1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on Home of the Black and 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: Goal Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm Dale Ally here 3 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: with Matt Williamson. This is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. 4 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: Of course, you can subscribe to us wherever you download 5 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: your podcast. We appreciate it that if you do, you 6 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: can like the show, you can also like the blowing praises. 7 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: I got a lot of feedback on the draft coverage 8 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: that we did over the weekend. It was long, but 9 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: fun and went quick as it always does, and I 10 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. I don't know how you felt about this, 11 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: and you you do more of this than I do, 12 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: but I felt better prepared for this draft then I've 13 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: been maybe for any other draft. It felt like I 14 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: knew there was no there were no surprise names out there. 15 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: Oh I don't who's that guy? Right? Every year, every 16 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: year there's somebody that goes earlier. I remember Mike Mitchell 17 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: was the first one. The one year. You remember him 18 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: coming out of you and I didn't know he to 19 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: be a Steeler, but Al Davis takes him in the 20 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: early second round because he's big and fast, and I 21 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: went I remember I was on the air. I was 22 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: like he's big and he's fat, you know, like a 23 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: couple of Steeler guys I had to do a little 24 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: more homework on. Don't get me wrong. I mean I 25 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: didn't know their whole bio and their whole sky and 26 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: report when it happened, but that they were late guys too, 27 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: like right, yeah, and I mean the punter, we didn't 28 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: look a whole lot of specialists. But uh so the 29 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: I knew he was a big punter. Yeah. Draft, Yes, 30 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: the fifth year options were due today as we met 31 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: in a previous segment. The Steelers did not pick up 32 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: the fifth year option on Terrell Edmonds, but they were 33 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: not alone and got in not picking up real quick. 34 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: Rules are done different now. It's not just like it's 35 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: not a no brainer anymore, like if if you're on 36 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: the fence, it's not necessarily a good idea. This helped, 37 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: I think the guys in the top ten to a 38 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: large degree, and some of those guys in the middle. 39 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: I think it hurt the guys towards the end of 40 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: a couple of names and names that were on Steeler 41 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: fans mind when the draft happened four years ago. If 42 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: you recalled, but I'm not sure it's great to be 43 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: in the body. Here's what happened. Used to be the 44 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: top ten picks. Their fifth year option was also pre slotted. Yeah, 45 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: it's X amount, and it was it was. I believe, 46 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: if memory serves, they got the average of the franchise 47 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: tag at their position. Is that what it was? I 48 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: believe that was it. So they got paid big money 49 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: if you were in the top ten. Those top ten 50 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: guys were guaranteed that if you picked up the option. 51 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: The difference was is that wasn't get it became fully 52 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: guaranteed if the player was on the roster the following 53 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: year in that year. Now the way it is, and 54 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: there's the other ten, the other third, the other twenty 55 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: two guys after that, we're all slott of a certain 56 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: pay right. If you're the twick, it's a little bit, 57 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: but a little bit. You made more than the Yeah, 58 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: you made more than the twenty second pick. And they're 59 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: so on, so slightly different. Now this was negotiated in 60 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: the new CB. A um, if you've been to a 61 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, you get the average of the franchise tag, 62 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: which I have a problem with because Pro Bowl is 63 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: not a great indicator. No, I assume that They just mean, 64 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: all you have to do is somehow get there, which 65 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: could mean you're the six quarterback that deserves it and 66 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: everyone else opts out or is it in the super 67 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: Bowl or injured or whatever. If you haven't made that, 68 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: but you've been a starter, you get essentially the transition 69 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: tag money. How do they know who what a starter is? Though, Well, 70 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: you have to play a certain number of snaps that 71 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: kind So if yeah, if you look at this um 72 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: run down the listener, the Browns picked up Baker Mayfield 73 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: at eighteen point eight million. However, one year ago that 74 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: wasn't a slammed up No, yeah, you know what I mean, Like, 75 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: and that's still a pretty significant race for for Baker 76 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: Mayfield together. I mean, he was making like ten and 77 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: now he goes up to eight team. I mean, there's 78 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: a chance he doesn't and they're going to have to 79 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: They're gonna have to probably sign him to an extension. 80 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: But it's an easy decision. At the point of course, 81 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: they do squom Barkley's fifth year option seven point to 82 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: one seven. They exercise that. Just look at the difference though, 83 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: from running back to the quarterback, and that's the teams 84 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,559 Speaker 1: are going to deal with next year, you're going forward 85 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: Sam Donald. This is why when we talked about Sam 86 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: Donald in the potential of the Steelers trading for him, 87 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: to me, it just didn't make any sense. So Carolina 88 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: trades for him. They've never seen it. He's never played 89 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: it down for the Panthers, but they have to because 90 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: they traded for him pick up his fifth year option, 91 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: because you can't just do it for one year. They 92 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: were a little bit slick and wait until after the 93 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: draft to make people think that they might take a 94 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: guy instead of a position player, but they were the 95 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: second they made the trade, they knew this was coming. 96 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: So they're now on the hook for the same eight 97 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: teen point eight five eight million dollars for Sam Donald 98 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: as Baker Mayfield. And that's fully guaranteed the moment this year. 99 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: The difference was the moment you offered that money, that 100 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: made that offer to the player, it becomes fully guaranteed 101 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: the next year. So essentially you're guaranteeing the two years 102 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: of his contract because you can't even if you cut 103 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: him after the year, you still owe him that money. 104 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: That's the money is guaranteed. Like a lot of people 105 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: looked at Donald and thought he's very cost controlled for 106 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: the next couple of years. He is, but it's it's 107 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: four million million, then it becomes what eighteen and if 108 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: he's not your starting if he's not your starting quarterback, 109 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: next year, you got eighteen million, almost nineteen million dollars 110 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: tied up in a guy who isn't your starting quarterback, 111 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: which is why Bridgewater is gone. But it's kind of 112 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: the same move that they made with Bridgewater. They gave 113 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: Bridgewater similar, similar money and then decided that he's not 114 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: the guy, and then they trade Bridgewater. They had Bridgewater 115 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: ten million guaranteed, trade Bridgewater for a six round pick, 116 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: and they ate seven million of that deal too. So 117 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: Denver is only paying him three in a year in 118 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: which I saw it today, I think the they have 119 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: like sixteen or seventeen million and dead money to Teddy 120 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: Bridgewater this year, in a year in which the Caps 121 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: only hunt an eighty two million. It's like ten percent 122 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: of their caps tied up in Teddy Bridgewater. It's Teddy Bridgewater. 123 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember that deal happened though too, because 124 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: he he had just left New Orleans a very quarterback 125 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: friendly situation, played what four or five games the Saints 126 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: won all the games, and he was okay, like that 127 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: was a bad sign. The second Yeah, so Sam Donald 128 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: on there on the hook for eight teen point eight 129 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: five eight million, Denzel, I know we batched Bridgewater a lot, 130 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: but the Broncos is popped up on the screen and 131 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: I'm thinking they don't think they have the quarterback situation 132 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: solved either, you know, I mean they gave him nothing 133 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: for this guy, Denzel Award the Browns exercise his option 134 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: thirteen point to nine millions. So and that this is 135 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: the problem with with having a lot of guys hit 136 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: at the same time. Yeah, Myles Garrett was a year before, 137 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: two guys in the top four, and so you now 138 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: you're now tying up thirty two million dollars on your 139 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: cap this year between or next year between those two guys. Obviously, 140 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: it's better to hit than miss on your top ten picks. Absolutely, 141 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: you had m You've had great cheap labor to this point. 142 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: But now is a different turning point in the franchise 143 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: history real and the problem then becomes, if we talked 144 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: about with Rurell Evans in the previous segment, now you're 145 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: gonna try maybe after this year, next year, to do 146 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: a new contract with Denzel Award, you would think. And 147 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: the starting point, if I'm his agent's gonna be, well, 148 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: you just paid him thirteen point three million dollars. So 149 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: it just dawned on me they used the first round 150 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: pick on the corner. Yeah, maybe they realized they're gonna 151 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: have to let him go. Yeah. I don't think they're 152 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: gonna be able to do it for him because I 153 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: don't think Denzel Ward's a thirteen point three million dollar cornerback. 154 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: They'd have to play at a really high level. And 155 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: then can you afford to franchise him and go there? 156 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: And you know, maybe Newsome and Williams are next year's 157 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: first round pick or your corners. So in the first casualty, 158 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: uh get the Joku too, like he's Yeah, that didn't 159 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: work out. Bradley Chubb with the Broncos classified as a 160 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: defensive end. First of all, I think that's what he is, 161 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: which makes a difference in the compensation because he gets 162 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: twelve point seven million dollars, which worked out better for 163 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: t J. Right, he was not classifieds a defensive end. No, 164 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: it worked out worse. He didn't get him. He was 165 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: classified as an outside linebacker outside make more, they make less. Yeah, 166 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: that's what I mean. We're better for the Steelers. So 167 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: you said worked out, but we worked out better for 168 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: t J. Didn't work out better for t J. It's 169 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: the same argument Bud dupre Head last year. I'm I'm 170 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: an edge the same as these guys. Uh, not fair. 171 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: That needs to be cleared up. Yeah, that's I don't know. 172 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: Quentin Nelson thirteen point seven five million dollars that they 173 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: picked that up obviously, of course, but that's a lot 174 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: for a guard. That's a lot of money for a guard. 175 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: Maybe they moved in the tackle this year. I guess 176 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 1: that's still on the you know, in a potential move. 177 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: They but what did Joe Tuney make something like that? Yeah, 178 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean I'd rather have Nelson, especially age considered. These 179 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: top guards are starting to make some money. But this 180 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: is again, you know, these guys start, these guys started 181 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: to getting expensive. Speaking of which Josh Allen was seven. 182 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: He gets twenty three point one million dollars next year. 183 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: Why is he different than Baker Because he's made a 184 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: probile that's the different Yeah, that's the difference. It's a 185 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: you know, basically a four million dollar difference, and they're 186 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: gonna extend him and Mars extended long term, and so 187 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: it's Baker. But uh yeah, I didn't put two and 188 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 1: two together. These guys aren't cheap anymore. He lost that, 189 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: You lost that option on him. And what's funny is 190 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: the Steelers have suffered the wrong word. You don't suffer 191 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,599 Speaker 1: with Ben Roethlisberger. But I've had to deal with that 192 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: for forever. Maybe next year you won't. You know, it's 193 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: amazing when you're you're lucky enough to get in that situation. 194 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: Real Kwan Smith Bears picked up his option nine point 195 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: seven three five. He really stepped up this past year. 196 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: So I think that's the going rate and ascending player. 197 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: You know, they don't have a lot of draft picks 198 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: going forward and stuff too, they so I think you 199 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: gotta build around him. Mike McGlinchey with the forty Niners 200 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: ten point eight ten point eight eight million dollars, they 201 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: picked that up and Trump Williams is the highest paid 202 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: tackle in the league too. Yeah, they get a lot 203 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: of money players on the offensive line. Uh Now, Josh 204 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 1: Rosen's listed with the forty niner because he's on his 205 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: fourth team he's a Niner right now, I think. But 206 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: they don't have to pick up his option because he's 207 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: been released like seventeen times. So okay, I mean, like Mika, 208 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: you do because he's been traded. Yeah, because he's been 209 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: to New car He's not on his rookie contract in 210 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: that contract. So the Dolphins missed badly on that one, 211 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: Yes they did. Dolphins. Dolphins traded for Cardinals, the Cardinals, 212 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: Cardinals very very badly. The Steelers would make it Fitzpatrick. 213 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: They exercised as ten point six one two million dollars 214 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: and the news day it was coming the second they 215 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: traded for. But again, that safety price is not when 216 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: you look at some of these other ones, is like 217 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: not for one of the better defenders in the league. 218 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: Guy has been a two time, you know, he's been 219 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: an All Pro. The difference between one of the pro 220 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: bow and being an All Pro. Uh twelve point seven. 221 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: I mean I'd much rather make it than Chubb. Yeah yeah. Uh. 222 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: Vita Villa defensive tackle for the Buccaneers. They picked up 223 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: the option on him seven point six. I think he's 224 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: worth it. Yeah. He came back like gangbusters and it 225 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: was really good before his injury like, that's kind of 226 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: a no brainer. Yeah. Washington at thirteen exercised their option 227 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: on Deron Payne. He's a really good player eight point 228 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: five million. UM Marcus Davenport by the Saints nine point 229 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: five five. I thought he was maybe the one that 230 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: was not they picked it up the get He's been 231 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: a little disappointed they trade up for him. Yeah. The 232 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: Raiders at fifteen took Colton Miller. They not only did 233 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: they extraly, they didn't worry about exercise, and they gave 234 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: Hi an extension. They signed him this office, which I mean, 235 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure the extension was the the tag. The fifth 236 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: year was the jumping off point. Yeah, well there's no doubt, right. Uh. Sixteen, 237 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: the Bills took Tremaine Edmonds. They exercise that option. At 238 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: twelve point seven, Derwin James was exercise. He's he's at 239 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: nine point oh five too. That would have been a 240 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: tough one. He is the player him, just on standalone. Yes, 241 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: you better trust your doctors and they better be saying 242 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: but he's only really played one season. Phenomenal though, I 243 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: mean healthy, I'd take him over make over ever every 244 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: safety in the league. I think he's different, but I'm sure. 245 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: The healthy is a keyword here. He was going to 246 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: run into that here some other guys, uh, And they 247 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: didn't get their options picked up. JayR Alexander was a 248 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: no brainer third team point two nine four for its 249 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: not bad for a number one corner. See, I have 250 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: much less of a problem paying him that than I 251 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: do Denzel Award. Oh yeah, not even close. Better player 252 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Cowboys was late and Vanderish, the guy everybody 253 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: wanted the Steelers just trade up to get. Did not 254 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: pick up his his extension or did not They declined 255 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: to the option on him that would have been nine 256 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: point one five million. He can't stay on the field 257 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: and that was an issue for him at Boise. Then 258 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: they drafted Michael Parsons in the first round and as 259 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: you mentioned off the year, another linebacker in the mid rounds. 260 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: You know, so I know we're not talking about Jalen Smith, 261 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: but I think they regret resigning him too. He has 262 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: this drop foot issue that is never going to be better. 263 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: I mean that pairing. You haven't got a lot of 264 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: good snaps out of the two of them combined. And 265 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: they're going back to the well. And Shaun Lee retired 266 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: and he's had the same injuries too, I mean us 267 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: So he's the first one that was declined, straight up declined, 268 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: but number was the overall. Uh he was nineteen. Okay, 269 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: I think that was the first one that was actually, yeah, 270 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: he's the first actual guy that was declined. A good 271 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: draft class of eighteen in a row. Yeah, or they're 272 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: all gonna bring you back because none of those are 273 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: cheap deals. The Lions exercise the option on Frank Rag. 274 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: Now this is expensive though, good player, but twelve point 275 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: six five million for a center. I wonder is that 276 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: interior line or center its own thing. I'm curious how 277 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: they how they rank that because he is a center, 278 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: he's a center. He must have made a Pro Bowl. 279 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: He did, Yeah, he did. Okay, so because he's more 280 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: than the next guy in the list, Billy Price. Billy 281 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: Price thinks whose option was not declined, that was ten 282 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: point four. Yeah, oh yeah, it's an easy one. The Titans. 283 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: The Titans with Rashaun Evans, another guy Steve Fans wanted 284 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: to trade up four declined that that one could be 285 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: like the Edmunds Steelers one where not a bad player, 286 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: but a bad player maybe not quite worth that suck. Yeah, 287 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: they've really reshuffled their defense and put money into corners 288 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: and bud and I think they just want to look 289 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: at things a little differently on defense, shuffle those deck 290 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: a lot. But he maybe a Titan for the next 291 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: three years too. Yeah, it could happen. The Patriots at 292 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: twenty three took Isaiah Win. They exercise his option at 293 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: ten point four. I don't if he's a guard at tackle. 294 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if they know what he is yet, 295 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: because he can't stay in the field, you can't down 296 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: the field. They have a lot of linemen. They have 297 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: money though, Yeah, it makes sense. The Panthers at twenty 298 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: four with d J. Moore eleven point one million dollars. 299 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: They picked that easy one. Yeah, but I'm pretty sure 300 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: after well, no, never mind, this one. Next one is 301 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: kind of surprising, although they did just draft Kyle Pitts. 302 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst at five point four million dollars was declined. Declined, 303 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: They gave up. He gave up a premium pick, second 304 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: round pick straight up for him, and then and then 305 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: you just gonna let him go because you got what 306 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: you could use him in pits. Yeah, I don't even 307 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: if it's didn't exist. Five point four million is not Yeah, 308 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: I would say with pitch didn't exist, I think I 309 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: would probably keep them. Um, he's okay, Yeah, I don't 310 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: love him. I mean his age is probably loving that though, 311 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: though you get to hit the market next year. I mean, 312 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't think he's quite at the Hunter Henry Johnny 313 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: Smith level, but he might be the probably the best tight. Well, 314 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: those guys both got paid. Yeah, he's he gets eight 315 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: million dollars on the open market. Is you know, okay, 316 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: this is good news for you. Maybe New eng will 317 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: sign him to the Ravens, don't bring him back. Uh 318 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: so that was declined. Calvin Ridley eleven point one million. 319 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: Obviously that's for the Falcons. Uh Rashod Penny declined one 320 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: and everybody knew that was a bad pick when they 321 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: made at four point five million. We mentioned they just resign. 322 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: Carson mentioned Edmonds declined. Tavin Brian with the Jaguars officially, Yeah, 323 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: but that's an easy one. He hardly plays for them. 324 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: Um struggles to learn a bit. Yeah. Mike Hughes with 325 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: the Vikings at twelve point six declined, Yeah, I guess 326 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: you gotta do that. They've drafted a lot of corners later. 327 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: They made a lot of picks lately. So Sony Michelle 328 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: with the pack with the Patriots, that's gonna be, that's 329 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: gonna be declined. He issues, And I think they drafted 330 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: it back this year too. I forget who, but they 331 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: have the last couple of years. Harris is probably the 332 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 1: starter there and then obviously Lamar Jackson at twenty three 333 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: point one was picked up. So if you look at 334 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: the guys drafted from nineteen on, yeah, one, two, three, four, 335 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: Five guys out of thirteen picks were declined, whereas in 336 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: years passed previously, those guys would have been the ones 337 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: that are much more likely to have theirs picked up 338 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: because they're a lot cheaper. Because they're cheaper, right, Yeah, 339 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: I think those guys in the bottom third didn't get 340 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: any favors with the new c B A oh and 341 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: all though that's a really good first round. Yeah, it 342 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: wasn't like seven declines. But this goes back to what 343 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: we talked about with that fifth fifth round, the option 344 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: unless the guy's a star, and really those first sixteen 345 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: or so picks or the or your slam dunk first 346 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: rounders and then everybody after that is essentially a second 347 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: rounder in all but name sure. I mean, I'm sure 348 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 1: if we pulled up the second round, there's a lot 349 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: of good names that are just as good as Edmonds 350 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: and Hers and even Ridley and guys like and those 351 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: are good players. But there's a lot of receivers those 352 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: years too. Um. Think about Naj though, if you if 353 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: you bring a full circle to where will Naj be 354 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: four years from now, which none of us know, he 355 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: might be out of league. He may be the best 356 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: back we've ever seen. I mean, he's probably gonna be 357 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: somewhere between. Somewhere in between that. Yeah, but the running 358 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: back numbers aren't crazy, aren't crazy, you know? I mean 359 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: if he makes a couple of Pro Bowls, then that Yeah. 360 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: If he doesn't make a Pro Bowl, I don't think 361 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: you extend him anyway. Well you see the difference here. Okay, 362 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: so say Kwon Barkley was the second overall pick, he 363 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: made a Pro Bowl seven point two million, so it'll 364 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: be under that probably, yeah, and there'll be some inflation, 365 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure, but well it probably goes up a little 366 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: bit from guy different than Okay, just Pro Bowl no 367 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: matter what. In the first round, and then even if 368 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: it's nine, the number umber shot Penny was four point five. Okay, 369 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: So even if it's nine, Let's say Harris goes to 370 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl and you love him and he's a 371 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: very good player, You're you're picking up that option at 372 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: nine easily, You've already got four years of labor out 373 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: of the guy, and then you can have the conversation 374 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: a year from then to franchise them, which probably won't 375 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: be much different than nine anyway. So if you get 376 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: six years out of him at say twenty million for 377 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: the last two years, I mean, I'm inflating it a 378 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: little bit. And whatever he makes on his first contract, 379 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: that's great, you know. I mean, because he's not gonna 380 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: last pass that. I'm sure they're not gonna extend him 381 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: for year seven, eight, nine, ten, And if if he 382 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: is a superstar Hall of Famer, probably on one year deals. 383 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: No one's signing long term running back deals in year seven. Yeah, 384 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: So here's the here's the difference here. So LEVI, I'm bell. 385 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: Steelers took him in a second round in uh they 386 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: gave him one point three million dollars signing bonus. His 387 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: his first year's salary was four hundred thousand dollars, so 388 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: he made one point seven million dollars in actual cast 389 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: year one. Year two, he had a ninety seven thousand 390 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: dollar roster bonus, but his salary is only four nine five, 391 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: So he made five two thousand dollars that year. Uh, 392 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: you're talking about his earnings, his his money. That what 393 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: he was paid that year, uh, six eighty seven thousand dollars, 394 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: and he got a forty three thousand dollars in incentives 395 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: that he earned seven thirty one anything under a million. Yeah, wonderful, 396 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: eight fifty three in year four. So this is the 397 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: inflation they get year to year. And then they had 398 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: the franchise tag him in year five at twelve point 399 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: one two million, And that was only that high because 400 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson had just signed a huge deal that sent 401 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: him a little bit, so it changed to mark it 402 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: a little bit, otherwise it would have been more like 403 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: ten million. Uh. So he made more money on that 404 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: franchise tag in twent seventeen by far, and complained about 405 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: it than what he made in his previously double Yeah. Wow, Um, 406 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: you know it's the first rounder nag is going to 407 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: make more than that obviously per year, per year, he'll 408 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: get a bigger signing bonus, but you're still getting you know, 409 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: this is my this is my problem with the running 410 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: back position. You know, I know it sounds great to say, 411 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: just run him into the ground and then get another one. 412 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: Is it really fair to those guys to do that 413 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: playing on rookie contracts? They it's most unfair to that 414 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: position of all. I mean, the c b A is 415 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: brutal on running backs, not fair at all. And we've 416 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: seen what it looks like when you don't have one. 417 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: You know, when you don't have a great one, it's 418 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: not great. It's not good. Um. You know, the CBA 419 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: is terrible for running backs. Yeah, I mean, it just 420 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: it has been the last couple of CBA has been 421 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: terrible for running backs, and it's worse than ever. I 422 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: do wonder we have seen a little bit of a 423 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: run in running backs making good money. McCaffrey got signed, 424 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: Zeke Cook, Kamara. I mean, guys that are bumping up 425 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: that top five number a little faster than it has 426 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: in recent past. And all those guys can catch the ball. 427 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: They've signed extensions. In five seasons with the Steelers, Levian 428 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: Bell made sixteen million dollars to be arguably, if not 429 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: the best back in the league, certainly in the top five. 430 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, over that five year sch three million dollars 431 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: a year. That's nice, that running back. I don't care 432 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: where you draft him. It's cheap labor. Yeah. The argument, though, 433 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: the thing we're overlooking is, and I'm in favor of it, 434 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: but if you use pick on a tackle and he's 435 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: a starter, well, the difference between most starting tackles and 436 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: your rookie tackle is even greater than the running back. 437 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: But is the six is the number six tackle or 438 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: whatever or the you know what? I can't even remember 439 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: how many tackles were takeing um? But is he guaranteed 440 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: to start right away? Was he going to any Pro Bowls? Right? 441 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: Is he guaranteed to start right away? How much? How 442 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: does he? How much better does he make you on 443 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: game day and whenever his time comes up? For that option? 444 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: It's a bigger number. It's a much bigger like safeties 445 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: running backs. I don't think tight ends are real high, 446 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: although kiddo one Kelsey might screw that up a little bit. 447 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's an easy pick up because it's a 448 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: low number. And keep seeing the keep seeing the argument, well, 449 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: you know, you can get those running backs in later rounds. 450 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: I think if you, if you really paid attention in 451 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: this year's draft, I don't know that you could. I 452 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: don't think the league reacted as though you could. They 453 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: certainly didn't look that way, right, Yeah you can. There 454 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: were more by the time the fourth running back came 455 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: off the bold, which is trace sermon. Yeah, there were 456 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: more tight ends picked than running backs in this draft. 457 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: Massive gap from Williams the sermon, what was it like 458 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: thirties picks? Right? More than that? More than that, yeah, 459 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: because he was a late third. He was a late 460 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: third round he was eight and Williams I think it 461 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: was like thirty four. Yeah, that's a huge gap in 462 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: a position, more than a round than a half. Did 463 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: any other position have a gap that big at any 464 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: point in the draft. And this was a defensive tackle 465 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: class that was awful even quarterbacks, and those guys would 466 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: go without a quarterback taking right. So it just that's 467 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: the way it played out this year. And you know, um, 468 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: every draft is different. You can't just look. I get 469 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: the argument that, well, you know you can find running 470 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: backs anywhere. Yeah you can, you can. But if you 471 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: don't have been fifth and six round safeties that have 472 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: been good players too. Absolutely, you can find the reality 473 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: of the situation is you can find a quarterback in 474 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: the sixth round. If you want one, you can find 475 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: him undrafted. Tony Romo was undrafted. Doesn't mean you should. Yeah, 476 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that that's what you should try to 477 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: do every year. You should try to do it every year, 478 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you should count on doing it. One of 479 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: the things I think running backs have going against them, 480 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: which is to no fault of their own, there's more 481 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: people walking around the mall that looked like running backs 482 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: and tackles and ed drushers and or even have corner traits. 483 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the other positions have rarer traits amongst human 484 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: beings on the planet, you know. So that's just kind 485 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: of the way that and the other part of that 486 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: wear and tears, sits to wear and tear. How many 487 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: of these great college running back she look, I said, 488 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: well he would have been a great pro or this guy. Yeah, 489 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: you know those type of guy. Because some of those guys, right, um, okay, uh, 490 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: and yeah, you can find those guys later. But those 491 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: guys who were drafted later, you don't see long careers 492 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: out of those guys. And when I say when I 493 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: say a long career for running back, I'm talking three 494 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: years right, let alone six? Let alone sick getting six 495 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: quality seasons at him? It doesn't happen. I mean, even 496 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: James Robinson, perfect example, heck of a story. You can 497 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: get your James Robinson. New staff comes in and says, 498 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna take it back to the first take taken 499 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: instead Robinson. I'm sure we'll play, and I'm sure they 500 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: like him and he's fine, but they watched the tape 501 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: and say I get better at that position, you know. 502 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: I mean Terrell Davis is probably one of the great 503 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: Late Realms running backs. It really had three good years 504 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: with all respect that TV. Who I don't think the 505 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer I don't think so either. Who wasn't 506 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: Mike Anderson comes in behind him. Um, there's like three 507 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: other examples that weren't each one Like people threw that 508 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: argument at I mean one in in ten years, uh 509 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: Shanahan had seven different backs running for a thousand yards 510 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: or whatever. Okay, yeah, how many of them did it consistently? 511 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: You know? One of them was Clinton Portis. By the way, 512 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: I was gonna say before this conversation, they traded Champ Bailey, 513 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: who's in the Hall of Fame and would probably be 514 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: the first pick in just about any draft straight up 515 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: for Porters. And I think they threw in a pick. 516 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: And don't tell me they didn't think running backs don't matter. 517 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: You're gonna be a stud, shutdown Mandavan Corner who's a 518 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: freak show, and they're gonna trade him and a pick 519 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: for porters. So I mean that was Shanahan that did 520 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: that too. I mean, and were different times, and I 521 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: think you and I agree. I mean, if I'm building 522 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: a team and I have the same grade on every 523 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: position out there, I'll take five offensive lineman before I 524 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: take a running back. But the world doesn't work that way, 525 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: especially in this draft where this you know that it 526 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: was so much deeper on the offensive line. I mean, 527 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: there were guys who had who people were talking about 528 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,239 Speaker 1: his second third round draft grades on them who were 529 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: going in the fourth and fifth rounds on the offensive 530 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 1: line position right right right, Jalen Moore in most drafts 531 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: is probably a second round pick at third at the worst. 532 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: I would say, you don't get a Kendrick Green's type 533 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: of prospect at the running back position, and unless I 534 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: mean Kendrick Dreen versus Javante Williams is a conversation, you know, 535 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: just in a nutshell, no supply and demand, who do 536 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: I rather have? If I have no one on my roster, 537 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: I would probably say Green, But in this class I 538 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: would have taken Williams well ahead of them. It just 539 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: depends on what your needs were. What, Okay, do I 540 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: need it? Do I need a starter? Okay, then I 541 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: better get one of those top three guys. If I 542 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: don't need to start, if I'm looking for a supplemental back, 543 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: then I can afford to wait and take one of 544 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: these other guys. Another thing I've always wanted to bring 545 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: up the way I forget for some reason, is unlike 546 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: some other positions, if you have money to spend, you 547 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: can't go get a running back on the open market 548 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: because they're already five years old, you know, like they're 549 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: already worn. I can go if I have a bazillion dollars, 550 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: I can go get a left tackle. I gotta pay them, 551 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: but I I can get one that I love and 552 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: pay them however I want. You can't. There's not backs 553 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: on the markets. That are Pro bowlers in their prime 554 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: because the prime is already gone. It just doesn't work 555 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: that way. There's only one way to get them, and 556 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: it's kind of drafting them high. Don't have to do 557 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: the first round. But the best backs in the league 558 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: or top of the of the thousand yard rushers since 559 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: two thousand have been drafted in the first three round. 560 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: And everyone rebots that by saying, well none this year 561 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: were do you think Barkley, McCaffrey and Zeke And wouldn't 562 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: the bend if they didn't get hurt? And then they say, well, 563 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: facts get hurt. That's why you don't invest it him like, 564 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: but there are a lot more. There's only been like 565 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: ten running backs drafted in the first who were still 566 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: who were in football right now, right the non first 567 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: verse the first it's a lot bigger because it's a 568 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: lot more of the nons, you know, right, So anyways, 569 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: but that's gonna do it for this segment. So for 570 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: my partner Matt Williamson, for Jacob Breck here on site 571 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: keeping us on the air, I'm Dale Lally. We thank 572 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: you for listening to this edition of The Drive on 573 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio.