is such an albatross around my neck. Yeah, I and
Speaker 1: you'll have to expand upon that because we have no
Speaker 1: idea what you're talking about. So I'm pro and she's anti.
Speaker 1: What do you mean you're anti? I think I'm the
Speaker 1: one percent of humans that don't enjoy Stranger Things as
Speaker 1: much as all the other humans. You're entitled to your
Speaker 1: wrong opinion, That's what I'm saying. And you're entitled to
Speaker 1: your wrong opinion exactly. That's why this is the beautiful country.
Speaker 1: Remember we mentioned those NPR and K Yeah, yeah, they
Speaker 1: were not happy about the Well, it doesn't help as
Speaker 1: well when you do a very considered right up for
Speaker 1: your editor. That's you, and then your editor gives it
Speaker 1: the title hear me out Stranger Things is not that good?
Speaker 1: That was her opinion. I think that that's valid title.
Speaker 1: I like to think my original headline is a little
Speaker 1: bit more on the fence. What was your original headline?
Speaker 1: It was something like super like cowardly, ridiculous everybody. I
Speaker 1: just just just in my opinion, I think I may
Speaker 1: have used the word overrated. Oh that's even worse. See
Speaker 1: I helped her, and she about what I will say.
Speaker 1: Though it's season two makes season one look incredible. I'm
Speaker 1: going back and looking at season one with fresh eyes.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to rehash this. Don't look at me
Speaker 1: like that. I feel I feel like I'm caught up. Basically,
Speaker 1: I don't like it because I think it's a big
Speaker 1: I think it plagiarizes rather than pays homage. I think
Speaker 1: if you really want to enjoy that period, don't wallow
Speaker 1: in fake nostalgia that's been cooked up in the lab
Speaker 1: for you millennial um or someone who grew up in
Speaker 1: the eighties. Just go and watch Poltergeist or Stand By
Speaker 1: Me or any of those other movies that it rips off.
Speaker 1: Do you want to hear something awful. I have a
Speaker 1: teacher podcast in class and a student is doing a
Speaker 1: podcast about Santa Cruz is from Santa Cruz, and I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna talk about Last Boys? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: He'd never heard of Last Boys. You guys heard of
Speaker 1: Last Place vaguely? Oh my gosh, I have. But I,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, watch Last Boys. You can't be from
Speaker 1: the Bay Area, if you if you know, sorry, I
Speaker 1: won't even see that. Quite a little childre I'm feeling
Speaker 1: so old, So let's get you your story. I started
Speaker 1: off working in an art museum back in the UK,
Speaker 1: and weirdly I really an art museum with that accent.
Speaker 1: But she's not posh everybody, now, I was walking right
Speaker 1: into this one. I used to make podcasts for this
Speaker 1: art museum. I used to kind of work in a
Speaker 1: communications role and I used to make little, tiny podcasts,
Speaker 1: which looking back probably weren't that great, but I was
Speaker 1: the only person who was doing it, and I was
Speaker 1: given free rein and I absolutely loved doing it. And
Speaker 1: then I kind of put all that aside for several years,
Speaker 1: moved out here, started working. I used to work at
Speaker 1: San Francisco Ballet and then I's not but I'm not partial.
Speaker 1: I don't buy that at all, Like you're just putting
Speaker 1: up a big mirror, and I finally see myself right
Speaker 1: now this is turned into a roast of Carly. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry for starting that with the stranger and all
Speaker 1: the beady eyes on me, just watching me like melt um.
Speaker 1: And then I came to KQBDU where I work in
Speaker 1: social media, and that these fine people, and it genuinely
Speaker 1: was just like these guys say, we just used to
Speaker 1: have separate, weirdly separate conversations about pop culture because do
Speaker 1: you meet her and I A didn't know each other
Speaker 1: that well, and be didn't talk about pop culture. When
Speaker 1: we did talk, what did we talk about? Probably probably work,
Speaker 1: probably art? What kind of team were having? What you
Speaker 1: do together? The third at Gaine. But yeah, and then
Speaker 1: it literally started like that, and we just tried stuff out.
Speaker 1: Some of it was great, some of it was terrible.
Speaker 1: We jumped the terrible stuff, elaborated on the good stuff,
Speaker 1: I hope, and here we are. So you know, one
Speaker 1: thing I tell people when they come up to you
Speaker 1: at a party, and you know, I've done a lot
Speaker 1: of talk radio, and they're like, I could do what
Speaker 1: you do. My friends and I talk and it's oh gosh,
Speaker 1: I want to do that. I can do that, And
Speaker 1: you also exag yeah, you know, would you go tell
Speaker 1: a surgeon you can do what he does because you've
Speaker 1: watched mash um. But the point is that when you
Speaker 1: do it right, it sounds effortless, and it sounds it
Speaker 1: does sound like I'm eavesdropping in on a conversation. Um,
Speaker 1: I just want to want you to speak to how
Speaker 1: that process was to start and how it's evolved for
Speaker 1: you guys, because it does sound effortless. But I do
Speaker 1: know that there's a lot that goes into sounding that effortless.
Speaker 1: It's like a swan. It just it looks great from
Speaker 1: up top, but down below it's a it's a big
Speaker 1: old mess. A little closer, she's she's doing swan references.
Speaker 1: Not exactly. I'm sorry, I just leon, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: think that it is not it's not effortless. But I
Speaker 1: think we've gotten more more of a rhythm than we
Speaker 1: did when we first started, because all of us are
Speaker 1: pretty talkative people and we have to talk about a
Speaker 1: certain topic or sometimes when we're interviewing people, we have
Speaker 1: to figure out where we fit in the conversation. I
Speaker 1: remember when, very early in our interview process, we'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you ask one question, and then you ask another question,
Speaker 1: and then you ask another question, or else we could
Speaker 1: just go on forever. Yeah, we have to script it
Speaker 1: and stick to it, because otherwise we only have an
Speaker 1: hour usually, and we can easily go for like five hours,
Speaker 1: but no one wants to edit that, and one wants
Speaker 1: to listen to that exactly. We try to keep it tight.
Speaker 1: And as these two know, I usually come in with
Speaker 1: like five pages that are highlighted. All of the all
Speaker 1: of the words are highlighted, all of the words are
Speaker 1: all of that. Basically, if you listen really carefully to
Speaker 1: each episode, you can hear that gentle kind of the
Speaker 1: sound of the highlighter. You can hear me trying to
Speaker 1: drink tea surreptitiously and not getting away with it. You
Speaker 1: can just hear all these little kind of incidental sound
Speaker 1: and I'm just giggling the entire time, which I love.
Speaker 1: But just watching you three right now, and I think
Speaker 1: it's probably good that we are. We are on camera.
Speaker 1: You have the character exists of every good talk show
Speaker 1: I've worked on, which is the eye contact and you're
Speaker 1: as you're finishing, you're looking here and giving him that
Speaker 1: you do that, I handoff and and that's and that
Speaker 1: comes with It's not something I had to go to
Speaker 1: l A to work for for somebody in and they
Speaker 1: wanted that like the first day, and I told him, like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen like that. It takes some time. Right,
Speaker 1: you have to fall in love with your co host
Speaker 1: faces so that you're always looking at their easy to
Speaker 1: just that this is the marriage. It's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know about you, guys, I have so much I had
Speaker 1: respect before, but I have so much more respect even
Speaker 1: for folks who do this, because I think, to your
Speaker 1: point about it, if it seems effortless, there's so much
Speaker 1: work going on behind the scenes, and I think I
Speaker 1: really under, like naively underestimated the amount of work that
Speaker 1: goes into making something look easy and spontaneous. Um. And
Speaker 1: those first couple of episodes were like such a rude
Speaker 1: awakening for me. They're like, oh, this is really hard.
Speaker 1: People study for this and they do it a lot,
Speaker 1: and then they get really good at it and to
Speaker 1: be allowed to kind of continue to improve it it.
Speaker 1: I think we are pretty fortunate in that respect. I
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, they just kind of like threw us
Speaker 1: out there and the ending and they're like, let's see
Speaker 1: if this works. Maybe it won't, maybe you guys will
Speaker 1: suck good luck. And we were just like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is on us. And we actually had a live show
Speaker 1: like the second week we were out, in which we
Speaker 1: interviewed w km out Bell. Yeah, oh my god, no pressure,
Speaker 1: gracious about it. Well, if it's a good guest, it
Speaker 1: makes it easier, right, Yeah, And we were very scared
Speaker 1: to a release the podcast and be have this live
Speaker 1: event for people who didn't know who we were. We
Speaker 1: didn't have a fan base. W kml Bell was there
Speaker 1: and he's like, wait, what is this again. We're like,
Speaker 1: we're not even sure. And it went really well. And
Speaker 1: that was my lead in to say that we're actually
Speaker 1: having a second you March at the Chapel in San
Speaker 1: Francisco and the theme is nineties slumber party. Can I come? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's going to be so fun, having fun planning it,
Speaker 1: having fun thinking about it. It's just going to be
Speaker 1: a good night. I think that live doing live podcasts
Speaker 1: are great for a lot of reasons, for for as
Speaker 1: far as promotion and and then you know, if you're
Speaker 1: in the sales world of radio, like it's it's I
Speaker 1: think podcasting brings back a lot of what we used
Speaker 1: to do in radio, and we used to do a
Speaker 1: lot of live stuff in front of people. We used
Speaker 1: to talk um and and that's what we get to
Speaker 1: do with podcasting. Is one of the selling points I
Speaker 1: give to radio stations when I go there. That is,
Speaker 1: you know, listen, you didn't get in your radio for
Speaker 1: talk for twenty to talk for twenty seconds between music.
Speaker 1: I don't think you did. Maybe you did, but you
Speaker 1: came to talk. NBR it was way ahead on the podcasting,
Speaker 1: you know, NBR. You know when we started Stitcher ten
Speaker 1: years ago, like those were the first good podcast we had,
Speaker 1: and pretty much the only really good podcast we have
Speaker 1: are from NPR. But NBR for a long time was
Speaker 1: in the world of making radio shows and turning them
Speaker 1: into podcasts. And you're part of this new movement of
Speaker 1: creating podcasting. Do you see this, um? Is? This is
Speaker 1: this something you see like being encouraged around um? Are
Speaker 1: there lots of you know, lots of opportunities. Do you
Speaker 1: think of podcasting moving forward in the np ARE front,
Speaker 1: I would say yes, Um, I feel like there are
Speaker 1: lots of new podcasts popping up just in KQUD in general.
Speaker 1: So we've we've got the Cooler that's been around for
Speaker 1: what since two thousand and fifteen? When do you put
Speaker 1: it like that? Oh? Yeah, We've got a few other
Speaker 1: ones that have popped up. Big Curious is another one
Speaker 1: that's around. So it's a lot more is happening. And
Speaker 1: the one great thing that I will say, not the
Speaker 1: one great thing, but one of the great things I
Speaker 1: will say about working at public media is that it's
Speaker 1: an environment where you're kind of encouraged to like roll
Speaker 1: your sleeves up and try things. So they're like, let's try,
Speaker 1: let's see if it works out. If it doesn't, then
Speaker 1: we won't do it again. But they encourage you to
Speaker 1: do it. Um. And so they gave us the ball
Speaker 1: and we ran with it, and I'm sure there'll be
Speaker 1: other people that are coming behind us to run with
Speaker 1: the ball as well, and it'll be fun hopefully. Actually
Speaker 1: to that point, I think that's how three. If like,
Speaker 1: please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's
Speaker 1: how like three of the other big ones that take
Speaker 1: qud come out has just come out with started just
Speaker 1: by experimentation. I know, Bay Curious started off like that.
Speaker 1: Um the Bay is something that just launched, which is
Speaker 1: like the daily news podcast that they're doing with like
Speaker 1: a really local slant about the Bay area. UM, political
Speaker 1: breakdown California politics. Because to your point, everyone cares about
Speaker 1: politics now, Like this stuff is it's kind of really
Speaker 1: flourishing and it's I don't know, it's really fun to
Speaker 1: work on as well, good people doing it as well,
Speaker 1: which is lovely. Do you see the movement from from
Speaker 1: it used to be you know, radio going into podcasting,
Speaker 1: but now you're seeing a lot of podcasting moving onto
Speaker 1: the air with radio? Um, is that something that you
Speaker 1: eventually want to do? Have the show be part of
Speaker 1: the route? As I started off the conversation, Garrison Killers, well,
Speaker 1: actually he's already off the air, but that he is.
Speaker 1: But but you know that there that this makes you know,
Speaker 1: by having a podcast or kind of a farm system,
Speaker 1: you know of like let's build our talent up so
Speaker 1: that they're ready to go when we want to put
Speaker 1: them on the air. I don't know, I mean I
Speaker 1: think that. I think the thing of the beauty about
Speaker 1: podcasting is that you have such a wide audience. So
Speaker 1: I can't I haven't looked at the numbers recently. Manu
Speaker 1: usually does that, but we have people who listen all
Speaker 1: over the world. We had some folks a message from
Speaker 1: South Africa. Yeah, and so when if our if our
Speaker 1: podcast was on the air and beyond KQUTY, which means
Speaker 1: that it'd be in the San Francisco Bay area, and
Speaker 1: so I think sometimes those audiences are very different. Um,
Speaker 1: in order for us to be on the radio, if
Speaker 1: they would even let us on the radio, UM, we'd
Speaker 1: have to sort of like have a we'd have to
Speaker 1: have a really strong case for people in this area
Speaker 1: wanting to hear us talk. Yeah, I think they do,
Speaker 1: but UM, we would definitely have to approach it differently
Speaker 1: because sometimes we try jokes that sometimes don't work. They're
Speaker 1: a little too on the edge and I cut them out.
Speaker 1: And if we were on radio, I think there will
Speaker 1: be more pressure and we probably wouldn't be as much
Speaker 1: of ourselves, but we would learn. So KQUT, if you're listening,
Speaker 1: give us a radio spot, because you know, the more
Speaker 1: of the Merrier. There was this talk of on April
Speaker 1: Falls when you're um me and the person that I
Speaker 1: started k QT pop the blog with, taking over for
Speaker 1: Michael Krasny, who does for him the news show in
Speaker 1: the morning, and for April Fol's. We would come on
Speaker 1: and say, hey, we're actually millennials who work here, and
Speaker 1: we're taking so much better than Michael Krasny. Oh I'm
Speaker 1: sorry now for me. For me, I like Michael, but
Speaker 1: I think I'd like to listen anymore. Well, well that's
Speaker 1: very that's nice. I don't work at NP or I
Speaker 1: can say whatever I want. I like listening to you.
Speaker 1: I'd rather listen to you any day. We're just gonna
Speaker 1: sit smile. But that was the idea, and then quickly
Speaker 1: people at the station we're like, that will create riots
Speaker 1: in the streets. We actually believe that that's happening, and
Speaker 1: that they forget that it's April Fol's. People take Michael
Speaker 1: almost as seriously as he takes himself. People love him,
Speaker 1: so Michael has a serious fan. Oh I know, oh,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm probably gonna get some hate for for
Speaker 1: that little statement coming right now, so anticipate, you know what,
Speaker 1: I embraced. I need some trolls at this point. You know,
Speaker 1: we've only been we've only done like, you know what,
Speaker 1: fourteen episodes, So yeah, bring it on. Let's get some.
Speaker 1: Actually now I think I can hear a NPR trolls.
Speaker 1: I deal with radio trolls in the day, So NPR,
Speaker 1: bring it on. So Ryan Murphy's feud season three can
Speaker 1: be about you and Michael Krasy. There's no feud True
Speaker 1: Detective season three. I like Michael, it's just some days
Speaker 1: it's I feel like it's a little too like me,
Speaker 1: me me, some of the stuff. Just to bring it
Speaker 1: back to the cooler stuff that people don't like at all.
Speaker 1: We get people saying like why did you discuss that?
Speaker 1: Or you're totally wrong stranger things or like I don't know,
Speaker 1: And like, as we developed, that's one thing that we've
Speaker 1: had to learn to not be afraid of. Like, as
Speaker 1: an inveterate coward, I kind of shy away from conflict.
Speaker 1: And it's weird having to decide to talk about something
Speaker 1: knowing that certain people will really hate it and they'll
Speaker 1: probably hate you for talking about it, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, like when you when you're kind
Speaker 1: of brought up in a certain way to avoid distress
Speaker 1: and just create comfort wherever you go, the poshway, Yes,
Speaker 1: exactly in the West wing. It's just that's weird. So
Speaker 1: who acts as the decision maker? Because I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: right now thinking, gosh, should we cut out the Michael
Speaker 1: Krastning Park because on this show I make that decision
Speaker 1: too late? It's live now. Um, but who who who?
Speaker 1: Who's the one that makes the final decision or is
Speaker 1: that a group conscious or looking? I mean, is this
Speaker 1: guy right here? Yeah? I kind of felt like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we will what he takes input, Like we'll say if
Speaker 1: I'll say something, and I'll be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: maybe we don't. Maybe we shouldn't say that. Maybe when
Speaker 1: you can cut that out. Um, but you I have
Speaker 1: to give a lot of credits to a manual because
Speaker 1: most people who work in podcasting or radio or whatever
Speaker 1: they get on air, they do their job. They have
Speaker 1: a producer that they work with who is typically sort
Speaker 1: of like helps them cut things, manipulating make it sound great.
Speaker 1: Emmanuel has done most of that. Our entire time him out.
Speaker 1: So we go in, we have the topics, we record,
Speaker 1: and then he spends time editing it all whittling it down,
Speaker 1: contextualizing it for the blog. It's so yes. So I
Speaker 1: typically deferred to him unless I feel strongly about something
Speaker 1: or if I'm like, you know, when maybe I shouldn't
Speaker 1: be on air saying that Manuel, do you have the
Speaker 1: I'll get the after I hit published, right like, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: maybe I should have cut that out. How do you
Speaker 1: get that? And you still get that? Um, it's gone
Speaker 1: now because we've done over a hundred of these episodes.
Speaker 1: Just slipped a little fact. By the way, you're now
Speaker 1: an official podcast once you've done a hundred. Finally, finally
Speaker 1: do we have the rest of that? Um? But they
Speaker 1: just yanked us off a YouTube thing. Sorry guys, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't get that feeling anymore because I'm pretty much perfectionist.
Speaker 1: So before anything goes out, I listened to it like
Speaker 1: seven times. And then when I meet up with these
Speaker 1: guys who are like, oh my god, how's it been going.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen you in so long? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I feel like we've been hanging out for like the
Speaker 1: past five days. Live inside my ears. I've been listening
Speaker 1: to a conversation we had a week ago seven times. Um,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad to say new things and here you
Speaker 1: say new things. Yeah, but yeah, that feeling is gone.
Speaker 1: And you know, if people don't like it, that's fine.
Speaker 1: I always end my show with three killer questions, very
Speaker 1: much a radio thing. Trust me, this will take another
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Yeah, this is These questions do tend to
Speaker 1: have their own life. So the first question I asked
Speaker 1: everybody and I and I want you to take a
Speaker 1: second thing about it. But if you could listen to
Speaker 1: a podcast featuring anybody living or dead, so like your
Speaker 1: dream podcast, and I'll tell you. My favorite answer I've
Speaker 1: heard so far was from one of my students who
Speaker 1: said Bobby Brown and Whitney Houston during the nineties, like,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that would have been a good podcast.
Speaker 1: I would like to hear that. So think about it.
Speaker 1: M hmmm, does anybody have anybody else? That's a really
Speaker 1: good question. Um, don't steal it. And I promises that's
Speaker 1: what radio is, okay. So you know, to dope queens,
Speaker 1: So the idea is to doper queens. No offense to
Speaker 1: Phoebe and Jessica love them, but you know, evolving evolution.
Speaker 1: It will be Sasha, Emilie Obama and It will encapsulate
Speaker 1: that photo that you might have seen where Sasha is
Speaker 1: talking to Ryan Reynolds and in the background, Malia is
Speaker 1: giving her thumbs up, like yeah, so I would love
Speaker 1: to hear that in audio format and two dopest queens
Speaker 1: m I like that. I'm just like, no, I love this.
Speaker 1: I have the title concept me to what two dopest
Speaker 1: queens Cardi B and Tiffany Hattish from Girls Trip. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm here for that. That would be amazing. I would
Speaker 1: listen to that, but I think that I would have
Speaker 1: to turn it off after about ten fifteen minutes. I
Speaker 1: think Cardy would great on me after about ten or
Speaker 1: fifty years. Like weird. Now see, in my world, I
Speaker 1: can't make fun of Cardi B. Because you know that's
Speaker 1: like our Michael Krasny. Cardi B's are Michael Krasny. That's
Speaker 1: quite the jumps. Well, okay, let's make that happen. I
Speaker 1: feel like I need to see that on a T shirt.
Speaker 1: Cardi B is are Michael. We might have just created
Speaker 1: something beautiful. There's my there's another dream podcast Michael and
Speaker 1: Cardi B. He would be so prepared. I don't know
Speaker 1: why when you mentioned it, the first person that came
Speaker 1: to mind. I was like no, and tried to dismiss it,
Speaker 1: but he won't go away. James Brown, like, I would
Speaker 1: love James James Brown, and I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm a Brown and I hope that
Speaker 1: we're related, but we're probably not. But I would like
Speaker 1: a podcast and that followed his life because he got
Speaker 1: I mean, there was some amazing times back in the day,
Speaker 1: just is evidenced by some of his mugshot photos. Just
Speaker 1: to like be in the life, like a day in
Speaker 1: the life with James Brown and hanging out with celebrity
Speaker 1: friends amazing. The other person they came to mind Charlie Murphy.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, no, it would be great to listen
Speaker 1: to Charlie Murphy tell stories every day on a podcast,
Speaker 1: every single day. So those are the two people that
Speaker 1: came to mind for me. I like that. I love
Speaker 1: how I've had the most time to think about it,
Speaker 1: yet I feel the least preferred with this answer. I'm
Speaker 1: a big movie doalk like. I just love movie trivia,
Speaker 1: behind the scenes stories, you know, those oral histories of
Speaker 1: movies you get in like Vanity Fair or something, some
Speaker 1: kind of podcast version of that. It would be amazing
Speaker 1: if you could get everyone involved and everyone cared enough
Speaker 1: you got a club. Yeah yeah, I mean that they
Speaker 1: have those in the interviews on there where they talk
Speaker 1: about back you know a scene or can I tell
Speaker 1: you the A b Club series I love most and
Speaker 1: I horp on this A Bunch History of Violence where
Speaker 1: they talk about action movies and they take action movie
Speaker 1: seriously as like products of the time they were made in.
Speaker 1: And there's no snaring. There's no like irony, because irony
Speaker 1: just kills your soul. Don't do it like step away
Speaker 1: from irony. It's a terrible thing. Um yeah maybe yeah.
Speaker 1: History of Violence podcast me Arnold Schwartzeger. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh sly Sli is not up too much. Okay, that's true.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be more fun. It was hosted by like
Speaker 1: John Wayne Gacy or Jesus. Yeah, somebody actually really knows violent.
Speaker 1: We can go for Dadah, I can speak to it. No,
Speaker 1: Charlie's the wrong because she's the new action hero that
Speaker 1: we need. Oh really, yeah you say that like you
Speaker 1: don't agree with I guess it's yeah, no, I'm just
Speaker 1: thinking about it for a minute. Yeah, I I do enjoy.
Speaker 1: I did enjoy what was the last one? The Last
Speaker 1: Fast and Furious Atomic Blond, Atomic Blonde, which which is
Speaker 1: kind of the same movie as a lot of No No, No.
Speaker 1: That's fine. It's not a great movie, but it is
Speaker 1: a good one. Joy. I have one more idea. Okay,
Speaker 1: so a podcast about like where did They Go? Jonathan
Speaker 1: Taylor Thomas from the nineties j T T to you?
Speaker 1: Where he um Macaulay Culkin. I want to hear from
Speaker 1: him and about his weird hipster band that only things
Speaker 1: about pizza, which is a real thing. He's looking good
Speaker 1: these days, I know better, well best, good, better, not
Speaker 1: as homeless as he looked before. Yeah, he's do you know.
Speaker 1: I think he's gone through some tough times and maybe
Speaker 1: he's on the upswing. He could be going down into
Speaker 1: the down swing again, be Arthur. She would just like
Speaker 1: start an interview and then be like, I'm sick of you,
Speaker 1: get out of here. Because she's a brassy broad and
Speaker 1: I love her. Well, she's dead, So you know what
Speaker 1: a Golden Girls from heaven. I am here for a
Speaker 1: Golden Girls. It could teach me about the Golden Girls
Speaker 1: because I've never seen it. Didn't make it every now
Speaker 1: and then we have these gosh, I'm I'm, I'm really
Speaker 1: losing faith in you. So the second question I asked
Speaker 1: is you know what what piece of technology that that
Speaker 1: you use for in the first time and said, this
Speaker 1: is amazing, this is going to change my life. You
Speaker 1: guys are younger, so this usually is a better question
Speaker 1: for maybe somebody who can say like a walkman. But
Speaker 1: I can't say like a cattle, because then it gives
Speaker 1: me t That's a great answer to that question, the cattle.
Speaker 1: That's a cattle for five. That's great Victorian technology, all right.
Speaker 1: I think the invention of live journal dot com was
Speaker 1: really important to me because I could write my terrible
Speaker 1: poetry and then other teens with terrible poetry would find it,
Speaker 1: and then we would like chat and date. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like the written word is really going away? I
Speaker 1: think that Millennial's right more than ever in a way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we text all the time, but do you feel that
Speaker 1: and as somebody who writes a blog, I mean, do
Speaker 1: you feel that the engagement and that the level of
Speaker 1: attention that people will give to a piece of writing
Speaker 1: is gone down? No? I think people are obsessed with
Speaker 1: think pieces now and everyone has an opinion, and there's
Speaker 1: more people writing, and I just see it going up.
Speaker 1: The trend is that word. Yeah, And you know the
Speaker 1: stereotype is millennials like X, Y and Z, but not
Speaker 1: novels or something. But everyone I know reads. I went
Speaker 1: to the library yesterday and they were like you again. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I always tell people that I think of podcasting.
Speaker 1: It elicits the same feeling in my brain that reading
Speaker 1: does when I'm really into one. It's an escape, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's true empathy, and I'm I'm like into it.
Speaker 1: So I see that that that's the same part of
Speaker 1: the brain being used. So I'm glad to hear that
Speaker 1: they're folks are reading too, because my students are all illiterate,
Speaker 1: terrible high students. They're listening, they're watching right now. A
Speaker 1: couple work for Z or producer. She works. She's not illiterate,
Speaker 1: though she's very smart. Um so like a true latch
Speaker 1: key kid. Television it's something that I love deeply. So
Speaker 1: I will say that the technology that changed my life
Speaker 1: was the DVR. The ability to be hard television shows
Speaker 1: I wish I had when I was in high school
Speaker 1: and middle school, when I missed that episode of Martin
Speaker 1: and I came back to school and everybody was talking
Speaker 1: about it. You would have to wait for summer or
Speaker 1: wait for the re run. So the DVR has changed
Speaker 1: my life, and it's also enabled me to watch more
Speaker 1: television than I probably should. But m what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do? I realized this is going to turn out
Speaker 1: to be six or seven killer questions because I got
Speaker 1: a couple more questions. The one question I asked everybody,
Speaker 1: which is really stupid, but I want you to think
Speaker 1: about I think you will appreciate it if you're a
Speaker 1: sandwich personified, not your favorite sandwich, but a sandwich personified.
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm looking grilled cheese. Look at me, right,
Speaker 1: come on, I'm grilled cheese. What what what would you be? Oh?
Speaker 1: And well, the first thing that came to mind for
Speaker 1: me was like a b LT, but a hallapein. You'll
Speaker 1: be LT because I like it's spicy. I could be
Speaker 1: a little salty. Sometimes you get the salt from the
Speaker 1: bank and there you know, so you'r BLT with just
Speaker 1: a ton of saltan with the sas, but then also
Speaker 1: hallapeno as well. I like it. Yeah, Salt Bay exactly,
Speaker 1: so that would be me, Oh god, my sandwich. I
Speaker 1: think the bread would look really good on the outside,
Speaker 1: but the inside would be kind of not commence tourate
Speaker 1: with the quality of the bread. I really yeah, we
Speaker 1: need it. Sounds like like like like vegemite on brios, Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: teasonal Brioche, and then just like Nutella, but not even Nuteller,
Speaker 1: just like store Brandon Nutella, like some our Brandon teller.
Speaker 1: Why is that? I don't know, because she looks fabulous.
Speaker 1: But inside your your dark hole, your dead soul. Well
Speaker 1: you know you do hate stranger things, so I do
Speaker 1: think part of your soul is dead. Yeah, inside is
Speaker 1: the upside down. Outside is normal. Mor might there you
Speaker 1: go briosh with mom might inside um For me, I'm
Speaker 1: going to pick two pieces of peta mr um. The
Speaker 1: foundation of that is hummus du avocado, mash it in
Speaker 1: maybe some like cucumbers your millennial yeah, called it must
Speaker 1: be present. I can't buy a house obviously, toast. And
Speaker 1: then here's the twist, French fries. Put it all together.
Speaker 1: I'm a vegetarian, but I'm not a healthy one, so
Speaker 1: I want French fries. I want to go to an
Speaker 1: early grave happy because of the French fries, which I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with. Here for a good time, not for a
Speaker 1: long time, exactly. All right, what was the last podcast
Speaker 1: that you binged? Oh? Well, I I listened to a
Speaker 1: certain podcast called The Read, which is hilarious. Um, Emmanuel
Speaker 1: and I have that in common, and so I started watching.
Speaker 1: I started listening to it back in two thousand and fifteen.
Speaker 1: And when I'm caught up, I go back and listen
Speaker 1: to old episodes. So I'm sorry, yeah, two thousand and fifteen,
Speaker 1: but they were around longer than that. Um, So I
Speaker 1: listened to old episodes. So that and then also, um,
Speaker 1: what is that? Um? Revisionist history with Malcolm Love Malcolm.
Speaker 1: I am obsessed with Malcolm Glad While he came to
Speaker 1: the station once and I he was in the booth
Speaker 1: with Michael Krasny, and I kind of sort of stocked
Speaker 1: him through the window. But you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: you'd mind. I think he was probably delighted by you
Speaker 1: hanging around the window. I would be like, all right,
Speaker 1: see you later, Michael. He sounded so happy on that way.
Speaker 1: I have a thing for smart guys. We've talked about
Speaker 1: this in the podcast before what's that guy's name? Good?
Speaker 1: He's a political analyst and David Gargan, Oh, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: very smart. I don't know what he looks like, though.
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say, yeah, he's very hot, and
Speaker 1: I was gonna be like, I need to go. I
Speaker 1: would if he was, but I don't know. He's not well,
Speaker 1: but he's really smart. So what about the brain with you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got his brain. I also listened to the read
Speaker 1: I've also been going back to listen to old episodes,
Speaker 1: and it's interesting to hear their evolution, specifically opinions about
Speaker 1: pop culture. In the beginning, they were like Iggy Azalea
Speaker 1: is the coolest and the best, and now they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: she is evil incarnate, dead to us, and things change.
Speaker 1: And so it made me think twice about on our
Speaker 1: show maybe saying go check out our back catalog because
Speaker 1: maybe there's stuff like that in there. But we might
Speaker 1: be like trumpeting some really problematic that is dangerous culture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but other than that, since that waster's answer, I'll give
Speaker 1: something else food for thought, thought spelled tachot that hole
Speaker 1: over there. Wait a minute, you know one of my
Speaker 1: students was telling me to listen to that. So the
Speaker 1: cover image are three peaches. They look like pots, and
Speaker 1: it is for queer men from New York. One of
Speaker 1: them is an indigenous poet, one of them is an
Speaker 1: ex figure skater, one of them is a scientist, one
Speaker 1: as an editor, and they all come together and talk
Speaker 1: about books because they met at Tin House Residency in Seattle,
Speaker 1: I think. And they also talk about what they like
Speaker 1: to read and who they like to read, so that's
Speaker 1: what they say. Um. So they talked about pop culture
Speaker 1: as well, and the last episode was a book club,
Speaker 1: so it's all you know. One minute they're talking about
Speaker 1: like low down and dirty sex in a locker room,
Speaker 1: and then they're like, so, what my favorite part about
Speaker 1: this novel was? And so I like getting all of
Speaker 1: that from these four boys. You like that high to
Speaker 1: low switch back and I love a good pun thought
Speaker 1: process or like spelled h O T. It's really cute. Um.
Speaker 1: I feel like I constantly binge um the podcast how
Speaker 1: did this get made? I love it so much. I
Speaker 1: have the biggest crush on Jason's man zukas Um. I
Speaker 1: just think that's so funny. Um. In terms of something
Speaker 1: I actually listened to from start to finish, like intensely
Speaker 1: Heaven's Gape. Glen Washington's expiration of that cult tons of
Speaker 1: people died in it was great and um, it made
Speaker 1: me feel better about the fact that I actually wanted
Speaker 1: to make something about that topic myself. And then I
Speaker 1: found out that Glen Washington was going to be making
Speaker 1: a long form podcast about that topic, and I thought, well,
Speaker 1: if anyone's going to do it, might as well be here.
Speaker 1: I just had an idea for this is a question
Speaker 1: just for you guys. Finish the sense the next big
Speaker 1: thing is the next big thing is pretzel pizza. I
Speaker 1: don't know, really just came to mind. You just make
Speaker 1: it up. Was just something you've seen. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: just like, pretzel pizza sounds like a thing. Yeah. Well, um,
Speaker 1: you guys have your fingers on the pulse of like
Speaker 1: what's happening in hot right now? You're the hippest thing
Speaker 1: that NPR has. You better we'll be stealing that quote
Speaker 1: Mattie Stout from My Heart Radio says, that's on back
Speaker 1: cover ever first and only book. Or do you want
Speaker 1: me to go? I want you to go first. I
Speaker 1: have a thinking time. Um, next it's not avocado toast.
Speaker 1: I would love if we're gonna go with video podcasting
Speaker 1: and it's going in that direction, what about a hologram
Speaker 1: and we can just be like in full effect three
Speaker 1: sixty degrees and you can talk to us about how
Speaker 1: cute our butts are. I don't know, so we would
Speaker 1: literally be into someone's living room, and I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys testing out that question for me.
Speaker 1: I now know. Do not ask that question to anyone again,
Speaker 1: because nobody seems to have an answer unless you have one.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I'll be I'll be sincere all right, I'll
Speaker 1: take the bait you were talking about people actually still
Speaker 1: consuming long form stuff content novels. Just because you produce
Speaker 1: something that's short like a text, doesn't mean you don't
Speaker 1: like consuming longer stuff. And I think that stuff long
Speaker 1: stuff is just going to keep getting longer. That's my sincere.
Speaker 1: On I want to put that on my book stuff.
Speaker 1: Don't twist my words now, please, Well, folks, I've had
Speaker 1: so much fun. We'll do it again. We'll come up.
Speaker 1: I want to have you guys on and we'll do
Speaker 1: a show where we we do a podcast round up
Speaker 1: or something, and um, I really appreciate carly A Jamdra
Speaker 1: and Emmanuel, thank you, appreciate you, thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: for coming on. So that was my favorite interview we've
Speaker 1: done yet because they were here in studio. I agree,
Speaker 1: I agree, And they were just so fun and personable
Speaker 1: and it was cool to have the Facebook live and everything.
Speaker 1: And I like them. And let me give you some
Speaker 1: shout out there, z so and I heart Radio San Francisco.
Speaker 1: We have a new system in place where we do
Speaker 1: Facebook live, Twitter live and going to be YouTube all
Speaker 1: at the same time in our studios. So this is
Speaker 1: a new system and z is the one who was
Speaker 1: running it. And so this first one we did for
Speaker 1: Access podcast was one of the first ones we've done.
Speaker 1: So good job. It looked great, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: It was fun to do. And they're good looking kids
Speaker 1: like they should be on video. Mean not so much,
Speaker 1: but what are you gonna do? Whatever? I mean, we can't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say anything about that. Wow, you're supposed
Speaker 1: to say no way, Matt oh wow. So this would
Speaker 1: be a great day. We thought to talk about some
Speaker 1: podcasts that NPR that are actually some of these are
Speaker 1: radio shows that are also podcasts on NPR. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing. NBR produces some great stuff and and most
Speaker 1: people know them now is podcast more than radio shows. So, um,
Speaker 1: I'm anxious to hear what you picked out, all right,
Speaker 1: So the first one is a shout out to an
Speaker 1: O G. It's This American Life. Yes, you can't go wrong. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you know, This American Life broke all the barriers
Speaker 1: for podcasting. It was the first podcast asked that that
Speaker 1: I know in Stitcher that we when we got on,
Speaker 1: it was immediately the most downloaded podcast we had. And
Speaker 1: it's one of the first NPR shows to make more
Speaker 1: money from podcasting than from the actual radio show. That yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely amazing. I like it because, like they'll hit on
Speaker 1: topics like the me Too movement, But then they also
Speaker 1: have an episode about how dogs and cats play a life,
Speaker 1: like a role in your family, you know, just like
Speaker 1: different topics that we think about. And I read Glass
Speaker 1: obviously amazing storytellers. So let's hear a little bite from
Speaker 1: This American Life. How they're in Her girlfriend go with
Speaker 1: a cat named Sid. The girlfriend was always inventing these cute,
Speaker 1: little affectionate nicknames for Sid. I never did that for Heather.
Speaker 1: She was always praising Sid and asking Heather to pray Sid.
Speaker 1: We never gave it that kind of approval to Heather.
Speaker 1: Any think she was kind of detached when it came
Speaker 1: to Heather. So even though it was just a cat
Speaker 1: against her will, against her better judgment, how they started
Speaker 1: to get jealous. I remember that I would sort of
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and I would hear her
Speaker 1: saying things like you were so beautiful, you are a princess.
Speaker 1: Look at you, and you know, as I opened my eyes,
Speaker 1: I realized that she's talking not to me, but to
Speaker 1: the cat. I feel like I should talk um more
Speaker 1: dignified after listening to NPR. And by the way, if
Speaker 1: you've never heard my Ira Glass story, go to episode
Speaker 1: one of Access podcast where we're talking from to Seth Land,
Speaker 1: who worked on This American Like. He's the operations director
Speaker 1: for This American Life. I tell the story of how
Speaker 1: when I talked to Ira Glass on the phone and
Speaker 1: and and I felt like I was on an episode
Speaker 1: of This American Life. Go check it out episode one. Okay,
Speaker 1: my second one is a radio lab, which I didn't
Speaker 1: hear about until you talked to Carla Marie and Anthony
Speaker 1: about it and how you were saying it's a great podcast,
Speaker 1: like if you're on a road trip, and I was.
Speaker 1: I was on a long trip with a couple of
Speaker 1: my cousin and recently and then I just listened to
Speaker 1: it because I don't want to hear them talk, and
Speaker 1: it was amazing. They're just like hour long, thirty minute
Speaker 1: long episodes, and they're really good stories. Yes, Peabody Award
Speaker 1: winning radio lab. I turn around and I see state
Speaker 1: of similar, white state of similar ducking down behind their death.
Speaker 1: If I'm not your hand, is this the way the
Speaker 1: racist government works exercises it's constitutional rights. You can point
Speaker 1: to this forgotten unknown moment here in the state building
Speaker 1: in Sacramento as like the game changer for the conversation
Speaker 1: about guns in America. I'm gonna be perfectly transparency. You
Speaker 1: often hear me say to folks, podcasting creates empathy. Correct.
Speaker 1: I took that from a jad Apple brom YouTube video
Speaker 1: that I showed my classes where he talks about radio
Speaker 1: creating empathy. But I show it to every class every
Speaker 1: semester because it's it's really good looking up chat on radio.
Speaker 1: If you if you want to find that on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Last One, Last One Snap Judgment Judgment. Yeah, I really
Speaker 1: like this. They had a recent one it's called Counted
Speaker 1: in Oakland Story and it was about the year long
Speaker 1: look at people who lost their lives to Oakland violence.
Speaker 1: And I think because we're local and in the Bay area,
Speaker 1: it just kind of hit home. Yeah, and the podcast
Speaker 1: is national and it's very popular with the young folks.
Speaker 1: Um it is. I would say it's more it's the
Speaker 1: millennial this American life, that's what judgment. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's check it out. A lot of martyrs an Oveland
Speaker 1: going solved, and then you got the revenge part when
Speaker 1: the other killer get killed and then a nice killer
Speaker 1: get killed, then the nice killer get killed, and it's
Speaker 1: like they're wiping each other out. And then the ones
Speaker 1: that's in jail, they're not getting charged because of the runaround.
Speaker 1: We need a witness, we need somebody him. Then we
Speaker 1: need to take the stand. So then once you do
Speaker 1: tell him this person STI, you gotta go back to
Speaker 1: the same neighborhood and then I'm gonna call you a snitch.
Speaker 1: And then his friends and it might come like your
Speaker 1: house of just because they know you went down to
Speaker 1: the courthouse. I grew up seeing this ship all the dawntime,
Speaker 1: bullet for bullet, blood for blood, revenge, good stuff, good
Speaker 1: stuff this week. See you can leave that in there.
Speaker 1: My voice just cracked like Peter Brady. Hey, good stuff Ze.
Speaker 1: I'm still my voice is still not back a for
Speaker 1: being sick with that. Yeah, and not the fact that
Speaker 1: I'm still a pre perviouscence fur year old. Alright. Access
Speaker 1: podcast has been produced by the one and only z
Speaker 1: Zanyanya Always. But we'll keep trying, Zion. What's spelled wrong
Speaker 1: on my thing wrong? Our engineers. I want to give
Speaker 1: it up for engineer David Williams, who has made all
Speaker 1: of the stuff happening, all the video stuff, the podcast studio. Uh.
Speaker 1: He is the best radio engineer I have ever worked with.
Speaker 1: David Williams, the best horse swan to great and Red,
Speaker 1: They're all good. And shout out to Anna, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'll forget about it and it's the best Anna, who
Speaker 1: is working here on an exchange program from Drexel University.
Speaker 1: And I just love seeing new talent come up through
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Speaker 1: out and she you you you know what. I I
Speaker 1: often will see your posts and feel like you're you're
Speaker 1: like my age because like you'll be posting about television
Speaker 1: and stuff. I'm like she just sitting home watching TV
Speaker 1: like me. It makes me feel like I'm not so
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