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Speaker 1: And joining me now is somebody I've known a long time.

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Speaker 1: We share a love of the Miami Hurricanes. We both

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Speaker 1: grew up in South South Florida. I always forget exactly

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Speaker 1: where you grew up, Billy Miami. I grew up in Miami.

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Speaker 1: In Miami, which part of Miami.

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Speaker 2: On northeast mind, like just east of Joe Robbie Stadium. Right,

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Speaker 2: you were sort of an Aventura boy. Well, Aventurer didn't exist,

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Speaker 2: but we you were just we're between ninety five and

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Speaker 2: Aventur and this sort of No, let's just let's put

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Speaker 2: it in good Miami terms. I was a Dadland Mall

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Speaker 2: kid and occasionally a cutler Ridge Mall kid. Were you yeah,

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Speaker 2: my god, you lived in Guanta. My grandfather lived in

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Speaker 3: No, that is you are. Yeah, you're a Southwest kid.

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Speaker 1: I was very northeast and there were those were the

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Speaker 1: two like get out, those were sort of the two

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Speaker 2: Arguably, Yeah, and you would know there would be really

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Speaker 2: little to no reason for you to ever venture to

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Speaker 1: I know, going to north North part of the county

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Speaker 1: is like going to Sarasota for me, Like it's just

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Speaker 1: like could be all the same.

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Speaker 2: And now more than ever. In thosees it could take

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Speaker 2: about a half hour. Now it takes about the mountains.

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Speaker 1: It might be easier to fly to Sarasota. But Billy,

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Speaker 1: you are are like I said that, probably the definitive

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Speaker 1: documentary slash film, because I think you're you're one of

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Speaker 1: these documentarians. It's a filmmaker who does journalism. I would say,

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Speaker 1: there's two types. You know, we know there's I just

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Speaker 1: interviewed the the gentleman behind the new Orwell doc that's

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Speaker 1: out two plus two equals five. And it's very much

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Speaker 1: a filmmaker who does journalism, not just a bunch of

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Speaker 1: talking heads and cocaine cowboys. To this day does a

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Speaker 1: better job of explaining Miami in the eighties than any

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Speaker 1: other entity you can watch. And I think I think

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Speaker 1: your success since then proves that. And I think you

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Speaker 1: many rich stories in Miami to tell and you have

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Speaker 1: another one, Men of War. It couldn't be more well timed.

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Speaker 1: It actually came out last year. You can see it

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Speaker 1: everywhere right Apple, Amazon, Yeah, anywhere you want to get this.

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Speaker 1: It is about it's like Bay of Pigs, for Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: Is that? How am I doing?

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Speaker 2: Like, yes, someone said, like Bay of Pigs. What they

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Speaker 2: call it Bay of Piglets? But someone someone described it

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Speaker 2: as Rambo meets Firefest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember when it came out, when I

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Speaker 1: first read about it, I'm like, wow, what this is

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Speaker 1: interesting And I can't wait to talk to Billy about this. Now,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we we have our interview in

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Speaker 1: the United States government. It's taken over. It's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Where so kind of like semi relevant on the verge

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Speaker 3: of war with Venezuela and with our documentary about a

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Speaker 3: failed coup of Venezuela that was what happened like five

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Speaker 1: But so here we are. Tell me the story. And

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Speaker 1: you know, in Miami you can always find somebody who

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, this is a perfect racking tour.

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Speaker 2: Our company Racin Tour, which has been in Miami Beach

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Speaker 2: for twenty five years.

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Speaker 3: And you mentioned Cocaine Cowboys. It turns twenty next year.

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Speaker 3: Next year is the twentieth anniversary of the first Cocaine

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Speaker 3: Cowboys documentary. I made it when I was ten. It's

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Speaker 3: true of course you did, and of course you did this.

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Speaker 2: And so this is what I love to tell people,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, it's the strangest thing. It was everywhere,

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Speaker 2: But if you weren't involved, it was nowhere. And I

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Speaker 1: Right around us. But if you show if you weren't involved,

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Speaker 3: The only.

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Speaker 2: Real world successful case study of Reagan's trickle down economics

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Speaker 2: the rising tide, at the risk of using a climate

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Speaker 1: Like you like, no, I've always I've compared it to

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Speaker 1: and I think we've had this conversation. What bootlegging meant

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Speaker 2: It's a gold rush. It was a gold Russian dodge city.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's exactly what it was. So mena war

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Speaker 2: You know this is our this is our genre, right,

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Speaker 2: Florida fuckery, which which I can also sum up as

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Speaker 1: There's like like Argo had this, you know, right, and

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard that Argo is a great comparison, uh

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Speaker 2: of starts out as this like irreverent, like geopolitical action thriller,

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Speaker 1: And this is one of those does any human Can

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Speaker 1: And it's it's really something to just see how we

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Speaker 2: Abusing them just by doing nothing for them, like providing

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Speaker 1: We break them emotionally. We make that where they are

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Speaker 1: it's it's a but hey, this is Pete Haikseth's Warrior Ethos, right, Well,

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Speaker 2: And he described this scene comparing it to Starship Troopers

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Speaker 2: And and there's a moment where I'm like, fuck yeah,

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Speaker 2: I want you on that wall.

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Speaker 3: I need you on that wall.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, there are times you want those

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Speaker 2: And he is one of those guys. And they and

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Speaker 2: he renounced his Canadian citizenship so that he could expedite

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Speaker 2: Well that's how that's how you get the best intel

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Speaker 3: I think there was three reasons. One was self promotion.

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Speaker 3: You know, the mission impossible style. Yeah, there was in

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Speaker 2: The three it's very key Meani and for documentarians now

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Speaker 3: Yet there were various times when I felt like, is

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Speaker 1: This really did. But think about your own experience in Miami.

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Speaker 2: It's a good question. I'm mostly very positive. I think

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Speaker 3: But either way, right, he surrounded himself with the right

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Speaker 1: like in the sixties before you and I were born

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Speaker 1: in Miami, when they were constantly somebody saying no, no,

437
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Speaker 1: no, no no, I've got I've got all this land, I've

438
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: got all this power, I can do all this. And

439
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: I feel like that's what Guido and others do with Venezuela.

440
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Speaker 1: Every now.

441
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's always like a next the next president

442
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,959
Speaker 2: or the president of a free Cuba. Listen, Marca Rubio

443
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: wants to everybody in Miami wants to be the president

444
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: of a free Cuba. You know, it's it's so so

445
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 2: that's I think that that I don't know that well,

446
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd love to see that, but just just

447
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 2: so I could go to Cuba. I've never been to Cuba.

448
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 2: My grandparents used to talk about going to You never

449
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:46,959
Speaker 2: you never tried to go.

450
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Speaker 1: I went once.

451
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Speaker 3: You know what I went.

452
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Speaker 1: You know, I went to look in two thousand. I

453
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Speaker 1: happened to be there during the summer of eleion, Oh

454
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Speaker 1: my god. And I went through Mexico City. You know,

455
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Speaker 1: my statute of limitations is up, so I fully will

456
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Speaker 1: are you sure? I don't you know what? You know

457
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: that just because just because the law should apply, it

458
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean it will, right, And I'm really glad I did.

459
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: It is the greatest lesson of why communism is a

460
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Speaker 1: failure that I've ever really And here's the here's the

461
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Speaker 1: thing that sticks is stuck with me the most been

462
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Speaker 1: twenty five years. There's a reason why those all those

463
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Speaker 1: nineteen fifties cars are in pristine condition down there. It's

464
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Speaker 1: the only thing you're allowed to own. Yep. You don't

465
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Speaker 1: own your where you live, you don't own any of

466
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Speaker 1: that stuff. So all of that stuff is just a

467
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Speaker 1: pig style nobody. Most people don't keep there because it's

468
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Speaker 1: not theirs. It's just a government hand on all this stuff.

469
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: But what they own, that car, that's theirs, and there

470
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Speaker 1: is a reason why they're in amazing and it's just

471
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Speaker 1: a it's my way of understanding. This is innate, you

472
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Speaker 1: know what, no industrial revolution, it's the last thing probably

473
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Speaker 1: yeah before and people saying having to whisper in order

474
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Speaker 1: to tell you what they really feel. That it was

475
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Speaker 1: an important experience for.

476
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Speaker 3: Me having grown up in Miami.

477
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Speaker 2: I grew up with a certain you know, conservative right

478
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: wing think about.

479
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Speaker 1: And we both probably both did.

480
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I could never understand like for me like I

481
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: was very much Yeah, I'm very much botherda ivida. I'm

482
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Speaker 3: very much like I will go to I will spend

483
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Speaker 3: my money in Cuba when it is free. When I

484
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Speaker 3: am not, when I don't feel like I am supporting

485
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: or buttressing that novel dictator, I will say that all

486
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: the Cubans in Miami send money down there, and going.

487
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: I felt like I don't. I felt like I was

488
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: there to help the people that are stuck. It is

489
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: funny once you get there, you realize that's actually the

490
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Speaker 1: reason to visit is to give them some hope.

491
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 3: Well, listen, I was always a big bill.

492
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Speaker 2: I've never really understood or not never, but as time

493
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: war on, never failed to understand, came to fail to

494
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: understand the wisdom of the embargo because like I thought

495
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: about it, either like yeah, I thought like, well, free

496
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 2: trade is probably the best hope we have, both to

497
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: bring hope to the people, obviously to stop the suffering.

498
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a humanitarian crisis there as we speak,

499
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: and finally to to maybe bring a taste of American

500
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: freedom and capitalism. I never really understood it, but I

501
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,959
Speaker 3: also felt very hardlined about it that I'm like, you know,

502
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, Buck Fidell.

503
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 1: Because we liked we you know, we we liked our

504
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: Cuban friends and neighbors, and it was really important to them.

505
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Speaker 2: But I understood, But I also like, I feel so

506
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: much of it is like not been ingenuous, Chuck, Like,

507
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: I like, I feel so much of it has been

508
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 2: like if not a lie, then just certainly misinformation or

509
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: probably well.

510
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will tell you. I mean I had firsthand experience.

511
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: My grandfather was an engineer. He moved. The whole reason

512
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: my family ended up down in Miami was my grandfather

513
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: got an engineering contract to build sugarcane plants to help

514
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: with sugarcane plants in Havana in Cuba, not Havana, and

515
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: so he moved his business from Iowa to Miami in

516
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: order to go. And you know, we're one of the

517
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: non Cuban Miami families that says, oh, you have no

518
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: idea how how much wealth we might have had if

519
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: type of thing. But my grandfather used to constantly tell stories.

520
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: He was living in the more rural parts of Cuba

521
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: when he would go down there, and he had to

522
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: keep photographs of Fidel in his trailer in order to

523
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: make sure he didn't get harassed by Fidel's guys. And

524
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: the point he was saying he had cia interviewing him

525
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: and other American businessman saying, hey, what do you think

526
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: of Fidel, and he'd be like, he's no better than Batista.

527
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: And it was like there was a whole bunch of

528
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: American businessinessmen who who were like, don't trust this Fidel guy.

529
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: And even as the CIA was working to overthrow Batista

530
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: and thinking Fidel was going to be their guy. It

531
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: is that is where there's an ingenuineness to this entire

532
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: Cuba story, is the role that America played in getting

533
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: Fidel into power.

534
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: True and the idea that's sort of been a sixty

535
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: year battle of my dictators better than your dictator.

536
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: And basically that's right.

537
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, my grandfather was in Cuba in nineteen

538
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: sixty before anybody knew.

539
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: Who this cadell was as bad as he was right right,

540
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: who this.

541
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: Guy was going to be and whose allies were He

542
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 2: was in the lobby of the Hilton along with all

543
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: the other businessmen looking for him.

544
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: He was like he had all sorts of friends and right,

545
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: because it was like a presidential election in Cuba, except

546
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: it was two dictators with their little armies Batista versus Castro,

547
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 1: but they each had their funders.

548
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: My grand my grandfather was with a buddy or his

549
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: business partner who was friendly with Rita Hayworth, and so

550
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: they were sitting with Rita Hayworth.

551
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: Feeling our grandfathers probably knew each other and didn't realize it.

552
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: But feeling they probably did.

553
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: And so what happened was I said to Grandpa, I'm like,

554
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: did you ever get an audience with Fidel?

555
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: He goes, No, he goes, But Rita.

556
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: Did, and because because somebody came down to the lobby

557
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: there and to go get her, to get her and them,

558
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 3: but they never came for my grandfather, and it's harder

559
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: to have their meeting.

560
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: And then of course the ship hit the fan, and

561
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: that was the end of doing business with Cuba, you know, Yeah, no,

562
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: And that's why.

563
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: I just sort of is that the vet is is

564
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: there that kind of expat Venezuelan in Miami the way

565
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: there was those expat.

566
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: Cubans Jude Darrowzuela.

567
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: I mean, we have a whole municipality that you know,

568
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: I I I often say that that, and this is

569
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: true of a lot of major America, you know, diverse

570
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: American cities, if I'm allowed to use that word.

571
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: The d word.

572
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: Then you know, there's a misconception that Miami is a

573
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: is a melting pot, and we are not a melting pot.

574
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: We are far more akin to a TV dinner where

575
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: sometimes the peas fall into the mashed potatoes, you know.

576
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: And obviously we'll.

577
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: Share the same county boundary. But my god, there's like

578
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: seven ethnicities and nationalities represented within it.

579
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: And you better not get into a road rage incident

580
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: until you see which flag is hanging from the rear view.

581
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that right now.

582
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: I mean, and there's just self segregation. Listen in Miami

583
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: Beach alone, in North what they call North Beach, every block,

584
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 2: this is the Venezuelan building, This is the Brazilian building,

585
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: this is the Argentinian building. Because one person moves there

586
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: and then friends and the flag literally on the balcony.

587
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: The flags are flying at World Cup time.

588
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: It's very That's when you really see it was always

589
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: World Cup tribu. Where is it? Yes, during the World Cup.

590
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: I remember that feeling in eighty two and in eighty six,

591
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: right when Argentina won, it felt like Miami blew up,

592
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: like it was like the it was like why I

593
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: knew we had some Argentinians here. I didn't realize how many,

594
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: you know.

595
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: But Durau they call it Duauzuela because of the I

596
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: think it's the largest Venezuelan population in the country outside

597
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: of Yeah so and and I think sixty percent of

598
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: them voted for Trump. Who are who are legal registered

599
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: vote And now we're seeing the Wall Street Journal just

600
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: covered a few weeks ago, there's like this peculiar exodus,

601
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: like literally people leaving their furniture and their clothes and

602
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: their belongings and just disappearing. Some of them going to Spain,

603
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: some of them leaving the state, some of them going

604
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: back to Venezuela for crying out loud. So there's like this,

605
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: there's a disproportionate number of like of vacancies in rental.

606
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: Units in Terurau, which has been growing exponentially.

607
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: There's at the starting price for a for a rental

608
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: unit is much lower than it is in the rest

609
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: of the county.

610
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: Well, they've made you know, they targeted, you know, when

611
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: they when Steven Miller took you know, Steven Miller wanted

612
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: to up the deportation numbers, and there were too many

613
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: groups that had temporary protected status TPS. Status, including Venezuelans

614
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: for like a real reason, right, you know, you have

615
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: a regime that will target these people if they go

616
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: home like this is a real issue and they simply

617
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: wanted to up their numbers, they take it away, and

618
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: I think this is you know, look, I've seen those

619
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: a few of those stories, but I think the Herald

620
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: did one about we voted for Trump. We thought he

621
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: was going to protect our people and he didn't. He

622
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: and he goes.

623
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know that the President signed an

624
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: executive order on March first of this year declaring English

625
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: the official Language of the United States of America. They did,

626
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: we not get the memo down here?

627
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: What happened?

628
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: I mean, are we?

629
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: Are we?

630
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: I mean, if they're going to start hitting Miami and

631
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: profiling and listening forive, I mean there's a lot of

632
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: people or even people, if they are going after quote

633
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: unquote convicted criminals, lot of our friends and neighbors who

634
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: did their time decades ago and who have gotten out

635
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: and have since been relatively productive members of society.

636
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: They do their annual check ins with with ice.

637
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: You know, they pay their taxes, they have jobs, their parents,

638
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: their business owners, their homeowners, and if we're gonna say, oh,

639
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: well you got convicted of something thirty years ago or

640
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: twenty years old, forty years then I'm telling you there's

641
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: gonna be there's gonna be a listen, it's really going

642
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: to stabilize our housing market enough for US locals because

643
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: we can't afford houses here right now. I mean, it's

644
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: it doesn't It doesn't seem entirely productive to vote to

645
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: deport yourself. And it also was surprising to me because

646
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: I thought, what a fabulous moment in history to have

647
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: our first Cuban American secretary of State and then to

648
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: watch his soul leave his body in the Oval Office,

649
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: sitting with you know, sitting with you know, Putin somewhere

650
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: sitting with with with Zelenski, like just it's it was.

651
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: It made me feel like so much of my childhood

652
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: in my Miami education was a wy Like it's really.

653
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: I guess I still think there's a little Anakin skywalker

654
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: in Rubio. And I say this, I'll say it this way.

655
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Speaker 1: He keeps he keeps preventing Trump from going too far

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Speaker 1: with Putin. He keeps preventing like it is it is.

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Speaker 3: You know what happens to Anakin Skywalker at the end, don't.

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Speaker 1: You I'm aware. I'm not saying the Emperor won't eventually

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Speaker 1: get his revenge. Oh, is it not obvious that Rubio

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Speaker 1: is going to be the Maga Patsy when all is

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Speaker 1: said and done that when something goes extraordinarily wrong with

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Speaker 1: all these blame the Mexican Yeah, they're gonna blame the

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Speaker 1: guy who was not with them.

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Speaker 3: This is the beginning.

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Speaker 1: He is the guy that will be And whether Marco

666
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: knows this or not, maybe he went in knowing this.

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Speaker 1: He is going to be the fall guy for whatever

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Speaker 1: foreign policy failure happens on Trump's watch. Be it this

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Speaker 1: what's happening in Venezuela right now, what happens to you

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Speaker 1: will he will be the fall guy. Look, he's got

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Speaker 1: he's both National Security Advisor and Secretary of State and

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Speaker 1: the head of the National Archives. I never want to

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Speaker 1: leave that job out in Craft Service, right, he's also

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Speaker 1: with Craft Service, and he and he maybe the next

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Speaker 1: football coach at the University of Florida. Maybe you know so, right,

676
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Speaker 1: this actually might be the time to get out, right,

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Speaker 1: But he's going to be the mega fall guy because

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Speaker 1: he's never been mega, right, so it's so obvious to

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Speaker 1: me he'll be the fall guy win something goes wrong,

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Speaker 1: because they're playing with fire with what they're doing in

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Speaker 1: Venezuela right now.

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Speaker 3: I just this. I thought of him as for all

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Speaker 3: the things I might have.

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Speaker 2: Liked and not liked about him ideologically and otherwise, I

685
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Speaker 2: still thought of him as a statesman.

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Speaker 3: I thought of him as, you know, a responsible isten.

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Speaker 2: How many you know how many Democratic senators voted to

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Speaker 2: you know, uh to to approve him and I.

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Speaker 1: They all bought it too, and I and I I look,

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Speaker 1: I will just leave you with the warning I've left

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Speaker 1: my wife ten years ago. I'm still with my I

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Speaker 1: didn't leave my wife, but I remember saying this to

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Speaker 1: her ten years ago. Sorry, I said, be careful. You

694
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Speaker 1: don't know who you don't like today. That might be

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Speaker 1: the hero of the story down the road. And then

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Speaker 1: within four years she's donating money to Liz Cheney, right

697
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: like you don't know who's going to stand up when

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Speaker 1: the chips are down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you can say, you can tell me whatever

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Speaker 2: you want about your wife, because you know nothing is

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Speaker 2: certain in this life except death taxes. And nobody's wife

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Speaker 2: listens to their podcast, So so true.

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Speaker 1: She listens to the beginning every day. She tells me,

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 3: Gonna say that you're enough of this us.

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Speaker 1: You know exactly do you want to hear more?

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Speaker 3: Right, I'm going to opt into this.

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Speaker 1: I hear it all all the time. I guess where

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Speaker 1: I'm going here is I'm curious looking at your your

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Speaker 1: doc now through the lens of what we're on the

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Speaker 1: verge of doing. I mean, look, I'm just I cannot believe.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to quote James Langford, Republican senator from Oklahoma,

713
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: who is who said this weekend, if Biden were giving

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Speaker 1: us the lack of insight into what they're doing in Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: I'd be apoplectic. He's sort of admitting, well, because he's

716
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Speaker 1: on our side, I can't be upset about this. But

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Speaker 1: Congress has no idea what the administration is up to

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Speaker 1: in Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, and Rand Paul is the voice of reason,

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Speaker 2: and Marjorie Kaylor Green is the voice of reason.

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Speaker 3: All that.

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Speaker 1: By the way, there are real isolationists, and they're like, hey,

723
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Speaker 1: he just.

724
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Speaker 2: Said be careful. You don't know who the good guy

725
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Speaker 2: is going to be. That's right here, and yes, I

726
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: think Rand Paul said it.

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Speaker 3: You.

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Speaker 2: A terrorist cannot be just whoever the executive branch says

729
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: a terrorist is. And in foreign or international waters, we

730
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: can not just be blowing up boats and fishermen. But

731
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Speaker 2: what's interesting about this to your question is that, you know,

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Speaker 2: a month before our world premiere of Men of War

733
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Speaker 2: at last year's Toronto last Summer's Toronto Film Festival, we

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Speaker 2: Jordan Gudreau, this.

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Speaker 3: Man who we had been embedded with and.

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Speaker 2: Spent years kind of documenting this misadventure, gets arrested by

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Speaker 2: the United States, by the FEDS for arms trafficking related

738
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Speaker 2: to this operation Gideon. This this this ill fated coup

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Speaker 2: that resulted in two of his fellow compatriots from you know,

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Speaker 2: the group from Special Forces being arrested sentenced to twenty

741
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Speaker 2: seven years in a tropical gulag in Venezuela for for terrorism.

742
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Speaker 2: Eight of their Venezuelan kind of defector military guys who

743
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Speaker 2: came back and they were killed. This debacle that got

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Speaker 2: kind of memory hold in the pandemic because it happened

745
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: right in the spring of twenty twenty. So this would

746
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Speaker 2: have been a huge I mean, it wasn't big international story,

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Speaker 2: but then it kind of got suppressed.

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Speaker 1: In nothing nothing has legs anymore. Have you noticed that,

749
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Speaker 1: by the way, I mean, no stories have legs. We

750
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Speaker 1: demolished the East Wing, We've already moved on. Now Trump

751
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Speaker 1: has had an MRI that we're not sure about. Like

752
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Speaker 1: it just it's astonishing our short attention span theater.

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Speaker 2: But so, Jordan Gudreau is scheduled to go to trial

754
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Speaker 2: shortly after the first of this year on these arms

755
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Speaker 2: trafficking charges related to this coup alleged coup attempted Q.

756
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Speaker 3: I don't know what you call it, but.

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Speaker 2: His is effectively a public authority defense. Okay, what might

758
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Speaker 2: otherwise be criminal is legally justified because I was doing

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Speaker 2: this at the behest of my commander in chief of

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Speaker 2: my government, which was then the first Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: I thought that Kevin Pollack character told us in a

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Speaker 1: few good men that that didn't work at Nuremberg.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen.

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Speaker 2: Also it seems here he was more reading smoke signals

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Speaker 2: and wings and odds and then than he was actually

766
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Speaker 2: getting direct orders. Also, so like there is this issue

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Speaker 2: of who exact on whose authority are you claiming?

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Speaker 3: Whose public authority your claim? But that being said, what

769
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 3: he is the argument he's making is that there was

770
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Speaker 3: every indication that Trump one point zero was looking at

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Speaker 3: regime change.

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Speaker 2: You know, there was the beginning of the of the

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Speaker 2: there was the indictment against Maduro and some of his

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Speaker 2: generals for drug trafficking.

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Speaker 3: There was the uh, the the bounty put on.

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Speaker 1: His look it looked like we were redoing Noriega and Panama. Absolutely,

777
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Speaker 1: I mean it looks like what we're doing now. I

778
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Speaker 1: mean this feels like, you know, Trump is obsessed with

779
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Speaker 1: the eighties, and it's like, how do I take Granada

780
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Speaker 1: and Panama and do it all in one felt swoop?

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Speaker 2: Here we are, and I think that's going to be

782
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Speaker 2: I think the current policy might wind up being I

783
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: have no insight to this, but it might wind up

784
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Speaker 2: my just the theory based on your you know, thinking

785
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Speaker 2: about it on your question, might very well.

786
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: That might very well be.

787
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Speaker 2: Jordan Gudau's defense is, look at the policy of this administration.

788
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Speaker 2: It was always this, It was always regime change. It

789
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: was always take Maduro out, and that was exactly what

790
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Speaker 2: I was trying to do.

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Speaker 1: How has he not gotten a part?

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Speaker 3: I think it's a really good grades.

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Speaker 2: I guess he didn't have the cash or he hasn't

794
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Speaker 2: hired the right lobbyist, I mean lawyer yet No, listen,

795
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Speaker 2: I think that he is certainly attempted to get the

796
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Speaker 2: administration's attention as far as I know, on social media

797
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: through other other podcasts.

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Speaker 3: I also don't know that. I mean, I don't know

799
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Speaker 3: that what.

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Speaker 2: He's saying, though, is entirely accurate. So the idea that

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Speaker 2: he's you know, because I mean think it was it.

802
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: The Secretary of State at the time said, what was

803
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Speaker 2: the line? The line is we had nothing to do

804
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Speaker 2: with this. If we had, if we did have something

805
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Speaker 2: to do with it, it would have gone much.

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Speaker 3: Better or you know, it would have been much more interesting.

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Speaker 3: Uh uh successful, So I feel like it was. So

808
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Speaker 3: I feel like Jordan is maybe not playing his cards

809
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: just right because because he has it it was Pompeo,

810
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Speaker 3: was Mike Pompeo.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, when.

812
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Speaker 2: What I call I call it COVID brain, So like

813
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Speaker 2: it's for fore like I feel like there are words

814
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Speaker 2: that are or names that are on a top shelf

815
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: that I can see but can't reach, you know, like

816
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Speaker 2: and then and then.

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Speaker 1: They come to this all the time, I have this

818
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Speaker 1: all the time.

819
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Speaker 3: Maybe it's just my late forties. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I kept messing up. I keep wanting to

821
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Speaker 1: call the guy who did this, or well it's Raoul Peck.

822
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Speaker 1: But it's like I can see the name and I

823
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Speaker 1: want to say something else and it's terrible.

824
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Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm talking, I know the word,

825
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: I know the name, and then all of a sudden

826
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Speaker 3: it stops. You know.

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Speaker 1: So the great question that all of us have had

828
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Speaker 1: be in Miamians and I'm curious is which is, if

829
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Speaker 1: Cuba was free, would have the population leave Miami and

830
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Speaker 1: go back to Cuba? If Venezuela is free, would draw

831
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Speaker 1: empty out?

832
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Speaker 3: What say you define free? So if we replace.

833
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Speaker 2: Maduro with a Malay kind of character, like is that

834
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Speaker 2: for like like when you say he wants to do

835
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: like like it's the eighties all over again. The theme

836
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Speaker 2: of our I think the running theme of our intervention

837
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Speaker 2: in Latin America is puppet dictators.

838
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Speaker 1: Right is which is like the fifties and eighties all

839
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Speaker 1: over again. And this, I mean, this doesn't end well

840
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Speaker 1: for us. The last time I checked, everybody's number one

841
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: ally in Latin America is China, not the United States.

842
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Speaker 1: I find it to be the biggest, like you know,

843
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: there's and this has been multiple presidents have just botched

844
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Speaker 1: the western hemisphere.

845
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Speaker 2: Well look at look at Argentina soybean sales for crying

846
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: out loud, I mean, and look at America first, Yeah,

847
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: and look at what I The guy cuts my hair

848
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: as a South African white gun and he's talking to me.

849
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Speaker 2: One of his clients is very conservative Cuban lady several

850
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Speaker 2: months ago whispers to him, says, come here, come here,

851
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Speaker 2: you know, ear to ear, like a lot of conversations

852
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: that Ventana's in Miami. You know you're ear to ear.

853
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Speaker 2: He is your family, okay, and my family in South

854
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: Africa are because she watched a lot of fun And

855
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: she says, well, of course they're they're fine. Why do

856
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: well because there's the the massacre of the white the

857
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: white genocide, you know, the white people in.

858
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Speaker 3: South and she and he goes, no, she goes, sweetie,

859
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Speaker 3: that's a that's a lot.

860
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Speaker 2: But I heard Elon Musk and I heard the But

861
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Speaker 2: he goes, no, no, that's a that's totally made up.

862
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Speaker 3: That's a total lie. And and he tells his to me.

863
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Speaker 2: He says, you know in the poor, you know, Black

864
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Speaker 2: nations of Africa. He said, What of course is happening

865
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Speaker 2: with the the end of US aid, he said, is

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Speaker 2: that it's not just simply people dying and suffering. There

867
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Speaker 2: is a vacuum that is being filled and gangs and

868
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Speaker 2: men and things like that by care packages that say

869
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Speaker 2: from your friends in China. So when you when you

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Speaker 2: when you have a lack of sophistication on geopolitics and

871
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: diplomacy and you don't understand that that you know, what,

872
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Speaker 2: what what good we do in the world, not just

873
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 2: for the purpose of saving lives and protecting children and

874
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: and uh offering vaccines and AIDS prevention and cancer treatment

875
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: is not just because that's what Jesus would do. It's

876
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: because we also do earn goodwill and allies in the world.

877
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: You're describing soft power, Billy, and we just and this

878
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: guy has gotten you.

879
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 3: Know, we've abdicated, we've advocated.

880
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I mean it's ironic to call it

881
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: soft power, and it's be you know, this guy because

882
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: he's soft it doesn't want to use soft power and

883
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: it's like dude, But anyway, sorry, I was going down

884
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: a weird rule decide where I was.

885
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: This is the question, like, what what does a free

886
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: what does a free Venezuela look like in this era

887
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 2: of the United States of America when you don't necessarily.

888
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: Peace Prize winner as president, Maybe that's a real free Venezuela.

889
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: She sees, sweet shit.

890
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 3: You mean if Obama runs in twenty eight, is that

891
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 3: what you mean for a third term? Is that what

892
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: you mean?

893
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: I was talking about the new woman who won. But

894
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: I take your point. I take it. Well, that's always

895
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: the reminder I have of like, if you think Trump

896
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: can run again, soa can Obama? You sure you want

897
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: to go down that road? Maybe it's the ultimate showdown

898
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: American needs.

899
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, listen, in a democracy, we get

900
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: the government we deserve, and that is the election we deserve.

901
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: Chump. I think, yeah, probably it probably is. I don't know.

902
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: Every time, every time I think you can't top what

903
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: you do, this one is one of those that you're

904
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: just like and it's sort of like life imitating arn't

905
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: back to imitating life. Have you talked to him since

906
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: the military campaign against Venezuela.

907
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: No, I mean he's in quite a bit of legal

908
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: jeopardy obviously, I mean he is.

909
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: He nervous about talking to you now because.

910
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 3: His liberty is on the line.

911
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 2: You know, his freedom is on the line, and obviously

912
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: he feels a sense of betrayal.

913
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: By everybody I imagine, right, yeah, and this is the.

914
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: Country that he's fought for and now and to do

915
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: what this guy did in the name of freedom and

916
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: democracy in the United States, to change the flag on

917
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: his arm, you know, from being a native Canadian to

918
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: an American war hero, and then to see the words

919
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: United States of America versus Jordan Goudreau.

920
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: I mean he's having a hard time with it. Yeah.

921
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 3: It damages an already damaged psyche, you know, it does.

922
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: No, it's another way we're letting we abuse these soldiers.

923
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sure, you know, I go. I've

924
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: said this about social media in general, right, I think

925
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: social media is a human experiment that has failed, and

926
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: here we are, we're living with the consequences of It's

927
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: a total I mean, what good has social media brought

928
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: to the world. Well, we're friends, So I do miss

929
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: those first couple of years when we we were like, Wow,

930
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: this is great. I get to interact with people that

931
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: I've been meaning to interact with. But never had a

932
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: chance to it was. It was.

933
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: It was a real community.

934
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: It was novel. Look, it was the first couple of years.

935
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 3: It was the it was town Square. It was what

936
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 3: it was, as Adams.

937
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: It's the algorithm. What really destroyed it is the algorithms. Right,

938
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: Like when we were organically building it, it was great

939
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: when they decided, hey, this is so much fun, let's

940
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: keep people on it, let's pee, let's actively get them

941
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: addicted to it. It's like, you know, it an occasional

942
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: cigarette might have been okay, it was smoking twenty a day.

943
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: That was terrible.

944
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 4: Right.

945
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 2: It was the nicotine that right, it was the ninety

946
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,479
Speaker 2: nine percent pure coke was good. The second they started

947
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 2: cutting it with fent and all that other shit, it

948
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: started to get sort of but it was it was

949
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: as advertised. Early on, it felt like that town Square.

950
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 2: It felt like well, you know, like it went from

951
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: Arabs Spring to like storm storm front.

952
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: You know, like very you know, and you know, in

953
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: some ways, this this guy, it is sort of the

954
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: transition right during you know, in Arab Spring, we were

955
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: celebrating stuff like this.

956
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 2: You know, eventually it turns into this, you know, right,

957
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 2: and it's it's not entirely pleasant. But listen to paraphrase

958
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: one of my favorite Miami artists, the algorithm is going

959
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: to get you.

960
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: Miami politics really quickly. What is Miami Dade County right now? Red?

961
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 3: Blue?

962
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: Somewhere in between? In transition it's I find Miami Dade's

963
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: the most fascinating I think political community in the country,

964
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: and in some ways it is it is served to

965
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: sort of be both a precursor and a and a

966
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: PostScript to what's going what's happening in the Trump era.

967
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: You live it and breathe it, and you're very active

968
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: in local politics. What would you describe the state of

969
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: the political world in Miami Dade County as far as

970
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: you're concerned these days?

971
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 3: Oh, it's redder than red, I mean. And is it

972
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 3: an ideological red or a cult red?

973
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean by that?

974
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 3: Yes?

975
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, the answer to either or question is affirmative.

976
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: I think because I well, obviously now there's a lot

977
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: of people, or quite a few people who are having

978
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 2: other ideas or adding second thoughts about some of this.

979
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 2: Even though I think the Trump this second Trump administration

980
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 2: has been as advertised, I don't know, you know, none of.

981
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: This is anything we didn't see coming. It was like,

982
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, you're just like, you know, we knew he

983
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: would do stuff like this, but the details have been fascinating,

984
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: but the general pattern was very pret Trump is a

985
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: terrible poker player. I've always said I'd love to play

986
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: poker with him because he literally holds his cards this way.

987
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he just flips them around so you can

988
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: see him.

989
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then lies to you about what

990
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: he has. Yeah, and a third of the country believes it.

991
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: On question, I mean, Billy I only knew he was

992
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: going to knock down the entirety of the east wing.

993
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: When he said he wasn't going to touch the east

994
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: wing to build this ball, I'm like, oh, that's probably

995
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: the end of the entire wing.

996
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: Just I mean sure, yeah. And that's the thing too,

997
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 3: is that, like, there's this really interesting moment where you know,

998
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 3: we're getting away this three hundred and sixty million dollar

999
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: piece of property for the Trump Hotel and casino and

1000
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 3: also Presidential Library in downtown.

1001
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: Just I can't believe this. By the way, this is

1002
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: where the Marlin Stadium should have been. But that's a

1003
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: whole other story.

1004
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: Well, when they talk about waste fraud and abuse. It's like, well,

1005
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: I just I found some I mean you just you

1006
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 2: just violated sunshine laws in the state of Florida to

1007
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: secretly give away like this last piece of property that

1008
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: is owned by what was our community college. It's now

1009
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 2: a college. But like this is I think by student

1010
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: body size, is the largest college in the country.

1011
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, college is for four year college.

1012
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: Consequential to Miami both economically and educationally. Eduardo Padron, the

1013
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 2: president many years ago, what he had to go through

1014
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: to generate to raise twenty four million dollars to buy

1015
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: this piece of property because when you're in a landlocked

1016
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: downtown area, there's not a lot of room for growth,

1017
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: and so he wanted to preserve the future of this institution.

1018
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 3: So they buy this property.

1019
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: It's now appraised, not even a praise, but the property

1020
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: appraiser of the county says it's worth estimates it's worth

1021
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 2: sixty five people have said easily on the open market

1022
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty million dollars, and.

1023
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 3: They they want to give it away like for free.

1024
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 3: It's it is the biggest land.

1025
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes the Melury Soccer Stadium hustle and

1026
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: the Marlins Park scam look like good deals in comparison.

1027
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 2: By the way, I have no problem with there being

1028
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 2: a Trump Library or whatever. It's going to be just

1029
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: you know, in downtown Miami, but you got to pay

1030
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: some market value for you. I mean, especially if you're

1031
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: going to deprive Mini Dade College of its future effectively

1032
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: like and I also have no problem with the fact

1033
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: that it shares a lot with the Freedom Tower, which

1034
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: of course is the elis Island of the South where

1035
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: refew the earliest some of our earliest Cuban refugees fleeing

1036
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 2: the tyranny of If.

1037
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: I were Trump, it's where I would want my library.

1038
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: It would be a symbolic place to go row.

1039
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 3: I love it.

1040
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: That the Deporter in Chief, the proud Deporter in Chief,

1041
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: is going to be I think it's like listen, I've

1042
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 2: been I've been sitting Shiva for irony for years now,

1043
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 2: so I think it's I have no problem with that.

1044
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 3: It's just the For me, it's always the real It's Florida.

1045
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 3: It's always a real estate hustle. And by the way,

1046
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 3: a majority of Miami Dade County residents certainly more NPAs

1047
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 3: and Democrats than Republicans, but a vast which you're talking

1048
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 3: almost sixty percent are against this land giveaway. So there

1049
00:54:55,000 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 3: is a tied a sentiment on certain things that that

1050
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: is turning. But we are I mean, this is a

1051
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 3: firm red county.

1052
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: What will be your canary in the coal mine to

1053
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: see if there's movement in there? Is that the one

1054
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: congressional race, I'm Jorona blank in her name real here

1055
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: is Salazar? Y Salazar, Yeah, who replaced Ileana.

1056
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 3: No, I don't think.

1057
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, speaking of the Washington generals, the Florida

1058
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: Democrats are the Washington generals of politics. I mean they

1059
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: are unbelievable control that position at this point. I mean,

1060
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 2: they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, so

1061
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: I wouldn't so, I mean, I think we've seen the

1062
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: canary in the coal mine. I think I think the

1063
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: Democrats are not a broken brand or a damage brand.

1064
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: I think they're just a dead brand in the state

1065
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 2: of Florida and certainly in Miami Dade.

1066
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: I would love to see a John Morgan that was

1067
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 1: fifteen years younger running right like you know you could see.

1068
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: I just don't know if he's got the energy or

1069
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: the or the ambition to do it. He talks about it,

1070
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: but I just think, you know, there's you could just

1071
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: sort of tell it's like I'll do it if somebody

1072
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 1: else will do the work.

1073
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: No, No, he doesn't want to listen. He loves the

1074
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 3: real liar won't die as Trump did for a while.

1075
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: You know, well, that's why you're like, none of us

1076
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: are fully dismissing it. You're like, well, the dude can

1077
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: write a check, and my god, those ads are he

1078
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: is in. He figured out how to create a fifty

1079
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: state law firm. Right.

1080
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 2: I mean, his job sucks, the job of being Florida

1081
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: governor actually sucks. He's got a great life. This guy's

1082
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 2: got life perfected. John Morgan, what.

1083
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 3: The hell would you want?

1084
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: That's right, the.

1085
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 3: Hell would you want with that job? I mean, but

1086
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 3: you're right, I mean, is it gonna be?

1087
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, he strikes me a little bit more

1088
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 2: as like kind of a blue dog Democrat, that style

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Speaker 2: of like miamas Mia.

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Speaker 1: When I've interviewed him, you can't once you spring up

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton. I mean, it's just like I'm brought up

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Speaker 1: his first wife, the one he fell in love with,

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00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: Like he just loves you know, that's what he wants

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00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party to be. Was what Bill Clinton was

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00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't think that's the future of the

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Speaker 3: party either.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think that that's going to be what

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00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: is going to win the day here for Democrats in

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Speaker 2: the state of Florida.

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00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, it's a red state. I mean that's

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Speaker 3: the bottom line.

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00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 2: Certainly Jerry manderdt into being that. So I don't really see.

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00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: And again, there's no leadership here, there's no vision, there's

1105
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: just like just bad ideas. I left the party.

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00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 3: Listen. Donald Trump was a Democrat longer than I was.

1107
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 3: But I left the party last year with an open

1108
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 3: letter that was I said, this is not exhaustive, but

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00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 3: it is thorough and.

1110
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: Or not comprehensive, but exhausted perhaps and all hyperlinked. I

1111
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 2: brought the receipts, and I wish that was just over

1112
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: a year ago. And I wish I could say, I

1113
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 2: wish I could say that it's it's just as bad,

1114
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: but it's not.

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00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 3: It's it's worse. And how the Democrats could be worse

1116
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 3: off now than they were a year ago? When when

1117
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 3: when I think Trump is arguably less popular now.

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00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: Right now he is, and especially in communities like you know,

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00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: if a functional Democratic party is all over Durra.

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Speaker 3: Well, absolutely functional being the key, No.

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00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just your you should be there, you know.

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00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: That's what the Republicans did really well when Democrats weren't

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00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: in some of these communities. They showed up.

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00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 3: And and and stayed and and and yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, believe me, people in this community always say,

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00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 2: you know, why aren't you here at church when you're

1127
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: not running for office? Why do we only see you

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00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: once every two years or four years or what?

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Speaker 1: You know.

1130
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 3: It's it's it's hard not to be cynical. Uh when

1131
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 3: when when? That's how the party operates.

1132
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: But to be fair, they have no money, they have

1133
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 2: no leadership, they have no vision, so it's really hard

1134
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: to have any kind of consistency or any kind of

1135
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: I mean, look at the voter registrations.

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Speaker 1: It's it's unbelievable.

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00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 3: It's insane.

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00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 2: I mean, part of it certainly is transplants and and

1139
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: you know, people moving here, but but the rest is

1140
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: just bad.

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00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: This is this is going to air before election day

1142
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Speaker 1: next week. Who's going to be mayor of Miami City

1143
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: of Miami, do we care. I mean, it's a weak mayor,

1144
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's really more of a market

1145
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: It's like you're the it's like you're a marketing executive

1146
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: when you're the mayor of the City of Miami versus

1147
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: the actual work. But still it is it is. Uh,

1148
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: Francis Suarez showed you could make a ton of money

1149
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: being mayor of Miami, So it's good. It's good.

1150
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 3: Uh, it's good business. Who's the mayor with socialism to hustle? No?

1151
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, the mayor of Miami is like

1152
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 2: a mascot who thinks he's the head coach.

1153
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: You know.

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00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 3: That's that's kind of what that position is.

1155
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: Uh, they're really they're really a glorified hood ornament is

1156
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 2: kind of of of what know.

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00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean, because the county does all it has all

1158
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: the power, all the money, all the every the city

1159
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: is is you know has.

1160
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 2: You know, there's this city's opery budget is now over

1161
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: a billion dollars for as while city like four hundred

1162
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand people. They were just absolutely stealing from us.

1163
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and well, the fact that Joe I always look

1164
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: at it this way, The fact that Joe Corroyo never

1165
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: tried to go anywhere else, tells you it was just

1166
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: too much. Why would I leave a good thing? Sorry

1167
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: that dude, you know you're like, You're like Joe Croyle's

1168
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: been ripping people off since I was a kid, and

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01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: he's just never left.

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Speaker 3: Joe Kroyo was the youngest to this day, I believe,

1171
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 3: the youngest city commissioner ever elected in Miami in nineteen

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Speaker 3: seventy nine.

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Speaker 1: Think about the fact that they's never progressed because you

1174
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: know what, it must have been too good.

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01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 3: It reminds me it's like when when Trump said, like, like,

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01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 3: if I ever run, I have to run as a

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01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 3: Republican because they'll vote for anybody, and I love them.

1178
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 3: I mean, like he carved his niche. That's what Joe did.

1179
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,959
Speaker 3: Joe Carl is unbelievable. Now I don't think he wins

1180
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 3: this marriage rate. What I love is the drama between

1181
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Speaker 3: Francis and Javier. So nobody, nobody's gonna win this mayor's race.

1182
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 3: By the way, here's a runoff, right, it'll be top

1183
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 3: two fast baby.

1184
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: Right, there will be.

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01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 2: I think there's no question this goes to a December runoff.

1186
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 2: So now I'm just choosing the top two. And you

1187
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 2: are right.

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01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 3: Francis Suarez is not supporting his father in this well,

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Speaker 3: his father is.

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Speaker 1: Literally when people talk about voter fraud, I always say,

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01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: we actually had one. We had the most outrageous voter

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Speaker 1: fraud scam ever, and it was for Javier Schwirez to.

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01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 3: By the way, I keep I've been, I will I

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01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 3: will pick up when when when Xavier or Javier Suarez

1195
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 3: announced he was running, Yeah, which is it?

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01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: It's Javier now used to be Xavier.

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01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 2: It's I think it's I think it's either it's like

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01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's sort of the English version

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Speaker 2: or the Spanish.

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01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: I've always assumed Xavier because you and I grew up

1201
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: down there, and that's what. And yet he will use

1202
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: Xavier everyone and he.

1203
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: Well he likes x because like it also because he's

1204
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 2: like you know, and then Francis is Francis x Francis

1205
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 2: Xavier Suarez or Francis on Also. I think with the

1206
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 2: popularity of x men, uh, it was it was a

1207
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 2: good adaptation.

1208
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 3: But he so I start reading about his run, you know,

1209
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 3: a couple months ago, and all the headlines and all

1210
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 3: the leads are Miami's first Juban born mayor in nineteen

1211
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 3: eighty five, And I said.

1212
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: Big deal. I remember when it happened.

1213
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 3: It was it was, It was the guy. It's nineteen

1214
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 3: eighty five, the guy showing up to debates today in

1215
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 3: a DeLorean with a flux capacitor, Chuck in nineteen the

1216
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 3: guy talks about every year except twenty twenty five.

1217
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, So bless his heart. It's like, what did

1218
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: Jim Norton say? It that watching them, watching at one

1219
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: of the roasts, watching Norm McDonald do his set was

1220
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 2: like watching Henry fond of pick blueberries. That's what it's

1221
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 2: like watching Xavier Suarez and these It's like watching Henry

1222
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,479
Speaker 2: Fonda pick blueberries and so so this. But I called

1223
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 2: all my friends.

1224
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 3: In the media really pissed, because you know, this is

1225
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 3: a town Chuck with a transient population and a lack

1226
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 3: of institutional memory.

1227
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1228
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 3: What we need the local media to do is to

1229
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 3: when the city transforms as often as it does, to

1230
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 3: remind us who these dynastic political crime families are, what

1231
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 3: they've done, and what they're capable of. And I called

1232
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 3: them all. Nobody mentioned Chuck yes, they mentioned in nineteen

1233
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 3: eighty five. The first thing he did.

1234
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: Was they didn't mention the absentee ballot. I mean, it's

1235
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: the greatest chilote fraud we've ever said.

1236
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 3: They didn't mention your last thing he did is mayor

1237
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety eight is get removed from office by

1238
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 3: a judge for absentee ballot fraud so bad in fact,

1239
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 3: that they didn't even order a new election.

1240
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: They just gave it to the other guy. They gave

1241
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: it to Joe Corolla of all people. Well that was

1242
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: the reason. You're like, who could out corrupt who? It

1243
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, that's why at first you're like,

1244
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. They both probably tried to cheat. One

1245
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: guy just was more brazen about it.

1246
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 3: Extremely relevant that you bring this up because all of

1247
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,479
Speaker 3: Trump's a kind of like what sounds like this sort

1248
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 3: of apocryphal demagoguery about not only election fraud but immigration

1249
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 3: emptying out the asylums. Dude, that's the Mariel vote lift.

1250
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 3: And when he talks about dead people voting, that is

1251
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 3: the nineteen ninety seven Miami mayoral election. Where As Carl

1252
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 3: Hyasin called a manny yip and his buddies down at

1253
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 3: the cemetery who were super voters.

1254
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 2: They voted in every election since they died seven years ago,

1255
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 2: and that's how they got caught.

1256
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: Because you're like, wow, all, First of all, if I

1257
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: remember correctly, Suarez got more absentee votes than real votes

1258
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: back in a time when we weren't doing a lot

1259
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: of early voting in the late nineties.

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Speaker 3: But listen, that's like, but so the kernel of truthiness

1261
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 3: in Trump's in Trump's election fraud that election, yes, but

1262
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 3: a lot of it comes from Miami. The kernel of

1263
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 3: his emptying out the like I said, the emptying out

1264
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 3: the asylums, dead people voting, Well, you know what happened

1265
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 3: in Miami.

1266
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: WHOA be careful falling for his asylum line. You know,

1267
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: this is one of those where I'm pretty sure he

1268
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: used about what asylum is. Yes, every time he hears

1269
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: the word asylum, he doesn't understand what it means. He

1270
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: thinks it's the insane asylum. But it's a what you

1271
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: know that you seek it.

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01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 3: I think he's conflating it though, because he knows he's

1273
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 3: seen Starface, he knows.

1274
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: Did that, and you know it's Miami politics. He's seems scarface.

1275
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 3: That's what I'm what I'm saying is that it's a

1276
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 3: movie mobster. I know it's the kernel of truthiness there.

1277
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 3: You know that that begs.

1278
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 2: But I think on I you cannot and you know this,

1279
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 2: you cannot count.

1280
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 3: Joe Carollo out.

1281
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: No, somehow he could end up being mayor.

1282
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 3: He knows how to drink this better than anybody else,

1283
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 3: does Dude like, because this isn't a citywide election.

1284
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 2: This is a bulletarra election. Because we're going to have

1285
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 2: such low voter turnout that it's gonna come. It's going

1286
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 2: to be about it. There's nothing else on the ballot, right,

1287
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: I think there's a there's a couple of referendums in

1288
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: the city, but no no statewide, no county wide, no,

1289
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: you know, obviously no nation.

1290
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: This is one of those where and I know it

1291
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: got turned into Francis Soarez was trying to go another year.

1292
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 3: This was not He's not wrong.

1293
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: We actually, if you want more voters participating in this

1294
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: election should be in the even numbered year. La Mayor

1295
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: did this and they extended they had one five year

1296
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: term in order to do the same thing. It is.

1297
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: The problem is in Miami, the assumption is. You know,

1298
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: this must be a corrupt angle here.

1299
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 2: No, no, but but it was because I mean if

1300
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 2: you saw it, like all he cares about is next

1301
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 2: year is World Cup in g twenty.

1302
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: No, he wanted the tickets.

1303
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 2: He's not the mayor, then he's a relevant and this

1304
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 2: guy has zero path forward politically or diplomatically for the

1305
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 2: man he really wanted to be. He worked basically as

1306
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 2: a unregistered lobbyist for Saudi, the Saudis, and then wanted

1307
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: to be the the ambassaard you know.

1308
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: You know, he was a never trumper and he's like

1309
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: hates DeSantis for some in that, you know. And there

1310
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: was a minute that he flirted with running for governor

1311
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: as an independent for like two seconds. And then now

1312
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: he's trying to get into Trump world, you know. And

1313
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: he hired Kelly Ann I think as a consultant for

1314
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: a while there, which got him. That's when the VP

1315
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: running mate stuff got got created. Right, it was because

1316
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: he basically tried to get back into Trump world.

1317
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 3: That was a m that was a rumor that he started.

1318
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 3: It is correct, correct quite successfully.

1319
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: Mind you. All right, how are you feeling about Mario

1320
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: Cristabal these days?

1321
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:41,479
Speaker 2: Listen if Mario can't do it. Nobody can. It's over

1322
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 2: like that's interesting. I sort of agree.

1323
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: I hate admitting that, but Mario is what got all

1324
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: the investment, and you can't. And right now, that's the

1325
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: way college football works. There are forty programs that can

1326
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: play at the top level, and somehow Miami decided to

1327
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: become one of those financially and that's because of Mario

1328
01:07:58,240 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: and his friends.

1329
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 2: NCAA fucked up their own their own game, and now

1330
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 2: we're all living with the consequences of.

1331
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: It now, for better or for worse. I mean, you know,

1332
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: it's funny. I admitted this to a friend of mine

1333
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 1: the other day, which is, if if Miami weren't weren't

1334
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: able to show that it could play in this new world,

1335
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: I'd hate this and I'd be criticizing it. Right I'm

1336
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: less critical because at least we're the have because it's

1337
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 1: a we're going to the premier league. There are going

1338
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: to be forty programs that can play at this level,

1339
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: will consistently have the resources to do it, and they'll

1340
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: have another twenty programs that every once in a while

1341
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: we'll get lucky and it'll be a fun little thing

1342
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: like Wichita State in the basketball world, right every once

1343
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: in a while, or a Gonzaga and and you know,

1344
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: unless they less the Feds truly get involved, and and

1345
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, Miami is going to be a market that

1346
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: survives and a school that's a that's on the alet

1347
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: on the A team, and you have all the what's

1348
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: interesting is watching whether a Florida can do it, right,

1349
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 1: whether Florida State can do it, whether a Clemson can

1350
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: do it. And some of them aren't going to be

1351
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: able to do it.

1352
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 2: I will say that I thought that we grew out

1353
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 2: of being the team that has that senseless mid season

1354
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 2: loss that we had.

1355
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, by the way, though, I sort of ask

1356
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: me again next week because I'm going to that game.

1357
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,679
Speaker 1: My son's at SMU, so, got my daughter at Miami,

1358
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: my son at SMU, so we don't have a family

1359
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: outing to the Miami SMU game. I'll learn a lot

1360
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: about We'll learn a lot about this team to me

1361
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: in that game, because that's the game they lose the

1362
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: last five years. Right.

1363
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 2: But I think we did it to Louisville already. I think, well,

1364
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 2: that's my point. You're okay to do one that happens

1365
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 2: every season. We had this even during the heyday. I

1366
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 2: remember a game against Boston College in two thousand and

1367
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 2: one where Ed Reid saved the game, right, you know,

1368
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 2: we almost blew that game. There's always a game LI

1369
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 2: that where you either do lose or you almost lose it.

1370
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 2: We lost a stupid game at BYU one year that

1371
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 2: cost us a title, you know, So I'm not I'm okay.

1372
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: With one and this new system. At least for the

1373
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 1: ACC schools, you can survive one. You can't survive two.

1374
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: Only SEC schools get to survive too.

1375
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 3: I think I don't think there's going to be another

1376
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 3: loss this sub.

1377
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: I worry about the PIT game, and I worry about

1378
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: this the two road games SMU and PITT.

1379
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 2: I just think I hope, I hope they've learned some lessons.

1380
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 2: I hope they've made some adjustments. I hope they're going

1381
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 2: to it certainly seems from this, you know from this

1382
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 2: week's game that they are last week's game, that they're

1383
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,560
Speaker 2: going to be coaching a bit more aggressively.

1384
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 3: They're not.

1385
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: I appreciated that they ran up Mario Christabald never cares

1386
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: about covering spreads, and they they they went to score

1387
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: that touchdown. They knew that. Look, the difference between Miami

1388
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: getting a buye or not getting a buye, or getting

1389
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 1: into the tournament or not getting into the tournament might be.

1390
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: How big victory is. I mean, look what Florida State

1391
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: got left out after being undefeated, right, we know that

1392
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: the ESPN Invitational will leave teams out. Is if Alabama's

1393
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: a Notre name are available.

1394
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 2: It should have been forty to seven at the half

1395
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 2: of the Notre Dame game, like it just like like

1396
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 2: the conservative I'm hoping that.

1397
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 3: You know, we're this conservative coaching.

1398
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: It's the first half stubbornness. They stick to the game plan,

1399
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: and then God bless them now that they have all

1400
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: these advisors who basically come up with the game plan

1401
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: at halftime while the coaches are on the field. I mean,

1402
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: this is what these big time programs can afford to

1403
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: do now, and Miami's now doing that. We have an

1404
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: entire coaching staff that does nothing but scout the next

1405
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: opponent and then here's your game plan.

1406
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I listen, I saw that.

1407
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 2: And it was three of our signature wins this year

1408
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 2: were as close to meltdowns and major meltdowns as they

1409
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 2: were like Major wins.

1410
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: You ten years ago, we lose those games. Two years ago.

1411
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: We lose to Florida State. Two years ago. We might

1412
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: have blown that Florida game. At Florida Game. It was

1413
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: there Dame game, right, and and we didn't. I didn't

1414
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: Mario the Louisville game. Can't do it. In the Louisville game.

1415
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: Louisville threw everything at us in that first drive, got

1416
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: their touchdown, and basically they hung on for dear life.

1417
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: Carson Beck just tried to be a hero. If he

1418
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: doesn't try to be a hero, we win that game

1419
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: about probably with the last minute field goal.

1420
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 2: I again, if Mario can't do it. No, I think

1421
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 2: this this investment by this this school, which you and

1422
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 2: I are both extremely impressed, and.

1423
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: Because they've never done it in the past. Despite all

1424
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: the rumors about Miami and money, it was never anything

1425
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: like Alabama and A and M and l s U.

1426
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: Nobody Miami never spent like those three programs. And this

1427
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: year they are.

1428
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 2: And I think that this is this is like, this

1429
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 2: feels like the last coach of the Canes in meaning

1430
01:12:58,560 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 2: like it.

1431
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: Right, It's it's either he's our Saban and the next

1432
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson or or Miami is you know, Georgia Tech

1433
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: football at best an occasional an occasional lightning strike once

1434
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 1: a decade, but that's probably it.

1435
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 2: And all of our games are on the History Channel

1436
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 2: kind of vibe and like that. And they and they, well,

1437
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 2: they do what they did during the Shalila era, which

1438
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 2: is to kind of trade on their reputation and rest

1439
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 2: on their laurels, which they're not doing right now.

1440
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 3: They're trying to build their own reputation in a new dynasty.

1441
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm sure you feel this,

1442
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: and we're going on too long here, and I apologize,

1443
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: but Rubin Bain is the first guy that's reminded me

1444
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: of old Miami. I'm like that. That's what I'm telling

1445
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: my son, I Mike, that we always had a guy

1446
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: like Ruben Bain always, whether it was Daniel Stubbs, Kevin Fagan,

1447
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: you know, a Cortes, Kennedy, Wolf Fork sap right, we

1448
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: always had a Ruben Bain and we haven't had one

1449
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: in a while. It's nice to have one.

1450
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 2: I'd like to see that the players, you know, get

1451
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 2: coached up, play more aggressive, maybe even you know what

1452
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,560
Speaker 2: you also had in that era, was you had players

1453
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 2: who were calling audibles, who were changing the play on

1454
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 2: the field. It didn't matter what they said on the sideline,

1455
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 2: if they were reading E fense differently, if they were

1456
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 2: you know, if they had something else, some other scheme

1457
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 2: in mind, like and I know that gets you benched

1458
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 2: these days in this big time college football game. But

1459
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 2: that that was the It was the what was that

1460
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 2: great line from one of the U documentaries. It was

1461
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 2: the first the U documentary when Dennis Erickson came in,

1462
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 2: I think Jerome Brown or somebody went to him and said,

1463
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 2: you've just been handed the keys to a Ferrari, like

1464
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 2: just you know, just you know, like this is not

1465
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 2: something you have to worry about, like.

1466
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 3: Just if a perfectly oiled machine. Just don't fuck it up, dude.

1467
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 1: And by the way, he kind of he won two titles.

1468
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: Can't say he messed it up. He didn't leave us

1469
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: in the best of shape.

1470
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 2: No, listen, I mean that's sort of that's the sort

1471
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 2: of semi absentee coaching style, letting the assistance and the

1472
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 2: and the lunatics run the asylum got them and some jewelry, man,

1473
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:01,759
Speaker 2: I mean.

1474
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: Yes, it did and it got them in a couple

1475
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: of NFL coaching gigs to boot. I like the siren,

1476
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 1: by the way, I like that. We I rarely like

1477
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 1: trying to start a tradition that never existed. Don't hate it.

1478
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: I think the Sirens are pretty good new tradition.

1479
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 3: I also love that, like Michael Irvin is it every

1480
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 3: game is hit every game.

1481
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 1: So my daughter's a little She's like, what does he

1482
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: do for the university? And I'm like, she goes because

1483
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: he's every He's at every game and you know, she's

1484
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: part of homecoming. And she's like, and then, so have

1485
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: you ever been to a Cowboys game?

1486
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 3: No?

1487
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: This is a little disturbing. So I went to a

1488
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: Packers Cowboys game a couple of weeks ago and Michael

1489
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: Irvin the you know that, you go to a Miami

1490
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: game and before the fourth quarter, right, they blair the

1491
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin.

1492
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 4: Raw Ross speech to get you fired up. It's a

1493
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 4: fourth quarter, it's green tree, right, all this stuff. He

1494
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,759
Speaker 4: does the same thing for the Cowboys for their fourth quarter.

1495
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 4: And I'm like, and I tape it and I send it.

1496
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 4: You know, I record it. Listen to me.

1497
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm an old guy, right, I tape it, I record

1498
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: it and send it to my daughter and she went,

1499
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: so he does he just do this for every team,

1500
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, every team he played for. But

1501
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 1: it's literally the same stick that he does for Miami,

1502
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 1: that he that he does for Jerry and the Cowboys.

1503
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it, and I love that.

1504
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 2: I mean he's like Sebastian and Michael Irvin. I mean

1505
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 2: like they are are, like he is our mascot.

1506
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 1: I love it. I think some of I think Malachai

1507
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: Tony's probably had to google Who's Michael Irvin? I mean, like,

1508
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: I you know, it's been that long.

1509
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 3: These kid Yeah, these kids were eighteen nineteen years old.

1510
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: Right he was, he had already he literally he was

1511
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame when they were born.

1512
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 2: Dude, two thousand and two was the last time this

1513
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 2: team won a national championship. I mean there are people

1514
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 2: on this team who were not born yet. I mean

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01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: not born, not alive.

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01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: We may live in the past, but they weren't even

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01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 1: there for the past anyway.

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01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: The doc if you want to see the preview to

1520
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's New War with Venezuela, Billy Corbyn already did it.

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01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 3: Cocaines.

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01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 1: All right, my man, good to talk with you. Thank you.

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01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 3: Sorry I stepped on your plug at the end.

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01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 1: There, No, it's your plug. Men of war. I know

1525
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: everywhere everywhere you want to get you know, do you

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01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: have a it's you can stream it everywhere? What Amazon? Apple?

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01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, everywhere, I mean direct TV, anywhere you rent

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01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 3: or buy or stream movies.

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01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: Very nice, very nice. Well go say it. It's it's

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01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: worth it's worth the money, it's worth your time, worth

1531
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 1: the rental ownership I assume you do. What what is

1532
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 1: the difference in your finances between rental and owning?

1533
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 3: Nothing?

1534
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: Zero?

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01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 4: Uh?

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01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the the Yeah, it's because Neon is distributing so

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01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 2: what No, I don't know if there's any trick down.

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01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't help you either way.

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01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 2: Renting it just seeing is what I would I would

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01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 2: love for people to see it. I think it's I

1541
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 2: think it's some I think we did. I think I

1542
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 2: think it turned out very well. You know some of

1543
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 2: these things to do with.

1544
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: Some of them, and as anything, would you do it?

1545
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, it's even more relevant now

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01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: that's my point. It's even more relevant now. All right,

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Speaker 1: my friend, thank you, Thanks so much,