WEBVTT - Interview Only w/ Billy Corben - Florida Man Goes to War: The Coup That Failed in Venezuela 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.360 And joining me now is somebody I've known a long time. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.319 We share a love of the Miami Hurricanes. We both 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:13.160 grew up in South South Florida. I always forget exactly 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:16.000 where you grew up, Billy Miami. I grew up in Miami. 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:17.560 In Miami, which part of Miami. 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:21.080 On northeast mind, like just east of Joe Robbie Stadium. Right, 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:25.079 you were sort of an Aventura boy. Well, Aventurer didn't exist, 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:28.840 but we you were just we're between ninety five and 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.000 Aventur and this sort of No, let's just let's put 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.120 it in good Miami terms. I was a Dadland Mall 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:37.720 kid and occasionally a cutler Ridge Mall kid. Were you yeah, 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:41.000 my god, you lived in Guanta. My grandfather lived in 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:41.640 p ri. 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.680 No, that is you are. Yeah, you're a Southwest kid. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.800 I was very northeast and there were those were the 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.160 two like get out, those were sort of the two 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:52.440 suburban pockets. 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:54.880 Arguably, Yeah, and you would know there would be really 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.360 little to no reason for you to ever venture to 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:58.920 that end of the. 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.800 I know, going to north North part of the county 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:06.440 is like going to Sarasota for me, Like it's just 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:07.880 like could be all the same. 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:09.360 And now more than ever. In thosees it could take 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:11.520 about a half hour. Now it takes about the mountains. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.480 It might be easier to fly to Sarasota. But Billy, 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.760 you are are like I said that, probably the definitive 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.959 documentary slash film, because I think you're you're one of 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:27.080 these documentarians. It's a filmmaker who does journalism. I would say, 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.840 there's two types. You know, we know there's I just 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:36.440 interviewed the the gentleman behind the new Orwell doc that's 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.880 out two plus two equals five. And it's very much 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.480 a filmmaker who does journalism, not just a bunch of 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:45.000 talking heads and cocaine cowboys. To this day does a 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.800 better job of explaining Miami in the eighties than any 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.040 other entity you can watch. And I think I think 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.920 your success since then proves that. And I think you 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:01.960 did do this and so you found there is so 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.040 many rich stories in Miami to tell and you have 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.600 another one, Men of War. It couldn't be more well timed. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.280 It actually came out last year. You can see it 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:15.520 everywhere right Apple, Amazon, Yeah, anywhere you want to get this. 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.799 It is about it's like Bay of Pigs, for Venezuela. 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:21.720 Is that? How am I doing? 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.880 Like, yes, someone said, like Bay of Pigs. What they 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.600 call it Bay of Piglets? But someone someone described it 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.359 as Rambo meets Firefest. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:35.360 Yeah, and I remember when it came out, when I 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:37.960 first read about it, I'm like, wow, what this is 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.320 interesting And I can't wait to talk to Billy about this. Now, 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.840 all of a sudden, we we have our interview in 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.680 the United States government. It's taken over. It's amazing. 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.760 Where so kind of like semi relevant on the verge 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.560 of war with Venezuela and with our documentary about a 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.160 failed coup of Venezuela that was what happened like five 0:02:59.200 --> 0:02:59.880 four years ago. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.880 But so here we are. Tell me the story. And 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.839 you know, in Miami you can always find somebody who 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.119 claims they're going to be starting something somewhere. 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:12.920 Yeah, well, this is a perfect racking tour. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.320 Our company Racin Tour, which has been in Miami Beach 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.080 for twenty five years. 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.600 And you mentioned Cocaine Cowboys. It turns twenty next year. 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.920 Next year is the twentieth anniversary of the first Cocaine 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.799 Cowboys documentary. I made it when I was ten. It's 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.480 true of course you did, and of course you did this. 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:29.560 And so this is what I love to tell people, 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.280 by the way, why it's so, you know, because I 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.440 have often that people you grew up in Miami in 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.080 the eighties, you know, it was our cocaine everywhere, And 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.760 I'm like, you know, it's the strangest thing. It was everywhere, 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.720 But if you weren't involved, it was nowhere. And I 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.200 literally lived next door to somebody who worked for one 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.360 of these cartels, who couldn't have been a better neighbor, 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:48.440 who was just sort of a like, And I didn't 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.440 fully know it until after I left, how connected they were, 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:53.200 and it was always happening and. 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.640 Right around us. But if you show if you weren't involved, 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:00.320 you never saw it well in your doc cap sure 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:02.680 my understanding of it even better. 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:04.280 The only. 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:09.920 Real world successful case study of Reagan's trickle down economics 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.040 is Miami in the Cocaine Boom, because it really did 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.520 the rising tide, at the risk of using a climate 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.760 change metaphor, really did raise all the ships. And you 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.119 saw that all over your neighborhood, but you weren't necessarily touched, 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:23.760 like you didn't have to even be in the drug 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.920 business to be positively or negatively for that matter, impacted 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.000 by it. But it wasn't like this idea that drugs 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:35.400 were everywhere. Cocaine was everywhere, but the money, I feel 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:36.160 was everywhere. 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.159 Like you like, no, I've always I've compared it to 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.200 and I think we've had this conversation. What bootlegging meant 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:48.360 to Chicago is what the cocaine sort of gang's cartels, 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.160 whatever you want to call them, meant for the rise 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.800 of Miami. We don't have what the modern Miami without 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:56.559 these guys, just like you wouldn't have had the modern 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:58.240 Chicago without the criminal element. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.000 It's a gold rush. It was a gold Russian dodge city. 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.040 I mean, that's exactly what it was. So mena war 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:10.160 this So listen when you know they had me at 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:14.000 Venezuelan coop hatched in a we work in downtown Miami. 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:15.320 I mean, you have my attention. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.160 You know this is our this is our genre, right, 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.480 Florida fuckery, which which I can also sum up as 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:27.440 like Florida man behaving badly with international implications, And that's 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:31.440 kind of that's that's really what this is. And and 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.080 what was even more intriguing about it for me is 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.720 that like we always look for that irreverence and that comedy. 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.600 Dare I say in our stories especially. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.720 There's like like Argo had this, you know, right, and 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.600 you yours is real life the way you capture it. 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:47.440 It's a great guy. 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.800 I haven't heard that Argo is a great comparison, uh 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:51.920 for for this and and it does it. It kind 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:57.480 of starts out as this like irreverent, like geopolitical action thriller, 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.159 but like by the Coen Brothers almost, and then it 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:05.039 evolves into I think a pretty surprising character study and 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.159 of this like of this damaged war hero and this 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:11.880 exploration about like what happens to captain America's and g 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.520 I jans when governments are done playing with them and 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.119 in this case, they kind of are never done playing 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.520 with them. And this idea of like a generation of 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:24.400 perpetual war or I should say, now multiple generations of 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:29.279 Americans who are who were us trapped in a perpetual war, 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.560 and then this idea that what do you do with 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.880 these guys after we've invested millions of dollars in their 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.599 training and their deployments. In this case, Jordan Gudreau, who 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.080 is a legit war hero and you know, with with 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:48.400 a dozen deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan starting literally at 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.080 his age of adulthood, all the way. 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.720 And this is one of those does any human Can 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:57.240 any human do a dozen right like I've done? You know, 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.480 as you know, I love me a good document I 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:05.599 promote festivals when I can. I've probably I've been, I know, 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:09.640 I've helped with two or three of them, showcase these 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:13.360 documentaries about how this stuff just totally damages guys after 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:17.160 the third or fourth tour, and add doesn't I mean 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.120 it's it's it's I don't know if the human brain 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:24.840 can handle it, and and his could until it couldn't anymore. 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:30.520 And it's it's really something to just see how we 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.360 abuse these men and women when they come home, and by. 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:39.280 Abusing them just by doing nothing for them, like providing 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.520 little to know, so. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.040 We break them emotionally. We make that where they are 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:49.080 incapable of just having normal interactions and normal relations. It's 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:53.440 it's it's a but hey, this is Pete Haikseth's Warrior Ethos, right, Well, 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.160 this is a human tragedy. And if it's if it 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.880 applies to this guy, it applies to you know, mountless 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.600 managed women, you know, coming back from the His grandfather 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.239 was his hero, who fought in World War One, trained 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.640 soldiers for World War Two. But he describes accurately he 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.280 went to war and then he came home from war 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.880 and that was the end of it. This guy lived 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.880 in war and would occasionally get a hiatus, you know, 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:19.800 to come back home. 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:21.960 But for him, there was no home for him. It 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:23.760 was Fort Brad was his home. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.520 Because he was a Canadian kid who was kind of 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.880 a rough kid in school and decided to go to 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.280 the into the military early in Canada. Needed his mother 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:36.880 to sign off because he was only straightened himself out. 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.080 That's always one of those, yeah stories. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:39.920 One of those exactly. 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.120 And his mom had to sign off on it because 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.679 he was only seventeen. And then he goes into the 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:49.840 Canadian military and he's bored. He's bored because he knows 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:51.840 he's never going to see any action and there's not 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.440 a lot going on. So he decides to move to 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:58.720 the United States and join the army the military here, 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.840 and he does so less than one year before the 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:06.760 nine to eleven terrorist attacks. And so he describes a 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.520 scene at Fort Brad. He well, as he often does, 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.680 He compares it to pop culture and to movies. He's 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.480 he's kind of a he's kind of a postmodern soldier 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.280 in the way the Sopranos were postmodern gangsters. You know, 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:23.400 they're constantly referencing the pop culture that they are both 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.360 like making new and emulating at the same time. 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.839 It's like it's life imitating art imitating life. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.079 See how I described Trump. I say, he's a movie mobster. 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.320 Like he's not a real mobster, but he plays a 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:36.880 movie mobster in real life. 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.120 Yeah, life imitating art imitating life imitating art. It's like this, 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:44.760 it's this. We're stuck in that postmodern cycle now. And 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:49.080 that's what this guy. Jordan's constantly making allusions to James Bond. 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.040 I think he has double O seven in his email address, 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:55.120 you know, to Jason Bourne, to Rambo, to in this case, 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.240 Starship Trooper. He wants to be a super soldier, is 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.520 what you're sapaying. And he was for a for a time. 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.680 There's no denying it. And but like this is you 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.280 were talking about sort of the mentality and and and 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.199 what the human brain is capable of as a warrior. 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.800 And he described this scene comparing it to Starship Troopers 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:21.480 where everybody cannot suppress their joy at going to war, 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:25.800 like the fist pumping and the the high fiving and 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.320 like we're going to war like so where the rest 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.760 of us were watching, we can put ourselves in that moment, 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:35.800 watching the Twin Towers on television and just the state 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.600 of mind that we were in a shock of fear, 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:42.680 of uncertainty. These guys on base were like, fuck yeah, 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.679 you know that Team America, you know America. 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:50.160 Fuck yeah, Like that's going crazy, you know. But but 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:51.559 again that's a mentality. 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.199 And and there's a moment where I'm like, fuck yeah, 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:55.320 I want you on that wall. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:56.760 I need you on that wall. 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.680 And by the way, there are times you want those 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.360 are the soldiers you want there, you know, right, those 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.560 are the guys you want out there if if shit's 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:06.120 gonna happen. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.280 And he is one of those guys. And they and 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.920 he renounced his Canadian citizenship so that he could expedite 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.760 his Green Beret, his Special Forces training, and so he 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.800 could get the you know, the the access to classified 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.680 you know, the clearance that he needed. And he was 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.079 and he became an American hero like kind of overnight. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:31.200 So how does he get into the world of trying 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.520 to overthrow Maduroy. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.559 It's like us, Chuck, when we're done with corporate media, 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.200 we go, Indy, right, we go, we become mercenaries. 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:40.880 That's that's kind of well, that's what he became. 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:42.600 He's right, one of those mercenaries, right. 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.880 He wanted to be Eric Prince when he grew up, 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.400 you know, That's that's what he wanted to do. And 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.560 so he starts this company. Here's a deleted scene. You 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.800 didn't get this. It's really interesting. He starts his company, 0:11:53.880 --> 0:12:01.880 Silver Core in like Sarasota, Florida, shortly after the the tragedy, well, 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:06.680 the mass shooting at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas implantation. He gets 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.440 this one, I think is a very good idea many 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.840 years later, I feel like Lindsay Graham floated it on 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:16.600 an interview someone. But Jordan's idea was that in order 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:19.599 to make work and protect schools, he was going to 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.320 start a company that took former soldiers, retired soldiers in 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.560 plane clothes or in suits and ties, and was going 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:30.200 to get contracts with school boards or public schools and 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:35.600 systems and put these guys into schools as safety officers. 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.800 Security whatever you want to call them. 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.640 Better trained than than probably regular law enforcement officers at 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:43.200 least on that kind of stuff. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.640 Absolutely, and also again like what do these guys do. 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:51.440 We've spent, we've invested as taxpayers as a military, so 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.720 much money in training these men and women. 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:59.000 Why not why not get the roi, you know, so 0:12:59.080 --> 0:12:59.480 to speak. 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.840 And so this was his idea, and he started to 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.960 go to like, you know, PTA conventions and school board 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.600 conventions and started it never quite got off the ground, 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:11.280 but that's where this started. And it evolved into an 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.440 opportunity to go to Puerto Rico after the hurricane and 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:18.880 do some hurricane relief and security efforts down there. And 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.080 then kind of one thing led to another and he 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:25.560 winds up working a Trump rally I think in Tampa, 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:31.560 Florida as security, playing close security. This is pre twenty 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.840 sixteen so or during the time I should say during 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:36.240 the twenty sixteen campaign. 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:38.040 And now he. 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.559 Kind of falls into some kind of upper level people 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:45.360 in the first Trump administration, including this guy Keith Schiller, 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.520 who was the President's body man from. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.000 Miss Trump body man for he was the president. 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.160 Yeah, I mean it was, I mean, the kind of 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.160 loyalty that this president demands the kind of guy who 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.120 was not just by his side but in front of him, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.880 you know, uh, for decades at the truck organization. And 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.000 so this guy is working for a company and they 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:13.600 start having conversations about what they're calling humanitarian aid in Venezuela. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.480 I think I should maybe should I do air quotes. 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.080 I'm doing quotes for it. Yeah, video so hard. 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.680 I'm getting crympal tunnel right now from my haircut. 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.240 But like, but so there is some discrepancy about this 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.560 we work meeting Chuck and whether or not it was 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:31.320 about you know, humanitarian aid, or whether there was an 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:35.640 overt conversation about regime change, and depending on who you asked. 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.400 I think Keith Schiller said he was present for a 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.560 conversation about humanitarian aid and if there was any talk 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:45.440 about military or intervention, it happened while he was in 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.680 the bathroom, is what he said. 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:50.960 So that's a direct quote. I know. 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.160 It's funny about all of Trump world, like that they're 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:57.360 all well trained. Jason Miller was king of this with me. 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.320 I'm like, I heard this, What can you tell me 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.280 about this? And he says, well, I haven't heard it, 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.640 but it's possible, you did, like would never rule it 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:10.119 out like you don't because you learn in Trump world somebody. 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.640 You know, every reporter has six people of in Trump 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.600 world on speed dial, not just one or two. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:17.920 Everybody's running to the bathroom. 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.760 You know, everybody's figured out. Yeah, you didn't hear everything, 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.800 and you probably don't try to own everything because you won't. 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.720 I mean Trump had literally two different political consulting teams 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.000 looking at twenty twelve, and the two didn't know the 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:34.120 other was working for him. Roger Stone was doing one 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.600 and he had he had these other aunt Michael Cohen, 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.200 doing another, and they weren't communicating. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.560 Well that's how that's how you get the best intel 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:47.560 I guess right, Yes, yes, accurate information. But this guy 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.960 gets dragged into this scheme. The question is what was 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:56.240 this scheme? Jordan comes along with a lot of receipts, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.480 a lot of text messages, a lot of video. Again, 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:04.720 he was postmodern. He was kind of self documenting a 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:08.960 lot of this adventure on social media, on private. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.720 Sort of building, you know, just to protect himself or 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.760 just because you just said he's postmodern, meaning this is 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:18.680 just the way the world works. I'm gonna share it. All. 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.120 I think there was three reasons. One was self promotion. 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.200 I mean, you can see on his Instagram it's you know, 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.560 a lot of you know, bad sort of you know 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.360 rambo stuff, and hire me to help. We're the only 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:34.440 ones who can help. Second is self preservation. He does 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.680 indicate in the documentary that, as you know, being trained 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.920 in the military, he's like, I should record, I should 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:44.360 memorialize this to ensure that in the event that they 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:45.160 deny my. 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:49.200 You know, the mission impossible style. Yeah, there was in 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.440 his contract, because ultimately he signs a contract with this 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:56.480 so called interim government of Venezuela, this Jan Guido character, 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.440 who's an interesting Guido. 0:16:58.680 --> 0:16:59.960 Okay, yeah, right, yeah. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.760 So he signs this contract and there is this this 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:07.600 kind of disclaimer clause, this mission impossible clause. In the 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.440 event that you and your men get captured, we will 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:14.640 disavow your existence, like any knowledge of of you, this 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.040 contract to your existence, et cetera. So he was recording 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:22.879 for that. And lastly, at some point, well two points, 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.600 the funding fell through. His Parkers fell through at least 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:30.640 twice that I know of, and he needed he actually 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.320 he made a sizzle reel chuck to go out to investors, 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:39.840 to private investors to finance his coup. So the video 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.440 that he would you know, he had some videographers embedded 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.960 so that he could put together a trailer basically for 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.800 his for his proposed coup, and go out to financiers. 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.000 And so those were the three. 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.560 The three it's very key Meani and for documentarians now 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.359 that oh, I mean, you know, you went. 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.359 So much at access and footage that it almost felt 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:03.840 like this was a ruse. 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:08.040 Yet there were various times when I felt like, is 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:08.720 this guy. 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.480 Are you being played? Yeah? Were you worried or you 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:12.119 were being played? 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:16.280 Well, I mean he is not the world's most reliable narrator, 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.080 which I think is part of what makes this story 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:19.960 so compelling. 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.240 But then when you're when you're. 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:27.159 Thinking this this is at its most outlandish, suddenly he 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:34.840 produces receipts. There's text messages, Instagram, dms, emails, videos, audio recordings, 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:36.360 and you're like, oh shit, I guess. 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.080 This really did. But think about your own experience in Miami. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.680 Is it shocking? It's you know, it's never shocking. In Miami. 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.400 There is weird There is a weird amount of those 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:48.760 type of people always in circulation. 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:52.720 In Miami, Florida rarely shocks me, but regularly disappoints me. 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.280 So that's a good way of putting that. Yeah, and no, 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:55.760 but you're right. 0:18:55.800 --> 0:19:00.560 I mean, listen, the assassination of a Haitian president at 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:03.280 the same time happened out of out of Miami. 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.600 It was basically planned out of Miami. 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:07.920 Well totally see, I don't think it the we work 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.640 per se. I mean they had an Airbnb. I don't know, Verba, 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.399 I'm not sure. But but no, I mean this is 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:17.600 this is always right. My Miami is America's Casablanca, and 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.600 like this is where and like I've always my pastime 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:23.600 here has always been dive bars. I'm not much of 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.840 a club guy because you go to a dive bar 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.040 in Miami and you want to find the crustiest old 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:32.160 dude you can find. I mean literally a guy who 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.600 just who just looks like, you know, a crustacean, like 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:36.080 growing out a pile on sure. 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.160 And you know, way too sun dried, you know. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:43.240 And he's like he's like attached to the barstool and 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:47.240 idle up. 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